Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Fri 10 Jun 2022 at 08:44:22 (+), Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 07:53:20PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 18:49:40 EDT Andy Smith wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 05:15:28PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > So 26th reinstall attempt, following David's instructs to do an ssh > > > > from another machine to install > > > > > > So can we see the copy and paste of this first screen that you have > > > a problem with? > > yes, the list server for debian-user see's the attachment and apparently > > sends the whole msg to /dev/null. Neither msg has come back in aound 6 > > hours. > > > > > > > So, how to I do a text copy/paste from that .png so I can insert the > > > > cogent parts of the text in an email msg? > > > > > > I recommend not doing that at all and going with the text mode over > > > SSH, because you are never going to be able to get non-text > > > attachments to this list and it just seems harder in general. > > > > > Thats what I thought I was doing, by opening a konsole on the client > > machine, but when I saved the screenshot, it was a png. x was running on > > the client machine, so there needs to be a method to make it text also. > > The installer was started in expert text mode, but ssh apparently > > overrides that somehow when it finds x running on the client. Should I > > have been running the client w/o x or wayland? I am not even sure how to > > switch vt's away from x to whatever #2 or #3 is called. > > > Ctrl-alt-F1, F2 I think Keystrokes like these are appropriate both for a locally running graphical installer, and for an installation running X (can't speak for Wayland), but not for the combination of a text installer on a target machine being controlled from a client running X. You can run the installer and several shells on the target machine from the client, without requiring any unusual interactions beyond what you normally do when you run X. But I can't tell Gene the individual keystrokes and mouse movements to make, as he's using weird things like TDE, konsole, and kmail, that I've never seen or used. > Part of this at least is why I suggested using text mode install directly > on the machine if you could. AFAIK, there's no way of recording the screens if you use text mode locally, rather than remotely. Hence the instructions I have been posting. However, it's difficult to write those instructions for someone to follow when it appears that they have forgotten how to cut and paste text from a terminal screen into a file or an editor's buffer, or think that you can cut and paste from a PNG. > Graphical expert mode would probably work as well and you could save the > screenshots but I prefer completely text mode to be sure not to load > problematic graphics. But using screenshots then opens a debate on where they are stored, why they disappear when posted here, how big they are, which software to use to reduce their size, how to use pastebins (and whether people will bother to look at them when not inline), and how to quote them. As I've been installing Debian in text mode since the days when the d-i's part 1 came on five floppies, I've never felt the need. I just tried an 11.3 i386 netinst USB stick on an old Acer laptop, selected graphical expert mode, and got a text screen. Memory limitation (512MB) I suppose, or it doesn't like the graphics card (Radeon). Cheers, David.
Re: which X11 app can show wifi info
On Fri 10 Jun 2022 at 22:02:11 (-0400), a wrote: > Sorry, David Wright, i receive your mail late because mail provider > blocks or deletes your mail without informing me > > i use ifup/ifdown to manage wifi connection That suggest that wpa_supplicant is actually managing the connection. > i prefer small app for X Window I don't know of an app to do that. This command should tell you what you need to know: # wpa_cli status That shoud give you the SSID, the MACs at each end, and so on. > i might be unable to receive your future mail > > reply to list so that i might use list archives to read your reply All my posts go solely to the list. Cheers, David.
Re: which X11 app can show wifi info
Sorry, David Wright, i receive your mail late because mail provider blocks or deletes your mail without informing me i use ifup/ifdown to manage wifi connection i prefer small app for X Window i might be unable to receive your future mail reply to list so that i might use list archives to read your reply
Re: OT: Bash: what is eval doing here?
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 at 01:57, Kamil Jońca wrote: > rhkra...@gmail.com writes: > > In my (seemingly unending) quest to understand ssh, I've come across a > > document that calls for running =eval 'ssh-agent'= from a command line. > > > > I wondered why, as I thought I would get the same result from just running > > =ssh-agent=, but the results are different -- see below: $ help eval eval: eval [arg ...] Execute arguments as a shell command. Combine ARGs into a single string, use the result as input to the shell, and execute the resulting commands. Exit Status: Returns exit status of command or success if command is null. $
Re: Reporting Bugs Against the Debian Website
On Fri 10 Jun 2022 at 19:38:22 +, Jonathan Wiebe wrote: > I need a pointer as to how to file a bug against the Debian website. File against www.debian.org. -- Brian.
Re: Recommendations for data layout in case of multiple machines (Was: Re: trying to install bullseye for about 25th time)
Hello, On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 06:30:18PM +0200, Linux-Fan wrote: > Andy Smith writes: > > It's a way of working that's served me well for about 25 years. It's > > hard to imagine going back to having data spread all over the place. > > What do you use as your file server? Is it running 24/7 or started as needed? Just another Debian machine, which does run all the time. I realise that is not an option for everyone and is probably a big / excessive step for someone who only has one machine. At first I only did it because I'm a nerd. Over time, lots more machines and lots more uses for the things on the fileserver. Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Reporting Bugs Against the Debian Website
I need a pointer as to how to file a bug against the Debian website. The following webpages all contain the text: The second set of tags indicate what releases a bug applies to: O for oldstable (jessie), S for stable (stretch), T for testing (buster), U for unstable (sid) or E for experimental. The text should be: The second set of tags indicate what releases a bug applies to: O for oldstable (buster), S for stable (bullseye), T for testing (bookworm), U for unstable (sid) or E for experimental. Pages containing this text: - https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html - https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/stable.html - https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html - and possibly others. -- Jonathan Wiebe "Get thy vaccine." --Matt 22:39 publickey - jonathan.b.wiebe@proton.me - 0x835A0CE0.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Recommendations for data layout in case of multiple machines (Was: Re: trying to install bullseye for about 25th time)
Andy Smith writes: Hello, On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 11:30:26AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > For Gene, he could conceivably just rename the RAID setup that he has > mounted > under /home to some new top level mountpoint. (Although he probably has > some > scripts or similar stuff that looks for stuff in /home/ that > would > need to be modifed. For anyone with a number of machines, like Gene, there is a lot to be said for having one be in the role of file server. - One place to have a ton of storage, which isn't a usual role for a simple desktop daily driver machine. I have always wondered about this. Back when I bought a new PC I got that suggestion, too (cf. thread at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/10/msg00037.html). All things considered, I ended up with _one_ workstation to address desktop and storage uses together for the main reason that whenever I work on my "daily driver". I also need the files hence either power on and maintain two machines all of the time vs. having just one machine for the purpose? - One place to back up. - Access from anywhere you want. - Easier to keep your other machines up to date without worrying about all the precious data on your fileserver. Blow them away completely if you like. Be more free to experiment. These points make a lot of sense and that is basically how I am operating, too. One central keeper of data and multiple satellite machines :) I factor out backups to some extent in order to explicitly store copies across multiple machines and some of them "offline" as to resist modern threats of "data encryption trojans". Also, I have been following rhkramer's suggestion of storing important data outside of /home and I can tell it has served me well. My main consideration for doing this is to separate automatically generated program data (such as .cache, .wine and other typical $HOME inhabitants) from _my_ actual data. I still backup selected parts of $HOME e.g. the ~/.mozilla directory for Firefox settings etc. It's a way of working that's served me well for about 25 years. It's hard to imagine going back to having data spread all over the place. What do you use as your file server? Is it running 24/7 or started as needed? Thanks in advance Linux-Fan öö [...] pgptZmlQKdJhL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Bash: what is eval doing here?
On 2022-06-10 at 11:25, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > In my (seemingly unending) quest to understand ssh, I've come across a > document that calls for running =eval 'ssh-agent'= from a command line. Note that here you have 'ssh-agent', with single-quotes AKA apostrophes... > I wondered why, as I thought I would get the same result from just running > =ssh-agent=, but the results are different -- see below: > > $ eval `ssh-agent` ...but here you have `ssh-agent`, with backticks. Backticks are an older syntax for "run this command in a subshell, and put the output of that command in this place on the command line, before running the rest of this command". The newer syntax for the same thing is $(). > Agent pid 23929 > > $ ssh-agent > SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-uLqQ9VWX0RL7/agent.23932; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK; > SSH_AGENT_PID=23933; export SSH_AGENT_PID; > echo Agent pid 23933; > > Can anybody on here explain what is going on / why? Because of the subshell effect, what this effectively does is run the commands that got printed by running ssh-agent, as Loïc Grenié already indicated. (There's also considerations involving the semicolons and the fact that eval explicitly combines its arguments into one string before treating them as commands to be run by the shell, but I don't have my head fully around those yet, so I'm not going to try to explain them. It seems to produce intuitive and useful behavior, in any case.) -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OT: Bash: what is eval doing here?
rhkra...@gmail.com writes: > In my (seemingly unending) quest to understand ssh, I've come across a > document that calls for running =eval 'ssh-agent'= from a command line. > > I wondered why, as I thought I would get the same result from just running > =ssh-agent=, but the results are different -- see below: > > $ eval `ssh-agent` > Agent pid 23929 > > $ ssh-agent > SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-uLqQ9VWX0RL7/agent.23932; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK; > SSH_AGENT_PID=23933; export SSH_AGENT_PID; > echo Agent pid 23933; > > Can anybody on here explain what is going on / why? ssh-agents prints details about its config (i.e. where ssh should search authentication agent) - and thats all. (these are SSH_AUTH_SOCK et al.) eval `` in turn takes these statements and try to evaluate them (i.e. creates these two variables in environment) as an example try --8<---cut here---start->8--- $echo "KJONCA_VAR=this_is_test" $set | grep KJONCA $eval $(echo "KJONCA_VAR=this_is_test") $set |grep KJONCA --8<---cut here---end--->8--- KJ -- http://stopstopnop.pl/stop_stopnop.pl_o_nas.html
Re: OT: Bash: what is eval doing here?
On Fri June 10th 2022 at 17:26, wrote: > In my (seemingly unending) quest to understand ssh, I've come across a > document that calls for running =eval 'ssh-agent'= from a command line. > > I wondered why, as I thought I would get the same result from just running > =ssh-agent=, but the results are different -- see below: > > $ eval `ssh-agent` > Agent pid 23929 > > $ ssh-agent > SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-uLqQ9VWX0RL7/agent.23932; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK; > SSH_AGENT_PID=23933; export SSH_AGENT_PID; > echo Agent pid 23933; > > Can anybody on here explain what is going on / why? > The command "ssh-agent" returns 3 lines. The "eval `ssh-agent`" command makes bash (or any other sh-compatible shell) runs those three lines as if they had been typed. Hence it defines two variables (SSH_AUTH_SOCK and SSH_AGENT_PID) and prints "Agent pid 23933". Greetings, Loïc
OT: Bash: what is eval doing here?
In my (seemingly unending) quest to understand ssh, I've come across a document that calls for running =eval 'ssh-agent'= from a command line. I wondered why, as I thought I would get the same result from just running =ssh-agent=, but the results are different -- see below: $ eval `ssh-agent` Agent pid 23929 $ ssh-agent SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-uLqQ9VWX0RL7/agent.23932; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK; SSH_AGENT_PID=23933; export SSH_AGENT_PID; echo Agent pid 23933; Can anybody on here explain what is going on / why?
Re: which X11 app can show wifi info
On Friday, 10 Jun 2022 at 06:33, a wrote: > nm-applet seems to be part of gnome I guess it does; I never checked as it runs fine with stumpwm but I probably have gnome dependencies installed. Sorry for the noise. -- Eric S Fraga via gnus (Emacs 29.0.50 2022-06-07) on Debian 11.3
Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Friday, 10 June 2022 02:45:20 EDT gene heskett wrote: > On Friday, 10 June 2022 00:45:19 EDT David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 09 Jun 2022 at 23:59:06 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:13:53 EDT mick crane wrote: > > > > On 2022-06-09 22:15, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > Posted once as the original .png of 81k, that didn't get thru > > > > > the > > > > > server, > > > > > then I loaed it up in gimp and smunched it down to about 51k, > > > > > ugly > > > > > but > > > > > still readable, and thats not made it thru the server either. > > > > > > > > Screenshot_1.jpg(~61 KB) was attached to your previous mail. > > > > Noticed as you say that 3 disks were scsi7. > > > > > > That screenshot never came back to here. > > > > Is that perhaps because you sent it? (One of the big complaints about > > some MUAs and some email providers.) > > The second one did come back so I assume it was seen but kmails ability > to find your own echo's in a mailing list folder are definitly not its > strong point. The scroll scrolls too far per click, going right on by > your posts echos. Pretty high torr rating for that suckage. ;o(> > > > In the meantime, I have > > > partitioned and formatted that new drive as ext4, gpt partition > > > with > > > gparted, the whole drive, then printed the info for it from fdisk, > > > which give the UUID's, 2 different ones, so which should I see in > > > the d-i partitioner, the type-UUID or just the UUID, they are > > > different numbers, fdisk's info also shows the label as Name: > > > slash26, and its is currently /dev/sdd1, but who knows what it > > > might > > > be to the installer? I'll plug in the drive with the d-i in it, and > > > retry right now. > > > > I don't recall seeing UUIDs in the d-i, perhaps because they're so > > long. I usually see the entries from /dev/disk/by-id/, or part > > thereof. > There weren't any, but dmesg from another shell allowed me to ID the > proper drive. So it now has a 1 partition install on it that won't > boot. boot flag is set. And me is puzzled. boot files too far into the > drive maybe? > Based on that theory, I may repartition that drive with a 4gig /boot and the rest as one big / one, I have run into that a few times before. > Thanks David. > > > But bear in mind that /dev/disk/ can be fully listed by the d-i from > > the very start, by switching to a shell on Alt-F2/3. > > > > Cheers, > > David. > > > > . > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: vagrant + libvirt = OK
On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 10:11:42PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
> Hoi,
>
> Mijn eerste expirement met de combinatie Vagrant en Libvirt is geen
> succes, ik hoop reacties "works for me" te krijgen.
Bij mij doet het het gewoon
> Zowel vagrant als "libvirt" zitten in Debian. Dat is ook waar ik ze
> vandaan heb. Vagrant heb ik vandaag ge-installeerd `sudo apt install
> vagrant`, "libvirt" is langer geleden, waarschijnlijk met `sudo apt
> install virt-manager`. ( `dpkg -l '*libvirt*' | grep --count ^ii` geeft 17
> als output)
>
> Mijn Vagrantfile:
> ---
> $ cat Vagrantfile
> # -*- mode: ruby -*-
> # vi: set ft=ruby :
>
> Vagrant.configure("2") do |config|
>
> config.vm.box = "debian/buster64"
>
> config.vm.network "private_network", ip: "192.168.33.10"
>
> config.vm.provider "libvirt" do |l|
> l.memory = "1024"
> end
> end
>
>
>
>
> Vanaf hier wat er bij mij is, dus niet belangrijk
> voor een "voor mij werkt het gewoon" bericht.
> --8<--8<---
>
> stappers@myhost:~
> $ vagrant up
> Bringing machine 'default' up with 'libvirt' provider...
> ==> default: Box 'debian/buster64' could not be found. Attempting to find and
> install...
> default: Box Provider: libvirt
> default: Box Version: >= 0
> ==> default: Removing domain...
> ==> default: Deleting the machine folder
> /usr/share/rubygems-integration/all/gems/vagrant-libvirt-0.8.0/lib/vagrant-libvirt/util/network_util.rb:190:in
> `bridge_name': Call to virNetworkGetBridgeName failed: internal error:
> netwerk 'vmrtr-net' heeft geen brug naam. (Libvirt::Error)
> from
> /usr/share/rubygems-integration/all/gems/vagrant-libvirt-0.8.0/lib/vagrant-libvirt/util/network_util.rb:190:in
> `block in libvirt_networks'
> from
> /usr/share/rubygems-integration/all/gems/vagrant-libvirt-0.8.0/lib/vagrant-libvirt/util/network_util.rb:159:in
> `each'
42 regels stack trace
> from
> /usr/share/rubygems-integration/all/gems/vagrant-2.2.19/lib/vagrant/batch_action.rb:86:in
> `block (2 levels) in run'
> stappers@myhost:~
> $ virsh --connect qemu:///system net-list --all
> Name State Autostart Persistent
> --
> default active yes yes
> mcvlan-dck-home inactive no yes
> vmrtr-net active yes yes
>
> stappers@myhost:~
> $
Het netwerk 'vmrtr-net' heb ik opgeruimd.
Opnieuw `vagrant up` (met Vagrantfile van hierboven)
Dat ging goed. En daarna:
|$ vagrant status
|Current machine states:
|
|default running (libvirt)
|
|The Libvirt domain is running. To stop this machine, you can run
|`vagrant halt`. To destroy the machine, you can run `vagrant destroy`.
|$ vagrant ssh default
|Linux buster 4.19.0-20-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.235-1 (2022-03-17) x86_64
|
|The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
|the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
|individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.
|
|Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
|permitted by applicable law.
|vagrant@buster:~$ sudo su -
|root@buster:~#
Daarmee is "werkt het?" beantwoordt :-)
Groeten
Geert Stappers
--
Silence is hard to parse
Re: which X11 app can show wifi info
On 6/10/22 5:49 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: On Friday, 10 Jun 2022 at 08:05, lou wrote: i want a small app that show wifi info, including connected network name (wpa-ssid) nm-applet works for me. It doesn't show the network explicitly unless you hover the mouse over the little icon so I don't know if this would suit your needs. Thanks! nm-applet seems to be part of gnome it doesn't work for me
Re: trying to install bullseye for about 25th time.
On 2022-06-10 at 02:54, gene heskett wrote: > On Friday, 10 June 2022 00:22:53 EDT David Wright wrote: >> >> On Thu 09 Jun 2022 at 15:44:48 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: >>> Here is that partitioner menu snapshot, obtained by a network >>> ssh login, smunched to 81kb base-64'd. Showing that d-i did not >>> even recognize the disk I want to use for this new install. >>> >>> So how & what do I do to this virgin disk to make the d-i >>> recognize it so I can install to it? >> >> Well, you already know what I would do as it's been posted on this >> list before: partition it with my personal favourite, gdisk. >> >> But before I started, I would list /dev/disk/ to checkout all the >> installed disks, and their correspondence with the /dev/sd* or >> /dev/nvme0n* names. This avoid's mick's problem. >> >> I'd then write a GPT-style partition table, and the partitions I >> wanted, create the EFI partition, and change the names of the other >> partitions to my requirements. (All my disks are named, and the >> partition LABELs and PARTLABELs are based on that name.) >> >> But I haven't used LVMs, and their users might have a different >> strategy. > > I had some nightmares with LVM back in its younger days, and have > shied away from it since. But I'd assume its more stable now than it > was in ext3 days long ago. I've built my systems with all partitions (except those which, for boot reasons, inherently cannot be) on LVM on top of mdraid, doing the partitioning in d-i, for at least a decade now - and I cannot recall having had a single problem that could trace back to LVM. (Though that boot-reasons exception can be a bit of a doozy.) FWIMBW. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: which X11 app can show wifi info
On Friday, 10 Jun 2022 at 08:05, lou wrote: > i want a small app that show wifi info, including connected network > name (wpa-ssid) nm-applet works for me. It doesn't show the network explicitly unless you hover the mouse over the little icon so I don't know if this would suit your needs. -- Eric S Fraga via gnus (Emacs 29.0.50 2022-06-07) on Debian 11.3
Re: which X11 app can show wifi info
On 6/10/22 4:12 PM, Stanislav Vlasov wrote: пт, 10 июн. 2022 г. в 05:12, lou : i want a small app that show wifi info, including connected network name (wpa-ssid) You may try gkrellm with gkrellmwireless plugin I don't use it some years, so it may be wrong answer. hopefully it doesn't depend on qt as i don't use kde ( i use twm for buster) It is DE-independed. Thanks! i try "gkrellm --plugin /usr/lib/gkrellm2/wireless.so" it doesn't work as i have hoped for
Re: debian app on UserLAnd: upgrading to bullseye
agyaana...@yahoo.com writes: > am i missing on something. i have limited data plan. hence, requesting > opinion or suggestions here. One suggestion then would be to uninstall any software you're not using so it doesn't have to be updated and use up your data plan. The release notes cover some other cleanup tasks as well. I also like to make sure I have enough disk space for the update, this is also covered in the release notes.
Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 07:53:20PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 18:49:40 EDT Andy Smith wrote: > > Hello, > > > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 05:15:28PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > So 26th reinstall attempt, following David's instructs to do an ssh > > > from another machine to install > > > > So can we see the copy and paste of this first screen that you have > > a problem with? > yes, the list server for debian-user see's the attachment and apparently > sends the whole msg to /dev/null. Neither msg has come back in aound 6 > hours. > > > > > So, how to I do a text copy/paste from that .png so I can insert the > > > cogent parts of the text in an email msg? > > > > I recommend not doing that at all and going with the text mode over > > SSH, because you are never going to be able to get non-text > > attachments to this list and it just seems harder in general. > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > Thats what I thought I was doing, by opening a konsole on the client > machine, but when I saved the screenshot, it was a png. x was running on > the client machine, so there needs to be a method to make it text also. > The installer was started in expert text mode, but ssh apparently > overrides that somehow when it finds x running on the client. Should I > have been running the client w/o x or wayland? I am not even sure how to > switch vt's away from x to whatever #2 or #3 is called. > Ctrl-alt-F1, F2 I think Part of this at least is why I suggested using text mode install directly on the machine if you could. Graphical expert mode would probably work as well and you could save the screenshots but I prefer completely text mode to be sure not to load problematic graphics. Andy > Cheers, Gene Heskett. > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > > >
Re: which X11 app can show wifi info
пт, 10 июн. 2022 г. в 05:12, lou : > i want a small app that show wifi info, including connected network > name (wpa-ssid) You may try gkrellm with gkrellmwireless plugin I don't use it some years, so it may be wrong answer. > hopefully it doesn't depend on qt as i don't use kde ( i use twm for buster) It is DE-independed. -- Stanislav
Re: trying to install bullseye for about 25th time.
On Friday, 10 June 2022 00:22:53 EDT David Wright wrote: > On Thu 09 Jun 2022 at 15:44:48 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 11:04:15 EDT David Wright wrote: > > > On Thu 09 Jun 2022 at 03:46:12 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > > > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 00:33:33 EDT David Wright wrote: > > > > > On Tue 07 Jun 2022 at 16:24:02 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 15:16:16 EDT Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 07, 2022 at 02:17:08PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > I always install my systems in this manner from my normal > > > > > workstation. > > > > > > > > This IS my normal workstation. But I imagine that I could reverse > > > > the > > > > path from one of my Dells dedicated to a task. Only one has a > > > > comfy > > > > chair though, the one normally running my biggest milling > > > > machine, > > > > out in the garage. I'll take my coffee cup out and try this from > > > > there. > > > > > > Unsurprisingly, I use the second most convenient machine to install > > > onto that one. In addition, I lose the benefit of apt-cacher-ng for > > > that particular installation process. If I'm installing a new > > > release, > > > then I save the normal cache's contents, and later import all its > > > .deb > > > files into apt-cacher-ng on my workstation's new installation. > > > > > > One more convenience of installing like this is that you can have > > > the > > > release notes, your own aide-memoires, and other reference > > > documents, > > > open on the same machine while you're running the installer. > > > > Here is that partitioner menu snapshot, obtained by a network ssh > > login, smunched to 81kb base-64'd. Showing that d-i did not even > > recognize the disk I want to use for this new install. > > > > So how & what do I do to this virgin disk to make the d-i recognize > > it so I can install to it? > > Well, you already know what I would do as it's been posted on this > list before: partition it with my personal favourite, gdisk. > > But before I started, I would list /dev/disk/ to checkout all the > installed disks, and their correspondence with the /dev/sd* or > /dev/nvme0n* names. This avoid's mick's problem. > > I'd then write a GPT-style partition table, and the partitions > I wanted, create the EFI partition, and change the names of > the other partitions to my requirements. (All my disks are named, > and the partition LABELs and PARTLABELs are based on that name.) > > But I haven't used LVMs, and their users might have a different > strategy. > I had some nightmares with LVM back in its younger days, and have shied away from it since. But I'd assume its more stable now than it was in ext3 days long ago. > Cheers, > David. > > . Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Friday, 10 June 2022 00:45:19 EDT David Wright wrote: > On Thu 09 Jun 2022 at 23:59:06 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:13:53 EDT mick crane wrote: > > > On 2022-06-09 22:15, gene heskett wrote: > > > > Posted once as the original .png of 81k, that didn't get thru the > > > > server, > > > > then I loaed it up in gimp and smunched it down to about 51k, > > > > ugly > > > > but > > > > still readable, and thats not made it thru the server either. > > > > > > Screenshot_1.jpg(~61 KB) was attached to your previous mail. > > > Noticed as you say that 3 disks were scsi7. > > > > That screenshot never came back to here. > > Is that perhaps because you sent it? (One of the big complaints about > some MUAs and some email providers.) > The second one did come back so I assume it was seen but kmails ability to find your own echo's in a mailing list folder are definitly not its strong point. The scroll scrolls too far per click, going right on by your posts echos. Pretty high torr rating for that suckage. ;o(> > > In the meantime, I have > > partitioned and formatted that new drive as ext4, gpt partition with > > gparted, the whole drive, then printed the info for it from fdisk, > > which give the UUID's, 2 different ones, so which should I see in > > the d-i partitioner, the type-UUID or just the UUID, they are > > different numbers, fdisk's info also shows the label as Name: > > slash26, and its is currently /dev/sdd1, but who knows what it might > > be to the installer? I'll plug in the drive with the d-i in it, and > > retry right now. > > I don't recall seeing UUIDs in the d-i, perhaps because they're so > long. I usually see the entries from /dev/disk/by-id/, or part thereof. There weren't any, but dmesg from another shell allowed me to ID the proper drive. So it now has a 1 partition install on it that won't boot. boot flag is set. And me is puzzled. boot files too far into the drive maybe? Thanks David. > But bear in mind that /dev/disk/ can be fully listed by the d-i from > the very start, by switching to a shell on Alt-F2/3. > > Cheers, > David. > > . Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Friday, 10 June 2022 00:45:19 EDT David Wright wrote: > On Thu 09 Jun 2022 at 23:59:06 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:13:53 EDT mick crane wrote: > > > On 2022-06-09 22:15, gene heskett wrote: > > > > Posted once as the original .png of 81k, that didn't get thru the > > > > server, > > > > then I loaed it up in gimp and smunched it down to about 51k, > > > > ugly > > > > but > > > > still readable, and thats not made it thru the server either. > > > > > > Screenshot_1.jpg(~61 KB) was attached to your previous mail. > > > Noticed as you say that 3 disks were scsi7. > > > > That screenshot never came back to here. > > Is that perhaps because you sent it? (One of the big complaints about > some MUAs and some email providers.) > > > In the meantime, I have > > partitioned and formatted that new drive as ext4, gpt partition with > > gparted, the whole drive, then printed the info for it from fdisk, > > which give the UUID's, 2 different ones, so which should I see in > > the d-i partitioner, the type-UUID or just the UUID, they are > > different numbers, fdisk's info also shows the label as Name: > > slash26, and its is currently /dev/sdd1, but who knows what it might > > be to the installer? I'll plug in the drive with the d-i in it, and > > retry right now. > > I don't recall seeing UUIDs in the d-i, perhaps because they're so > long. I usually see the entries from /dev/disk/by-id/, or part thereof. > > But bear in mind that /dev/disk/ can be fully listed by the d-i from > the very start, by switching to a shell on Alt-F2/3. > > Cheers, > David. I made the install using your instructs. Used 3 of the tty's on another machine to get away from X, and did not install a desktop as I have a badly named trinity 14 file in my sources-list.d. But at reboot, its rebooted to the old install after spending an additional 30 seconds contemplating its sins, twice. No reports I can find. I have mounted it to /mnt/slash26 and it looks normal at first glance. I have grub installed on /dev/sda and on /dev/sdd, so it seems like I should be able to choose between them from the bios boot menu. Ideas? Thanks David. > . Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
