Re: Debian and OSS vs vSphere
Basically the idea is this: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Gilles Mocellin wrote: > Le 28/02/2012 22:11, Alexey Eromenko a écrit : > >> Since here are 2 proxmox heads, let me ask: >> 1. What's the name of their WUI ? (Web GUI) "Proxmox VE web interface" is the official name. >> 2. Does it fit into Debian, by simply packaging their GUI ? (or it >> requires some incompatible changes?) According to: http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Install_Proxmox_VE_on_Debian_Lenny The package is named "proxmox-ve". But then again: (about Proxmox WUI) 1. It is not part of Debian. (they add 3rd party repo to install it on Debian, but packages are not in Debian) -- unlike OpenStack and phpvirtualbox (latter is pending review). 2. I was unable to find the source of this Web GUI. What's the license ? 3. Will it fit into Debian, assuming someone will package it ? 4. They use custom (non-Debian) kernel, but this is probably not needed, because Debian (stable) has OpenVZ kernel. All-in-all, if Proxmox WUI could be decoupled from Proxmox-the-distro, (and Debianized), it could be a good move. I'm not volunteering to package it at this time, but I do volunteer to test it. Maybe you could ask them, if they want to become a Debian Pure Blend ? (meaning they package all the stuff for Debian, adhering to the Debian Policy, and build 100% Debian-based distro, sharing testing & maintenance effort with us) -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w�KZ_3jrn38rF=matxmj9czk0dmofgdnv3apxj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian and OSS vs vSphere
Since here are 2 proxmox heads, let me ask: 1. What's the name of their WUI ? (Web GUI) 2. Does it fit into Debian, by simply packaging their GUI ? (or it requires some incompatible changes?) -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=gcb+_0w-pxtz0sy558gsz3qxcqokynsomwe5mnk2p...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian and OSS vs vSphere
Currently there is no drop-in replacement for ESX+vSphere in Debian. (which handles large servers + has some GUI) For small servers, Debian provides for "phpvirtualbox+VirtualBox" combo. This lets you manage a single server. ...Which has a nice Web GUI: http://code.google.com/p/phpvirtualbox/ For more professional Open-Source solution, it will be OpenStack + it's WUI (Dashboard) www.openstack.org This one lets you manage a cloud of servers, and includes a distributed storage solution (swift), and distributed authentication mechanism (keystone). Video: (OpenStack + it's WUI Dashboard) http://vimeo.com/20787736 Biggest problem: OpenStack documentation, which does not match the actual software currently, and it is in "testing" category. I'm working to improve it (along with fellow community members) for Debian 7.0 release. I believe, however, that Debian 7.0 will ship with both phpvirtualbox and OpenStack, tested and documented. (in early 2013) Debian 6.0 (stable) lacks those technologies. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=gmy5th4sru5n-wf-w_1h7d33lwlmmf4i364rfd2mr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Netlogo not packaged for Squeeze?
>From my (limited) experience in the Open-Source world: Usually software that has 50,000+ downloads (or users) gets packaged for Debian, provided it does not conflict with other Debian components (unlike Ubuntu Unity or SUSE Yast). This is the number of users that makes the app visible for the wider open-source community. But it depends on complexity and community around each particular project. Later for complex projects, sooner if upstream developers are Debian users. Surely Debian, being a Free Software project, welcomes you to package this piece and submit to debian-mentors list for review. Link: http://mentors.debian.net/ -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=g8heyys9grk_sq3k5q0n+-9kv8og6c4ta93lpbx53...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Truecrypt
TrueCrypt is non-free software, and as a gNewSense user you should know it. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov"
Re: Squeeze 6.0.3 -> 6.0.4 broke my Xorg
hmmm... ? First time I heard that a point update could cause it... -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=fzr+tcbcl2gxy4esdhkpqzzx7jam-2_h-bzpvoxsb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How-to blacklist a package during Debian preseed ?
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How-to blacklist a package during Debian preseed ?
Hi, I have learned a trick to blacklist a package: $ cat /etc/apt/preferences Package: Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 problem: It doesn't work during d-i "preseed/early_command" stage. (due to lack of apt) Any ideas how-to blacklist a package during Debian preseed ? -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=EjgfPQHgHuEPz2m_F=Mk7wtvBMUYVgJh=L+Lqt=_q...@mail.gmail.com
Re: vsftpd-2.3.5.deb: Can I get the debian source of 2.3.4?
Try Debian Snapshots: http://snapshot.debian.org/ -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=GU_GbBhd5D=vuxaijrqpe_j8g7s9_gji5h4e4agnh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Start a VirtualBox VM as a Service
Look at "phpvirtualbox" It lets you configure things -- configure user, and more. You also get nice Web GUI. But to to have actual display rendering (to "see") the VM, you must install non-free Oracle ext.pack, which provides RDP server for VBox. "phpvirtualbox" uses this RDP server. If you want Free solution: You must patch "phpvirtualbox" to use VirtualBox VNC server instead, which is Free Software. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=FNfGMCiJ8k=7c0xbjsmby2ltdt1ec_siy0qzusx4e...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian-Stable and KDE crashes
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:26:55 +0200, Alexey Eromenko wrote: > >> It turns out, that Debian-stable (6.0.3, both i386 and AMD64) has >> constant KDE crashes, by default. > > KDE (the whole DE) or konqueror (the browser)? Not whole KDE and not whole konqueror. Only konqueror plugin crashes. >> Due to bug in konqueror-nsplugins: >> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549309 >> >> What to do? > > In the meantime... Disable Gnash? Updating gnash? Using Adobe flasplayer? > Using another browser? I recommend disabling "gnash" in default Debian install in next squeeze update, and re-evaluate it's stability in Wheezy. Discussion here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655841 -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=GVupkW_H4=Ow-eANkK3aMY=-p25d_vBW=_8z8z1xl...@mail.gmail.com
Debian-Stable and KDE crashes
It turns out, that Debian-stable (6.0.3, both i386 and AMD64) has constant KDE crashes, by default. Due to bug in konqueror-nsplugins: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549309 What to do? I would like to up priority to critical for this package, so that it either gets fixed or dropped from Debian. At least avoid installing it by default, in the next point release. Having default KDE crashing on users is 100% unacceptable. How to up the bug priority ? -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=HeeC4W=Lk17bYkpU73ngprPP_cJaNm=G6HEdN=7xx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Upcoming stable point release
Please, if possible, exclude "konqueror-nsplugins" from the default KDE install in 6.0.4. It crashes as soon as user enters any flash-enabled website. (www.amd.com) Very ugly user experience. Especially for Debian-stable. (tried Debian 6.0.3 on AMD64 and i386) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549309 Thanks in advance, -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=EV+6EJW0Ejm+i5kMzRdrB=fp2zg4k_xinenw2duuv...@mail.gmail.com
Community Wanted ! (Debian-VirtualBox-related)
Hello, I would like to inform you, that I have developed a major new feature -- automated virtual machine installer for VirtualBox. 'vbox-unattended'. This is the first time that I develop major feature for VirtualBox ! It lets you install *any* supported virtual machine automatically in just 10 minutes, and with few clicks ! ...and of course Debian is a first-class citizen with support. This feature significantly improves the integration between Debian and VirtualBox. The problem: No one reviews my patches / my work, and it's kinda sad given the amount of work I put in development. Oracle devs are busy, and the VirtualBox community is large - but consists mostly of users, with 0.1 community developers. Therefore I asking that maybe some Debian people could help me, take a look at this feature, or at least suggest me what to do in this situation ? Why VirtualBox ? I consider VirtualBox a real master-piece of technology. It is a true revolution in the Open-Source virtualization space, in a sense, that it is the only Free solution, whom has a quality GUI, and puts the desktop user at the forefront, that's why I chosen it over KVM/Xen. Yet I believe VirtualBox flexible enough to handle many server workloads. In addition it has a great single-node management layer built-in, which makes management of the whole solution easy. I believe, that VirtualBox is our only hope for a Free Software replacement of VMware Workstation. (KVM/Xen seem more of a server products, competing with VMware ESX and Microsoft Hyper-V) Link of my work: (vbox-unattended, includes GUI + patches + documentation + research paper) https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=46798&p=211187#p211187 I hope you could take a look at it or suggest me what to do. Best wishes, -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" Debian user. VirtualBox community member. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=FGxu5S9MaCij=x659ksbmeu++fpokrl4toewnc8_g...@mail.gmail.com
Re: rootdelay=9 kernal option - why?
Do you need this only for upgrade to squeeze or to run squeeze afterwards ? I am running Squeeze (amd64) on 4 PCs here (fresh install from DVD), and no problems. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=fevzt-bc5uz583arnkcuo9g+cihqog04jbdnz47uv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Linux based forum software
PHPbb forum is the best, by far. It has colored backgrounds of alternate colors, which makes reading posts a light on my eyes plus very easy navigation. (I have low vision, but see PHPbb perfectly). Also has built-in admin panel and search bar for users. Admin control panel (ACP) takes time to get used to. But the user side of things is perfect. In other forums I need much more concentration and effort to read text and to find stuff. bonus: PHPbb is part of Debian. (+u need to install mysql-server to get it going) -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=gn1je-ga2dkac3sj309c-bcfzgvqy5oz5nkifcljv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Creating a VM in VirtualBox
I have tested the multi-distro package, and this one works fine: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.1.6/VirtualBox-4.1.6-74727-Linux_amd64.run http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.1.6/VirtualBox-4.1.6-74727-Linux_x86.run -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=GPAt7u2FwAHiFAmBuhHc=wqt+xa1uaudqc0uszdim...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Are Web-API packages need to be in the 'main' repo ?
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Camaleón wrote: ... Camaleón - we continue this discussion on debian-legal. Having Open-Source API is not enough. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=Gc5atgmDtUamuzks8=kok85qnfotuttmfgmaktqkm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Are Web-API packages need to be in the 'main' repo ?
Forwarded one relevant reply from debian-users to debian-legal. By Andrei : == > What's your opinion ? A somewhat similar case: instant messenger clients. Not long ago some of the free (as in beer) instant messaging providers made incompatible changes to their protocols. It was a pain for users as most had to upgrade pidgin and a backport was not immediately available (imagine *days* without instant messaging, what a disaster :p ). Does this mean we should remove all clients accessing non-free services (or disable the respective option if the client can also use free (as in freedom) protocols)? IMVHO, as long as its code itself is free why not ship it? It would be a big dis service to the users and would not convince the providers to change their policies (we are still too few to count). Also, as far as I know it is not forbidden to reverse-engineer a communication protocol (assuming it is not public anyway), otherwise Samba would have been in trouble lng ago. I think that making it easier for users to switch to free software (even partially, pidgin works fine also on Windows) helps more to spread the word about free software[1], than taking an extreme stance and just banish everything that might come in touch with non-freeness. [1] a lot of Firefox-on-Windows users I know actually have no idea that it is *also* free software, besides being gratis, but it is always a good example when they are ready to listen about it. Regarding your mention of the "man on deserted island" test: - all software depending on some central service would stop working anyway, even if the service was free (as in freedom) - the code of the client program could help to write a server program from scratch to communicate with fellow stranded people :D Kind regards, -- Andrei Popescu andreimpopescu /*AT*/ gmail.com == Well ... I was not aware about Pidgin case. IMO it just shows that Debian cannot support such software on an equal footing with true Free Software (such as IRC clients), where you have 'swappable' web service provider, as is the case with IRC. (this meets "man on deserted island" test) I'm not saying Pidgin is non-free, but it is dangerously close to that case, and 'contrib' seems to be more appropriate repository either for Pidgin-as-a-whole or for it's modules that have non-free web dependencies. As "Joey Hess" pointed out there is also Web-Browser's case - they have so-called 'transparent' Google integration, but lack of Google availability service doesn't destroy the core functionality of the browser in question. Example: Years ago I have worked with FireFox in high-security environments, without Internet access at all, and the program was useful, so it probably passes the "man on deserted island" test - but this example needs more thought. Pidgin (or it's modules) would fail this test. The main difference is that for web browsers, such as FFox / Chrome - Google service is a non-core functionality, while for Pidgin - instant messaging is it's core functionality, that is being lost. On the day that FFox / Chrome will start *depending* on Google web service - they too will become second class packages and should be removed from 'main'. The reason why "man on deserted island" test was developed in first place is to solve border-line problems such as this, but this topic needs more though and more examples. Andrei - there will be no dis-service by putting "Pidgin" (or it's modules) into 'contrib' - as it will still be accessible by Debian users. It is a warning note though - for people that do care about freedom and independence. Debian Repository Archive Areas Definitions: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-sections contrib area: "The contrib archive area contains supplemental packages intended to work with the Debian distribution, but which require software outside of the distribution to either build or function." This definition does not say 'non-free web services' - but points in such direction. I hope that both my "FFox" and Andrei's "Pidgin" examples are useful for our discussion. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Are Web-API packages need to be in the 'main' repo ?
> But why have they to break? Afterall, it can "break" any package. Nope. Things like the Linux kernel or OpenOffice will not just break. Even if they do -- they can be fixed, because it is Free Software. We cannot fix applications, that are dependent on non-free web services. >> It is the same as depending on a non-free library. In the future more >> packages will start depend on non-free web API, and a single change by >> non-free provider will wipe out a major chunk of Debian. It will be very >> costly then. Look what happened with xBSD family -- they were locked out >> of the market for 3 years due to legal battle, and had to rewrite major >> chunk of OS. >> So we must act before bad things happen. > > I can't make any additional comments on this because it's still unclear > to me what's the involved package(s) we are talking about and why you are > so afraid it becomes dependant on a non-free API :-? They are already dependent on non-free API. Those packages: $ cat allpackages-debian6.txt | grep -i facebooklibjifty-plugin-authentication-facebook-perl (0.9-1) Facebook authentication plugin for Jiftylibwww-facebook-api-perl (0.4.18-1) Facebook API implementationpidgin-facebookchat (1.67.1-1) Facebook Chat plugin for Pidginpython-facebook (0.svn20100209-3) Python wrappers for the Facebook APIpython2.5-facebook virtual package provided by python-facebookpython2.6-facebook virtual package provided by python-facebook Using those packages is a real time-bomb. I'm afraid that Free Software (KDE photo viewers) and browsers will start depending on such APIs. Many developers are unwary of it's risks. Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Free_Software_Guidelines debian-legal tests for DFSG compliance - "The Desert Island test" KDE 1 was dependent on non-free Qt1 library -- this was the reason of a long fight within the community. I can assure you that using non-free web APIs is *much* more risky than non-free library, and consequences will be fatal. (10 years from now it will result in huge code rewrites, wiping a big chunk of Debian, if we don't take care now) The problem -- is that those Web APIs will be massively used across alll and any FOSS applications 10 years from now - as mandatory modules, if FOSS developers not warned now. What needs to be done - is to warn users and developers about risks, to ensure they stay optional plug-ins, for users that want more convenience but want to sacrifice Freedom. The only difference is that the 'non-free library' is installed on Facebook server this time, rather than on local machine. The dependency effect is similar, and perhaps worse. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=FRckQT=q5os4d7gafbj-h4naet2hyr51yzuudtrvo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Are Web-API packages need to be in the 'main' repo ?
> And I'm not saying that this kind of things shouldn't be discussed, on the > contrary, I'd keep tracking any application that is susceptible of > changing its mind. Also, CC'ing to "debian-legal" could be a good idea. Thanks. I have contacted debian-legal. And no, acting after those web APIs break is a bad idea. It is the same as depending on a non-free library. In the future more packages will start depend on non-free web API, and a single change by non-free provider will wipe out a major chunk of Debian. It will be very costly then. Look what happened with xBSD family -- they were locked out of the market for 3 years due to legal battle, and had to rewrite major chunk of OS. So we must act before bad things happen. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=fmw-1h4d5g9ref+c8pqw-96fnxrt1u3ujkrg1tdsi...@mail.gmail.com
Are Web-API packages need to be in the 'main' repo ?
Hello Debian People ! Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) ships packages that integrate with web services (called in modern term 'Cloud Computing' or SaaS, 'Software-as-a-Service' if you will), such as the Facebook API. What if Facebook decides to close down it's APIs tomorrow ? Will Debian drop those packages from 6.0-stable release ? I'm not saying such packages must not exist in Debian. They should. But (!) those packages interface non-free web services, which is politically no different than non-free software. Technically even worse, because web-software is likely to break at any moment, change APIs, or close down free access to it, and demand either NDA contracts or fee-based licensing. Perhaps they should be moved to 'contrib' category, because they interface non-free web-services. Debian's 'main' repository seems not the right place for any such web APIs. [1] Debian project clarifies the diff. between 'main' and 'contrib' here: http://www.isotton.com/software/debian/docs/repository-howto/repository-howto.html What's your opinion ? -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOJ6w=EhP-5S-p03=8DQXTo_OUz0ygqAQzdM692zWo=1jy2...@mail.gmail.com
