Re: Fichier .bimx

2021-12-03 Thread Georges


Le Fri, 3 Dec 2021 21:20:17 +0100 (CET),

BS a écrit :

> 
> 
> - Mail original -
> > De: "Georges" 
> > À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> > Envoyé: Vendredi 3 Décembre 2021 20:49:39
> > Objet: Re: Fichier .bimx
> > 
> > Le Fri, 3 Dec 2021 18:35:55 +0100 (CET),
> > 
> > BS a écrit :
> > 
> > 
> >  Grand merci pour cette réponse, je vais essayer la visionneuse.
> >  J'ai moi aussi cherché un logiciel libre mais pas trouvé.
> > 
> >  Georges
> > 
> Bonjour Georges,
> 
> Pour tout ce qui est CAD, je suis nul au niveau de la pratique
> mais j'ai gardé un certain contact auprès d'une charmante 
> dame qui est en Allemagne : Freeze Verlag 
> 
> liens pour les logiciels 3d sous linux :
> 
> https://www.bricsys.com/en-eu/
> 
> http://212.58.84.53/site/arcad/lxcad/
> 
> https://alternativeto.net/software/gcad3d/about/
> 
> http://sagcad.osdn.jp/
> 
> https://www.gcad3d.org/
> 
> https://www.selfcad.com/
> 
> https://alternativeto.net/software/ares-commander/about/
> 
> 
> Merci
> 
> @+
> 
> Bernard

 Merci pour ces liens. J'ai tout regardé mais pour .bimx c'est
 impossible de trouver un "visionneur". Je le regarderai un jour sur le
 matériel d'un utilisateur de ce format.
Merci  Georges 



Re: Status of Bookworm

2021-12-03 Thread Keith Bainbridge

On 4/12/21 13:03, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 12:30:52PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote:

netinst is cli only

... what?  NO!


try

sudo tasksel

and choose desktop options.  xfce is listed

The netinst image contains the same installer as the full DVD-1 image
does.


Good afternoon

I tried a netinst using

487M Sep 30 07:22 firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
in vbox

I chose the standard install (2nd option, rather than graphic install) 
and tasksel started after the .iso software updated.


So maybe Kenneth's problem was no network connection.   BUT that should 
have been reported during the install.


Looks like my claim that netinst is cli was from the times I didn't run 
tasksel.  Sorry.



--
All the best

Keith Bainbridge

keithrbaugro...@gmail.com



Re: Status of Bookworm

2021-12-03 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:25 PM Kenneth Parker  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:33 PM Kenneth Parker  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:03 PM Greg Wooledge  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 12:30:52PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
>>> > netinst is cli only
>>>
>>> ... what?  NO!
>>>
>>> > try
>>> >
>>> > sudo tasksel
>>> >
>>> > and choose desktop options.  xfce is listed
>>>
>>> The netinst image contains the same installer as the full DVD-1 image
>>> does.
>>>
>>> The task selection menu that you get at the end of an installation
>>> is the same, whether you use netinst or DVD-1.  It makes no difference.
>>> You can still install a Desktop Environment, or not, as you choose.
>>>
>>
>> This may be User Error (as I am capable of making), but I did not notice
>> the usual offer to use Network Mirrors to provide Graphical Environments.
>>
>
> This bugged me, so I blew away a separate Bullseye Minimal vm, so I could
> try that Testing version of netinst again.
>
> I   *did*   make a User error. I somehow failed to get packages from the
> Network the first try.  Now, I am happily installing Bookworm on a second,
> Virtual Machine.
>

The miracle of virtualization :-)
It doesn't keep you from making mistakes. Instead it helps you make them
faster than you could ever imagine before :-)


> Careful what options you choose.
>
> Kenneth Parker
>
>>


Re: Status of Bookworm

2021-12-03 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:33 PM Kenneth Parker  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:03 PM Greg Wooledge  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 12:30:52PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
>> > netinst is cli only
>>
>> ... what?  NO!
>>
>> > try
>> >
>> > sudo tasksel
>> >
>> > and choose desktop options.  xfce is listed
>>
>> The netinst image contains the same installer as the full DVD-1 image
>> does.
>>
>> The task selection menu that you get at the end of an installation
>> is the same, whether you use netinst or DVD-1.  It makes no difference.
>> You can still install a Desktop Environment, or not, as you choose.
>>
>
> This may be User Error (as I am capable of making), but I did not notice
> the usual offer to use Network Mirrors to provide Graphical Environments.
>

This bugged me, so I blew away a separate Bullseye Minimal vm, so I could
try that Testing version of netinst again.

I   *did*   make a User error. I somehow failed to get packages from the
Network the first try.  Now, I am happily installing Bookworm on a second,
Virtual Machine.  I am refreshing my memory of what lxde will look like.

Careful what options you choose.

Kenneth Parker

>


Re: Status of Bookworm

2021-12-03 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:03 PM Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 12:30:52PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> > netinst is cli only
>
> ... what?  NO!
>
> > try
> >
> > sudo tasksel
> >
> > and choose desktop options.  xfce is listed
>
> The netinst image contains the same installer as the full DVD-1 image
> does.
>
> The task selection menu that you get at the end of an installation
> is the same, whether you use netinst or DVD-1.  It makes no difference.
> You can still install a Desktop Environment, or not, as you choose.
>

This may be User Error (as I am capable of making), but I did not notice
the usual offer to use Network Mirrors to provide Graphical Environments.

It acted, as if it was the entire source for the System Packages.  (Same as
if installing Bullseye from netinst without a network).

However, I had answered the earlier questions, about my Ethernet Network.
So it could have found packages that way.


The only difference is the number of packages contained on the
> installation medium.  With a DVD-1 installer, in theory, if conditions
> are ideal, most of the packages you select for installation will come
> from the DVD (or USB thingy if you're using one of those), instead of
> needing to be downloaded.
>
> (In practice, any packages that have received updates since the
> installation image was created will still need to be downloaded.  This
> can greatly reduce the usefulness of a DVD-1 image over time.)
>
> That said, if you want to add new tasks to your system after the
> installation has completed, your command is valid.  You can use
> "sudo tasksel" to get back to the task selection program that you used
> during the netinst, or during the DVD-1, installation.
>
> You could also use "apt install task-whatever" if you know the name of
> the metapackage that you want.


Anyway, as I stated above, I installed Bookworm from DVD-1 and am now
staring at Bookworm's Xfce4 desktop.

Thank you, Greg


Re: Status of Bookworm

2021-12-03 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 8:48 PM Keith Bainbridge  wrote:

> Good morning Kenneth
>
> netinst is cli only
>
> try
>
> sudo tasksel
>
> and choose desktop options.  xfce is listed
>

Actually, I went in a different direction:  Reformatted the qemu vm,
downloaded the Bookworm DVD-1, and am installing now.  As you state, Xfce
is definitely supported.

In other words, I answered my own question.  :-)

Thank you, Keith.

Kenneth Parker

On 4/12/21 10:44, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > When reading about changes to Bookworm (i.e. Enforcement of usrmerge), I
> > figured that it is worth a qemu Install.  So I downloaded the current
> > Testing netinst cd and selected Expert Install.
> >
> > The reason for this email is that it does not give any Graphical Desktop
> > options.   (I am partial to Xfce, but fluent in the Command Line).
> >
> > Should I wait?  (I am not ready to delve into sid, by the way).
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Kenneth Parker
>
>


Re: Status of Bookworm

2021-12-03 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 12:30:52PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> netinst is cli only

... what?  NO!

> try
> 
> sudo tasksel
> 
> and choose desktop options.  xfce is listed

The netinst image contains the same installer as the full DVD-1 image
does.

The task selection menu that you get at the end of an installation
is the same, whether you use netinst or DVD-1.  It makes no difference.
You can still install a Desktop Environment, or not, as you choose.

The only difference is the number of packages contained on the
installation medium.  With a DVD-1 installer, in theory, if conditions
are ideal, most of the packages you select for installation will come
from the DVD (or USB thingy if you're using one of those), instead of
needing to be downloaded.

(In practice, any packages that have received updates since the
installation image was created will still need to be downloaded.  This
can greatly reduce the usefulness of a DVD-1 image over time.)

That said, if you want to add new tasks to your system after the
installation has completed, your command is valid.  You can use
"sudo tasksel" to get back to the task selection program that you used
during the netinst, or during the DVD-1, installation.

You could also use "apt install task-whatever" if you know the name of
the metapackage that you want.



Re: Status of Bookworm

2021-12-03 Thread Keith Bainbridge

Good morning Kenneth

netinst is cli only

try

sudo tasksel

and choose desktop options.  xfce is listed

All the best

Keith Bainbridge

keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com
0447 667 468

On 4/12/21 10:44, Kenneth Parker wrote:
When reading about changes to Bookworm (i.e. Enforcement of usrmerge), I 
figured that it is worth a qemu Install.  So I downloaded the current 
Testing netinst cd and selected Expert Install.


The reason for this email is that it does not give any Graphical Desktop 
options.   (I am partial to Xfce, but fluent in the Command Line).


Should I wait?  (I am not ready to delve into sid, by the way).

Thanks!

Kenneth Parker




Status of Bookworm

2021-12-03 Thread Kenneth Parker
When reading about changes to Bookworm (i.e. Enforcement of usrmerge), I
figured that it is worth a qemu Install.  So I downloaded the current
Testing netinst cd and selected Expert Install.

The reason for this email is that it does not give any Graphical Desktop
options.   (I am partial to Xfce, but fluent in the Command Line).

Should I wait?  (I am not ready to delve into sid, by the way).

Thanks!

Kenneth Parker


Re: stability level of testing

2021-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 14:10:44 +0100
daggs  wrote:

> I cannot afford such setup

How much is your time worth?

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/



Re: Installer GIMP 2.10.28

2021-12-03 Thread Jean-Pierre Giraud




Le 03/12/2021 à 19:16, MERLIN Philippe a écrit :

Le vendredi 3 décembre 2021, 18:59:06 CET ajh-valmer a écrit :

Hello,

Je suis sous Buster, avec la version Gimp 2.10.8
Je souhaite passer à la version  2.10.28.
Sur le site de gimp il faut installer "flatpak", ce que j'ai fait.
Après, je ne comprends pas comment installer Gimp avec "flatpak",
quel est cet outil ?


Tu peux regarder les informations sur le paquet

https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/flatpak

Puis lire cette page pas encore traduite en français pour savoir comment 
l'utiliser :


https://wiki.debian.org/FlatPak

Amicalement,
Jean-Pierre Giraud




Je lis :
Flatpak est un système de virtualisation d’application pour les
distributions GNU/Linux de bureau. Quel rapport avec Gimp ?

Sinon, il y a un paquet "the-gimp_2-10-28_fr_214450.tar.bz2",
téléchargé sur le site clubic.

Quel choix adopter, et faut-il avant supprimer Gimp 2.10.8 complètement ?

Merci de votre éclairage, bonne soirée.

A. Valmer

Plus simple la version  Gimp 2.10.28-1 est disponible en SID (unstable)
Amitiés.
Philippe Merlin







Re: Installer GIMP 2.10.28

2021-12-03 Thread ajh-valmer
On Friday 03 December 2021 20:43:32 Bernard Schoenacker wrote

Pourquoi me répondre par 3 mails identiques ?
(un me suffit, et surtout vu les réponses).

> J'ai bien l'impression de réaliser une prestation de service avec
> une rémunération gratis pro deo :

Heureusement que j'ai pas payé ante service.

> Merci de bien vouloir relire ce que j'ai donné et réfléchir...
> dpkg -l |awk '/gimp/ {print $2,$3}' :
gimp 2.10.8-2
gimp-data 2.10.8-2
gimp-gmic 2.4.5-1
gimp-help-common 2.8.2-1
gimp-help-fr 2.8.2-1
gimp-plugin-registry 9.20180625
gimp-python 2.10.8-2
libgimp2.0 2.10.8-2
Voilà et ensuite... ?

Je pense que Gimp-2.10.28 n'est pas compatible avec Buster.

> "Le comportement consumériste et asymétrique ne me sied guère" :
Ça ne veut strictement rien dire, si tu appartiens au parti du polichinellisme,
pas moi.



Re: Fichier .bimx

2021-12-03 Thread Georges


Le Fri, 3 Dec 2021 18:35:55 +0100 (CET),

BS a écrit :

> 
> 
> - Mail original -
> > De: "Georges" 
> > À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> > Envoyé: Vendredi 3 Décembre 2021 18:19:00
> > Objet: Fichier .bimx
> > 
> > Bonjour,
> > 
> >  J'ai besoin d'ouvrir un fichier .bimx avec Linux/Debian bullseye ou
> >  bookworm.
> >  Une suggestion ?  Merci d'avance
> > 
> >Georges
> > 
> 
> Bonjour Georges,
> 
> J'ai fait quelques recherches dans la jungle des extensions de type
> mime et voici ce qu'il en ressort :
> 
> -a) format propriétaire fermé et non documenté
> -b) utiliser la visionneuse présente en en ligne sur le site de
> l'éditeur -c) réaliser des captures d'écran pour obtenir l'aperçu 
> 
> Merci pour ton aimable attention
> 
> Bien à toi
> 
> Bernard

 Grand merci pour cette réponse, je vais essayer la visionneuse.
 J'ai moi aussi cherché un logiciel libre mais pas trouvé.

 Georges



telegram-desktop backports request

2021-12-03 Thread piorunz

Hi all,

I am using telegram-desktop 2.9.2 from bullseye-backports, original
bullseye version is 2.6.1, as shown:

$ apt-cache policy telegram-desktop
telegram-desktop:
  Installed: 2.9.2+ds-1~bpo11+1
  Candidate: 2.9.2+ds-1~bpo11+1
  Version table:
 *** 2.9.2+ds-1~bpo11+1 100
100 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports/main amd64
Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 2.6.1+ds-1+deb11u1 500
500 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages

Telegram now shows warning:
"Please update your app to the latest version. The version you are using
is out of date and will stop working soon."

2.9.2 will be cut off from service soon. We need to update to something
newer.

I'd like to request please, that bullseye-backports package newer
version of telegram-desktop please. Here's versions available:
https://packages.qa.debian.org/t/telegram-desktop.html

Testing has got 3.1.1. I hope bullseye-backports can update it? CC to
maintainer, Nicholas Guriev! Thanks in advance.

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
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Re: Installer GIMP 2.10.28

2021-12-03 Thread Bernard Schoenacker



- Mail original -
> De: "ajh-valmer" 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Vendredi 3 Décembre 2021 20:11:36
> Objet: Re: Installer GIMP 2.10.28
> 
> gimp, gimp-data, gimp-gmic, gimp-help-common, gimp-help-fr,
> gimp-plugin-registry
> gimp-python, libgimp2.0
> Ces infos ne donnent pas ma version de Gimp.
> 
> 
> n'affiche rien.
> 
> Je désire installer gimp 2.10.28 (si c'est possible sous Buster).
> 


bonjour,

dpkg -l |awk '/gimp/ {print $2,$3}'

J'ai bien l'impression de réaliser une prestation de service avec
une rémunération gratis pro deo 

Merci de bien vouloir relire ce que j'ai donné et réfléchir ...

Le comportement consumériste et asymétrique ne me sied guère 

Bien à toi

Bernard



Re: Double boot (Windows & Debian) with UEFI mode

2021-12-03 Thread David Wright
On Fri 03 Dec 2021 at 12:22:45 (+0100), fran...@libero.it wrote:

> I was unable to install Grub. Via ‘rescue mode’ of installation cd, it 
> doesn't make me do it; takes me to the partitioning window. Then I did a 
> reboot which gave me a screenshot
> error: file ‘/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod’ not found.
> 
> On:
> 
> grub rescue>ls 
> (hd0) (hd0,gpt8) (hd0,gpt7) (hd0,gpt6) (hd0,gpt5) (hd0,gpt4) (hd0,gpt3) 
> (hd0,gpt2) (hd0,gpt1)
> 
> By giving ls command to each partition only (hd0,gpt6) and (hd0,gpt8) are 
> given as ext2 filesystem (the other as ‘unknown’ filesystem)
> Then, to know more, I gave the following commands:
> 
> grub rescue> ls (hd0,gpt6)/
> ./ ../ lost+found/ home/ etc/ media/ vmlinuz.old var/ bin usr/ sbin lib lib32 
> lib64 libx32 boot/ dev/ proc/ root/ run/ sys/ tmp/ mnt/ srv/ apt/ 
> debootstrap/ initrd.img.old vmlinuz initrd.img
> 
> grub rescue> ls (hd0,gpt6)/boot
> ./ ../ config-5.10.0-9-amd64 vmlinuz-5.10.0-9-amd64 efi/ 
> System.map-5.10.0-9-amd64 initrd.img-5.10.0-9-amd64
> 
> Now I don't know how I can do to continue and if this datas can be useful to 
> solve

I think you should be able to boot linux directly
by typing (I haven't tried this):

grub> search --set=root --file /vmlinuz
grub> echo $root  ought to reply (hd0,gpt6)

grub> linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda6 ro quiet

grub> initrd /initrd.img

grub> boot

When the system is up and running, check and/or reinstall grub with:

# grub-install /dev/sda

You could then satisfy our curiosity by typing:

# ls /sys/firmware/efi

but you could also, having installed grub, check the
contents listed by:

# ls -lR /boot/efi/

It should look something like below, but with extra windows stuff.
The file /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grub.cfg should contain something
like:

 search.fs_uuid 12345678-abcd-9876-5432-abcdef123456 root hd0,gpt6 
 set prefix=($root)'/boot/grub'
 configfile $prefix/grub.cfg

The listing:

/boot/efi:
total 1
drwx-- 3 512 May 19  2021 EFI

/boot/efi/EFI:
total 1
drwx-- 2 512 May 19  2021 debian

/boot/efi/EFI/debian:
total 3328
-rwx-- 1 108 Jul 29 15:33 BOOTX64.CSV
-rwx-- 1   84176 Jul 29 15:33 fbx64.efi
-rwx-- 1 126 Jul 29 15:33 grub.cfg
-rwx-- 1 1549696 Jul 29 15:33 grubx64.efi
-rwx-- 1  842104 Jul 29 15:33 mmx64.efi
-rwx-- 1  930016 Jul 29 15:33 shimx64.efi

Cheers,
David.



Re: Installer GIMP 2.10.28

2021-12-03 Thread ajh-valmer
On Friday 03 December 2021 19:49:09 Bernard Schoenacker wrote:

> > Comment installer la version Gimp 2.10.28-1 disponible en SID,
> > si je suis sous Buster ?

> dpkg -l |awk '/gimp/ {print $2}' :
gimp, gimp-data, gimp-gmic, gimp-help-common, gimp-help-fr, gimp-plugin-registry
gimp-python, libgimp2.0
Ces infos ne donnent pas ma version de Gimp.

> apt-cache show $(dpkg -l |awk '/gimp/ {print $2}')|grep File |grep 2.10.28 :
n'affiche rien.

Je désire installer gimp 2.10.28 (si c'est possible sous Buster).



Re: Double boot (Windows & Debian) with UEFI mode

2021-12-03 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 12:22:45PM +0100, fran...@libero.it wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I was unable to install Grub. Via ‘rescue mode’ of installation cd, it 
> doesn't make me do it; takes me to the partitioning window. Then I did a 
> reboot which gave me a screenshot
> error: file ‘/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod’ not found.
> 
> On:
> 
> grub rescue>ls 
> (hd0) (hd0,gpt8) (hd0,gpt7) (hd0,gpt6) (hd0,gpt5) (hd0,gpt4) (hd0,gpt3) 
> (hd0,gpt2) (hd0,gpt1)
> 
> By giving ls command to each partition only (hd0,gpt6) and (hd0,gpt8) are 
> given as ext2 filesystem (the other as ‘unknown’ filesystem)
> Then, to know more, I gave the following commands:
> 
> grub rescue> ls (hd0,gpt6)/
> ./ ../ lost+found/ home/ etc/ media/ vmlinuz.old var/ bin usr/ sbin lib lib32 
> lib64 libx32 boot/ dev/ proc/ root/ run/ sys/ tmp/ mnt/ srv/ apt/ 
> debootstrap/ initrd.img.old vmlinuz initrd.img
> 
> grub rescue> ls (hd0,gpt6)/boot
> ./ ../ config-5.10.0-9-amd64 vmlinuz-5.10.0-9-amd64 efi/ 
> System.map-5.10.0-9-amd64 initrd.img-5.10.0-9-amd64
> 
> Now I don't know how I can do to continue and if this datas can be useful to 
> solve
> 
> Francesco




Re: Installer GIMP 2.10.28

2021-12-03 Thread Bernard Schoenacker



- Mail original -
> De: "ajh-valmer" 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Cc: "MERLIN Philippe" 
> Envoyé: Vendredi 3 Décembre 2021 19:34:51
> Objet: Re: Installer GIMP 2.10.28
> 
> Comment installer la version Gimp 2.10.28-1 disponible en SID,
> si je suis sous Buster ?
> 

bonjour,

En premier, prière de donner la liste des paquets installés :

 dpkg -l |awk '/gimp/ {print $2}'

Pour obtenir les paquets :

apt-cache show $(dpkg -l |awk '/gimp/ {print $2}') |grep File |grep 2.10.28


Filename: pool/main/g/gimp/gimp_2.10.28-1_amd64.deb
Filename: pool/main/g/gimp/gimp-data_2.10.28-1_all.deb
Filename: pool/main/g/gimp/libgimp2.0_2.10.28-1_amd64.deb

les paquets suivants :

Filename: pool/main/g/gimp-data-extras/gimp-data-extras_2.0.2-1.1_all.deb
Filename: pool/main/g/gimp-help/gimp-help-common_2.10.0-1_all.deb
Filename: pool/main/g/gimp-help/gimp-help-fr_2.10.0-1_all.deb

Exemple :

http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gimp/gimp_2.10.22-4_amd64.deb

Ensuite, il suffit de se rendre sur l'un des dépôts miroir 
afin de récupérer la suite des paquets et de les installer
à la main ...
sudo apt install -y ./



Merci 

@+

Bernard



Re: Installer GIMP 2.10.28

2021-12-03 Thread ajh-valmer
On Friday 03 December 2021 19:16:46 MERLIN Philippe wrote:
> Le vendredi 3 décembre 2021, 18:59:06 CET ajh-valmer a écrit :
> > Je suis sous Buster, avec la version Gimp 2.10.8
> > Je souhaite passer à la version  2.10.28.
> > Sur le site de gimp il faut installer "flatpak", ce que j'ai fait.
> > Après, je ne comprends pas comment installer Gimp avec "flatpak",
> > quel est cet outil ?
> > Je lis :
> > Flatpak est un système de virtualisation d’application pour les
> > distributions GNU/Linux de bureau. Quel rapport avec Gimp ?
> > Sinon, il y a un paquet "the-gimp_2-10-28_fr_214450.tar.bz2",
> > téléchargé sur le site clubic.
> > Quel choix adopter, et faut-il avant supprimer Gimp 2.10.8 complètement ?
> > Merci de votre éclairage, bonne soirée.

> Plus simple la version Gimp 2.10.28-1 est disponible en SID (unstable)

Comment installer la version Gimp 2.10.28-1 disponible en SID,
si je suis sous Buster ?



Re: How to force compilerversion

2021-12-03 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 07:14:31PM +0100, Hans wrote:
> Am Freitag, 3. Dezember 2021, 14:20:14 CET schrieb Christian Britz:
> Hi Christian,
> 
> yes, but kali is 99 percent debian, as you know. However, tried to build with 
> CC=gcc-10, which is starting but not building.
> 
> I believe, I have to download the nvidia installer, building from source does 
> not work. There are still other problems. However, I reverted to nouveau at 
> the moment.
> 

Kali is "rolling Debian testing" as well, effectively so you might want to
ask how others have done it on a Kali channel.

On Debian, I find it easier to _only_ install something in text mode with no
X, then install the prereqs for nvidia, build the binary, and only then 
install X - avoiding nouveau altogether

I don't know if you can do this on Kali.

All best, Andy C.

> Kali is my pentestbox, so I can not really use debian for it.
> 
> On my other computers debian is running - of course! :)
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> Best 
> 
> Hans
>  
> > Hello Hans,
> > 
> > Hans wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > > 
> > > for kali-linux I need to build a kernel-module (it is the nvidia kernel
> > > module).
> > > 
> > > Make module does not work, as it says, kernel is build with gcc-10 and
> > > installed is gcc-11.
> > > 
> > > Setting IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH is set to 1 (which is default).
> > > 
> > > How can I set the environment, to use the older gcc version once, without
> > > deinstalling gcc-11 or killing my whole system?
> > 
> > Kali is not Debian, but CC=/usr/bin/gcc-10 sh nvidia-installer as root
> > should work, assuming that you have GCC 10 installed.
> > 
> > You should consider using the nvidia driver package of Kali, if one exists.
> > 
> > You should also consider using Debian. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 



Re: qemu from backports and libvirt from main won't coexists

2021-12-03 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev

On 03.12.2021 20:26, daggs wrote:

Greetings Alexander,
thank you for the explenation, is there a place where I can see when 
libvirt might arrive to bullseye-backports?

https://backports.debian.org/

You will find there the list of all packages uploaded to 
bullseye-backports¹ and the list of packages currently being worked on².
A similar question has been asked already at backports mailing list³ and 
it looks like nobody is working on a backport yet.



¹ https://backports.debian.org/changes/bullseye-backports.html
² https://ftp-master.debian.org/backports-new.html
³ https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2021/10/msg00030.html

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Re: How to force compilerversion

2021-12-03 Thread Hans
Am Freitag, 3. Dezember 2021, 14:20:14 CET schrieb Christian Britz:
Hi Christian,

yes, but kali is 99 percent debian, as you know. However, tried to build with 
CC=gcc-10, which is starting but not building.

I believe, I have to download the nvidia installer, building from source does 
not work. There are still other problems. However, I reverted to nouveau at 
the moment.

Kali is my pentestbox, so I can not really use debian for it.

On my other computers debian is running - of course! :)

Have fun!

Best 

Hans
 
> Hello Hans,
> 
> Hans wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > for kali-linux I need to build a kernel-module (it is the nvidia kernel
> > module).
> > 
> > Make module does not work, as it says, kernel is build with gcc-10 and
> > installed is gcc-11.
> > 
> > Setting IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH is set to 1 (which is default).
> > 
> > How can I set the environment, to use the older gcc version once, without
> > deinstalling gcc-11 or killing my whole system?
> 
> Kali is not Debian, but CC=/usr/bin/gcc-10 sh nvidia-installer as root
> should work, assuming that you have GCC 10 installed.
> 
> You should consider using the nvidia driver package of Kali, if one exists.
> 
> You should also consider using Debian. :-)






Installer GIMP 2.10.28

2021-12-03 Thread ajh-valmer
Hello,

Je suis sous Buster, avec la version Gimp 2.10.8
Je souhaite passer à la version  2.10.28.
Sur le site de gimp il faut installer "flatpak", ce que j'ai fait.
Après, je ne comprends pas comment installer Gimp avec "flatpak",
quel est cet outil ?
Je lis :
Flatpak est un système de virtualisation d’application pour les distributions 
GNU/Linux de bureau.
Quel rapport avec Gimp ?

Sinon, il y a un paquet "the-gimp_2-10-28_fr_214450.tar.bz2",
téléchargé sur le site clubic.

Quel choix adopter, et faut-il avant supprimer Gimp 2.10.8 complètement ?

Merci de votre éclairage, bonne soirée.

A. Valmer



Re: Fichier .bimx

2021-12-03 Thread Bernard Schoenacker



- Mail original -
> De: "Georges" 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Vendredi 3 Décembre 2021 18:19:00
> Objet: Fichier .bimx
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
>  J'ai besoin d'ouvrir un fichier .bimx avec Linux/Debian bullseye ou
>  bookworm.
>  Une suggestion ?  Merci d'avance
> 
>Georges
> 

Bonjour Georges,

J'ai fait quelques recherches dans la jungle des extensions de type mime 
et voici ce qu'il en ressort :

-a) format propriétaire fermé et non documenté
-b) utiliser la visionneuse présente en en ligne sur le site de l'éditeur
-c) réaliser des captures d'écran pour obtenir l'aperçu 

Merci pour ton aimable attention

Bien à toi

Bernard



Fichier .bimx

2021-12-03 Thread Georges
Bonjour,

 J'ai besoin d'ouvrir un fichier .bimx avec Linux/Debian bullseye ou
 bookworm.
 Une suggestion ?  Merci d'avance

   Georges



Re: Thunderbird en firefox-esr

2021-12-03 Thread Paul van der Vlis




Op 03-12-2021 om 16:54 schreef Richard Lucassen:

On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 17:04:44 +0100
mj  wrote:


Misschien is Sylpheed een optie, dat is opensource en
cross-platform, maar ik heb er niet goed naar gekeken omdat het
geen caldav en carddav heeft.


Lijkt mij altijd dat dat een beetje stilstaat.


Het werkt al 20 jaar probleemloos, dus waarom veranderen? 


Ik zie bijvoorbeeld dat alleen TLSv1 ondersteund wordt.
Voorkomen is vaak beter dan genezen.


Het is
weliswaar een text-only ding maar converteert html naar tekst en
meegestuurde plaatjes laat-ie zien. Je kunt het ook openen in een
browser want de html laat-ie als attachment zien (want dat is het ook).


Dat heeft voordelen qua veiligheid.
Of het in de praktijk handig is weet ik niet zo goed.


Het is een spartaans programma maar voldoet ruimschoots. Een groot
voordeel vind ik dat je aan iedere directory een eigen identiteit kunt
geven,erg handig bij mailinglists. En het is retesnel en licht.

En het is een nntp- en mailclient, geen agendaclient. 


Dat hij nntp doet is fijn, dat hij geen agenda doet vind ik jammer.
Ik ken eigenlijk geen bruikbare stand-alone agenda met carddav.
Gnome-calendar uit stable vind ik niet bruikbaar.


Het praat tegen
LDAP voor adresboek maar niet tegen carddav. 


Je zou dus carddav-to-ldap kunnen doen.


Om dat te omzeilen
genereer ik in een cronjob een vcard file uit de carddav die Sylpheed
weer uitleest.


Is dat inlezen handwerk, of kun je dat automatiseren


Volgens mij ben ik naar Sylpheed overgestapt toen Netscape nog een mail
client had en waar toen iets mee aan de hand was.


Die crashte vaak...

Groet,
Paul

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Re: using intel i5 freqency governors

2021-12-03 Thread Tixy
On Fri, 2021-12-03 at 10:19 -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > I get 'powersave' as default too. According to the ArchWiki site
> > [1]
> > modern Intel CPUs use the intel_pstate driver which selects
> > 'powersave'
> > by default, and it goes on to say:
> > 
> >    The intel_pstate driver supports only two governors: powersave
> > and
> >    performance. Although they share the name with the generic
> >    governors, they do not work in the same way as the generic
> >    governors.
> 
> Hmm... on my machine I don't have the `intel_pstate` loaded,
> apparently.
> Doing `modprobe intel_pstate` does nothing (no output, no error,
> nothing
> in `dmesg` either).  Maybe my i3-4170 CPU is too old and it silently
> bows out (and then some other part of the default config favors
> `schedutil` over `powersave` when intel_pstate is not in use)?

The ArchWiki page [1] says of intel_pstate:

   This driver implements a scaling driver with an internal governor for
   Intel Core (Sandy Bridge and newer) processors. 
   
So yours is new enough. The docs on kernel.org [2] say it's Sandy
Bridge too.

On my kernel, the module is built-in to the kernel...

$cat /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.builtin | grep pstate
kernel/drivers/cpufreq/intel_pstate.ko

And its sysfs directory exists...

$ ls -ld /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Dec  3 07:52 /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate


[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CPU_frequency_scaling
[2] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.19/admin-guide/pm/intel_pstate.html

-- 
Tixy



Re: Pulseaudio regularly crashing; how to evaluate?

2021-12-03 Thread Christian Britz
Hello Jennifer,

while I can't help you fix the particular pulseaudio problem, I might
have an alternative for you, since you are already using the bookworm
distribution.

Try installing the package pipewire-pulse. It contains a pulseaudio
daemon replacement, which works without any problems for me. As I
understand it, pipewire is (among other things) the designated successor
of pulseaudio.

You might have to disable the pulseaudio daemon (through systemd?). I
have even uninstalled pulseaudio just now that I was looking at that
topic, I will inform you, if audio is gone after next boot...

Regards,
Christian


Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
> For the last month or so, Pulseaudio has been crashing for me. It seems
> to happen only when I use certain apps, such as watching video with VLC,
> or watching embedded videos in Firefox. It does not happen when
> listening to audio through an audio player, or having Zoom calls. After
> a crash,
> the Pulseaudio Volume Control will give a "connecting to Pulseaudio"
> error. Restarting with either "pulseaudio --start" or "pulseaudio -k"
> will hang for
> 10-20 seconds, and then "work", in that "ps" will show Pulse is running,
> but I still can't play music (through anything), and the volume app
> shows the
> same error. This will last a few minutes, until sound starts again.
> 
> This was on Bullseye; I recently upgraded to Bookworm (for other
> reasons, though I hoped it would help with this), and it's still
> happening, although
> now "pulseaudio --start" will respond almost instantly. However, it
> still takes a few minutes for sound to come back.
> 
> Where do I look for help on this? /var/log/messages shows warnings about
> a deprecated module, but nothing more serious than that. I'm not sure where
> these crashes might be recorded, or what else to do. But having sound is
> very important to me, so I'd love to fix this!



Re: Thunderbird en firefox-esr

2021-12-03 Thread Richard Lucassen
On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 17:04:44 +0100
mj  wrote:

> > Misschien is Sylpheed een optie, dat is opensource en
> > cross-platform, maar ik heb er niet goed naar gekeken omdat het
> > geen caldav en carddav heeft.
> 
> Lijkt mij altijd dat dat een beetje stilstaat.

Het werkt al 20 jaar probleemloos, dus waarom veranderen? Het is
weliswaar een text-only ding maar converteert html naar tekst en
meegestuurde plaatjes laat-ie zien. Je kunt het ook openen in een
browser want de html laat-ie als attachment zien (want dat is het ook).
Het is een spartaans programma maar voldoet ruimschoots. Een groot
voordeel vind ik dat je aan iedere directory een eigen identiteit kunt
geven,erg handig bij mailinglists. En het is retesnel en licht.

En het is een nntp- en mailclient, geen agendaclient. Het praat tegen
LDAP voor adresboek maar niet tegen carddav. Om dat te omzeilen
genereer ik in een cronjob een vcard file uit de carddav die Sylpheed
weer uitleest.

Volgens mij ben ik naar Sylpheed overgestapt toen Netscape nog een mail
client had en waar toen iets mee aan de hand was.

-- 
richard lucassen
http://contact.xaq.nl/



Pulseaudio regularly crashing; how to evaluate?

2021-12-03 Thread Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum
For the last month or so, Pulseaudio has been crashing for me. It seems to 
happen only when I use certain apps, such as watching video with VLC,or 
watching embedded videos in Firefox. It does not happen when listening to audio 
through an audio player, or having Zoom calls. After a crash,the Pulseaudio 
Volume Control will give a "connecting to Pulseaudio" error. Restarting with 
either "pulseaudio --start" or "pulseaudio -k" will hang for10-20 seconds, and 
then "work", in that "ps" will show Pulse is running, but I still can't play 
music (through anything), and the volume app shows thesame error. This will 
last a few minutes, until sound starts again.
This was on Bullseye; I recently upgraded to Bookworm (for other reasons, 
though I hoped it would help with this), and it's still happening, althoughnow 
"pulseaudio --start" will respond almost instantly. However, it still takes a 
few minutes for sound to come back.
Where do I look for help on this? /var/log/messages shows warnings about a 
deprecated module, but nothing more serious than that. I'm not sure wherethese 
crashes might be recorded, or what else to do. But having sound is very 
important to me, so I'd love to fix this!

Re: Thunderbird (en firefox-esr)

2021-12-03 Thread Roland Clobus

Hallo Paul en lijst,

In Linux Magazin van 08/21 stond (Duitstalig) een artikel over 
e-mailclients. De volgende programma's werden gereviewd:


Claws Mail, Evolution, Geary, KMail, Mailspring, Thunderbird en Trojtá

De vier programma's met de meeste features:
Claws Mail, Evolution, KMail en Thunderbird.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Roland Clobus


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Re: qemu from backports and libvirt from main won't coexists

2021-12-03 Thread daggs

Greetings Alexander,

thank you for the explenation, is there a place where I can see when libvirt might arrive to bullseye-backports?

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 at 4:42 PM
From: "Alexander V. Makartsev" 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: qemu from backports and libvirt from main won't coexists


On 03.12.2021 18:14, daggs wrote:


Greetings,

I'm trying to install qemu from bullseye-backports on a system with libvirt from bullseye, when inspecting the output I notice this:
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libvirt-daemon libvirt-daemon-system

why is that? is there a way to make both pkgs coexist?

Thanks,

Dagg



Take a look at information about one of the dependencies of 'qemu':
    $ apt show qemu-system-common/bullseye-backports

The 'Breaks:' section of "qemu-system-common" package says "libvirt-daemon" needs to be at least version 7.2.0-1 or later.
Now let's see what versions of "libvirt-daemon" available in Debian repos:
    $ rmadison libvirt-daemon

Since there are no backported version exists yet and latest version is 7.0.0-3, apt demands removal of conflicting packages.

You have two options.
First is to simply wait until "libvirt" will be backported from testing and hits bullseye-backports.
Second option is to try and create backported package¹ from sources available in testing by yourself.

¹ https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation
 
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Re: qemu from backports and libvirt from main won't coexists

2021-12-03 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev

On 03.12.2021 18:14, daggs wrote:

Greetings,

I'm trying to install qemu from bullseye-backports on a system with libvirt 
from bullseye, when inspecting the output I notice this:
The following packages will be REMOVED:
   libvirt-daemon libvirt-daemon-system

why is that? is there a way to make both pkgs coexist?

Thanks,

Dagg


Take a look at information about one of the dependencies of 'qemu':
    $ apt show qemu-system-common/bullseye-backports

The 'Breaks:' section of "qemu-system-common" package says 
"libvirt-daemon" needs to be at least version 7.2.0-1 or later.

Now let's see what versions of "libvirt-daemon" available in Debian repos:
    $ rmadison libvirt-daemon

Since there are no backported version exists yet and latest version is 
7.0.0-3, apt demands removal of conflicting packages.


You have two options.
First is to simply wait until "libvirt" will be backported from testing 
and hits bullseye-backports.
Second option is to try and create backported package¹ from sources 
available in testing by yourself.


¹ https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation

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Re: How to force compilerversion

2021-12-03 Thread Christian Britz
Hello Hans,

Hans wrote:
> Hi folks, 
> 
> for kali-linux I need to build a kernel-module (it is the nvidia kernel 
> module).
> 
> Make module does not work, as it says, kernel is build with gcc-10 and 
> installed is gcc-11.
> 
> Setting IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH is set to 1 (which is default).
> 
> How can I set the environment, to use the older gcc version once, without 
> deinstalling gcc-11 or killing my whole system?

Kali is not Debian, but CC=/usr/bin/gcc-10 sh nvidia-installer as root
should work, assuming that you have GCC 10 installed.

You should consider using the nvidia driver package of Kali, if one exists.

You should also consider using Debian. :-)



Re: How to force compilerversion

2021-12-03 Thread Hans
Am Freitag, 3. Dezember 2021, 14:03:26 CET schrieb The Wanderer:
Thanks for the response. 

Kali is more than 95 percent debian. However, I will try as you told, if it 
does not work, please allow me to ask again.

Thanks and best regards

Hans

> On 2021-12-03 at 07:52, Hans wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > for kali-linux I need to build a kernel-module (it is the nvidia
> > kernel module).
> 
> Note that this is not Debian, so is not strictly on-topic for this
> mailing list. However, at least at a glance it doesn't look like there's
> anything distro-specific about the question.
> 
> > Make module does not work, as it says, kernel is build with gcc-10
> > and installed is gcc-11.
> > 
> > Setting IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH is set to 1 (which is default).
> > 
> > How can I set the environment, to use the older gcc version once,
> > without deinstalling gcc-11 or killing my whole system?
> 
> The details will vary depending on the build system of the module,
> including both the build tools used and the exact details of how this
> particular codebase is configured to build. I haven't touched, or looked
> at, the NVIDIA kernel module in long enough that I don't know the
> specifics for that exact case.
> 
> However, the short version that should work for most cases is:
> 
> * Make sure that you actually have gcc-10 installed.
> 
> * At build time, specify the C compiler as being GCC 10, rather than the
> system default C compiler. (And possibly do the same for other
> compilation tools - the C preprocessor, the C++ compiler, the linker,
> the assembler, ...)
> 
> In the type of build system that used to be most common - and might
> still be, for all I know - this latter could be done by specifying
> environment variables at the start of the build command line; for
> example, 'CC=gcc-10 .\configure' or 'CC=gcc-10 make'. (Other tools can
> be specified with variable names such as CPP, CXX, et cetera.)
> 
> In some cases, however, you might have to use a more advanced method to
> specify what compiler to use. In some cases - and the NVIDIA kernel
> module might be one of them - the build system might be complicated
> enough that you would need to pass special, domain-specific arguments to
> the configure script or its equivalent; in order to find out what syntax
> you'd need to use there, we'd need to examine the build system itself
> and find out what its interfaces look like.






qemu from backports and libvirt from main won't coexists

2021-12-03 Thread daggs
Greetings,

I'm trying to install qemu from bullseye-backports on a system with libvirt 
from bullseye, when inspecting the output I notice this:
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libvirt-daemon libvirt-daemon-system

why is that? is there a way to make both pkgs coexist?

Thanks,

Dagg



Re: stability level of testing

2021-12-03 Thread daggs
Greetings David,

> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 at 7:00 AM
> From: "David Christensen" 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: stability level of testing
>
> On 12/2/21 12:53 AM, daggs wrote:
> > Greetings David,
> >
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2021 at 4:21 AM
> >> From: "David Christensen" 
> >> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >> Subject: Re: stability level of testing
> >>
> >> On 11/30/21 11:28 PM, daggs wrote:
> >>> Greetings,
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking of migrating my main server to Debian, I need stability and 
> >>> recent version of small number of pkgs.
> >>> in addition I need to recompile with a out of tree patch.
> >>> I had Debian stable before but replaced it because upgrade broke the 
> >>> system and the versions used for the mentioned above set of pkgs were too 
> >>> old for what I need.
> >>> I know that Testing has more recent pkgs version but I don't know how 
> >>> stable is it.
> >>>
> >>> any info will be appreciate.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Dagg.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/1/21 12:55 PM, daggs wrote:
> >>   > there will be 2 main facing the Internet connection, server's upgrade
> >> and the router vm.
> >>   > the rest is internal
> >>
> >>
> >> What version of Debian are you running?  What Debian packages?  What
> >> hypervisor?  Is the service in a VM?  Are all of the other services in
> >> VM's?  What service?  What are you recompiling?  What is the patch?
> >> What router software?
> >>
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I was running debian, I'm not running now. I need kernel. qemu and libvirt 
> > mainly, the rest doesn't matters versionwise.
> > I have two vms, router and streamer.
> > the router has 5 pci devs pt, the streamer has 2 pci and 2 usb pt.
> >
> > the patch is infamous ACS Override kernel patch, that is the only one I 
> > compromise on
> > the router's os is openwrt, streamer os is libreelec
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Eial
>
>
> Rather than getting fancy with virtualization and kernel patches,
> perhaps you should use a hardware firewall/ router device, a dedicated
> computer for LibreELEC (in a DMZ), and a general-purpose computer with
> Debian Stable for your LAN services (?).

I cannot afford such setup nor do I have the place to put it in

Thanks,

Dagg



Re: How to force compilerversion

2021-12-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-12-03 at 07:52, Hans wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> for kali-linux I need to build a kernel-module (it is the nvidia
> kernel module).

Note that this is not Debian, so is not strictly on-topic for this
mailing list. However, at least at a glance it doesn't look like there's
anything distro-specific about the question.

> Make module does not work, as it says, kernel is build with gcc-10
> and installed is gcc-11.
> 
> Setting IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH is set to 1 (which is default).
> 
> How can I set the environment, to use the older gcc version once,
> without deinstalling gcc-11 or killing my whole system?

The details will vary depending on the build system of the module,
including both the build tools used and the exact details of how this
particular codebase is configured to build. I haven't touched, or looked
at, the NVIDIA kernel module in long enough that I don't know the
specifics for that exact case.

However, the short version that should work for most cases is:

* Make sure that you actually have gcc-10 installed.

* At build time, specify the C compiler as being GCC 10, rather than the
system default C compiler. (And possibly do the same for other
compilation tools - the C preprocessor, the C++ compiler, the linker,
the assembler, ...)

In the type of build system that used to be most common - and might
still be, for all I know - this latter could be done by specifying
environment variables at the start of the build command line; for
example, 'CC=gcc-10 .\configure' or 'CC=gcc-10 make'. (Other tools can
be specified with variable names such as CPP, CXX, et cetera.)

In some cases, however, you might have to use a more advanced method to
specify what compiler to use. In some cases - and the NVIDIA kernel
module might be one of them - the build system might be complicated
enough that you would need to pass special, domain-specific arguments to
the configure script or its equivalent; in order to find out what syntax
you'd need to use there, we'd need to examine the build system itself
and find out what its interfaces look like.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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How to force compilerversion

2021-12-03 Thread Hans
Hi folks, 

for kali-linux I need to build a kernel-module (it is the nvidia kernel 
module).

Make module does not work, as it says, kernel is build with gcc-10 and 
installed is gcc-11.

Setting IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH is set to 1 (which is default).

How can I set the environment, to use the older gcc version once, without 
deinstalling gcc-11 or killing my whole system?

Best regards

Hans




Double boot (Windows & Debian) with UEFI mode

2021-12-03 Thread frantal

Hi,
I was unable to install Grub. Via ‘rescue mode’ of installation cd, it doesn't 
make me do it; takes me to the partitioning window. Then I did a reboot which 
gave me a screenshot
error: file ‘/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod’ not found.

On:

grub rescue>ls 
(hd0) (hd0,gpt8) (hd0,gpt7) (hd0,gpt6) (hd0,gpt5) (hd0,gpt4) (hd0,gpt3) 
(hd0,gpt2) (hd0,gpt1)

By giving ls command to each partition only (hd0,gpt6) and (hd0,gpt8) are given 
as ext2 filesystem (the other as ‘unknown’ filesystem)
Then, to know more, I gave the following commands:

grub rescue> ls (hd0,gpt6)/
./ ../ lost+found/ home/ etc/ media/ vmlinuz.old var/ bin usr/ sbin lib lib32 
lib64 libx32 boot/ dev/ proc/ root/ run/ sys/ tmp/ mnt/ srv/ apt/ debootstrap/ 
initrd.img.old vmlinuz initrd.img

grub rescue> ls (hd0,gpt6)/boot
./ ../ config-5.10.0-9-amd64 vmlinuz-5.10.0-9-amd64 efi/ 
System.map-5.10.0-9-amd64 initrd.img-5.10.0-9-amd64

Now I don't know how I can do to continue and if this datas can be useful to 
solve

Francesco

Re: Conseils pour dessiner sur ordinateur

2021-12-03 Thread Billard François-Marie
En effet une grande tablette permet des gestes plus amples, mais dans 
mon cas l'usage est surtout pour du croquis et de la prise de note . 
Donc plus petite pour plus de mobilité et moins d'encombrement.


François-Marie

Le 03/12/2021 à 07:52, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :

Le 2021-12-03 07:31, Billard François-Marie a écrit :

Aujourd'hui je reprendrai un modèle équivalent mais sans doute plus
petit si besoin.


Plus petit ? Tiens, retour intéressant, mais divergent de ceux que j'ai
eu jusqu'ici, qui allaient plutôt en faveur de tablettes de grande
taille, permettant un geste ample.

Par curiosité, puis-je savoir ce qui te ferait privilégier aujourd'hui
une tablette de taille plus réduite ?

Sébastien






Re: Installation de Debian hors ligne sans environnement de bureau

2021-12-03 Thread didier gaumet



Le jeudi 02 décembre 2021 à 23:01 +0100, Bertrand Delaunay a écrit :

[...]
> Je ne rencontre ce problème de connexion que quand je décide de ne
> pas 
> prendre d'environnement de bureau à l'installation.

Bonjour,

je pense que c'est simplement parce que les dépendances des
environnements de bureau contiennent un gestionnaire de connexion
réseau (à base de network-manager/connmann/wicd...). Si tu n'installes
pas d'environnement de bureau, en gros, t'installes un serveur ou t'es
un gourou du shell donc tu sais ce que tu fais ;-)

Vu que c'est un portable, à moins que tu ne l'utilises comme un
ordinateur de bureau (fixe, raccordé par ethernet) ou que tu sois prêt
à taper des commandes cryptiques pour changer de réseau wifi quand le
besoin s'en fait sentir, il probable que tu souhaites utiliser un
gestionnaire de connexion

Comme tu as installé à partir d'un média sans réseau, tu peux installer
un de ces gestionnaires de connexion mais peut-être n'as-tu pas le
choix (network-manager et non wicd ou connman)

Et si ton souhait est d'utiliser un environnement de bureau ou un
gestionnaire de fenêtres moins gourmand en ressources, de nos jours si
tu utilises un truc aussi répandu qu'internet, le navigateur consomme
très facilement beaucoup plus de ressources que l'environnement de
bureau (en fonction de ton usage internet et un bloqueur de publicités
(ublock ou un truc du même genre...) permet de bien faire baisser
l'usage du processeur et de la mémoire)




Re: Contrôler le trafic HTTP de téléphones IP

2021-12-03 Thread Sabri KHEMISSA
Bonjour,

Je pense qu'un pfsense avec une configuration transparent proxy en coupure
entre tes téléphones et ton serveur fera l'affaire.
Ce lien peut t'aider pour la configuration:
https://openschoolsolutions.org/pfsense-web-filter-filter-https-squidguard/

Tiens moi au courant
Sabri

Le jeu. 2 déc. 2021 à 17:15, Olivier  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> Sur plusieurs réseaux locaux dédiés à des téléphones IP, je souhaite mieux
> contrôler les accès à Internet.
> Plus précisément, je souhaite que:
> 1. les téléphones membres de ces réseaux locaux ne puissent qu'émettre des
> requêtes HTTP vers certaines URL et interdire toutes les autres requêtes
> HTTP.
> 2. la machine ultime servant les réponses HTTP puisse connaître l'IP
> d'origine du demandeur (à des fins de log)
>
> Le paramétrage réseau des téléphones ne connaît pas la notion de proxy
> HTTP.
>
>
> Pour mettre en place ce que je recherche, j'imagine implémenter "une sorte
> de proxy HTTP" qui va:
> 1. écouter les requêtes sur le réseau dédié aux téléphones
> 2. émettre une requête équivalente vers un serveur ultime, en lui
> fournissant l'IP d'origine du demandeur
> 3. recevoir la réponse retournée par le serveur ultime
> 4. émettre la réponse vers le demandeur initial.
>
> Mis à part une appli web développée pour l'occasion, existe-t-il un
> logiciel (présent dans les dépôt Debian) qui me permettre de de faire
> simplement cela ?
>
> Slts
>