32 bit thin client
I am running Debian 11 on a 32 bit thin client. This thin client is running headless. I am trying to add either ssmtp or msmtp, but these appear not to be in the repositories. I've tried adding ssmtp, downloaded from the Debian web site, and installing it with dpkg. This fails due to missing dependences, which I don't appear to resolve. Can anybody offer any help please? David.
Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4
On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 12:30 AM Marco wrote: > Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 > schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask > > because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to > > i686 Pentium 4 and newer. > > It would be interesting what the benefit of that is. You may compile > amd64 packages with support for SSE, SSE2, etc., this won't break > something, but for i386 (only a small amount of computers really needs > that) this will make many of the current usages of i386 impossible. > > All thanks for the responses but the situation is mute. Debian already migrated to i686 as the minimum supported version a few years ago. i686 supports Pentium 3 which is the oldest processor in use on this thread. Some internet sites say that i686 is Pentium 4 and later others say that it is Pentium 2 or later. Others say that i686 is Pentium Pro version 2 and later. If it is indeed Pentium Pro and later then a lot of older processors are still supported: Pentium 2, Pentium 3, Pentium M, Celeron, Pentium 4 etc. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4
Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask > because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to > i686 Pentium 4 and newer. It would be interesting what the benefit of that is. You may compile amd64 packages with support for SSE, SSE2, etc., this won't break something, but for i386 (only a small amount of computers really needs that) this will make many of the current usages of i386 impossible.
Re: Getting rid of backuppc password protection.
On Sat 16 Jul 2022 at 19:13:25 (-0700), Gary L. Roach wrote: > On 7/16/22 5:51 PM, David wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 10:24, Gary L. Roach wrote: > > > > > Some time ago I installed backuppc and then decided to not use it. Even > > > though I purged the program and made sure that I deleted all > > > directories, I still get a backuppc password request when starting any > > > of my programs. Anyone had this problem and if so, do you know how to > > > get rid of it. > > > > People will be in a better position to advise you if you confirm > > what method did you use to "install" it? Because there are > > multiple possibilities and you give us no clues. > > > > Did you use Debian tools (apt, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic)? > > Or some other method? > > > > And the same questions, but for "purge". > > > > Asking because Debian makes great effort to ensure that > > its tools work as intended when used as intended for this kind > > of task. But if you didn't use the recommended tools in the > > recommended manner, that can explain this kind of breakage, > > and why your situation might be unique and thus require > > additional description by you. > > > I used apt install to install the standard debian package and used apt > purge to uninstall. Further, I used rm -r to clean up the directories > that were left. If it helps: > > Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 11 > KDE Plasma Version: 5.20.5 > KDE Frameworks Version: 5.78.0 > Qt Version: 5.15.2 > Kernel Version: 5.10.0-13-amd64 > OS Type: 64-bit > Processors: 4 × AMD FX(tm)-4350 Quad-Core Processor > Memory: 15.6 GiB of RAM > Graphics Processor: AMD CAICOS Were I to install backuppc, 21 other packages would arrive with it (including Recommends). Did you purge all those too? Cheers, David.
Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4
Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 15:40:08 -0500 schrieb David Wright : > Well, I have a "Intel® Pentium® M processor 1.50GHz". Unfortunately, > "M" does not exactly appear on either a "586←→686" scale, or a > "Pentium←→Pentium4" scale. Pentium M (also some (not all) Celeron M) are based on the Pentium 3 because Pentium 4 created too much heat. Then the Intel Core (without 2) followed for mobile. Core (without 2) also doesn't support Intel-64 (amd64). Some newer Pentium Dual-Core also don't support i386. Core 2 supports amd64. Some Pentium 4 Prescott/Cedar Mill for socket 775 also do. Most CPUs used today support amd64, so I see no reason in restricting the i386/i686 packages. If somebody uses i386, then because the CPU doesn't support amd64. All amd64 capable CPUs have certain features like SSE, SSE2 (and I think all of them have SSE3 too). amd64 packages can enforce that a CPU has this because they won't break anything.
Re: Getting rid of backuppc password protection.
Sorry I used apt install to install the standard debian package and used apt purge to uninstall. Further, I used rm -r to clean up the directories that were left. If it helps: Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 11 KDE Plasma Version: 5.20.5 KDE Frameworks Version: 5.78.0 Qt Version: 5.15.2 Kernel Version: 5.10.0-13-amd64 OS Type: 64-bit Processors: 4 × AMD FX(tm)-4350 Quad-Core Processor Memory: 15.6 GiB of RAM Graphics Processor: AMD CAICOS Gary R On 7/16/22 5:51 PM, David wrote: On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 10:24, Gary L. Roach wrote: Some time ago I installed backuppc and then decided to not use it. Even though I purged the program and made sure that I deleted all directories, I still get a backuppc password request when starting any of my programs. Anyone had this problem and if so, do you know how to get rid of it. Hi Gary. People will be in a better position to advise you if you confirm what method did you use to "install" it? Because there are multiple possibilities and you give us no clues. Did you use Debian tools (apt, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic)? Or some other method? And the same questions, but for "purge". Asking because Debian makes great effort to ensure that its tools work as intended when used as intended for this kind of task. But if you didn't use the recommended tools in the recommended manner, that can explain this kind of breakage, and why your situation might be unique and thus require additional description by you.
Re: Getting rid of backuppc password protection.
On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 10:24, Gary L. Roach wrote: > Some time ago I installed backuppc and then decided to not use it. Even > though I purged the program and made sure that I deleted all > directories, I still get a backuppc password request when starting any > of my programs. Anyone had this problem and if so, do you know how to > get rid of it. Hi Gary. People will be in a better position to advise you if you confirm what method did you use to "install" it? Because there are multiple possibilities and you give us no clues. Did you use Debian tools (apt, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic)? Or some other method? And the same questions, but for "purge". Asking because Debian makes great effort to ensure that its tools work as intended when used as intended for this kind of task. But if you didn't use the recommended tools in the recommended manner, that can explain this kind of breakage, and why your situation might be unique and thus require additional description by you.
Getting rid of backuppc password protection.
Hi all, Some time ago I installed backuppc and then decided to not use it. Even though I purged the program and made sure that I deleted all directories, I still get a backuppc password request when starting any of my programs. Anyone had this problem and if so, do you know how to get rid of it. Gary R.
Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4
Timothy M Butterworth composed on 2022-07-16 11:26 (UTC-0400): > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask > because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to i686 > Pentium 4 and newer. # inxi -CMS --vs inxi 3.3.19-00 (2022-06-16) System: Host: m7ncd Kernel: 5.10.0-16-686 arch: i686 bits: 32 Desktop: Trinity v: R14.1.0 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) Machine: Type: Desktop Mobo: N/A model: nVidia-nForce serial: N/A BIOS: Phoenix v: 6.00 PG date: 02/21/2005 CPU: Info: single core model: AMD Athlon bits: 32 type: UP cache: L2: 256 KiB Speed (MHz): 1000 min/max: 500/1000 core: 1: 1000 # inxi -Ga Graphics: Device-1: AMD RV200 [Radeon 7500/7500 LE] driver: radeon v: kernel alternate: radeonfb arch: Rage 7 process: TSMC 150nm built: 2001-06 ports: active: VGA-1 empty: SVIDEO-1 bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:5157 class-ID: 0300 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: radeon unloaded: modesetting alternate: fbdev,vesa gpu: radeon display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1680x1050 s-dpi: 108 s-size: 395x246mm (15.55x9.69") s-diag: 465mm (18.32") Monitor-1: VGA-1 mapped: VGA-0 model: Lenovo L2251x Wide serial: 6V647310 built: 2011 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 474x296mm (18.66x11.65") diag: 559mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400 OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI R100 (RV200 5157) x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE DRI2 v: 1.3 Mesa 20.3.5 direct render: Yes # lsblk -f NAMEFSTYPE FSVER LABEL UUIDFSAVAIL FSUSE% MOUNTPOINT sda ├─sda1 hpfs 2 P01 H16A 3BC2- ├─sda2 ├─sda3 vfat FAT16 P03 H16A 3C46- ├─sda4 ├─sda5 vfat FAT12 DUMMY 3628- ├─sda6 vfat FAT16 P06 SS16A 788D- ├─sda7 ext2 1.0 H16A07boot 5e4005fc... 104.8M42% /disks/boot ├─sda8 swap 1 H16A-08swapper 78d73051...[SWAP] ├─sda9 ext3 1.0 H16Adeb9 f638e2fc...2.1G51% /disks/deb09 ├─sda10 hpfs 2 P10 SS16A 2012- ├─sda11 hpfs 2 P11 SS16A 2850- ├─sda12 hpfs 2 P12 SS16A 2D61- ├─sda13 hpfs 2 P13 SS16A 3D5C- ├─sda14 ext3 1.0 H16A14home 29d20bea...3.6G28% /home ├─sda15 ext3 1.0 H16Asuse1025d14bed3... ├─sda16 ext3 1.0 H16Apubaf76f303...1.6G71% /pub ├─sda17 ext3 1.0 H16Asrv4fe495c7... 169.8M19% /srv ├─sda18 ext3 1.0 H16Aousrlcl581fd1dd... ├─sda19 ext3 1.0 H16Amga6 63d0... ├─sda20 ext3 1.0 H16Amdv2010fd79975f... ├─sda21 ext3 1.0 H16Asuse1212e07341d... ├─sda22 ext3 1.0 H16Asuse122794e40e3... ├─sda23 hpfs 2 P24 ECS2RC52861- ├─sda24 ext3 1.0 H16Afedor26dd0ce708... ├─sda25 ext3 1.0 H16Afedor28c2ff2f8d... ├─sda26 ext3 1.0 H16Asuse100bcb816d3... ├─sda27 ext3 1.0 H16Asuse113c630e65a... ├─sda28 ext3 1.0 H16Amdv200839678b7a... ├─sda29 ext3 1.0 H16Asuse1102dac430a... ├─sda30 ext3 1.0 H16Asuse1116530b0ea... ├─sda31 ext3 1.0 H16Amdv2009f4c4635b... ├─sda32 ext3 1.0 insttester f7f81e63... ├─sda33 hpfs 2 ECS20GA2012- ├─sda34 hpfs 2 ECS BETA 2861- ├─sda35 hpfs 2 NEW F 2861- ├─sda36 ext3 1.0 H16Asuse123b3930acb... ├─sda37 ext3 1.0 H16Asuse131d0029636... 974.5M74% /disks/s131 ├─sda38 ext3 1.0 H16Asuse114c16c5e82... ├─sda39 vfat FAT124773- ├─sda40 ext3 1.0 H16Aos132 24686d8e... ├─sda41 ext3 1.0 H16Afedor27241642be... ├─sda42 ext3 1.0 H16Adeb10 3986d868...1.5G64% /disks/deb10 ├─sda43 ext3 1.0 H16Amga8 fd18ec0a... ├─sda44 ext3 1.0 H16Adeb11 7c5fd253... 478.4M86% / ├─sda45 ext3 1.0 H16Amga7 7e4db84f... ├─sda46 ext3
Re: Sid installation fails - No kernel modules found
On Sat 16 Jul 2022 at 20:56:51 +0100, Piscium wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 19:49, Brian wrote: > > > > On Sat 16 Jul 2022 at 18:27:29 +0100, Piscium wrote: > > > > [1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable > > > [2] deb.debian.org > > > > Is the mini.iso at > > > > > > http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/bullseye/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ > > > > any use? > > I downloaded the mini.iso in [3] as suggested in [1] (link above), But you did not download and try the one I suggested? Therefore, you are working blindfolded. It is dated 2022-0 7-05. The archive modules may match the d-i kernel. > which is supposed to be the one to install Sid. The one you ask about > seems to be not for Sid. There is another method of installation which You are misunderstanding; all mini.isos will install sid. > is to start with the Testing iso and then upgrade to Sid. I have done > that in the past successfully. Today is the first time I am trying > this other method, the Sid mini.iso. > > [3] > http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso [3] is dated 31-Jul-2021. -- Brian.
Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4
On Sat, 16 Jul 2022, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to i686 Pentium 4 and newer. Thanks I think I'm running it on an eeepc. I don't know what processor that corresponds to but I can check tomorrow (and whether I actually upgraded it from buster yet)
Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4
On Sat 16 Jul 2022 at 15:17:03 (-0400), Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 2:26 PM Marco wrote: > > > Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 > > schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > > > > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? > > > > Yes, Pentium 3 600 MHz (I think it is a coppermine). Works fine. > > > > Out of curiosity what tasks do you use a Pentium 3 600 MHz PC for. I used mine (650MHz on SE440BX-2/Seattle2 mobo) as a file server. I could install my three 500GB PATA disks in it, along with a CD-RW burner with analogue output. The latter was set up so that when the machine was on, you could insert a particular USB stick and the CD door would open. Put in an audio CD, close the door, and it would automatically play it. Pull the stick and it would open the door. Sadly, it recently expired. Now I can only get one PATA installed in a 2006 Dell, and one in a very noisy caddy (its fan hunts). Cheers, David.
Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4
On Sat 16 Jul 2022 at 18:33:11 (+0100), Darac Marjal wrote: > On 16/07/2022 16:26, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I > > ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 > > (1985) to i686 Pentium 4 and newer. > > Debian hasn't supported 80386 processors for many years. According to > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.en.html, the > minimum processor for Debian Stable _is_ currently a 686-class > processor. Sure, and my oldest PC is running a *-686 kernel. So, the question is, what's below the cutoff—what are we losing? On the Packages page, my kernel is bottom of the heap, with the possible exception of linux-image-5.10.0-13-686-unsigned (mine is signed). > > Nearly all x86-based (IA-32) processors still in use in personal > > computers are supported. This also includes 32-bit AMD and VIA > > (former Cyrix) processors, and processors like the Athlon XP and > > Intel P4 Xeon. > > > > However, Debian GNU/Linux bullseye will/not/run on 586 (Pentium) > > or earlier processors. Well, I have a "Intel® Pentium® M processor 1.50GHz". Unfortunately, "M" does not exactly appear on either a "586←→686" scale, or a "Pentium←→Pentium4" scale. I know its cpu family is 6, and its flags are: fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe bts est tm2. Worryingly, I don't see "pae", which has been fussed about in the past. Cheers, David.
Re: Sid installation fails - No kernel modules found
On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 21:02, Piscium wrote: > I chose "Execute Shell", got a window with instructions that mentions > /target, was dropped into BusyBox, and strangely enough there is no > /target in the RAM disk. The other usual folders at the root are there > (/bin, /dev, and so on). On BusyBox I ran 'uname -a' and it told me I am running the debian-sid kernel 5.10.0-8, built on 2021-07-28. This might be the reason for the error message I got, "No kernel modules found". It is a very old kernel. So perhaps the mini.iso was not built in a long while and got out of date, or else the mirror is out of date. The mirror site says the upload date is 31-Jul-2021 04:20. I looked at the German mirror and it is the same date. Any ideas? Anyway, this is not a big problem because there are two other methods of installing sid, from the Stable iso and from the Testing iso.
Re: Sid installation fails - No kernel modules found
On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 19:26, Charles Curley wrote: > Look in the installation logs for suspicious messages. During > installation, they are at /target/var/log/installer/. After you reboot > into the newly installed system, they are at /var/log/installer/. I chose "Execute Shell", got a window with instructions that mentions /target, was dropped into BusyBox, and strangely enough there is no /target in the RAM disk. The other usual folders at the root are there (/bin, /dev, and so on). Any ideas?
Re: Sid installation fails - No kernel modules found
On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 19:49, Brian wrote: > > On Sat 16 Jul 2022 at 18:27:29 +0100, Piscium wrote: > > [1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable > > [2] deb.debian.org > > Is the mini.iso at > > > http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/bullseye/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ > > any use? I downloaded the mini.iso in [3] as suggested in [1] (link above), which is supposed to be the one to install Sid. The one you ask about seems to be not for Sid. There is another method of installation which is to start with the Testing iso and then upgrade to Sid. I have done that in the past successfully. Today is the first time I am trying this other method, the Sid mini.iso. [3] http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 2:26 PM Marco wrote: > Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 > schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? > > Yes, Pentium 3 600 MHz (I think it is a coppermine). Works fine. > Out of curiosity what tasks do you use a Pentium 3 600 MHz PC for. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
Re: Sid installation fails - No kernel modules found
On Sat 16 Jul 2022 at 18:27:29 +0100, Piscium wrote: > Hiya, > > I tried to install Sid (on a VirtualBox VM) following the instructions > in [1], section "Use the Unstable "mini.iso" image.". I downloaded the > specified ISO, did the sha256 check, proceeded with all the various > options without any error, network configuration also succeeded, then > at the step "Download installer components" I got the error "No kernel > modules found". The mirror is the default and recommended [2]. > > Any ideas? Could it be that the specified ISO got somehow out of sync > with what is available in the default mirror? > > [1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable > [2] deb.debian.org Is the mini.iso at http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/bullseye/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ any use? -- Brian. >
Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4
Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 13:30:29 -0400 schrieb Stefan Monnier : > Indeed, it has a Pentium mobile III-M at 1.2GHz. > > I'm not completely sure where that processor sits, to be honest, but > I thought it was based on a CPU core that came before Pentium 4. > E.g. the Pentium 4 supports SSE2, AFAIK, whereas my X30 doesn't. Pentium 3 M is just a mobile variant of the desktop Pentium 3. i686 was the Pentium Pro (2 generations older).
Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4
Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? Yes, Pentium 3 600 MHz (I think it is a coppermine). Works fine.
Re: Sid installation fails - No kernel modules found
On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 18:27:29 +0100 Piscium wrote: > … network configuration also succeeded, then > at the step "Download installer components" I got the error "No kernel > modules found". The mirror is the default and recommended [2]. > > Any ideas? Could it be that the specified ISO got somehow out of sync > with what is available in the default mirror? Look in the installation logs for suspicious messages. During installation, they are at /target/var/log/installer/. After you reboot into the newly installed system, they are at /var/log/installer/. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: OT, Recommendation for low cost laptop
On 7/11/2022 2:29 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:32:49 +0200 john doe wrote: I'm comtemplating buying a Pinebook pro but I'm not sure if this is better then buying a Windows laptop and putting linux on it. I'm looking for something cheap (max would be around 300 bucks), do you have any suggestions/ideas? Newegg (and likely other on-line vendors) offers reburbished used computers. I've had good results with the Lenovo T series from there. You didn't mention which flavor of bucks you had in mind. US, Canadian, Australian, etc. I doubt you meant Zimbabwean, though. For the sake of simplicity, answering here to everyone. Actually, I used bucks to avoid using a specific currency,. In retrospect, I should have used Euros instead of bucks! :) The battery life is not a concern. Thanks all for your valuable input, much appreciated. -- John Doe
Re: multiple network interfaces...and a ghost
On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 10:28 AM Peter Ehlert wrote: > > On 7/11/22 21:35, Tixy wrote: > > On Mon, 2022-07-11 at 19:51 -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: > > [...] > >> I decided to try a fresh netinstall alongside and Boom: > >> > >> === > >> multiple network interfaces > >> > >> eno1: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I218-LM > >> enp5s0: Intel Corporation 1210 Gigabit Network Connection > >> enx00e04c534458: Unknown Interface > >> === > >> > > [...] > >> what about this mystery "Unknown"? > >> do I have a pending hardware failure? > > Looking up the MAC address in the name of that last interface the name > > says it's from Realtek Semiconductor Corp so it seems unrelated to the > > other Intel devices. Try looking at the output of 'dmesg' and look for > > 'Realtek' in the kernal log for a clue. > dmesg gave me 1662 lines. > > RealTek NIC's require closed source binary blobs to work properly. Try installing `sudo apt install firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree`or you can install from the non-free installer: https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/. Since you have two working NIC's you should not need to reinstall. > I only found these with realtek: > > [ 16.982860] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0: autoconfig for ALC221: > line_outs=1 (0x14/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0) type:line > [ 16.982862] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0: speaker_outs=1 > (0x17/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0) > [ 16.982863] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0:hp_outs=1 > (0x21/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0) > [ 16.982864] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0:mono: mono_out=0x0 > [ 16.982865] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0:inputs: > [ 16.982867] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0: Front Mic=0x1a > [ 16.982868] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0: Front Mic=0x18 > [ 16.982869] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0: Line=0x1b > > > > > > Do you have any other network devices plugged in, perhaps in USB port? > > Possibly a wifi dongle. > yes, I have several, 2 UPS devices, KVM, printer, etc. > > perhaps my new UPS is the culprit. > > process of elimination might tell the tale > > > Also, a long shot, something could be > > automagically configuring something like a phone or bluetooth device > > for network use. > > > > -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4
On 16/07/2022 16:26, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to i686 Pentium 4 and newer. Debian hasn't supported 80386 processors for many years. According to https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.en.html, the minimum processor for Debian Stable _is_ currently a 686-class processor. Nearly all x86-based (IA-32) processors still in use in personal computers are supported. This also includes 32-bit AMD and VIA (former Cyrix) processors, and processors like the Athlon XP and Intel P4 Xeon. However, Debian GNU/Linux bullseye will/not/run on 586 (Pentium) or earlier processors. Older processors might be possible in other architectures, though. Check the MIPS and the POWER architectures, perhaps? Thanks -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀ OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Sid installation fails - No kernel modules found
Hiya, I tried to install Sid (on a VirtualBox VM) following the instructions in [1], section "Use the Unstable "mini.iso" image.". I downloaded the specified ISO, did the sha256 check, proceeded with all the various options without any error, network configuration also succeeded, then at the step "Download installer components" I got the error "No kernel modules found". The mirror is the default and recommended [2]. Any ideas? Could it be that the specified ISO got somehow out of sync with what is available in the default mirror? [1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable [2] deb.debian.org
Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 12:17 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? > > I'm using Debian (currently stable, tho I often end up moving to > testing) on my Thinkpad X30, yes. > The Thinkpad X30 has a 1.2Ghz Pentium M processor which is i686 not i386. Did you upgrade the RAM from its origional 512MB. > The quality of support for this hardware has evolved over the years, but > in my experience Debian 11 is the first release that's clearly better > than all the previous ones (the previous "best version" for me was just > before the move to KMS, which introduced various regressions on this > hardware, and it's only with Debian 11 that I can again run this > hardware without any workaround or occasional annoyances). > > > I ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) > > to i686 Pentium 4 and newer. > > That would leave *very* few CPUs among those supported by `i386` but not > `amd64` :-( > > > Stefan > > -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
Re: root crontab @reboot for loop fails
Timothy M Butterworth (12022-07-16): > rc.local does not exist in Debian 11. "/etc/rc.local: No such file or > directory" should it be a file or a directory? rc.local is for compatibility with legacy admin practices. Somebody showed in this thread how it is implemented for systemd. In my opinion, your best course of action is to imitate that for your specific need. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: pavucontrol configuration trouble
On 2022-07-16, Thomas George wrote: > I set the GP107GL High Definition Audio Controller profile to off but > it continually reverts to High Definition HDMI Output which overrides > analog output to my external speakers. > > Today I found it impossible to turn this off. The off option is there > put when I try to scroll down to it the option window closes before I > can reach it. > > Is there some way to permanently turn off this controller? > > > > "The option window closes before I can reach it" lies beyond the purview of my intelligence but seems particularly infuriating (if somehow *drôle* to the casual observer that is this humble correspondent). I've read of people, confronted with similar problems to your own, working around the unwanted switching of output devices by commenting out load-module module-switch-on-port-available load-module module-switch-on-connect in /etc/pulse/default.pa
Re: root crontab @reboot for loop fails
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 12:06:38PM -0400, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > rc.local does not exist in Debian 11. "/etc/rc.local: No such file or > directory" should it be a file or a directory? If you wish to use it, it must be a file, with execute permission, and with a valid shebang (#!/bin/sh).
Re: root crontab @reboot for loop fails
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 11:07 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 03:49:09AM +0100, Gareth Evans wrote: > > $ sudo crontab -l > > [...] > > @reboot for f in $(/usr/sbin/zfs list -t snap -o name|grep reboot); do > /usr/sbin/zfs destroy $f;done > > @reboot /usr/sbin/zfs snap -r rpool@reboot > > > > > > Prepending "/usr/sbin/" to "zfs" doesn't make a difference. > > Let me start by saying I don't know a single thing about ZFS. > > My first reaction to this thread of yours is, "Well, read the email that > cron sends you and see what the errors are." > > But that's the easy and obvious reaction. My second reaction goes a > little bit deeper: > > "All your crontab entries run in parallel. So your first line which > has zfs in it, and your second line which also has zfs in it, those both > run at the same time. Is that OK?" > > Since I have no idea what any of those ZFS commands do, I can't tell > whether it's OK to have that race condition. I suspect it's not OK, > but what do I know? > > My third reaction goes something like this: > > "If you wanted to run a bunch of commands a boot time, without setting > up systemd units for them, and proper dependencies, why didn't you just > use /etc/rc.local?" > rc.local does not exist in Debian 11. "/etc/rc.local: No such file or directory" should it be a file or a directory? > Using a crontab to duplicate the functionality of rc.local seems odd to me. > > Anyway, read your errors. They may tell you what's wrong. Figure out > whether your commands are allowed to run in parallel. If they're not, > use a *script*, instead of a bunch of parallel commands. That script > could be /etc/rc.local, or it could be a separate script that you call > from rc.local, or even call from crontab if you really insist. > > -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
Re: pavucontrol configuration trouble
Am Samstag, 16. Juli 2022, 17:30:57 CEST schrieb Thomas George: Just an idea for a BAD workaround: Do set your configuration to you needs, if it works, just edit the rights of the confiuration file to read only, so that the application is no more able to change it. BAD trick, this is very clear to me, but sometimes it is working. Best Hans > I set the GP107GL High Definition Audio Controller profile to off but > it continually reverts to High Definition HDMI Output which overrides > analog output to my external speakers. > > Today I found it impossible to turn this off. The off option is there > put when I try to scroll down to it the option window closes before I > can reach it. > > Is there some way to permanently turn off this controller?
pavucontrol configuration trouble
I set the GP107GL High Definition Audio Controller profile to off but it continually reverts to High Definition HDMI Output which overrides analog output to my external speakers. Today I found it impossible to turn this off. The off option is there put when I try to scroll down to it the option window closes before I can reach it. Is there some way to permanently turn off this controller?
Processors older than Intel Pentium 4
Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to i686 Pentium 4 and newer. Thanks -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
Re: root crontab @reboot for loop fails
> On 16 Jul 2022, at 14:39, Anssi Saari wrote: > > Tixy writes: > >> rc.local is still run on the latest Debian stable. You need to make >> sure it's a proper executable, i.e. starts with a shebang like >> '#!/bin/sh' and the file has execute permissions. > > Yes and that's because the systemd package contains the rc-local.service > which just runs /etc/rc.local. With a ConditionFileIsExecutable too > which I wasn't aware of before. Thanks all, that was both helpful and informative Gareth
Re: root crontab @reboot for loop fails
Tixy writes: > rc.local is still run on the latest Debian stable. You need to make > sure it's a proper executable, i.e. starts with a shebang like > '#!/bin/sh' and the file has execute permissions. Yes and that's because the systemd package contains the rc-local.service which just runs /etc/rc.local. With a ConditionFileIsExecutable too which I wasn't aware of before.
Re: Debian 9 cron = sounds are ok : Debian 11 cron no sound
On Sat, 16 Jul 2022, Lee wrote: I don't have play, so I tried aplay .. and it works, even if I'm logged out, even if someone else is logged in. ## run the script every minute $ crontab -l | tail -3 # m h dom mon dow command * * * * */home/lee/bin/neener.sh ## which plays a .wav and an .au file $ cat ~/bin/neener.sh #!/bin/sh /usr/bin/aplay -q $HOME/Sounds/Old/NEENER.WAV sleep 0.25 /usr/bin/aplay -q $HOME/Sounds/SunOS/busy.au I get the following error message from aplay: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1075:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave aplay: main:830: audio open error: Device or resource busy and a different message from play: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1075:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave /usr/bin/play FAIL sox: Sorry, there is no default audio device configured I'm wondering what causes this. Do you have any specific environment variable set which defines a default audio device? Roger
Re: root crontab @reboot for loop fails
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 08:13:56AM +0100, Tixy wrote: > On Sat, 2022-07-16 at 05:30 +0100, Gareth Evans wrote: > > I was of the impression (which I think it is fair to say has been created) > > that systemd had done away with /etc/rc.local > > rc.local is still run on the latest Debian stable. You need to make > sure it's a proper executable, i.e. starts with a shebang like > '#!/bin/sh' and the file has execute permissions. Correct. You can also see its systemd unit: unicorn:~$ systemctl status rc-local ● rc-local.service - /etc/rc.local Compatibility Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service; static) Drop-In: /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service.d └─debian.conf Active: inactive (dead) Docs: man:systemd-rc-local-generator(8) unicorn:~$ systemctl cat rc-local # /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service [...] [Unit] Description=/etc/rc.local Compatibility Documentation=man:systemd-rc-local-generator(8) ConditionFileIsExecutable=/etc/rc.local After=network.target [Service] Type=forking ExecStart=/etc/rc.local start [...] I'm not using one on this particular computer, hence "inactive (dead)". Note also the Debian changes at the end of the unit file (or in the separate Drop-In literal file if you aren't using "systemctl cat").
Re: root crontab @reboot for loop fails
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 05:35:39AM +0100, Gareth Evans wrote: > On Sat 16 Jul 2022, at 05:30, Gareth Evans wrote: > > > Why isn't root's $PATH available to root crontab? ie. including the > > link /sbin -> /usr/sbin? > > By which I mean: why can't root crontab do everything sudo can do? Because they're different programs. crontab(5): Several environment variables are set up automatically by the cron(8) daemon. SHELL is set to /bin/sh, and LOGNAME and HOME are set from the /etc/passwd line of the crontab's owner.PATH is set to "/usr/bin:/bin". [...] Debian's /etc/sudoers file: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" So, it depends on whether you're using the default settings, or changing them.
Re: Debian 9 cron = sounds are ok : Debian 11 cron no sound
On 7/16/22, Roger Price wrote: > People occasionally have a cron job emit some sound each hour. On my Debian > 9 > machine I hear Biff [1] barking. In /etc/crontab I have an entry to call a > script bark.sh which does the barking. Typically > > 0,1 0,12 * * * rprice full-path-to/bark.sh 12 2>>&1 > > where bark.sh is a Bash script which calls /usr/bin/play to play a .au > file. > > This ran for years with Debian 9. I upgrade to Debian 11 and hear nothing. > The > usual advice is > (a) in /etc/crontab export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000 > (b) play the sound from a script. > > But that doesn't work with Debian 11. Does any reader of this list have > sound > coming from a Debian 11 cron job? If so, how is it done? I don't have play, so I tried aplay .. and it works, even if I'm logged out, even if someone else is logged in. ## run the script every minute $ crontab -l | tail -3 # m h dom mon dow command * * * * */home/lee/bin/neener.sh ## which plays a .wav and an .au file $ cat ~/bin/neener.sh #!/bin/sh /usr/bin/aplay -q $HOME/Sounds/Old/NEENER.WAV sleep 0.25 /usr/bin/aplay -q $HOME/Sounds/SunOS/busy.au Lee
Debian 9 cron = sounds are ok : Debian 11 cron no sound
People occasionally have a cron job emit some sound each hour. On my Debian 9 machine I hear Biff [1] barking. In /etc/crontab I have an entry to call a script bark.sh which does the barking. Typically 0,1 0,12 * * * rprice full-path-to/bark.sh 12 2>>&1 where bark.sh is a Bash script which calls /usr/bin/play to play a .au file. This ran for years with Debian 9. I upgrade to Debian 11 and hear nothing. The usual advice is (a) in /etc/crontab export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000 (b) play the sound from a script. But that doesn't work with Debian 11. Does any reader of this list have sound coming from a Debian 11 cron job? If so, how is it done? Roger [1] Unix folklore. There is a picture of Biff with title "Figure 14-3 Heidi Stettner and Biff, circa 1980" on page 206 of Harley Hahn's "A Student's Guide to Unix". McGraw-Hill, Inc, 1993, ISBN 0-07-025511-3.
Re: root crontab @reboot for loop fails
On Sat, 2022-07-16 at 05:30 +0100, Gareth Evans wrote: > I was of the impression (which I think it is fair to say has been created) > that systemd had done away with /etc/rc.local rc.local is still run on the latest Debian stable. You need to make sure it's a proper executable, i.e. starts with a shebang like '#!/bin/sh' and the file has execute permissions. -- Tixy
