Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class
On 15/04/2023 12:02, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:02:03PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 09:44:03AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: As to [^c] vs. [!c], unfortunately the latter can not be always used as portable variant. It is treated as history expansion in the case of interactive bash session. Ugh. That abomination. I've had history expansion disabled for *years*. You have to escape it with a backslash. Quoting with single quotes also helps, although I don't know whether that is portable itself. The problem is to prevent history expansion while keeping pattern matching (glob) active. du -ks -- .[!.]* | sort -n | tail Yes, somewhat annoying, unless one's making use of it. From search engine results my impression is that there enough users of history expansion in bash and zsh. Certainly they would be angry due to a breaking changes if history expansion were disabled by default. That is why, when recommending [!c] instead of [^c], it is necessary to say "besides interactive shells such as bash and zsh". It should not be assumed that everybody has history expansion disabled.
Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update
On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 at 04:24, Tim Woodall wrote: > On Fri, 14 Apr 2023, Brian wrote: > >>> I thought stretch is unsupported by Debian. Where did the update come > >>> from? > It's been moved to archive.debian.org. Just hasn't been deleted from the > main repo yet but I think that's imminent. The timeline was announced here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2023/03/msg6.html
Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:02:03PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 09:44:03AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > As to [^c] vs. [!c], unfortunately the latter can not be always used as > > portable variant. It is treated as history expansion in the case of > > interactive bash session. > > Ugh. That abomination. I've had history expansion disabled for *years*. You have to escape it with a backslash. Quoting with single quotes also helps, although I don't know whether that is portable itself. Yes, somewhat annoying, unless one's making use of it. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023, Charles Curley wrote: On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 19:41:37 +0100 Brian wrote: I thought stretch is unsupported by Debian. Where did the update come from? Stretch is oldoldstable, and under LTS support. https://www.debian.org/releases/ That page is out of date. On the LTS page itself: Debian 9 "Stretch" i386, amd64, armel, armhf and arm64 July 6, 2020 to June 30, 2022
Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023, Brian wrote: I thought stretch is unsupported by Debian. Where did the update come from? It may or may not be supported, but it's still there AFAICT: [DIR] binary-amd64/ 2021-08-14 07:43 [ ] Packages.gz 2020-07-18 10:409.2M [ ] base-files_9.9+deb9u13_amd64.deb2020-07-12 20:5666K It was just a thought. The OP will provide apt logs to pinpoint the packages installed. It's been moved to archive.debian.org. Just hasn't been deleted from the main repo yet but I think that's imminent. Jessie went a month or so ago.
Re: Commands service and systemctl.
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org In-reply-to: References: Subject: Re: Commands service and systemctl. From: David Wright Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 11:12:18 -0500 man 8 service "SERVICE(8) ... ... service runs a System V init script or systemd unit ..." Initial release of System V was in 1983. Initial release of systemd was in 2010. Probably service predates systemd. service passes COMMAND and OPTIONS to the init script unmodified. For systemd units, start, stop, status, and reload are passed through to their systemctl/initctl equivalents. For start, stop & etc. systemctl is more direct than service. Might be some functionality from service not available from systemctl. Have to dig deeper for that. No mention that service will be outmoded by systemctl but appears so. ... rather than a wiki webpage. The table in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iproute2 is comprehensive and direct. Note heading "Utilities obsoleted ...". ... wiki ... Any J. Doe can correct an error in a wiki. In many (most?) man pages deficiencies and errors endure. ... p.
Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class
On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 09:44:03AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > As to [^c] vs. [!c], unfortunately the latter can not be always used as > portable variant. It is treated as history expansion in the case of > interactive bash session. Ugh. That abomination. I've had history expansion disabled for *years*.
Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class
On 14/04/2023 09:36, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 09:08:08AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: https://www.shellcheck.net/wiki/SC3026 Help by adding links to BashFAQ, StackOverflow, man pages, POSIX, etc Well, it's not clear how to actually add such a link. I guess you're supposed to do it through github or something? Thank you, Greg. I edited https://github.com/koalaman/shellcheck/wiki/SC3026 (the link below the page header) and the shellcheck.net page was updated in several hours. Sorry, web interface assumes brief commit message, so I did not added credits to you there. I think, shellcheck is not known well enough while it may help to avoid a lot of troubles with shell scripts. It can provide some hints when unexpected behavior is observed and prevent it if used regularly. As to [^c] vs. [!c], unfortunately the latter can not be always used as portable variant. It is treated as history expansion in the case of interactive bash session. From my point of view it is an argument to support [^c]. The enhancement request was rejected however, see Stephane Chazelas. Re: [v2 PATCH] expand: Always quote caret when using fnmatch. Sun, 20 Feb 2022 07:15:44 + https://lore.kernel.org/dash/20220220071544.7odyx5urgcwjs...@chazelas.org/ and https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1558 0001558: require [^...] in addition to [!...] for bracket expression negation
Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
On Sat, 2023-04-15 at 07:17 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 15/4/23 07:11, Brian wrote: > > On Sat 15 Apr 2023 at 07:00:18 +0800, Jeremy Ardley wrote: > > > > > > > > On 15/4/23 06:52, Brian wrote: > > > > The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its > > > > correct name > > > > as well > > > > > > > > > I asked ChatGPT3.5 about that text string. At least ChatGPT could > > > figure it > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Question > > > > > > Linux printer driver and printer command protocol for epson ET M > > > 1120 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ChatGPT response > > > > > > The Epson ET-M1120 printer supports the Epson ESC/P-R printer > > > language, > > > which is a command protocol used by Epson printers. > > > > It is the OP who needs help, not me. She couls at least provide > > correct and full date. > > > Why not just everyone attack each other? > > This looks like an uncontrolled pillow fight. Agreed! Specifically geared to somebody not coming back, or just going back to using Windows. Tone and manner are more than disorienting to a new user, and far from helpful. Cheers!
Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
On 15/4/23 07:11, Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Apr 2023 at 07:00:18 +0800, Jeremy Ardley wrote: On 15/4/23 06:52, Brian wrote: The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its correct name as well I asked ChatGPT3.5 about that text string. At least ChatGPT could figure it out My Question Linux printer driver and printer command protocol for epson ET M 1120 ? ChatGPT response The Epson ET-M1120 printer supports the Epson ESC/P-R printer language, which is a command protocol used by Epson printers. It is the OP who needs help, not me. She couls at least provide correct and full date. Why not just everyone attack each other? This looks like an uncontrolled pillow fight. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
On 2023-04-14 at 19:17, Brian wrote: > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 19:06:08 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2023-04-14 at 18:52, Brian wrote: >>> The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its >>> correct name as well as any other relevant information? >> >> When I searched for >> >> Epson ET M 1120 >> >> I got a suggestion that I may have meant "M1120" instead of the >> last two search terms, and hits for the "Epson EcoTank ET M1120" >> and/or "Epson EcoTank M1120", which look to be different names for >> the same model and to be a fairly clear match. >> >> While, yes, specifying the exact name clearly would be preferable, >> this is far from unreasonably difficult to figure out. > > I decided to take your signature as a template for my original > response :). I can respect that! >>> I haven't a clue what you are going on about here. Shift-L in >>> mutt was used at this end. >> >> Your replies to the OP have been fine, AFAIK. The OP's message was >> itself a reply, as can be seen by looking at its headers >> (In-Reply-To: and References:), but was otherwise presented as if >> it had been the start of a new thread; that is not fine, because it >> hides the "new thread" inside of the existing one, at least for >> anyone using a threaded view of the list of messages. > > That's an issue for the OP, not me. Certainly. I was meaning that bullet-point item as an addendum to the list you provided (which I understand to have been aimed at the OP), not as something directed at you. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
On Fri, 2023-04-14 at 23:52 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:22:09 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > > On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote: > > > > > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 14:40:33 +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > > > > > > > Good afternoon. > > > > The new printer is not working. > > > > EPSON is saying > > > > You cant use EPSON with Linux. > > > > > > > > Is this true? > > > > > > You could consider: > > > > > > * Stating the Debain OS being used. > > > * Giving the printer make and model. > > > > The make *was* stated: Epson. > > > > The model may also have been stated, albeig only in the Subject > > line: ET > > M1120. From a bit of Googling, the "ET" appears to stand for > > "EcoTank". > > The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Yes, it does. It doesn't take a quantum leap in realisation to identify it as ET- M1120. > Do we have to guess its correct name as well > as any other relevant information? > > > > * Specifying the connection method. USB. Network. > > > * Giving the exact error message and where it came from. > > > > Also: > > > > * Starting a new thread to discuss the matter, rather than replying > > to > > an existing message deep in an existing thread, deleting the body, > > and > > changing the Subject line before sending. > > > > (This question, and its replies, are appearing as responses to a > > mail > > from Michael Stone in the 'update-initramfs' thread.) > > I haven't a clue what you are going on about here. Shift-L in mutt > was used at > this end. >
Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 19:06:08 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2023-04-14 at 18:52, Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:22:09 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > > >> On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote: > > >> > You could consider: > >> > > >> > * Stating the Debain OS being used. > >> > * Giving the printer make and model. > >> > >> The make *was* stated: Epson. > >> > >> The model may also have been stated, albeig only in the Subject line: ET > >> M1120. From a bit of Googling, the "ET" appears to stand for "EcoTank". > > > > The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its correct name as > > well > > as any other relevant information? > > When I searched for > > Epson ET M 1120 > > I got a suggestion that I may have meant "M1120" instead of the last two > search terms, and hits for the "Epson EcoTank ET M1120" and/or "Epson > EcoTank M1120", which look to be different names for the same model and > to be a fairly clear match. > > While, yes, specifying the exact name clearly would be preferable, this > is far from unreasonably difficult to figure out. I decided to take your signature as a template for my original response :). > >> > * Specifying the connection method. USB. Network. > >> > * Giving the exact error message and where it came from. > >> > >> Also: > >> > >> * Starting a new thread to discuss the matter, rather than replying > >> to an existing message deep in an existing thread, deleting the > >> body, and changing the Subject line before sending. > >> > >> (This question, and its replies, are appearing as responses to a > >> mail from Michael Stone in the 'update-initramfs' thread.) > > > > I haven't a clue what you are going on about here. Shift-L in mutt > > was used at this end. > > Your replies to the OP have been fine, AFAIK. The OP's message was > itself a reply, as can be seen by looking at its headers (In-Reply-To: > and References:), but was otherwise presented as if it had been the > start of a new thread; that is not fine, because it hides the "new > thread" inside of the existing one, at least for anyone using a threaded > view of the list of messages. That's an issue for the OP, not me. -- Brian.
Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
On 2023-04-14 at 18:52, Brian wrote: > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:22:09 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote: >> > You could consider: >> > >> > * Stating the Debain OS being used. >> > * Giving the printer make and model. >> >> The make *was* stated: Epson. >> >> The model may also have been stated, albeig only in the Subject line: ET >> M1120. From a bit of Googling, the "ET" appears to stand for "EcoTank". > > The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its correct name as > well > as any other relevant information? When I searched for Epson ET M 1120 I got a suggestion that I may have meant "M1120" instead of the last two search terms, and hits for the "Epson EcoTank ET M1120" and/or "Epson EcoTank M1120", which look to be different names for the same model and to be a fairly clear match. While, yes, specifying the exact name clearly would be preferable, this is far from unreasonably difficult to figure out. >> > * Specifying the connection method. USB. Network. >> > * Giving the exact error message and where it came from. >> >> Also: >> >> * Starting a new thread to discuss the matter, rather than replying >> to an existing message deep in an existing thread, deleting the >> body, and changing the Subject line before sending. >> >> (This question, and its replies, are appearing as responses to a >> mail from Michael Stone in the 'update-initramfs' thread.) > > I haven't a clue what you are going on about here. Shift-L in mutt > was used at this end. Your replies to the OP have been fine, AFAIK. The OP's message was itself a reply, as can be seen by looking at its headers (In-Reply-To: and References:), but was otherwise presented as if it had been the start of a new thread; that is not fine, because it hides the "new thread" inside of the existing one, at least for anyone using a threaded view of the list of messages. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
On 15/4/23 06:52, Brian wrote: The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its correct name as well I asked ChatGPT3.5 about that text string. At least ChatGPT could figure it out >> My Question Linux printer driver and printer command protocol for epson ET M 1120 ? >> ChatGPT response The Epson ET-M1120 printer supports the Epson ESC/P-R printer language, which is a command protocol used by Epson printers. To install the printer driver for Linux, you can follow these steps: Connect the printer to your computer and make sure it is turned on. Open your Linux terminal and run the following command to update your system package list: sudo apt-get update Install the printer driver by running the following command: sudo apt-get install printer-driver-escpr Follow the on-screen instructions to complete the installation. Once the driver is installed, you can use the printer with any application that supports printing. -- Jeremy (Lists)
Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 06:36:53 +0800 Jeremy Ardley wrote: > On 15/4/23 06:22, The Wanderer wrote: > [...] > If you look hard enough you find epson does support it. > > https://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule > > and search for M1120 > > you find > > ET-M1120 Series > M1120 Series > Printer Driver Linux > 1.7.26 ESC/P-R Driver (generic driver) All > language 04-10-2023 > > > and that links to the standard esc/p-r driver > And that driver is even available in Debian. apt show printer-driver-escpr -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:22:09 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 14:40:33 +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > > > >> Good afternoon. > >> The new printer is not working. > >> EPSON is saying > >> You cant use EPSON with Linux. > >> > >> Is this true? > > > > You could consider: > > > > * Stating the Debain OS being used. > > * Giving the printer make and model. > > The make *was* stated: Epson. > > The model may also have been stated, albeig only in the Subject line: ET > M1120. From a bit of Googling, the "ET" appears to stand for "EcoTank". The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its correct name as well as any other relevant information? > > * Specifying the connection method. USB. Network. > > * Giving the exact error message and where it came from. > > Also: > > * Starting a new thread to discuss the matter, rather than replying to > an existing message deep in an existing thread, deleting the body, and > changing the Subject line before sending. > > (This question, and its replies, are appearing as responses to a mail > from Michael Stone in the 'update-initramfs' thread.) I haven't a clue what you are going on about here. Shift-L in mutt was used at this end. -- Brian.
Re: update-initramfs
On Thu 13 Apr 2023 at 14:39:18 (-0600), Charles Curley wrote: > On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:57:04 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/04/msg00405.html > > > > I was left with a system whose Grub menu only contained entries for > > the new system, because os-prober no longer scours all the other > > partitions for OSes any more.¹ To get back to booting bullseye by > > default, the easiest way was to boot bullseye the once, and then run > > install-grub /dev/sda. Don't let me leave you with the impression that this was unexpected, or of concern to me. And the way I dealt with it was offered here to illustrate why the OP does not +need+ their kernel/initramfs backups to be mixed up with the originals in /boot/grub, or for Grub's menu to include them as a separate menuentry. Also bear in mind that the post cited, on bookworm RC1 installation, was to replicate the one made by the OP of that thread (right down to using a BIOS/GPT system), and elicit a response with more information (not forthcoming) on their "bug". > I believe the preferred way to get back to including other OSs in > grub's menu is to enable the OS prober by adding the following (if > necessary) to /etc/default/grub, un-commenting the last line, and > running update-grub. Yes, and in my footnote, I showed that you can, if you want, get the other OSes back /before/ the first reboot, remembering that that file is mounted on /target while the OS is being built by the debian-installer. > # Uncomment this to run os-prober to search for and add other OS > # installations to the grub boot menu > #GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false All present and correct in RC1. Cheers, David.
Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
On 15/4/23 06:22, The Wanderer wrote: The make *was* stated: Epson. The model may also have been stated, albeig only in the Subject line: ET M1120. From a bit of Googling, the "ET" appears to stand for "EcoTank". If you look hard enough you find epson does support it. https://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule and search for M1120 you find ET-M1120 Series M1120 Series Printer Driver Linux 1.7.26 ESC/P-R Driver (generic driver) All language 04-10-2023 and that links to the standard esc/p-r driver -- Jeremy (Lists)
Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
>> The new printer is not working. >> EPSON is saying >> You cant use EPSON with Linux. >> >> Is this true? > > You could consider: > > * Stating the Debain OS being used. > * Giving the printer make and model. "Subject:" says "EPSON ET M 1120" AFAICT it's a monochrome printer from 2019 with some kind of ink tank. Given the timescale, it probably supports driverless printing. Stefan
Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class
On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 12:01:39 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, April 13, 2023 10:36:08 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Anyway, here's the POSIX documentation section: > > > > https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html#t > > ag_18_13 > > > > And the relevant piece of text: > > > > [ If an open bracket introduces a bracket expression as in XBD RE > > Bracket Expression, except that the character > > ( '!' ) shall replace the character ( '^' ) in its > > role in a non-matching list in the regular expression notation, it > > shall introduce a pattern bracket expression. A bracket expression > > starting with an unquoted character produces unspecified > > results. Otherwise, '[' shall match the character itself. > > Wow -- I thought this was an English language list :-( > > But seriously, that seems very hard to interpret / understand. The quick answer: it's a Standards document, so it's a penalty you pay for precision. Look at the opening of that section: "2.13.1 Patterns Matching a Single Character "The following patterns matching a single character shall match a single character:" BTW, the authors of these documents might be the sort of people referred to by the early RFC authors in RFC 1000: "We weren't sure whether there was really room to think hard about these problems; surely someone from the east would be along by and by to bring the word. … "We had no official charter. Most of us were graduate students and we expected that a professional crew would show up eventually to take over the problems we were dealing with. … "I remember having great fear that we would offend whomever the official protocol designers were, and I spent a sleepless night composing humble words for our notes. The basic ground rules were that anyone could say anything and that nothing was official." Cheers, David.
Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote: > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 14:40:33 +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > >> Good afternoon. >> The new printer is not working. >> EPSON is saying >> You cant use EPSON with Linux. >> >> Is this true? > > You could consider: > > * Stating the Debain OS being used. > * Giving the printer make and model. The make *was* stated: Epson. The model may also have been stated, albeig only in the Subject line: ET M1120. From a bit of Googling, the "ET" appears to stand for "EcoTank". > * Specifying the connection method. USB. Network. > * Giving the exact error message and where it came from. Also: * Starting a new thread to discuss the matter, rather than replying to an existing message deep in an existing thread, deleting the body, and changing the Subject line before sending. (This question, and its replies, are appearing as responses to a mail from Michael Stone in the 'update-initramfs' thread.) -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
On Fri, 2023-04-14 at 14:40 +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > Good afternoon. > The new printer is not working. > EPSON is saying > You cant use EPSON with Linux. It depends on which printer you are using? It sounds like the person you are talking to at Epson doesn't know what he/she's talking about. Epson supply many Linux drivers for their printers on their site. I have a WF-C5290 which works just fine that way. Cheers!
EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver
Good afternoon. The new printer is not working. EPSON is saying You cant use EPSON with Linux. Is this true? Regards Sophie
Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 19:41:37 +0100 Brian wrote: > I thought stretch is unsupported by Debian. Where did the update come > from? Stretch is oldoldstable, and under LTS support. https://www.debian.org/releases/ I would encourage the original poster to consider installing bullseye rather than pursue repairing his current installation. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 davidson wrote: On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 Brian wrote: On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:48:06 +0200, Bernard wrote: Hi to Everyone, I am writing from my laptop on Ubuntu, but the problem I have is with my Desktop running Debian Stretch. Having unfortunately Okayed a proposal for an update (which I rarely do…), upon restarting the system fails to launch X server. I thought stretch is unsupported by Debian. Where did the update come from? I speculate that the OP's sources.list identifies the desired distribution by a temporally relative suite name --say, "stable" or "oldstable" A one-word oxymoron: "stable" These context-dependent suite "names" ought to be called pronouns or something. The so-called "codenames" are the actual names proper. -- instead of the temporally absolute release codename "stretch". -- Sometimes it pays to have squirrels in your head running around making you question everything. -- Clive Robinson
Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update
On 2023-04-14 at 15:53, davidson wrote: > On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 Brian wrote: > >> On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:48:06 +0200, Bernard wrote: >> >>> Hi to Everyone, >>> >>> I am writing from my laptop on Ubuntu, but the problem I have is >>> with my Desktop running Debian Stretch. Having unfortunately >>> Okayed a proposal for an update (which I rarely do…), upon >>> restarting the system fails to launch X server. >> >> I thought stretch is unsupported by Debian. Where did the update >> come from? > > I speculate that the OP's sources.list identifies the desired > distribution by a temporally relative suite name --say, "stable" or > "oldstable"-- instead of the temporally absolute release codename > "stretch". Alternately, perhaps the OP "okay[s] a proposal for an update" *so* rarely that there was actually still one pending from when stretch was still getting support. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 Brian wrote: On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:48:06 +0200, Bernard wrote: Hi to Everyone, I am writing from my laptop on Ubuntu, but the problem I have is with my Desktop running Debian Stretch. Having unfortunately Okayed a proposal for an update (which I rarely do…), upon restarting the system fails to launch X server. I thought stretch is unsupported by Debian. Where did the update come from? I speculate that the OP's sources.list identifies the desired distribution by a temporally relative suite name --say, "stable" or "oldstable"-- instead of the temporally absolute release codename "stretch". -- Hackers are free people. They are like artists. If they are in a good mood, they get up in the morning and begin painting their pictures. -- Vladimir Putin
Re: Commands service and systemctl.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:12:18AM -0500, David Wright wrote: [...] How about consulting man 8 service rather than a wiki webpage. Reading man pages is cheating ;-) [Humor detected.] If that were so, then consulting the corresponding Wikipedia article, *instead of* the manual, would be like trusting a collection of completely unaccountable strangers to cheat on your behalf. Probably a fine strategy for someone who really likes surprises. -- Hackers are free people. They are like artists. If they are in a good mood, they get up in the morning and begin painting their pictures. -- Vladimir Putin
Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update
On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 19:41:37 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:48:06 +0200, Bernard wrote: > > I am writing from my laptop on Ubuntu, but the problem I have is with my > > Desktop running Debian Stretch. > > Having unfortunately Okayed a proposal for an update (which I rarely do…), > > upon restarting the system fails to launch X server. > > I thought stretch is unsupported by Debian. Where did the update come from? It may or may not be supported, but it's still there AFAICT: [DIR] binary-amd64/ 2021-08-14 07:43 [ ] Packages.gz 2020-07-18 10:409.2M [ ] base-files_9.9+deb9u13_amd64.deb2020-07-12 20:5666K My own course of action would probably be to carefully read the buster Release Notes and upgrade "by the book". Then repeat with bullseye. All without starting X, which I would leave until bullseye is running. Cheers, David.
Re: Commands service and systemctl.
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 07:46:04PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:25:43 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:12:18AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > How about consulting man 8 service rather than a wiki webpage. > > > > Reading man pages is cheating ;-) > > Reading man pages is relatively rare on most OSs. Debian isn't any exception. This sentence makes almost no sense. Reading by whom? What does "reading on an OS" mean? (I mean: I usually read them "on" my computer screen). There are people who read man pages, there are people who don't. Around here, we positively try to encourage people to do; free software, after all, has something to do with empowerment and all that. Cheers -- signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Commands service and systemctl.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 David Wright wrote: On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 08:05:38 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd has many occurrences of "service", none referring to the service command. For several somethings, the result of command, service something COMMAND approximates the result of systemctl COMMAND something.service although systemctl might be more powerful. Does the relationship between service and systemctl parallel that between ifconfig and ip? service is a legacy command? How about consulting man 8 service rather than a wiki webpage. More elaborately: Before searching the web (for topics of this sort), consider checking your local system's documentation. Local resources are often more relevant. And if you have interest in a topic, then it is good to discover what resources exist on the system you actually use: List manual pages whose title is the term: $ man -f locale # equivalently, "whatis locale" locale (7) - description of multilanguage support locale (1) - get locale-specific information locale (5) - describes a locale definition file locale (3perl) - Perl pragma to use or avoid POSIX locales for built-in operations List manual pages that employ the term: $ man -k locale # equivalently, "apropos locale" duplocale (3)- duplicate a locale object Encode::Locale (3pm) - Determine the locale encoding ExtUtils::MakeMaker::Locale (3perl) - bundled Encode::Locale freelocale (3) - create, modify, and free a locale object I18N::Collate (3perl) - compare 8-bit scalar data according to the current locale I18N::Langinfo (3perl) - query locale information legacy_coding (3ncurses) - override locale-encoding checks locale (1) - get locale-specific information locale (3perl) - Perl pragma to use or avoid POSIX locales for built-in operations locale (5) - describes a locale definition file locale (7) - description of multilanguage support locale-gen (8) - generates localisation files from templates locale.conf (5) - Configuration file for locale settings locale.gen (5) - Configuration file for locale-gen Locale::gettext (3pm) - message handling functions Locale::Maketext (3perl) - framework for localization Locale::Maketext::Cookbook (3perl) - recipes for using Locale::Maketext Locale::Maketext::Guts (3perl) - Deprecated module to load Locale::Maketext utf8 code Locale::Maketext::GutsLoader (3perl) - Deprecated module to load Locale::Maketext utf8 code Locale::Maketext::Simple (3perl) - Simple interface to Locale::Maketext::Lexicon Locale::Maketext::TPJ13 (3perl) - - article about software localization localeconv (3) - get numeric formatting information localectl (1)- Control the system locale and keyboard layout settings localedef (1)- compile locale definition files luit (1) - Locale and ISO 2022 support for Unicode terminals lxterm (1) - locale-sensitive wrapper for xterm MB_CUR_MAX (3) - maximum length of a multibyte character in the current locale MB_LEN_MAX (3) - maximum multibyte length of a character across all locales newlocale (3)- create, modify, and free a locale object nl_langinfo (3) - query language and locale information nl_langinfo_l (3)- query language and locale information org.freedesktop.locale1 (5) - The D-Bus interface of systemd-localed perllocale (1) - Perl locale handling (internationalization and localization) setlocale (3)- set the current locale strcoll (3) - compare two strings using the current locale systemd-localed (8) - Locale bus mechanism systemd-localed.service (8) - Locale bus mechanism Unicode::Collate::Locale (3perl) - Linguistic tailoring for DUCET via Unicode::Collate update-locale (8)- Modify global locale settings use_legacy_coding (3ncurses) - override locale-encoding checks uselocale (3)- set/get the locale for the calling thread validlocale (8) - Test if a given locale is available x-terminal-emulator (1) - locale-sensitive wrapper for xterm XLocaleOfFontSet (3) - obtain fontset information XLocaleOfIM (3) - open, close, and obtain input method information XLocaleOfOM (3) - open output methods XrmLocaleOfDatabase (3) - retrieve and store resource databases XSetLocaleModifiers (3) - determine locale support and configure locale modifiers XSupportsLocale (3) - determine locale support and configure locale modifiers -- Hackers are free people. They are like artists. If they are in a good mood, they get up in the morning and begin painting their pictures. -- Vladimir Putin
Re: What do all those "* * *" mean on a traceroute log?
On 4/13/23, Lee wrote: > you should probably start off with > https://archive.nanog.org/sites/default/files/10_Roisman_Traceroute.pdf > A Practical Guide to (Correctly) > Troubleshooting with Traceroute thank you, lbrtchx
Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update
Bernard wrote: ... > How can I get back to my old system prior to this failed update ? What > else can I do ? > > Thanks in advance for your help in restoring my system take a look at the files in /var/log/apt history should tell you what was updated last and you could try to install a previous version of what changed to see which caused the problem. depending upon how you run your updates you may not have any previous versions of debs available in /var/cache/apt/archives to try but you can get them via snapshot.debian.org. songbird
Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 12:01:39PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, April 13, 2023 10:36:08 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > [ If an open bracket introduces a bracket expression as in XBD RE > > Bracket Expression, except that the character > > ( '!' ) shall replace the character ( '^' ) in its > > role in a non-matching list in the regular expression notation, it > > shall introduce a pattern bracket expression. A bracket expression > > starting with an unquoted character produces unspecified > > results. Otherwise, '[' shall match the character itself. > > Wow -- I thought this was an English language list :-( > > But seriously, that seems very hard to interpret / understand. If it helps, you can ignore most of it. The pieces that we care about are: 1) the character ( '!' ) shall replace the character ( '^' ) 2) A bracket expression starting with an unquoted character produces unspecified results.
Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update
Hi to Everyone, I am writing from my laptop on Ubuntu, but the problem I have is with my Desktop running Debian Stretch. Having unfortunately Okayed a proposal for an update (which I rarely do…), upon restarting the system fails to launch X server. My /var/log/messages are available at http://bdebreil.free.fr/messages starting line 7712 : April 14 – 0858 – Failed to call gs_plugin_update on system-updates : waiting time max is over Debian Stretch gnome session binary (1256) …. failed (msg repeated 5 times) GLIB-Gobject-critical : gobject_unref_assertion 'G S OBJECT failed …. Debian-Stretch gnome shell[1345] ; /build/ … has no handler with id '235895' line 7725 PolicyKit daemon disconnected from the bus We are no longer a registered authentication agent……… …….. I've attempted to shutdown and restart several times, I tested the starting with 'Advanced Options' and then called 'startx', to no better result. How can I get back to my old system prior to this failed update ? What else can I do ? Thanks in advance for your help in restoring my system Bernard
Re: Commands service and systemctl.
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:12:18AM -0500, David Wright wrote: [...] > How about consulting man 8 service rather than a wiki webpage. Reading man pages is cheating ;-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Commands service and systemctl.
On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 08:05:38 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd has many occurrences of > "service", none referring to the service command. > > For several somethings, the result of command, > service something COMMAND > approximates the result of > systemctl COMMAND something.service > although systemctl might be more powerful. > > Does the relationship between service and systemctl parallel that > between ifconfig and ip? service is a legacy command? How about consulting man 8 service rather than a wiki webpage. Cheers, David.
Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class
On Thursday, April 13, 2023 10:36:08 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > Anyway, here's the POSIX documentation section: > > https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html#t > ag_18_13 > > And the relevant piece of text: > > [ If an open bracket introduces a bracket expression as in XBD RE > Bracket Expression, except that the character > ( '!' ) shall replace the character ( '^' ) in its > role in a non-matching list in the regular expression notation, it > shall introduce a pattern bracket expression. A bracket expression > starting with an unquoted character produces unspecified > results. Otherwise, '[' shall match the character itself. Wow -- I thought this was an English language list :-( But seriously, that seems very hard to interpret / understand. -- rhk | No entity has permission to use this email to train an AI. Sig truncated.
Commands service and systemctl.
Hi, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd has many occurrences of "service", none referring to the service command. For several somethings, the result of command, service something COMMAND approximates the result of systemctl COMMAND something.service although systemctl might be more powerful. Does the relationship between service and systemctl parallel that between ifconfig and ip? service is a legacy command? Thx, ... P.
