Re: choice of web browsers

[songbird]

riveravaldez wrote:
...
> $ dpigs -n2 -SH
> 287.7M linux-signed-amd64
> 195.4M firefox-esr
>
> ;)


  things be different at this machine:

$ dpigs -n8 -SH
 499.3M linux
 359.6M golang-1.16
 357.8M linux-signed-amd64
 325.8M libreoffice
 292.4M qemu
 273.7M rustc
 213.1M python3.9
 203.5M firefox


  songbird

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Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs?

[Linux-Fan]

kaye n writes:


SORRY I SHOULD HAVE SENT IT TO DEBIAN LIST


Never mind, I am taking this as an OK to post my answer to the list :)


On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 9:16 PM kaye n  wrote:


   On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 10:35 PM Linux-Fan  wrote:


[...]


 I'd suggest to try debugging _why_ Firefox has become so much slower as
 per 
 the upgrade. It is unlikely that it is the new Firefox version being
 slower 
 than the old ones (although it may be possible). What I'd rather guess
 is 
 that something different changed in the system which now causes it to
 run 
 slower.

 What GPU are you using? How is the RAM load during the slow phases? Can
 you 
 close invidual tabs to stop the slowness i.e. can you make out that the
 high 
 load is caused by a specific website or a specific type of website. It


[...]


    What GPU are you using?
     Device-1: Intel 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel
     Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: loaded: intel
     unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
     OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945G v: 1.4 Mesa 20.3.5

   Can you  close invidual tabs to stop the slowness
   Almost always no.


Actually, this looks pretty OK to me. I conclude that it is most likely not  
to be a GPU-related issue, although I do not know what else might be causing  
the slowness. Others suggested to check the CPU load with `htop`. This might  
indeed be a good next thing to try?


HTH
Linux-Fan

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Re: Getting Bullseye's VLC to read/play H265 videos

[Intense Red]

On Sunday, October 31, 2021 2:34:57 PM CDT Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> If VLC is not hard requirement then you can try SMPlayer/mpv or mpv only.

   Thanks! Both smplayer and mpv will play the videos.

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Re: Man pages for gcc

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2021 31 Oct 16:27 -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
 
> The info command is what you want for gcc. You may need to install the
> package for gcc info files. Another set of commands you might need info
> files for are coreutils. Try "info coreutils".

While info is probably installed, a much better user experience is the
'pinfo' package since it uses Lynx like motion and color highlighting
for hyperlinks.

- Nate

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Re: Man pages for gcc

[Dan Ritter]

Paul M. Foster wrote: 
> Folks:
> 
> I'm sure everyone but me knows this, but I can't find a man page for gcc.
> There must be some docs somewhere. First question: why isn't there a man
> page? Second question: what docs are available (or what package provides
> them)? Running Debian 11.

gcc-doc has the man pages; they are in non-free.

Yes, it's ironic.

-dsr-

Re: [Hors Sujet] calcul d'un couple maxi transmis en mécanique des solides (Rpg)

[didier gaumet]

Le dimanche 31 octobre 2021 à 19:19 +0100, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :
> Bonjour,
>
>  Je recherche la valeur maxi (Rpg) d'un couple à transmettre
>  sur un axe en acier de diamètre 15 mm ...
[...]

Je n'ai parcouru ça qu'en diagonale, il y a une formule de détermination 
du couple maxi dans ce document page 33 (arbre acier plein de diamètre 
constant):

http://www.ingveh.ulg.ac.be/uploads/education/MECA-0444/04_MECA0444-ArbresI.pdf

Re: Man pages for gcc

[Nicholas Geovanis]

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 4:07 PM Paul M. Foster 
wrote:

> Folks:
>
> I'm sure everyone but me knows this, but I can't find a man page for
> gcc. There must be some docs somewhere. First question: why isn't there
> a man page? Second question: what docs are available (or what package
> provides them)? Running Debian 11.
>

The info command is what you want for gcc. You may need to install the
package for gcc info files. Another set of commands you might need info
files for are coreutils. Try "info coreutils".

These are Gnu/FSF projects and handled a bit differently. I think you'll
also want the gcc book available at the Gnu gcc site.

Paul
>
>
>

Re: Man pages for gcc

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 04:58:34PM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> I'm sure everyone but me knows this, but I can't find a man page for gcc.
> There must be some docs somewhere. First question: why isn't there a man
> page? Second question: what docs are available (or what package provides
> them)? Running Debian 11.

The documentation for gcc is in a separate package, in the non-free
section.

unicorn:~$ apt-cache show gcc-doc
Package: gcc-doc
Source: gcc-doc-defaults (5:21)
Version: 5:10.1.0-1
[...]
Depends: gcc-10-doc (>= 10.1.0-1~)
[...]
Section: contrib/doc

unicorn:~$ apt-cache show gcc-10-doc
[...]
Section: non-free/doc


This is because GNU releases their documentation under a different license
than their source code.  And Debian considers the GNU documentation
license to be non-free (rightly so, because it prohibits distributing
modified versions).

Re: Getting Bullseye's VLC to read/play H265 videos

[Chris Ramsden]

On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 12:58 -0500, Intense Red wrote:
> > Works out of the box on mine. Played H265 4K no problem. What is the
> > error you're getting?
> 
>VLC doesn't give an error, it just endlessly tries loading and reloading 
> the file (a video from a security camera).
> 
>I'm guessing it's some oddity in the file format produced by the cheap 
> Chinese security camera. Purportedly ffmpeg can convert the file to another 
> more 
> common format; that's my next step to deal with the issue.
> 
> > > "I have various h265 CODECS installed" 
> > VLC does not require any codecs to work, what do you mean by that?
> 
>That was me foolishly installing various CODECs in the hope it might help. 
> :-(⠀⠀
> 
> 
I had a similar issues with a camera and its H264 files. The fix I
found was to make sure the camera was set to CBR not VBR (constant vs
variable bit rate). 
-- 
Chris

Man pages for gcc

[Paul M. Foster]

Folks:

I'm sure everyone but me knows this, but I can't find a man page for 
gcc. There must be some docs somewhere. First question: why isn't there 
a man page? Second question: what docs are available (or what package 
provides them)? Running Debian 11.


Paul

Re: Getting Bullseye's VLC to read/play H265 videos

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 10/31/21 19:58, Intense Red wrote:
>> Works out of the box on mine. Played H265 4K no problem. What is the
>> error you're getting?
> 
>VLC doesn't give an error, it just endlessly tries loading and reloading 
> the file (a video from a security camera).
> 
>I'm guessing it's some oddity in the file format produced by the cheap 
> Chinese security camera. Purportedly ffmpeg can convert the file to another 
> more 
> common format; that's my next step to deal with the issue.
> 

If VLC is not hard requirement then you can try SMPlayer/mpv or mpv only.

Kind regards
Georgi

[Hors Sujet] calcul d'un couple maxi transmis en mécanique des solides (Rpg)

[Bernard Schoenacker]

Bonjour,

 Je recherche la valeur maxi (Rpg) d'un couple à transmettre 
 sur un axe en acier de diamètre 15 mm ...

En effet, il me faut trouver une solution pour éviter de
casser un arbre qui sert de support pour un rouleau
monté sur un laminoir à pizza ...

La poulie crantée est également à revoir ...

Choix du coupleur :

https://www.rw-france.fr/produits/accouplements-de-precision/limiteurs-de-couple/skp/

version choisie : skp 30

Merci pour votre aimable attention

bien à toi

Bernard

Re: Getting Bullseye's VLC to read/play H265 videos

[Intense Red]

> Works out of the box on mine. Played H265 4K no problem. What is the
> error you're getting?

   VLC doesn't give an error, it just endlessly tries loading and reloading 
the file (a video from a security camera).

   I'm guessing it's some oddity in the file format produced by the cheap 
Chinese security camera. Purportedly ffmpeg can convert the file to another 
more 
common format; that's my next step to deal with the issue.

>> "I have various h265 CODECS installed" 
> VLC does not require any codecs to work, what do you mean by that?

   That was me foolishly installing various CODECs in the hope it might help. 
:-(⠀⠀


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socialist government in Chile, and the establishment of a fascist dictatorship 
there which filled soccer stadiums with victims and murdered tens of thousands 
of Chileans.

Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs?

[piorunz]

On 31/10/2021 13:22, kaye n wrote:

This currentLXQT /  Firefox slowing down computer issue is currently on
the old desktop computer, which has access to good wifi speed.
RAM of this desktop computer is 3GB only.
I'm running an installed 11 system, not a live USB stick.
Thank you.


Please show screenshot of "htop" command running in the terminal. Let's
see if this problem you are experiencing is caused by LXQT (as you
assumed) or by inadequate hardware (my guess).

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Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs?

[kaye n]

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 10:49 PM David Wright 
wrote:

> On Fri 29 Oct 2021 at 20:59:06 (+0800), kaye n wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 8:52 PM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 08:22:15PM +0800, kaye n wrote:
> > > > LXQT says,
> > > >
> > > > It will not get in your way. It will not hang or slow down your
> system.
> > > >
> > > > However, I've experienced the opposite, especially when I'm using
> Firefox
> > > > browser and attempt to open several pages in different tabs.
> > >
> > > I think Firefox may actually be the problem: it _is_ memory hungry.
> > > The Web is getting heavier and more memory hungry in general - maybe
> > > open one or two pages and see how much faster it is.
> > >
> > > > I don't think the problem lies with Firefox though because I didn't
> have
> > > > that problem on Debian 10 XFCE.  I am now running Debian 11 LXQT.
> > > >
> > > > I don't want to use XFCE again just because I want to try another.
> > > >
> > > > Could LXDE be better?  Is there a way I can install LXDE to my
> existing
> > > > Debian 11 running LXQT?  Or should I just fresh install Debian 11
> with
> > > LXDE
> > > > as the default desktop environment?
> > > >
> > > You could purge LXQT and install LXDE - using tasksel as root/root
> > > equivalent.
> > >
> > > YOu could just add LXDE to what you already have: they share some
> > > libraries,
> > > I think, and then switch between them. Again, use tasksel to just add
> > > it.
> > >
> > Maybe you're right about Firefox.  Any "light" browsers you can
> recommend?
>
> Sorry, just trying to catch up here. Can we assume your internet
> connection is running at better than 670kbps since Sep29?
> And can you remind us whether your current problem is on the old
> desktop or the 10-yr old laptop. I recall some specs for the former
> (was there a typo — 10GHz?) but how much memory do they each have?
> And are you running an installed 11 system, or a live USB stick?
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>

This currentLXQT /  Firefox slowing down computer issue is currently on the
old desktop computer, which has access to good wifi speed.
RAM of this desktop computer is 3GB only.
I'm running an installed 11 system, not a live USB stick.
Thank you.

Re: (deb-cat) Configurar frequencia de refresc de PackageKitD

[Narcis Garcia]

Bon dia,

Jo trobo opcions d'aquesta mena amb l'aplicació «Software & Updates» 
(software-properties-gtk) on tinc aquestes opcions seleccionades a la 
seva solapa «Updates»:

Automatically check for updates: Never

No trobo on es desen aquests valors.

Si faig servir el camí que em dius dels paràmetres del Gnome, vaig a 
parar al catàleg de «Programari» (gnome-software) el qual té un botó de 
menú amb l'opció «Preferències d'actualització»
Allà només tinc seleccionable «Actualitzacións automàtiques» [Sí/No] i 
«Notificacions de les act.autom.» [Sí/No]


Tampoc no trobo on es desen els canvis d'aquest quadre.
Ni em fa efecte.


Narcis Garcia

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masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator 
should fix this against automated addresses collectors.

El 29/10/21 a les 18:00, Vicen Rodriguez ha escrit:

Bon dia, Narcís:

Crec que l'opció que cerques és a les preferències:

https://packagekit.freedesktop.org/img/gpk-prefs.png 



Entenc que es tractaria de canviar la frequència a cada quinze dies.

En el meu cas, veig que puc fer-ho anant a Configuració de Gmome, 'Quant 
a -> Actualitzacions de programari -> "Menú de la part superior dreta" 
-> Repositoris de programari -> Updates -> Automatically check for 
updates: Cada dos setmanes".


Salut,

Vicen


El jue, 28-10-2021 a las 09:33 +0200, Narcis Garcia escribió:

Bon dia,

Tinc instal·lat el gnome-software , el qual depen de packagekit, un
programari intermediari entre les eines comunes d'usuari i el sistema de
paquets, en el cas de Debian, APT.
PackageKit habilita un servei permanent que de tant en tant actualitza
el catàleg de programari, i permet a les eines d'escriptori avisar que
hi ha actualitzacions disponibles.

El cas és que això pasa massa sovint per a mi: Quasi cada dia veig
l'avís en pantalla de nous paquets actualitzables, i m'agradaria que ho
fes només cada quinze dies o un mes.
He cercat i no he trobat res aplicable: Algú sap com es reconfigura la
freqüència amb la qual packagekitd es refresca els repositoris?

Gràcies.

Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs?

[piorunz]

On 29/10/2021 13:56, kaye n wrote:

For example when I'm using Firefox and I have about 10 to 12 websites
opened in different tabs

First tab is google, second is ebay, third is amazon, third is youtube, etc.

That's when things get real slow.

I have the CPU Monitor widget on the taskbar. It goes up to almost 100.
I see that when the system slows down or hangs.


Please show screenshot of "htop" command running in the terminal.

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Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs?

[piorunz]

On 29/10/2021 14:57, Eric S Fraga wrote:

My experience is that Firefox, if you open too many tabs and especially
some of the very javascript heavy ones, gets bogged down quite severely
and requires restarting.  It can slow the whole system down in my
experience.


Nah. Problem is your computer, not Firefox. Probably it's just too slow,
or you have bad hard drive or memory. I use Firefox with 50 tabs and
multiple profiles opened, Firefox total memory consumption is over 10GB
sometimes. Everything works perfectly, Firefox never let me down. But I
have plenty of RAM and decent CPU.

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Re: WiFi card not supported

[didier gaumet]

Le samedi 30 octobre 2021 à 21:35 +0300, slady...@dir.bg a écrit :
> Hello, I got a new laptop and my WiFi card is not discovered. 
> This fixed it for me but it's inconvenient to make it every time I
> update kernel : https://github.com/lwfinger/rtw89 , please add the
> drivers in the kernel or in the packages. Thank you.

Hello,

to automate the building of your wireless card module at every kernel
update; please use DKMS:
https://wiki.debian.org/KernelDKMS