Re: 'screen' error: Must be connected to a terminal
Alan Shutko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: ii libc6 2.2.4-5GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone Works fine. Yes, the bug that Karsten is describing is a bug in libc6 2.2.4-4, specifically in ttyname() not working properly for setgid executables. Running a version of libc6 != 2.2.4-4 solves the problem. -- Adam Lazur, Cluster Monkey
Re: can't locate module tap0 (tap1,tap2,...,tap15)
Krzys Majewski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Look in /lib/modules/x.y.z/ where x.y.z is your linux kernel version. If the modules are not there, you will have to compile them from the kernel sources. (first, check if they are not included as part of the kernel). Silver Hrm no, I think the tap modules are aliases for something, and I'm wondering where to find the list of aliases. I use the tap0 stuff to do networking with user mode linux... I don't know what's requesting that interface on your computer however. On my 2.4.0-test10 box it's the ethertap module which enables tap*, though IIRC it was listed as an obsolete feature in favor of something else? Maybe not a solution to your problem, but at least a coupla more data points. .adam -- [[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [ icq #3354423 | lazur.org | clustermonkey.org ]
Re: G400, DRI, X4, and 4 million dollars
Mike Cathcart ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Well, ok, I lied, but who was going to read another boring email about the G400 and DRI? Well, enough for sensationalistic email... [ snip ] glxinfo output: [ snip ] OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 3.4 [ snip ] Looks like you're using the Mesa libs. When I got dri rocking with xf4 and a G400, I downloaded the binary of libGL from xf4 and the binary of libGLU (or something along those lines) from dri.sourceforge.net. I don't know if the xf4 libGL and libGLU are packaged for debian or not... My experience with the Matrox dri drivers is that they work alright for 3D, but hose the 2d display stuff (weird lines all over the place). So you either run X to run 3D stuff (in 16bpp no less), or you run it to do 2D stuff (and get some real work done). .adam -- [[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [ icq #3354423 | lazur.org | clustermonkey.org ]
Re: Q: Can E menu use console commands?
Jonathan Gift ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: In MWM I could pass shell commands as a menu, and I think Window Maker allowed it. Can I do it in Enlightenment? I want to use the import -root... to take a screenshot. Other uses come to mind. Why not edit ~/.enlightenment/file.menu (and the other menus it points to) ? .adam -- [[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [ icq #3354423 | lazur.org | clustermonkey.org ]
Re: XFree86 4.0.1 and Voodoo3 -- how do I test?
Thomas J. Hamman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Okay, I have the latest 2.4.0 test kernel compiled with DRI and the 3dfx driver, I have XFree86 4.0.1 running fine Now how do I even find out if I have 3D hardware acceleration working? Check out dri.sourceforge.net .adam -- [[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [ icq #3354423 | lazur.org | clustermonkey.org ]
Re: /bin/false
Flavio Alberto ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: I'm find /bin/false for intall in my Debian box? apt-get install shellutils .adam -- [[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [ icq #3354423 | lazur.org | clustermonkey.org ]
Re: IMP error: 'document contained no data'
Harald Thingelstad ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: My best guess is the php3 (and php4) security update this weekend fucked something up with horde/imp. See bugs #74892 and #74885 . A downgrade to the older php will fix your problem for now... though you go without the security fix. .adam -- [[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [ icq #3354423 | lazur.org | clustermonkey.org ]
Re: IMP error: 'document contained no data'
Matthew Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Thanks for the reply, Adam. Seeing as I'm really only a quasi-nerd :), can you tell me just how serious the security hole is? I can use Pine for my email on the server in question, but I was just about to set up IMP as the primary mail system here at work, and I obviously don't want to do that if users can't send messages or if there's a significant security hole. It's a remote root exploitable bug. The published temp fix with the (old) exploitable version is to disable error logging to avoid the format string problems. You can do this by making sure your /etc/php3/apache/php3.ini has the line: log_errors = Off It's up to you to assess if you want imp to work with the old version and no error logging (which I think is default on debian) or if it's too risky. .adam -- [[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [ icq #3354423 | lazur.org | clustermonkey.org ]
Re: crypt() woes - error in man page?
Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: i think there's an error in the man page for crypt()... usage: char *crypt(const char *key, const char *salt); [snip] char *pass1 = crypt(salt1, key); char *pass2 = crypt(salt2, key); should be: char *pass1 = crypt(key, salt1); char *pass2 = crypt(key, salt2); .adam -- [[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [ icq #3354423 | lazur.org | clustermonkey.org ]
Re: Like expr, but for floating point numbers?
Krzys Majewski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
and I take their average with awk. This gives me some floating point
number. Now I would like to compare, in a shell script, this floating
point number to some other floating point number. How do people do
this?
You could probably use awk to do it.
Anyways, here's a quick shell function that I whipped up to do simple
comparison... really, dealing with floating point in the shell is messy.
Also, this may be bash specific... I don't know if plain sh supports the $
# and % stuff.
# returns 0 if $1 $2
# returns 1 if $1 $2
# returns 2 if $1 = $2
# returns 3
cmp() {
local int_a=${1%.*}
local dec_a=${1#*.}
local int_b=${2%.*}
local dec_b=${2#*.}
[ $int_a -lt $int_b ] return 0
[ $int_b -lt $int_a ] return 1
[ $int_b -eq $int_a ] {
[ $dec_a -lt $dec_b ] return 0
[ $dec_b -lt $dec_a ] return 1
[ $dec_b -eq $dec_a ] return 2
}
return 3
}
I don't think the first -eq comparision is required, but it makes it a bit
more complete. It'll only work for decimals x.y where x and y are not
empty.
.adam
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Re: Getting CPU load (from /proc/?)
Arcady Genkin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: You could try 'vmstat 1', which will poll every second. Cool! Where could I get its source code? apt-get source procps .adam -- [[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [ icq #3354423 | lazur.org | clustermonkey.org ]
Re: system v
Manfred Kissel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: is there a tool in the debian distribution like ntsysv in red-hat which i can manage my init scripts to start and stop in different runlevels. Check out rcconf Description: Configure rc?.d/ scripts rcconf is the configuration tool of rc?.d/ directory, which is CUI interface to the update-rc.d command. .adam -- [[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [ icq #3354423 | lazur.org | clustermonkey.org ]
Re: shell program help wanted!
Emil Pedersen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: What about: i=$((i+1)) $[i+1] will also work I don't use $(( )) ever since I found $[ ] and got used to using $( ) instead of ` ` .adam -- [[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [ icq #3354423 | lazur.org | clustermonkey.org ]
Re: Switching pine to mutt - but...
Shao Zhang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: By the way, does mutt have anything similar to the pine's addressbook?? I know the alias command can do that in mutt, but I still find pine's addressbook is very usefull. Eg, if I want to send a mail to 10 people, I can just select them in pine, but in mutt, do I have to type out all of those ten people's alias? Creating a mailing list is not that usefull because I won't send mails to these ten in future, and probably it will be a different 10 people Simple Answer: hit Tab twice in the To: field inside of mutt Long Rant Answer: I think you may have to prompt for To: address, or you could probably do it in the post-edit send menu by changing the To: address, but anyway, when you get to the To: prompt in the status bar hit tab twice, this will bring up your addressbook (a list of your aliases from your alias file). When you're in there you can simply select/deselect recipients by hitting enter on their names. Hit 'q' to exit this menu, and all of the people you selected should be filled in on the To: line. HTH (YMMV on the keystrokes as I don't use the pine simulation muttrc) .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 The only 'intuitive' interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned. -Bruce Ediger, in comp.os.linux.misc, on X interfaces.
Re: NT vs Linux as web server
Peter S Galbraith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: My IT manager just EMailed me this article (CC'ed to a bunch of Directors, of course): http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/nts4rhlinux.html Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 is 2.5 times faster than Linux as a File Server and 3.7 times faster as a Web Server. I'm sure I could dig up opposing reviews. Anyone know of any? Linux Weekly News (www.lwn.com) is formulating a reply about the inconsistencies/inaccuracies of those tests (I believe the samba server was somewhat crippled among other things), not to mention that they were sponsored BY Microsoft. Check out the response on Slashdot (www.slashdot.org) for other problems. As my Probability and Statistics professor says you can make statistics say whatever you want, but it's not always accurate .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 Besides, I think Slackware sounds better than 'Microsoft,' don't you? -Patrick Volkerding
Re: NT vs Linux as web server
Adam Lazur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: ---SNIP--- Linux Weekly News (www.lwn.com) is formulating a reply about the ^ doh, make that .net -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 Besides, I think Slackware sounds better than 'Microsoft,' don't you? -Patrick Volkerding
Re: X-window client?
George Bonser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, David Bartholow wrote: I need to get to my debian 5.2 system from my There is no such thing as Debian-5.2 heh, he may mean RedCra^H^H^HHat... Windows NT workstation. Is there a free x-windows client for windows that anyone knows of? Not that I know of. The closest you can come is VNC. There is MI/X I believe, I've never used it, but it's worth a try... check out http://www.microimages.com/www/html/freestuf/mix/ .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 [ Protect privacy, boycott Intel: http://www.bigbrotherinside.org ] being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker any more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer -ESR
Re: Enlightenment .15.x for Slink
Ben Messinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Are there any E .15.x debs for Slink yet? I would hate to compile if someone has already done the work. I have kept apt pointed at http://www.debian.org/~jim/debian-gtk-gnome/gnome-stage-2; as was previously mentioned on the list, but as of yet there is only an unstable directory. Am I looking in the wrong place or just not being patient enough? (my humble respect goes out to all Debian developers - you do tremendous work.) they're located at http://www.debian.org/~bma/ I'm not at my machine right now, else I'd give you the line to add to your sources.list file for apt... there's a little trial and error about syntax with the slashes if you haven't done it before... HTH .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 [ Protect privacy, boycott Intel: http://www.bigbrotherinside.org ] Whenever the dragon's teeth of technological change are sown, we reap a whirlwind of violence. -Marshall McLuhan
Re: gnome library
Khalid EZZARAOUI ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: I have a probleme when I run a gnome application, like gnome-stones. I have this message : gnome-stones: error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libgnome.so.31: undefined symbol: poptHelpOptions Do you know, what I have to do. Wait until the gnome packages are fixed... or if you can't wait, run the stuff that's too unstable to merge with potato (unstable) in the gnome staging area by adding: deb http://www.debian.org/~jules/gnome-stage-2 unstable main to your /etc/apt/sources.list HTH .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 The only 'intuitive' interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned. -Bruce Ediger, in comp.os.linux.misc, on X interfaces.
Re: GNOME 0.99.8 debs anywhere?
Paul Nathan Puri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: The mirrors only have the new GNOME in the rpm format. Does anyone know where I can find the new GNOME release in the favorite format (i.e., deb)? Thanks... Try www.jimpick.com (or ftp.jimpick.com). It's the site maintained by the Debian GNOME maintainer. .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 Protect privacy, boycott Intel: http://www.bigbrotherinside.org -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GE d(---) s++:++ a19 C$ UL++$ P+$ L++$ E W++ N+ o++ K--- w-- O- M-- V? PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP t--- 5-- X++ R tv+ b+ DI D+ G(-) e h r++ z+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: GNOME 0.99.8 debs anywhere?
Bruno Boettcher ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Try www.jimpick.com (or ftp.jimpick.com). It's the site maintained by the Debian GNOME maintainer. maybe i searched not enough but the last deb's i found there were for the .30 version of gnome the packages I see in /pub/debian/pkgs/gnome-*/latest_i386/ are all looking to be 0.99.4 .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 Protect privacy, boycott Intel: http://www.bigbrotherinside.org
Re: pine mutt
Steve Willer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Now I use mutt and tin and am quite happy with both. Sounds like mutt wasn't too good for news either. AFAIK mutt isn't currently meant to be a news reader. There are patches to make it do news however, but they aren't incorporated into the stable (Beta) release yet (I believe they're still under development). Anyways, I started out using pine, then went to elm, and now I'm at mutt and can't complain at all. I'd suggest that if you're not into editting plain text config files however, that you don't migrate to mutt, as setting up a good .muttrc takes a little time. IMO mutt isn't a MUA for the average user, but more for the technical types. .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 The Internet is like crack for smart people -- Arsenio Hall
Off Topic: .pcf to TTF ?
Is there a util that will convert a font from .pcf to some form of TTF? 10x .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4
Re: Is it possible to scroll back and see bootup messages on console?
Thus spake Stan Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
In FreeBSD, you can hit the {Scroll Lock} button and scroll back on the
console using {Page Up and {Page Donw} keys.
Is there anything similar in Debian?
as mentioned before... I think the shift page up/down combo
works... but if it's just bootup messages you're looking for you can
type 'dmesg' at the prompt and it will spit out all the kernel bootup
stuff. HTH
.adam
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-- Benjamin Franklin
apt-get update errors?
Whenever I run apt-get update with slink stuff in my sources.list I end up getting like 20 errors similar to: Get ftp://ftp.debian.org slink/main makedev [16.1k] Error ftp://ftp.debian.org slink/main makedev 550 /debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/base/makedev_2.3.1-4.deb: not a plain file. is there something I'm missing? .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 Whenever the dragon's teeth of technological change are sown, we reap a whirlwind of violence. -Marshall McLuhan
Re: apt-get update errors?
Thus spake Adam Lazur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Whenever I run apt-get update with slink stuff in my sources.list I ^ doh, I meant apt-get upgrade after I run apt-get update .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 Whenever the dragon's teeth of technological change are sown, we reap a whirlwind of violence. -Marshall McLuhan
Re: apt-get update errors? FIXED
Thus spake Adam Lazur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Whenever I run apt-get update with slink stuff in my sources.list I ^ doh, I meant apt-get upgrade after I run apt-get update fixed it by switching my slink site to ftp1.us.debian.org .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 Whenever the dragon's teeth of technological change are sown, we reap a whirlwind of violence. -Marshall McLuhan
Re: Emacs command line option
The second point is that I don't want emacs to always use auto-fill-mode but only if it is invoked by mutt. But I noticed that the auto-fill-mode breaks always at 70 chars. Even if I try to override the value. Strange thing. here's what I have in my ~/.muttrc to accomplish the auto-fill-mode when emacs is invoked from mutt. set editor=emacs -nw %s --eval '(setq make-backup-files nil) (auto-fill-mode)' though all you really need is: set editor=emacs %s --eval '(auto-fill-mode)' HTH, .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 After all, how do you give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt when you know that if you throw it into a room with truth, you'd risk a matter/anti-matter explosion. -from N. Petreley's column, Down to the Wire, 9/96 issue of Inforworld
help with fonts in X ?
I'm failing to see how I can use a particular font in certain X applications. I installed rasterman's nexus font (available from enlightenment.org or somewhere similar) as a fixed width font and use it in my rxvts (rxvt -fn nexus) and it works fine. However, I'd like to use it in The Gimp, maybe Netscape, and elsewhere possibly later, but it *never* shows up in the list of fonts even in Netscape under fixed width fonts. Is there an entry in my XF86Config that I have to edit to get this font to be listed with the rest of the default fonts for these applications? It's already in my fontpath as rxvt finds it with no problems... I think I'm missing a fundamental X font concept somewhere .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 People disagree with me. I just ignore them. -Linus Torvalds, regarding the use of C++ for the Linux kernel.
Re: debian as secretary?
You can use a program still in development called 'spk'. It does exactly what you want, and more. It'll only work with USR voice modems though I believe. In any event, here's the URL: http://www.cs.alfred.edu/~spk/ .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 Windows 98 packs with solitare, Linux packs with DOOM. You can have your deck of cards. I'll take a chainsaw.
Hard drive woes...
The fan on my power supply recently siezed up, I have since replaced
it, but it was not working for 2 days without me noticing. This
allowed my box to get HOT, and as a result my hard drive isn't too
happy anymore... In my MS-DOS partition (have to use Visual Cafe for
work) scandisk found several bad sectors, and has since corrected
them (marked bad). I know there are bad sectors in my Linux partition,
as when I try to use man for anything I get:
Updating index cache for path `/usr/man'. Wait...
gzip: /usr/man/man1/dumpkeys.1.gz: Input/output error
and the corresponding messages in /var/log/messages are:
Sep 21 18:39:00 LazC0M kernel: hda: read_intr: status=0x59 {
DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
Sep 21 18:39:00 LazC0M kernel: hda: read_intr: error=0x40 {
UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=12253958, sector=3900158
Sep 21 18:39:00 LazC0M kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:03,
sector 3900158
I plan on scrapping this hard drive as it's progressively getting
worse, but don't have the money for a new hard drive just yet.
Is there any way to mark these sectors as 'bad' and limp it along
further?
.adam
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After all, how do you give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt when
you know that if you throw it into a room with truth, you'd risk a
matter/anti-matter explosion.
-from N. Petreley's column, Down to the Wire, 9/96 issue of
Inforworld
Re: identd
search for cidentd on the web, it makes use of a .authlie file in the user's home directory I believe . . . .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GE d(---) s++:++ a19 C$ UL++$ P+$ L++$ E W++ N+ o++ K--- w-- O- M-- V? PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP t--- 5-- X++ R tv+ b+ DI D+ G(-) e h r++ z+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: Trouble With Simple Thing.
Chris Wong wrote: Hello, I'm sorta new to Debian.. and I was wondering if anyone could help me with limiting users to their own directory. I've read docs about it, but still can't get it working. Anyone help? Thanks. I don't understand what you want to do. I believe what he's looking for is a chroot type of thing, like anonymous ftp. Where a user gets assigned his home dir and they can't play anywhere else in the filesystem. I think there's something in the passwd file to set that up, if I'm not mistaken, but then again, I could be . . . .|_az -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 Whenever the dragon's teeth of technological change are sown, we reap a whirlwind of violence. -Marshall McLuhan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: chroot in passwd? (WAS: Re: Trouble With Simple Thing.)
On Thu, Jul 30, 1998 at 02:08:00AM -0700, Chris Wong wrote: That's exactly what I want.. in ftp, I'm stuck.. I thought it would be nice so users don't get lost in the filesystem if they changed to the root dir. Quoted from http://yahanbi.snu.ac.kr/study-archive/security/8.html 5. Restricted Filesystem chroot() system call : changes a process's view of the filesystem in SVR4, if the shell field for a user in the /etc/passwd file is filled with *, then the login program will make a chroot() call on the home directory field. copy some files in the /etc, /lib, /usr/lib, /bin .. to other directory. End Quote looks like you're looking for something to that efect? -|_az -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 Whenever the dragon's teeth of technological change are sown, we reap a whirlwind of violence. -Marshall McLuhan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: changing partition size
Partition Magic is an _excellent_ program for resizing partitions. I have entrusted my disk to it on numerous occasions (and so have some of my friends) and it has never had a problem. Too bad it's a DOS/Windows program and won't resize ext2 partitions. :( Word on the street is Parition Magic 4.0 will be able to resize ext2 partitions as well as the normal PM3 DOS/Win stuff. It'll still run from DOS (possibly emu?) though. .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 After all, how do you give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt when you know that if you throw it into a room with truth, you'd risk a matter/anti-matter explosion. -from N. Petreley's column, Down to the Wire, 9/96 issue of Inforworld -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
