[SOLUCIONADO] Instalar ungoogled-chromium.appimage.

[casadellabrador]

Hola.
Finalmente pude instalar Ungoogled-chromium mediante los archivos deb que se 
encuentran en la página que me indicó JavierDebian:
https://ungoogled-software.github.io/ungoogled-chromium-binaries/releases/debian_unportable/amd64/100.0.4896.127-1

Desgraciadamente, el ordenador siguió bloqueándose al utilizar ese navegador 
igual que me pasaba con Brave, así que he optado por reinstalar Debian 
Cinnamon, ya con la versión 12.

Muchas gracias a todos por vuestra ayuda y atención.
Gerardo



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Re: approx in debian 12

[Reco]

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 07:25:23AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 09:56:07AM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > OK. And what happens if you execute this on a approx server:
> > 
> > curl -x http://localhost: -v 
> > http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release >/dev/null
> 
> root@mollydew:/etc/approx# curl -x http://localhost: -v 
> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release >/dev/null
>  % Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime Time  Current
> Dload  Upload   Total   SpentLeft  Speed
>  0 00 00 0  0  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 
> 0*   Trying 127.0.0.1:...
> * Connected to localhost (127.0.0.1) port  (#0)
> > GET http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release HTTP/1.1
> > Host: ftp.debian.org
> > User-Agent: curl/7.88.1
> > Accept: */*
> > Proxy-Connection: Keep-Alive
> > 
> < HTTP/1.1 200 OK

Looks good. What about this one:

apt update -o Acquire::http::Proxy=http://localhost:

Reco

Re: approx in debian 12

[Russell L. Harris]

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 09:56:07AM +0300, Reco wrote:

OK. And what happens if you execute this on a approx server:

curl -x http://localhost: -v http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release 
>/dev/null


root@mollydew:/etc/approx# curl -x http://localhost: -v 
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release >/dev/null
 % Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime Time  Current
Dload  Upload   Total   SpentLeft  Speed
 0 00 00 0  0  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 0*  
 Trying 127.0.0.1:...
* Connected to localhost (127.0.0.1) port  (#0)

GET http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release HTTP/1.1
Host: ftp.debian.org
User-Agent: curl/7.88.1
Accept: */*
Proxy-Connection: Keep-Alive


< HTTP/1.1 200 OK
< Content-Type: text/plain
< Last-Modified: Sat, 07 Oct 2023 09:30:02 GMT
< Content-Length: 149228
< Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 07:21:42 GMT
< Server: approx/5.12 Ocamlnet/
< 
{ [4096 bytes data]

100  145k  100  145k0 0   193k  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--  193k
* Connection #0 to host localhost left intact
root@mollydew:/etc/approx# 

Re: approx in debian 12

[Reco]

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 06:48:37AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > > debian   http://fpt.debian.org/debian
> > 
> > Is this a typo? It should be (ftp, not fpt)
> Yes; a typo.

OK. And what happens if you execute this on a approx server:

curl -x http://localhost: -v 
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release >/dev/null

Reco

Re: approx in debian 12

[Russell L. Harris]

debian   http://fpt.debian.org/debian


Is this a typo? It should be (ftp, not fpt)

Yes; a typo.


"journalctl | grep approx" on approx server should show something that's
related to the problem.


root@mollydew:/home/rlh# journalctl | grep approx
Nov 14 07:54:27 mollydew groupadd[4819]: group added to /etc/group: 
name=approx, GID=120
Nov 14 07:54:27 mollydew groupadd[4819]: group added to /etc/gshadow: 
name=approx
Nov 14 07:54:27 mollydew groupadd[4819]: new group: name=approx, GID=120
Nov 14 07:54:28 mollydew useradd[4825]: new user: name=approx, UID=111, 
GID=120, home=/var/cache/approx, shell=/usr/sbin/nologin, from=none
Nov 14 07:54:29 mollydew systemd[1]: Listening on approx.socket - caching proxy 
server for Debian archive files.
Nov 14 07:56:48 mollydew systemd[1]: approx.socket: Deactivated successfully.
Nov 14 07:56:48 mollydew systemd[1]: Closed approx.socket - caching proxy 
server for Debian archive files.
Nov 14 18:45:29 mollydew systemd[1]: Listening on approx.socket - caching proxy 
server for Debian archive files.
Nov 15 08:24:34 mollydew systemd[1]: approx.socket: Deactivated successfully.
Nov 15 08:24:34 mollydew systemd[1]: Closed approx.socket - caching proxy 
server for Debian archive files.
Nov 15 21:27:22 mollydew systemd[1]: Listening on approx.socket - caching proxy 
server for Debian archive files.
Nov 16 00:40:56 mollydew systemd[1]: approx.socket: Deactivated successfully.
Nov 16 00:40:56 mollydew systemd[1]: Closed approx.socket - caching proxy 
server for Debian archive files.
Nov 16 00:42:30 mollydew systemd[1]: Listening on approx.socket - caching proxy 
server for Debian archive files.
Nov 16 07:19:45 mollydew systemd[1]: approx.socket: Deactivated successfully.
Nov 16 07:19:45 mollydew systemd[1]: Closed approx.socket - caching proxy 
server for Debian archive files.
Nov 17 01:43:36 mollydew systemd[1]: Listening on approx.socket - caching proxy 
server for Debian archive files.
Nov 17 04:47:32 mollydew systemd[1]: approx.socket: Deactivated successfully.
Nov 17 04:47:32 mollydew systemd[1]: Closed approx.socket - caching proxy 
server for Debian archive files.
Nov 17 04:49:05 mollydew systemd[1]: Listening on approx.socket - caching proxy 
server for Debian archive files.
root@mollydew:/home/rlh# 

Re: approx in debian 12

[Reco]

Hi.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 05:54:45AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> Both the target machine (192.168.1.25) and the approx server
> (192.168.1.30) are in my LAN.  The approx server is a fresh install of
> Debian 12.
> 
> The approx.conf file has only two lines uncommented (should I add "us"?):
> 
> debian   http://fpt.debian.org/debian

Is this a typo? It should be (ftp, not fpt)

debian   http://ftp.debian.org/debian


> Scanning the archive mirror produces the "red screen of death" BAD
> ARCHIVE MIRROR.  Virtual console 4 says: "WARNING **: mirror does not
> support the specified release"

"journalctl | grep approx" on approx server should show something that's
related to the problem.

Reco

Re: approx in debian 12

[Russell L. Harris]

On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 01:08:50PM +0300, Reco wrote:

What you have is approx.socket unit, which causes systemd to listen on
tcp:.
On each incoming connection
"approx@:-:.service" is
started. That service is only used to serve that particular connection,
and is terminated after.

Thus, there's nothing to restart. You just edit /etc/approx/approx.conf,
and try your changes immediately.


I am trying to do another netinstall of Debian 12 on a Lenovo G570
laptop.

Both the target machine (192.168.1.25) and the approx server 
(192.168.1.30) are in my LAN.  The approx server is a fresh install of

Debian 12.

The approx.conf file has only two lines uncommented (should I add "us"?):

debian   http://fpt.debian.org/debian
security http://security.debian.org/debian-security

In netinstall, under CONFIGURE THE PACKAGE MANAGER, I have specified
the debian archive mirror hostname:

192.168.1.30:

and debian archive mirror directory:

/debian/

Scanning the archive mirror produces the "red screen of death" BAD
ARCHIVE MIRROR.  Virtual console 4 says: "WARNING **: mirror does not
support the specified release"

RLH

Re: Linux supprt

[tomas]

On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 02:24:05PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:

[...]

> > "You get what you settle for."
> >   -- Thelma and Louise
> 
> I settled for Debian.  Worked out OK 'til now.

This.

Cheers
-- 
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Re: MySQL Workbench

[N4ch0]

On Thu Nov 16, 2023 at 5:22 PM -03, Carlos Villiere wrote:
> ¡¡Hola Comunidad Debian!!
>
> Estoy tratando de instalar mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34 en miPc Debian
> desde un paquete .deb obtenido de la Web Page de MySQL, pero los únicos
> para Sistemas Debian son
> mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64 y
> mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu22.04_amd64.
> También tengo la versión del código fuente.
> Al querer instalarla mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64

Debian != Ubuntu

> con el procedimiento estándar.
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get upgrade
> sudo apt-get install
> ./mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64.deb
> Tengo un problema de dependencias que me informa apt-get
> "Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
>  mysql-workbench-community : Depende: libatkmm-1.6-1v5 (>= 2.28.3) pero
> 2.28.0-3 va a ser instalado
>  Depende: libc6 (>= 2.35) pero 2.31-13+deb11u7
> va a ser instalado
>  Depende: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.70.0) pero
> 2.66.8-1 va a ser instalado
>  Depende: libglibmm-2.4-1v5 (>= 2.66.6) pero
> 2.64.2-2 va a ser instalado
>  Depende: libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 (>= 3.24.7) pero
> 3.24.2-2 va a ser instalado
>  Depende: libjpeg8 (>= 8c) pero no es instalable
>  Depende: liblerc4 (>= 3.0) pero no es
> instalable
>  Depende: libmysqlclient21 (>= 8.0.11) pero no
> es instalable
>  Depende: libproj25 (>= 8.2.0) pero no es
> instalable
>  Depende: libpython3.11 (>= 3.11.0) pero no es
> instalable
>  Depende: libsasl2-2 (>= 2.1.28+dfsg) pero
> 2.1.27+dfsg-2.1+deb11u1 va a ser instalado
>  Depende: libssl3 (>= 3.0.0) pero no es
> instalable
>  Depende: libstdc++6 (>= 12) pero 10.2.1-6 va a
> ser instalado
>  Depende: libwebp7 (>= 1.2.4) pero no es
> instalable
> E: No se pudieron corregir los problemas, usted ha retenido paquetes rotos.
> " (sic.)
> El paquete mysql-workbench-community no se encuentra en los repositorios de
> Debian, por esa razon lo baje de la Web Page.
> La cuestion aqui es, ¿resuelvo las dependencias incumplidas y vuelvo a
> intentar instalarlo o pruebo instalar desde las fuentes con Cmake, el que
> tengo ya instalado, y es como indica la documentación que incluye el
> mysql-workbench-community-8.0.33-src.tar.gz?
> ¿La primera opción podría producir algún inconveniente en mi sistema?
> Desde ya les agradezco su tiempo y sugerencias al respecto.
> Atte.
> Carlos Villiere

Revisa esto, ni idea si funcionará [1]



[1] 
https://linux.how2shout.com/2-ways-to-install-mysql-workbench-on-debian-11-bullseye-linux/

Re: MySQL Workbench

[Robert J. Briones C.]

El jue, 16 nov 2023 a las 22:16, Carlos Villiere ()
escribió:

>
> ¡¡Hola Comunidad Debian!!
>
> Estoy tratando de instalar mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34 en miPc Debian
> desde un paquete .deb obtenido de la Web Page de MySQL, pero los únicos
> para Sistemas Debian son
> mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64 y
> mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu22.04_amd64.
> También tengo la versión del código fuente.
> Al querer instalarla mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64
> con el procedimiento estándar.
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get upgrade
> sudo apt-get install
> ./mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64.deb
> Tengo un problema de dependencias que me informa apt-get
> "Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
>  mysql-workbench-community : Depende: libatkmm-1.6-1v5 (>= 2.28.3) pero
> 2.28.0-3 va a ser instalado
>  Depende: libc6 (>= 2.35) pero 2.31-13+deb11u7
> va a ser instalado
>  Depende: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.70.0) pero
> 2.66.8-1 va a ser instalado
>  Depende: libglibmm-2.4-1v5 (>= 2.66.6) pero
> 2.64.2-2 va a ser instalado
>  Depende: libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 (>= 3.24.7) pero
> 3.24.2-2 va a ser instalado
>  Depende: libjpeg8 (>= 8c) pero no es
> instalable
>  Depende: liblerc4 (>= 3.0) pero no es
> instalable
>  Depende: libmysqlclient21 (>= 8.0.11) pero no
> es instalable
>  Depende: libproj25 (>= 8.2.0) pero no es
> instalable
>  Depende: libpython3.11 (>= 3.11.0) pero no es
> instalable
>  Depende: libsasl2-2 (>= 2.1.28+dfsg) pero
> 2.1.27+dfsg-2.1+deb11u1 va a ser instalado
>  Depende: libssl3 (>= 3.0.0) pero no es
> instalable
>  Depende: libstdc++6 (>= 12) pero 10.2.1-6 va
> a ser instalado
>  Depende: libwebp7 (>= 1.2.4) pero no es
> instalable
> E: No se pudieron corregir los problemas, usted ha retenido paquetes rotos.
> " (sic.)
> El paquete mysql-workbench-community no se encuentra en los repositorios
> de Debian, por esa razon lo baje de la Web Page.
> La cuestion aqui es, ¿resuelvo las dependencias incumplidas y vuelvo a
> intentar instalarlo o pruebo instalar desde las fuentes con Cmake, el que
> tengo ya instalado, y es como indica la documentación que incluye el
> mysql-workbench-community-8.0.33-src.tar.gz?
> ¿La primera opción podría producir algún inconveniente en mi sistema?
> Desde ya les agradezco su tiempo y sugerencias al respecto.
> Atte.
> Carlos Villiere
>


Creo que el problema es por que el paquete deb que estas intentando
instalar es de ubuntu, si bien muchas veces funciona correctamente en
debian, en este caso no se cumplen las dependencias, yo la ultima vez que
lo instalé, recuerdo haberlo hecho siguiendo las indicaciones de la web de
mysql, pero la opciçon de Cmake igual es buena opción.

Saludos.

Re: Password managers

[Ryan Nowakowski]

On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 06:08:04AM +0100, Oliver Schode wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 21:58:17 -0500
>  wrote:
> >As it happens, pass(1) appeared to be precisely what I was looking for.
> >My original code stores all passwords in a single file, whereas pass
> >stores each password in a separate file. In addition, I don't need pass
> >in order to decode the password files. If pass every goes away or
> >disappears from the Debian repos, I can still fetch my passwords (and
> >associated data). Plus, it will insert any line in the password file
> >into the clipboard. And it's a terminal app. Yay.
> >
> 
> Good to see there's still an option for every liking. Turns out my
> expectations are not that far from yours, though gpg is a no-go for me
> (hence almost all in-repo managers) and bash/git magic all but out of
> the question for anyone also using mobile. 

There are several mobile apps that integrate well with pass(1).  I
use https://passwordstore.app/ for Android.

Re: Upgrade my distribution

[Michael Kjörling]

On 16 Nov 2023 14:27 -0600, from willitc9...@gmail.com (William Torrez Corea):
> I have Debian 11 bullseye. I want have Debian 12 "bookworm"
> 
> I execute the command:
> 
> apt-get update
>> apt upgrade
>> apt dist-upgrade
> 
> But I don't get any change in my distribution.

In addition to what has already been said about updating your apt
sources list, _please_ first read the Bookworm release notes:

https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/amd64/release-notes/index.en.html

and _particularly_ the chapter on upgrading:

https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html

(Those links go to the English amd64 release notes. There are links to
other versions at https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/releasenotes
if you prefer some other language or use a different architecture.)

Yes, it's fairly long. Yes, much of it probably won't apply to your
situation. But it will clarify a lot of things that you want to get
right before, during and after the upgrade to ensure the smoothest
possible upgrade.

-- 
Michael Kjörling  https://michael.kjorling.se
“Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”

Re: Upgrade my distribution

[Dan Ritter]

William Torrez Corea wrote: 
> *How can I upgrade my distribution?*
> I have Debian 11 bullseye. I want have Debian 12 "bookworm"
> 
> I execute the command:
> 
> apt-get update
> > apt upgrade
> > apt dist-upgrade

Step 0 is to change your /etc/apt/sources.list and anything in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/* to point to bookworm instead of
bullseye.

e.g.:

deb http://debian.mirror.constant.com/debian bookworm main contrib non-free 
non-free-firmware
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bookworm-updates main contrib non-free
deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main contrib

and then do the three steps again, solve any final issues, and
reboot.

-dsr-

Re: Upgrade my distribution

[Felix Miata]

William Torrez Corea composed on 2023-11-16 14:27 (UTC-0600):

> *How can I upgrade my distribution?*
> I have Debian 11 bullseye. I want have Debian 12 "bookworm"

> I execute the command:

> apt-get update
>> apt upgrade
>> apt dist-upgrade

> But I don't get any change in my distribution.

You must edit /etc/apt/sources.list before that will work:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade
-- 
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based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

Re: Upgrade my distribution

[Gareth Evans]

On 16 Nov 2023, at 20:28, William Torrez Corea  wrote:How can I upgrade my distribution?I have Debian 11 bullseye. I want have Debian 12 "bookworm"I execute the command:apt-get update apt upgrade apt dist-upgrade  But I don't get any change in my distribution. Hi William,https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/amd64/release-notes/index.en.htmlAssuming you have a 64-bit AMD or Intel system, sections 5, 4, 2 and Appendix A of the above may be of particular interest, if not necessarily in that order.Best wishes,Gareth-- With kindest regards, William.⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org⠈⠳⣄ 

MySQL Workbench

[Carlos Villiere]

¡¡Hola Comunidad Debian!!

Estoy tratando de instalar mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34 en miPc Debian
desde un paquete .deb obtenido de la Web Page de MySQL, pero los únicos
para Sistemas Debian son
mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64 y
mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu22.04_amd64.
También tengo la versión del código fuente.
Al querer instalarla mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64
con el procedimiento estándar.
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
sudo apt-get install
./mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64.deb
Tengo un problema de dependencias que me informa apt-get
"Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
 mysql-workbench-community : Depende: libatkmm-1.6-1v5 (>= 2.28.3) pero
2.28.0-3 va a ser instalado
 Depende: libc6 (>= 2.35) pero 2.31-13+deb11u7
va a ser instalado
 Depende: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.70.0) pero
2.66.8-1 va a ser instalado
 Depende: libglibmm-2.4-1v5 (>= 2.66.6) pero
2.64.2-2 va a ser instalado
 Depende: libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 (>= 3.24.7) pero
3.24.2-2 va a ser instalado
 Depende: libjpeg8 (>= 8c) pero no es instalable
 Depende: liblerc4 (>= 3.0) pero no es
instalable
 Depende: libmysqlclient21 (>= 8.0.11) pero no
es instalable
 Depende: libproj25 (>= 8.2.0) pero no es
instalable
 Depende: libpython3.11 (>= 3.11.0) pero no es
instalable
 Depende: libsasl2-2 (>= 2.1.28+dfsg) pero
2.1.27+dfsg-2.1+deb11u1 va a ser instalado
 Depende: libssl3 (>= 3.0.0) pero no es
instalable
 Depende: libstdc++6 (>= 12) pero 10.2.1-6 va a
ser instalado
 Depende: libwebp7 (>= 1.2.4) pero no es
instalable
E: No se pudieron corregir los problemas, usted ha retenido paquetes rotos.
" (sic.)
El paquete mysql-workbench-community no se encuentra en los repositorios de
Debian, por esa razon lo baje de la Web Page.
La cuestion aqui es, ¿resuelvo las dependencias incumplidas y vuelvo a
intentar instalarlo o pruebo instalar desde las fuentes con Cmake, el que
tengo ya instalado, y es como indica la documentación que incluye el
mysql-workbench-community-8.0.33-src.tar.gz?
¿La primera opción podría producir algún inconveniente en mi sistema?
Desde ya les agradezco su tiempo y sugerencias al respecto.
Atte.
Carlos Villiere

about sound volume

[hlyg]

i have 2 pc, using same speaker, both running aumix for bookworm

pc1 has 2 controls for loudness, Vol=90 and Pcm=46

pc2 has 1 control for loudness, how to set it so that loudness is same 
as pc1?

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

[David Wright]

On Thu 16 Nov 2023 at 13:02:28 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2023-11-15 13:54:51 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > On Wed 15 Nov 2023 at 20:01:20 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > On 2023-11-15 18:06:45 +, Tixy wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2023-11-15 at 18:15 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > > > On 2023-11-15 16:39:15 -, Curt wrote:
> > > > > > On 2023-11-14, Vincent Lefevre  wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The base number is the same, but I would have thought that this 
> > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > kernel might have additional patches.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > That's why I suggested ignoring the message.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Then why does reportbug mention the bullseye-backports kernel?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Because it kind of looks newer if you're a not very bright software
> > > > > > construct, he opined.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But the bookworm-backports kernel is even newer.
> > > > > So why not this one?
> > > > 
> > > > Because it's a different package?
> > > 
> > > There is no guarantee that a package with the same name in a
> > > different distribution has the same meaning (because packages
> > > get renamed...). So I would say that this is not a good reason.
> > 
> > Well, it would seem strange to provide a backport for a package
> > and call it by a different name. But with kernels, there's always
> > the problem of a myriad of slightly different versions, so a
> > fuzzy name match might be appropriate.
> 
> In any case, if a package is renamed (which particularly applies to
> unstable, I don't know about backports), I would expect reportbug
> to also consider the new name for a newer version of the package.
> In short, its search for newer versions should be based on the
> source package rather than the binary package.

As I said above, I don't know whether they apply any fuzziness to the
version numbers in view of the multiplicity of linux-image versions
(and sources). As far as a 'rename' is concerned, I don't think that
linux-image has changed name since it was kernel-image in sarge.

> > > But I'm still wondering where reportbug gets this particular
> > > version 6.1.55+1~bpo11+1, as it is not in bullseye-backports.
> > 
> > I just downloaded 
> > /debian/dists/bullseye-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz
> > (2023-11-02 13:59 395K), and it contains:
> [...]
> 
> Note that for the Packages files, reportbug just uses the files from
> the /var/lib/apt/lists directory, but I don't have anything matching
> *bullseye* there.

I didn't know that, and at least one post in this thread suggests otherwise.

> > so there do appear to be 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 candidates, like
> > linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64-unsigned.
> 
> Note the difference between 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 and 6.1.55+1~bpo11+1
> (a "-" has been replaced by "+").

Yes, and I assumed that might be because sources are being looked up
as well as binaries. Looking at the list I posted, the top half has
the Sources (src) specified as plain "linux". The bottom half is more
forthcoming, with versions in parentheses. I can only assume that
these are source versions and that's the reason for their + signs.

But this is way deeper than I have plumbed in version numbering.
I used to compile custom kernels when the hardware was much simpler,
but my versioning was always protected by a nice big Epoch.

Cheers,
David.

Re: OT: any South Korean users out there?

[David]

On Thu, 2023-11-16 at 11:23 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Please forgive the off-topic question. I want to connect with someone
> from South Korea. I want to understand how competition helps drive
> down the cost of internet service.
> 
> I understand South Korea has at least 6 Internet Service Providers in
> some areas. South Koreans enjoy gigabit download speeds at a fraction
> of the cost to their US counterparts. They can download a 4 GB dvd or
> iso in under 2 seconds, and pay the equivalent to about $25/month for
> the service. Or those were the numbers I saw several years ago. (The
> US is a mess because of a US Supreme Court ruling where the idiots in
> black robes decided 2 companies were enough for competition. It has
> ruined competition in every vertical I am aware of).
> 
> I want to verify the numbers, and ask some follow up questions.

I think you will find this applies to all U.S. infrastructure, now.
Rail, bridges, etc., are now not just decades behind in maintenance,
but generations.
Cheers!

-- 
`I intend to live forever,
or die trying'.

--Groucho Marx

Re: Linux supprt

[Stefan Monnier]

>> But mail as "they" know it has nothing to do with transport or
>> networking. They know it as a service not as anything else.
>> Like electricity. The "freedom" to exchange email is what
>> matters to them.
> Especially if they can control that freedom.

I think the "they" above referred to the users/victims.

>> Just about everyone in the developed countries permits and is ok
>> with their electric/telecom/heating service coming from a monopoly,
>> oligoploy, or government-owned entity. So the same situation for
>> email is ok with them as long as the cost is low.
> The difference with utilities like electricity is that they are
> _regulated_ monopolies.

Indeed.

> There is at least a bit of government oversight to make sure the
> electricity provider doesn't gouge its subscribers too badly.

And that they don't sell data about your electricity usage patterns to
the whoever offers the best price.

> In Canada they're threatening to cut off news feeds in retaliation for
> the government's attempts to make them pay news providers for the data
> they're redistributing.  Most people are too ignorant to realize that
> this is an idle threat

It's not an idle threat: (re)distributing news doesn't bring very much
benefits to those giants, so it's definitely in their best commercial
interest to cut it off rather than to pay what the government asks
for it.

> "You get what you settle for."
>   -- Thelma and Louise

I settled for Debian.  Worked out OK 'til now.


Stefan

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

[Tixy]

On Thu, 2023-11-16 at 15:56 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote:
> The FriendlyPC version run a vendor version of Debian with some packages 
> especially compiled for the device such as ffmpeg and graphics drivers
> 
> Armbian is usually a bit slower in releases and produces a more 
> canonical Debian version with differences in the SBC specific device 
> drivers using dynamic overlays. Most packages are pure debian


Thanks for replying. I'm just want something to act as a router, NAS
using NFS, and SMTP/IMAP sever for my email. I.e. Ethernet, USB and
SATA. What I have at the moment works finem its just that when Debian
drops support for the armel architecture I'm going to have to fork out
for new hardware, so am keeping my eye out for cheap options.

Another alternative is to just build armel myself. That might work for
the first release after the architecture is dropped, assuming it isn't
dropped for some major region, like broken compilers etc.

-- 
Tixy

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

[Tixy]

On Thu, 2023-11-16 at 10:49 -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > 
> 
> > I'm currently running a Globalscale SheevaPlug and a DreamPlugs but
> > Debian support for the old ARM architecture is likely to end soon.
> > (Dropping it seems to come up each release, but so far they're
> > still
> > releasing for it.)
> 
> If these can run the `armhf` port you should be fine for a few
> more years.  For `armel` the writing is on the wall, tho.

They're armel. ARMv5 Thumb mode only.

-- 
Tixy

Re: approx in debian 12

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 10:26:48AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> Multiple instances, eh? That's a part of systemd I know nothing about.
> On my test machine, while approx is enabled, I have no instances
> actually running, which leads me to think that systemd launches an
> instance of approx when a client knocks on its port, much like inetd.
> And that could easily lead to multiple instances.

Yes.  That's precisely what "socket activation" is -- an inetd-like
feature built into systemd.

Re: Linux supprt

[Charlie Gibbs]

On Tue Nov 14 13:25:36 2023 Nicholas Geovanis 
wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 12:35 PM  wrote:
>
>> But yes, in a way convenience can drown out freedom. See that other
>> thread in this mailing list about mail providers. All people flocking
>> to gmail although it's clear that Google would like to kill mail
>> as we know it.
>
> But mail as "they" know it has nothing to do with transport or
> networking. They know it as a service not as anything else.
> Like electricity. The "freedom" to exchange email is what
> matters to them.

Especially if they can control that freedom.

> Just about everyone in the developed countries permits and is ok
> with their electric/telecom/heating service coming from a monopoly,
> oligoploy, or government-owned entity. So the same situation for
> email is ok with them as long as the cost is low.

The difference with utilities like electricity is that they are
_regulated_ monopolies.  There is at least a bit of government
oversight to make sure the electricity provider doesn't gouge
its subscribers too badly.  Tech giants like Google, etc. are
_unregulated_ monopolies, who can do whatever they want to us
without having the government come after them.  In Canada they're
threatening to cut off news feeds in retaliation for the government's
attempts to make them pay news providers for the data they're
redistributing.  Most people are too ignorant to realize that
this is an idle threat - there are plenty of other sources of
news - but they've already meekly accepted the tech corps. as
de facto monopolies.

"You get what you settle for."
  -- Thelma and Louise

--
/~\  Charlie Gibbs  |  Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ /|  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

Re: OT: any South Korean users out there?

[Bret Busby]

On 17/11/23 00:40, Greg wrote:

On 11/16/23 17:23, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Please forgive the off-topic question. I want to connect with someone
from South Korea. I want to understand how competition helps drive
down the cost of internet service.

I understand South Korea has at least 6 Internet Service Providers in
some areas. South Koreans enjoy gigabit download speeds at a fraction
of the cost to their US counterparts. They can download a 4 GB dvd or
iso in under 2 seconds, and pay the equivalent to about $25/month for
the service. Or those were the numbers I saw several years ago. (The
US is a mess because of a US Supreme Court ruling where the idiots in
black robes decided 2 companies were enough for competition. It has
ruined competition in every vertical I am aware of).


Poland, Warsaw, 1Gbps download, 65PLN/month = 16USD.

Regards
Greg

(Suburb of) Perth, state capital, Western Australia 10B/s - 6MB/s - via 
4G cellphone network (we can only just get 4G here - about 25% signal 
strength, when it works). Sometimes, the cellphone network simply 
disappears (but, then, this IS australia, where telecommunications 
networks disappear, for the whole country, for ten or more hours at a 
time ("We have a slight technical problem, and, we have no idea of the 
cause, but, it is definitely nothing to do with our firing a significant 
part of our workforce") ).


The australian feral parliament imposed a monopoly fibre to (somewhere 
along the road, away from residences, if you can find  the hidden nodes) 
cable network, named the NBN, which, by experience, means No Bl***y Network.


Oh, and, the terms and conditions of ALL of the telecommunications 
networks in Australia, including the No B***y Network, explicitly state 
that each network is NOT to be used for emergency calls. "Go figure."


About fifty years ago, a famous person named Fred Dagg, had a popular 
song; "You don't know how lucky you are" - no doubt, reference to it, 
including its lyrics, can be found using the spy company search engine 
that tracks all of your Internet activity (and sends surveillance vans 
to record videos through bedroom windows) - google.


That song applies to the USA with its reported Internet access (I 
understand that the USA has Gbps Internet data transmission speeds) - in 
australia, having reliable telephone communications, let alone 
consistent Internet data transmission speeds above 100Bps, is just 
wishful thinking.


australia, in terms of telecommunications capability, is still pretty 
much at the tin cans connected by fencing wire stage.



Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.

Re: approx in debian 12

[Charles Curley]

On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 06:53:16 +0100
Kamil Jońca  wrote:

> Charles Curley  writes:
> 
>  [...]  
>  [...]  
> >
> > Well, that's weird. I installed approx on a Debian 12 machine, and
> > got the same results you did. However:
> >
> > root@tsalmoth:~# ll /lib/systemd/system/approx*
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 165 Feb 12  2023
> > '/lib/systemd/system/approx@.service' -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 167
> > Feb 12  2023  /lib/systemd/system/approx.socket root@tsalmoth:~#
> > systemctl status approx.service Unit approx.service could not be
> > found.  
> 
> But here I cannot see approx.service, only approx@.service
> (ie. service which can have multiple instances)

Multiple instances, eh? That's a part of systemd I know nothing about.
On my test machine, while approx is enabled, I have no instances
actually running, which leads me to think that systemd launches an
instance of approx when a client knocks on its port, much like inetd.
And that could easily lead to multiple instances.


-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: touchpad buttons sometimes stop working for several seconds

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 2:02 PM Vincent Lefevre  wrote:
>
> I have a new laptop. An issue I have is that the touchpad buttons
> often stop working for several seconds (under X11).
>
> This is visible even with evtest: when I click on any of the soft
> buttons, I normally get an event like
>
> Event: time 1698773368.142943, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 272 (BTN_LEFT), value 0
>
> But when the problem occurs, I do not get such an event.
>
> Any idea to fix this?
>
> The device is: VEN_04F3:00 04F3:311C
>
> $ xinput list-props 13
> Device 'VEN_04F3:00 04F3:311C Touchpad':
> Device Enabled (190):   1
> Coordinate Transformation Matrix (192): 1.00, 0.00, 0.00, 
> 0.00, 1.00, 0.00, 0.00, 0.00, 1.00
> libinput Tapping Enabled (353): 0
> libinput Tapping Enabled Default (354): 0
> libinput Tapping Drag Enabled (355):1
> libinput Tapping Drag Enabled Default (356):1
> libinput Tapping Drag Lock Enabled (357):   0
> libinput Tapping Drag Lock Enabled Default (358):   0
> libinput Tapping Button Mapping Enabled (359):  1, 0
> libinput Tapping Button Mapping Default (360):  1, 0
> libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled (332):   0
> libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled Default (333):   0
> libinput Disable While Typing Enabled (361):1
> libinput Disable While Typing Enabled Default (362):1
> libinput Scroll Methods Available (334):1, 1, 0
> libinput Scroll Method Enabled (335):   1, 0, 0
> libinput Scroll Method Enabled Default (336):   1, 0, 0
> libinput Click Methods Available (363): 1, 1
> libinput Click Method Enabled (364):1, 0
> libinput Click Method Enabled Default (365):1, 0
> libinput Middle Emulation Enabled (366):0
> libinput Middle Emulation Enabled Default (367):0
> libinput Accel Speed (341): 0.00
> libinput Accel Speed Default (342): 0.00
> libinput Accel Profiles Available (343):1, 1
> libinput Accel Profile Enabled (344):   1, 0
> libinput Accel Profile Enabled Default (345):   1, 0
> libinput Left Handed Enabled (346): 0
> libinput Left Handed Enabled Default (347): 0
> libinput Send Events Modes Available (313): 1, 1
> libinput Send Events Mode Enabled (314):0, 0
> libinput Send Events Mode Enabled Default (315):0, 0
> Device Node (316):  "/dev/input/event14"
> Device Product ID (317):1267, 12572
> libinput Drag Lock Buttons (348):   
> libinput Horizontal Scroll Enabled (349):   1
> libinput Scrolling Pixel Distance (350):15
> libinput Scrolling Pixel Distance Default (351):15
> libinput High Resolution Wheel Scroll Enabled (352):1
>
> The X input drivers:
>
> $ dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-input
> ii  xserver-xorg-input-all  1:7.7+23  
>amd64X.Org X server -- input driver metapackage
> ii  xserver-xorg-input-libinput 1.2.1-1+b1
>amd64X.Org X server -- libinput input driver
> ii  xserver-xorg-input-wacom1.1.0-1   
>amd64X.Org X server -- Wacom input driver

I believe there's a libinput-record that you can use to record events.
Later you can inspect the events and play them back. Also see
.

Jeff

Re: touchpad buttons sometimes stop working for several seconds

[Max Nikulin]

On 16/11/2023 20:59, Vincent Lefevre wrote:


The question is what suppresses software buttons. If this is libinput
that suppresses them (just like it suppressed pointer moves when
typing, while pointer moves are still reported by the kernel), then
this is unrelated to my issue.


I am unsure if kernel is involved at all. It may be device firmware 
(have you checked for firmware updates?), it may be libinput as the 
device driver. Perhaps libinput may send some commands to touchpad to 
suppress generation of events for some interval of time.


Hypotheses:
- Issues are inherent to this model, so Windows users should suffer as well,
- Hardware issues with particular device.

If a dedicated discussion group exists then participants may be more 
experienced in debugging.


You posted output of xinput and mentioned evtest. I have never used 
"libinput debug-events", however I would try if this tool may provide 
more details.



BTW, I often accidentally touch the bottom of the touchpad with the
palm of my hand


I am unsure if you have read relevant parts of libinput docs
https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/palm-detection.html

I hope I solved my variant of "buttons does not work for some period of 
time" by dropping a snippet into xorg.conf.d that enables tap-to-click. 
For me it is more convenient than clicks in the bottom area. My 
observation is that hardware click works more reliable if I raise the 
finger for a moment after moving cursor. However in my case period of 
clickbuttons inactivity is usually just a few seconds (unless prolonged 
by repeating clicks). Sometimes clicks are ignored when a finger is at 
the bottom touchpad edge.

Re: OT: any South Korean users out there?

[Greg]

On 11/16/23 17:23, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Please forgive the off-topic question. I want to connect with someone
from South Korea. I want to understand how competition helps drive
down the cost of internet service.

I understand South Korea has at least 6 Internet Service Providers in
some areas. South Koreans enjoy gigabit download speeds at a fraction
of the cost to their US counterparts. They can download a 4 GB dvd or
iso in under 2 seconds, and pay the equivalent to about $25/month for
the service. Or those were the numbers I saw several years ago. (The
US is a mess because of a US Supreme Court ruling where the idiots in
black robes decided 2 companies were enough for competition. It has
ruined competition in every vertical I am aware of).


Poland, Warsaw, 1Gbps download, 65PLN/month = 16USD.

Regards
Greg

OT: any South Korean users out there?

[Jeffrey Walton]

Hi Everyone,

Please forgive the off-topic question. I want to connect with someone
from South Korea. I want to understand how competition helps drive
down the cost of internet service.

I understand South Korea has at least 6 Internet Service Providers in
some areas. South Koreans enjoy gigabit download speeds at a fraction
of the cost to their US counterparts. They can download a 4 GB dvd or
iso in under 2 seconds, and pay the equivalent to about $25/month for
the service. Or those were the numbers I saw several years ago. (The
US is a mess because of a US Supreme Court ruling where the idiots in
black robes decided 2 companies were enough for competition. It has
ruined competition in every vertical I am aware of).

I want to verify the numbers, and ask some follow up questions.

Jeff

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

[basti]

On 16.11.23 16:49, Stefan Monnier wrote:

My current favourites are RK3588 based CPU SBC devices which have an
exceptionally fast set of CPUs, high speed networking, and options for
Debian or Ubuntu or OpenWRT or Armbian.


Are these the usual SBC setup where you have to run the vendor kernel,
plus possibly other custom bits, or would pure Debian including kernel
run on them?


A good source of info to find out is to check the device tree files in
the official kernel source code:

 https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip

you'll see lots of rk3588 boards are supported and if you look inside
that board's `.dts` file you can see which parts of its hardware are
actually supported by the vanilla kernel (tho this is not written in
natural language, so if you're not familiar with the technical details
of devicetree files it can be somewhat challenging to interpret, YMMV).


I'm currently running a Globalscale SheevaPlug and a DreamPlugs but
Debian support for the old ARM architecture is likely to end soon.
(Dropping it seems to come up each release, but so far they're still
releasing for it.)


If these can run the `armhf` port you should be fine for a few
more years.  For `armel` the writing is on the wall, tho.


 Stefan



I wouldn't recommend an ARM CPU. amd64 architecture is also quite energy 
efficient and you may avoid a lot of trouble.


My thinclient needs around 10W (with 1x 2.5" SSD and 1x 2.5" HDD)

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

[Stefan Monnier]

>> My current favourites are RK3588 based CPU SBC devices which have an
>> exceptionally fast set of CPUs, high speed networking, and options for
>> Debian or Ubuntu or OpenWRT or Armbian.
>
> Are these the usual SBC setup where you have to run the vendor kernel,
> plus possibly other custom bits, or would pure Debian including kernel
> run on them?

A good source of info to find out is to check the device tree files in
the official kernel source code:

https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip

you'll see lots of rk3588 boards are supported and if you look inside
that board's `.dts` file you can see which parts of its hardware are
actually supported by the vanilla kernel (tho this is not written in
natural language, so if you're not familiar with the technical details
of devicetree files it can be somewhat challenging to interpret, YMMV).

> I'm currently running a Globalscale SheevaPlug and a DreamPlugs but
> Debian support for the old ARM architecture is likely to end soon.
> (Dropping it seems to come up each release, but so far they're still
> releasing for it.)

If these can run the `armhf` port you should be fine for a few
more years.  For `armel` the writing is on the wall, tho.


Stefan

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

[Max Nikulin]

On 14/11/2023 19:52, Махно wrote:

  > # apt-get install debian-handbook

This package contains the English book covering Debian 8 “Jessie”


Package description has not been updated.

debian-handbook (11.20220922) unstable; urgency=medium
[...]
  [ Raphaël Hertzog ]
  * Update the book to be based on Debian 11 with the help of Daniel 
Leidert.

[...]
 -- Raphaël Hertzog  Thu, 22 Sep 2022 14:36:46 +0200

You can check online version:
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/index.en.html

Re: touchpad buttons sometimes stop working for several seconds

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2023-11-08 12:06:10 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 04/11/2023 15:59, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2023-11-03 09:48:16 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> > >  From the "See ... for details" page
> > > 
> > > > Note
> > > > 
> > > > This warning is ratelimited and will stop appearing after a few times, 
> > > > even if the touchpad jumps continue.
> [...]
> > https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.22.0/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html
> 
> I think 
> 
> has a bit less chance to became outdated.
> 
> > Unfortunately, this doesn't allow me to see whether this could be
> > related.
> 
> My point is that events detected as jumps may suppress software buttons.
> Since not all such events are logged, it may be not so easy to find
> correlation. Perhaps there are debugging options to enable logging of all
> jumps.

The question is what suppresses software buttons. If this is libinput
that suppresses them (just like it suppressed pointer moves when
typing, while pointer moves are still reported by the kernel), then
this is unrelated to my issue.

> Debugging an issue (that perhaps is unrelated to input devices) I have
> realized that there is an older driver xserver-xorg-input-synaptics that you
> might try instead of libinput. Several years ago I installed this package to
> make tap to click working, but likely it is not necessary any more in my
> case. I have to "upload" an update to my memory that current default driver
> for touchpad is xserver-xorg-input-libinput.

I could try, but I fear that this will not change anything as this
is the kernel that doesn't report the clicks.

BTW, I often accidentally touch the bottom of the touchpad with the
palm of my hand (this may be because the touchpad is very large),
yielding multitouch (rather annoying). It might be what causes the
issue under particular circumstances. I'm wondering whether something
can be done about that (note: if I put something thick over it, this
disables the accidental touches, but this prevents the buttons from
working, as a consequence).

-- 
Vincent Lefèvre  - Web: 
100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: 
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2023-11-15 13:54:51 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 15 Nov 2023 at 20:01:20 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2023-11-15 18:06:45 +, Tixy wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2023-11-15 at 18:15 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
[...]
> > > > But the bookworm-backports kernel is even newer.
> > > > So why not this one?
> > > 
> > > Because it's a different package?
[...]
> I just downloaded 
> /debian/dists/bullseye-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz
> (2023-11-02 13:59 395K), and it contains:
[...]
> so there do appear to be 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 candidates, like
> linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64-unsigned.

Note that these 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 candidates do not match my binary
package. So, if these were the reason of the output, then the
answer to "Because it's a different package?" above would be "No".

-- 
Vincent Lefèvre  - Web: 
100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: 
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2023-11-15 13:54:51 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 15 Nov 2023 at 20:01:20 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2023-11-15 18:06:45 +, Tixy wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2023-11-15 at 18:15 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > > On 2023-11-15 16:39:15 -, Curt wrote:
> > > > > On 2023-11-14, Vincent Lefevre  wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The base number is the same, but I would have thought that this 
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > kernel might have additional patches.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > That's why I suggested ignoring the message.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Then why does reportbug mention the bullseye-backports kernel?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Because it kind of looks newer if you're a not very bright software
> > > > > construct, he opined.
> > > > 
> > > > But the bookworm-backports kernel is even newer.
> > > > So why not this one?
> > > 
> > > Because it's a different package?
> > 
> > There is no guarantee that a package with the same name in a
> > different distribution has the same meaning (because packages
> > get renamed...). So I would say that this is not a good reason.
> 
> Well, it would seem strange to provide a backport for a package
> and call it by a different name. But with kernels, there's always
> the problem of a myriad of slightly different versions, so a
> fuzzy name match might be appropriate.

In any case, if a package is renamed (which particularly applies to
unstable, I don't know about backports), I would expect reportbug
to also consider the new name for a newer version of the package.
In short, its search for newer versions should be based on the
source package rather than the binary package.

> > But I'm still wondering where reportbug gets this particular
> > version 6.1.55+1~bpo11+1, as it is not in bullseye-backports.
> 
> I just downloaded 
> /debian/dists/bullseye-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz
> (2023-11-02 13:59 395K), and it contains:
[...]

Note that for the Packages files, reportbug just uses the files from
the /var/lib/apt/lists directory, but I don't have anything matching
*bullseye* there.

> so there do appear to be 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 candidates, like
> linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64-unsigned.

Note the difference between 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 and 6.1.55+1~bpo11+1
(a "-" has been replaced by "+").

> I don't know how reportbug operates; nor do I know how to
> drive madison—perhaps it's seeing the third from last line.
> But I'm not sure why you're making such an issue out of
> reportbug's harmless suggestion to check whether you're
> up-to-date.

/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/reportbug/checkversions.py uses

RMADISON_URL = 'https://qa.debian.org/madison.php?package=%s=on'
NEWQUEUE_URL = 'http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.822'

Now, for the RMADISON_URL URL:

url = RMADISON_URL % package
if dists:
url += '=' + ','.join(dists)
# select only those lines that refers to source pkg
# or to binary packages available on the current arch
url += '=source,all,' + arch
try:
page = open_url(url, http_proxy, timeout)

If package is the binary package, I don't get the expected
version.

If I use "linux" (for the source package), I get in particular

 linux | 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1  | bullseye-backports | source

which looks like what is output, but since the 4 field is "source",
it is ignored:

if a == 'source':
continue

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Re: Help ! No syslog anymore

[Bhasker C V]

Michael,
You are a star.
I dont know what I did before but I re-installed rsyslog and changed the
PrivateTmp to no
It works now.
I can see /tmp/server.log is now pushing syslog contents
Thank you very much.

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 10:24 AM Michael Biebl  wrote:

> Am 13.11.23 um 10:13 schrieb Bhasker C V:
> > I forgot to answer the question on why I am doing this
> > I am experimenting on a no-log system where there is no writes
> > what-so-ever to /var/log (except for mails) or systemd journal
> > (currently kept volatile)
> > /tmp/ is tmpfs mounted
> > Attached is the rsyslog config as-it-is being used now.
> >
>
> With the attached rsyslog.conf, disabling PrivateTmp makes rsyslog log
> to /run/server.log correctly (verified locally).
>
> I can only assume you didn't follow my instructions properly.
>
> Please make sure after following my instruction that you have afterwards
> # systemctl show -P PrivateTmp rsyslog.service
> no
>
> Btw, for your use case, a subdirectory in /run would be more suitable,
> like say /run/syslog/.
>
> Also, you currently have
> *.* -/tmp/server.log
> *and*
> *.=info;*.=notice;*.=warn;\
> auth,authpriv.none;\
> cron,daemon.none;\
> mail,audit,news.none-/tmp/server.log
>
> This doesn't make any sense.
> This will basically duplicate the log messages in /tmp/server.log and
> interleave them.
>
> Either you split up the logs facilities and log them to separate files
> or you only keep a single log rule like
>
> *.* -/tmp/server.log
>
> which simply logs everything to /tmp/server.log
>
>

Re: approx in debian 12

[David]

On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 04:12, Russell L. Harris  wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 07:41:03PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> >On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 01:39:32 + "Russell L. Harris" 
> > wrote:

> >> I installed approx in a Debian 12 system, but when I attempt to
> >> restart it the error message appears "Unit approx.service not loaded."

> >Please show us a complete copy and paste of the transaction, from the
> >initial prompt and the command you entered, through to the following
> >prompt, inclusive.
> >
> >Then, similarly for "systemctl status approx".
> >
> >You may need to run "systemctl daemon-reload".

> root@mollydew:/home/rlh# systemctl daemon-reload
> root@mollydew:/home/rlh# systemctl restart approx
> Failed to restart approx.service: Unit approx.service not found.
> root@mollydew:/home/rlh# systemctl status approx
> Unit approx.service could not be found.
> root@mollydew:/home/rlh#

Hi, the reason that the above commands fail is that there is no
systemd unit named neither 'approx' nor 'approx.service'.
systemd assumes '.service' for unit names that dont have any
type specified, see 'man 1 systemd'.

The name of the systemd unit is 'approx.socket'. So you need to use
that complete name all commands. If you put that complete name in
the above commands, then they will have a chance to succeed.

Examples:

[root@kablamm ~]# systemctl list-sockets | grep -E 'LISTEN|approx' -
LISTENUNITACTIVATES
[::]: approx.socket   -

[root@kablamm ~]# systemctl status approx.socket
● approx.socket - caching proxy server for Debian archive files
 Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/approx.socket; enabled;
vendor preset: enabled)
 Active: active (listening) since Thu 2023-11-16 22:20:21 AEDT; 11min ago
   Docs: man:approx(8)
 Listen: [::]: (Stream)
   Accepted: 0; Connected: 0;
  Tasks: 0 (limit: 19049)
 Memory: 4.0K
CPU: 780us
 CGroup: /system.slice/approx.socket
Nov 16 22:20:21 kablamm systemd[1]: Listening on caching proxy server
for Debian archive files.

[root@kablamm ~]# cat /lib/systemd/system/approx.socket
[Unit]
Description=caching proxy server for Debian archive files
Documentation=man:approx(8)
[Socket]
ListenStream=
Accept=yes
[Install]
WantedBy=sockets.target

Re: dmraid not creation devices for partitions

[Reco]

Hi.

On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 10:11:16AM +, Drone Ah wrote:
> I found
> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/709184/fakeraid-partition-missing-not-mapped-as-a-device-on-boot-after-upgrade-to-ubu/760998#760998
> 
> Using kpartx as suggested in the above post does solve the problem. Getting
> it to run at startup, if required is another issue.
> 
> However, my question is whether this is a bug to be reported. If so, for
> which package? dmraid?

udev package seems more appropriate.

Reco

Re: approx in debian 12

[Reco]

Hi.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 07:02:39AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 07:14:04AM +0100, Kamil Jo?ca wrote:
> > Kamil Jo?ca  writes:
> > 
> > > Charles Curley  writes:
> > > 
> > > > On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 04:11:37 +
> > > > "Russell L. Harris"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > root@mollydew:/home/rlh# systemctl daemon-reload
> > > > > root@mollydew:/home/rlh# systemctl restart approx
> > > > > Failed to restart approx.service: Unit approx.service not found.
> > > > > root@mollydew:/home/rlh# systemctl status approx
> > > > > Unit approx.service could not be found.

It's expected, see below.

> > What if you issue:
> > systemctl status "approx@*.service"
> 
> It appears to run; no error message is produced, but no output, either.
> 
> But I am in not in familiar territory.

What you have is approx.socket unit, which causes systemd to listen on
tcp:.
On each incoming connection
"approx@:-:.service" is
started. That service is only used to serve that particular connection,
and is terminated after.

Thus, there's nothing to restart. You just edit /etc/approx/approx.conf,
and try your changes immediately.

Reco

Re: Password managers

[Michel Verdier]

On 2023-11-16, Oliver Schode wrote:

> (hence almost all in-repo managers) and bash/git magic all but out of
> the question for anyone also using mobile.

I use bash and git on android with termux. Working easily with apt :)