Re: recommended way disable recommends using apt

[Tim Woodall]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2022, jindam, vani wrote:


hello debian users,

i want to install again debian, i dont
want to install recommended packages
and i checked (ex: $ apt show libreoffice)
my list of packages to be installed &
i see no problem. i always use $ sudo apt to
install packages.

my plan:
(1) install debian base
(2) disable recommend packages
(3) install packages one by one

issue (which one is correct?) on /etc/apt/apt.conf:
(1) APT::Install-Recommends "false";
APT::Install-Suggests "false";
(2) APT::Install-Suggests "0";
APT::Install-Recommends "0";



I have:
tim@einstein(5):~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-no-recommends
APT
{
  Install-Recommends "false";
}

Re: recommended way disable recommends using apt

[jindam, vani]

On 23 August 2022 2:41:30 AM UTC, "jindam, vani"  
wrote:
>hello debian users,
>
>i want to install again debian, i dont
>want to install recommended packages 
>and i checked (ex: $ apt show libreoffice) 
>my list of packages to be installed & 
>i see no problem. i always use $ sudo apt to 
>install packages.
>
>my plan:
>(1) install debian base
>(2) disable recommend packages
>(3) install packages one by one
>
>issue (which one is correct?) on /etc/apt/apt.conf:

i am confused bit, contradictory statements:

* Reconfigure apt so that it does not install additional packages (1), use 
/etc/apt/apt.conf

* apt.conf: /etc/apt/apt.conf is also valid but deprecated,(2) perhaps to use 
various configs
given.


(1) https://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian
(2) https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration

>(1) APT::Install-Recommends "false";
>APT::Install-Suggests "false"; 
>(2) APT::Install-Suggests "0";
>APT::Install-Recommends "0";
>
>regards,
>jindam, vani
>

Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Victor Sudakov]

Bret Busby wrote:
> 
> And, after all of that, in looking in my Appearance -> Themes, through 
> the Yaru stuff, and noticing that the YaruGreen looks like the 
> TraditionalGreen, I also noticed that the YaruOk looks like the 
> TraditionalOkBrave.

I've tried all the Yaru* themes and none of them features distinct
colours for the active and non-active windows.

So I'm using the TraditionalOk-Dust theme for its gentle color.

-- 
Victor Sudakov VAS4-RIPE
http://vas.tomsk.ru/
2:5005/49@fidonet


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recommended way disable recommends using apt

[jindam, vani]

hello debian users,

i want to install again debian, i dont
want to install recommended packages 
and i checked (ex: $ apt show libreoffice) 
my list of packages to be installed & 
i see no problem. i always use $ sudo apt to 
install packages.

my plan:
(1) install debian base
(2) disable recommend packages
(3) install packages one by one

issue (which one is correct?) on /etc/apt/apt.conf:
(1) APT::Install-Recommends "false";
APT::Install-Suggests "false"; 
(2) APT::Install-Suggests "0";
APT::Install-Recommends "0";

regards,
jindam, vani

Re: Debian 11 Cinnamon Lock Screen Issue

[David Wright]

On Sun 21 Aug 2022 at 14:35:29 (+), Ajay R wrote:
> I am using the Cinnamon desktop environment on Debian 11. All but one thing 
> has been great so far.
> When I wake my laptop from suspension by opening the lid, before the lock 
> screen shows up, I see
> a brief flash of the desktop behind. This is quite concerning. Is this the 
> right place to get help
> for this issue?

I'm afraid that I lock the screen with vlock (in a VC), so I don't
know the answer. There was a somewhat similar thread in May.
Might this help?

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/05/msg00357.html

https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-screensaver/issues/231

Cheers,
David.

Re: question about sound

[David Wright]

On Sat 20 Aug 2022 at 07:46:24 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 11:55:33PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 19 Aug 2022 at 08:46:29 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 11:13:11PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > > > The attraction of a one-liner is partly because of screens
> > > > being around four times wider than high (characterwise).
> > > > Wouldn't it be nice if bash had Perl's die ….
> > > 
> > > Some people put a die() function in their scripts, and then use it.
> > > 
> > > die() { printf >&2 '%s\n' "$*"; exit 1; }
> > > 
> > > Or variants thereof.  There are almost as many variations as there are
> > > shell programmers.
> > 
> > But if I have that, and:
> > 
> > soxy is a function
> > soxy () 
> > { 
> > [ -z "$1" ] && die "Usage:  ${FUNCNAME[0]} 
> > path-to/sound-file-of-any-type [trim 20 2]
> > runs sox to play the file with any arguments given.
> > The example above reminds you to put the full argument.";
> > local From="$1";
> > shift;
> > sox -q "$From" -t alsa default "$@"
> > }
> > 
> > then typing just:
> > 
> > $ soxy
> > 
> > into an xterm will have the same effect as:
> > 
> > $ ^D
> > 
> > killing bash and the xterm, whereas what I would want from die is a
> > "double-return", quitting both die and soxy, and leaving me at:
> > 
> > $ 
> > 
> > just as Perl's die would do (if soxy was a Perl program).
> 
> The problem is... the function is running in your current shell's
> process. This is totally different from the Perl case, where your
> Perl programm gets its own process, so exit is going to do the
> right thing (in both cases, the current process is terminated).
> 
> (Actually, Perl is more complicated, since you can catch a die
> with an eval, so it is basically a full-fledged exception machinery).

Yes, I understand that, I was just using Perl to illustrate the
concept: if I run a Perl program from the command line and, deep
within the program, it executes die, I get a message and I'm back
at my command line.

> I see two ways forward: either use return in your shell function;

A macro in emacs made light work of that.

> you'd have to build your exception handling level-by-level, by
> hand.

90% of the functions are single level, built to make CLI use
more efficient. They error check (evidently for likely errors,
rather than, say, closing stderr), and second level functions
are generally trivial, like:

[ -e "$2" ] && msgerr "$2 already exists!" && return 1
 … …
msgerr () 
{ 
printf '%s\n' "$*" 1>&2;
return 0
}

> Or do what everyone does and build your soxy as a command,
> which will be executed in its own shell and not as a function.

I would think that rather OTT, seeing as soxy merely avoids
having to remember the options -q and -t alsa default.

Many of my functions are similar; can you imagine having to
remember all these options just to put a video soundtrack
onto a GoGear mp3 player:

ffmpeg -y -i "$1" -f wav -ar 44100 -ac 2 -vn "$Unique1"
lame -b "${Fixedbitrate:-128}" "$Unique1" "$Unique2"
chmod ug=r,o= "$Unique2"
touch -r "$1" "$Unique1" "$Unique2"

> You can set traps in the shell for exit and return events, so
> you might try to build exception handling on that, but I don't
> know whether it is a good idea. But possibly a nice exercise :)

By that time, I would have rewritten shell code in Python. For
example, I ran a shell script for years to change the X background
according to temperature/battery state, but wheezy's 3.x kernel
introduced a snag: that /sys/class/power_supply/BAT*/current_now
might exist when tested, but not when read by the next line of
code. I just converted shell to Python, and used try:/except:.

Cheers,
David.

RE: IP por DHCP dejó de funcionar en Debian "bullseye" [RESUELTO - Por ahora...]

[Marcelo Olcese (Gmail)]

Hola,
Con el kernel 5.10.0-16 tuve varios problemas.
Lo instalé  Debian 11 en 3 Hp Proliant DL3810 G7 con 64ram, en uno me dió 
problemas luego de una actu del kernel... Hice mvarias pruebas y no se 
solucionaba hasta que opté  por bajar e instalar 5.16.0-0.bpo.3-amd64, por 
ahora no tengo problemas y los que tenía se solucionaron.

Sldos,
Marcelo.-

-Mensaje original-
De: JavierDebian [mailto:javier.debian.bb...@gmail.com] 
Enviado el: lunes, 22 de agosto de 2022 18:06
Para: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Asunto: Re: IP por DHCP dejó de funcionar en Debian "bullseye" [RESUELTO - Por 
ahora...]



El 19/8/22 a las 03:45, Camaleón escribió:
> El 2022-08-18 a las 21:59 -0300, JavierDebian escribió:
> 
>> Buenas noches.
>>
>> Me ha pasado algo extraño.
>> Debian 11 "bullseye" con kernel 5.10.0-16-amd64.
>> Network-manager prohibido en el sistema, lo odio porque hace lo que quiere.
>> Computadora que funciona desde hace 6 años con configuración de red 
>> por DHCP automática, configurado "a mano" por interfaces.
>> resolvconf corriendo como demonio.
>>
>> Hace un par de días, se puso remolona para tomar dirección IP. 
>> Reiniciado el enrutador y el equipo un par de veces, lo achaqué a 
>> problemas del enrutador o del servicio provisto por mi ISP, un CISCO 
>> Technicolor DPC3848VE DOCSIS 3.0, empresa Flow/Personal/Fibertel Argentina.
> 
> El problema de tener el servidor de DHCP en equipos restringidos 
> (routers, switches o dispositivos integrados) es que apenas permiten 
> depurar los errores en caso de presentarse problemas.
> 
>> Hoy hizo lo mismo; intenté la solución anterior y no hubo caso.
>> Cambié cable de conexión, sin éxito.
>> "¿Será la placa de red?"
>> Arranqué Windows desde otra partición; conexión impecable, no es ni 
>> el cable ni la placa ni el enrutador.
>> Arranco un SystemRescueCD, y toma la dirección sin problemas.
>> Vuelvo a Debian, no toma dirección IP.
>> Levanto una máquina VirtualBox en Debian que corre un Win7 con la red 
>> en modo puente... toma la dirección sin inconvenientes
>>
>> Configuro la red en forma manual, con IP fija y todo a mano
>> Funciona sin inconvenientes.
>>
>> Vuelvo atrás, a configurar por DHCP automático; no funciona, pero 
>> sólo en Debian 11.
>> Cambio a kernel 5.10.0-13, no sea que el kernel nuevo tenga algún 
>> problema, aún siendo "stable"; sigue sin funcionar.
>>
>> Ahora estoy en modo IP estático, funcionando sin problemas... salvo 
>> que no puedo volver a DHCP dinámico, porque no funciona.
>>
>> Para usar la máquina, no me afecta, pero... NO ME GUSTA QUE EL 
>> SISTEMA HAGA COSAS QUE NO DEBERÍA HACER, O NO HAGA LO QUE SÍ.
>>
>> Seguiré investigando.
>>
>> Si a alguno le pasó algo así, escucho sugerencias.
> 
> Yo probaría lo siguiente:
> 
> 1. Fuerza la renovación de la IP, a ver si el Cisco le asigna otra 
> nueva y se puede configurar el adaptador de red sin problemas.
> 
> Dependiendo de qué cliente dhcp uses (hoy en día me pierdo con tantas
> opciones: systemd, dhclient, network-manager...) tendrás que hacer una 
> cosa u otra para renovar los datos del adaptador:
> 
> Linux Force DHCP Client (dhclient) to Renew IP Address 
> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-renew-dhcp-client-ip-address
> /
> 
> 2. A modo de prueba, y si te resulta posible, configura otro servidor 
> o sistema (router/switch) como servidor DHCP (desconecta el Cisco de 
> la red para evitar conflictos) a ver si el Debian 11 puede 
> configurarse preguntando a otro servidor.
> 
> 3. Revisa los registros para ver qué puede estar fallando (syslog,
> journalctl) o intenta configurar el adpatador de red desde línea de 
> órdenes (con dhclient -v...) para ver si tienes más información del 
> problema, recibes un timeout, etc...
> 
> Saludos,
> 


Tomando en cuenta las indicaciones de Camaleón, procedí a:

1 - Eliminar resolvconf, avahi-autoipd, isc-dhcp-client-ddns e isc-dhcp-client. 
O sea, todo lo que tenga que ver con manejos automágicos de redes, excepto 
systemd, por supuesto... (network-manager está prohibido en mi sistema).

2 - Reinstalar resolvconf e isc-dhcp-client.

3 - Reconfigurar nuevamente /etc/interfaces para dirección IP por DHCP.

4 - Reiniciar el equipo.

Mágicamente, funciona.

Ayer pasó lo mismo en otra máquina que tiene mi hija en su habitación; empezó a 
no resolver IP. Y ayer, justamente, fue "día de actualización de la PC de la 
niña".

Me huelo a alguna actualización o instalación de algo (?) que desbarató algo 
otro (?).

Gracias.

JAP

Re: IP por DHCP dejó de funcionar en Debian "bullseye" [RESUELTO - Por ahora...]

[Antonio Galicia]

El lun, 22 ago 2022 a la(s) 16:22, Yoel Villarreal (yoe...@nauta.cu) escribió:
>
> Quizás no fue algo "roto". Quizás fue que no leímos el changelog.

El top posting no es lindo

Y yo tampoco leí el change log. ¿Qué dice que cambió?

 Saludos,
 Antonio Galicia

Eram quod es, eris quod sum
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Re: IP por DHCP dejó de funcionar en Debian "bullseye" [RESUELTO - Por ahora...]

[Yoel Villarreal]

El 22 de agosto de 2022 5:06:57 p. m. JavierDebian 
 escribió:



El 19/8/22 a las 03:45, Camaleón escribió:

El 2022-08-18 a las 21:59 -0300, JavierDebian escribió:


Buenas noches.

Me ha pasado algo extraño.
Debian 11 "bullseye" con kernel 5.10.0-16-amd64.
Network-manager prohibido en el sistema, lo odio porque hace lo que quiere.
Computadora que funciona desde hace 6 años con configuración de red por DHCP
automática, configurado "a mano" por interfaces.
resolvconf corriendo como demonio.

Hace un par de días, se puso remolona para tomar dirección IP. Reiniciado el
enrutador y el equipo un par de veces, lo achaqué a problemas del enrutador
o del servicio provisto por mi ISP, un CISCO Technicolor DPC3848VE DOCSIS
3.0, empresa Flow/Personal/Fibertel Argentina.


El problema de tener el servidor de DHCP en equipos restringidos
(routers, switches o dispositivos integrados) es que apenas permiten
depurar los errores en caso de presentarse problemas.


Hoy hizo lo mismo; intenté la solución anterior y no hubo caso.
Cambié cable de conexión, sin éxito.
"¿Será la placa de red?"
Arranqué Windows desde otra partición; conexión impecable, no es ni el cable
ni la placa ni el enrutador.
Arranco un SystemRescueCD, y toma la dirección sin problemas.
Vuelvo a Debian, no toma dirección IP.
Levanto una máquina VirtualBox en Debian que corre un Win7 con la red en
modo puente... toma la dirección sin inconvenientes

Configuro la red en forma manual, con IP fija y todo a mano
Funciona sin inconvenientes.

Vuelvo atrás, a configurar por DHCP automático; no funciona, pero sólo en
Debian 11.
Cambio a kernel 5.10.0-13, no sea que el kernel nuevo tenga algún problema,
aún siendo "stable"; sigue sin funcionar.

Ahora estoy en modo IP estático, funcionando sin problemas... salvo que no
puedo volver a DHCP dinámico, porque no funciona.

Para usar la máquina, no me afecta, pero... NO ME GUSTA QUE EL SISTEMA HAGA
COSAS QUE NO DEBERÍA HACER, O NO HAGA LO QUE SÍ.

Seguiré investigando.

Si a alguno le pasó algo así, escucho sugerencias.


Yo probaría lo siguiente:

1. Fuerza la renovación de la IP, a ver si el Cisco le asigna otra
nueva y se puede configurar el adaptador de red sin problemas.

Dependiendo de qué cliente dhcp uses (hoy en día me pierdo con tantas
opciones: systemd, dhclient, network-manager...) tendrás que hacer una
cosa u otra para renovar los datos del adaptador:

Linux Force DHCP Client (dhclient) to Renew IP Address
https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-renew-dhcp-client-ip-address/

2. A modo de prueba, y si te resulta posible, configura otro servidor o
sistema (router/switch) como servidor DHCP (desconecta el Cisco de la
red para evitar conflictos) a ver si el Debian 11 puede configurarse
preguntando a otro servidor.

3. Revisa los registros para ver qué puede estar fallando (syslog,
journalctl) o intenta configurar el adpatador de red desde línea de
órdenes (con dhclient -v...) para ver si tienes más información del
problema, recibes un timeout, etc...

Saludos,




Tomando en cuenta las indicaciones de Camaleón, procedí a:

1 - Eliminar resolvconf, avahi-autoipd, isc-dhcp-client-ddns e
isc-dhcp-client. O sea, todo lo que tenga que ver con manejos
automágicos de redes, excepto systemd, por supuesto... (network-manager
está prohibido en mi sistema).

2 - Reinstalar resolvconf e isc-dhcp-client.

3 - Reconfigurar nuevamente /etc/interfaces para dirección IP por DHCP.

4 - Reiniciar el equipo.

Mágicamente, funciona.

Ayer pasó lo mismo en otra máquina que tiene mi hija en su habitación;
empezó a no resolver IP. Y ayer, justamente, fue "día de actualización
de la PC de la niña".

Me huelo a alguna actualización o instalación de algo (?) que desbarató
algo otro (?).

Gracias.

JAP

Quizás no fue algo "roto". Quizás fue que no leímos el changelog.

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Re: IP por DHCP dejó de funcionar en Debian "bullseye" [RESUELTO - Por ahora...]

[JavierDebian]

El 19/8/22 a las 03:45, Camaleón escribió:

El 2022-08-18 a las 21:59 -0300, JavierDebian escribió:


Buenas noches.

Me ha pasado algo extraño.
Debian 11 "bullseye" con kernel 5.10.0-16-amd64.
Network-manager prohibido en el sistema, lo odio porque hace lo que quiere.
Computadora que funciona desde hace 6 años con configuración de red por DHCP
automática, configurado "a mano" por interfaces.
resolvconf corriendo como demonio.

Hace un par de días, se puso remolona para tomar dirección IP. Reiniciado el
enrutador y el equipo un par de veces, lo achaqué a problemas del enrutador
o del servicio provisto por mi ISP, un CISCO Technicolor DPC3848VE DOCSIS
3.0, empresa Flow/Personal/Fibertel Argentina.


El problema de tener el servidor de DHCP en equipos restringidos
(routers, switches o dispositivos integrados) es que apenas permiten
depurar los errores en caso de presentarse problemas.


Hoy hizo lo mismo; intenté la solución anterior y no hubo caso.
Cambié cable de conexión, sin éxito.
"¿Será la placa de red?"
Arranqué Windows desde otra partición; conexión impecable, no es ni el cable
ni la placa ni el enrutador.
Arranco un SystemRescueCD, y toma la dirección sin problemas.
Vuelvo a Debian, no toma dirección IP.
Levanto una máquina VirtualBox en Debian que corre un Win7 con la red en
modo puente... toma la dirección sin inconvenientes

Configuro la red en forma manual, con IP fija y todo a mano
Funciona sin inconvenientes.

Vuelvo atrás, a configurar por DHCP automático; no funciona, pero sólo en
Debian 11.
Cambio a kernel 5.10.0-13, no sea que el kernel nuevo tenga algún problema,
aún siendo "stable"; sigue sin funcionar.

Ahora estoy en modo IP estático, funcionando sin problemas... salvo que no
puedo volver a DHCP dinámico, porque no funciona.

Para usar la máquina, no me afecta, pero... NO ME GUSTA QUE EL SISTEMA HAGA
COSAS QUE NO DEBERÍA HACER, O NO HAGA LO QUE SÍ.

Seguiré investigando.

Si a alguno le pasó algo así, escucho sugerencias.


Yo probaría lo siguiente:

1. Fuerza la renovación de la IP, a ver si el Cisco le asigna otra
nueva y se puede configurar el adaptador de red sin problemas.

Dependiendo de qué cliente dhcp uses (hoy en día me pierdo con tantas
opciones: systemd, dhclient, network-manager...) tendrás que hacer una
cosa u otra para renovar los datos del adaptador:

Linux Force DHCP Client (dhclient) to Renew IP Address
https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-renew-dhcp-client-ip-address/

2. A modo de prueba, y si te resulta posible, configura otro servidor o
sistema (router/switch) como servidor DHCP (desconecta el Cisco de la
red para evitar conflictos) a ver si el Debian 11 puede configurarse
preguntando a otro servidor.

3. Revisa los registros para ver qué puede estar fallando (syslog,
journalctl) o intenta configurar el adpatador de red desde línea de
órdenes (con dhclient -v...) para ver si tienes más información del
problema, recibes un timeout, etc...

Saludos,




Tomando en cuenta las indicaciones de Camaleón, procedí a:

1 - Eliminar resolvconf, avahi-autoipd, isc-dhcp-client-ddns e 
isc-dhcp-client. O sea, todo lo que tenga que ver con manejos 
automágicos de redes, excepto systemd, por supuesto... (network-manager 
está prohibido en mi sistema).


2 - Reinstalar resolvconf e isc-dhcp-client.

3 - Reconfigurar nuevamente /etc/interfaces para dirección IP por DHCP.

4 - Reiniciar el equipo.

Mágicamente, funciona.

Ayer pasó lo mismo en otra máquina que tiene mi hija en su habitación; 
empezó a no resolver IP. Y ayer, justamente, fue "día de actualización 
de la PC de la niña".


Me huelo a alguna actualización o instalación de algo (?) que desbarató 
algo otro (?).


Gracias.

JAP

Re: Rant: The need for books to document things (was: Re: Virtual Machines)

[Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ]

On Montag, 22. August 2022 14:47:15 -04 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 01:58:57PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, August 22, 2022 08:50:02 AM Tom Browder wrote:
> > > Can anyone recommend a good book on the general topic of VMs? Or
> > > one on a specific VM stack (using Linux as  base)?
> >
> > At this point, I've requested two books on the subject (by
> > inter-library loan) -- one about 700 pages, the other about 280
> > (iirc) pages.
> >
> > It just seems documentation ought to be better / simpler / easier to
> > use than that.
>
> You could do worse than the original O'Reilly book on SSH.
>
I'd recommend:


SSH Mastery
OpenSSH, PuTTY, Tunnels and Keys
by Michael W Lucas
Tilted Windmill Press


https://www.tiltedwindmillpress.com/product/ssh-mastery-2nd-edition/[1]

regards
Eike


[1] https://www.tiltedwindmillpress.com/product/ssh-mastery-2nd-edition/

Re: Bookworm: Firefox v102 seems to be hanging quite often

[Nicolas George]

local10 (12022-08-21):
> Have upgraded to FF v102 a couple of days ago but it looks like
> something isn't quite right with this version of FF. Have to restart
> it once or twice a day because FF just stops responding. The issue
> doesn't seem to be related to any particular site. Same hardware, same
> Debian (Bookworm), same FF plugins.
> 
> The previous FF version (v91, IIRC) was a lot more stable, practically
> never crashed or hanged.

I had a similar issue, but rather with the previous version(s). It
seemed related to opening tooltips. I have not had it since the last
upgrade two days ago.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Bookworm: Firefox v102 seems to be hanging quite often

[local10]

Aug 21, 2022, 18:28 by loca...@tutanota.com:

> Have upgraded to FF v102 a couple of days ago but it looks like something 
> isn't quite right with this version of FF. Have to restart it once or twice a 
> day because FF just stops responding. The issue doesn't seem to be related to 
> any particular site. Same hardware, same Debian (Bookworm), same FF plugins.
>
> The previous FF version (v91, IIRC) was a lot more stable, practically never 
> crashed or hanged.
>
> Just me? Thanks
>
> # aptitude show firefox-esr
> Package: firefox-esr   
> Version: 102.1.0esr-2
>
> # cat /etc/debian_version && uname -a
> bookworm/sid
> Linux tst 5.18.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 5.18.16-1 (2022-08-10) 
> x86_64 GNU/Linux
>

Nobody else having issues with Firefox v102? 

Regards,

Re: Rant: The need for books to document things (was: Re: Virtual Machines)

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 01:58:57PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 08:50:02 AM Tom Browder wrote:
> > Can anyone recommend a good book on the general topic of VMs? Or one on a
> > specific VM stack (using Linux as  base)?
> 
> At this point, I've requested two books on the subject (by inter-library 
> loan) 
> -- one about 700 pages, the other about 280 (iirc) pages.
> 
> It just seems documentation ought to be better / simpler / easier to use than 
> that.
> 

You could do worse than the original O'Reilly book on SSH.

> Aside: I'm hoping to do my part -- when I get an understanding of the parts 
> of 
> ssh I want to understand to my level of satisfaction, I intend to document it 
> (on my WikiLearn wiki).  I might even document it before then with notes 
> about 
> things I'm uncertain about or may have just plain omitted (for lack of 
> information).  (I say that because I've spent too much time on this, and 
> we'll 
> soon have to concentrate on more urgent priorities.)
> 
> Aside: I do recognize that when I started digging into ssh, and those methods 
> of authentication, I just didn't realize how complicated it is at some 
> levels, 
> with all the different encryption, hash, cipher or other related methods that 
> can be used, and things like Diffie-Hellman key exchange, but still,.. 
> 
> And there are other people trying to help by writing accurate yet simplified 
> stuff on things like wikis.
> 
> Hmm, but I wonder, can I start to write something on VMs that might be 
> helpful 
> to the OP or to some other newbie to VMs?
> 
> I might try, even though I have never used a VM (well, I might have once, 
> but, 
> at the moment, any recollection of that seems to be completely faded.
> 
> So here's what I might try to tell someone.
> 
> I'd say that a VM (virtual machine) can be used as at least one of its 
> purposes, to run some different software (maybe usually the OS, or including 
> an 
> OS) in a computer.  
> 
> For example, as was mentioned / recommended in some other recent thread, to a 
> person who wanted to run and old version of openssh (the version that ran on 
> Debian 9) on a computer with Debian 1 as an OS, is to create a VM and run 
> Debian 9 and its version of openssh in that VM.
> 
> That can be done.  There are issues to consider, like which and how the 
> hardware (and software) resources of the "parent" OS can be addressed by the 
> software in the VM.
> 
> There are various programs / systems that can be used to set up a VM, and, 
> I'm 
> pretty sure there are options in at least some of those systems to address 
> the 
> questions of which and how the resources of the parent OS can be addressed by 
> the software in the VM.  
> 
> One example might be the question of can you cut and paste between the VM and 
> the parent (or, if there is more than one VM, can you cut and paste between 
> VMs).
> 
> Others to consider (maybe):  
> 
>* can the software in the VM (directly) address filesystems in the parent, 
> or must either new filesystems be created in the VM or access explicitly 
> allowed for some filesystems
> 
>* can the network be addressed from the VM
> 
>* can you print from the VM
> 
> Like I'm trying to imply, the answers to those questions may (probably does 
> vary) by the software used to create the VM and options that may or may not 
> be 
> set.
> 
> I wonder if that is a helpful start, or what the next questions might be
> 
> Oh, maybe a few more things:
> 
>* terminology: I think VMs are sometimes referred to as containers.  Also, 
> I think there are other things that are referred to as containers that are 
> not 
> VMs
> 

A container need not be a full VM: in most cases a VM is more than a container.

>* I have the idea that at least to some extent that the concept of VMs 
> somewhat evolved from the concept of chroot jails (so maybe a chroot jail can 
> be considered a sort of primitive version of a VM?)
> 
>* I would list the names of a few software systems that can create a VM -- 
> not many of them come to my mind at the moment -- maybe qemu is one of them?? 
>  
> (I should google that, but I think I'm quitting for now.)
> 
> Oh, ok, one "hit" from google [vm software for linux] -- oh, wait, what I 
> quoted is "opensource virtualization software" -- should I distinguish that 
> from VM (virtual machine) software, and, if so what is / are the 
> distinction(s)?  (By the way, qemu is mentioned in some other hits.)
> 
> 
> Which VM software is best for Linux?
> Top opensource virtualization software for Linux
> 1
> Oracle VirtualBox. VirtualBox. VirtualBox was founded in 2007 by Oracle 
> Corporation. ... 

Partially Free software, some parts have a personal use licence. Potentially
avoid.

> 2
> Linux KVM. KVM. ... 

Pretty much the standard.

> 3
> Microsoft Hyper-V. Hyper-V-Manager. ... 

This is useful if the underlying machine is running Windows. WSL2 can
also run on top of Windows and is 

Re: Mail Transfer Agent

[David Christensen]

On 8/20/22 23:36, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

 Hi,
 I'm having problem with my actuel email provider (the one that goes 
with  my web hosting plan) ...

... would you have any suggestion for a service ?




On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, David Christensen wrote:


I have had a domain host plan (DNS, WWW, mail, shell) with Hurricane 
Electric for 20 years or so, and am pleased with their service:


he.net



On 8/21/22 09:26, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> David,
> I am sure you  are respecting security, but can we have a way to
> research hurricane  electrics mail shell options?
> Thanks,


Yes, you can -- browse Hurricane Electric's web site and/or contact sales.


David

Re: Windows on VMware on Deb 11: safely usable?

[john doe]

On 8/22/2022 2:41 PM, Tom Browder wrote:

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 21:39 step...@gmail.com  wrote:


On 8/17/22 19:35, Stefan Monnier wrote:

Tom Browder [2022-08-17 05:53:05] wrote:

I would love to run Windows on a VM on Debian iff I can have it be

reliable

enough to use with reasonable response (no games, just Office 360, IO
Drive, H Block, and such). I haven't kept up with the VM world but a
quick search shows VMware might be a good choice.


Last I had to run a Windows VM I used kvm (aka Qemu) and that worked
very nicely.  It's easy to install (it's in the Debian repositories),
very featureful, and used for "real systems" (tho in my case I always
used it very punctually to run some specific tool only available in
Windows).


Yep; same. Ran multiple windows vms in kvm (libvirt/qemu). Stable and
solid.



So I will try Debian 11's packages "qemu-kvm" and "aqemu" and install
Windows 10" as a test on my current main host, but only if I can remove all
if I need to and if it will not interfere with my smooth running setup. Is
that true?

>

Impossible to answer as we do not know what 'will not interfere with my
smooth running setup' implies.

If you go with Libvirt, you can remove everything if you so choose by
doing something like:

$ apt-get --autoremove purge libvirt


When you get the hang of it I'm pretty sure that you won't go back! :)

--
John Doe

Re: Rant: The need for books to document things (was: Re: Virtual Machines)

[Michael Stone]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 01:58:57PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

It just seems documentation ought to be better / simpler / easier to use than
that.


There's an inverse correlation between completeness and simplicity. If 
you don't want to read a 700 page book, the other alternative is to 
spend years using the software, reading the code, finding solutions to 
unexpected issues, etc. There are no shortcuts.

Rant: The need for books to document things (was: Re: Virtual Machines)

[rhkramer]

On Monday, August 22, 2022 08:50:02 AM Tom Browder wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good book on the general topic of VMs? Or one on a
> specific VM stack (using Linux as  base)?

I applaud someone wanting / willing to read a book ;-) (I'm smiling, but I am 
serious.)

I also applaud the recommedation (in a later reply to the original email) for 
an online book (at least one doesn't have to pay for that book (iiuc)).

But the entire concept of needing a book to understand what the OP needs to 
know about or to use VMs just bothers me.

Changing subjects slightly, I've spent a few calendar months (too many) and 
manhours (not all that many, but still too many) trying to dig into what I 
feel I need / want to know about ssh (and more specifically, the Certificate 
Authoriity, public key, and password methods of authentication).

I tried reading a fair quantity of online (or on machine -- e.g., man pages) 
documents on the subject and just haven't found what I need or want to know 
(that is, without contradictions, obscurities, (significant (to me) omissions 
or confusing (in some cases ambiguous) terminology.

At this point, I've requested two books on the subject (by inter-library loan) 
-- one about 700 pages, the other about 280 (iirc) pages.

It just seems documentation ought to be better / simpler / easier to use than 
that.

Aside: I'm hoping to do my part -- when I get an understanding of the parts of 
ssh I want to understand to my level of satisfaction, I intend to document it 
(on my WikiLearn wiki).  I might even document it before then with notes about 
things I'm uncertain about or may have just plain omitted (for lack of 
information).  (I say that because I've spent too much time on this, and we'll 
soon have to concentrate on more urgent priorities.)

Maybe I'm just getting old (despite my plan to start getting younger at each 
birthday since the one at which I would have turned 65 ;-), but it (ssh in my 
case) just seems harder than I would have expected (especially considering how 
easy it can be to use, especially with "just plain" password authentication.

Anyway, maybe I just felt the need to rant.

Aside: I do recognize that when I started digging into ssh, and those methods 
of authentication, I just didn't realize how complicated it is at some levels, 
with all the different encryption, hash, cipher or other related methods that 
can be used, and things like Diffie-Hellman key exchange, but still,.. 

And there are other people trying to help by writing accurate yet simplified 
stuff on things like wikis.

There is probably little need to reply -- mainly just a rant I guess.

Have a good day!

Hmm, but I wonder, can I start to write something on VMs that might be helpful 
to the OP or to some other newbie to VMs?

I might try, even though I have never used a VM (well, I might have once, but, 
at the moment, any recollection of that seems to be completely faded.

So here's what I might try to tell someone.

I'd say that a VM (virtual machine) can be used as at least one of its 
purposes, to run some different software (maybe usually the OS, or including an 
OS) in a computer.  

For example, as was mentioned / recommended in some other recent thread, to a 
person who wanted to run and old version of openssh (the version that ran on 
Debian 9) on a computer with Debian 1 as an OS, is to create a VM and run 
Debian 9 and its version of openssh in that VM.

That can be done.  There are issues to consider, like which and how the 
hardware (and software) resources of the "parent" OS can be addressed by the 
software in the VM.

There are various programs / systems that can be used to set up a VM, and, I'm 
pretty sure there are options in at least some of those systems to address the 
questions of which and how the resources of the parent OS can be addressed by 
the software in the VM.  

One example might be the question of can you cut and paste between the VM and 
the parent (or, if there is more than one VM, can you cut and paste between 
VMs).

Others to consider (maybe):  

   * can the software in the VM (directly) address filesystems in the parent, 
or must either new filesystems be created in the VM or access explicitly 
allowed for some filesystems

   * can the network be addressed from the VM

   * can you print from the VM

Like I'm trying to imply, the answers to those questions may (probably does 
vary) by the software used to create the VM and options that may or may not be 
set.

I wonder if that is a helpful start, or what the next questions might be

Oh, maybe a few more things:

   * terminology: I think VMs are sometimes referred to as containers.  Also, 
I think there are other things that are referred to as containers that are not 
VMs

   * I have the idea that at least to some extent that the concept of VMs 
somewhat evolved from the concept of chroot jails (so maybe a chroot jail can 
be considered a sort of primitive version of a VM?)

   * I would list the 

Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Nicolas George]

Curt (12022-08-22):
> What about 'gtk3-nocsd'?
> 
>  Description-en: Disable Gtk+ 3 client side decorations (CSD)
>  gtk3-nocsd LD_PRELOADs a small library to disable the client side
>  decorations (CSD) of Gtk+ 3.
>  
> ...
> 
> Or maybe this isn't the remedy to the ills referred to in the thread.
> I mentioned this utility to someone here recently complaining of 
> similar gnomish woes, but he disappeared after his initial
> query (at least I think he did).
> 
> Of course, it's a hack. But that's life in the big city, as my mother
> used to say. 

I think I had heard of it but forgotten. It works, but LD_PRELOADs are
fragile. A patched version of Gtk+3 would be more robust. Also, IIRC,
somebody maintains a set of patches somewhere, and I have a bookmark
somewhere.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 8/22/22 4:07 AM, Nicolas George wrote:

. . . A manifestation of the “we know better than you” mindset of the
GNOME people. . . .
*JUST* the GNOME people? I've found that, in general, the "we know 
better than you" mindset is even worse with Apple and M$. And getting 
worse still, especially with Apple.


My choice for volume icons, for example, has always been a vintage disk 
pack for an old IBM 3330 "Merlin" drive, sitting idle, in a pack-cover. 
And my choice for a desktop background has always been a brick wall 
(ever since I first had a chance to play with ResEdit on a Mac Plus, 
more than half a lifetime ago). Do I shove this down anybody else's 
throat? No. But neither do I care to have somebody else's look-and-feel 
elements shoved down my throat.


--
James H. H. Lampert
(I also like a garbage can icon to look like a garbage can. With a 
WinDoze logo on it.)

Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Nicolas George]

Victor Sudakov (12022-08-22):
> > # Gtk+3 sucks
> > Style "Application Class" !MWMDecor
> > Style "Gajim" !MWMDecor
> Where do you put this magic? Hopefully it could help me fix Lens and
> Teams? I hate applications to bring their own decorations.

In ~/.fvwm2rc, so I doubt it will be useful for you, sorry.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Victor Sudakov]

Nicolas George wrote:
> 
> It is, I have found, a problem with most Gtk+3 applications. A
> manifestation of the “we know better than you” mindset of the GNOME
> people. I have not found a solution to disable it globally, short of
> patching Gtk+3 itself. The best I have found is to force my WM to ignore
> the hint on a case-by-case basis:
> 
> # Gtk+3 sucks
> Style "Application Class" !MWMDecor
> Style "Gajim" !MWMDecor

Where do you put this magic? Hopefully it could help me fix Lens and
Teams? I hate applications to bring their own decorations.

-- 
Victor Sudakov VAS4-RIPE
http://vas.tomsk.ru/
2:5005/49@fidonet


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Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Victor Sudakov]

Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 10:02:22AM +, Victor Sudakov wrote:
> > Any applications using standard decorations (Firefox, MATE Terminal,
> > Google Chrome etc).
> 
> It's worth pointing out, perhaps, that Google Chrome does *not* use
> the standard window manager decorations by default.  There is, however,
> an option you can toggle to make it do so.
> 
> (Unless this behavior changed in some recent version -- but I doubt it.)

Looks like it does now by default, which is nice of them.

> 
> Firefox, on the other hand, *does* use the regular widgets.
> 

On that computer, I have seen only 2 apps so far which use their own
decorations, they are Microsoft Teams and Lens. 

-- 
Victor Sudakov VAS4-RIPE
http://vas.tomsk.ru/
2:5005/49@fidonet


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Fwd: Virtual Machines

[Tom Browder]

Arg, forgot again (maybe I can blame my iPhone)

-- Forwarded message -
From: Tom Browder 
Date: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 12:04
Subject: Re: Virtual Machines
To: Chuck Zmudzinski 



On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:09 Chuck Zmudzinski 
wrote:

> On 8/22/2022 8:50 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
> > Can anyone recommend a good book on the general topic of VMs? Or one on
> a specific VM stack (using Linux as  base)?
>
> This looks like a comprehensive and reasonably up-to-date online book:
>
> https://linuxhandbook.com/virtualization/


Thanks, that’s a good resource, but I’m looking for a dead tree book
without having to print PDF. Manning (or Packt) has a couple but they don’t
get good reviews

-Tom

Re: Mail Transfer Agent

[rhkramer]

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 01:09:09 PM Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Well, if we are going to plug services, shellworld is fantastic!
> Even under new management service remains profoundly wonderful.
> My personal site is hosted here too, with my paying $60 for both
> accounts.

Is that shellworld.net?  I don't find anything at shellworld.com, and what I 
get on the homepage of shellworld.net is not very helpful -- doesn't seem to 
lead me to any list of features or way to sign up.


-- 
rhk

If you reply: snip, snip, and snip again; leave attributions; avoid HTML; 
avoid top posting; and keep it "on list".  (Oxford comma included at no 
charge.)  If you change topics, change the Subject: line. 

Writing is often meant for others to read (legal agreements excepted?) -- make 
it easier for your reader by various means, including liberal use of 
whitespace.

If someone else has already responded to a question, decide whether any 
response you add will be helpful or not ...

A picture is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of video 
(or audio) or create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original.

Re: Windows on VMware on Deb 11: safely usable?

[Bob Weber]

On 8/22/22 08:41, Tom Browder wrote:

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 21:39 step...@gmail.com  wrote:

On 8/17/22 19:35, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Tom Browder [2022-08-17 05:53:05] wrote:
>> I would love to run Windows on a VM on Debian iff I can have it be 
reliable
>> enough to use with reasonable response (no games, just Office 360, IO
>> Drive, H Block, and such). I haven't kept up with the VM world but a
>> quick search shows VMware might be a good choice.
>
> Last I had to run a Windows VM I used kvm (aka Qemu) and that worked
> very nicely.  It's easy to install (it's in the Debian repositories),
> very featureful, and used for "real systems" (tho in my case I always
> used it very punctually to run some specific tool only available in
> Windows).

Yep; same. Ran multiple windows vms in kvm (libvirt/qemu). Stable and solid.


So I will try Debian 11's packages "qemu-kvm" and "aqemu" and install Windows 
10" as a test on my current main host, but only if I can remove all if I need 
to and if it will not interfere with my smooth running setup. Is that true?


Note if I proceed and need help, I will start a new thread.

-Tom


Why not try virt-manager package.  At least it is updated recently.  
See:https://virt-manager.org/ for details. It even runs VMs on remote machines 
over ssh ... a function I've used before.


When you run a VM it displays it in a window with full graphics and mouse 
support.  I have 20 or so VMs ... even several Windows 10 ... to try updates for 
Debian testing before I commit them to my main host machine.  You can easily set 
the number of CPUs, memory, disk space, graphics, network and more for the VM.  
You can pass USB devices to the VM all through virt-manager.


I have run a weather station in a Debian VM for over 8 years with little 
problem.

I am running a 10+ year old AMD 6 core CPU with 24GB memory.  Windows 10 seems 
to run fine with 5GB of memory.



--


*...Bob*

Re: openssh server

[Ángel]

On 2022-08-22 at 08:42 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 12:33:42PM +0200, Radwan Daoud wrote:
> >I want to install an old version of openssh server on my Debian 11.
> >I want to install Debian 9 ssh version on Debian 11 ,  is that possible:
> >[1]https://packages.debian.org/stretch/openssh-server
> >Please don't ask me , I want to do that 
> >Thanks 
>
> Installing that older version of openssh directly on Debian 11 is likely
> to come with some issues related to dependecies.  I would recommend that
> you create a chroot, docker container, or some other separate
> environment with Debian 9 and install the openssh-server packages there,
> where you will be certain to get all the dependencies automatically and
> without the possibility of disturbing other packages and their
> dependencies (which can happen when mixing packages from different
> Debian releases).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Roberto


The problem of installing openssh-server into a chroot/container/VM is
that when connecting to the system, he would end up into that
container. He may be able to install in a chroot but allow himself to
exit into the main system once connected, but it's not elegant.

I think a better solution in this case would be to recompile the
openssh-server source package from stretch in bullseye. It will
probably compile cleanly, and should avoid most dependency problems
that could arise if he instead used the binary package.


Nonetheless, I know that the OP said
> Please don't ask me , I want to do that 

but I'm pretty sure this is a XY Problem , 
and the actual issue is probably that be OP is no longer able to
connect from certain client, but thinks it worked in stretch, so
decided to install an old version of openssh-server.

Whereas the right solution is probably to either:
a) Install an updated ssh client
b) Change a few lines on sshd_config so that the newer openssh-server
in bullseye still allows that outdated client to connect.


Regards

Re: Virtual Machines

[Chuck Zmudzinski]

On 8/22/2022 8:50 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good book on the general topic of VMs? Or one on a 
> specific VM stack (using Linux as  base)?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Tom

This looks like a comprehensive and reasonably up-to-date online book:

https://linuxhandbook.com/virtualization/

Best regards,

Chuck

Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Curt]

On 2022-08-22, Nicolas George  wrote:
>
> It is, I have found, a problem with most Gtk+3 applications. A
> manifestation of the we know better than you mindset of the GNOME
> people. I have not found a solution to disable it globally, short of
> patching Gtk+3 itself. The best I have found is to force my WM to ignore
> the hint on a case-by-case basis:

What about 'gtk3-nocsd'?

 Description-en: Disable Gtk+ 3 client side decorations (CSD)
 gtk3-nocsd LD_PRELOADs a small library to disable the client side
 decorations (CSD) of Gtk+ 3.
 
...

Or maybe this isn't the remedy to the ills referred to in the thread.
I mentioned this utility to someone here recently complaining of 
similar gnomish woes, but he disappeared after his initial
query (at least I think he did).

Of course, it's a hack. But that's life in the big city, as my mother
used to say. 

Re: how to change device number in RAID array

[Charles Curley]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 10:00:34 -0400
Gary Dale  wrote:

> I'm running Debian/Bookworm on an AMD64 system. I recently added a 
> second drive to it for use in a RAID1 array. However I'm now getting 
> regular messages about "SparesMissing event on...".
> 
> cat /proc/mdstat shows the problem: active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[2] -
> the newly added drive is showing up as [2] instead of [1]. Apparently
> mdadm thinks there should be another drive sitting around as a spare.
> 
> Is there a simple way to fix this?

Have you tried searching the Internet on that error message?

It might help if you showed the entire output from /proc/mdstat,
complete with shell prompts. E.g.:

root@hawk:~# cat /proc/mdstat 
Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid1] 
[raid10] 
md0 : active raid5 sdc1[0] sdd1[1] sde1[4](S) sdb1[3]
  7813768832 blocks super 1.2 level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/3] [UUU]
  bitmap: 0/30 pages [0KB], 65536KB chunk

unused devices: 
root@hawk:~#

You may notice from my output that I have raid on 0, 1, 3, and 4. 4 is
the spare. 3 and 4 are not in numeric order. And there is no 2. So I'm
not sure that the fact that your new partition is showing up out of
numeric order is significant. Perhaps someone with better RAID
experience can address this.

-- 
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Re: how to change device number in RAID array

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 8/22/22, Gary Dale  wrote:
> I'm running Debian/Bookworm on an AMD64 system. I recently added a
> second drive to it for use in a RAID1 array. However I'm now getting
> regular messages about "SparesMissing event on...".
>
> cat /proc/mdstat shows the problem: active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[2] - the
> newly added drive is showing up as [2] instead of [1]. Apparently mdadm
> thinks there should be another drive sitting around as a spare.
>
> Is there a simple way to fix this?


Disclaimer: I've never done this, but I found the following while
playing along via Internet search:

https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Mdstat

They show multiple different scenarios reaching out to e.g. [5] where
different numbers are missing in theirs, too.

You know what.. this section:

https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Mdstat#md_device_line

You're seeing my second email on this. In the first one, I referenced
my experience with Thunar occasionally doing odd things with renaming.
My original email had asked if there was a chance that the device in
question had been dropped then automatically (or even manually)
reattached. That seems to be what they're saying there ("Notice that
there is no device 3.")...

Maybe. :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

how to change device number in RAID array

[Gary Dale]

I'm running Debian/Bookworm on an AMD64 system. I recently added a 
second drive to it for use in a RAID1 array. However I'm now getting 
regular messages about "SparesMissing event on...".


cat /proc/mdstat shows the problem: active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[2] - the 
newly added drive is showing up as [2] instead of [1]. Apparently mdadm 
thinks there should be another drive sitting around as a spare.


Is there a simple way to fix this?

Thanks.

Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Apprendre à sécuriser un réseau domestique

[Sébastien NOBILI]

Bonjour,

Le 2022-08-19 21:55, benoit a écrit :

A ok je ne savais pas qui fallait aussi bloquer les accès  en sortie
(ça veut dire les ports je suppose) bon a savoir.


C'est comme pour n'importe quelle mesure de sécurité : plus tu en mets,
plus tu es protégé, mais plus tu es contraint également. Il arrive un
moment où la contrainte est telle que la mesure de sécurité est 
contournée.

Il faut trouver le niveau adapté à ton contexte.


Une question que je me pausais : est-ce que ça servirait à quelque
chose au niveau sécurité (anti rootkit ou autre) d’installer la
partition /  (avec root, etc, boot, usr) sur une carte SD verrouillée
en écriture et /var (pour la DB de mon site et les log ) et /home sur
le disque dur ?

Ainsi je n’aurais qu’à déverrouiller la carte lors des mises à jour et
la verrouiller ensuit.

Ou bien est-ce que du code malveillant peut tout aussi bien être
installé dans /var ?


Ou même dans /home !

Verrouiller /, /var, etc. te permettra d'ajouter un niveau 
supplémentaire

avant que le système soit corrompu. Si quelqu'un exploite une faille qui
ne lui donne accès qu'à un compte aux privilèges restreints, alors ton
système sera toujours intègre. Ça n'empêchera pas pour autant d'utiliser
ce compte restreint pour mener des attaques.

Mais imaginons que tu mettes en place un tel mécanisme. Imaginons aussi
que quelqu'un exploite une faille d'un compte utilisateur aux privilèges
restreints.
Est-ce que tu pourras considérer sereinement que le système est toujours
intègre ? Qu'est-ce qui te garantira qu'une autre faille n'a pas été
exploitée pour modifier le système ?

Là encore, il n'y a pas de réponse absolue et il n'y a jamais de moment
où tu peux considérer que tu as écarté tous les risques.

Sébastien

Virtual Machines

[Tom Browder]

Can anyone recommend a good book on the general topic of VMs? Or one on a
specific VM stack (using Linux as  base)?

Thanks.

-Tom

Re: Windows on VMware on Deb 11: safely usable?

[Tom Browder]

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 21:39 step...@gmail.com  wrote:

> On 8/17/22 19:35, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Tom Browder [2022-08-17 05:53:05] wrote:
> >> I would love to run Windows on a VM on Debian iff I can have it be
> reliable
> >> enough to use with reasonable response (no games, just Office 360, IO
> >> Drive, H Block, and such). I haven't kept up with the VM world but a
> >> quick search shows VMware might be a good choice.
> >
> > Last I had to run a Windows VM I used kvm (aka Qemu) and that worked
> > very nicely.  It's easy to install (it's in the Debian repositories),
> > very featureful, and used for "real systems" (tho in my case I always
> > used it very punctually to run some specific tool only available in
> > Windows).
>
> Yep; same. Ran multiple windows vms in kvm (libvirt/qemu). Stable and
> solid.


So I will try Debian 11's packages "qemu-kvm" and "aqemu" and install
Windows 10" as a test on my current main host, but only if I can remove all
if I need to and if it will not interfere with my smooth running setup. Is
that true?

Note if I proceed and need help, I will start a new thread.

-Tom

Re: openssh server

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 12:33:42PM +0200, Radwan Daoud wrote:
>I want to install an old version of openssh server on my Debian 11.
>I want to install Debian 9 ssh version on Debian 11 ,  is that possible:
>[1]https://packages.debian.org/stretch/openssh-server
>Please don't ask me , I want to do that 
>Thanks 
> 
Your question belongs on the debian-user list, not the debian-www list
(which is about maintenance of Debian's websites).

Installing that older version of openssh directly on Debian 11 is likely
to come with some issues related to dependecies.  I would recommend that
you create a chroot, docker container, or some other separate
environment with Debian 9 and install the openssh-server packages there,
where you will be certain to get all the dependencies automatically and
without the possibility of disturbing other packages and their
dependencies (which can happen when mixing packages from different
Debian releases).

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Bret Busby]

On 22/8/22 18:46, Victor Sudakov wrote:

Bret Busby wrote:

[dd]


I use the Theme named "TraditionalOk", with the panel at the bottom of
the screen, and it is the most like MS Windows 95, and, gives my the
interface that I prefer.


I don't have any "TraditionalOk" theme there, just countless variants of the
Yaru-* themes. How did you add the "TraditionalOk" theme? Is it in
some package?




I have been using this them,e for so many years, that I have forgotten
whether it came as a default theme that was available, or, whether I
added it.

However, In the Appearance window, in the Themes tab, where I have the
theme displayed, at the bottom left corner, is "Get more themes online".
Clicking that, opens a web page, in the default web browser, at
https://mate-desktop.org/themes/
and selecting
"GTK 2.x themes"
...
Unfortunately, that is not searchable, a search cannot be performed, for
a theme name.


Oh, thanks for the hint!  https://www.mate-look.org/browse?cat=135 is
in fact searchable, there is a (poorly visible) search bar which you
can use: https://www.mate-look.org/find?search=TraditionalOk


After going through about 40 screens, and not finding it, by doing a
search, using the "site=" to search that site, I found it, not as a mate
theme, but as a gnome (from gnome2, I assume, which mate is supposed to
emulate) theme;
https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1407000
the variant that I use, is TraditionalOkBrave (the blue and grey one).

I think, in resembling the MS Windows 95 interface, it also resembles
the fvwm interface, but, it is decades since I used the fvwm interface.


That's great! It looks like every user of this computer will have to
install the theme individually but this is a solution! I've chosen
the TraditionalOk-Dust theme, it reminds me of the previous version of
the MATE desktop.


I hope that this helps.


It does! Thank you very much, Bret!



And, after all of that, in looking in my Appearance -> Themes, through 
the Yaru stuff, and noticing that the YaruGreen looks like the 
TraditionalGreen, I also noticed that the YaruOk looks like the 
TraditionalOkBrave.


--
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: Instalar Linux a un SSD

[Debian]

El 22/8/22 a las 01:57, Eduardo Jorge Gil Michelena escribió:

AGRADEZCO a todos los que brindaron ayuda.
Este domingo puse manos a la obra, pero... como la PC en cuestión NO se 
actualizaba desde hace AÑOS pues funciona a la perfección a pesar de los 
discos que aún tiene, al abrir el gabinete me encontré una tonelada de 
polvo. Así que lo que he hecho fue limpiarla de todo el polvo que acumuló.


La PC es una AMD de 6 nucleos, a 3 GHz, con 8 MB de RAM y un disco SSD 
(ya instalado hace tiempo) de 240 GB para "datos" y un disco HD SAMSUNG 
(modelo SP1203N) del año de la escarapela de 120 GB que es el que hace 
el booteo y demás.
YA sé que esto NO es lo recomendado pero... cuando lo puse fue de 
"apuro" y... como quedó bien... allí quedó dando vueltas por más de 10 
años. Para colmo ese disco SAMSUNG YA era usado cuando lo puse así 
que... es muy viejo pero... aún hoy funciona a la perfección.


El Linux instalado hasta ahora también es muy viejo, sólo con decir que 
perdió soporte hace más de 6 años da cuenta que en verdad es muy 
viejote. Tampoco me ocupé de sustituirlo porque en los años que llevo 
trabajando (más de 10 horas por día) en esta PC JAMÁS me dado problema 
alguno.


El tema de querer instalar un SO más nuevo viene por el lado de los 
navegadores porque al perder soporte el SO no se actualizan los 
navegadores cosa que me provoca un problemilla para acceder a UNA página 
con la que trabajo todos los días. Tengo un Opera 64 y ahora van por la 
versión 90.


Mañana haré el PEN booteable con el YUMI a ver que tal.
Voy a instalar el SO a un nuevo SSD de 240 GB
Veré como me las arreglo... la intención es hacer una instalación lo más 
simple posible.
Configurar todo de una vez para que dure así muchos años. La anterior 
duró 10 (aprox.) SIN ningún problema.
La verdad que con LINUX las cosas parecen indestructibles y 
extremadamente estables.
SUFRI Windows durante mucho tiempo, por sus constantes parches, 
actualizaciones, fallos, virus, trojanitos varios... así que LINUX me 
cambió la vida.


Ya les contaré lo que hice.

El sábado, 20 de agosto de 2022 16:54:22 ART, JavierDebian 
 escribió:





El 19/8/22 a las 17:25, Eduardo Jorge Gil Michelena escribió:
 > Estimada gente:
 >
 > Este fin de semana voy a instalar un linux a un disco SSD.
 > ¿Alguna recomendación?
 > Me han dicho que NO haga particiones (me parece correcto pero 
pregunto por las dudas)
 > La PC tendrá dos discos SSD (uno de arranque y uno de datos) y 
eventualmente un disco más de los tradicionales.

 >
 > Me gustaría, luego de instalar, anular la escritura de log porque en 
verdad... nunca los leo y eso que llevo años con linux. ahorraría 
escrituras/escrituras y un poquito de espacio.

 >
 > Para instalar usaré PEN drive booteable creado con el Unetbootin ¿hay 
alguno mejor?

 >
 > Desde ya muchas gracias.
 >
 > Saludos.
 >


Yo hice un tutorial que tiene en cuenta lo que pensás hacer, detallado
en 4 casos distintos.

https://wiki.debian.org/es/SSD/InstalarSSD 




Hacé las particiones.
Te ahorran dolores de cabeza con una reinstalación.
Imaginate que hacés algo que "joroba" el sistema, y debés reinstalar;
tendrás primero que hacer copia a otro disto de la /home, como mínimo,
para luego re-formatear el disco nuevamente.

"ahorraría escrituras/escrituras"
Las lecturas no afectan a los SSD.
Sí las escrituras.
Justo hoy estoy actualizando una notebook.
El disco que usaré para el arranque y sistema es un Gigabyte NVMe de
128GB con una garantía de 100TBW.
Eso implica escribir el equivalente a 21.787 DVD; si tomamos los 3 años
de garantía, es equivalente a escribir por día 20 DVD.
Salvo que sea un servidor o un criptominador, no lo vas a escribir NUNCA.

La única recomendación: subir los temp a memoria y ajustar swappines.


JAP




¡Dios, cómo odio el "top posting"!

¿6 nucleos con 8GB? Estimado, subilo a 16GB de RAM, como para empezar a 
hablar; cada procesador NECESITA 2GB para funcionar.
Segundo, si lo subes, no uses swap; el excedente de memoria te lo 
compensa con creces; con eso vas a tener menos ciclos de escrituras 
sobre el disco, salvo que quieras hibernar el equipo en vez de apagar.

Y el tamaño de los discos...
Si no mantienes archivos, un disco de 256GB sobra.

¿YUMI?
Cada uno se martilla los dedos como más le gusta.
Yo prefiero hacer un dd de la imagen del primer DVD al USB en forma directa.

Cuando instales, no dudes: un Debian 11 "bullseye" con escritorio LXQt.
La máquina desde la que estoy escribiendo es una AMD A8-7670K Radeon R7 
de 4 núcleos con 8GB de RAM; va de lujo.


Saludos

JAP

Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Nicolas George]

Greg Wooledge (12022-08-22):
> It's worth pointing out, perhaps, that Google Chrome does *not* use
> the standard window manager decorations by default.  There is, however,
> an option you can toggle to make it do so.

It is, I have found, a problem with most Gtk+3 applications. A
manifestation of the “we know better than you” mindset of the GNOME
people. I have not found a solution to disable it globally, short of
patching Gtk+3 itself. The best I have found is to force my WM to ignore
the hint on a case-by-case basis:

# Gtk+3 sucks
Style "Application Class" !MWMDecor
Style "Gajim" !MWMDecor

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 10:02:22AM +, Victor Sudakov wrote:
> Any applications using standard decorations (Firefox, MATE Terminal,
> Google Chrome etc).

It's worth pointing out, perhaps, that Google Chrome does *not* use
the standard window manager decorations by default.  There is, however,
an option you can toggle to make it do so.

(Unless this behavior changed in some recent version -- but I doubt it.)

Firefox, on the other hand, *does* use the regular widgets.

Re: Instalar Linux a un SSD

[Debian]

El 21/8/22 a las 19:50, Yoel Villarreal escribió:


El 19/8/22 a las 17:25, Eduardo Jorge Gil Michelena escribió:

Estimada gente:

Este fin de semana voy a instalar un linux a un disco SSD.
¿Alguna recomendación?
Me han dicho que NO haga particiones (me parece correcto pero 
pregunto por las dudas)
La PC tendrá dos discos SSD (uno de arranque y uno de datos) y 
eventualmente un disco más de los tradicionales.


Me gustaría, luego de instalar, anular la escritura de log porque en 
verdad... nunca los leo y eso que llevo años con linux. ahorraría 
escrituras/escrituras y un poquito de espacio.


Para instalar usaré PEN drive booteable creado con el Unetbootin ¿hay 
alguno mejor?


Desde ya muchas gracias.

Saludos.




Yo hice un tutorial que tiene en cuenta lo que pensás hacer, detallado
en 4 casos distintos.

https://wiki.debian.org/es/SSD/InstalarSSD


Hacé las particiones.
Te ahorran dolores de cabeza con una reinstalación.
Imaginate que hacés algo que "joroba" el sistema, y debés reinstalar;
tendrás primero que hacer copia a otro disto de la /home, como mínimo,
para luego re-formatear el disco nuevamente.

"ahorraría escrituras/escrituras"
Las lecturas no afectan a los SSD.
Sí las escrituras.
Justo hoy estoy actualizando una notebook.
El disco que usaré para el arranque y sistema es un Gigabyte NVMe de
128GB con una garantía de 100TBW.
Eso implica escribir el equivalente a 21.787 DVD; si tomamos los 3 años
de garantía, es equivalente a escribir por día 20 DVD.
Salvo que sea un servidor o un criptominador, no lo vas a escribir NUNCA.

La única recomendación: subir los temp a memoria y ajustar swappines.


JAP


Javier, lo último que dijistes en tu correo, cómo lo aplico ? Lo de los 
temp a memoria y lo del swapiness? Puedes poner un ejemplo o guía?


El 20 de agosto de 2022 3:54:44 p. m. JavierDebian 
 escribió:
> 
Enviado con Aqua Mail para Android 


https://www.aqua-mail.com 



Buen día.
1 - No hagas "top posting", no se sigue el hilo.
2 - No respondas al privado, si no, a la lista; el resto quiere seguir 
el hilo.

3 - Lo que preguntás, está en el tutorial, al final.
3 - Estás en Cuba...

Bueno, va todo el tutorial en modo texto al pie.

Saludos

JAP

https://wiki.debian.org/es/SSD/InstalarSSD

SSD: Configuración y puesta en funcionamiento

J.A.P. javier.debian.bb...@gmail.com

GNU/Linux Registered User # 389414 (http://counter.li.org)

Abstract

Este documento describe cómo configurar y poner en funcionamiento un 
disco SSD en un sistema Debian GNU/Linux amd64 "bullseye" (stable) - 
Fecha: 22/04/2022


Copyright (C) Javier A. Piendibene, 2005-2022. "SSD: Configuración y 
puesta en funcionamiento" and this document are free software; you can 
redistribute them and/or modify them under the terms of the GNU General 
Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either 
version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. For 
more details, on Debian GNU/Linux systems, see the file 
/usr/doc/copyright/GPL for the full license.


1. Introducción

Suelo instalar, reinstalar y cambiar configuraciones en equipos 
diversos, y suelo olvidarme de cómo lo hice, razón por la cual escribo 
esto, como simplificación de las páginas de referencia principal:


SSD Installation

SSD Partition Scheme

SSD Optimization

La irrupción de la tecnología SSD, Discos de Estado Sólido, (Solid State 
Disk) es para los medios de almacenamiento un avance tan importante como 
el cambio de tecnología IDE a sATA; implica un antes y un después en 
cuanto a rendimiento y velocidad, y como todas las tecnologías, al 
principio caras y con inconvenientes, al día de hoy se han abaratado y 
mejorado relativamente y además, ese abaratamiento hace que posibles 
desventajas que aún hoy poseen, se vuelva irrelevantes.


La primordial GRAN DESVENTAJA del disco SSD es que POSEE VIDA ÚTIL 
LIMITADA POR DISEÑO. Soy más claro:


Un disco HDD tiene una vida útil ilimitada, sólo restringida a 
fallos físicos del material, mecánicos de su maquinaria y electrónicos 
de su controladora, es decir, fallos FÍSICOS; de no suceder, el disco es 
eterno.


Un disco SSD posee una vida útil predeterminada por diseño. Las 
operaciones de escrituras degradan su vida útil.


Esto, que era una gran desventaja para un equipo hogareño hace 10 años, 
hoy no lo es, ya que sus múltiples ventajas compensan sobradamente este 
"desventaja", dado que:


El costo de un SSD (u$s 60) de 500GB es un 50% superior a un HDD 
(u$s 40), pero dicho costo es ínfimo para el valor de una computadora. 
Además, la configuración que detallo, si se trata de un equipo de 
escritorio, no eliminará al HDD, si no que lo complementará, y utilizaré 
un SDD de 120GB (u$s 30).


Hoy, un disco SSD de marca intermedia, posee una vida útil que 
supera los 5 años con creces, si se hace un uso normal familiar y/o de 
oficina administrativa.


2. TBW - Max 

Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Victor Sudakov]

Bret Busby wrote:

[dd]

> >> I use the Theme named "TraditionalOk", with the panel at the bottom of
> >> the screen, and it is the most like MS Windows 95, and, gives my the
> >> interface that I prefer.
> > 
> > I don't have any "TraditionalOk" theme there, just countless variants of the
> > Yaru-* themes. How did you add the "TraditionalOk" theme? Is it in
> > some package?
> > 
> > 
> 
> I have been using this them,e for so many years, that I have forgotten 
> whether it came as a default theme that was available, or, whether I 
> added it.
> 
> However, In the Appearance window, in the Themes tab, where I have the 
> theme displayed, at the bottom left corner, is "Get more themes online". 
> Clicking that, opens a web page, in the default web browser, at
> https://mate-desktop.org/themes/
> and selecting
> "GTK 2.x themes"
> ...
> Unfortunately, that is not searchable, a search cannot be performed, for 
> a theme name.

Oh, thanks for the hint!  https://www.mate-look.org/browse?cat=135 is
in fact searchable, there is a (poorly visible) search bar which you
can use: https://www.mate-look.org/find?search=TraditionalOk
> 
> After going through about 40 screens, and not finding it, by doing a 
> search, using the "site=" to search that site, I found it, not as a mate 
> theme, but as a gnome (from gnome2, I assume, which mate is supposed to 
> emulate) theme;
> https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1407000
> the variant that I use, is TraditionalOkBrave (the blue and grey one).
> 
> I think, in resembling the MS Windows 95 interface, it also resembles 
> the fvwm interface, but, it is decades since I used the fvwm interface.

That's great! It looks like every user of this computer will have to
install the theme individually but this is a solution! I've chosen
the TraditionalOk-Dust theme, it reminds me of the previous version of
the MATE desktop.

> I hope that this helps.

It does! Thank you very much, Bret!

-- 
Victor Sudakov VAS4-RIPE
http://vas.tomsk.ru/
2:5005/49@fidonet


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Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Bret Busby]

On 22/8/22 18:02, Victor Sudakov wrote:

Bret Busby wrote:

On 22/8/22 16:03, Victor Sudakov wrote:


The titlebar colors of active and inactive windows are the same which
is very inconvenient. In the previous version of Ubuntu/Mate, the
color of the active window's titlebar was distinct.


Hello Bret!



1. The Ubuntu users mailing list is at
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
which may be more useful for you.


Thank you, I'll go there if I don't find any help here.


2. In what applications are you noticing this, and,



Any applications using standard decorations (Firefox, MATE Terminal,
Google Chrome etc).


what interface are you using?


Sorry, I did not get the question.



I suppose that, by context, rather than the word "interface", i should 
have used the word "theme".




I have been using UbuntuMATE for a decade or so, and, I am running
22.04.1 on this computer (I rub 16.0.4.7 on another), and, I do not see
the problem that you are observing.

In the Control Center, go to Look and Feel -> Appearance.

I use the Theme named "TraditionalOk", with the panel at the bottom of
the screen, and it is the most like MS Windows 95, and, gives my the
interface that I prefer.


I don't have any "TraditionalOk" theme there, just countless variants of the
Yaru-* themes. How did you add the "TraditionalOk" theme? Is it in
some package?




I have been using this them,e for so many years, that I have forgotten 
whether it came as a default theme that was available, or, whether I 
added it.


However, In the Appearance window, in the Themes tab, where I have the 
theme displayed, at the bottom left corner, is "Get more themes online". 
Clicking that, opens a web page, in the default web browser, at

https://mate-desktop.org/themes/
and selecting
"GTK 2.x themes"
...
Unfortunately, that is not searchable, a search cannot be performed, for 
a theme name.


After going through about 40 screens, and not finding it, by doing a 
search, using the "site=" to search that site, I found it, not as a mate 
theme, but as a gnome (from gnome2, I assume, which mate is supposed to 
emulate) theme;

https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1407000
the variant that I use, is TraditionalOkBrave (the blue and grey one).

I think, in resembling the MS Windows 95 interface, it also resembles 
the fvwm interface, but, it is decades since I used the fvwm interface.


I hope that this helps.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Victor Sudakov]

Bret Busby wrote:
> On 22/8/22 16:03, Victor Sudakov wrote:
> > 
> > The titlebar colors of active and inactive windows are the same which
> > is very inconvenient. In the previous version of Ubuntu/Mate, the
> > color of the active window's titlebar was distinct.

Hello Bret!

> 
> 1. The Ubuntu users mailing list is at
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> which may be more useful for you.

Thank you, I'll go there if I don't find any help here.
> 
> 2. In what applications are you noticing this, and, 


Any applications using standard decorations (Firefox, MATE Terminal,
Google Chrome etc).

> what interface are you using?

Sorry, I did not get the question.

> 
> I have been using UbuntuMATE for a decade or so, and, I am running 
> 22.04.1 on this computer (I rub 16.0.4.7 on another), and, I do not see 
> the problem that you are observing.
> 
> In the Control Center, go to Look and Feel -> Appearance.
> 
> I use the Theme named "TraditionalOk", with the panel at the bottom of 
> the screen, and it is the most like MS Windows 95, and, gives my the 
> interface that I prefer.

I don't have any "TraditionalOk" theme there, just countless variants of the
Yaru-* themes. How did you add the "TraditionalOk" theme? Is it in
some package?


-- 
Victor Sudakov VAS4-RIPE
http://vas.tomsk.ru/
2:5005/49@fidonet


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Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Bret Busby]

On 22/8/22 16:43, Bret Busby wrote:

On 22/8/22 16:34, Bret Busby wrote:

On 22/8/22 16:03, Victor Sudakov wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

Sorry for asking a Ubuntu-specific question. Please redirect me to a
better mailing list if you feel it right.

I was using ubuntu-mate 20.04.4 with MATE 1.24.0. Now I have switched
to 22.04.1 with MATE 1.26.0 and come across an unfortunate thing:

The titlebar colors of active and inactive windows are the same which
is very inconvenient. In the previous version of Ubuntu/Mate, the
color of the active window's titlebar was distinct.

I've been trying to find this setting in the Control Center but in
vain. Googling for something like "mate 1.26.0 active window titlebar
color" fetches some dated results about Ubuntu 18.04 and manually
editing GTK resource files.

Can you help me out? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious.

I don't need anything fancy, simple Motif-style decorations are fine
for me, or something like the look of the previous Mate version.




Hello.

1. The Ubuntu users mailing list is at
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
which may be more useful for you.

2. In what applications are you noticing this, and, what interface are 
you using?


I have been using UbuntuMATE for a decade or so, and, I am running 
2.04.1 on this computer (I rub 16.0.4.7 on another), and, I do not see 
the problem that you are observing.


In the Control Center, go to Look and Feel -> Appearance.

I use the Theme named "TraditionalOk", with the panel at the bottom of 
the screen, and it is the most like MS Windows 95, and, gives my the 
interface that I prefer.


In the applications that I run, the title bar of the active window, is 
dark(ish) blue, and, for the inactive windows, it is grey.


Try this theme, and advise whether it eliminates the problem.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..




Arrgh!

"
I am running 2.04.1 on this computer (I rub 16.0.4.7 on another),"
"

->

"I am running 22.04.1 on this computer (I run 16.04.7 on another)."

Both typo's passed the spellchecker okay, but, the nut behind the wheel, 
failed to detect and correct the errors before sending the message above.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..




Ho hum.

Third time lucky (hopefully)...

"gives my the interface that I prefer. "

->

"gives me the interface that I prefer. "

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Bret Busby]

On 22/8/22 16:34, Bret Busby wrote:

On 22/8/22 16:03, Victor Sudakov wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

Sorry for asking a Ubuntu-specific question. Please redirect me to a
better mailing list if you feel it right.

I was using ubuntu-mate 20.04.4 with MATE 1.24.0. Now I have switched
to 22.04.1 with MATE 1.26.0 and come across an unfortunate thing:

The titlebar colors of active and inactive windows are the same which
is very inconvenient. In the previous version of Ubuntu/Mate, the
color of the active window's titlebar was distinct.

I've been trying to find this setting in the Control Center but in
vain. Googling for something like "mate 1.26.0 active window titlebar
color" fetches some dated results about Ubuntu 18.04 and manually
editing GTK resource files.

Can you help me out? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious.

I don't need anything fancy, simple Motif-style decorations are fine
for me, or something like the look of the previous Mate version.




Hello.

1. The Ubuntu users mailing list is at
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
which may be more useful for you.

2. In what applications are you noticing this, and, what interface are 
you using?


I have been using UbuntuMATE for a decade or so, and, I am running 
2.04.1 on this computer (I rub 16.0.4.7 on another), and, I do not see 
the problem that you are observing.


In the Control Center, go to Look and Feel -> Appearance.

I use the Theme named "TraditionalOk", with the panel at the bottom of 
the screen, and it is the most like MS Windows 95, and, gives my the 
interface that I prefer.


In the applications that I run, the title bar of the active window, is 
dark(ish) blue, and, for the inactive windows, it is grey.


Try this theme, and advise whether it eliminates the problem.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..




Arrgh!

"
I am running 2.04.1 on this computer (I rub 16.0.4.7 on another),"
"

->

"I am running 22.04.1 on this computer (I run 16.04.7 on another)."

Both typo's passed the spellchecker okay, but, the nut behind the wheel, 
failed to detect and correct the errors before sending the message above.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Bret Busby]

On 22/8/22 16:03, Victor Sudakov wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

Sorry for asking a Ubuntu-specific question. Please redirect me to a
better mailing list if you feel it right.

I was using ubuntu-mate 20.04.4 with MATE 1.24.0. Now I have switched
to 22.04.1 with MATE 1.26.0 and come across an unfortunate thing:

The titlebar colors of active and inactive windows are the same which
is very inconvenient. In the previous version of Ubuntu/Mate, the
color of the active window's titlebar was distinct.

I've been trying to find this setting in the Control Center but in
vain. Googling for something like "mate 1.26.0 active window titlebar
color" fetches some dated results about Ubuntu 18.04 and manually
editing GTK resource files.

Can you help me out? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious.

I don't need anything fancy, simple Motif-style decorations are fine
for me, or something like the look of the previous Mate version.




Hello.

1. The Ubuntu users mailing list is at
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
which may be more useful for you.

2. In what applications are you noticing this, and, what interface are 
you using?


I have been using UbuntuMATE for a decade or so, and, I am running 
2.04.1 on this computer (I rub 16.0.4.7 on another), and, I do not see 
the problem that you are observing.


In the Control Center, go to Look and Feel -> Appearance.

I use the Theme named "TraditionalOk", with the panel at the bottom of 
the screen, and it is the most like MS Windows 95, and, gives my the 
interface that I prefer.


In the applications that I run, the title bar of the active window, is 
dark(ish) blue, and, for the inactive windows, it is grey.


Try this theme, and advise whether it eliminates the problem.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?

[Victor Sudakov]

Dear Colleagues,

Sorry for asking a Ubuntu-specific question. Please redirect me to a
better mailing list if you feel it right.

I was using ubuntu-mate 20.04.4 with MATE 1.24.0. Now I have switched
to 22.04.1 with MATE 1.26.0 and come across an unfortunate thing: 

The titlebar colors of active and inactive windows are the same which
is very inconvenient. In the previous version of Ubuntu/Mate, the
color of the active window's titlebar was distinct.

I've been trying to find this setting in the Control Center but in
vain. Googling for something like "mate 1.26.0 active window titlebar
color" fetches some dated results about Ubuntu 18.04 and manually
editing GTK resource files.

Can you help me out? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious. 

I don't need anything fancy, simple Motif-style decorations are fine
for me, or something like the look of the previous Mate version.

-- 
Victor Sudakov VAS4-RIPE
http://vas.tomsk.ru/
2:5005/49@fidonet


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