Re: hexchat being discontinued?

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Hellow^^^

On Sat, 2024-02-10 at 19:54 -0500, Default User wrote:
> :(
> (...)
> Any recommendations for a GOOD alternative?

How about Emacs?


Sincerely, Byunghee

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Re: Debian 12.5 upgrade error

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On Sun, 2024-02-11 at 19:14 +0200, Alexis Grigoriou wrote:
> On Sun, 2024-02-11 at 21:37 +0900, Byunghee HWANG (황병희) wrote:
> > Hellow Alexis,
> > 
> > 
> > What command did you type exactly?
> > 
> > In normal cases, i do like this:
> > 
> > 
> > sudo su -
> > apt update
> > apt upgrade
> > 
> > 
> I logged on as root on tty1
> /etc/init.d/lightdm stop
> apt update
> apt upgrade
> 
> I always do minor and major version updates on a tty with no GUI
> running.


Oh... you are better than me, then you would be good to follow
<87le7rw4j1@iki.fi>'s opinion... IMHO.


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Re: Debian 12.5 upgrade error

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Hellow Alexis,

On Sun, 2024-02-11 at 14:13 +0200, Alexis Grigoriou wrote:
>  I have encountered an error upgrading to 12.5 from 12.4 regarding
> the
> nvidia-driver and linux-image 6.1.0.18. The error is:
> 
> env NV_VERBOSE=1 make -j8 modules KERNEL_UNAME=6.1.0-18-
> amd64(bad exit status: 2)
> 
> I get that error twice.
> After the upgrade I get a non-bootable 6.1.0-18 image.
> Doing some fiddling, I got a bootable 6.1.0-18 image but no GUI.
> 
> I removed linux-image and linux-headers 6.1.0.-18 an I now have 
> 6.1.0.-17 working.
> 
> Has anyone else encounter this issue?

What command did you type exactly?

In normal cases, i do like this:


sudo su -
apt update
apt upgrade



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Re: Q: Gnome network odd

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Hellow David,

On Sun, 2024-02-04 at 13:41 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Sun 04 Feb 2024 at 13:57:13 (+0900), Byunghee HWANG (황병희) wrote:
> > On Fri, 2024-02-02 at 10:41 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > > On Fri 02 Feb 2024 at 07:37:34 (+), Tixy wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2024-01-31 at 22:12 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > > > > On Tue 30 Jan 2024 at 07:05:55 (+), Tixy wrote:
> > > > > > I also have a more vague memory that you could put config
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > /etc/network/interfaces then in some circumstance
> > > > > > NetworkManager would
> > > > > > not try and manage that interface, and in others it would
> > > > > > take over.
> > > > > > (Perhaps selected by allow hotplug option in the ifupdown
> > > > > > config?)
> > > > > 
> > > > > That seems unlikely. Perhaps you're thinking of NM's ifupdown
> > > > > plugin
> > > > > that allows you to use the configuration in /e/n/i. I'm
> > > > > assuming the
> > > > > OP has not installed that in their sleep.
> > > > 
> > > > They wouldn't need to because it looks like it's shipped with
> > > > the main
> > > > network-manage package which contains various files with
> > > > 'plugin' in
> > > > their name, including libnm-settings-plugin-ifupdown.so.
> > > 
> > > What I said was unlikely is that an option in ifupdown's
> > > configuration,
> > > /e/n/i, would control NM's behaviour. It's the mere mention of
> > > the
> > > interface there, as in   iface enp5s0 inet dhcp   that makes
> > > ifupdown
> > > control it, and makes NM back off, AIUI.
> > > 
> > > > As we've seen from the OPs latest reply, the plugin is
> > > > configured to
> > > > not manage interfaces.
> > > 
> > > Right, and so the default NM configuration (ifupdown plugin
> > > present,
> > > news to me) and   [ifupdown] // managed=false   in the .conf
> > > file,
> > > means that NM should not, by default, configure any interface
> > > mentioned in /e/n/i. In the OP's case, the original /e/n/i:
> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  433 Oct  4 17:23 interfaces.orig
> > > is big enough to hold a typical lo+eth+wlan configuration, which
> > > we haven't seen yet.
> > 
> > Sorry for late, David! 
> 
> That's the beauty of mailing lists: it just doesn't matter.
> 
> > root@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network# cat interfaces.orig
> > # This file describes the network interfaces available on your
> > system
> > # and how to activate them. For more information, see
> > interfaces(5).
> > 
> > source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
> > 
> > # The loopback network interface
> > auto lo
> > iface lo inet loopback
> > 
> > # The primary network interface
> > allow-hotplug wlp4s0
> > iface wlp4s0 inet dhcp
> > # wireless-* options are implemented by the wireless-tools
> > package
> > wireless-mode managed
> > wireless-essid V30_3982
> > root@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network# date
> 
> So it would appear that your question is exactly as in the reference
> you quoted, that ifupdown was configuring wlp4s0 when /w/n/i was
> in place, resulting in NM displaying a question mark. Now you've
> removed it, NM has taken over. That's just as in the first answer
> (Stephen Kitt Jul 23, 2018 7:00), except for the minor detail that
> Kitt mentions one should down the interface before moving /e/n/i
> if one wants to make the change cleanly, without rebooting.
> 
> (Frequently, people forget that /e/n/i is reread by ifupdown
> whenever you run its binaries; that's different from how many
> other programs treat their configuration files.)
> 
> > 1. I have never touched the inside of that file.
> > 2. I guess the real original file was from Debian 12. 
> 
> Not knowing the history of your installation, I wouldn't like
> to guess exactly how NM and ifupdown arrived at your earlier
> situation. But to answer the question posed in your OP,
> there's no bug here—just two wifi configuration methods
> being prioritised in accordance with their design.
> 
> Cheers,
> David.

Thank you for confirming that this is not a bug. And thank you to Max
and Tixy for participating in this discussion.

I'm happy now. Also Debian Sid are good for desktop, i think.


Sincerely, Byunghee

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Re: Q: Gnome network odd

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On Fri, 2024-02-02 at 10:41 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 02 Feb 2024 at 07:37:34 (+), Tixy wrote:
> > On Wed, 2024-01-31 at 22:12 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > > > I also have a more vague memory that you could put config into
> > > > /etc/network/interfaces then in some circumstance
> > > > NetworkManager
> > > > would
> > > > not try and manage that interface, and in others it would take
> > > > over.
> > > > (Perhaps selected by allow hotplug option in the ifupdown
> > > > config?)
> > > 
> > > That seems unlikely. Perhaps you're thinking of NM's ifupdown
> > > plugin
> > > that allows you to use the configuration in /e/n/i. I'm assuming
> > > the
> > > OP has not installed that in their sleep.
> > 
> > They wouldn't need to because it looks like it's shipped with the
> > main
> > network-manage package which contains various files with 'plugin'
> > in
> > their name, including libnm-settings-plugin-ifupdown.so.
> 
> What I said was unlikely is that an option in ifupdown's
> configuration,
> /e/n/i, would control NM's behaviour. It's the mere mention of the
> interface there, as in   iface enp5s0 inet dhcp   that makes ifupdown
> control it, and makes NM back off, AIUI.
> 
> > As we've seen from the OPs latest reply, the plugin is configured
> > to
> > not manage interfaces.
> 
> Right, and so the default NM configuration (ifupdown plugin present,
> news to me) and   [ifupdown] // managed=false   in the .conf file,
> means that NM should not, by default, configure any interface
> mentioned in /e/n/i. In the OP's case, the original /e/n/i:
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  433 Oct  4 17:23 interfaces.orig
> is big enough to hold a typical lo+eth+wlan configuration, which
> we haven't seen yet.

Sorry for late, David! 

Still i am on Debian Sid. And all Gnome network works very well. And
here is the detail contents of /e/n/i file:


root@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network# ls -l
total 24
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  7 18:51 if-down.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  8 19:45 if-post-down.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  8 19:45 if-pre-up.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  7 18:51 if-up.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 24  2023 interfaces.d
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  433 Oct  4 17:23 interfaces.orig
root@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network# cat interfaces.orig
# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# The primary network interface
allow-hotplug wlp4s0
iface wlp4s0 inet dhcp
# wireless-* options are implemented by the wireless-tools
package
wireless-mode managed
wireless-essid V30_3982
root@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network# date
Sun Feb  4 13:48:14 KST 2024
root@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network# 



NOTE: 
1. I have never touched the inside of that file.
2. I guess the real original file was from Debian 12. 

Thanks!!!


Sincerely, Byunghee

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Re: Q: Gnome network odd

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Hellow David,

On Wed, 2024-01-31 at 22:12 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 30 Jan 2024 at 07:05:55 (+), Tixy wrote:
> > On Mon, 2024-01-29 at 23:49 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > > I would tend to think that:
> > > 
> > > . The debian-installer installs ifupdown by default when you
> > > don't
> > >   install a Desktop Manager like Gnome,
> > > 
> > > . The debian-installer installs NetworkManager by default if you
> > > do
> > >   install a Desktop Manager like Gnome,
> > > 
> > > . It shouldn't do both.
> > > 
> > 
> > My experience, admittedly from a few releases ago, is that ifupdown
> > is
> > always installed but that the installer doesn't populate it's
> > config
> > files with the found network interfaces, only the loopback
> > interface.
> 
> AIUI that would be normal behaviour when the DE installs its own
> choice of package to handle the network.
> 
> But it's also what happens when you install over wifi and don't
> select a DE: the wifi configuration is removed as the last step
> in the installation process. It's a (mis)feature/bug that's been
> discussed for years.
> 
> > I also have a more vague memory that you could put config into
> > /etc/network/interfaces then in some circumstance NetworkManager
> > would
> > not try and manage that interface, and in others it would take
> > over.
> > (Perhaps selected by allow hotplug option in the ifupdown config?)
> 
> That seems unlikely. Perhaps you're thinking of NM's ifupdown plugin
> that allows you to use the configuration in /e/n/i. I'm assuming the
> OP has not installed that in their sleep. Max's request for printing
> the configuration could confirm that.
> 

For now it works all. And still i'm on Debian Sid. Just i attach some
results from Max's request:


soyeomul@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network$ LANG=C.UTF-8
soyeomul@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network$ date
Fri Feb  2 01:04:53 KST 2024
soyeomul@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network$ ls -l
total 24
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  7 18:51 if-down.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  8 19:45 if-post-down.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  8 19:45 if-pre-up.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  7 18:51 if-up.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 24  2023 interfaces.d
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  433 Oct  4 17:23 interfaces.orig
soyeomul@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network$ apt list '~i~nnetwork-manager'
Listing... Done
network-manager-config-connectivity-debian/unstable,now 1.44.2-7 all
[installed]
network-manager-dev/unstable,now 1.44.2-7 all [installed]
network-manager-fortisslvpn-gnome/unstable,now 1.4.0-1 amd64
[installed]
network-manager-fortisslvpn/unstable,now 1.4.0-1 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-gnome/unstable,now 1.34.0-2 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-iodine-gnome/unstable,now 1.2.0-3.3 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-iodine/unstable,now 1.2.0-3.3 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-l2tp-gnome/unstable,now 1.20.10-1 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-l2tp/unstable,now 1.20.10-1 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-openconnect-gnome/unstable,now 1.2.10-3 amd64
[installed]
network-manager-openconnect/unstable,now 1.2.10-3 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-openvpn-gnome/unstable,now 1.10.2-4 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-openvpn/unstable,now 1.10.2-4 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-pptp-gnome/unstable,now 1.2.12-3 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-pptp/unstable,now 1.2.12-3 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-ssh-gnome/unstable,now 1.2.11-1.1 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-ssh/unstable,now 1.2.11-1.1 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-sstp-gnome/unstable,now 1.3.2-1 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-sstp/unstable,now 1.3.2-1 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-strongswan/unstable,now 1.6.0-3 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-vpnc-gnome/unstable,now 1.2.8-7 amd64 [installed]
network-manager-vpnc/unstable,now 1.2.8-7 amd64 [installed]
network-manager/unstable,now 1.44.2-7 amd64 [installed]
soyeomul@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network$ /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --print-
config
# NetworkManager configuration: /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
(lib: 20-connectivity-debian.conf, no-mac-addr-change.conf)

[main]
# rc-manager=
# migrate-ifcfg-rh=false
# auth-polkit=true
# dhcp=internal
# iwd-config-path=
plugins=ifupdown,keyfile
configure-and-quit=no

[connectivity]
uri=http://network-test.debian.org/nm

[ifupdown]
managed=false

[logging]
# backend=journal
# audit=true

[device]
# wifi.backend=wpa_supplicant

[device-31-mac-addr-change]
match-device=driver:eagle_sdio,driver:wl
wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no

# no-auto-default file "/var/lib/NetworkManager/no-auto-default.state"
soyeomul@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network$


Plus, my INTERNET Router is LG Smartphone (LGM-V300K). By Mobile
Hotspot (SK Telecom), thanks!

 
Sincerely, Byunghee

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Re: Q: Gnome network odd

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Hellow David,

On Mon, 2024-01-29 at 23:49 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 30 Jan 2024 at 10:13:34 (+0900), Byunghee HWANG (황병희) wrote:
> > On Mon, 2024-01-29 at 09:35 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > > On Mon 29 Jan 2024 at 21:36:39 (+0900), Byunghee HWANG (황병희)
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > For months ago, i did upgrade Debian 12 to Debian Sid. At that
> > > > time,
> > > > Gnome network icon was odd. That appered as like question mark.
> > > > So
> > > > after i googling, i removed some file in /etc. Then OK! The
> > > > Internet is
> > > > started. (i did googling with smartphone).
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  soyeomul@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network$ LANG=C.UTF-8 ls -l
> > > > total 24
> > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  7 18:51 if-down.d
> > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  8 19:45 if-post-down.d
> > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  8 19:45 if-pre-up.d
> > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  7 18:51 if-up.d
> > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 24  2023 interfaces.d
> > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  433 Oct  4 17:23 interfaces.orig
> > > > soyeomul@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network$ 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > As you see above, i removed /etc/network/interfaces file.
> > > > Anyway
> > > > now it
> > > > works everything! No problem!
> > > > 
> > > > Is this a bug? Or am i wrong?
> > > > 
> > > > Ref: 
> > > > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/457856/how-to-fix-debians-networkmanager-with-question-mark-even-though-network-is-wor
> > > 
> > > AIUI there are several network configuration tools that defer to
> > > configurations that are set up in /e/n/i, which would be handled
> > > by ifupdown preferentially. Generally, removing /e/n/i
> > > completely,
> > > as you have, is fine. One side effect is that any entries in
> > > /e/n/interfaces.d/ will also be disabled.
> > > 
> > > The only machine on which I keep /e/n/i and ifupdown is my
> > > travelling
> > > laptop, for tethering with my phone:
> > > 
> > >   allow-hotplug usb0
> > > 
> > >   iface usb0 inet dhcp
> > > 
> > > BTW I don't know why you're running sid, but it's generally
> > > expected
> > > that sid users would be familiar with stuff like this,
> > > particularly
> > > as your question is already answered in the reference.
> > 
> > In frankly, i don't know interface things and network tools.
> > Whenever I
> > use the default value, just as it is. So still i don't understand
> > your
> > reply message in technically.
> 
> You have Gnome installed, which implies you configure the network
> with
> something like NetworkManager.
> 
> You /had/ a file called /etc/network/interfaces, which implied you
> were
> configuring the network with ifupdown.
> 
> If you try to configure the same /interface/ (which could be called
> something like eth0) with both NetworkManager and ifupdown, then
> NetworkManager should back off and let ifupdown do the configuring.
> 
> I can't tell you whether that makes Gnome display a question mark,
> but
> others might know. (I don't use Gnome, NetworkManager, or ifupdown.)

You see here:
https://gitlab.com/soyeomul/stuff/-/commit/6796b4fcd3fb3b0e5228b20ecd3209d7d1de0af4
I reproduced the odd screenshot -- question mark. I restored the file
/e/n/i as you know.


> 
> When you renamed the file to /etc/network/interfaces.orig, then
> ifupdown can no longer read it, nor take priority over
> NetworkManager,
> and NetworkManager should be happy to configure the interface itself.
> The question mark should go away. (Do you get a happy face displayed
> instead, or is NetworkManager more boring than that?)
> 
> I would tend to think that:
> 
> . The debian-installer installs ifupdown by default when you don't
>   install a Desktop Manager like Gnome,
> 
> . The debian-installer installs NetworkManager by default if you do
>   install a Desktop Manager like Gnome,
> 
> . It shouldn't do both.
> 
> But, if you upgrade an ifupdown-system and add NetworkManager in
> whatever way, then it's up to you to remove/hide any ifupdown
> configuration that you want NetworkManager to perform. That's
> probably what you did by renaming the file.
> 

Thank you for your kind and detailed analysis, David! I will refer to
your analysis the next time i encounter a similar difficulty.


Sincerely, Byunghee

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Re: Q: Gnome network odd

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On Tue, 2024-01-30 at 10:40 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 30/01/2024 08:21, Byunghee HWANG (황병희) wrote:
> > > nm-online
> > > nmcli
> > > nmcli connection
> > > nmcli device
> > > /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --print-config
> > > apt list '~i~nnetwork-manager'
> > > 
> > > E.g. the network-manager-config-connectivity-debian package sets
> > > connectivity test URI tohttp://network-test.debian.org/nm  see
> > > NetworkManager.conf(5). Is it available in your case?
> > 
> > The url, i did click. Then firefox said:
> > 
> > *NetworkManager is online*
> > 
> > And i don't know much about other items, thanks!
> 
> It is up to you if you wish to debug your issue and you are ready to 
> invest enough time into it. Just keep in mind that sid is unstable by
> its definition, so your system may be broken after upgrades and may 
> require time to repair, to recover from backups, or to reinstall 
> depending on your experience and preferences. What you have faced may
> be 
> an upstream bug or a consequence of inconsistent set of versions of 
> packages in the repository.
> 

Yes. Next time the problem arises again, i will analyze it with
patience, thank you Max!


Sincerely, Byunghee

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Re: Q: Gnome network odd

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On Mon, 2024-01-29 at 22:17 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 29/01/2024 19:36, Byunghee HWANG (황병희) wrote:
> > 
> > For months ago, i did upgrade Debian 12 to Debian Sid. At that
> > time,
> > Gnome network icon was odd. That appered as like question mark.
> [...]
> > As you see above, i removed /etc/network/interfaces file. Anyway
> > now it
> > works everything! No problem!
> 
> What various tools report when you have the problem?
> 
> nm-online
> nmcli
> nmcli connection
> nmcli device
> /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --print-config
> apt list '~i~nnetwork-manager'
> 
> E.g. the network-manager-config-connectivity-debian package sets 
> connectivity test URI to http://network-test.debian.org/nm see 
> NetworkManager.conf(5). Is it available in your case?

Hellow Max!

The url, i did click. Then firefox said:

*NetworkManager is online*


And i don't know much about other items, thanks!


Sincerely, Byunghee

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Re: Q: Gnome network odd

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On Mon, 2024-01-29 at 09:35 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 29 Jan 2024 at 21:36:39 (+0900), Byunghee HWANG (황병희) wrote:
> > 
> > For months ago, i did upgrade Debian 12 to Debian Sid. At that
> > time,
> > Gnome network icon was odd. That appered as like question mark. So
> > after i googling, i removed some file in /etc. Then OK! The
> > Internet is
> > started. (i did googling with smartphone).
> > 
> > 
> >  soyeomul@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network$ LANG=C.UTF-8 ls -l
> > total 24
> > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  7 18:51 if-down.d
> > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  8 19:45 if-post-down.d
> > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  8 19:45 if-pre-up.d
> > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  7 18:51 if-up.d
> > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 24  2023 interfaces.d
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  433 Oct  4 17:23 interfaces.orig
> > soyeomul@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network$ 
> > 
> > 
> > As you see above, i removed /etc/network/interfaces file. Anyway
> > now it
> > works everything! No problem!
> > 
> > Is this a bug? Or am i wrong?
> > 
> > Ref: 
> > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/457856/how-to-fix-debians-networkmanager-with-question-mark-even-though-network-is-wor
> 
> AIUI there are several network configuration tools that defer to
> configurations that are set up in /e/n/i, which would be handled
> by ifupdown preferentially. Generally, removing /e/n/i completely,
> as you have, is fine. One side effect is that any entries in
> /e/n/interfaces.d/ will also be disabled.
> 
> The only machine on which I keep /e/n/i and ifupdown is my travelling
> laptop, for tethering with my phone:
> 
>   allow-hotplug usb0
> 
>   iface usb0 inet dhcp
> 
> BTW I don't know why you're running sid, but it's generally expected
> that sid users would be familiar with stuff like this, particularly
> as your question is already answered in the reference.
> 

Hellow David!

In frankly, i don't know interface things and network tools. Whenever I
use the default value, just as it is. So still i don't understand your
reply message in technically.

And sid. At that time, i wanted to install a new emacs (29.1). Sid was
only the way.


Anyway thanks for kind advice and reply!



Sincerely, Byunghee

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Q: Gnome network odd

[황병희]

Hellow Debian hackers,

For months ago, i did upgrade Debian 12 to Debian Sid. At that time,
Gnome network icon was odd. That appered as like question mark. So
after i googling, i removed some file in /etc. Then OK! The Internet is
started. (i did googling with smartphone).


 soyeomul@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network$ LANG=C.UTF-8 ls -l
total 24
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  7 18:51 if-down.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  8 19:45 if-post-down.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  8 19:45 if-pre-up.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan  7 18:51 if-up.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 24  2023 interfaces.d
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  433 Oct  4 17:23 interfaces.orig
soyeomul@thinkpad-e495:/etc/network$ 


As you see above, i removed /etc/network/interfaces file. Anyway now it
works everything! No problem!

Is this a bug? Or am i wrong?

Ref: 
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/457856/how-to-fix-debians-networkmanager-with-question-mark-even-though-network-is-wor


Sincerely, Byunghee


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Re: ibus-wayland question

[황병희]

On Tue, 2023-06-20 at 14:05 +0200, didier gaumet wrote:
> Le 20/06/2023 à 13:05, Byung-Hee HWANG a écrit :
> 
> > Let me say my plan:
> > There is lovely Korean Input Method for Korean Linux users. That
> > name is
> > Nabi. However Nabi is run only X11 environment. I want to take the
> > Nabi
> > to the next generation "Wayland world". This is my lifelong wish.
> > Really
> > i love the Nabi.
> 
> If Nabi does not run natively under Wayland, can't you run the it
> under 
> Xwayland?
> https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland#Xwayland

Thanks again^^^


Sincerely, Byung-Hee

Re: ibus-wayland question

[황병희]

didier gaumet  writes:

> Le 20/06/2023 à 05:07, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) a écrit :
>> Hellow Debian hackers,s
>> I'm CJK user with Debian Gnome from South Korea.
>> Nowdays i am interested in Wayland and Input Method.
>> So i did install ibus-wayland:
> [...]
>> Please please show me the example config for testing inputing with
>> ibus-wayland. Yep, i am on Debian 12 (Bookworm).
> [...]
>
> Hello Byung-Hee,
>
> I am a lazy guy so to be able to type chinese characters I did:
> - install task-chinese-s, task-chinese-s-desktop,
>   task-chinese-s-gnome-desktop, task-chinese-t, task-chinese-t-desktop,
>   task-chinese-t-gnome-desktop.
> that takes care of fonts and input methods needed (one needs actual input
> methods, not only the input methods framework)
> - then I enter the Gnome setup (keyboard) and I add the Pinyin IME
> and I am done
>
> It's probably very similar for Korean
>
> (I am unable to write chinese or any CJK language, I am just used to do this
> to be able to set up a chinese IME for a friend)

Thank you didier! You are kind man i think.

It is very hard to answer i guess. Because i did not tell you(Debian
users) my real plan. The my real plan is to make input method (Korean)
under "Wayland only environment".

So i wanted to know that difference of 'GNOME Wayland' and 'Wayland'. I
thought that key have ibus-wayland.

thanks again didier ^^^


Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea

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Re: Bookworm: IBus input method preferences frequently forgotten

[황병희]

Christian Gelinek  writes:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm running the XFCE desktop on Bookworm.
>
> Via the IBus Preferences ("ibus panel" under Status Tray Items) dialog under
> Input Method, I like to add the "English (intl., with AltGr dead keys)" input
> method as a default to use across the whole system. Also, to prevent
> accidental switching, I remove the default "English (US)" input method and on
> the General tab, I delete the "space" keyboard shortcut to switch input
> methods.
>
> I have done this a number of times already but often after re-booting my
> system, the old settings are back, including the "English (US)" input method
> and the "space" keyboard shortcut.
>
> How can I find out what the problem is and make my preferences "stick"?
>
> Thanks for your time!

Hellow Christian!

Also i am using ibus under Debian 12. But my desktop is Gnome Wayland.

This may be not good reply, but just another opinion. Gnome is good with
ibus i think. How about using Gnome?


Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea

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ibus-wayland question

[황병희]

Hellow Debian hackers,

I'm CJK user with Debian Gnome from South Korea.
Nowdays i am interested in Wayland and Input Method.

So i did install ibus-wayland:


soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ dpkg -s ibus-wayland
Package: ibus-wayland
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: utils
Installed-Size: 311
Maintainer: Debian Input Method Team 
Architecture: amd64
Multi-Arch: foreign
Source: ibus
Version: 1.5.27-5
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.34), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libibus-1.0-5 (>= 1.5.1), 
libwayland-client0 (>= 1.20.0), libxkbcommon0 (>= 0.5.0)
Description: Intelligent Input Bus - Wayland support
 IBus is an Intelligent Input Bus. It is a new input framework for the Linux
 OS. It provides full featured and user friendly input method user interface.
 It also may help developers to develop input method easily.
 .
 This package contains the Wayland input method support.
 .
 This package is only needed if you are using a Wayland compositor which
 supports the "input-method-unstable-v1" protocol, and if you want to input
 text via this protocol. Note that even on Wayland compositors with no support
 of this protocol, IBus could still work using its own transport protocol and
 APIs.
Homepage: https://github.com/ibus/ibus
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ 



soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ env | grep SESSION
SESSION_MANAGER=local/yw-1130:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/2064,unix/yw-1130:/tmp/.ICE-unix/2064
GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
DESKTOP_SESSION=gnome
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=gnome
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland
XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
GDMSESSION=gnome
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/3253/bus
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ 



soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ env | grep ibus
GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus
XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ 



soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ cat /etc/environment
GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus
XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ 


Please please show me the example config for testing inputing with
ibus-wayland. Yep, i am on Debian 12 (Bookworm).

Any comments welcome everytime!!!

Really i have so much ***WAYLAND*** ^^^

As you know, this input is from ibus (GNU Emacs 28.2) ;;;


Sincerely, Byung-Hee (CJK user with Debian 12)

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Re: Is there no other tool but Zim, the graphical text editor based on wiki technologies, in Debian, to create intertwined wiki pages locally?

[황병희]

On Thu, 2023-06-15 at 13:54 +0200, Michel Verdier wrote:
> On 2023-06-15, Susmita/Rajib wrote:
> 
> > I require a WYSIWYG editor. Zim is one. But I also need another
> > supporting editor to further polish up files.
> 
> emacs ?
> 

+1; emacs is good! Also i use emacs very heavy ^^^


Sincerely,

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Re: Debian home page -> Download link broken:

[황병희]

Jeffrey Walton  writes:

> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 2:12 AM Tixy  wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 2023-06-10 at 23:55 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>> > Debian's wiki says to use apt-get:
>> > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade. Also see
>> > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/uptodate.html .
>> >
>> > Maybe it's time for a complete refresh of those documents.
>>
>> Or maybe the wiki page should be deleted, or just say go RTFM, i.e.
>> read the release notes for the release you want to upgrade to.
>
> Probably too late to delete the page. Wiki's are used for long term
> dissemination of information, and the link has been shared countless
> times. At this point it is likely best to update the wiki pages.
>

I agree with Jeff's comments. Because i also read that wiki page when i
did upgrade to 12 from 11. This is Bookworm's Emacs.


Sincerely, Byung-Hee (Bookworm user)

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Thanks for Debian ^^^

[황병희]

Hellow Debian hackers,

Today i did upgrade Debian with successfuly: from 11 to 12.

All things are good. No error No failure!


Thanks again!


soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ uname -srm
Linux 6.1.0-9-amd64 x86_64
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ lsb_release -d
No LSB modules are available.
Description:Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ evolution --version
evolution 3.46.4-2 
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ env | grep WAYLAND
WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-0
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ date
2023. 06. 11. (일) 12:18:31 KST
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ 



Sincerely, Byung-Hee (Bookworm user)

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Re: It's that time of the year again

[황병희]

Good morning Reco,

Reco  writes:

>   Dear list,
>
> [1] came to my attention today. Quoting the most relevant part (emphasis
> mine):
>
> There are still about 100 known RC bugs affecting bookworm, but we have
> accepted *to release having them included*.
>
>
> Forewarned is forearmed, as they say.
>
>
> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2023/06/msg0.html
>

Good news, thanks!

I'm waiting for her[bookworm] to come in South Korea.


Sincerely, Byung-Hee (Bullseye user)

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Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?

[황병희]

debian-u...@howorth.org.uk writes:

> Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)  wrote:
>> > (...)
>> > I have begun to dislike Gnome when it switched over to wayland
>> > desktop environment. I don't like it. (...)  
>> 
>> Rajib. In the future, all most GUI desktop(s) will run under Wayland.
>> So i suggest that you have to adapt to change, IMHO.
>
> It won't be for a considerable time yet, if at all, so there's no need
> to opt for the pain now if he doesn't want.
>

Thanks! You are right.

Also i'm using old things such as old smartphone(s) made by LG, and old
book <>, and old Tractor
(my day job is farmer in South Korea).

By the way, really i like Gnome Desktop ^^^


Sincerely, Byung-Hee

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Re: There appears to be a problem with openbox-menu for my installation from "Official Debian GNU/Linux Live 11.6.0 lxde 2022-12-17T11:46"

[황병희]

"Susmita/Rajib"  writes:

> Dear Illustrious Leaders and Senior Members of Debian Users ML,
>
> Out of intuition, after I extensively gathered information on LXDE and
> OpenBox, I checked the OpenBox installation from the LXDE ISO,
> `Official Debian GNU/Linux Live 11.6.0 lxde 2022-12-17T11:46`.
>
> A package `openbox-menu` was found. Invoked the command on the terminal. 
> Output:
>
> `File $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/applications.menu doesn't exist. Can't create menu.`
>
> Any inputs please?
>

Perhaps you need this one?
See 


Sincerely, Byung-Hee

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Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?

[황병희]

> (...)
> I have begun to dislike Gnome when it switched over to wayland desktop
> environment. I don't like it. (...)

Rajib. In the future, all most GUI desktop(s) will run under Wayland. So
i suggest that you have to adapt to change, IMHO.


Sincerely, Byung-Hee

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Solved (Was: Re: OT: Mutt's Message-ID and web link)

[황병희]

[This is re-send mail. Before mail is violation of rfc2822]

"Thomas Schmitt"  writes:

> Hi,
>
> Reco wrote:
>> either one escapes symbols in their URI, or it
>> may not lead to the desired outcome.
>
> But escaping only works in the query part of the msgid-search URL:
>
>   https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/?m=zeyj9uusax%2b%2fybg...@tuxteam.de
>
> not in the path part of the convenience URLs:
>
>   https://lists.debian.org/zeyj9uusax%2b%2fybg...@tuxteam.de
>   https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/zeyj9uusax%2b%2fybg...@tuxteam.de
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>

Thanks Thomas and Reco ^^^

Now i get understand for whole story, thanks!
And Mutt is really good software, i think.


Sincerely, Byung-Hee

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OT: Mutt's Message-ID and web link

[황병희]

Hellow Debian hackers,

A months ago, i did discover that new Mutt's Message-ID have trouble
with debian web's message-id link feature. That means like this:

[1] LINK: (gnome evolution's message-id)
https://lists.debian.org/80fa45cc6a7ee6728226fa4a4240fd35ed60a246.ca...@adam-barratt.org.uk
[2] LINK: (new Mutt's message-id)
https://lists.debian.org/ZEyj9UUSAx+/YbG/@tuxteam.de

[1] is OK, no problem. Firefox works fine.

But [2] have problem. Firefox does not search the link...
Maybe in Message-ID string, "/" seems trouble.

I suggest for some Mutt users. This how-to is so useful:
https://people.kernel.org/monsieuricon/fix-your-mutt

Thanks ^^^


Sincerely, Byung-Hee

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Re: sudoers question

[황병희]

Hi Stefan,

On Fri, 2023-05-12 at 08:25 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Or configure sudo to disable tty_tickets, so that the timeout (10
> > minutes by default IIRC) applies to all terminals.
> 
> `sudo bash` anyone?
> 

AMAZING! Thanks for tip, Stefan ^^^


Sincerely, Byung-Hee

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Re: User is not in the sudoers file

[황병희]

On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 17:08 -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Mon, 8 May 2023 17:27:24 +0200
>  wrote:
> 
> >  (2) add your user to the sudo group. I'd prefer (2).
> 
> usermod -a -G sudo 

Oh Good! Thanks for tip!


Sincerely, Byung-Hee

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Re: Email clients and IMAP search support

[황병희]

2023-04-26 (수), 15:19 +0200, Loris Bennett:
> Lionel Élie Mamane  writes:
> 
> > On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 05:01:53PM +0100, Andre Rodier wrote:
> > 
> > > Is there any desktop email client on Debian, that supports server
> > > side IMAP search, please ?
> > 
> > mutt makes a server-side search when the search operator starts
> > with
> > "=" instead of "~"; this also means that it is a string search
> > rather
> > than a regexp search, if I understand correctly this is due to the
> > IMAP protocol search not supporting regexps.
> > 
> > So e.g. "=s f.o" makes a server-side search for the exact string
> > "f.o"
> > in the subject, but "~s f.o" makes a client-side search in subject
> > for
> > f, then any character, then o.
> 
> With Gnus on Emacs you can run general IMAP queries:
> 
>   Example: C-u G G ON "17-Aug-2011" RET imap RET
>   Other keywords: SUBJECT TO FROM BEFORE SINCE
>   See: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1730#section-6.4.4
> 
> Cheers,

Hellow Loris!

Wow thanks for using Gnus^^^

Next time i will try it, thanks!


Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea

Re: Need some advice please.

[황병희]

2023-05-05 (금), 03:37 +0200, zithro:
> On 05 May 2023 03:12, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
> > Usually i do backup into Google Drive (with only very important
> > files).
> > So if system is crash, i go to re-install entire after format.
> 
> I hope you encrypt your data, and you have a good internet connection
> !
> The easiest and fastest way to backup is on DVD/USB/external drive,
> so 
> that you can restore offline.
> (Ok ok, some internet connections are faster than a DVD/USB/ext drive
> !)
> If on USB/external drive, preferably format the drive so it can be
> read 
> on multiple OS. So prefer FAT32/exFAT, and avoid ext4, ZFS, NTFS,
> APFS, etc.
> 
> Follow the "3-2-1 rule" :
> 
> "The 3-2-1 rule [...] states that there should be at least *3 copies*
> of 
> the data, stored on *2 different types of storage* media, and *one
> copy 
> should be kept offsite*, in a remote location (this can include cloud
> storage)"
> 
> Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backup
> 

Thanks zithro!

Sincerely, Byung-Hee (Debian Bullseye user)

Re: Email bodies not show anymore in Evolution Email

[황병희]

2023-05-04 (목), 18:21 +, Jim Popovitch:
> On May 4, 2023 6:13:04 PM UTC, Cindy Sue Causey <
> butterflyby...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > The security involvement appears to be that one current fix is to
> > downgrade which "leaves the user with an unpatched version of
> > WebKit".
> > 
> > Cindy :)
> 
> While that wasn't my intention when I wrote it, I'm happy to see the
> rush of attention that got this issue resolved for everyone. 
> Excellent job Debian team! 
> 

Also i resolved, thanks!

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

Re: OT git question

[황병희]

Hellow Ash,

Ash Joubert  writes:

> On 07/06/2022 20:01, 황병희 wrote:
>> ===> Correction: git pull origin karma
>
> This means fetch commits from the "karma" branch/tag on repository
> "origin" and incorporate them into the current local branch with a
> merge or rebase. See the man page for git-pull for a detailed
> explanation and ascii art. Pro Git has more on remote branches 
> <https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Branching-Remote-Branches>.

Wow thanks for explain! Now i did understand.

> Kind regards,
>

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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Re: OT git question

[황병희]

황병희  writes:

> ...
> - git pull -b karma

Ack! my mistake!!! I am very sorry!!!

===> Correction: git pull origin karma

Sorry again john and IL!

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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OT git question

[황병희]

Hellow Debian,

For days, i have been working with git.
And today i have very simple question.
Because it is very confused...

I need somebody's clearing.

What is different both commands:

- git pull
- git pull -b karma

Thanks in advance!

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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Re: Debian desktop environment

[황병희]

Hellow Махно ,

Махно  writes:

> Hello. Just use i3. It is a tiling window manager designed for X11,
> inspired by wmii and written in C.[5] It supports tiling, stacking,
> and tabbing layouts, which it handles dynamically. Configuration is
> achieved via plain text file and extending i3 is possible using its
> Unix domain socket and JSON based IPC interface from many programming
> languages. More info here:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/i3

Wow thanks for reply and good guidance!

Unfortuantely, Chromebook does not offer X11. So i cannot try to
i3 with my Chromebook. However if i get other device, by chance, i will
try to i3, someday far later ^^^

And thanks again for kind reply ^^^

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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Re: Debian desktop environment

[황병희]

Hellow didier,

didier gaumet  writes:

> (... thanks ...)
> In fact you did not install Debian on your Chromebook but you enabled
> Debian inside Chrome OS on your Chromebook(1), right?  In this case
> Debian runs in a Chrome OS container not on the hardware? Your
> screenshot seems to show a Chrome OS interface...
>
> (1) https://chromeos.dev/en/linux

Yes, you are right:


And i like Chromebook and Debian/Ubuntu ^^^

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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Re: Debian desktop environment

[황병희]

Antonino Saetta  writes:

> (... thanks ...)
> I thought that Debian is GNOME by default...
>
> Also, what's the lightest desktop? Default, XFCE or LXDE...?

Hellow, i am beginner with Debian. I install Debian 11 Bullseye on
Chromebook. But there is no Gnome desktop. I just launch each Linux app
such as Emacs, Gimp, etc., when i need it.

You see my screenshot:


Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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Re: setting path for root after "sudo su" and "sudo" for Debian Bullseye (11)

[황병희]

Tom Browder  writes:

> I need a special path setting for root after both "sudo" and "sudo
> su." (...)

Just you try like as "sudo su -". Sometimes i use it that way. 

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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Re: Permanent email address?

[황병희]

rhkra...@gmail.com writes:

> Thanks to all who replied!
>
> I'll need to think over what I want to do.

That is true. Email stuff is not easy always.

> I guess if I want to run a local MTA, I'd need either a static IP address 
> (along with a domain) or I'm guessing I could use one of those services (and 
> software) that lets you use a dynamic IP address (by doing something like 
> updating you if your IP address changes.

So you have mind your home server (as final inbox provider). It
is good. In that case, also you have to obtain reliable outbound
server.

If you do talk with debian mailing only, your home server is
enough. Debian mailing server is generous.

> Thanks again!

Thanks ^^^

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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Re: Permanent email address?

[황병희]

Stella Ashburne  writes:

> Excuse me, how is the original post "Permanent email address?"
> relevant to this mailing list?
>

(Maybe) it is considered a off-topic. So no problem, i think.


Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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Re: Permanent email address?

[황병희]

 writes:

> [...]
>
>> I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do, but take a look at Protonmail:
>> 
>> https://protonmail.com
>
> Quite a few things I dislike there:
>
>  - browser based
>  - end encryption and decryption in the browser
>(of all things!)
>

+1; Me too!
So Protonmail should offer IMAP/SMTP for free like as Gmail.


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Re: [SOLVED] Re: One-user system.

[황병희]

Charlie Gibbs  writes:

> (... thanks ...)
> If Microsoft disappeared in its entirety, I'd buy a case of
> champagne and invite my friends over for a _major_ celebration.
> ...

That's a great idea!

> I'm 71, and started my programming career in 1970, five
> years before Microsoft existed.  The machine at my first
> job had a whopping 16K of memory.  We were a service
> bureau, running things like payroll and accounts
> receivable for companies all over town who couldn't
> afford a computer of their own (i.e. most of them).
>
> So when someone tells me how many gigabytes of memory
> I'd need to do a job, I take it with a _very_ large
> grain of salt.
>
> We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the
> impossible for the ungrateful.  We have done so much,
> for so long, with so little, we are now qualified
> to do anything with nothing.”
>   -- Konstantin Josef Jireček
>

Thanks!

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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Re: email lacks sender address

[황병희]

Dear Greg,

Greg Wooledge  writes:

> (... thanks ...)
> unicorn:~$ apt-cache show ssmtp
> [...]
> Description-en: extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mail hub
>  A secure, effective and simple way of getting mail off a system to your
>  mail hub. It contains no suid-binaries or other dangerous things - no mail
>  spool to poke around in, and no daemons running in the background. Mail is
>  simply forwarded to the configured mailhost. Extremely easy configuration.
>
> The entire point of this package is that it's meant to be used on a
> "dumb client" which does not wish to have its own outgoing mail queue.
> Instead, it forwards all of your mail to your "smart host" -- the MTA
> that has been set up for your organization's dumb clients to use.
>
> So, the single piece of information you need in order to use ssmtp is
> the hostname of your smart host.  Also known as your mail relay.  Or many
> other names.  It's where you want your outgoing mail to be handled.
>

Thanks for your time and your life!

Really i love sSMTP so much!!!

Thanks again ^^^

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Re: email lacks sender address

[황병희]

Haines Brown  writes:

> (... thanks ...)
> Thanks for the suggestion, but I have same problem with ssmtp as I 
> do with swaks: what does "test-server.example.net" refer to?

Sorry i don't know that <>.

> Sorry for my ignorance. 

Don't worry! Always email stuff are not easy, i think...


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Re: email lacks sender address

[황병희]

Dear Jim,

Jim Popovitch  writes:

> On Mon, 2022-04-25 at 10:16 +0900, 황병희 wrote:
>> Haines Brown  writes:
>> 
>> > (... thanks ...)
>> > 521 5.5.1 Protocol error (154.24 ms)
>> > Unverified address
>> > 
>> > I reconfigured exim4 and it has no problem.
>> > 
>> 
>> Or you try with sSMTP, very easy!
>
>
> sSMTP doesn't support or retry multiple servers, and it doesn't respect
> nsswitch.conf settings.

Thanks for guidance ^^^

> -Jim P.

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Re: email lacks sender address

[황병희]

Haines Brown  writes:

> (... thanks ...)
> 521 5.5.1 Protocol error (154.24 ms)
> Unverified address
>
> I reconfigured exim4 and it has no problem.
>

Or you try with sSMTP, very easy!

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Re: OT EU-based Cloud Service

[황병희]

Dear Andy,

Andy Smith  writes:

> Hello,
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 03:22:04PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
>> i did get one server located in Frankfurt, Germany. At there i did
>> install Postfix under Debian 11 Bullseye. The name is
>> <>. Opening ports are 25, 587 and 2525. The
>> role is outbound only.
>
> Do be aware that the netblocks of many cheap cloud services have
> poor reputation for sending email to the big players (Google,
> Microsoft, Yahoo! etc). At the very least do ensure you have reverse
> DNS, SPF, DKIM and DMARC sorted out. I see you've been doing that,
> but I just wanted to stress the importance of getting this right,
> especially if you are sending from a neighbourhood that costs ~$5/mo
> to be in.
>
>> All incoming emails goes to Gmail(soyeo...@gmail.com) by
>> forwarding.
>
> If you end up receiving spam and forwarding it in to your gmail
> account you are going to have a very bad time.
>
> You may like to join the mailop mailing list to learn about other
> mail server best practices, although it is really geared towards
> larger scale commercial email operators as opposed to the hobbyist
> or personal hoster.
>
> https://www.mailop.org/
>
> Cheers,
> Andy

Thank you for your time and your kind advice! And i respect all here
Debian hackers more than mailop users. Even if it is about mail server
things...


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Re: OT EU-based Cloud Service

[황병희]

(... sorry for late ...)

Byung-Hee HWANG  writes:

> Hellow Debian!
>
> I'm Linux fan from South Korea. Very much i like Linux / OpenSource
> stuff. And for the first time in my life, i have to plan to try install
> mail server for outbond.
>
> For setup outbond server, i'll use Postfix and Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. That is
> mandotary. And i'm looking for good place. Particular, Amazon-EC2-like
> Service. Possibly i want to EU-based Cloud service. There is my personal
> reason for EU-based thing.
>
> Very long time i did googling for searching EU-based Cloud Service. But
> i did fail. So i ask here Debian users. Because here Debian users looks
> like to know good place, EU-based Cloud.
>
> Actually i'm willing to pay about 5€ for the my plan.
>
> Please recommand it, and any comments welcome ^^^
>
> [^^^] EU: European Union

After all, i did get one server located in Frankfurt, Germany. At there
i did install Postfix under Debian 11 Bullseye. The name is
<>. Opening ports are 25, 587 and 2525. The role is
outbound only.

Plus inbound server is at Oregon, USA (Google Compute Engine --
f1-micro). All incoming emails goes to Gmail(soyeo...@gmail.com) by
forwarding.

And i did apply to MTA-STS (RFC8461):


Actually, just i wish to setup my email servers. It is my hope in life!

Full setup conf files here:


Thanks to all comments here Debian Professional ^^^
Special thanks to Rimuhosting staffs and Alex ^^^

Sincerely, Linux and Gnus fan Byung-Hee from South Korea

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Re: disable IPv6 debian

[황병희]

> What's the good way to disable IPv6 in a debian system?

Well i don't know debian system. However i'm using Debian 11.

If that is about mail system Postfix, you check this parameter:

#+begin_src text
inet_protocols = ipv4
#+end_src

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Re: random usernames in attempts to break in to my machine?

[황병희]

 writes:

> On Tue, Apr 05, 2022 at 08:09:10AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
>> tomas writes:
>> > The only credible action left is to decide while the SMTP transaction
>> > is in process, and to terminate it early. Then, the upstream MTA will
>> > notice that something went wrong.
>> 
>> > Most MTAs these days support this option.
>> 
>> Too late. Note the part about POP3. The upstream MTA is Pobox or
>> Gandi. They have already completed the SMTP transaction with the sender.
>> Any anti-spam efforts involving SMTP termination are in their hands.
>
> That's why I run my own MTA :)

INDEED! I agree with you tomas ^^^

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Re: random usernames in attempts to break in to my machine?

[황병희]

> NOTES: all risk is your responsiblity ;;;

Please take tomas' message: (better way)
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/04/msg00128.html

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Re: random usernames in attempts to break in to my machine?

[황병희]

Joe Pfeiffer  writes:

> This isn't really debian-specific, but I don't know a better place to
> ask...  recently, I've been having servers make a large number of
> attempts to access my mail host using what appear to be random strings
> as usernames -- it looks like this:
>
> Apr  4 03:04:30 snowball saslauthd[1179]: pam_unix(:auth): check pass; user 
> unknown
> Apr  4 03:04:30 snowball saslauthd[1179]: pam_unix(:auth): authentication 
> failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty= ruser= rhost=
> Apr  4 03:04:33 snowball saslauthd[1179]: : auth failure: 
> [user=1b391vovbh@pfeifferfamily.net] [service=] [realm=] [mech=pam] 
> [reason=PAM auth error]
>
> They all have the same form: .f...@pfeifferfamily.net
>
> I'm trying to understand the point; it's not like there's any chance any
> of those usernames will be valid.  This isn't they usual attempts using
> usernames like root, admin, test1, scan...  those I understand.
>
> So, anybody have any ideas what's up here?

Hellow Joe,

#+BEGIN_SRC python
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-

import re

p = re.compile("\
[1-9]?[0-9]?[0-9]\.[0-9]?[0-9]?[0-9]\.[0-9]?[0-9]?[0-9]\.[0-9]?[0-9]?[0-9]")

FPATH = "/var/log/auth.log" # you can edit here

f = open(FPATH, "r")
data = f.read()

f.close()

result = p.findall(data) # 

if __name__ == "__main__":
print(result)
print(len(result))
#+END_SRC

It is simple python3 script, first you could gather all ipv4 from
/var/log/auth.log, and then you can control traffic by other software
such as fail2ban, i think.


NOTES: all risk is your responsiblity ;;;

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Re: WAS: Re: Monthly FAQ for debian-user mailing list. Debian as worldwide

[황병희]

> In the same way, if I give my opinion
> about German politics / independence for Catalunya - Germans and people in
> Spain and Catalunya could say ""Who is this Andy Cater and what does he know
> about anything? He should just go away and mind his own business."

Very proper example! Thanks ^^^

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Re: Monthly FAQ for debian-user mailing list

[황병희]

"Andrew M.A. Cater"  writes:

> (...thanks...)
>  Debian's community is world wide; don't
>assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a
>Debian list.

Thanks, again i'll keep in mind ^^^

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Re: installing on Lenovo Ideapad 3

[황병희]

>> Unfortunately now the install doesn't detect an Ethernet card and gives 
>> me a long list of driver choices and I will have to figure out which one 
>> this laptop needs.
>
> Maybe a binary module is missing? Did you try an "unofficial" image with
> non-free components?

+1;

Months ago, the installation was successful. At that time my laptop was
Lenovo ThinkPad E495.

Relative link is:
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

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Re: Thunderbird security

[황병희]

> Security is always a tradeoff with usability; ...

+;

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Re: mpd, clementine, lxmusic, qmmp, quodlibet not playing!

[황병희]

Dear Sharon,

Sharon Kimble  writes:
 
> After downloading and installing the new kernels yesterday I rebooted.
>
> And now I cannot get mpd to play any sound at all! Juk can play, as can
> mpv, but neither can clementine, lxmusic, qmmp, nor quodlibet play!
>
> So how can I get them all playing please? Has there been some changes
> resulting from the new kernels that affect audio output please? This is
> on a straight debian 11 install, with no debian 10 packages.

It would be to go back before kernel?! Or bug report please? 

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Re: recommend music player?

[황병희]

kaye n  writes:

> Hello Friends!
>
> I am currently using Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
>
> Can anyone recommend a good music player with an equalizer where I can choose 
> Pop, Rock, etc.

Hellow~ thanks for using Debian 11 Bullseye!

Personally my computer is chromebook. I installed Debian 11 Bullseye
inside chromebook. In that case, YouTube is very useful music player. Ok
man sorry for off-topic music player. Though YouTube is so awesome, at
least, to me ...

Sincereley, Linux fan Byung-Hee from South Korea

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Re: Wayland vs X

[황병희]

Dear Greg,

Greg Wooledge  writes:

> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:27:18PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
>> I switched from mplayer to mpv ...
>
> And I switched from Latin-1 to UTF-8.

Very much i like UTF-8 world! Thank you for using UTF-8, Greg ^^^

> (...thanks...)

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Re: Wayland vs X

[황병희]

Dear Kevin,

Kevin Exton  writes:

> I tried Wayland some years ago now (might have been when they first
> trialled it in Ubuntu) but decided not to stick with it.

Well i don't know my login desktop what it is. Always i use default
values. Currently i'm using Debian 11 Bullseye under Chromebook. That
seems not X11, maybe... And i am happy with the default values.

#+begin_src text
soyeomul@penguin:~$ lsb_release -d
Description:Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
soyeomul@penguin:~$ env | grep wayland
WAYLAND_DISPLAY_LOW_DENSITY=wayland-1
WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-0
#+end_src

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Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop?

[황병희]

Ottavio Caruso  writes:

> One of my memory slot has died, so I am running a Thinkpad with 2GB
> ram only. I have been told that, even if I put a 4GB ram module in, it
> won't be as fast as 2x2GB ram (true? Stop me here if I am
> wrong). Never mind put an 8GB stick; it might not even work.
>
> At the moment I'm running a heavily hacked LMDE4 (Buster) with a lot
> of Mint customisations off. What flavour of Debian should I replace my 
> LMDE4 with? And does it make any difference? My memory hogs are
> Chromium and Firefox, the rest is ok.

Hi, grazie!

My 1st chromebook(codename: alex)[0] have only 2GB ram. At that time
(in 2016), i did install Ubuntu 12.04 LTS via Crouton[1] at there the
chromebook. It was not bad.

So if you want Debian, Jessie (stable)[2] seems proper to you, i guess. 
(also it would be good to try xfce ho ho ho ^^^)

REFERENCE: [0-2]
[0]

[1] 
[2] 

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Re: Google smtp and pop

[황병희]

 writes:

> On Mon, Mar 07, 2022 at 12:26:19PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
>> 황병희  writes:
>> 
>> > Douglas McGarrett  writes:
>> >
>> >> [...]
>> >> I thought Chromebook was a locked OS that you could not modify or add to.
>> >> I'm not looking for a Chromebook, but I'm curious.  --doug
>> >
>> > Yes it is locked os. By the way chromebook runs on coreboot and linux
>> > kernel. So i love chromebook.  Thanks for feedback!
>> 
>> And i know FSF fans don't like this chromebook. My point is for a linux
>> developers and hackers! This article is useful: [^^^]
>> 
>> [^^^] https://usesthis.com/interviews/junio.c.hamano/
>
> Junio is a very smart and pleasant guy. Git is lucky to have such a
> maintainer. And we are all lucky to have git.
>
> But he works for Google [1]. I don't expect him to talk about Google's
> dark side. Heck, I don't expect him to even see Google's dark side.
>
> I wouldn't, in his position. We are all humans.
>
> I think the biggest mistake is to try to partition the world in Good
> and Evil. We all are a mix of both. And then some.
>
> Cheers
>
> [1] 
> https://opensource.googleblog.com/2011/03/geek-time-with-junio-c-hamano.html

Thanks for sharing such video! And thanks for comments on Good and
Evil in real life. Totally i agree with you tomás!

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Re: Google smtp and pop

[황병희]

황병희  writes:

> Douglas McGarrett  writes:
>
>> [...]
>> I thought Chromebook was a locked OS that you could not modify or add to.
>> I'm not looking for a Chromebook, but I'm curious.  --doug
>
> Yes it is locked os. By the way chromebook runs on coreboot and linux
> kernel. So i love chromebook.  Thanks for feedback!

And i know FSF fans don't like this chromebook. My point is for a linux
developers and hackers! This article is useful: [^^^]

[^^^] https://usesthis.com/interviews/junio.c.hamano/

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Re: Google smtp and pop

[황병희]

Douglas McGarrett  writes:

> [...]
> I thought Chromebook was a locked OS that you could not modify or add to.
> I'm not looking for a Chromebook, but I'm curious.  --doug

Yes it is locked os. By the way chromebook runs on coreboot and linux
kernel. So i love chromebook.  Thanks for feedback!

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Re: Google smtp and pop

[황병희]

> Yours for a Google-free world...

Well i like very much chromebook. Currently i'm using Debian 11
Bullseye under chromebook ^^^

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Re: Google smtp and pop

[황병희]

> So what suggestions does anyone have for dealing with OAUTH2 access to
> gmail?

Just i did make app password (a 16-digit passcode).

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Re: Solved

[황병희]

> And now i finished test with new ssmtp binary, thanks!

And i did file as Bug#1005970, for the record.

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Solved (Was: Re: re-build for ssmtp)

[황병희]

황병희  writes:

>> So could you please give me debian re-build guidence?
>
> Perhaps this webpage is that guidence?
>
> <https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial>

Also i read these pages:
https://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/220460/how-to-build-a-specific-package-from-a-debian-source-package

And now i finished test with new ssmtp binary, thanks!

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Re: re-build for ssmtp

[황병희]

> So could you please give me debian re-build guidence?

Perhaps this webpage is that guidence?



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re-build for ssmtp

[황병희]

Hellow Debian!

Personally i like ssmtp. And today i did make some minor change:

#+begin_src text
soyeomul@yw:~/gitlab/ssmtp$ diff -uNr ssmtp.c.orig ssmtp.c
--- ssmtp.c.orig2022-02-18 12:28:08.712922559 +0900
+++ ssmtp.c 2022-02-18 13:18:51.807480300 +0900
@@ -1606,7 +1606,7 @@
}
 
outbytes += smtp_write(sock,
-   "Received: by %s (sSMTP sendmail emulation); %s", hostname, 
arpadate);
+   "Received: by %s (sSMTP sendmail emulation, from userid %d); 
%s", hostname, getuid(), arpadate);
 
if(have_from == False) {
outbytes += smtp_write(sock, "From: %s", from);
soyeomul@yw:~/gitlab/ssmtp$ 
#+end_src

By the way, i need re-build ssmtp for test.

A few hours ago, i did try as below:

  configure; make

however the new ssmtp binary don't offer starttls by test.
So could you please give me debian re-build guidence?

FYI; i get the source code from 

Thanks in advance!

Sincerley, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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Re: Pasenme la descarga directa, por favor.

[황병희]

to...@tuxteam.de writes:

> On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 07:27:52PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Well i don't know Spanish, by the way!
>
> ...and I don't know Korean. I guess you span a much longer bridge
> between Korean and English than I could hope to span between Spanish
> and English.
>
> So my respect to you :-)
>
> Cheers

Thanks tomás! ALWAYS ^^^

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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Re: Pasenme la descarga directa, por favor.

[황병희]

Dear José,

 writes:

> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 10:16:13AM +0100, José Manuel Garrochena Boza wrote:
>> Necesito el firmware realtek rtl_nic/rt18168g.fw para poder instalar
>> kalinux 2021 net installer con mi TP-LINK USB Internet.
>
> Esto es una lista de correos para usuarios de Debian GNU/Linux. Creo que
> kalinux está por aquí:
>
>   https://forums.kali.org/
>
> Si buscas una lista de usuarios de Debian en lengua castellana, la encontrarás
> por allí:
>
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/
>
> ¡Espero que encuentres lo que buscas!

Well i don't know Spanish, by the way!

I guess you have hardware touble. In that case, i think you would be try
the latest Ubuntu distro! Also Ubuntu is Debian family like as Kali.

Ubuntu will be the best choice for hardware things!

(and thanks for guide, tomas!)

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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Re: Autostart command after network is available (usbip)

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Andy Smith  writes:

> [... long line snip ...]
> 
> https://strugglers.net/~andy/blog/2020/12/03/starting-services-only-when-the-network-is-ready-on-debiansystemd/

Thanks Andy! Added into my bookmark Firefox.

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

Re: Android apps on Debian

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John Hasler  writes:

> Is there a simple way to run Android apps under Debian such as an
> emulator?  My Starlink terminal is arriving next week and it would be
> convenient to be able to run the Starlink app.  However, I do not have
> either an IOS or an Android device.

Another way is +money. It means to buy chromebook. Chromebook itself
have android app store inside machine. Recent chromebook also support
linux app officially -- default value is Debian.

Personally i have two chromebooks. Birch(arm) and Alex(x86).

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

Re: Usenet access.

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pe...@easthope.ca writes:

> Hi,
>
> Can anyone suggest an alternative to Google Groups for access to 
> sci.electronics.repair.  I'd be happy to pay a small subscription for 
> access without tedious complications.

+ september with Gnus!

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

Re: OT: Recommendation for a new Debian laptop

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john doe  writes:

> Debians,
>
> i've been using a laptop for a fiew years now and before this laptop
> dies on me I would like to buy a new laptop.
>
> I'm thinking about two options:
> - Buying something of the shelph and installing Debian on it
> - Buying a pine64 or alike
> - Any other alternative?
>
> The only requirement is to have virtualisation available.

For now i am using ThinkPad E495. That is KVM(virt-manager)
available. CPU is AMD Ryzen. Very good with Debian 11 Bullseye.


-- System Information:
Debian Release: 11.2
  APT prefers stable-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable-security'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 5.10.0-9-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU threads)
Locale: LANG=ko_KR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=ko_KR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

Re: qmail package in bullseye

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Dan Ritter  writes:

> [...]
> In particular, Debian has the mailfront package, which is Bruce
> Guenter's qmail-compatible set of tools. From the description:
>
>   It contains complete SMTP, QMQP, QMTP, and POP3 front-ends as well as
>   an authentication module for IMAP.  The mail delivery front-ends also
>   contain internal address filtering features. 
>
>   Two SMTP back-ends are provided.  One delivers mail to qmail-queue,
>   mimicking most of the behavior of qmail-smtpd, with the addition of
>   support for SMTP AUTH.
>
> This is most likely your best path forward. 

Thanks Dan!

Sincerely, QMTP fan Byung-Hee

Re: qmail package in bullseye

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Dear Greg,

Greg Wooledge  writes:

> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 09:58:11PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
>> Hi, there is no qmail package in bullseye. what's wrong?
>
> If you wish to use qmail, the recommended way to do it is:
>
> 1) Install equivs, and use it to build the "mta-local" package.
>There's an example file for it:
>/usr/share/doc/equivs/examples/mail-transport-agent.ctl
>Read the instructions in /usr/share/doc/equivs/README.Debian .
>
> 2) Install the mta-local package (.deb file).  If you've already got a
>different Debian MTA package installed, this should remove it.  Or,
>you can use dpkg --force-depends to remove it manually, before
>installing mta-local.
>
> 3) Build and install qmail from your preferred source tree.
>
> 4) Set up the symlink from /usr/sbin/sendmail to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail
>or wherever you placed the qmail programs.
>
> 5) Set up whatever method you prefer to start qmail at boot time.
>
> The Debian packaging used to take care of those last two, but now it's
> up to us.
>
> Please note that the original qmail-smtpd is NOT good to use without
> patching or replacing.  It was written in an era when spam was only
> beginning to be a threat.  If you run qmail-smtpd on the Internet, you
> WILL become a joe-job spam bouncer, and we don't want that.
>
> If you're not up for the task of replacing qmail-smtpd, or restricting
> it solely to trusted internal LAN traffic, then please don't run qmail.
> It's not for everyone, and there are alternatives that would be a lot
> simpler to set up.

Thank you for very kind detail how-to, step-by-step. In honest, i did
want to do demonstration on QMTP with qmail. Anyway your article will
help me in the future!

Sincerely, QMTP fan Byung-Hee

Re: qmail package in bullseye

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Andy Smith  writes:

> Hello,
>
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 09:58:11PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
>> Hi, there is no qmail package in bullseye. what's wrong?
>
> It was removed from Debian in May 2020 and hasn't been in a release
> since buster:
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=961289
>
> If you still have interest, can maintain a package and can find a
> Debian Developer to sponsor uploads you may be able to reintroduce
> it.

Always i'm beginner in Debian. I was just curious about qmail
status. Thanks for information, Andy and Roberto ^^^

Sincerely, Byung-Hee 

qmail package in bullseye

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Hi, there is no qmail package in bullseye. what's wrong?
Bellow are my environments:

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 11.2
  APT prefers stable-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable-security'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 5.10.0-9-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU threads)
Locale: LANG=ko_KR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=ko_KR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

Re: why Debian?

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Thanos Katsiolis  writes:

> Hello,
>
> I am new to the Debian distribution and I would like to hear opinions
> ...

Well, i like GNU Emacs than Debian. And i also new to Debian. Before i
used Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Debian 11 Bullseye is not bad with GNU Emacs ^^^

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

Re: mail service

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deloptes  writes:

> fxkl47BF wrote:
>
>> no offense taken
>> i use expect_mkpasswd to generate passwords
>> decades ago i got tired of trying to come up with user names
>> i just use expect_mkpasswd to make a short unique name
>> today everyone is trying to glean all of the personal info they can
>> i try not give out any more than is necessary
>
> but we are still human and at least I prefer seeing a human like name and
> not some scribles, but ofcourse it is your choice how you appear in the
> public.

+1;

Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea

[Solved] (Was: Re: help new install debian via WiFi)

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Eduardo M KALINOWSKI  writes:

> On 13/09/2021 09:45, 황병희 wrote:
>> Hellow! Eduardo^^^
>> Eduardo M KALINOWSKI  writes:
>> 
>>> Try the installer with non-free firmware, pretty much all Wi-Fi cards
>>> require non-free firmware:
>>> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
>> Wow you are my hero!
>> How can i input the file into *the usb stick*?
>> With no error, i did download firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso.
>> (My file system is Chrome OS that have linux shell and commands)
>
> The same way you copied the other installed: just cp the file to the
> drive. Something like
>
> # cp firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdX
>
> Substitute sdX for the device your USB drive gets assigned. Be sure to
> use the whole drive, not a partition.

Thank you very so much all guys!
Eduardo, Stanislav, Andrei, thanks thanks thanks!

Here are the last screenshots:
http://forum.ubuntu-kr.org/viewtopic.php?f=15=31119=130056=cbfeb3d3e0982466ae84f1b6bd42255a#p130056

Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea

Re: help new install debian via WiFi

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Hellow! Eduardo^^^

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI  writes:

> Try the installer with non-free firmware, pretty much all Wi-Fi cards
> require non-free firmware: 
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

Wow you are my hero!
How can i input the file into *the usb stick*?

With no error, i did download firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso.
(My file system is Chrome OS that have linux shell and commands)

Thanks in advance,

Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea

help new install debian via WiFi

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hellow

i did buy new notebook thinkpad ryzen.
and there is samsung galaxy phone (android).
this phone is internet router of my home.

and i am writing letter another chromebook.
this chromebook have debian 11 under chrome os.
this debian 11 is easy to connect internet.
because chrome os is detecting WiFi auto with easy.

ok man again i have to say my work in progress.

i have new another notebook that is thinkpad (not chromebook).
and i have one usb stick.
i downloaded mini.iso file.
and i put mini.iso in usb stick as follow commands:

#+begin_src: sh
$ sudo cp mini.iso /dev/sda1
$ sudo sync
#+end_src

then i did try to boot with usb stick on thinkpad notebook.

and that showed well the some configs such as lang/contry/keyboard
but faild to detacting internet zone.
that did to try searching some DHCP thing all the time.
fail and fail and so on...

so i did open chromebook and Gnus.

How can i connect WiFi zone (not DHCP) at new install (Debian 11)?


Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea

Re: new to debian

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>  See here for detailed explanation:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList

I added five lines, thanks Karthik!

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

new to debian

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Hellow~

Actually i am new to Debian. Especially i did install Debian 11 Bullseye
udner Chrome OS (ARM64 MT8173 Chromebook).

Before i used Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.

My question is:
Is this canonical way?

#+BEGIN_SRC: sh
soyeomul@penguin:/etc/apt$ cat sources.list
deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main
soyeomul@penguin:/etc/apt$
#+END_SRC

That is only one line.

Thanks for any comments!

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

Re: Sid: Korean input

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> #+BEGIN_SRC: emacs lisp
> (set-fontset-font "fontset-default"
> 'hangul "Noto Sans Mono CJK KR")
> (set-input-method "korean-hangul")
> (global-set-key (kbd "") 'toggle-input-method)
> #+END_SRC
>
> I am now input Korean with above 3 lines only under GNU Emacs.

The screenshot:
http://forum.ubuntu-kr.org/download/file.php?id=15593=e9de28599b6644a2b1d827f5c9ec0bff

Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea

Re: Sid: Korean input

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황병희  writes:

> Hellow!
>
> Grzesiek  writes:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I was asked to install Korean input on XFCE4 environment. I have never
>> done this before and I do not speak Korean.
>>
>> First question is if it is possible to get Korean input using standard
>> US keyboard?
>>
>> I tried to follow this manual:
>> https://linuxreviews.org/HOWTO_get_Korean_input_on_Debian
>> Unfortunately, no luck. I added the following to .bashrc:
>> export GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus
>> export QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
>> export XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
>> but ibus-setup still asks to add these variables. ibus-daemon is not
>> started automatically. So:
>>
>> Is there any more detailed how-to? It would be perfect to have
>> switchable English and Korean input.
>>
>> How to test? Remember I do not speak Korean and I have never used
>> Korean input.
>>
>
> Sorry man Greg. There is no general way. Because there are many linux
> distro and many input method program for Korean.
>
> To me, i am using Nabi under Ubuntu 18.04 LTS currently.
>
> Though, you would be wait for 30 days. Maybe i am willing to install
> Debian 11 *Bullseye* into my new hardware (AMD Ryzen notebook).


Ah for a while i am stick aroud chromebook. So now i did install debian
11 bullseye into chromebook via linux support for chrome os. That is
easy but Korean input is not easy. And i did setup Korean input
environment by ~/.emacs.

#+BEGIN_SRC: emacs lisp
(set-fontset-font "fontset-default"
  'hangul "Noto Sans Mono CJK KR")
(set-input-method "korean-hangul")
(global-set-key (kbd "") 'toggle-input-method)
#+END_SRC

I am now input Korean with above 3 lines only under GNU Emacs.


This is my distro information on Chrome OS:
soyeomul@penguin:~$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description:Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Release:11
Codename:   bullseye
soyeomul@penguin:~$

And debian 11 runs Wayland.

Thanks (감사합니다) ^^^

Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea

Re: Sid: Korean input

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didier gaumet  writes:

> Hello,
>
> Disclaimer: I have never done this for korean but I have done it for
> chinese (I am only able to type "sun" in chinese in order to verify it
> is functional)
>
> I would not bother with under-the-hood manipulations: install the task-
> korean and task-korean-desktop packages. this will take care of needed
> fonts, input methods and all. 
>
> This will not convert the user environment to korean but instead bring
> him the possibility to display and type korean inside his english
> environment.
>
> Then your user will be able by himself to click on an applet or a menu
> option (both are present, I think) to set up how he wants to input
> korean.
>
> Feel free to disagree but I would advise you against installing Sid
> rather than Bullseye for a user who is asking you to setup his korean
> environment, though: if he is not able to do this, how could he
> administer his computer? 

Thanks for good guidence! Also i need above your guide, thanks again!

Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea

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Re: Sid: Korean input

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Hellow!

Grzesiek  writes:

> Hi there,
>
> I was asked to install Korean input on XFCE4 environment. I have never
> done this before and I do not speak Korean.
>
> First question is if it is possible to get Korean input using standard
> US keyboard?
>
> I tried to follow this manual:
> https://linuxreviews.org/HOWTO_get_Korean_input_on_Debian
> Unfortunately, no luck. I added the following to .bashrc:
> export GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus
> export QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
> export XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
> but ibus-setup still asks to add these variables. ibus-daemon is not
> started automatically. So:
>
> Is there any more detailed how-to? It would be perfect to have
> switchable English and Korean input.
>
> How to test? Remember I do not speak Korean and I have never used
> Korean input.
>

Sorry man Greg. There is no general way. Because there are many linux
distro and many input method program for Korean.

To me, i am using Nabi under Ubuntu 18.04 LTS currently.

Though, you would be wait for 30 days. Maybe i am willing to install
Debian 11 *Bullseye* into my new hardware (AMD Ryzen notebook).

Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea

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Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web

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Hellow,

Celejar  writes:

> Hi,
>
> What's the recommended modern best practice for putting a contact email
> address on the web while avoiding having it scraped by spam / fraud
> bots?

Personally i use Gmail. That is all.

Thanks for reading my thought ^^^

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

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Re: What does "Control: reassign -1 libaqbanking44" mean?

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Sven Joachim  writes:

> On 2021-03-12 02:13 -0400, Tony Rowe wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 12:36:59PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
>>> Hi i am translator Debain webpage in Korean.
>>> 
>>> At bug mailing,
>>> some user wrote in body of message [1] as below:
>>> 
>>> #+begin_src text
>>> Control: reassign -1 libaqbanking44
>>> #+end_src
>>> 
>>> In particular, i am curious the digit "-1".
>>> For long time i was thinking about that the "-1".
>>> 
>>> Is that "subtraction"? or another meaning?
>>> 
>>> Oh please really my head is stiff..
>>>
>>> [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=984980
>>  
>> Hi Byung-Hee,
>>
>> "-1" refers to making "one clone" of the bug report and is issued to 
>> the control server, usually by the packager of the package (as I 
>> understand it). [1]
>
> No, in this context it means "the bug you are replying to".
>
> https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting.html#control

Oh now i understood all meaning!
Thank you very much Sven and Tony ^^^

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

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What does "Control: reassign -1 libaqbanking44" mean?

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Hi i am translator Debain webpage in Korean.

At bug mailing,
some user wrote in body of message [1] as below:

#+begin_src text
Control: reassign -1 libaqbanking44
#+end_src

In particular, i am curious the digit "-1".
For long time i was thinking about that the "-1".

Is that "subtraction"? or another meaning?

Oh please really my head is stiff..

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=984980

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Re: How to write in Chinese

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> are you sure it's more free than fonts-wqy-* or fonts-arphic-*?

Google Noto CJK fonts were/are published under the SIL Open Font License. So
that became default fonts of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS for CJK users.

Sincerely, CJK user Byung-Hee

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Re: How to write in Chinese

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> why do you recommend "Google Noto CJK"?

Its licence is *free* totally. So that became default font of Ubuntu
18.04 LTS for CJK users. Also that is used most Google products such as
Android, Chrome OS, as far as i know.

Sincerely, CJK user Byung-Hee

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Re: How to write in Chinese

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> IMO Chinese character is more appropriate word to use than ideogram

Really i need to study more about Chinese language, thanks for advice!

Sincerely, CJK user Byung-Hee

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Re: How to write in Chinese

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Markos  writes:

> ...
> Thank you, 谢谢

Very nice!!!

Sincerely, CJK user Byung-Hee

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Re: Problem with /var/mail file > 2GB with pop3

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Dear Flo,

Flo  writes:

> Hi All,
>
> I am using Debian Buster, Thunderbird, Sendmail and popa3d to get emails.
>
> The mail files for each account are stored at /var/mail. No it has
> come to that point that such a file exceeded 2GB. And 'Get Messages'
> doesn't work anymore.
>
> Does anyone know about this issue? Any hints to solve it? I could try
> a different pop3 server?
>
> Any help is appreciated.

sorry man off-topic... so clever persons use Gmane for mailing
lists. and personal emails get by Google Apps or Gmail that have very
big file system for email messages.

Sincerely, off-topic man Byung-Hee

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Re: How to write in Chinese

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Markos  writes:

> Please,
>
> I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in
> Debian 9.
>
> ...
> Any tip?

Another comment: i would like to recommand "Google Noto CJK" as font.

Sincerely, CJK user Byung-Hee

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Re: turn off receiving email

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Dear Michael,

"Michael Morgan"  writes:

> ... not to receive email? 

Use Gmane: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmane

Sincerely, Gmane fan Byung-Hee

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Re: Replacement Email Client

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> Any suggestions?  

Surprisingly, Gnus handle very well HTML emails.

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

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