Re: Times change [was: Claws-mail Address Book Bug?]
On Sunday, 13 March 2022 01:21:57 EDT to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 09:19:52AM +1100, Charlie wrote: > > On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 22:04:55 + > > > > Brad Rogers wrote: > > > On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 08:47:57 +1100 > > > Charlie wrote: > > > > > > Hello Charlie, > > > > > > >On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 04:09:23 +0800 > > > > > > > >Bret Busby wrote: > > > >> https://lists-claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > > > > Hello Bret, > > > > > > > > I won't send a return receipt, but will just say this doesn't > > > > work for me? > > > > > > Because it's wrong. It *should* be; > > > https://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > > > with a '.' between lists and claws, not a '-'. > > > > Thanks Brad, > > > > Discovered that when I looked for the mailing list on the net. > > I dare not say googled because there is some controversy about > > that. > > Hm. About what: looking up on the net, search engines in general or > Google in particular? > > > Strange, can only assume things have changed, but when I started > > using > > Linux, people would say, RTFM or google is your friend. [shrug] > > Everything changes I suppose. > > Again: what do you have in mind: sending someone "go RTFM", doing it > oneself, google, friendship? > > So many unknown unknowns ;-) > > But yes, times do change: my first Linux computer had four megabytes > (no typo!) of RAM and a 30MB disk. X ran on it. Google wasn't even > around back then. > Can you top this game, Tomas, luv em. My first network capable machine was one of the old tandy grey ghosts, the original Color Computer I'd put 64k of ram into so I could run a micro unix called os9 level one, with two 720k floppy drives, 20 miles to Clarksburg was still a long distance call, and a 300 baud modem got me to a login in clarksburg that put me on the delphi mail server. Ran my phone bill up about $150 a month. That machine was followed by a coco3 with 2 megs of pageable ram and a 30 meg hard drive. That machine was joined by a full blown amiga 2000, and eventually a 400mhz k6 running redhat 5.0. No windows machine has survived on this ppty more than a week before its booting linux, windows has been nuked. So I've been spoiled by multiuser, multitasking machines since about 1985. Hows that for a "war story" Tomas? > Cheers > -- > t Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: Ukrainian language
13 Mar 2022, 16:48 by barin...@gmail.com: > Good afternoon Dear developers of my favorite DEBIAN OS. > > My name is Ihor Sovych, I am Ukrainian. > > I understand that you are very busy people, but anyway - I ask you very much > to make the Ukrainian language in the Debian OS full-fledged. > > This is necessary for us Ukrainians!!! Thank you for what you do!!. > > -- > With kind regards, Ihor Sovych > Hullo, If you look under `tasks' in aptitude, you will see three fully-fledged Ukrainian packages. Cheers! Harry
Ukrainian language
Good afternoon Dear developers of my favorite DEBIAN OS. My name is Ihor Sovych, I am Ukrainian. I understand that you are very busy people, but anyway - I ask you very much to make the Ukrainian language in the Debian OS full-fledged. This is necessary for us Ukrainians!!! Thank you for what you do!!. -- With kind regards, Ihor Sovych
Times change [was: Claws-mail Address Book Bug?]
On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 09:19:52AM +1100, Charlie wrote: > On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 22:04:55 + > Brad Rogers wrote: > > > On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 08:47:57 +1100 > > Charlie wrote: > > > > Hello Charlie, > > > > >On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 04:09:23 +0800 > > >Bret Busby wrote: > > > > > >> https://lists-claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > > Hello Bret, > > > > > > I won't send a return receipt, but will just say this doesn't > > > work for me? > > > > Because it's wrong. It *should* be; > > https://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > > with a '.' between lists and claws, not a '-'. > > > > > > Thanks Brad, > > Discovered that when I looked for the mailing list on the net. > I dare not say googled because there is some controversy about > that. Hm. About what: looking up on the net, search engines in general or Google in particular? > Strange, can only assume things have changed, but when I started using > Linux, people would say, RTFM or google is your friend. [shrug] > Everything changes I suppose. Again: what do you have in mind: sending someone "go RTFM", doing it oneself, google, friendship? So many unknown unknowns ;-) But yes, times do change: my first Linux computer had four megabytes (no typo!) of RAM and a 30MB disk. X ran on it. Google wasn't even around back then. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Package cvs2cl no more in Debian?
Steve Keller wrote: > On Debian stretch I have installed the cvs2cl package. In buster > and bullseye it seems to be missing. Very sad :( https://www.red-bean.com/cvs2cl/ -dsr-
Re: Package cvs2cl no more in Debian?
* On 2022 12 Mar 15:57 -0600, Steve Keller wrote: > On Debian stretch I have installed the cvs2cl package. In buster > and bullseye it seems to be missing. Very sad :( It shouldn't be a problem to install locally so long as it works with newer Perl versions: https://www.red-bean.com/cvs2cl/ - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Package cvs2cl no more in Debian?
On Sat 12 Mar 2022 at 22:41:14 +0100, Steve Keller wrote: > On Debian stretch I have installed the cvs2cl package. In buster > and bullseye it seems to be missing. Very sad :( Imdeed. It is very sad that https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/cvs2cl is not available to you. -- Brian.
Re: Wayland vs X
On 2022-03-12 at 07:38, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:22:11AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-12 at 01:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>>> There seems to be some basis to it. And some solution. But then,
>>> you're perhaps bound to a specific toolkit [1] [2] or perhaps
>>> compositor.
>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/wayland-display-server/1074550-kde-now-has-virtual-desktop-support-on-wayland
>>> and the links therein.
>>
>> It's more complicated than that, unfortunately.
>>
>> There's a reason I didn't use the phrase "virtual desktops" in my
>> description of this feature; the X spec defines *two* things which
>> are sometimes called by that name.
>>
>> One of them has a single large "desktop" with multiple viewports
>> into it; on that one the parts of one window that stick off the
>> edge of one viewport overflow into, and can be seen through, an
>> adjacent viewport.
>
> Ah, I see. I dimly remember that one (I'm that old ;-)
>> The other defines multiple separate "desktops", which are
>> logically arranged into a grid for purposes of indexing and access,
>> but which are individually independent; anything sticking off the
>> edge of any one of them is not visible anywhere. That, as I
>> understand matters, is the feature commonly called "virtual
>> desktops". It's my understanding that this feature *is* possible
>> via, and maybe even directly supported by, Wayland.
>
> And then, there are window managers (Fvwm) which offer "big"
> desktops (where the visible screen is a window into, which can be
> moved around seamlessly) and then several of that "virtual
> desktops".
>
> Best of two worlds :-)
I believe e16 also does this, and if I understand matters correctly,
that's just the intersection of these two features.
If you cut the number of viewports per desktop down to 1 and the size of
the desktop to the size of the viewport, you get traditional virtual
desktops.
If you cut the number of virtual desktops down to 1, and increase the
number of viewports per desktop and (correspondingly) the size of each
desktop, you get that other virtual-desktop-like feature whose proper
other name I don't recall (but which I use routinely).
(Now that I think about it, one of these two might be properly called
"multiple desktops", and the other "virtual desktops" - but I'm no
longer positive which one is which.)
I haven't tried, because I don't want to spend the screen real estate on
the necessary pager for switching among virtual desktops, or expend
potential keybindings to be able to switch among virtual desktops
without a pager - but I'm fairly sure I could trivially configure e16 to
have a 2x2 or 3x3 or 4x4 grid of virtual desktops, each of which
consists of a 4x8 grid of viewports, each of which provides access to an
area the size of my screen resolution.
>> It's difficult or impossible to tell for certain from the limited
>> discussion in the links provided, but it looks to me (having dug
>> through as far as the Phabricator discussion) as if what KDE added
>> support for is the latter.
>>
>> (FWIW, e16 apparently supports *both* of these features, although
>> the major rewrite that was e17 and later dropped support for the
>> first one; that's one of the reasons I haven't moved forward to
>> newer versions of Enlightenment.)
>
> I have the hunch Fvwm is for you. I'm using it with one virtual
> desktop which is 3x3 the size of my screen ("pages" in Fvwm
> parlance). Of course it's segmented as nine pages, but windows
> sticking out of my current page end up sticking into the
> corresponding neighbour. And I can get my screen (aka viewport) to
> straddle page boundaries (which I don't do usually, but hey).
There are other features of e16 which I like (and I can try to run
through the list in detail if desired, although it might take me a while
to dredge everything up, since I only think about most of them when
setting up a new machine or when having to live without them for a
while), but I've heard positive-sounding things about fvwm before,
certainly.
--
The Wanderer
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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Re: Dino
On Sa, 2022-03-12 23:00:33, Mongoose wrote: > When may we see Dino messenger included in Debian stable? The dino XMPP IM Messenger is part of Debian [1] Version 0.2.0-3 in stable Version 0.3.0-2~bpo11+1 in stable backports [1] https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/dino-im -- Stefan Kropp
Re: Claws-mail Address Book Bug?
On 13/3/22 5:47 am, Charlie wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 04:09:23 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: https://lists-claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users Hello Bret, I won't send a return receipt, but will just say this doesn't work for me? Charlie Try this URL https://www.claws-mail.org/MLs.php The previous one was from the footer in messages from the claws mail users mailing list. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Dino
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Re: Claws-mail Address Book Bug?
On 13/3/22 5:47 am, Charlie wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 04:09:23 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: https://lists-claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users Hello Bret, I won't send a return receipt, but will just say this doesn't work for me? Charlie I may have mistyped that URL. Try https://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users (this is copy and paste, rather than look and type) -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Claws-mail Address Book Bug?
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 22:04:55 + Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 08:47:57 +1100 > Charlie wrote: > > Hello Charlie, > > >On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 04:09:23 +0800 > >Bret Busby wrote: > > > >> https://lists-claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > Hello Bret, > > > > I won't send a return receipt, but will just say this doesn't > > work for me? > > Because it's wrong. It *should* be; > https://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > with a '.' between lists and claws, not a '-'. > > Thanks Brad, Discovered that when I looked for the mailing list on the net. I dare not say googled because there is some controversy about that. Strange, can only assume things have changed, but when I started using Linux, people would say, RTFM or google is your friend. [shrug] Everything changes I suppose. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** What does education often do? It makes a straight-cut ditch of a free, meandering brook..Henry David Thoreau *** Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed. -
Re: Claws-mail Address Book Bug?
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 20:44:15 + Brad Rogers wrote: > >What I get is the entry being edited closes down, and I am back to > >the address book window. > > It's possible you may have, inadvertently, set up a keyboard shortcut > to perform the action you're seeing. The default for 'close address > book' is Ctrl-W, BTW. I don't think so. Control-V works correctly (insert text from the clipboard) in other applications, and in other parts of claws-mail, such as the compose window and preference menu. I looked through ~/.claws-mail/menurc and nothing looked like it was creating such an shortcut, for the address book or anywhere else. > > >Has anyone else seen this? > > 'fraid not. Sorry. Thanks -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/ pgpiT5fVQIVtg.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Claws-mail Address Book Bug?
On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 08:47:57 +1100 Charlie wrote: Hello Charlie, >On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 04:09:23 +0800 >Bret Busby wrote: > >> https://lists-claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > > Hello Bret, > > I won't send a return receipt, but will just say this doesn't > work for me? Because it's wrong. It *should* be; https://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users with a '.' between lists and claws, not a '-'. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent" / _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?" Tired of doing day jobs with no thanks for what I do Do Anything You Wanna Do - Eddie & The Hotrods pgphO5DDGruv2.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: No man page for gcc
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 10:36:57PM +0100, Steve Keller wrote: > On debian bullseye I have installed GCC but don't find any manual page. > What am I missing? > You'll need to add 'contrib' and 'non-free' to your sources and then install the gcc-doc package [0]. Regards, -Roberto [0] https://packages.debian.org/gcc-doc -- Roberto C. Sánchez
Package cvs2cl no more in Debian?
On Debian stretch I have installed the cvs2cl package. In buster and bullseye it seems to be missing. Very sad :( Steve
No man page for gcc
On debian bullseye I have installed GCC but don't find any manual page. What am I missing? Steve
Re: Claws-mail Address Book Bug?
On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 04:09:23 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > https://lists-claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users Hello Bret, I won't send a return receipt, but will just say this doesn't work for me? Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** Pity the man who has a character to support --it is worse than a large family -- he is silent poor indeed.Henry David Thoreau *** Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed. -
Re: Claws-mail Address Book Bug?
On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 04:09:23 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > Out of interest, are you aware of the Claws mail users mailing list? > > https://lists-claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users Yes, thank you, I am aware of it. Since this is a Debian package, and might result in a bug report, I thought I'd ask here first. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: Claws-mail Address Book Bug?
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 12:23:15 -0700 Charles Curley wrote: Hello Charles, >What I get is the entry being edited closes down, and I am back to the >address book window. It's possible you may have, inadvertently, set up a keyboard shortcut to perform the action you're seeing. The default for 'close address book' is Ctrl-W, BTW. >Has anyone else seen this? 'fraid not. Sorry. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent" / _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?" When I say ugly, I don't mean rough looking, I mean hideous Ugly - The Stranglers pgpKcc_25fome.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Claws-mail Address Book Bug?
On 13/3/22 3:23 am, Charles Curley wrote: I have hit a problem with claws-mail. When entering a new entry into the address book, Control-V does not work as I expect. What I expect is that the text in the clipboard will be inserted into the current field at the cursor location. What I get is the entry being edited closes down, and I am back to the address book window. I have found that simply using the middle button of the mouse (button 2) will insert freshly swiped text. Has anyone else seen this? claws-mail 3.17.8-1+b1 amd64 on Bullseye. Out of interest, are you aware of the Claws mail users mailing list? https://lists-claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Wayland vs X
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 03:05:03PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:29:19AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > With X, the window manager is the one implementing window decorations > > (this isn't in the protocol, but it is a strong convention applications > > had to follow in practice). > > Except for when Google Chrome decided to implement its own window > decorations, which were of course completely foreign compared to > the rest of the toplevel windows on my display. I haven't ever tried Chrome or Chromium (and I'll try to avoid them for as long as I can): you reinforce me on that :) > Fortunately, they decided to revert that decision, and today you can > configure Google Chrome to look and act like a normal window. Phew! > > I don't look forward to the day where the browser gives some random > > javascript advertisment control over its absolute position on my > > screen [...] > > Are you kidding? Javascript could do this *ages* ago. In the classical setting it can only beg the window manager (through ICCCM). The latter has the last word on it. > I wrote a series of little pages that showed how insidiously evil > Javascript actually is (or was): > > https://wooledge.org/~greg/jsabuse/ Nice :-) (FWIW: I can click at 3.html and 4.html: I guess Mozilla begs the WM to move/resize, but the WM says "nope". > Some of them still work. Some do not, as current browser versions have > tightened up their settings and no longer give Javascript quite as much > freedom as they originally did. I sure hope. But I'm sceptical: the browser maker's perspective is the ad industry's perspective (I'm not assuming some evil conspiracy, just plain boring cultural immersion). > > or over its window decorations. > > I wouldn't know anything about that in particular. I don't even want to ;-) Cheers & thanks for the little javascript snippets. You definitely picked your background colours with fury :-D -- tomás signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Wayland vs X
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:29:19AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > With X, the window manager is the one implementing window decorations > (this isn't in the protocol, but it is a strong convention applications > had to follow in practice). Except for when Google Chrome decided to implement its own window decorations, which were of course completely foreign compared to the rest of the toplevel windows on my display. Fortunately, they decided to revert that decision, and today you can configure Google Chrome to look and act like a normal window. > I don't look forward to the day where the browser gives some random > javascript advertisment control over its absolute position on my > screen [...] Are you kidding? Javascript could do this *ages* ago. I wrote a series of little pages that showed how insidiously evil Javascript actually is (or was): https://wooledge.org/~greg/jsabuse/ Some of them still work. Some do not, as current browser versions have tightened up their settings and no longer give Javascript quite as much freedom as they originally did. > or over its window decorations. I wouldn't know anything about that in particular.
Re: exim4-base dependency on mysql?
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 11:14:34AM -0800, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > Hi, > > Can someone explain why MySQL/MariaDB detritus gets pulled in when you > install exim4? > > Does exim4 use a database now? > > I thought all the queues and such were just text files. > The only exim4 package that has a dependency on MySQL/MariaDB or PostgreSQL is exim4-daemon-heavy. The description of that package is clear that it includes a bunch of extra features enabled: "exim4-daemon-heavy includes LDAP, sqlite, PostgreSQL and MySQL data lookups, SASL and SPA SMTP authentication, embedded Perl interpreter, and the content scanning extension (formerly known as "exiscan-acl") for integration of virus scanners and spamassassin." Perhaps you installed exim4-daemon-heavy when you intended to install exim4-daemon-light. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez
Re: exim4-base dependency on mysql?
* 2022-03-12 11:14:34-0800, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > Can someone explain why MySQL/MariaDB detritus gets pulled in when you > install exim4? No personal experience about the "heavy" Exim but Debian package exim4-daemon-heavy has dependency on database libraries. Its description says: In addition to the features already supported by exim4-daemon-light, exim4-daemon-heavy includes LDAP, sqlite, PostgreSQL and MySQL data lookups, [...] If you want lighter version of Exim install exim4-daemon-light package instead. -- /// Teemu Likonen - .-.. https://www.iki.fi/tlikonen/ // OpenPGP: 6965F03973F0D4CA22B9410F0F2CAE0E07608462 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: exim4-base dependency on mysql?
On 12/03/2022 16:14, Kaz Kylheku wrote: Hi, Can someone explain why MySQL/MariaDB detritus gets pulled in when you install exim4? Does exim4 use a database now? I thought all the queues and such were just text files. If by 'detritus' you mean libmariadb3, a client library for MariaDB, then exim4-daemon-heavy does indeed have that as a dependency. Exim can (but does not have too) connect to databases, so it needs to have the client library. It won't use a database in the standard Debian setup, though. Note that there's exim4-daemon-light, which does not have support for databases, embedded perl, and other less frequently used features. But it should be enough for most simple use cases. -- Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br
exim4-base dependency on mysql?
Hi, Can someone explain why MySQL/MariaDB detritus gets pulled in when you install exim4? Does exim4 use a database now? I thought all the queues and such were just text files. Thanks.
Claws-mail Address Book Bug?
I have hit a problem with claws-mail. When entering a new entry into the address book, Control-V does not work as I expect. What I expect is that the text in the clipboard will be inserted into the current field at the cursor location. What I get is the entry being edited closes down, and I am back to the address book window. I have found that simply using the middle button of the mouse (button 2) will insert freshly swiped text. Has anyone else seen this? claws-mail 3.17.8-1+b1 amd64 on Bullseye. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: Comment recharger un module noyau planté ?
Le samedi 12 mars 2022 à 11:58 +0100, Daniel Caillibaud a écrit : > Le 12/03/22 à 09:50, didier gaumet a écrit > Oui, j'ai > > lsmod|grep ath > ath10k_pci 49152 0 > ath10k_core 430080 1 ath10k_pci > ath 36864 1 ath10k_core > mac80211 1077248 1 ath10k_core > cfg80211 1052672 3 ath,mac80211,ath10k_core > > modinfo me dit aussi pour ath10k_pci > depends: ath10k_core > (qui lui ne dépend de personne) [...] un modinfo ath10k_core confirme les lignes ci-dessus: ath10k_core dépend des modules mac80211,cfg80211,ath Si tu forces le déchargement du module ath10k_pci, il faut peut-être aussi (à confirmer) que tu forces le déchargement des modules ath10_core et ath, voire même (ça me paraît moins probable vu ton message d'erreur, mais bon...) de mac80211 et cfg80211
Re: got a mdadm puzzler
On Saturday, 12 March 2022 08:50:07 EST Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 02:11:23PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > On Friday, 11 March 2022 13:11:14 EST Andy Smith wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 07:18:56AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > > 2. I've had since the last of about 20 installs of bullseye, a > > > > very > > > > early boot message about ata6 at the 10 and 20 second marks of > > > > the > > > > reboot IF it was not a full powerdown reboot. > > > > > > Did you not at any point think that letting us know what the exact > > > error message was would be useful here? > > > > IF that error message ever made it to the logs, I don't know which > > one. Its output to the screen, but I'll grep syslog for ata6. Found > > some, first instance was reboot, 2nd instance was bootup from a full > > powerdown of about 5 seconds: > > > > Mar 8 15:55:01 coyote kernel: [0.699889] ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 > > abar m2048@0xdf34b000 port 0xdf34b380 irq 126 > > Mar 8 15:55:01 coyote kernel: [6.071345] ata6: link is slow to > > respond, please be patient (ready=0) > > Mar 8 15:55:01 coyote kernel: [ 10.759342] ata6: COMRESET failed > > (errno=-16) > > Okay well this is nothing to do with your RAID, it's at a much lower > level. > > I'd suspect a faulty drive if it wasn't for the fact that you say it > doesn't happen if you boot from power off, only from a reboot. > > I think it still might be worth changing the cable and/or moving the > drive about to see if the error follows the drive or stays with the > port. > > Do you have multiple of this model of drive? If so then it would be > interesting that it only happens with one of them - again points to > hardware problem. But if you only have the one then you can't tell > that. > > > Mar 8 15:56:06 coyote kernel: [1.000270] ata6.00: ATA-9: > > ST2000DM001-1ER164, CC25, max UDMA/133 > > Hopefully that model number and serial gives you enough information > to locate the correct drive. > Difficult at best. All 4 drives from the same purchase, mounted 2 to the 3.5" adapter, and all 4 shoved into a front panel-less drive cage below the floppy slot in a huge tower case about 17 yo. Rather than blame data cables, I'd start by changing out the power splitter cables, this psu doesn't have near enough sata power plugs for 7 drives, only 1 of which is spinning rust. But I'll have to order some more as I think I've only 1 spare left from building it. But I just checked, all splitters left are old 4 pin molex's. I have enough cables to change all the data cables, black ones of course since the pretty red ones are 3 year cables, maximum. And I'm out in small town america, so I'll see what amazon has. Maybe they csn simplify the mess I have for power cabling now. 4 pack of molex to sata splitters, s/b here Monday. Thank you Andy. > Cheers, > Andy > > -- > https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting > > . Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: Quel(s) serveur(s) DHCP pour 250 LAN de petite taille (/28) ?
Bonjour Le 11/03/2022 à 12:48, Olivier a écrit : Bonjour, Je souhaite mettre en place sur une machine Bullseye, un service DHCP traitant 250 réseaux locaux de petite taille (/28 soit 16 adresses) mais chacun avec 1 ou 2 machines connectées, au maximum. 1. Qui a déjà mis en oeuvre ce type de chose ? Avec quels composants ? Quel retour d'expérience ? 2. Je connais le serveur DHCP d'ISC. J'ai l'habitude de lister les interfaces sur lesquelles il écoute en complétant la ligne INTERFACESv4 du fichier /etc/default/interfaces. Existe-t-il une autre façon de fournir la liste des interfaces ? 3. Suggestions ? Conseils ? dnsmasq. Et passer en ipv6 ... -- Daniel
Re: 11.2 sometimes wrong /etc/resolv.conf
Christian Groessler writes: > Hi, > > when I boot my laptop with Debian 11.2 and LAN cable connected, I'm > sometimes getting a wrong /etc/resolv.conf. > > The resolv.conf is not in fact wrong, but it's the one from the Wifi > network. But when booting with network cable connected I want to have > the resolv.conf of the cabled network. I think you mean when you're plugged in both wifi and ethernet are connected and your whole connection is over one or the other, probably whichever connected last? So your question is really, how to turn off wifi when using fixed ethernet? Using NetworkManager, one might guess? It's surprising to me this doesn't seem to be handled by NetworkManager GUI. Or actually when I think of how weird and broken and undocumented NetworkManager is, maybe I shouldn't be surprised. Anyways, here's an explanation on how to make NetworkManager do what I guess you want it to do: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/487640/disable-wifi-on-connection-to-ethernet-with-networkmanager
Re: Wayland vs X
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:50:33AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2022 12 Mar 06:38 -0600, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:22:11AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > > > > > The other defines multiple separate "desktops", which are logically > > > arranged into a grid for purposes of indexing and access, but which are > > > individually independent; anything sticking off the edge of any one of > > > them is not visible anywhere. That, as I understand matters, is the > > > feature commonly called "virtual desktops". It's my understanding that > > > this feature *is* possible via, and maybe even directly supported by, > > > Wayland. > > > > And then, there are window managers (Fvwm) which offer "big" desktops > > (where the visible screen is a window into, which can be moved around > > seamlessly) and then several of that "virtual desktops". > > That is what I recall from a bit over 25 years ago when I bought a 1.2 > GB hard drive to have enough space to install the X disk sets in > Slackware 96 [...] Ah, memories. I'm older: my first one was Twm ;-P After an excursion which took me all the way to Gnome (I liked those around 2-ish, actually), then to Xfce I'm back with Fvwm. Phew. Fvwm95 I never understood: it wants to look & feel like Windows95. I hated Windows since 3.1 :-) > Gnome calls them "workspaces" and I typically use four per screen. To come back on topic: can Gnome (is their WM still called Metacity?) straddle workspaces with the viewport? Otherwise we'll stick with our more advanced WMs ;-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Wayland vs X
* On 2022 12 Mar 06:38 -0600, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:22:11AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > > > The other defines multiple separate "desktops", which are logically > > arranged into a grid for purposes of indexing and access, but which are > > individually independent; anything sticking off the edge of any one of > > them is not visible anywhere. That, as I understand matters, is the > > feature commonly called "virtual desktops". It's my understanding that > > this feature *is* possible via, and maybe even directly supported by, > > Wayland. > > And then, there are window managers (Fvwm) which offer "big" desktops > (where the visible screen is a window into, which can be moved around > seamlessly) and then several of that "virtual desktops". That is what I recall from a bit over 25 years ago when I bought a 1.2 GB hard drive to have enough space to install the X disk sets in Slackware 96. The default WM was Fvwm95 and I used it with a large virtual desktop for several years. Then I chose to try Afterstep, then IceWM for some time before moving into the desktop world alternating between KDE and Xfce and now Gnome for the most part and my virtual desktop equals the screen size. Gnome calls them "workspaces" and I typically use four per screen. It's default is to create them dynamically but I use a fixed number. This way I set up my work flow the same as on systems where I used Xfce which defaults to four desktops. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: got a mdadm puzzler
Hello, On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 02:11:23PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On Friday, 11 March 2022 13:11:14 EST Andy Smith wrote: > > Hello, > > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 07:18:56AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > 2. I've had since the last of about 20 installs of bullseye, a very > > > early boot message about ata6 at the 10 and 20 second marks of the > > > reboot IF it was not a full powerdown reboot. > > > > Did you not at any point think that letting us know what the exact > > error message was would be useful here? > > > IF that error message ever made it to the logs, I don't know which one. > Its output to the screen, but I'll grep syslog for ata6. Found some, > first instance was reboot, 2nd instance was bootup from a full powerdown > of about 5 seconds: > > Mar 8 15:55:01 coyote kernel: [0.699889] ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 > abar m2048@0xdf34b000 port 0xdf34b380 irq 126 > Mar 8 15:55:01 coyote kernel: [6.071345] ata6: link is slow to > respond, please be patient (ready=0) > Mar 8 15:55:01 coyote kernel: [ 10.759342] ata6: COMRESET failed > (errno=-16) Okay well this is nothing to do with your RAID, it's at a much lower level. I'd suspect a faulty drive if it wasn't for the fact that you say it doesn't happen if you boot from power off, only from a reboot. I think it still might be worth changing the cable and/or moving the drive about to see if the error follows the drive or stays with the port. Do you have multiple of this model of drive? If so then it would be interesting that it only happens with one of them - again points to hardware problem. But if you only have the one then you can't tell that. > Mar 8 15:56:06 coyote kernel: [1.000270] ata6.00: ATA-9: > ST2000DM001-1ER164, CC25, max UDMA/133 Hopefully that model number and serial gives you enough information to locate the correct drive. Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: Wayland vs X
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:22:11AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2022-03-12 at 01:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 03:41:09PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> The most important one for my purposes, and therefore the one that
> >> I remember, is the ability to have multiple desktop-like things
> >> which are actually all just viewports on one much-larger single
> >> area [...]
> >
> > There seems to be some basis to it. And some solution. But then,
> > you're perhaps bound to a specific toolkit [1] [2] or perhaps
> > compositor.
>
> > [1]
> > https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/wayland-display-server/1074550-kde-now-has-virtual-desktop-support-on-wayland
> > and the links therein.
>
> It's more complicated than that, unfortunately.
>
> There's a reason I didn't use the phrase "virtual desktops" in my
> description of this feature; the X spec defines *two* things which are
> sometimes called by that name.
>
> One of them has a single large "desktop" with multiple viewports into
> it; on that one the parts of one window that stick off the edge of one
> viewport overflow into, and can be seen through, an adjacent viewport.
Ah, I see. I dimly remember that one (I'm that old ;-)
> That's the feature I was talking about, but it is *not* the feature most
> commonly called "virtual desktops", although some WMs (including, IIRC,
> e16) do call it that; I don't know if it has any other dedicated name,
> although the X spec does refer to it in different terminology. My
> understanding is that this is the thing the Wayland developers saw as so
> odd that it couldn't possibly be used/wanted by anyone and had to just
> be a historical-curiosity wart on the spec.
>
> The other defines multiple separate "desktops", which are logically
> arranged into a grid for purposes of indexing and access, but which are
> individually independent; anything sticking off the edge of any one of
> them is not visible anywhere. That, as I understand matters, is the
> feature commonly called "virtual desktops". It's my understanding that
> this feature *is* possible via, and maybe even directly supported by,
> Wayland.
And then, there are window managers (Fvwm) which offer "big" desktops
(where the visible screen is a window into, which can be moved around
seamlessly) and then several of that "virtual desktops".
Best of two worlds :-)
Whether it uses that X functionality is an implementation detail I
don't know, alas.
> It's difficult or impossible to tell for certain from the limited
> discussion in the links provided, but it looks to me (having dug through
> as far as the Phabricator discussion) as if what KDE added support for
> is the latter.
>
> (FWIW, e16 apparently supports *both* of these features, although the
> major rewrite that was e17 and later dropped support for the first one;
> that's one of the reasons I haven't moved forward to newer versions of
> Enlightenment.)
I have the hunch Fvwm is for you. I'm using it with one virtual desktop
which is 3x3 the size of my screen ("pages" in Fvwm parlance). Of course
it's segmented as nine pages, but windows sticking out of my current
page end up sticking into the corresponding neighbour. And I can get
my screen (aka viewport) to straddle page boundaries (which I don't do
usually, but hey).
Cheers
--
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Re: Wayland vs X
On 2022-03-12 at 01:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 03:41:09PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > [...] > >> The most important one for my purposes, and therefore the one that >> I remember, is the ability to have multiple desktop-like things >> which are actually all just viewports on one much-larger single >> area [...] > > There seems to be some basis to it. And some solution. But then, > you're perhaps bound to a specific toolkit [1] [2] or perhaps > compositor. > [1] > https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/wayland-display-server/1074550-kde-now-has-virtual-desktop-support-on-wayland > and the links therein. It's more complicated than that, unfortunately. There's a reason I didn't use the phrase "virtual desktops" in my description of this feature; the X spec defines *two* things which are sometimes called by that name. One of them has a single large "desktop" with multiple viewports into it; on that one the parts of one window that stick off the edge of one viewport overflow into, and can be seen through, an adjacent viewport. That's the feature I was talking about, but it is *not* the feature most commonly called "virtual desktops", although some WMs (including, IIRC, e16) do call it that; I don't know if it has any other dedicated name, although the X spec does refer to it in different terminology. My understanding is that this is the thing the Wayland developers saw as so odd that it couldn't possibly be used/wanted by anyone and had to just be a historical-curiosity wart on the spec. The other defines multiple separate "desktops", which are logically arranged into a grid for purposes of indexing and access, but which are individually independent; anything sticking off the edge of any one of them is not visible anywhere. That, as I understand matters, is the feature commonly called "virtual desktops". It's my understanding that this feature *is* possible via, and maybe even directly supported by, Wayland. It's difficult or impossible to tell for certain from the limited discussion in the links provided, but it looks to me (having dug through as far as the Phabricator discussion) as if what KDE added support for is the latter. (FWIW, e16 apparently supports *both* of these features, although the major rewrite that was e17 and later dropped support for the first one; that's one of the reasons I haven't moved forward to newer versions of Enlightenment.) -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Chromium GPU sandbox error
Hi all, When opening chromium 99 I'm seeing the following error in the logs: ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(364)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process. I've tried following the advice of setting the environment variable : export MESA_GLSL_CACHE_DISABLE=true And I'm still getting the same error. Anything else I can try? - Kevin
Re: Comment recharger un module noyau planté ?
Le 12/03/22 à 09:50, didier gaumet a écrit : > le module ath10k_pci n'est pas le seul module pour cette famille de > chipsets wifi et peut-être ath10k_pci appelle-t-il ath10k_core > > un > $ lsmod | grep ath10 > te permettra normalement de voir quels modules dépendent de ath10k_pci Oui, j'ai lsmod|grep ath ath10k_pci 49152 0 ath10k_core 430080 1 ath10k_pci ath36864 1 ath10k_core mac80211 1077248 1 ath10k_core cfg80211 1052672 3 ath,mac80211,ath10k_core modinfo me dit aussi pour ath10k_pci depends:ath10k_core (qui lui ne dépend de personne) > je suppose qu'il doit falloir décharger puis recharger certains autres > modules que ath10k_pci pour que ton chipset soit redétecté puis > réinitialisé correctement ok, la prochaine fois je rmmod les deux, puis modprobe ath10k_pci (qui doit charger la dépendances), et si ça marche pas rmmod les deux puis insmod core puis insmod pci, on verra si c'est mieux. -- Daniel La guerre civile est moins détestable que la guerre avec l'étranger. On sait du moins pourquoi l'on s'y bat. Anatole France
Re: Comment recharger un module noyau planté ?
Le vendredi 11 mars 2022 à 23:50 +0100, Daniel Caillibaud a écrit : [...] > Ensuite, un `modprobe -v ath10k_pci` ne dit rien, mais ne fait rien > non plus, sinon écrire dans > kern.log > > Mar 11 23:31:01 dell kernel: [33602.770218] ath10k_pci :02:00.0: > failed to read device register, device is gone > Mar 11 23:31:01 dell kernel: [33602.770222] ath10k_pci :02:00.0: > failed to reset chip: -5 > Mar 11 23:31:03 dell kernel: [33605.371019] ath10k_pci: probe of > :02:00.0 failed with error -5 > > > Mais au moins, la dépose du module planté m'a permis d'éteindre la > machine proprement. [...] didier@hp-notebook14:~$ find /lib/modules -name *ath10* /lib/modules/5.10.0-12-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath10k /lib/modules/5.10.0-12- amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath10k/ath10k_pci.ko /lib/modules/5.10.0-12- amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath10k/ath10k_usb.ko /lib/modules/5.10.0-12- amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath10k/ath10k_core.ko le module ath10k_pci n'est pas le seul module pour cette famille de chipsets wifi et peut-être ath10k_pci appelle-t-il ath10k_core un $ lsmod | grep ath10 te permettra normalement de voir quels modules dépendent de ath10k_pci je suppose qu'il doit falloir décharger puis recharger certains autres modules que ath10k_pci pour que ton chipset soit redétecté puis réinitialisé correctement
