Re: xfce suspend not working

[sp...@caiway.net]

Hi Richmond,

Why don't you make an experiment?

Make a full backup of your ssystem

Do some serious testing in your spare time.

Publish the results, please.

You might do others a favour (now and in the future).


Arne




On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 12:48:27 +
Richmond  wrote:

> Richmond  writes:
> 
> > I was using MATE but I installed xfce. When I select the suspend button
> > a message appears saying suspend in 30 seconds. If I click suspend the
> > screen locks. If I wait the system does not suspend. If I log in again
> > an error message says suspend failed timeout reached.
> >
> > There seem to be conflicting settings available for example in power
> > management and in session management for lock before suspend. I tried
> > using slim instead of lightdm but this has removed the suspend options.
> >
> > What I want is for the system to suspend to ram if it is left
> > unattended, and to suspend to ram when I request it to do so, and in
> > both cases to lock the screen so that it is locked on return from
> > suspend. How do I do this with XFCE (4?) ?
> 
> I think I have fixed it. It was caused by the mate-screensaver dialog
> running.
> 

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[sp...@caiway.net]

On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 20:08:37 -0500
John Hasler  wrote:

> Please don't feed the troll.

No worry John,

I have the tools prepared.

Most secure laptop in the world. The writer of my BIOS is a coreboot forker. He 
soldered the CMOS by hand.
Capitalists can't even break in my BIOS to stop me.
They can put me in jail 5 - 6 months, I still have some Japanese tai-chi to do.
When they feed me bananas I might even consider go voluntary.

I am feeded far too long by the wrong system.

And I have friends.

Arne

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[gene heskett]

On Saturday, 4 June 2022 20:40:34 EDT Larry Martell wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM sp...@caiway.net  
wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The reason:
> > 
> > I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society.
> > 
> > This mailing list as example for how I learned. Thanks!
> > 
> > Things go faster and better.
> > 
> > 
> > All those commercial ones only have one goal: make more profit.
> > 
> > Led by stupid managers with only $ $ eyes giving orders to
> > developers.
> 
> So you are against people making profit for their labors?
> 
> .
This whole, and apparently endless thread, by folks who are in serious 
need of understanding just how unbreakable a law TANSTAAFL actually is.

So Larry, put it in language they might be able to understand.  And say 
Hi to Carol for me.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: concerning gmail and that

[sp...@caiway.net]

sorry for using this mailing list to pass on a natural medicine that helps the 
third world

Arne

On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 03:16:31 +0200
"sp...@caiway.net"  wrote:

> https://www.kaiostech.com/the-birth-of-the-smart-feature-phone-revolution/
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:49:50 +0200
> deboer007  wrote:
> 
> > They even used cotton for mineral extraction from healhty individuals.
> > 
> > I can tell: hemp clothing is FAR more comfortable to wear.
> > 
> > The capitalists even used slavery for the profit.
> > 
> > And now they are even using a search engine google to help the rich in the 
> > medical world by making humanity sick.
> > 
> > 
> > Arne
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:17:53 +0200
> > "sp...@caiway.net"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Google search:
> > > 
> > > I use 
> > > 
> > > https://searx.org
> > > 
> > > and you can switch of the google results.
> > > 
> > > Happy searching that way.
> > > 
> > > Arne
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:10:54 +0200
> > > "sp...@caiway.net"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Other examples:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The kapitalist know the medicine CBD is very healthy and very cheap.
> > > > 
> > > > So they are selling it for the highest price for the smallest dosis.
> > > > 
> > > > Even public health is used for profit.
> > > > 
> > > > Ukraine has plenty of CBD
> > > > 
> > > > So they make war in Ukraine to prefend it entering the market too soon.
> > > > 
> > > > Ukraine
> > > > 
> > > > #
> > > > 
> > > > They still have vaccins to sell,
> > > > 
> > > > The Australian gouvernement and industrials are free from vacination 
> > > > obligation.
> > > > 
> > > > Doesn't that ring a bell?
> > > > 
> > > > Arne
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 23:14:44 +0100
> > > > mick crane  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > There was that Gernman guy who worked out how you could do images 
> > > > > with a 
> > > > > 360 view
> > > > > and he was jumped on by copyright lawyers.
> > > > > This computer, internet phenomenon, industrial change, is meant to be 
> > > > > a 
> > > > > communal effort.
> > > > > I saw that there are Requests For Comment which try to establish 
> > > > > protocols how things work best.
> > > > > My gripe with these bandwagon jumpers like gmail is the taking of 
> > > > > community concepts, monetising them and ignoring these RFCs.
> > > > > mick
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

Re: concerning gmail and that

[sp...@caiway.net]

https://www.kaiostech.com/the-birth-of-the-smart-feature-phone-revolution/



On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:49:50 +0200
deboer007  wrote:

> They even used cotton for mineral extraction from healhty individuals.
> 
> I can tell: hemp clothing is FAR more comfortable to wear.
> 
> The capitalists even used slavery for the profit.
> 
> And now they are even using a search engine google to help the rich in the 
> medical world by making humanity sick.
> 
> 
> Arne
> 
> 
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:17:53 +0200
> "sp...@caiway.net"  wrote:
> 
> > Google search:
> > 
> > I use 
> > 
> > https://searx.org
> > 
> > and you can switch of the google results.
> > 
> > Happy searching that way.
> > 
> > Arne
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:10:54 +0200
> > "sp...@caiway.net"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Other examples:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The kapitalist know the medicine CBD is very healthy and very cheap.
> > > 
> > > So they are selling it for the highest price for the smallest dosis.
> > > 
> > > Even public health is used for profit.
> > > 
> > > Ukraine has plenty of CBD
> > > 
> > > So they make war in Ukraine to prefend it entering the market too soon.
> > > 
> > > Ukraine
> > > 
> > > #
> > > 
> > > They still have vaccins to sell,
> > > 
> > > The Australian gouvernement and industrials are free from vacination 
> > > obligation.
> > > 
> > > Doesn't that ring a bell?
> > > 
> > > Arne
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 23:14:44 +0100
> > > mick crane  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > There was that Gernman guy who worked out how you could do images with 
> > > > a 
> > > > 360 view
> > > > and he was jumped on by copyright lawyers.
> > > > This computer, internet phenomenon, industrial change, is meant to be a 
> > > > communal effort.
> > > > I saw that there are Requests For Comment which try to establish 
> > > > protocols how things work best.
> > > > My gripe with these bandwagon jumpers like gmail is the taking of 
> > > > community concepts, monetising them and ignoring these RFCs.
> > > > mick
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[sp...@caiway.net]

https://www.kaiostech.com/developers/

let firefox win the browserwar
help the third world before they get captured by american capitalism

we have the tools

Arne


On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:50:02 -0500
Larry Martell  wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 7:44 PM sp...@caiway.net  wrote:
> >
> > NO!
> >
> > Some people like to work for a boss and follow orders from imbiciles.
> 
> You sound like an imbecile to me.
> 
> 
> > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:40:34 -0500
> > Larry Martell  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM sp...@caiway.net  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > The reason:
> > > >
> > > > I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society.
> > > >
> > > > This mailing list as example for how I learned. Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Things go faster and better.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All those commercial ones only have one goal: make more profit.
> > > >
> > > > Led by stupid managers with only $ $ eyes giving orders to developers.
> > >
> > > So you are against people making profit for their labors?
> >
> 

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[John Hasler]

Please don't feed the troll.
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[Larry Martell]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 7:44 PM sp...@caiway.net  wrote:
>
> NO!
>
> Some people like to work for a boss and follow orders from imbiciles.

You sound like an imbecile to me.


> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:40:34 -0500
> Larry Martell  wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM sp...@caiway.net  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The reason:
> > >
> > > I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society.
> > >
> > > This mailing list as example for how I learned. Thanks!
> > >
> > > Things go faster and better.
> > >
> > >
> > > All those commercial ones only have one goal: make more profit.
> > >
> > > Led by stupid managers with only $ $ eyes giving orders to developers.
> >
> > So you are against people making profit for their labors?
>

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[sp...@caiway.net]

NO!

Some people like to work for a boss and follow orders from imbiciles.


Arne

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:40:34 -0500
Larry Martell  wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM sp...@caiway.net  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The reason:
> >
> > I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society.
> >
> > This mailing list as example for how I learned. Thanks!
> >
> > Things go faster and better.
> >
> >
> > All those commercial ones only have one goal: make more profit.
> >
> > Led by stupid managers with only $ $ eyes giving orders to developers.
> 
> So you are against people making profit for their labors?

Re: concerning gmail and that

[deboer007]

They have invented plastic that breaks down quickly, for their steady source of 
income.

Even the environment is sacrificed.

Welcome to the capitalist society!


I escaped this world long ago!!

No more corona vaccins for me, I let God decide.

(Thanks the Dutch gouvernement for giving me basic income)

In this town the biggest parking lot is right next to the hospital.

They even managed to make profit from the people who visit their ill family and 
friends.

(they know that visit is good for the patients)


Arne



On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:17:53 +0200
"sp...@caiway.net"  wrote:

> Google search:
> 
> I use 
> 
> https://searx.org
> 
> and you can switch of the google results.
> 
> Happy searching that way.
> 
> Arne
> 
> 
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:10:54 +0200
> "sp...@caiway.net"  wrote:
> 
> > Other examples:
> > 
> > 
> > The kapitalist know the medicine CBD is very healthy and very cheap.
> > 
> > So they are selling it for the highest price for the smallest dosis.
> > 
> > Even public health is used for profit.
> > 
> > Ukraine has plenty of CBD
> > 
> > So they make war in Ukraine to prefend it entering the market too soon.
> > 
> > Ukraine
> > 
> > #
> > 
> > They still have vaccins to sell,
> > 
> > The Australian gouvernement and industrials are free from vacination 
> > obligation.
> > 
> > Doesn't that ring a bell?
> > 
> > Arne
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 23:14:44 +0100
> > mick crane  wrote:
> > 
> > > There was that Gernman guy who worked out how you could do images with a 
> > > 360 view
> > > and he was jumped on by copyright lawyers.
> > > This computer, internet phenomenon, industrial change, is meant to be a 
> > > communal effort.
> > > I saw that there are Requests For Comment which try to establish 
> > > protocols how things work best.
> > > My gripe with these bandwagon jumpers like gmail is the taking of 
> > > community concepts, monetising them and ignoring these RFCs.
> > > mick
> > > 
> > 
> 

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[Larry Martell]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM sp...@caiway.net  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The reason:
>
> I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society.
>
> This mailing list as example for how I learned. Thanks!
>
> Things go faster and better.
>
>
> All those commercial ones only have one goal: make more profit.
>
> Led by stupid managers with only $ $ eyes giving orders to developers.

So you are against people making profit for their labors?

Re: concerning gmail and that

[sp...@caiway.net]

On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:17:53 +0200
"sp...@caiway.net"  wrote:

> Google search:
> 
> I use 
> 
> https://searx.org
> 
> and you can switch of the google results.
> 
> Happy searching that way.
> 
> Arne
> 
> 
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:10:54 +0200
> "sp...@caiway.net"  wrote:
> 
> > Other examples:
> > 
> > 
> > The kapitalist know the medicine CBD is very healthy and very cheap.
> > 
> > So they are selling it for the highest price for the smallest dosis.
> > 
> > Even public health is used for profit.
> > 
> > Ukraine has plenty of CBD
> > 
Now, I'm off, in search of fair trade tomatoes.
I already found Fairtrade bananas, that cured me of my restless legs!


Arne

> > So they make war in Ukraine to prefend it entering the market too soon.
> > 
> > Ukraine
> > 
> > #
> > 
> > They still have vaccins to sell,
> > 
> > The Australian gouvernement and industrials are free from vacination 
> > obligation.
> > 
> > Doesn't that ring a bell?
> > 
> > Arne
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 23:14:44 +0100
> > mick crane  wrote:
> > 
> > > There was that Gernman guy who worked out how you could do images with a 
> > > 360 view
> > > and he was jumped on by copyright lawyers.
> > > This computer, internet phenomenon, industrial change, is meant to be a 
> > > communal effort.
> > > I saw that there are Requests For Comment which try to establish 
> > > protocols how things work best.
> > > My gripe with these bandwagon jumpers like gmail is the taking of 
> > > community concepts, monetising them and ignoring these RFCs.
> > > mick
> > > 
> > 
> 

Re: concerning gmail and that

[deboer007]

They even used cotton for mineral extraction from healhty individuals.

I can tell: hemp clothing is FAR more comfortable to wear.

The capitalists even used slavery for the profit.

And now they are even using a search engine google to help the rich in the 
medical world by making humanity sick.


Arne


On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:17:53 +0200
"sp...@caiway.net"  wrote:

> Google search:
> 
> I use 
> 
> https://searx.org
> 
> and you can switch of the google results.
> 
> Happy searching that way.
> 
> Arne
> 
> 
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:10:54 +0200
> "sp...@caiway.net"  wrote:
> 
> > Other examples:
> > 
> > 
> > The kapitalist know the medicine CBD is very healthy and very cheap.
> > 
> > So they are selling it for the highest price for the smallest dosis.
> > 
> > Even public health is used for profit.
> > 
> > Ukraine has plenty of CBD
> > 
> > So they make war in Ukraine to prefend it entering the market too soon.
> > 
> > Ukraine
> > 
> > #
> > 
> > They still have vaccins to sell,
> > 
> > The Australian gouvernement and industrials are free from vacination 
> > obligation.
> > 
> > Doesn't that ring a bell?
> > 
> > Arne
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 23:14:44 +0100
> > mick crane  wrote:
> > 
> > > There was that Gernman guy who worked out how you could do images with a 
> > > 360 view
> > > and he was jumped on by copyright lawyers.
> > > This computer, internet phenomenon, industrial change, is meant to be a 
> > > communal effort.
> > > I saw that there are Requests For Comment which try to establish 
> > > protocols how things work best.
> > > My gripe with these bandwagon jumpers like gmail is the taking of 
> > > community concepts, monetising them and ignoring these RFCs.
> > > mick
> > > 
> > 
> 

Re: 64 bit not 64

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 10:54:44PM +, bruce banter wrote:
>So on my computer when I am trying to install Debian 64 it keeps on
>telling me it cant do it and its because it’s a 32 bit program! Any
>reasoning why that might be?
> 
What is the specific error message you are getting?

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

64 bit not 64

[bruce banter]

So on my computer when I am trying to install Debian 64 it keeps on telling me 
it cant do it and its because it’s a 32 bit program! Any reasoning why that 
might be?

Sent from Mail for Windows

Re: concerning gmail and that

[sp...@caiway.net]

Google search:

I use 

https://searx.org

and you can switch of the google results.

Happy searching that way.

Arne


On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:10:54 +0200
"sp...@caiway.net"  wrote:

> Other examples:
> 
> 
> The kapitalist know the medicine CBD is very healthy and very cheap.
> 
> So they are selling it for the highest price for the smallest dosis.
> 
> Even public health is used for profit.
> 
> Ukraine has plenty of CBD
> 
> So they make war in Ukraine to prefend it entering the market too soon.
> 
> Ukraine
> 
> #
> 
> They still have vaccins to sell,
> 
> The Australian gouvernement and industrials are free from vacination 
> obligation.
> 
> Doesn't that ring a bell?
> 
> Arne
> 
> 
> On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 23:14:44 +0100
> mick crane  wrote:
> 
> > There was that Gernman guy who worked out how you could do images with a 
> > 360 view
> > and he was jumped on by copyright lawyers.
> > This computer, internet phenomenon, industrial change, is meant to be a 
> > communal effort.
> > I saw that there are Requests For Comment which try to establish 
> > protocols how things work best.
> > My gripe with these bandwagon jumpers like gmail is the taking of 
> > community concepts, monetising them and ignoring these RFCs.
> > mick
> > 
> 

Re: concerning gmail and that

[sp...@caiway.net]

Other examples:


The kapitalist know the medicine CBD is very healthy and very cheap.

So they are selling it for the highest price for the smallest dosis.

Even public health is used for profit.

Ukraine has plenty of CBD

So they make war in Ukraine to prefend it entering the market too soon.

Ukraine

#

They still have vaccins to sell,

The Australian gouvernement and industrials are free from vacination obligation.

Doesn't that ring a bell?

Arne


On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 23:14:44 +0100
mick crane  wrote:

> There was that Gernman guy who worked out how you could do images with a 
> 360 view
> and he was jumped on by copyright lawyers.
> This computer, internet phenomenon, industrial change, is meant to be a 
> communal effort.
> I saw that there are Requests For Comment which try to establish 
> protocols how things work best.
> My gripe with these bandwagon jumpers like gmail is the taking of 
> community concepts, monetising them and ignoring these RFCs.
> mick
> 

concerning gmail and that

[mick crane]

There was that Gernman guy who worked out how you could do images with a 
360 view

and he was jumped on by copyright lawyers.
This computer, internet phenomenon, industrial change, is meant to be a 
communal effort.
I saw that there are Requests For Comment which try to establish 
protocols how things work best.
My gripe with these bandwagon jumpers like gmail is the taking of 
community concepts, monetising them and ignoring these RFCs.

mick

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[sp...@caiway.net]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 17:07:32 -0400
Edwin Zimmerman  wrote:

> 
> > There will be always volunteers for learning/perfectioning a mailserver.
> >
> > Donations for the best mailserver in the world for example.
> As a sysadmin of a mailserver, I can tell you this would never be able to 
> compete on uptime, security, and features of gmail.
> 

rsync to every country for example

# uprecords
 #   Uptime | System Boot up
+---
 1   131 days, 03:28:53 | Linux 4.19.152Fri Mar 12 16:19:55 2021
 277 days, 18:00:15 | Linux 5.10.0-8-amd64  Tue Oct 12 02:00:22 2021
 371 days, 00:45:31 | Linux 5.10.0-8-amd64  Sun Jan  9 23:44:43 2022
 462 days, 05:55:04 | Linux 5.7.10-arne-t620q   Mon Aug  3 19:35:15 2020
 552 days, 07:34:58 | Linux 5.10.0-8-amd64  Fri Aug 20 18:25:01 2021
->   649 days, 16:57:39 | Linux 5.10.0-8-amd64  Sat Apr 16 06:23:31 2022
 734 days, 23:00:23 | Linux 4.19.152Sun Dec  6 18:30:36 2020
 834 days, 02:00:06 | Linux 4.19.152Mon Nov  2 16:03:18 2020
 929 days, 13:00:08 | Linux 4.19.0-6-amd64  Thu Nov 21 02:59:06 2019
1026 days, 15:55:15 | Linux 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-amd6  Fri Jun 26 00:46:57 2020
+---
1up in 2 days, 14:37:20 | atTue Jun  7 13:58:29 2022
no1 in81 days, 10:31:15 | atThu Aug 25 09:52:24 2022
up   946 days, 19:40:23 | since Wed Oct 30 18:46:50 2019
  down 1 day , 07:53:57 | since Wed Oct 30 18:46:50 2019
   %up   99.860 | since Wed Oct 30 18:46:50 2019

on the downtime: powerloss, experimenting, learning

on a thin client I keep a webserver running at home:

https://linuxmuseum.arnekai.net/

538Mb now

And now I am setting up buku server, I found another job of playing with 
debian/devuan

That is an example of working with volunteers

PS.

I could use some mirrors

keeping linux history is important

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[sp...@caiway.net]

Hi,

The reason:

I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society.

This mailing list as example for how I learned. Thanks!

Things go faster and better.


All those commercial ones only have one goal: make more profit.

Led by stupid managers with only $ $ eyes giving orders to developers.


Thanks,

have a nice day

Arne

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 16:29:18 -0400
wec  wrote:

> On 6/4/22 4:02 PM, sp...@caiway.net wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > My first mail provider (in Oslo) promised free mailadress for life.
> >
> > Then it was sold to a kapitalist and they started to ask money.
> >
> > I do not like that.
> >
> > I know it is possible to run a free host.
> >
> > By volunteers running the server for example.
> Why not you be the first volunteer???
> >
> >
> >
> > Arne
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:00:27 -0500
> > John Hasler  wrote:
> >
> >> Arne writes:
> >>> So I am also in the search for a good free provider.
> >> Why does it need to be free?
> 

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[Edwin Zimmerman]

> There will be always volunteers for learning/perfectioning a mailserver.
>
> Donations for the best mailserver in the world for example.
As a sysadmin of a mailserver, I can tell you this would never be able to 
compete on uptime, security, and features of gmail.

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[Alain D D Williams]

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 10:02:05PM +0200, sp...@caiway.net wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My first mail provider (in Oslo) promised free mailadress for life.
> 
> Then it was sold to a kapitalist and they started to ask money.
> 
> I do not like that.
> 
> I know it is possible to run a free host.
> 
> By volunteers running the server for example.

Oh - great ... please do us all a favour and set up a free host and give us
free addresses for life.

Thanks!

-- 
Alain Williams
Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT 
Lecturer.
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Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[wec]

On 6/4/22 4:02 PM, sp...@caiway.net wrote:


Hi,

My first mail provider (in Oslo) promised free mailadress for life.

Then it was sold to a kapitalist and they started to ask money.

I do not like that.

I know it is possible to run a free host.

By volunteers running the server for example.

Why not you be the first volunteer???




Arne


On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:00:27 -0500
John Hasler  wrote:


Arne writes:

So I am also in the search for a good free provider.

Why does it need to be free?

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[sp...@caiway.net]

On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 15:34:19 -0500
John Hasler  wrote:

> sp...@caiway.net writes:
> > I know it is possible to run a free host.
> > By volunteers running the server for example.
> 
> There are expenses.  Who pays them?


There will be always volunteers for learning/perfectioning a mailserver.

Donations for the best mailserver in the world for example.

IMHO

Arne

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[John Hasler]

sp...@caiway.net writes:
> I know it is possible to run a free host.
> By volunteers running the server for example.

There are expenses.  Who pays them?
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[sp...@caiway.net]

Hi,

My first mail provider (in Oslo) promised free mailadress for life.

Then it was sold to a kapitalist and they started to ask money.

I do not like that.

I know it is possible to run a free host.

By volunteers running the server for example.



Arne


On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:00:27 -0500
John Hasler  wrote:

> Arne writes:
> > So I am also in the search for a good free provider.
> 
> Why does it need to be free?

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/04/2022 01:50 PM, sp...@caiway.net wrote:
*SNIP*


So I am also in the search for a good free provider.



FREE COSTS *TOO MUCH*   

If you think Google et al are charities

 I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.

Re: ssh-agent: I want to start using on all my remote hosts

[Tom Browder]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 13:52 john doe  wrote:

> On 6/4/2022 8:28 PM, Tom Browder wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 10:02 Andy Smith  wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > You seem to be very reboot-happy. I recommend understanding the
> >> impact of the changes you will make instead of assuming you need to
> >> reboot to make them effective.
> >
> >
> > Andy. I know I'm "reboot happy," but it's lazyness (no other users at the
> > moment) and fading memory for little-used details.
> >
>
> At the very least, you should document what you do! :)


Actually I do and have my current ssh set up documented. And it includes
note on how to restart the ssh service. (I'm not even sure if ssh-agent was
around with the original ssh.)

If I recall correctly, you are setting up a server for production use,
> rebooting might not be an option  when this server is put in production.


As I said, I'm still the only user, and the droplet I'm experimenting with
boots up quickly at the moment (and it's not in production yet). So
lazyness reigns for now  ;-D

-Tom

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[John Hasler]

Arne writes:
> So I am also in the search for a good free provider.

Why does it need to be free?
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[sp...@caiway.net]

Hi,


IMO I would search for another mail account.

I use google mail only for sites where i expect SPAM.

Last time I checked google mail is some 3 years ago.


So I tried my provider's mail account.

There it is not possible to send to protonmail.
It has also no working web interface.

So I am also in the search for a good free provider.

Arne



On Wed, 11 May 2022 15:25:34 +0200
Fero Dali  wrote:

> I got a warning from google that my account will be discontinued.
> 
> > On May 30, you may lose access to apps that are using less secure sign-in
> > technology
> > To help keep your account secure, Google will no longer support the use of
> > third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your Google Account
> > using only your username and password. Instead, you’ll need to sign in
> > using Sign in with Google
> 
>  I have used a google account to read email from mailing lists. I am using
> fetchmail to get emails from google. Now it says it will discontinue this
> access to my mail. I do not want to use webmail (I need to receive my mail
> on my computer). Is there a way to somehow download emails from gmail
> as I used to after May 30?
> 
> Thanks
> 

Re: ssh-agent: I want to start using on all my remote hosts

[john doe]

On 6/4/2022 8:28 PM, Tom Browder wrote:

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 10:02 Andy Smith  wrote:
...

You seem to be very reboot-happy. I recommend understanding the

impact of the changes you will make instead of assuming you need to
reboot to make them effective.



Andy. I know I'm "reboot happy," but it's lazyness (no other users at the
moment) and fading memory for little-used details.



At the very least, you should document what you do! :)

If I recall correctly, you are setting up a server for production use,
rebooting might not be an option  when this server is put in production.

--
John Doe

Re: Alcatel Linkzone sold by T-Mobile, labeled "4G LTE HotSpot

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/04/2022 01:03 PM, mick crane wrote:

On 2022-06-04 18:11, Richard Owlett wrote:

I am using an Alcatel Linkzone sold by T-Mobile.

Presume T-mobile is your carrier ?



Yepp *ROFL*
But I'm trying to investigate
a hardware (e.g. Alcatel)
  vs. software (e.g.Debian)   problem.
*NOT* a carrier problem.


I'm way past "three score and ten".
Spent ~3 decades in engineering/engineering support/cust service
I recognize hardware vs software even if I'm mostly analog *grin*

Re: ssh-agent: I want to start using on all my remote hosts

[Tom Browder]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 10:02 Andy Smith  wrote:
...

You seem to be very reboot-happy. I recommend understanding the
> impact of the changes you will make instead of assuming you need to
> reboot to make them effective.


Andy. I know I'm "reboot happy," but it's lazyness (no other users at the
moment) and fading memory for little-used details.

But I do appreciate your help.

-Tom

Re: Alcatel Linkzone sold by T-Mobile, labeled "4G LTE HotSpot

[mick crane]

On 2022-06-04 18:11, Richard Owlett wrote:

I am using an Alcatel Linkzone sold by T-Mobile.

Presume T-mobile is your carrier ?

mick

Re: upgraded dddprint, my 3d printer driver today, to bullseye, but its main job isn't working.

[mick crane]

On 2022-06-04 18:25, gene heskett wrote:


But whats with lightdm?
Better yet, where is the blanker configurer?  I don't see any likely
culprits in the applications menu's.


Then I did find it,under power managment. Logical I guess but since
driving a 3d printer can be a several day task, I turned it all to 
never.


But it would be nice if I could enable it and it actually worked. On
buster it worked as desired, dependably.


I have similar issue with bookworm, lightdm, Xfce. thing will blank and 
become unresponsive.
Think it might be the power management of the monitor v the OS power 
manager.


mick.

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[tomas]

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the app-specific
> setting.
> 
> > They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship.
> > 
> 
> I'm glad to have my Alpine still. we'll see.

I wasn't thinking of Alpine when I wrote "sinking ship" ;-)

Alpine is free software. Free software never sinks ;-) ;-)

Cheers
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Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[tomas]

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 04:39:39PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:

[...]

> the furniture, Gentlemen, mind the furniture!

That one's good :-)

Thanks for a hearty laugh!

Cheers
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Re: Alcatel Linkzone sold by T-Mobile, labeled "4G LTE HotSpot

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 12:11:33PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I am using an Alcatel Linkzone sold by T-Mobile.
> It is labeled "4G LTE HotSpot.
> The WiFi has been turned off via the device's setup menu.
> 
> Is anyone on this list using that device? ??  ;}
> 

Hi Richard,

>From the previous threads on the list: I suspect very few, if any, are.

Most of them will probably be using it as a portable hotspot: carry
it into a hotel room or whatever and use the WiFi it provides rather
than trust the hotel. I suspect that your antipathy to networking
and WiFi is unusual for users of this device.   

> 
> I am trying to install Debian 11.3
>   [requires non-free firmware]
> 
> I have succeeded. *ROFL* ;/
>   *BUT* I'm trying to document encountered problems.
> 

Report a bug against installation reports - or at least use the template
to tell us what's actually problematic.

> I'm developing a test procedure to be the basis of a "bug report".
> 

Can you document it here: does it absolutely require an Alcatel LinkZone
to check it?

> I am looking for a fellow Linkzone user to be a QC checkpoint.
> 
> Takers &/or comments.
> TIA
> 
>

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater 

Re: upgraded dddprint, my 3d printer driver today, to bullseye, but its main job isn't working.

[gene heskett]

On Saturday, 4 June 2022 13:02:35 EDT gene heskett wrote:
> On Saturday, 4 June 2022 11:37:34 EDT mick crane wrote:
> > On 2022-06-04 16:13, gene heskett wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > > 
> > >> From firmware 11-3 netinstall. On a Dell with an i5 and 16Gigs of
> > >> memory.
> > > 
> > > 2nd machine I've bullseye'd. Half a T SSD drive, your basic one
> > > pony
> > > show.
> > > 
> > > 1. It can't access the 3d printer, but shows it as /dev/ttyACM0 in
> > > dmesg.
> > > cura-5.0 isn't too voluable about why. How do I set that up? Worked
> > > fine
> > > on buster, for older cura.
> > 
> > bearing in mind I don't know what I'm doing,
> > in
> > https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgra
> > di ng.en.html it says you can type "dpkg --audit"
> > To see the status of packages. Dunno if that is helpful.
> > 
> > mick
> 
> But now I have bigger problem. Screen blanker kicked in, turned off the
> monitor and nothing I can do from its own buttons, or from several
> powerdown reboots, will bring it back to life. but machine is fine,
> I'm ssh'd into it, and have it mounted by sshfs as if its normal.
> 
> And this is even weirder, I came in here to compose this message, and
> went back to it, and its alive again, but would not accept my login pw
> until I had clicked on my name, erased it and 2 blanks in front of it,
> then entered my pw twice.  This is lightdm for xfce. I did fix the
> printer access by adding me to the dialout group. And it looks like the
> printer is working.
> 
> But whats with lightdm?
> Better yet, where is the blanker configurer?  I don't see any likely
> culprits in the applications menu's.
> 
Then I did find it,under power managment. Logical I guess but since 
driving a 3d printer can be a several day task, I turned it all to never.

But it would be nice if I could enable it and it actually worked. On 
buster it worked as desired, dependably.

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[Felmon Davis]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:


On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 03:45:00PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:




I do think Google et al. sometimes make pronouncements and then don't get
off their ass ('arse' if you prefer) - that how committees work with (or
against) other committees.


I think they do constant A/B testing. Perhaps they have a built-in feedback
loop (increase B if A loses less than a given fraction or something).


for now, I still have Alpine with the app-specific setting.


I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the 
app-specific setting.



They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship.



I'm glad to have my Alpine still. we'll see.

fjd


--
Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

Alcatel Linkzone sold by T-Mobile, labeled "4G LTE HotSpot

[Richard Owlett]

I am using an Alcatel Linkzone sold by T-Mobile.
It is labeled "4G LTE HotSpot.
The WiFi has been turned off via the device's setup menu.

Is anyone on this list using that device? ??  ;}


I am trying to install Debian 11.3
  [requires non-free firmware]

I have succeeded. *ROFL* ;/
  *BUT* I'm trying to document encountered problems.

I'm developing a test procedure to be the basis of a "bug report".

I am looking for a fellow Linkzone user to be a QC checkpoint.

Takers &/or comments.
TIA

Re: upgraded dddprint, my 3d printer driver today, to bullseye, but its main job isn't working.

[gene heskett]

On Saturday, 4 June 2022 11:37:34 EDT mick crane wrote:
> On 2022-06-04 16:13, gene heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> > 
> >> From firmware 11-3 netinstall. On a Dell with an i5 and 16Gigs of
> >> memory.
> > 
> > 2nd machine I've bullseye'd. Half a T SSD drive, your basic one pony
> > show.
> > 
> > 1. It can't access the 3d printer, but shows it as /dev/ttyACM0 in
> > dmesg.
> > cura-5.0 isn't too voluable about why. How do I set that up? Worked
> > fine
> > on buster, for older cura.
> 
> bearing in mind I don't know what I'm doing,
> in
> https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgradi
> ng.en.html it says you can type "dpkg --audit"
> To see the status of packages. Dunno if that is helpful.
> 
> mick

But now I have bigger problem. Screen blanker kicked in, turned off the 
monitor and nothing I can do from its own buttons, or from several 
powerdown reboots, will bring it back to life. but machine is fine, I'm 
ssh'd into it, and have it mounted by sshfs as if its normal.

And this is even weirder, I came in here to compose this message, and 
went back to it, and its alive again, but would not accept my login pw 
until I had clicked on my name, erased it and 2 blanks in front of it, 
then entered my pw twice.  This is lightdm for xfce. I did fix the 
printer access by adding me to the dialout group. And it looks like the 
printer is working.

But whats with lightdm?
Better yet, where is the blanker configurer?  I don't see any likely 
culprits in the applications menu's.

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: previsions meteofrance en format ouvert (JSON?)

[kaliderus]

Bonjour,

> Le 01/06/2022 à 08:18, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit :
>
> Bonjour,
>
> bjr
>
>
> Existe-t-il des previsions meteofrance (pour l'Île de France) accessibles 
> gratuitement dans un format ouvert (JSON, XML, ) et documenté?
>
>
> De préférence gratuite, ou à faible coût.

J'envisagerai 2 approches :
- contacter directement Météo France (évidemment pas gratuit)
- certains sites proposent la copie des METAR/TAF (dans le domaine de
l'aviation) en libre service (tu peux les récupérer assez facilement)
et les messages sont simples à parser/comprendre, et tout est
parfaitement documenté
pour une astuce pas très officielle me contacter en privé ;-)

Bon courage

Re: Apache2 Configuration Problem

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 16:31:15 + (UTC)
"ldmko...@yahoo.com"  wrote:

> My overall goal is to create an internal web site to display my many
> thousands of pictures..  To do this I need to be able to read
> directories and display their contents.

May I suggest one of several programs designed to do exactly that. I
have used album, and there are others. One thing I like about album is
that it generates static HTML pages.

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: upgraded dddprint, my 3d printer driver today, to bullseye, but its main job isn't working.

[mick crane]

On 2022-06-04 16:13, gene heskett wrote:

Greetings all;

From firmware 11-3 netinstall. On a Dell with an i5 and 16Gigs of 
memory.

2nd machine I've bullseye'd. Half a T SSD drive, your basic one pony
show.

1. It can't access the 3d printer, but shows it as /dev/ttyACM0 in 
dmesg.
cura-5.0 isn't too voluable about why. How do I set that up? Worked 
fine

on buster, for older cura.


bearing in mind I don't know what I'm doing,
in 
https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html

it says you can type "dpkg --audit"
To see the status of packages. Dunno if that is helpful.

mick

upgraded dddprint, my 3d printer driver today, to bullseye, but its main job isn't working.

[gene heskett]

Greetings all;

>From firmware 11-3 netinstall. On a Dell with an i5 and 16Gigs of memory.
2nd machine I've bullseye'd. Half a T SSD drive, your basic one pony 
show.
 
1. It can't access the 3d printer, but shows it as /dev/ttyACM0 in dmesg.
cura-5.0 isn't too voluable about why. How do I set that up? Worked fine 
on buster, for older cura.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: ssh-agent: I want to start using on all my remote hosts

[Andy Smith]

Hello,

On Fri, Jun 03, 2022 at 09:43:53AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
> 1. Will starting the ssh-agent service interfere with my current ssh login
> (using keys with NO passhrase).

It only matters at the point of authentication, so existing SSH
sessions will not be affected.

> 2. Is there anything to do to start the service other than:
> 
> edit file /etc/ssh/sshd_config to uncomment
> 
> #AllowAgentForwarding yes

The directive you are proposing to uncomment defaults to "yes", so
you need not make any change.

> reboot

You seem to be very reboot-happy. I recommend understanding the
impact of the changes you will make instead of assuming you need to
reboot to make them effective.

In this case you do not need to make a change to your sshd's config,
but if you *did*, it would only be affecting sshd not anything else
on the system. So you'd only need to restart sshd.

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: ssh-agent: I want to start using on all my remote hosts

[Andy Smith]

Hello,

On Fri, Jun 03, 2022 at 09:52:26AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
> And edit file /etc/ssh/ssh_config to change
> 
> # ForwardAgent no
> 
> to
> 
> ForwardAgent yes
> 
> Then reboot.

This is a config file for the ssh client, i.e. the "ssh" command.
As such it's read every time you run ssh and you do not need to
reboot the system after changing its configuration.

Also, the file you mention is the system-wide configuration file,
but the change can also be made on a per-user basis by editing
~/.ssh/config.

Cheers,
Andy

-- 
https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[Felmon Davis]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:


On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 02:24:16PM -, Curt wrote:

On 2022-06-04,   wrote:







Bullshit.


Famous last word.



I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your
dime-a-dozen opinions.


This might be due to your short-sightedness. Or not.


the furniture, Gentlemen, mind the furniture!

we have an announcement of Google's intent. let's see if they carry it 
out. and if they follow through, there is a work-around which rhkramer 
and others have used.


I'm kinda thinking they are wrangling among themselves. but we don't 
have to.


fjd

--
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Verbum sat sapienti.

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[tomas]

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 02:24:16PM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-06-04,   wrote:
> >
> >> >
> 
> >> Bullshit.
> >
> > Famous last word.
> >
> 
> I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your
> dime-a-dozen opinions.

This might be due to your short-sightedness. Or not.

Cheers
-- 
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Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[Curt]

On 2022-06-04,   wrote:
>
>> >

>> Bullshit.
>
> Famous last word.
>

I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your
dime-a-dozen opinions.

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[Curt]

On 2022-06-04, Brad Rogers  wrote:
>
>>Bullshit.
>>
> Well!
>
> What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently
> put explanation.
>
> I'm convinced.
>


That's what's missing from *your* affirmation and the very reason it is
pure bullshit.

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[tomas]

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 03:45:00PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, Brad Rogers wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:50:55 - (UTC)
> > Curt  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Curt,
> > 
> > > Bullshit.
> > > 
> > Well!
> > 
> > What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently
> > put explanation.
> > 
> > I'm convinced.
> > 
> > 
> 
> not his usual stylistic savoir-faire but who cares? we'll soon know what's
> going on.
> 
> I do think Google et al. sometimes make pronouncements and then don't get
> off their ass ('arse' if you prefer) - that how committees work with (or
> against) other committees.

I think they do constant A/B testing. Perhaps they have a built-in feedback
loop (increase B if A loses less than a given fraction or something).

> for now, I still have Alpine with the app-specific setting.

They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship.

;-P

Cheers
-- 
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Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[Felmon Davis]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, Brad Rogers wrote:


On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:50:55 - (UTC)
Curt  wrote:

Hello Curt,


Bullshit.


Well!

What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently
put explanation.

I'm convinced.




not his usual stylistic savoir-faire but who cares? we'll soon know 
what's going on.


I do think Google et al. sometimes make pronouncements and then don't 
get off their ass ('arse' if you prefer) - that how committees work 
with (or against) other committees.


for now, I still have Alpine with the app-specific setting.

fjd

--
Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

Fwd: [LN] Richard Stallman / Samedi 4 juin (Paris, visio)

[firenze . rt]

 Message transféré 
Sujet : [LN] Richard Stallman / Samedi 4 juin (Paris, visio)
Date : Fri, 3 Jun 2022 10:08:55 +0200
De : STF 
Répondre à : linux-nan...@univ-nantes.fr
Pour : Liste de diffusion de Linux-Nantes 

Bonjour

L'association Libre en Communs (a-lec.org) organise une conférence
avec Richard Stallman.

L'événement se tiendra à Paris le samedi 4 juin 2022 (demain !), de 15h 
à 18h, à l'Espace Vinci et sera retransmit en direct :


https://video.chalec.org/w/5Y338qZDJvBakEDmoY4jDe

Tous les détails sont ici :

https://www.a-lec.org/libre-en-conf-04062022-richard-stallman-libertes-du-logiciel-et-du-materiel.html

Pour info Stallman parle très bien français ;-)

Bonne journée

STF

Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[Brad Rogers]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:50:55 - (UTC)
Curt  wrote:

Hello Curt,

>Bullshit.
>
Well!

What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently
put explanation.

I'm convinced.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )  "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
/ _)rad   "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
You destroyed my confidence, you broke my nerve
Nervous Wreck - Radio Stars


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Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[tomas]

On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 11:50:55AM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-06-02, Brad Rogers  wrote:
> >
> > Expect access from anything other than google's own web interface to go
> > away at some point in the future.
> >
> 
> Bullshit.

Famous last word.

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Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

[Curt]

On 2022-06-02, Brad Rogers  wrote:
>
> Expect access from anything other than google's own web interface to go
> away at some point in the future.
>

Bullshit.

Re: (cmake) Could NOT find LibSoup: Found unsuitable version "" ...

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On 03/06/2022 18:51, Albretch Mueller wrote:

On 6/3/22, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI  wrote:

Debian has debug symbols for most (if not all) packages, but they're in
a different repository. See
https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace#Installing_the_debugging_symbols


   Are you saying that debian keeps "instrumented" binary versions of
their packages ready for debugging!? I checked and it doesn't seem to
be the case (and/or I am making some mistake)


No. It has, in that repository, packages with only the symbols, that gdb 
can then use, as if the executables and libraries had debug symbols 
included. gdb should be already set up to automatically find the symbols 
in the locations that the -dbg[sym] packages install them.



$ apt-cache search webkit2 dbg
$

$ apt-cache search webkit dbg
python3-pyqt5.qtwebchannel-dbg - Python 3 bindings for Qt5's
Webchannel module (debug extension)
python3-pyqt5.qtwebkit-dbg - Python 3 bindings for Qt5's WebKit module
(debug extensions)
$

$ sudo apt install webkit-dbgsym
...
E: Unable to locate package webkit-dbgsym

$ sudo apt install webkit2-dbgsym
...
E: Unable to locate package webkit2-dbgsym
$
  lbrtchx



You have python installed, which is an extra complication layer (and one 
about which I know very little).


But for debugging C/C++ programs, you'd need to find the package that 
contains the actual library you want debugged, and install the 
corresponding -dbgsym package. Hint: library packages are name 
lib. For example, there's


libqt5webkit5 - Web content engine library for Qt
libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 - Web content engine library for GTK

... and others (and other versions). Unfortunately, I don't use Webkit 
or Python, so can't help much more here. But look for installed packages 
related to webkit, and search for the corresponding -dbgsym packages. 
Note that probably there won't be -dbgsym packages for the python 
bindings, since these are just python code, not object files (libraries, 
executables).


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Re: Mise à jour ou installation complète

[l0f4r0]

Bonjour,

27 mai 2022, 17:20 de jber...@free.fr:

> Je suis étonné qu'il n'existe pas un utilitaire de sauvegarde globale, avec 
> quelques consignes simples de sauvegarde et de restauration, qui permette de 
> faire une sauvegarde fiable sans être un spécialiste de rsync et cp, 
> exactement comme dans la fameuse consigne "commence par sauvegarder tes 
> données".
>
Je ne crois pas que quelqu'un en ait parlé jusqu'à présent : clonezilla live 
(https://clonezilla.org + https://sourceforge.net/projects/clonezilla/).
Il s'agit d'une mini-distribution GNU/Linux Debian de clonage bit à bit 
(partition ou disque entier).

L'idée est d'installer la distribution sur un CD ou clé USB (cf. instructions 
sur https://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live.php), de redémarrer son ordinateur 
puis de booter dessus (d'où "live" dans le nom).

Une série d'écrans prend alors l'utilisateur par la main pour sauvegarder, 
vérifier une sauvegarde ou restaurer.
Pas mal d'options disponibles (compression, chiffrement, sauvegarde du MBR/GPT, 
morcellement de la sauvegarde en plusieurs fichiers...).
L'outil sait détecter les LVM v2 et LUKS.
Clonezilla reconnait nativement un paquet de systèmes de fichiers ce qui lui 
permet de sauvegarder uniquement les bits utilisés à la différence de `dd`.
Une fois ses options correctement paramétrées, il est possible de lancer une 
unique commande les prochaines fois pour s'épargner les différentes étapes et 
éventuelles erreurs de sélections.

Pour le cas présent de l'OP, cette méthode de clonage peut être une solution 
(sauvegarde intégrale du disque qui génèrera un fichier par partition). Comme 
ça, l'OP n'aura qu'à restaurer si pépin lors de l'upgrade de sa Debian.

Attention juste de bien avoir un disque de sauvegarde de taille suffisante par 
rapport aux partitions à sauvegarder...

NB : sinon pour une sauvegarde plus orientée fichiers de données, par rapport 
aux échanges précédents autour de `cp`, `rsync`..., perso j'utilise `borg` 
(https://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/en/stable 
) et j'en suis satisfait. 
L'outil permet le chiffrement et la déduplication notamment.

Bonne journée,
l0f4r0

Re: Apache2 Configuration Problem

[IL Ka]

Remove mod_python
$ sudo apt purge libapache2-mod-python

no reason to use it in 2022.

Frankly, I see no reason to use apache for python either: I recommend
python application server (gunicorn or uwsgi) and light frontend like nginx
or lighthttpd to terminate HTTPS and serve static files.
You can connect them using FastCGI or HTTP.


On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 7:56 PM ldmko...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

> I wanted to try and use Python in my HTML pages.  And apparently I have
> screwed up my Apache2 configuration in the process.
>
> I now get :
>
> [Fri Jun 03 12:42:41.002183 2022] [wsgi:crit] [pid 31238] mod_wsgi
> (pid=31238): The mod_python module can not be used in conjunction with
> mod_wsgi 4.0+. Remove the mod_python module from the Apache configuration.
> AH00016: Configuration Failed
>
> when I try to restart/start Apache2.
>
> I cannot find the "mod_python module" in my .conf files.  Any suggestions
> or pointers will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks...
>

Re: Pataquès dans les dépôts et leur clés

[l0f4r0]

Hello Dominique,

Je n'ai pas vu de suite aux échanges. As-tu pu résoudre tes soucis de clés 
depuis ?

Sinon, je te recommande de nous fournir le retour des commandes suivantes :

ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d
file /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/*
apt-key list
cat /etc/apt/sources.list
ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/

Bonne journée,l0f4r0

Re: grep: show matching line from pattern file

[DdB]

Hello,

of course, there are different ways to solve this, i like the perl
approach. Only since i myself am not all that familiar with the
language, i'd like to add 2 pointers:
(M)AWK scripting language can do similar things (read syslog once, loop
over regular expressions and output anything you want about it).
But if you can live with calling egrep repeatedly, i would suggest GNU
parallel, which works similar to xargs, only a much enhanced version of
it, using sevral cores in parallel by default but also handling the
commandline in a much improved way (special syntax, so to speak). It
allows coding your request as a one-liner, i am certain, but probably
not as effective, as perl or awk would have been.
BTW: GNU parallel is in debian repos, but a quite outdated version of it.

Have fun, DdB