Re: Good tool for light photo editing?
Rick Pasotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no debian package for jpegtran libjpeg-progs -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Ever feel like you're just a figment of Myra's daydreams? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LaTeX with Emacs
Ali Nassar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am using emacs on Debian-Linux to edit LaTex files. Is there any tool in emacs to make a delimiter check? I believe M-x check-parens will do it. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Bad DM!:Put the Hand of Vecna in the bag with the rest of the artifacts! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: command to answer what's your OS
Dan Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Therefore there is no single standard command that says Debian GNU/Linux. $ echo Debian GNU/Linux -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Cynthia is mistakenly crowned King of Norway. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck
Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Despite the latency, offlineimap seemed to work OK from Brazil, so I decided to make gnus switch to using a local Maildir folder. Did you ever try using Gnus' agent support? In general, Gnus expects to control everything in its mail backends, so it's not surprising that it doesn't really sync with other maildir programs. nnmaildir tries (which is probably why it is so slow) but I don't think it's the highest on the list of priorities. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommendation for digital camera -= Shameless Nikon plug
Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 08:53:23PM -0500, Alan Shutko wrote: There's one CCD cell per image pixel, with the exception of the D1x, which has a strange layout[1]. There is no way that this can be true physically. Of course there is, since that's the way the world works. You don't think so, because you're wrong. You've managed to acquire a good theoretical understanding of Bayer while completely missing the crucial bit that you neither need nor want four adjacent photo sites per output image pixel. (A miracle of modern education.) In real cameras, each pixel gets color info that it's missing by interpolating from its neighbors. http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/Camera_System/Color_Filter_Array_01.htm Before you try to argue this point again, find one camera that works the way you suggest, or one website that explains that Bayer cameras have 4 photo sites per output pixel. Otherwise, don't confuse people who haven't learned not to listen to you yet. As an aside, the reason you don't want to have four adjacent Bayer'd CCD cells per output pixel is that the decreased CCD size would result in more noise, canceling out the benefit you would get from slightly better color resolution. The Foveon chips do have four photo sites per pixel, allowing true color detection, but they're stacked, not adjacent. As a side note, what could be interesting is if you could disable or remove the color mask to get 4 times the resolution on B/W pictures. Kodak used to offer one of their DSLRs with and without the color filter. The DCS760 was color, the DCS760M was B/W, lacking the filter. But both output the same 3032 x 2008 file (gee, looks awfully close to the resolution of the CCD, doesn't it?) and the somewhat increased luminance resolution in the b/w wasn't interesting enough for photographers to buy enough. Kodak doesn't offer them anymore. (I'm pretty sure there are monochrome digital backs, but those are an entirely different price range.) http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/cameras/dcs760/specs.jhtml?id=0.1.18.18.3.26.3.20.14lc=en http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/cameras/dcs760M/specs.jhtml?id=0.1.18.18.3.26.3.20.20.3.4lc=en http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Kodak/kodak_dcs760.asp -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Cats land on their feet, but at 10 stories, it doesn't matter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommendation for digital camera -= Shameless Nikon plug
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The real benefit to having the Windoze apps (Nikon or not) to support the camera is in being able to load camera (or film scanner) images directly into something like Photoshop without having to go through any JPEG or other compression, so that you can manipulate raw images. Note, this only matters if you have set the camera to save things as RAW format. If the camera is saving JPEGs, the software can't convert them back into RAW... info has already been lost. Why does RAW matter? It is uncompressed and has more bits than a JPEG (12 bits on my D1x) so you have more range when doing exposure adjustments and whatnot. There's a program called dcraw which will convert many forms of camera raw files into standard formats for editing. But it's not quite as good as the Nikon Capture software, because Capture makes it very easy to do common things like fix exposure and has cool toys like DEE which is basically a magic exposure fixer. Nothing you can't do without capture, but you have to work harder to get there. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Linux Unix?
John L Fjellstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was wondering if Linux can be considered Unix? I believe that Linux is pretty much compliant with the Single Unix Specification (v3) which is what you have to be to be eligible for the Unix brand. However, in common parlance, I still see people making a distinction between Unix, BSD, and Linux, even though BSD is as Unix as can be and there's more commonality between BSD, Linux and say Solaris than there is between Ultrix, SCO OpenServer, AIX and HPUX. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Oxymoron: guilty scapegoats -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommendation for digital camera -= Shameless Nikon plug
Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some cameras actually compress the raw data BTW. I think Nikon does that since nef (raw) output takes less space then tiff output. On some Nikon cameras they are compressed using a visually lossless algorithm. Some recent posts on the D1scussion group indicate that it reduces the effective bit depth from 12 bits to 9. Ick. My camera has a toggle to select compressed or uncompressed, but I don't believe the lower-end ones do. But even the uncompressed ones can be smaller than TIFFs, since they only log 12 bits per pixel, where the TIFFs are 8 bits per color per pixel. So uncompressed should be about half the size. (This is because each pixel is only R, G, or B straight from the CCD.) There is also a plugin that allows using draw to open the raw files directly in the gimp. That should rival the Nikon capture software. In terms of quality (assuming a 16bit/color gimp), yes. In terms of ease, no, since Nikon Capture has a lot of prepackaged actions which do exactly what a photographer wants to do, and the gimp doesn't. Of course, they could be added... 8^) -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Idiolocation: You are here- on any map. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommendation for digital camera -= Shameless Nikon plug
Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looks like you missed it a bit here. What you would call a pixel in the raw file is not the same as a pixel in the tiff file. Actually, it's close enough. In the raw file you have 4 ccd cells per image pixel (R, G, G, B) That's not correct for any Bayer camera I know of. Specifically not correct for the Nikon DSLRs or consumer cameras. There's one CCD cell per image pixel, with the exception of the D1x, which has a strange layout[1]. corresponding to the Bayer mask, at 12 bits per cell, which should make that 48 bits per pixel, which in turn should make the file approximately twice the size of the standard tiff (I think NEF files are actually tiff files with some undocumented extensions IIRC). Correct, NEF files use a TIFF container. As for sizes, TIFFs from the camera really are about twice the size of uncompressed RAW.[2] If you really want, I can provide pics taken in each mode. The compression option probably lets you chose between lossy and lossless compression and not uncompressed versus compressed, but its just a wild guess. The D1x allows a choice between uncompressed and compressed[2]. The D70 does not.[3] Neither allow you to choose lossiness. The above link explains the loss of detail. (You're guessing. I've got the camera.) I will have to read the code or the specs for dcraw.c (hope I got the name right) to give you an exact answer to this. See [3], where they did. There's also more info in the D1scussion archive[4] which is unfortunately available only to members. IIRC most relevant filters are already there or available, and I don't like the magic filters of 'simple user' software anyway since it usually doesn't do what I need (don't know Nikon Capture so I may be way off the mark here). Yep, you're way off. For example, NC offers: * Autoremoval of sensor dust from images, given a reference. * Fisheye-to-rectilinear with some lenses. * Vignette control, to increase or decrease vignetting. It knows the properties of the lens you used. Very cool. * Lets you adjust exposure by standard EV values * Easy highlight/shadow adjustments. Really, really easy.[5] Now, you _can_ do all of this with the gimp. But it's a more manual work. NC lets you work on thumbnails, set image settings, then batch convert. And you're limited in your plugin choice because you have to use filmgimp to get 16-bit color, to take full advantage of the extra range in the files. Or, use the RawPhoto plugin and fiddle with settings before actually converting it into 8-bit per channel, but then you're severely limited in your available modifications.[6] Footnotes: [1] http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond1x/ [2] http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond1x/page15.asp [3] http://www.majid.info/mylos/weblog/2004/05/02-1.html [4] http://www.juergenspecht.com/d1scussion/#13 [5] http://www.lonestardigital.com/digital_dee.htm [6] http://ptj.rozeta.com.pl/Soft/RawPhoto -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to write a script that recursively check files in a directory with md5sum
John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Since he specifically said he wants to use mdsum, it's clearer to use
the program he said he wants to use.
Try it and see what happens.
[19:24:27] wesley:~/tmp/t $ ls -l
total 4
-rw-r--r--1 ats ats 2344 2004-07-14 19:23 a b c d
[19:24:29] wesley:~/tmp/t $ find . -type f -exec md5sum '{}' \;
7b36fd049b94da0d04fbe0e932704e6b ./a b c d
In other words, it works fine.
The problem is that fragments of file names separated by spaces are
indistinguishable from filenames separated by spaces.
No, they aren't. -exec calls one of the exec(3) functions, which
don't need to reparse a string to determine arguments. If the
command run by -exec is a normal binary command, or a shell script
coded carefully, -exec is perfectly functional.
Piping the output to xargs is another thing, since things need be
reparsed, which is why -print0 and -0 exist in find and xargs
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Re: Cite for print-to-postscript exploit in Mozilla?
Ian Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.imc.org/ietf-822/old-archive1/msg01346.html Is probably what is being refered to... But it's not clear that there's any way for a web page to inject postscript into Mozilla's print-to-ps output. If there isn't, it's just as safe as Xprint, also assuming there's no exploit in Xprint. That message is really about sending arbitrary Postscript files through interpreters. Mozilla doesn't produce arbitrary postscript with unsafe operators, unless there's an unpublished exploit to make it do so. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Hello, Sacramento Kings Fans Suicide Hotline. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pick up a shell session after ssh timeout
LeVA [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is not a solution for the original problem. If you've read that mail, then you should know that it was about a ping timeoutted session, which is irrecoverable... The solution which you are talking about, is for *keeping* alive that session while not logged in. Right, it won't work for this time. But if one uses screen every time they log in, one will always be able to resume, whether it times out because of ping, whether the phone line gets cut, whether the client machine reboots -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Plenty of room for you, Hotshot. -Rita Longshot. My names Longshot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: personal crontab entry
Rodney D. Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been experimenting with kcron, and setting up couple of personal cron jobs, but I can't seem to find where kcron saves this info to. /var/spool/cron/crontabs, probably. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Up yer shaft! -- Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla/Firefox PostScript/default security problems
Michael B Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Printing through xprint is considerably nicer. When xprint can finally query CUPS for all the information about my printer, specifically resolution and paper sizes, I'll grant you this. Until then, I have to dive into circa 1985 config file hell telling xprint everything about my printer just so that I can have output which is just as good (on the stuff I print) as it was with direct postscript out. Here's some documentation. It's a little out dated and not specific to Debian. I suspect Debian should be considerably easier. If it's not the package isn't setup properly. It should be a breeze. Of course, that guide guarantees crappy output on any printer better than 1200dpi since it doesn't go into telling Xprint what the printer is capable of. That's done in information about builtin printer fonts, DDX driver configuration information, and other stuff you will hopefully never have to look at (See also: Section 2 of Xprint Service Sample Implementation from the XFree86 documentation). -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Barney Hunting season is now *OPEN*... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: postscript-enabled mozilla package anyone?
Michael B Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If that works, the maintainer or packager should know most printers support 600dpi at this point. At the cost of breaking printers which don't support it, and still producing crappy output for 1200dpi printers, which direct Postscript worked fine on. (Really, why can't xprint just let the Postscript interpreter render images, since it can do a much better job.) I don't see why that's Xprint's fault [1]. Because CUPS has all this information, and Xprint, living in its own world where BSD lpd is the most advance printing system, requires that everything tell it all the information you could possibly want about the printer. It's also Xprint's fault because it, unlike the naive output used by everything else in the universe except WP8, resamples images, so it will look worse without significant configuration. If it requires additional setup to get a perfect printout then a bug report should be filed so that the package maintainer can learn how to create a proper deb. It's not a package maintainer problem. It's an xprint problem. Look at http://bugzilla.mozdev.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5517 . [1] the problem might be that the printing system interface (lpq, lpadmin) is not sophisticated enough to communicate information like DPI capability. Or it might be that Xprint currently can't take advantage of this information. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. I heard you had a thought once - but it died of loneliness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very strange error setting up my cups printer
* Tong* [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I switched from RH9 and installed Debian just recently. Previously my printer was working fine, now I just can't use it: Check to see where your lpq came from. You need to be using the versions in the cupsys-bsd package. From the format of the error messages, it looks like you might have an lpq from some other print server. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Oxymoron: Conventional wisdom. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla/Firefox PostScript/default security problems
Reid Priedhorsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. It was broken for some people. Fine, but Xprint is broken for me and now I can't print. I don't think it's appropriate to remove a feature until its replacement is stable and useable by everyone who could use the old feature. Personally, I don't think it's appropriate to remove a feature when its replacement is an over-engineered piece of crap which is slow, hardly bothers to interact with the rest of the OS. But that describes a lot of what the Mozilla project shovels out. Take heart, Xprint will probably start to be useful in a year or two. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. If you can't be with the one you love, kill the one they're with. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: jewel for lcd users
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It turns off any monitor that supports APM. It's cool, but it's not just for LCD users. And typically, it works better for desktop systems (crt or lcd) than for laptops. While I'm sure there are some laptops this works on, I haven't owned one. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. God save us from closed-minded idiots. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla/Firefox PostScript/default security problems
Brad Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am, I was told that mozilla no longer supports direct printing, and the lack of postscript wasn't a bug and they closed my bugreport. Incidentally, it appears the upstream Linux builds still have direct PS support. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Sign on bank: FREE BOTTLE OF CHIVAS WITH EVERY MILLION- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: postscript-enabled mozilla package anyone?
Brad Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mozilla has dropped support for direct printing; Actually, it looks like only the Debian package has dropped support for it. And that only at the request of one person, who is the same person who closed your bug. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Behind every successful man is an exhausted woman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How hard would this be?(Learning LaTex)
Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have read some academic papers where I could not tell which program was used to compose them until I inspected the source. That's usually caused by scientists screwing up the LaTeX to match uglification requirements for submission. I've never seen a Word document match a good LaTeX or TeX document, because Word doesn't have as good a layout algorithm. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. You must be drunk! Why, there's two of you! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Love to know why people are calling it a new thing. Everything I've read about the spatial nautilus being a departure from how GUI computing has been done only reminds me of how I've been doing it for the past several years in Win95-Win2k and OS/2. Only more than 10 years now. This is new? To whom? Well, they claim that anyone who bases their understanding on Win95 is completely wrong, since real spatial is different. But they neglect that the Mac and Amiga have had real spatial for almost 20 years. Ignore them... they'll learn what we learned long ago, they'll just be annoying until they do. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. My wife treats me like a god. I get a burnt offering every meal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please advise me...
Patrick Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, IBM's might keep value RELATIVELY better than OTHER laptops, but it hardly makes them a good investment that keeps it's value. In at least one way, Thinkpads keep their value better than other laptops. My A20p is almost 4 years old and going strong. Other laptops my wife and I have had start falling apart (literally) after a year and a half. They just aren't built well enough. Of course, Thinkpads cost more, but for me, downtime waiting to get laptops repaired or installing new ones is even more expensive. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. He's Squirrel food. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Console only box?
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok, let's take a non-trivial case. http://www.slashdot.org/ Actually, I read slashdot with lynx more than any other browser these days. Including comments. Now, those webboards like http://www.tivocommunity.com are much more difficult to read in Lynx than slashdot. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. SOCCER PLAYERS have better ball control. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CUPS + FireFox: printing with a2ps
Magnus Therning [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't say I am very happy with the printing support in Firefox. It does find CUPS and XPrint printers (or maybe it's XPrint that finds the CUPS printers), but what I'd really like is to print two pages on each side (ala 'a2ps -2'). Anyone who knows how I can achieve that? Cups can do that by itself, if you pass -o number-up=2 to lp. I'm not sure how to do that within firefox, though, since I don't use firefox on Linux. Installing a tool like gpr might be helpful to make selecting print options sane for all programs. A bit of google looks like you can change the command used to print in Print-Properties. So you might look there. 3. Configure XPrint. (This piece of software is a mystery to me. Looked for info but found very little in the way of configuration information.) Using XPrint is the problem, not the solution. It makes configuration of simple cases vastly more complex than they need to be, completely refuses to interoperate intelligently with anything smarter than BSD lpd forcing you to configure things in multiple places, and in the default configuration actually reduces print quality. With enough work you can make XPrint work, but with enough you can also dig holes with an ethernet card. Doesn't mean it's a good idea. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. There is water on Mars, we've seen canals --Dan Quayle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CUPS + FireFox: printing with a2ps
Magnus Therning [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, my experience is that it interfaces well with CUPS (automatically finds all CUPS printers, if you only want a few to be visible you are in for a configuration treat) and print quality is good. It may automatically find all CUPS printers, but it doesn't pull the resolution, paper sizes (including default) or other options CUPS printers supports. I suspect it isn't quite querying CUPS at all but just looking at the autogenerated printcap, but I never checked. So it really has the same functionality that it could (and probably does have) with original BSD lpd. As far as quality, XPrint assumed my printer was 600 DPI (or was it 300DPI?), which it wasn't. And thus was degrading quality of images and text. Most noticably images, since it also seemed to convert them to b/w itself rather than just let the printer handle it, which does a much, much better job. Sure, if I liked pain, I could go and edit fifteen million tiny files to tell XPrint all about my printer because it's too stupid to ask CUPS, which let me drop in a PPD file from HP detailing everything. But I'd like to have some semblance of a life. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. PUNNY BOOK = Big Fart!: Hugh Jass. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - trivial programming language
s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the other hand, much of the time emacs does not know what to do with Python code (when in python mode, that is), since part of the This is surely a deficiency in emacs' python mode? The mind-reading interface is not yet completed. A sufficiently intelligent python mode could presumably constrain indentation to whichever indentation levels could be valid, but there could be any number of levels. Since python blocks are based on indentation, you could have the option of closing five or more blocks. You would think that with access to the code in the shell, perl, or python interpreter, emacs shell, perl, and python modes would do as well as the shell, perl or python interpreters. You'd have to port the parser to Emacs lisp, then modify it to do syntax annotation instead of code generation. Some work is being done on that with semantic for various things like Java... could be extended to those modes. On the other hand, I don't think there's anyone in the world who really wants to dig into the perl interpreter and try to duplicate it. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Sign at nursery: Come to me my melon-cauliflower baby. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Detecting EOF
Simon Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am trying to detect that a file has stopped copying via FTP. As an example: User sending a file via FTP (100MB), cron job to test if the file has completed and then launch a command to do something with that file. You could just keep checking the file size to see if it stops increasing, but you probably don't want to run your process if the FTP times out and the file is incomplete, and you don't want to accidently trigger if it pauses too long. I suggest the ftp file is ftp'd up with a temporary filename and then renamed to the real file. (FTP supports renames.) Then, just watch for the real filename. Once it appears, you know that the transfer has completed successfully. (Conveniently, renames are instantaneous, so you can't catch _that_ in the middle.) -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: c++ hello world help
Harshwardhan Nagaonkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Maybe I should buy new textbooks and spend more instead of using cheaper, used textbooks :) For C++, that's a very, very good idea since the language changed significantly during standardization. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Just send my paycheck to MasterCard or VISA. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Debian Users: Please boycott Paypal
Katipo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think I heard at one stage that they were owned by Amazon, of 'one click' patent fame. I do not believe that was ever the case. It's not the case now. (They're owned by eBay.) -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. When in doubt, lead trump. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packages in GNU but not in Debian
Dan Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here is a simpleminded listing of packages in the GNU directory but not in Debian yet. That's a bit too simpleminded. Many/most of those _are_ in Debian, but with slightly different names. (Like, well, glibc.) Others don't apply. (Like djgpp.) I'm not sure your list is very useful. Maybe you could go through and trim out the ones in Debian under slightly different names? -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: emacs and xresources
John L Fjellstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I noticed that for emacs, it is started with this command line: /usr/bin/emacs21 Emacs uses the name of the executable (or the --name option) for the top-level resource. So for the emacs21 case, you'd need emacs21*font:... This allows you to have different configurations for different needs. Or, you can apply resources for all Emacs instances with Emacs*font:... -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. That's not my department says Werner von Braun -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ext2 to reiserfs conversion
Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: from what I know, you can not. That is to say, that you can not do it without backing up or transferring you data. Actually, you might be able to. Look at http://tzukanov.narod.ru/convertfs/index.html I haven't tried it, but it claims to work. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Is it OK to listen to my AM radio after noon? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which package to pipe to gz automatically?
Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: lesspipe in my head as the way I set this up, but I'm not apt-caching up anything that looks encouraging. Yep, that's it. Just put eval `lesspipe` in your .bashrc. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. I control the world's supply of dairy products! TV's Frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla firefox en-gb
Michael Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not much to be honest, but it makes me cringe everytime I see a colour without a 'u' (note I expectly wrote that sentence so it never said color -- D'oh!!) So, you must hate green and violet, but love chartreuse and purple, right? -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fn key disabled after updated to new kernel
Zhaojun Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After many experiments I found that the Fn key works only if I install the APM module and disabled ACPI in the new kernel. I wonder if the problem of Fn key is a issue related with APM ACPI? Yes, it is. Under APM, the BIOS handles all that stuff, including watching for magic keypresses. Under APM, it's all handled by Linux userspace tools, which have to be configured to look for those keys. How to do if I wanna make the Fn Key working as what I want under ACPI? Dunno specifics. I'd suggest hitting google hard. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. CONCORDE: Goes twice as fast as a bullet, and you get smoked salmon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Can't find on Google: How can I determine path to binary in gcc?
Number Six [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the canonical way to determine *my* application's truepath in Posix? There is no way which works 100% of the time. The best you can do is try to work most of the time, and the coreutils heuristic you posted is the way that seems to work best. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CUPS
Adam Funk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sunday 21 March 2004 00:50, Alan Shutko wrote: If you have only the CUPS lp and lpr clients, the only difference is the option syntax. I thought CUPS itself didn't provide those commands, which you get by installing lpr|lprng|cupsys-bsd? Sorry. The CUPS upstream provides those commands, but the lpr and lpc commands are packaged in the debian package cupsys-bsd. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. The belly will not listen to advice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CUPS
Adam Funk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the difference between lp and lpr (other than the option syntax)? I think I had a bad /etc/printcap until I ran magicfilterconfig, so I don't think lp would have worked. If you have only the CUPS lp and lpr clients, the only difference is the option syntax. They don't use the printcap at all. The cups server can generate a fake printcap so that applications which look at it to determine which printers are available work. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. When we say 'hike out', we mean *HIKE* *OUT*. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CUPS
Pigeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 07:55:00AM +, Adam Funk wrote: In my experience, just installing cupsys-bsd didn't make lpr work (output just disappeared). Me too. Did you folks have some other lpr command installed as well? (I don't see how, I believe they conflict.) If lp works, I can't think of any reason the cups lpr wouldn't work. I've never had to do anything additional to get cupsys-bsd's lpr to work... it talks to CUPS directly, just like lp. Unless you mean having other machines use the lpr protocol to talk to a CUPS server -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Anagram - Conversation / voices rant on. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: static ip to dhcp conversion -- getting a hostname
Marty Landman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Besides the problem of breaking things that work, isn't this also a
potential security issue?
Yes. Broken scripts can break.
Checking against hostname has never been exceptionally secure.
It includes a provision for hard coding the domain it is installed
to, which the script compares at run time against the
$ENV{HTTP_REFERER}. If these don't match the email won't be sent.
You realize that someone could just send a different referer header?
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Re: static ip to dhcp conversion -- getting a hostname
John Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am using dhcp3-client to pull the ip number and other assorted information. However, I can't get a hostname returned from the dhcp server. It may not be sending one, since most clients don't care what their hostname is. Use a script to use the host command to pull the name associated with the IP and put it in any config files which need it, and restart any services which need to be restarted. (Applications generally don't care what the hostname is, so you won't be killing user apps.) This is really a fairly common setup. As I mentioned, Windows and Mac don't generally really care what the hostname associated with their IP is. Few applications care. So DHCP servers just hand out IPs, and most apps which need a hostname can do the reverse lookup. Unix is different in that it generally assumes a hardcoded hostname somewhere. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. If I were a landing thruster, where would I be? --Ambassador Londo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: static ip to dhcp conversion -- getting a hostname
Marty Landman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alan, I'm working on a rewrite now and am concerned with properly doing things. Could you please advise on how to best prevent this type of exploit, given that a check of referer against a hard-coded hostname is not so good? You'll have to stop getting the email address from the form. Sure, it makes it easier. Unfortunately, it makes it easier for spammers, too. A few ideas: * Hardcode the destination address in the script * Hardcode multiple addresses in the script, and have a token in the form specify which address to mail to. For example, if the form says address=FOO, you look it up $addresses[FOO] to get [EMAIL PROTECTED]. * Just discontinue the script, and have people use formmail. That way, the security burden is on someone else (admittedly, someone who's proven themselves incapable of fixing security problems). Sure, all of these make it harder to use, but the only way to stop spammers is to restrict the addresses they send to. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM Nitroglycerin on keys -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: static ip to dhcp conversion -- getting a hostname
Marty Landman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Hardcode multiple addresses in the script, and have a token in the
form specify which address to mail to. For example, if the form
says address=FOO, you look it up $addresses[FOO] to get
[EMAIL PROTECTED].
What's the advantage here? Security through obscurity?
The reason formmail became so popular was that you could use one form
on the server from different pages sending to different people.
Specifying a token in the form which maps to an address in the script
allows this. It's not security through obscurity, it's security.
Someone from the outside can only use the script to send emails to
the addresses that are specified in the script -- no others.
* Just discontinue the script, and have people use formmail. That
way, the security burden is on someone else
Heh, you think the situation's really that bad huh Alan?
Google for formmail security and look at the insane list of
problems, and the list of programs which have sprung up to try to fix
the problems. Why add another to the list?
BTW, how do server side ENV vars get spoofed?
$ENV{HTTP_REFERER} is set by the HTTP server to be the value the
client specifies in the Referer: header. The client is able to send
no value, or any arbitrary value. So it's just like the user agent:
not to be trusted.
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Re: emms
Stephen Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You do realise that linux was written to provide hardware and filesystem drivers for emacs don't you? That's why I started using it. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Don't force it! Get a bigger hammer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating pdf documents under woody
A. F. Cano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The quick version: what's the best way to create pdf documents under woody (3.0 r2)? The easiest way would be to use ps2pdf, part of the gs package. You would create a postscript file from any of the packages you mentioned, then ps2pdf would turn it into a PDF. You wouldn't end up with the snazzy bookmarks and hyperlinks you would in a LaTeX document converted with a working pdflatex, but since you aren't authoring things in LaTeX and your pdflatex doesn't appear to be working, you aren't really losing anything. Woody has gs 6.53, which iirc does a pretty decent job at the conversion. Newer versions will do better in certain cases, but I think that 6.53 was pretty stable for anything except weird cases/fonts/etc. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Can't go out again until you return my straight jacket.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GCC
Mike M [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was unaware too until someone in this thread posted that stdlib.h is out and cstdlib is in. Only in C++ code that uses the C standard library. Plain C code still uses stdlib.h. A decade of C++ becomes deprecated? How can this be? A standards committee run amok. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GCC
Mike M [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: C++ seems to be steaming away in this direction. I've got my doubts that the .h is going away in C however. As far as I know, nobody has proposed that the C header files change in this way. It seems that this is going to cause more portability problems than it solves. Code written for advanced compilers will be incompatible with older compilers. This has been a problem of C++ for at least a decade. But at least it looks like it's finally getting better now that the standard is standardized and compilers catch up. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. PUNNY BOOK = Small Vegetables: Russell Sprout. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Info vs Man
Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll take a single document that I can search and eyeball-scan over multiple linked documents almost always. Example: the fetchmail man page. Yes, it's farking huge, but I can find what I need by searching on a key term. Just as a point of comparison, the fetchmail man page is 1984 lines long. The Emacs documentation is _37528_ lines long. But if you want a single file, try something like info emacs | more -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Smartmontools (Simple question)
James Tappin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the /etc/init.d script for smartmontools there is a condition that checks whether start_smartd is equal to yes. Is there a proper way to set this variable so that smartmontools starts at boot Check /etc/default/smartmontools -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Famous Last Insults - Hey DRACULA. BITE ME! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian
Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you keep /usr as a separate partition from /, then you may find your $BLOATED_PREFERRED_EDITOR isn't available. In this case, familiarity with a traditional 'Nix editor such as vi may be a very valuable skill. I still remember when it was good to know at least a bit of ed, because rescue floppies couldn't always fit vi -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: saving .debs to their original name
Dan Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps someone can resubmit http://bugs.debian.org/231776 so the strategy behind $ man apt-get --print-uris can get documented somewhere. Why? It might change, and you don't need it. apt-get --print-uris gives you the URI and the filename. Since you have both, you can either use wget's -O to put it in the right place when downloading, or rename things to the correct filename afterwards. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Velcro, super glue, duct tape, post-its, and OS/2! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Derivative effects.
Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The big problem with Corel is their relationship to SCO, who are actively trying to kill Linux as we all now know it. Of course, they won't be successful, but who wants to be in bed with the enemy. What relationship does Corel have to SCO? I remember that Corel had that big MS investment, but I don't recall them having any relationship with SCO. (Sure you aren't conflating Caldera with Corel?) The bigger problem with Corel is that their Linux development has been abandoned for years, and shows no sign of coming back. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. I don't want to play coach - we're losing.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mozillaprint freezes
Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fixed it. Profile issue. I removed the Profile(s) that were being affected... (first exporting the Bookmarks and so on), recreated them. All is good. Printing as expected. Don't worry, it'll break again. I'm getting good at removing and recreating profiles because Mozilla keeps barfing on its config files. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. This is the left,...this is the right,...centre,.surround... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Limiting daemons' RSS
Brian McGroarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: bash's inbuilt ulimit command doesn't seem to include an RSS option, ulimit -m -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Everything you say and do is a reflection of the inner you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: odd: gv *very* slow while view ps file from dvips
H. S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am compiling a latex source file(just 2 page resume) in Debian (Unstable) and when I try to magnify a certian area in the resulting ps file the new magnified widow of gv takes ages to come up. Is it faster on Debian if you do dvips -Pcmz file.dvi -o file.ps instead? I suspect RHL is defaulting to Postscript fonts, and Debian is putting large bitmaps in there, or perhaps the other way around. Take a look at the sizes of the PS files that Debian and RHL produce... if they aren't close, this is probably it. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Now everyone can see my true identity! I'm Kilroy! Kilroy! Kilroy! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unchecked 31 times
Nick Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suppose mke2fs(8) is where that comes from specifically. Easy to disable the periodic checks, though: tune2fs -i 0 -c 0 /dev/hda6 That's a very bad idea. As the manpage says: You should strongly consider the consequences of disabling mount-count-dependent checking entirely. Bad disk drives, cables, memory, and kernel bugs could all corrupt a filesystem without marking the filesystem dirty or in error. If you are using journaling on your filesystem, your filesystem will never be marked dirty, so it will not normally be checked. A filesystem error detected by the kernel will still force an fsck on the next reboot, but it may already be too late to prevent data loss at that point. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Calm waters often conceal sharks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: renaming file names beginning with -
Nick Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The -- means something along the lines of don't try to interpret anything after this as an -option or --option. A much better method is to put ./ in front of the filename, like rm ./-help ./ will work with all programs. Only some programs interpret -- as end of options. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. You put the whole project in jeopardy! I wanted to be on Wheel of Fortune! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unchecked 31 times
Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wait, wait; I'm confused. I thought one of the perks of running a journalling file system was that you can speed up the boot process by disabling boot-time fsck? It's a good thing to disable boot time fscks most of the time, because it speeds things up. (Journalling FSes can also prevent loss of data, which is why I use it.) But you don't want to disable _all_ checks, because a journaling fs won't protect you from your hard drive slowing breaking, or kernel bugs subtly messing up the filesystem, or some other problems. So it's in your best interest to wait through a long boot fsck once in a while, just in case it finds problems before they get out of hand. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Roman Catholic: The world's oldest and largest franchise. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window tabs with emacs 21.3.5
Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone knows if and how its possible to get tabs for the buffers in emacs 21.3.5 (like the window tabs with xemacs, multi-gnome-terminal, mozilla etc.)? Not quite. I think there's some emacs lisp somewhere which gives you tab-like things at the top of the buffer, but I don't remember its name nor do I remember whether it works with Emacs 21.3. People are discussing it for future support in Emacs right now, though. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Would Mozart have written rap? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Single-use root account?
Alex Malinovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can log in once, but as soon as you do the user gets locked out. (passwd -l in .bashrc) Wouldn't work, since the person has root, and can therefore unlock the password. Maybe you could add it in bash's logout script, but that could be edited as well. So any ideas on how to go about it? Is it possible to have two different users with the same UID? i.e. adduser --uid 0 --gid 0 temproot Yes. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Well baste my steaming puddings! - Blackadder Christmas Special. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
techlists [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As much as I like Wine, and use it myself for some products, I fear that the wine project may do to linux what win-os/2 did for os/2. If your system will run win32 apps, what insentive do companies have to develop native programs for you. Well, Wine has been around for what, ten years now and this hasn't happened? And in a way, it's been at roughly the same functional level for most of that time. Many apps work to some extent, some work very well, some don't work at all. (The exact apps and support keeps changing, because it's a moving target.) I don't foresee Wine ever becoming so complete that many companies will use it as an excuse not to write Linux versions. A few have tried, and have mostly failed in the market. (Games I think are the only area where it's been taken seriously.) Unless Windows stops moving, Wine isn't going to catch up. And if Windows stops moving, it can only be because we won. Note that the WineHQ's myths page disagrees with me, but 10 years and no v1.0? History weighs against their arguments. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Organ transplants are best left to the professionals -Bart Simpson/1F15 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] SCO's crack legal team
Greg Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The original image claims to be 8-bit... it's approximately 3 times the size of the gif version. That looks like it's 8 bits per color, or 24 bpp. What does identify -verbose say about it? -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. DOS Gang version...DOS.N.HOOD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
csj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you want desktop publishing on *n*x, you can use Scribus. Is it better than Quark. Most likely not. But if you want to layout your small office's newsletter it would do the job just fine. If one doesn't mind a proprietary app, Pagestream[1] is a very powerful DTP program. At one point, it could compete on a feature by feature basis with Quark, though I haven't used either for a long time. But it's an extremely mature package and I've used it in the past to great effect. Footnotes: [1] http://www.grasshopperllc.com/ -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. If Beverly was my Dr, I'd be a hypochondriac! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Searching for an editor...
Robert Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, you can change it in Emacs too, but not so easily or elegantly. Font handling is something Xemacs is actually good at. I type in Chinese sometimes, and the Chinese fonts look terrible in Emacs, but are quite acceptable in Xemacs. Ok. I've never written Chinese, and while I get some chinese spam, I wouldn't really know whether it looks good or not. 8^) Now I have a question. Does anyone know why in text mode, M- (beginning-of-buffer) and M- (end-of-buffer) don't work? They work fine in text mode in some other distros, but not in Debian or Slackware. In X, they always work in every distro (Debian and Slackware included). Hmmm... it works for me. Does it not work in console mode, or also not in xterms? I suspect that it may be related to the console keymap somehow. I don't remember changing anything on mine, but I may have. Are you running stable or unstable? What console keymap are you using? -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. 1 hour, 45 minutes, 59 seconds till closing! The best defense is to stay out of range. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Searching for an editor...
Robert Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To be more specific, Xemacs has more beautiful fonts and lets you change default font size. I don't see why you can't change the default font size in Emacs... you can change the default font, and with it the size. Is XEmacs using fontconfig these days? If not, the fonts are coming from the same place. XEmacs does seem to default to displaying more things in proportional fonts than Emacs does, though I'm not sure that's a good thing. But Emacs is also good, and of course has the advantage of working on the command line as well as in X. Well, so can XEmacs. There's no reason why you can't install both, since the commands are almost identical. Well... that depends on how well you know either. If someone is just getting into XEmacs, they'll probably be able to switch back and forth pretty easily, but I tried and the differences drove me crazy. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. 1 days, 1 hours, 2 minutes, 50 seconds till closing! Some viewers explode. Pretty simple really. -Bryce Lynch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WordPerfect8 on Debian/Sid ?
Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is _wrong_ with Corel?! Do they not see this gaping wide opportunity? They didn't exactly have good sales of WPO2k (probably because it was a buggy piece of junk) and decided it wasn't worth pursuing. And even before, they didn't have big sales of WP8. As it is, most people seem to be trying the free version, despite its bugs and limitations. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. 3 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, 27 seconds till closing! The less a statesman amounts to the more he loves a flag. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Searching for an editor...
Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I understand the point about Emacs being as graphical as anything else in a certain way, but I can't believe *you* don't understand what I meant with graphical. :-) If mouse control, menus, tool bars, images in buffers, and being built with a widget toolkit (often Xaw) doesn't qualify, you'll have to be a bit more specific. It's true that the main text area doesn't use any toolkit's standard text editing widget. That's not uncommon, I don't think OpenOffice.org does either. For that matter, Netscape doesn't really use _any_ standard toolkit, yet it's considered graphical. If the fact that it doesn't qualify as graphical is a big reason you'd avoid one of the most capable editors there are, the developers would probably like to know what they're missing so that they can address it. (And yes, as someone else mentioned, the CVS version cab be built against GTK. Hopefully, there will be a release someday) -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. It takes leather balls to play rugby. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Searching for an editor...
Scott C. Linnenbringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd say the emacs guys have run out of things to implement. Not really. There are a few branches working on longer-term things already. Also, there are a number of things already implemented in CVS that haven't been released. Why? Well, the last couple releases have been bug-fix releases, so the new features had been held off. And the pretest process to ensure the release is stable takes time, so that delayed previous releases. I don't think a prerelease has started for the latest release, yet. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. In space, it's never Miller time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 'advanced' printing
duck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I use CUPS and XPP with a Optra T610N. Feed CUPS the PPD and you're all set. I also recommend CUPS. I use it with a 2100M (just like 2100TN but no network card). Able to control it all. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Magicians do it the rite way. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] CVS diff: hard vs. soft tabs
Nori Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: now it's time to check it into CVS. Here's what I do in similar situations. Do a diff between your work file and the latest in CVS with diff -cb (or diff -ub, according to preference). The -b ignores changes in whitespace. Then get a fresh copy of the file from CVS, apply the patch with patch -l. Then fix up whatever lines are left that aren't indented right. The lines you added will need fixing, the lines you modified shouldn't. Diff also has a switch -E which is supposed to ignore tab expansion, but since you converted tabs to two spaces, I don't know how well it will work. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. EEG: Electroencephalogram, EKG: Electrocardiogram, EGG: Breakfast food -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exim4, Clamav, SA-Exim,
Kjetil Kjernsmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 07 October 2003 19:48, Alfredo Valles wrote: I was near suicide when some good guy in this list recommended me spamassissin. It's so easy to get to work and once that you train the bayesian filter bye bye to all the stupids swen mails. Yeah, that's one option. I considered it, but the problem is, if you feed the learner with tons of similar viruses, how good will it be to kill spam...? In my experience, still really, really good. I haven't been getting any additional false possitives, and I haven't been missing any more spam than normal. This is with bogofilter. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Oh what tangled webs our ancestors weave ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Do we really need to worry about viruses
Michael D Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In fact, just this week, I am engaged with a prominent software development company, and every one of the developers develops on various Linux boxen, and every one of them insists on running as root. Could you name names, so we know which imbeciles to avoid? The two Unix development houses I've worked at never did that. Of course, the parent post was wrong. Even as non-root, you have to worry about email viruses or click-thru vectors, because _they don't need root to work_. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Guns don't kill people, OS/2 salesmen do... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Do we really need to worry about viruses
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can an email virus work on *ix? How does it work on Windows? Either convince the user to click on a link, or exploit a bug in the MUA. When it has code running, scan the user's address book and mail archives, and send out lots of email. Include your own SMTP client to contact servers. None of this is restricted by root. It can also pop up a DDOS or SPAM server running as the user in a high-numbered port. If it wants root-level privileges (which none of the viruses out for Windows seem to need or care about) it can pop in a sniffer or some sort for the user's keystrokes to see if the user ever su's. And a click-thru virus (or is it really a trojan?) can only do damage to files that you have privs to touch (unless there's a bug in Java or JavaScript). Sure. So? All the files I really care about are the ones I have privilege to touch. I don't care about the OS so much... I can install it again. I do care about the documents or code I'm working on. Or my local customizations. I have a 2GB home directory on my laptop at the moment. I care more about any of that data than anything the virus can't touch. Or, at work, I have access to modify all sorts of things that I need to in the context of my job. A virus could have a lot of fun. Sure, you can mitigate the risk. Backups, CVS repositories, secondary accounts for certain things, keeping things on several machines, can all reduce the damage a virus could do. But just saying A virus can't hurt a user unless it's root is incorrect. And downplaying that it can affect any file the user can touch ignores where most of the value is in the files on an average system. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Data in Oz: If I only had a pulmonary apparatus . . . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cron
Howell Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can not make cron more granuler(sp?) then ever 5 mins. Why not? Man page says you can: cron then wakes up every minute, examining all stored crontabs, check- ing each command to see if it should be run in the current minute. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Dahmer on cooking: BABY Back Ribs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: RH and Debian brothers now?
Alex Malinovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone remember gcc 2.96? I remember there were some bugs, they were fixed pretty early in the cycle, and most of the whining was about code that would have had the exact same problems in gcc 3.0 when it was released. So people who didn't make the changes for 2.96 had to make the same ones for 3.0. (There was also the fact that the C++ ABI was incompatible, but again, that's no different from the g++ 3.x releases) -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Equation system resolver
Nicolas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a equation system resolver in debian or linux in general? Basicly, I need to resolv equation systems or simplify very long and complicated equations. Package: maxima Priority: optional Section: math Installed-Size: 12176 Maintainer: Camm Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Version: 5.9.0-11 Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.1-1), libgmp3, libncurses5 (= 5.3.20021109-1), libreadline4 (= 4.3-1), tk8.3 | wish Suggests: texmacs Filename: pool/main/m/maxima/maxima_5.9.0-11_i386.deb Size: 3939572 MD5sum: 6dd612ec1cea624a1ca6c99902383624 Description: A fairly complete computer algebra system-- base system This system MAXIMA is a COMMON LISP implementation due to William F. Schelter, and is based on the original implementation of Macsyma at MIT, as distributed by the Department of Energy. I now have permission from DOE to make derivative copies, and in particular to distribute it under the GNU public license. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Do surrealists hire non-sequituries to do their typing? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I make quality PDFs from LaTeX?
Jonathan Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to get a nice looking PDF from a latex document. I'm using the normal article class, with no other packages loaded. Can you post a short document that exhibits those problems? -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. DEATH TO GALOOB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Why does X need so much CPU power?
Neal Lippman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This does still beg the question of how Win95/98/Me/NT, etc, managed to provide a reasonable desktop when KDE/Gnome could not, however. I don't think either KDE or Gnome tries too hard at optimizing for older machines. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. I need some duct tape. My duck has a quack in it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Why does X need so much CPU power?
Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: InDesign or the equivalent (and TeX ain't it either), Well, there's Pagestream, but it's commercial. I haven't used it on Linux, but I have on other platforms and it's a nice piece of work. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Lost Carrier? That's OK, I didn't want to land anyway! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnus nnslashdot
Keith O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought that it was a component of emacs so I am a bit surprised. I am using stable only so the question is, is the stable version of Emacs too old or is there a fix for this? nnslashdot works by interpreting Slashdot's HTML, which changes on a frequent basis. Generally, to keep nnslashdot working, you need to track CVS versions of Gnus, because even Gnus releases (much more frequent than Emacs releases) are too slow to keep up. I don't know if you can drop a current nnslashdot into an old Gnus, but you could upgrade to the current released Gnus, which was released not too long ago, and may still work. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. We blow up REAL good. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Why does X need so much CPU power?
Erik Steffl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no central font management. For some time now, X seems to support what do you mean? you have font server (standalone or just use X server). how much more central can you get? BTW AFAIK there's no way to have standalone fontserver for windows. Since the font server can only deliver bitmaps to clients (even though it can read outline fonts, it rasterizes them before sending them over the wire) it isn't helpful to many programs. Any program which wants to antialias, use outlines, or send decent stuff to a printer needs its own access to fonts. Any program which wants more metrics than the X font protocol provides needs its own access to fonts. So, if you have a new font, you may need to tell OpenOffice.org about it, X about it, GS about it This is gradually getting better now that we have fontconfig, which hopefully gives all the info all apps needs, but to suggest that xfs is sufficient merely shows you haven't done much with fonts. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Bank on God for a higher rate of interest. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's called maintainability. Who says *you* are going to be the next person to touch the code? We try to hire people with a basic knowledge of the language. I can see your concern with the fifteen different ways perl can represent ifs (at least the language doesn't have COME FROM) but this is a bit excessive? Do you also wrap if bodies in a few extra layers of parentheses, in case someone comes along and wants to add a || and forgets to? -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. I'm leaking brain lubricant. - Calvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which does not negate the fact that stupid mistakes happen. The common error of... if cond bar; baz; Why is that a common error? It just looks wrong to me. Maybe I never[1] see this error because of two things: * I follow the BSD style of braces, so it's perhaps more obvious that the braces aren't there than it would be if the opening brace was on the same line as the if * I use Emacs, and I'd have to work hard to misindent like that. Maybe eventually more editors and IDEs will get decent autoindenting[2] and coping styles like this can go away. Footnotes: [1] And I mean, never... I can't remember myself getting bitten by this in the last 10 years of C. [2] As opposed to autoformatting. Eclipse will autoformat, but you have to ask for it, and I find that my cow-orkers never do. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. These guys have no future! - Butt-Head -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
Kirk Strauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree. When I was learning C, I was taught to *always* use brackets, even when they weren't necessarily, specifically to make it easier to expand: I've never understood people who are religious about that. It's the same amount of effort whether you do it when you first write the if, or when you add something to it (ie, minimal). The only difference I see is that if you _don't_ later add something to the if, you've wasted that effort. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem with omitting the braces is that people sometimes add something to the block and forget to add the braces. Wow. I've worked with some dunderheads, and not even they have done this. You've really had experience with folks like this?! -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. You came into this world a mechanoid and a mechanoid you'll always be. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A text-mode Evo (drop down menus, multiple windows) that can expand to fill large xterm windows would be sweet. If you don't need calendaring the way Evo does it, Gnus works great -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
Anders Arnholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If this happen in C, :0=G and it's possible to read, if we have the same situation in Pyhton I have to think. Also my editor doesn't support % for python, it can't autofold python and so on a loot of good things that i have in most languanges are just not there in Python. So, basically, you don't like Python because your text editor is junk. Fix it or go find a real editor! -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. My other computer is an Amiga. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
Alex Malinovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: C is easily the dominant language for most things Linux. So therein lies the question. Why, exactly, is C so popular? Especially in comparison to C++. The free software culture started much before Linux. Much free software was written to run on many different Unix systems. Historically, a C compiler was available on all of them. Even after vendors started dropping C compilers, they often included an old KR-style C compiler which was enough to bootstrap GCC. The C ABI was very stable, and you didn't need to recompile everything all the time. It wasn't too bad getting shared libraries to work on most platforms. In contrast, C++ was not available on most Unices with the base system. When it was purchased as an upgrade, it turned out that different vendors C++ compilers were often buggy and incompatible in many ways. Sure, you could require that everyone install GCC, but that was plagued with its own set of problems. In the end, you were stuck using a much decreased subset of C++ for very little benefit. Then C++ was plagued with a very long standardization process where the language changed greatly and compiler vendors had to play catchup. It's only just getting to the point where compilers fairly faithfully implement the language, and are reasonably compatible, nine years after I first saw C++. And on linux, you still have binary compatibility issues (look at how you have to use a different JVM under Mozilla depending on what compiler it was compiled with). As a consequence of this, very little free software was written with C++. It just wasn't worth the minimal gains you might get for the headaches it caused. Groff was the only app I can think of that historically used C++, and ISTR it had problems along the line. This is slowly changing, as we have Mozilla, OpenOffice.org, and KDE, but you asked for the history -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COBOL compiler
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can't say about Perl, but attempts at a Python compiler have only been partially successful, because Python is so dynamic. Common Lisp is also a very dynamic language, and can be compiled. (Some implementations are completely compiled.) AFAICT, it's just that writing a compiler is hard, and porting it to new systems also takes work, while the interpreter works everywhere. Python will probably get a compiler eventually, but it's not an easy thing. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Printers always die on page 999 of a 1000 page report -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO identifies code?
Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From what I've read on the FSF website their position is that they won't accept any submissions unless they are: a) public domain b) copyright released to the FSF Yes. But as I mentioned in my previous post, when you sign the FSF copyright assignment form, they grant back to you a perpetual, non-exclusive, irrevokable right to use the code you are assigning them for any purpose you want. My assignment is on file somewhere at home, but I suppose I could dig it up and excerpt it for you. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. I'd rather be monkeywrenching. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO identifies code?
Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not quite: it's true that they won't accept XEmacs code due to copyright issues, but I don't think it's a matter so much of XEmacs saying they won't do it, as that in the XEmacs code it's not clear who has copyright and tracking down all the people that _might_ have copyright and getting them to sign has proved too daunting for the ROI. Exactly. There have been a number of cases where things moved from XEmacs to Emacs when it was feasible to get copyright assignments, and I know a number of the main XEmacs maintainers have signed papers. It's just not always feasible to do so. And in some cases, even if it would be feasible to do so, the implementation would be so much different than the implementation in Emacs that it needs to be rewritten anyway (ie, internal redisplay stuff). -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Crow: Sven? * Tom: Ya, Ole? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody M$ dhcp
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on M$ NT, assigns the NIC a proper IP address but overwrites my resolv.conf with something like KSL\000. Take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=135711 -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Stop Me Before I Kill Again... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO identifies code?
Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This makes a lot of sense. I mean if the FSF hired you to write a GPL program, they wouldn't want you to release a proprietary version of it after you quit working for them. Believe it or not, I don't think they'd care. I haven't been hired by the FSF, but I've signed the standard copyright assignment they require to put your changes in their tree, and it explicitly grants back rights for me to do whatever I want with it, including use it commercially. (Of course, this only counts for stuff I wrote, not the rest of the app.) I believe that L. Peter Deutsch was allowed to use the Display Ghostscript code he wrote in the non-GPLed version of GS (though, I'm not sure). That was at least partly funded by the FSF. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Song Title: I Don't Know Whether To Kill Myself Or Go Bowling. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wireless recommendations
Jeremy Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 802.11b is okay, but trying to move large amounts of data (like ssh'ing mp3's around) tends to cause errors (apparently a known bug; newer drivers are a bit better about recovering from this). I've never had that problem with an Orinoco Silver and an SMC access point, so that's probably specific to the card or access point. Mine is just slow. OTOH, it's usable most of the time... if I want to shuttle gigs around or edit pictures over NFS, I plug in to 100baseT. So I'd say it's good to have both. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. I bought some powdered water, but I don't know what to add to it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Difference in quality latex printer output
Sebastian Kapfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds like the difference between the traditional Computer Modern fonts (very black, look almost bold) and CM-Super (much dimmer) or something like that. Consult a LaTeX guru to be sure :-) They're supposed to be the same... but unless you had your metafont mode set correctly, the traditional ones won't look right. Take a look at the TeXBook, Art of Computer Programming, or the LaTeX book to see how the fonts are supposed to look. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. ...I must hurry, for there they go, and I am their leader! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful
Alan Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the widespread use of CR systems would eliminate spam from the face of the earth. What do you do about spam that goes to mailing list? -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. The one good thing about repeating your mistakes is that you know when to cringe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Really stupid use of cleanlinks
Michael D. Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: # Remove dangling symlinks and empty directories from a shadow link tree # (created with lndir). What could be the purpose of this script? As described in the script and manpage, it's to fix up a shadow link tree that was created with lndir. It's not a general tool! The lndir manpage describes what the point is: The lndir program makes a shadow copy todir of a directory tree fromdir, except that the shadow is not populated with real files but instead with symbolic links pointing at the real files in the fromdir directory tree. This is usually useful for maintaining source code for different machine architectures. You create a shadow directory con- taining links to the real source, which you will have usually mounted from a remote machine. You can build in the shadow tree, and the object files will be in the shadow directory, while the source files in the shadow directory are just symlinks to the real files. This scheme has the advantage that if you update the source, you need not propagate the change to the other architectures by hand, since all source in all shadow directories are symlinks to the real thing: just cd to the shadow directory and recompile away. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. I wish you luck on your journey. Tel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gif's, the Gimp, various viewers, and Impress
Pigeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The patent's expired now... In the US. Not everywhere. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Disease is the retribution of an outraged nature. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATTN: Alan Conner
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alan, please figure out why your mail reader is not including a References or In-Followup-To header and fix it. You're making the list harder to follow. I think that's already been determined. He's using a broken mail2news gateway to receive messages and responding to them by mail. The mail2news gateway loses (or rewrites, unsure) those headers. He doesn't seem amenable to using a non-broken gateway. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Iced Tea, the house wine of the south. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
