Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 05:19:31PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: M. Fioretti wrote: No, sorry, the problem is a concrete, objective one: * everybody with any metered connection _pays_ real money every time these characters rerun their show It's called IMAP - the bandwidth and time to download headers is negligible, even over a dial-up. There are also multiple solutions which allow downloading just headers and deleting messages from the server over a POP connection. I've been guilty of facilitating some OT'ness since I joined the list a couple weeks ago. I have been amazed at the sheer volume of it, though, and have lately been mostly trying to stick only to on-topic things I could help with. Since joining, however, I have been referred to as a user wizard once or twice since I do things like RTFM before somebody else tells me to and have some familiarity with how to do things and also how to use command-line tools (but don't develop software or anything, so am not a real wiz.). I bring this up only to give perspective when I say that I have no idea how to set up POP to do that and could not tell you the difference between POP and IMAP, except that I think IMAP is newer and I've heard it's better in a lot of ways. Also, what about the trouble inherent in migrating to a new email address? If somebody's current provider provides only POP, should they be forced to switch to another provider just for the privilege of being on this list? From what I've seen in the past couple of weeks, a lot of the posters on here are brand new to Debian, or even to Linux! They may not know what a manpage is, let alone how to find one or how to properly search for reliable documentation online. And it's entirely possible that on top of being new to GNU/Linux, they may not know how to set up a mail client to play nice in the way you're suggesting. I appreciate that it's a good thing to know, but is it really a good idea to make it so that anyone new to the list who may have bandwidth limitations/costs has to first learn how to do that before subscribing? Especially since to actually find the documentation on this, they would probably have to use the Internet--in other words, they would have to browse a number of websites in order to find the exact information necessary (we're assuming this is a user who doesn't know where to begin, remember--but even on one website there may be several pages to go through to find the right documentation, especially on email providers' websites). Shouldn't, instead, the responsible, experienced users on the list make life that much easier on everyone else? I guess the question is exactly where the responsibility falls; personally, I'm inclined to say it falls on the frequent poster. I understand that you want to express your views, but there are less public fora that might be better, ones dedicated to such topics, in fact. So I guess basically the take-home message should just be be considerate; don't put the burden of learning how to properly ignore you on the user; take some responsibility. I don't think any public apologies are in order, just maybe thinking twice before posting. Amy P.S.: Sorry this was so long. -- Go climb a gravity well!
Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user
Hi all, I really, honestly think this thread has gone on quite long enough--it has degenerated into an argument over whether or not OT posters have taken the hint, and I really don't see that getting anywhere. So, to summarize what I think has been said so far: 1) Offtopic posts are out of control (including this thread). 2) This is a problem and needs to stop. 3) People are angry, whether because of the offtopic posts or because of other people being angry at them. 4) People have a right to express themselves. 5) BUT perhaps there are better places. There were more points on both/all sides, but to keep my inbox readable I've been deleting as I read and so can't speak to them. Anyway, I know this is presumptuous of me, but I guess I would just like to request that anyone posting to this or /any/ offtopic thread first read through the whole thread and/or any summaries of the thread and determine whether you are repeating yourself or others. At this point, I think a great many relevant points have been made and perhaps people can just take a step back, think, breathe, and then if they have something that will definitely contribute to a *discussion* rather than an *argument*, THEN post it. That way, we avoid repeating each other. Also, if people do take the time to step away from the computer for a few minutes before drafting an angry response (righteously or not; I make no claims to know who is right), I feel that this can perhaps be more productive and less inarticulately furious (anger is fine, but everyone should remember there are people on the receiving end of your messages). Sorry to sound all pious and know-it-all-y, but when people are arguing over numbers of posts, who outranks whom, and whether or not people get the point, it's time for everybody to take a break. Hoping for a resolution without bloodshed, Amy -- Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burning files to a CD with K3b
Eric A. Bonney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anyway to get K3b to allow you to write files to the CD from a network drive? In order to burn any files to a cd I first have to copy them to my local drive then copy them over. Any ideas or help? This is just a random shot in the dark that may or may not work, but have you tried using symlinks (ln -s /path/to/realfile.ogg /path/to/symlink.ogg) instead of copying the files? That may be enough to fool K3B into thinking they're local, or it might not. Anyway, that's probably not the solution you're looking for, but if worse comes to worst you could give it a shot. Good luck, Amy -- Pay toll ahead. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: keyboard tweaking without X
Tyler Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm trying to figure out if I can do without X for my regular computing needs. Most of what I do is text-based, primarily emacs, mutt, slrn. However, I find emacs in particular is easier to deal with in X, as there is better support for function keys. Stuff like xmodmap is a great tool, so I can switch caps-lock to something useful. And without X some key-chords produce garbage - anything with an arrow key is out, for a start. Erm, just noticing that even single arrow keys don't work properly - they all seem to move the cursor up, and leave behind stray letters as they go. Well, I do know that to get rid of caps lock completely and make it into a control key so that it's actually *useful*, you can edit (as root, of course) the file /etc/console-tools/remap and uncomment the sed statement found there. Beyond that, you might check out the manuals for dumpkeys(1) and loadkeys(1). You can use them to create a custom keymap. setkeycodes(8) could probably be used to assign keycodes to things that produce garbage, but I could be making that up. I hope that helps... Amy -- bug, n: A son of a glitch. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT, sorry] Re: keyboard tweaking without X
Tyler Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-05-17, Amy Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I do know that to get rid of caps lock completely and make it into a control key so that it's actually *useful*, you can edit (as root, of course) the file /etc/console-tools/remap and uncomment the sed statement found there. Beyond that, you might check out the manuals for dumpkeys(1) and loadkeys(1). You can use them to create a custom keymap. setkeycodes(8) could probably be used to assign keycodes to things that produce garbage, but I could be making that up. Thanks I'll look into that. Now that you've inadvertently put me onto w3m.el (if a lit student can do it...) Hehehe...revealing my area of study does actually tend to make people more receptive to computer-y suggestions, but *less* receptive to book suggestions! It's really weird. I just don't get the whole Oh, you're studying lit., therefore your reading level must be *far above* mine and I could never enjoy a book *you* would read thing. Not saying stuff like that (in other domains; I obviously wouldn't start talking to myself about how intimidated I was by me) is *exactly* why I was able to learn *anything* about computers, because I skipped the whole Oh, GNU/Linux is just for computer scientists. Oh, gee, I could never learn how to do this, because look who *does* know how to do it thing. I mean, I'm glad that you liked the tip(s) ( :-) ); I guess I just wish there were some way of spreading the word that (for example) Linux *is* for computer scientists, but that doesn't mean it's not also for other people, or that [whatever I'm reading at a given moment] *is* a positive contribution to the literary tradition or whatever, but that doesn't mean that my hypothetical friend the biology major couldn't enjoy it. I suppose I'm just annoyingly positive about people's abilities :-) . I've finally found a text-based browser that provides all the features I need, which drastically reduces my need for X. Well, good for you! Personally, I like X. It lets me see pretty pictures in emacs-w3m or iceweasel or whatever (though regular w3m can display images on the console). Amy -- There are three things I always forget. Names, faces -- the third I can't remember. -- Italo Svevo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (solved, THANK Amy Templeton/Julian De Marchi/Yasar Sarcan) Re: can you recommend any open source presentation tool?
Serena Cantor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Amy Templeton wrote: [...] if you have to present on a computer that hasn't yet figured out how to deal with OpenOffice, you can save your presentation as a PDF presentation and use (PDF reader of choice)'s fullscreen mode to give a presentation [...] Thanks! I'll try pdf. Cool. Just FYI, I don't mean to imply *not* to save in OpenOffice's native format--if you *just* save as PDF you may not be easily able to get back to it and alter it later on. Just something to keep in mind :-) . Amy -- Dreams are free, but there's a small charge for alterations. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
Sorry to revive this after a while of no response, but I've only just now found time *to* respond. John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amy writes: By decoders I mean things like antiword that remove all the nasty binary blobs and leave the ASCII text. Format converters. Sure. Does the new version of M$-Word include some sort of code for embedding movies now? Probably, but that's irrelevant. On what level is that even necessary or even desirable? When has that ever stopped Microsoft from adding a feature? Touché. Can I or can I not (reasonably) depend on such software's (antiword and the like) remaining legal? Yes, of course you can. Well, that is a good thing. I'm just paranoid about getting dependent on a system that may not work later. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Bannister) wrote: But if the M$ program somehow encrypts its documents so that is the only program that can read it, then I don't think *any* format converter will help you. Yeah, good point. *Sigh*. I really wish that they would just quit being evil (or at least that more people would see it)! Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amy Templeton wrote: [SNIP complaints about Blackboard Course Management Software] I've attended a few meeting at NYU involving free culture, free software and law. The nyu free culture folks wanted to replace 'blackboard' because of their software patent and such. They are now testing a replacement[0] called 'alex'. Ooh, cool. I mean, I doubt they'll switch over, but it's worth looking into. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew M.A. Cater) wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew M.A. Cater) wrote: [snip previous point about proprietary formats destroying the ability to archive documents when they go out of style] You might want to look at Jeremy Allison's blog about his problems with a friend's computer and MS Office 2007. It says more than I ever could. (Also linked from www.linuxtoday.com) That is an interesting article! It has officially been added to my arsenal. Thanks! [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Bannister) wrote: Don't bash M$ at every chance you get. No worries...I find people are more receptive if I leave their choice of OS alone. In reality, the presence of Vista should really help you if people are shown the docs which explain the dangers. Good point. I will keep this in mind. Amy -- Day of inquiry. You will be subpoenaed.
Re: configuring midnight commander for use via ssh -- problem solved
Russell L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * dulev [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070515 01:56]: After starting Edith (but not logging in locally), I have been logging into Edith via SSH from Kate. But when I execute mc over the SSH link, the two-panel mc display is corrupted. Instead of horizontal and vertical rules, I see strange characters in groups of three. What is the proper way to configure midnight commander for running over SSH? Sorry, I don't know. For me working fine (KDE/Konsole/mc -a). I found a solution: (1) Start mc on Kate: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mc (2) From the LEFT menu, select SHELL LINK and for the machine name enter edith. (3) From the RIGHT menu, select SHELL LINK and for the machine name enter edith. Now the midnight commander display is being managed by Kate, while both panes are displaying Edith. So it turns out that two SSH links are being used. This arrangement allows me to move files from one directory to another on the remote machine (Edith). Alternately, have you considered using GNU Screen? That way, if you start up mc in it and later SSH in, all you need to do is screen -r and you've got it... Amy -- My mind is making ashtrays in Dayton ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: configuring midnight commander for use via ssh -- problem solved
Russell L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Amy Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070515 11:07]: Alternately, have you considered using GNU Screen? That way, if you start up mc in it and later SSH in, all you need to do is screen -r and you've got it... Thanks for the introduction to screen, Amy. I installed screen and printed the man pages (all 47 of them). Also, I found and printed a 4-page introductory article. Yikes! Did you find the info document? That could add quite a bit more to your page count...so beware! Inasmuch as I work almost entirely in the X environment, I wonder whether screen is the best solution for my needs. I think something like a remote X-session might be a better fit, but I haven't figured out how to implement that, and I haven't yet found a good HOWTO on the subject. Unfortunately, I can't be much help there (sorry), but just googling remote x session (minus the quotes) did bring up some potentially promising items. Good luck! Amy -- Fuch's Warning: If you actually look like your passport photo, you aren't well enough to travel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can you recommend any open source presentation tool?
Serena Cantor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Which software is Linux's equivalence of M$'s PowerPoint? OpenOffice Impress is that same kind of point-and-click presentation-making tool, and if you have to present on a computer that hasn't yet figured out how to deal with OpenOffice, you can save your presentation as a PDF presentation and use (PDF reader of choice)'s fullscreen mode to give a presentation, or even save as (*shudder*) MS-Powerpoint if absolutely necessary. If you're less into the point-and-click thing, LaTeX has a markup mode called Beamer that I think is pretty awesome for creating really nice-looking PDF presentations. If you don't know what I'm talking about, don't worry about it; it's probably not worth learning a whole new way of doing things unless you're a closet keyboard-only person. Good luck with your presentation(s)! Amy -- Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Terminology
Ye gods but this thread got out of control. I would respond, but I accidentally deleted a lot of it with an overzealous delete command in gnus (I passed it a 20 instead of a 2, somehow). Nice to know people are *passionate,* at least. Amy -- I like work. It fascinates me--I can sit and look at it for hours. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05/11/07 10:33, Amy Templeton wrote: [ka-SNIP!] On a positive note, I recently did actually get through to someone (next year she plans not to use any .docs on her little area on the school website)! Great. What techniques did you use to convince her? Basically the same as always--politely requesting she send me a usable copy of the document in question and explaining what that means (I don't think I actually used the word usable), then mentioning that there are reasons not to use .docs at all (not working on other systems, forcing people into an upgrade cycle and thus helping a particularly monolithic and vicious corporation, not even showing up the same on other systems running the same, accessibility stuff, and virii and version control/privacy stuff, then giving a couple of links in case she wanted something more than my word). But then again, this particular person is I think more open to new ideas than most just in general. But yeah, a success nonetheless! Amy -- They have been at a great feast of languages, and stolen the scraps. -- William Shakespeare, Love's Labour's Lost -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05/11/07 10:33, Amy Templeton wrote: John Hassler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amy Templeton wrote: Well, sweet! So the impression I'm getting is that reverse engineering is basically protected by law? I wrote: When done for interoperability. So that means that I could use decoder programs without fearing that they may become illegal? I wrote: No. Amy Templeton wrote: Oh well. Well, in that case, I stand by my original position: I do not want to get used to depending on decoders if I can't have some degree of assurance they'll be available later. What do you mean by decoders? I assumed you meant software for breaking DRM on music and movies. If you mean software for converting documents from proprietary formats the question does not arise: there is no DRM involved. By decoders I mean things like antiword that remove all the nasty binary blobs and leave the ASCII text. Does the new version of M$-Word include some sort of code for embedding movies now? On what level is that even necessary or even desirable??? Isn't that what, say, *video* files are for??? So wait...I'm really confused. Can I or can I not (reasonably) depend on such software's (antiword and the like) remaining legal? Amy -- Do not underestimate the power of the Force. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew M.A. Cater) wrote: There is a serious point [about proprietary formats] to be made to your college. Archiving, readability, public record. I've only been dealing with computers for about 22 years: I've used what were then leading word processors - Wordstar 2000, WordPerfect 5.1 and 6.0 and Word for DOS. Niche publishing with DTP software like early FrameMaker and Ventura Publisher for GEM. rearrange Governments need reliable 30/50/100 year document retrieval, for example, and the oldest regularly consulted legal document source in England dates from 1086. /rearrange With the exception of WordPerfect - which seems still to be in vogue for American lawyers - the others are effectively gone forever. rearrange If you need a certified copy of your graduation thesis in 5 years / college records / assignments - basically anything digital which relates to your time at college - you and your college had better make sure that it's available in ASCII/PDF/OpenOffice. /rearrange Hmm...good point! ASCII is an international standard and is universal and ubiquitous: .doc is not - hence forward compatibility whereby Word docs are re-saved into the newer format but not backward compatibility to read and generate docs into/from Office 2007 format on Office 97. I definitely do encourage the use of text wherever possible (and this is also in my own interest directly, since that means I have an easier time using Emacs on it). The OpenOffice.org format is now an ISO standard, just like some variants of PDF (and possibly Adobe PostScript - though I'm not sure on this one). It's documented and will be therefore be available pretty much forever. There's enough detail in there to reconstruct it from scratch for digital archaeologists if need be. That's good news, at least. I wonder if there are any nice command-line tools (aside from installing the whole huge system) to convert OpenOffice documents to text, html, etc. [Remember kids, the Microsoft Office Student and Teacher licence you have in college expires when you graduate - please uninstall all Microsoft college licenced products and purchase full versions at $$$ cost or we'll send BSA/FAST after you :) ] See, yet another reason not to use that in the first place! Amy Templeton wrote: On a positive note, I recently did actually get through to someone (next year she plans not to use any .docs on her little area on the school website)! I'd have her hide for using .docs anyway - if the documents aren't all readable text-only (with a screen reader for the blind/visually impaired or any other appropriate technologies for those with other impairments), then she ought to consider using only plain HTML _anyway_ . No publicly available document should mandate the use of a mouse - look at the good web accessibility sites - and consider carefully the Americans with Disabilities Act (or other appropriate local legislation). Yeah, I've been trying to point web folks at accessible design sites (the college is always posturing about its commitment to accessibility), but they're in love with this horrid course management software called Blackboard that they paid a lot of money for a few years back (they keep adding more and more of the website to it, making more and more content inaccessible), which breaks all text-based browsers I've tried and even breaks various and sundry Iceweasel extensions that make it keyboard-driven. It also has tabs, making tabbing through a near-impossibility (and a lot of the rest of the site uses javascript with no HTML-only alternative...*sigh*). So the point is she doesn't really have control over this since she more or less has to use Blackboard, so it's already too late for her not to mandate mousage (fortunately, I can jump the mouse around using keybindings in stumpwm (providing I'm not ripping a backup of some of my music off of a CD or doing some other resource-intensive task), but unfortunately can't make it click from the keyboard). Fortunately, the Office of Accessibility, with whom I've done some work in the past, is willing to have student workers (among other things) download things off of these sites and make them readable/usable for people with physical handicaps. They also do things like scanning textbooks into screen-reader readable files and providing student readers for other printed course materials if they aren't available in some sort of accessible *print* format (such as large print or braille, though they're working on braille-ing things up), which is one of the main things I helped out with. Unfortunately, however, this means that there is already a good enough solution for students with physical handicaps. So yeah, that's that. Amy -- War is an equal opportunity destroyer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
John Hassler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amy Templeton wrote: Well, sweet! So the impression I'm getting is that reverse engineering is basically protected by law? When done for interoperability. So that means that I could use decoder programs without fearing that they may become illegal? No. Oh well. Well, in that case, I stand by my original position: I do not want to get used to depending on decoders if I can't have some degree of assurance they'll be available later. On a positive note, I recently did actually get through to someone (next year she plans not to use any .docs on her little area on the school website)! Amy -- I wouldn't be so paranoid if you weren't all out to get me!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Terminology [was: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)]
Calejar wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: There are those of us who believe that claims of discrimination became trite many years ago. Amy Templeton wrote: I'm inclined to disagree; it is more subtle now, but it still exists. Do some reading on the concepts of privilege and intersectionality and if you don't buy it, we can talk more then (or if you do, either way). Can you briefly explain the issues (preferably without jargon, so a laymen can understand them) or at least provide link? Certainly! Privilege tends to be an especially tough one for a lot of people, because nobody really wants to acknowledge it. Basically, it's the idea that, based upon the statuses (sociologically speaking--so race, class, gender, sexuality, religion, etc.) people hold, some people start off, by default, in a better position than others. For example, a man doesn't have to worry as much as a woman does when walking down a dark alley in the big city at night, doesn't have to overcome a stigma associated with going into scientific and technological fields (in many places, girls are implicitly and explicitly told in school that they're not as good at these things and far too many accept this analysis unquestioningly), is allowed to be upset without that time of the month jokes, etc. These are just a few examples of male privilege. Conversely, if a man cries he is in a position in which he could be thought less of by his peers--so there are some privileges men don't have, like access to certain forms of expression. Similarly, white people are well-established as in charge in, say, the corporate world. Although thanks to affirmative action there are now some (often tokenized) people of color in the upper echelons of some businesses, for the most part it is white people who gain promotions (not due to racism, but not necessarily due to differences in ability either). These are just a few examples...if you would care for more I could give you a more extensive and possibly better-written list at a later date, or point you to a citation for such a list. So, fine--this could be called a lot of things, if not for the defining aspect of privilege: not having to think about it. People in a position of privilege have the option to pretend that these things are not going on under the surface (a man doesn't have to think boy am I glad I'm less likely than a woman to get sexually assaulted walking down the street, for example). Perhaps an example of how this can be particularly damaging is that an able-bodied person doesn't have to think about the steps leading to the only door of a shop--so there is no pressure to make the shop more accessible, leaving people with certain types of physical handicaps out on the street. On a large scale, this leads to normalization of certain unwholesome practices (like not making buildings universally accessible) throughout a society, which in turn leads to marginalization of the people who don't have the option of activating that privilege and not thinking about it. Intersectionality is simpler to explain: basically, it's a refusal to examine only one aspect of identify in isolation of all others. A lot of social movements end up being single-issue; for a long time, for example, the women's movement did not acknowledge issues of race, class, and sexuality, but lately there's been a growing awareness of these issues. This single-issue problem tends to come from activations of privilege; the heterosexual, white, middle-class women dominating the movement, for example, simply did not have to think about the particular issues that women of color, queer women, lower-class women, and women with more than one of these other statuses face, and so only the problems facing middle-class heterosexual white women would get discussed and worked on. Put simplistically, it's just acknowledging that racism can't be separated from sexism can't be separated from classism can't be separated from ableism (quotes because I don't like isms, because they tend to oversimplify things) because they're products of the same systems, ultimately, and because it's the people who bear the brunt of multiple isms who are in the worst position, generally speaking. And this particular analysis doesn't really allow for too much oversimplification--after all, a lower-class, able-bodied, heterosexual white man does not have access to the resources available to a rich, able-bodied, heterosexual black woman; but then again, he still doesn't have to worry as much about being attacked on the street. So by refusing to gloss over the fact that not all white people, not all women, not all able-bodied people, are in the same position as each other, it's possible to create a more nuanced analysis of how the various systems of race, class, gender, sexuality, religion, ability, etc., interact, instead of just screaming about racism or sexism or ableism. Yes, these problems exist, but none of them are simple and they really can't
Re: BibTeX and Beamer
Kushal Kumaran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/10/07, Amy Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kushal Kumaran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/10/07, Amy Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey all,
Has anybody had success getting BibTeX (specifically apacite, but
BibTeX in general) to work with LaTeX-Beamer? If so, any
information on how to do so would be much appreciated.
It Just Works, for me. What errors are you getting?
I found no \bibstyle command---while reading file finalpres.aux
I've got \usepackage{apacite} in the preamble. I've also tried,
in addition, using the command \bibstyle{apa} and
\bibstyle{apacite}. I've also tried recompiling a couple of times
before running bibtex.
Use \bibliographystyle instead of \bibstyle.
Oh...that did it! Thank you very much.
Amy
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Re: [OT] Screen
Kelly Clowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] RE: just a literature nerd - a very impressive literature nerd, when you are more CLI oriented than someone who is a future sysadmin and is trying to become as CLI oriented as possible. ...Well, that whole thing kind of started because I just never used the mouse. In high school, when I didn't know any better and used Windows when I had to use a computer, I thought I just hated computers. It turns out that I actually just hated Windows and the basic assumptions it makes about what people want to use their computers for and how they want to go about doing that. So basically when I discovered this other way of doing things I was hooked pretty much right away because it's comparatively simple (adduser username, as opposed to searching and clicking through tons of menus to do that same thing, is a good example). Also, I pick things up fairly quickly, so learning curve isn't necessarily as much of an issue (especially since I didn't really have any old habits to break since I actively *avoided* computers instead of recognizing their usefulness as a tool before discovering Linux). I am finding wmii to be a very good mouseless wm (switched from fluxbox) for all my term and vim needs, although I suppose stumpwm must be pretty nice for a dirty emacs user ;-) Haha...definitely. Also, I use a laptop (moving dorm rooms every year makes that more practical than a desktop) computer, so titlebars are just a little much for me :-) . How long do you want to bet it takes before someone sees this thread and turns it into an Emacs vs. Vi/m war? Yikes. Ron Johnson wrote: I *knew* you weren't a Real Geek This is what I keep trying to tell people! You were born 25 years late. Perhaps for more than one reason...I feel like there's waaay too much apathy going on at present (give us iPods and we'll postpone the revolution indefinitely, it seems). There were definitely problems with some of the methods in the 60's and 70's (especially splintering of groups because of a failure to address multiple issues and be open to coalition work, plus secondary marginalization), but at least more people seemed to *care* back then. But then again, that latter might just be from talking to nostalgic, aging hippies yearning for the good old days instead of doing actual research. A female that writes lisp? I'm highly suspicious. Oh dear...whatever shall I do if my cover is blown? This will blow the lid off of the whole conspiracy to make it look like women can use Emacs and lisp! Tyler Smith wrote: Amy Templeton wrote: I'm all about that thing with the umm...trees, I think? Real world. That's the phrase), As a botanist I can relate. Even more so as a student with a thesis pending... Glad to know I'm not alone :-) . Also, I just prefer having fewer windows open. And if for some reason I have to restart X, I don't lose whatever was going on in the terminal since it just detaches instead of closing and killing whatever process is running. This has come up a few times. I don't really understand. Some experimenting is in order I think. Basically, screen can be running attached to a terminal, so you can look at it and type in it directly, or you can start it and maybe start a process inside it and then detach it. Say you boot to a console and start screen, then do an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and you find out that half your system is being updated! So, fine, you can wait and maybe do something in another screen window meanwhile...but then you want to start X, but still have easy access to what APT's doing. You detach screen, type startx, and open up an xterm and do screen -r and there's your old session! I installed stumpwm from the repos last night. It runs from a lisp REPL! It doesn't have to. There's now a makefile that'll make a binary, available in CVS. Also, it comes with a couple of scripts that start it up for you (stumpwm.sbcl and stumpwm.clisp) if you don't feel like using a binary. You have now officially blown your cover. Just waiting for the photographic proof that you are actually a crusty old AI hacker with a long beard and sandals... aha! here you are: Hahaha...wow...if I were less tired right now I would come up with a very clever response involving beardy men (what is up with that, by the way? Is it a fashion statement, or are they waiting for a computer-controlled razor? I mean, no offense to anyone but...), conspiracies, international political intrigue, maybe a computer, and a wrench and several pieces of string. I do wear sandals, though. Flip-flops, actually. They make for easy barefoot walking if I should come across some grass, since I always feel wrong walking with shoes over soft grass unless it's really, really muddy and I'm dressed nicely. Amy -- You will overcome the attacks of jealous associates. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact
Re: getting iceweasel to use gnus for MailTo:
Haines Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] While an emacs session is running, I click on a mailto: link on a web page, and nothing happens. Are you using the Emacs/emacsclient from the Debian repositories? If so, you may want to upgrade to CVS. It turns out the old version of emacsclient didn't support -e or something (because before upgrading I could never get anything to happen, but afterwards it worked fine). Just two cents... Amy -- Membership dues are not refundable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap [SOLVED]
Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 01:00:19AM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote: Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what happens when you disable your xmodmap with a us layout? Oh dear...this is disturbing...it works properly. But...but...I need to have Control where Caps Lock used to be, and I don't even touch left-Alt! If xmodmap is the culprit, I'm afraid I'm just going to have to deal with the problem. But at least, thanks to you, the source of the problem has been found. Maybe I'll go through at some point and comment out small portions at a time so I can isolate the nefarious line(s) in question. But for now, I am going to finish up the paper I'm ostensibly working on (no more distracting self with email) and go to bed. Does this mean the problem is solved? If so, then yes, its jsut a matter of figuring out what's not compatible in your xmodmap and fixing it up. Oh...the [Solved] is a holdover from the first time it got solved. It just never got removed. Sorry for the confusion. But it's solved enough for me, for the moment. Amy -- ... the flaw that makes perfection perfect. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TITLE 17 CHAPTER 12 § 1201 § 1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems (f) Reverse Engineering. (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and that have not previously been readily available to the person engaging in the circumvention, to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title. (2) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsections (a)(2) and (b), a person may develop and employ technological means to circumvent a technological measure, or to circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure, in order to enable the identification and analysis under paragraph (1), or for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, if such means are necessary to achieve such interoperability, to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title. (3) The information acquired through the acts permitted under paragraph (1), and the means permitted under paragraph (2), may be made available to others if the person referred to in paragraph (1) or (2), as the case may be, provides such information or means solely for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title or violate applicable law other than this section. (4) For purposes of this subsection, the term interoperability means the ability of computer programs to exchange information, and of such programs mutually to use the information which has been exchanged. There are aso exemptions for nonprofit libraries, archives, educational institutions, law enforcement, and encryption research. Well, sweet! So the impression I'm getting is that reverse engineering is basically protected by law? So that means that I could use decoder programs without fearing that they may become illegal??? I really should double-check the sources when I read things. Too trusting. Amy -- All phone calls are obscene. -- Karen Elizabeth Gordon
Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
mmiller3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amy == Amy Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: mmiller3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might consider printing them with openoffice and then asking them to explain the hardcopy to you. This works especially well if there are included figures. Works if you have access to an older version of office too. Especially if the software that produces the wierd hardcopy is on university machines. I appreciate the suggestion, but that's not really relevant for a couple of reasons (if I get your meaning correctly). I suspect you may have missed my meaning. I'm not suggesting that you use openoffice to read the documents you are complaining about - I'm suggesting that you use a tool that will illustrate to your nemesis that the format is not well suited for sharing documents. Ah, yes. I did completely misinterpret what you were saying. Sorry about that. Yes, that is a very good idea, and I'll look into maybe sharing info. about OpenOffice with them (though it's unlikely that most will be able to install anything on school 'puters). On the other hand, if you aren't willing to use a pointing device at all (or is it just mice?), then you may be out of luck altogether. Are you trying to convince the administration to use different data formats? Or that they aught not use a mouse? I don't care whether they use a mouse or type with their feet (though that latter might be pretty cool). I just get frustrated when put in a situation where *I* am forced to try to use one, usually with little success. As long as they send things out in open formats I'm fine, though if (when I double-check on the legal thing quoted a couple of messages back) it turns out that reverse engineering/using the products of reverse engineering is *definitely* protected legally in the U.S., I may be in a better position all of a sudden because I'll know that I *can* rely on having access to decoders such as antiword (I could really use a lightweight one for Excel and Powerpoint, though, if that ends up being the case). So. That's that. Amy -- Shading within a garment may occur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap [SOLVED]
Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 08:01:45PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote: Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 01:00:19AM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote: Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what happens when you disable your xmodmap with a us layout? Oh dear...this is disturbing...it works properly. But...but...I need to have Control where Caps Lock used to be, and I don't even touch left-Alt! If xmodmap is the culprit, I'm afraid I'm just going to have to deal with the problem. But at least, thanks to you, the source of the problem has been found. Maybe I'll go through at some point and comment out small portions at a time so I can isolate the nefarious line(s) in question. But for now, I am going to finish up the paper I'm ostensibly working on (no more distracting self with email) and go to bed. Does this mean the problem is solved? If so, then yes, its jsut a matter of figuring out what's not compatible in your xmodmap and fixing it up. Oh...the [Solved] is a holdover from the first time it got solved. It just never got removed. Sorry for the confusion. But it's solved enough for me, for the moment. I meant that the xmodmap was the problem, and without it your vt switching functioned properly, right? So now its a how do I fix my xmodmap question... Oh. Well, in that case, yes. I figure that part shouldn't be too hard; I'll just comment out everything, start X, switch to a VT, kill X, uncomment something, start X, switch to a VT...etc. When I have time, that is. Anyway, thanks for your help in this! Amy -- Darth Vader! Only you would be so bold! -- Princess Leia Organa -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/08/07 23:17, Amy Templeton wrote: Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:03:18PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/08/07 21:55, Amy Templeton wrote: [snip] It's a private college, and have no desire to make this anywhere near that insane, but thank you nonetheless. I'm basically wishfully hoping for a quiet solution. If it's liberal, and it probably is, you could claim Discrimination. All the more so since you're female. I appreciate the suggestion, but I'd rather not pull status on this one, you know? That is a card to be saved up and used in an emergency to which it has direct bearing, or else it loses all meaning and becomes trite. Thanks, though. There are those of us who believe that claims of discrimination became trite many years ago. I'm inclined to disagree; it is more subtle now, but it still exists. Do some reading on the concepts of privilege and intersectionality and if you don't buy it, we can talk more then (or if you do, either way). Hahaha...some of them assume I'm a wizard since I use GNU/Linux. This is not the case. And let me put it this way: a friend of mine went through one of their classes on Python and came out with no idea that he'd been editing text files, no idea that Python could be run from a shell, no idea what an executable was, and, in fact, not even knowing what a shell was (even though it was apparently Tell us again why you go to such a school? Because I am not a computer science major (which is perhaps why my arguments are ignored), and in pretty much every domain other than computers and cost (thank goodness for scholarships and such) it gets top marks in my books. (But then, until I go senile I'll remember the girl who got As on all her Comp Sci tests, but didn't know what this mizz-dos thing was on her floppy disks, and why it was necessary. And I thought that the 6Mhz IBM PC-AT chomped thru Turbo Pascal at a stunningly amazing speed.) I mean...what *is* the point of MS-DOS, or MS in general? I never could figure that out... Anyway...done ranting. I don't really think this thread is going anywhere, so sorry to waste everybody's time and inbox space. That's what 250GB hard drives are for. Okay. Amy -- They're giving bank robbing a bad name. -- John Dillinger, on Bonnie and Clyde -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps they can provide an easy pointy-clicky-gimmik that transforms their doc files to something useful. It may be as simple as adding a button to a tool bar, right beside the save as doc file, a save as something useful button. The author may not have the skill or permission to change the toolbar directly. Amy Templeton wrote: Hmm...that would be an interesting trick. I'll google around on that; if I could find something about that it'd be pretty useful. Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talk to the people who actually run the college's network and computing infrastructure. If they run MS on their servers then there's not much hope. If they run Linux or BSD then they may be of some help. It may be them that set up the profs' desktops and don't allow the profs to alter the setup, which is why the sysadmins may be the ones to get to add a dooclicky. I would talk to them before trying to google and find a clicky. Good idea. Gnu_Raiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as an aside I would suggest maybe next time to use the security angle. Instead of getting blue in the face about the virtues of not using .doc, explain how metadata is bad, and how your personal secrets can be revealed. http://www.lawpro.ca/LawPRO/metadata.pdf Then I would mention what steps they are taking in protecting their information. I find this angle to be of great use as most places are not very security aware especially when it comes to documents. Then you can always ask what metadata cleaning tools they incorporate to protect against such things. Yeah, I definitely do mention things about version control, privacy, etc., more than the virtue of free software (because strong as the latter argument is, it doesn't hold up unless people care). Basically my argument is always Not everybody can open this file; that's bad. Here's how to save it as PDF or text. By the way, it's not just me that you should take this into consideration for, because people can see previous versions, it doesn't show up the same on other computers even if they're running the same version, if somebody's running a previous version they're forced to upgrade, oh and they carry one of the most popular forms of computer virii. By the way, next time [if they're using their own computer and not a school one] consider downloading OpenOffice for free instead of shelling out a couple hundred dollars for a program that does it worse [not an actual quote from any given spiel]. The problem is, there are a lot of people who need to hear this spiel two or three times before they'll listen, and a lot of people who need to hear it. Anyway...I will check out your article on metadata! It seems like that could be a useful snippet to throw at them (which is what I've been looking for here--useful documents to back me up). Thanks for your response! Amy -- One possible reason that things aren't going according to plan is that there never was a plan in the first place. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] The record industry, RIAA and US law
Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johannes Wiedersich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole mission is a textbook example of how it probably is impossible to bring about democracy, peace and freedom by application of force. Impossible? Where were Germany and Japan before and after WWII? Before: A lot more populous. After: In ruins. Seriously, though...are you advocating dropping nuclear bombs on people in order to force them to be free? 'Cause if I recall that's how we got Japan to lay down arms... --Amy I-Hate-To-Get-Involved-But-Oh-Well T. -- The only difference between a rut and a grave is their dimensions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
mmiller3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amy == Amy Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey all, Can anybody recommend a *really, really convincing* source of information I can give people/my college that will aid in deterring them from trying to force people to use MS-Office files (by sending them via email and posting them on official college sites)? You might consider printing them with openoffice and then asking them to explain the hardcopy to you. This works especially well if there are included figures. Works if you have access to an older version of office too. Especially if the software that produces the wierd hardcopy is on university machines. I appreciate the suggestion, but that's not really relevant for a couple of reasons (if I get your meaning correctly). For one thing, I don't own a printer. For another (I guess this part got cut out of the citations), I do not use or install mouse-based programs if I can avoid it (I use the Stump Window Manager, and generally have only two frames open at any given moment: an Emacs, in which I do all of my editing, emailing/mail reading, web browsing, music playing, etc., and an xterm running GNU Screen for miscellaneous tasks). Also, OpenOffice, nice as it might be for people who are into pointing and clicking at things, is not a long-term solution. What if MS changes their format yet again? Another possibility is that they might change their licensing, forcing anyone who reverse-engineers their code to pay them for the privilege of decoding/encoding it or, worse, to abide my Microsoft's proprietary licensing restrictions. There is also the possibility of adding code that would test to see whether the program opening the file is a certified Microsoft program. So even if I were willing to go through the rigamarole of layer after layer of menus and mouse clicks to get to what I want to read, it's only a band-aid, and one that could fall off any day. And (since band-aids are TOTALLY addictive; okay, maybe the band-aid was a bad metaphor. Pain killers, perhaps?) I don't want to get hooked and used to depending on such a system when that day comes. Thanks anyway, though. Amy -- Might not be suitable for persons suffering from weak hearts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion
Wackojacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Well, since we are getting all scientific, the ratio of the diameter of a circle to its circumference is in fact 3, if all you have is one significant digit, which it appears is all we have from the text. Now, if it said ten point zero zero cubits and five point zero zero cubits and thirty point zero zero cubits then there might be a point in there. Regards, -Roberto Ah but is it. 30 could be 2 significant digits, in that case it is incorrect as it should be 31 :) Actually, this is not the case. It would only be two significant digits if it were written with a three followed by a 0 with a bar over it; the bar indicates that it really is *exactly* thirty, not just rounding from 28 or 31 or something. So no, as written it is not two significant digits. I'm afraid I don't have the citation for this, but somebody earlier asked when the new version was coming out. Well, let me tell you! The package was orphaned for an unusually long time (there were some developers who picked it up and added things over the years, such as King James and various priests), but not too much has been happening for the past few hundred years. Well, I decided to pick up the slack. In the updated version, all the pontification has been put into terse, modern English (no other language support, sorry) with lots of slang. It now takes place in New Jersey, and God's character is developed much further (a weird sense of humor comes through in older, now-deprecated versions, but now the more twisted elements are highlighted). Oh, and instead of preaching forgiveness and love and peace, Jeezy (for so He is called on the Streets; and it was good, Dawg) is a gangsta who kills for your sins! He later reforms, runs for office, and supports the death penalty and full-scale war on with anyone we want. His rough-and-ready style of governance, however, leads to several assassination attempts, but since he is an expert at Kung-Fu and always carries several concealed weapons, he easily repels them. In the end, he becomes a billionaire tycoon and opens up sweat shops to civilize third-world countries. Amy -- As to Jesus of Nazareth...I think the system of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the World ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity. -- Benjamin Franklin
Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion
Andrew J. Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amy Templeton wrote: It now takes place in New Jersey, and God's character is developed much further (a weird sense of humor comes through in older, now-deprecated versions, but now the more twisted elements are highlighted). I saw New Jersey and I thought sure you were going to refer to the movie Dogma, which is one of every disaffected former Catholic's favorite movies, if for no other reason than George Carlin is a cardinal. I'm afraid not. I've never seen it. I didn't grow up with any brand of religion, so I'm just kind of making stuff up here based on my limited knowledge (mostly what I know is about the history of revision and addition, which is true). Amy -- You can always tell luck from ability by its duration. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Screen
Tyler Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, for someone who claims not to be a *nix wizard you are not very convincing. There aren't a lot of 20 year-old non-compsci geeks around that don't at least use a graphical browser ;) Well, I do also use Iceweasel, but the Hit-a-Hint extension isn't always reliable and the Conkeror extension doesn't always work with my school's website. Also, I don't browse the web a whole lot in general, since for the most part if my computer's on (which is as rare as I can manage; I'm all about that thing with the umm...trees, I think? Real world. That's the phrase), I'm working on a paper and/or answering emails. The reason I took the time to learn this setup isn't just that I don't do mousiness; it's mostly that I can do my work with a minimum of distraction and frustration this way, and be done with it when I'm done. But yeah, Iceweasel's useful for looking at random comics or YouTube videos on occasion. what does screen do better than multiple xterms Mouseless paste (that's how I found out about it, actually). Also, I just prefer having fewer windows open. And if for some reason I have to restart X, I don't lose whatever was going on in the terminal since it just detaches instead of closing and killing whatever process is running. I'm going to have to take a look at Stump now too, since Fluxbox does still have me mousing around for a few things, mostly arranging my multiple xterms. You may actually prefer ratpoison (the predecessor of stumpwm, by the same primary author), which at this point is somewhat more featureful/clean. The reason I use Stumpwm instead is that I can control it from within Emacs (I know, I'm not helping my case; but I'm really just a literature nerd, I swear!), since it's written in lisp. Ratpoison's in the Debian repos, I believe (stumpwm is too, but it's just a CVS snapshot, which is what's available). Amy -- When marriage is outlawed, only outlaws will have inlaws. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BibTeX and Beamer
Hey all, Has anybody had success getting BibTeX (specifically apacite, but BibTeX in general) to work with LaTeX-Beamer? If so, any information on how to do so would be much appreciated. Thanks, Amy -- In order to get a loan you must first prove you don't need it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BibTeX and Beamer
Kushal Kumaran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/10/07, Amy Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey all,
Has anybody had success getting BibTeX (specifically apacite, but
BibTeX in general) to work with LaTeX-Beamer? If so, any
information on how to do so would be much appreciated.
It Just Works, for me. What errors are you getting?
I found no \bibstyle command---while reading file finalpres.aux
I've got \usepackage{apacite} in the preamble. I've also tried,
in addition, using the command \bibstyle{apa} and
\bibstyle{apacite}. I've also tried recompiling a couple of times
before running bibtex.
Any help is appreciated...
Amy
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Re: [OT] The record industry, RIAA and US law
Michael Marsh wrote: On 5/8/07, Jostein Elvaker Haande [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm left speechless, honestly... http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070507-record-shops-used-cds-ihre-papieren-bitte.html RIAA crap aside, it's true that CDs are easy to steal and easy to sell. A good friend's apartment was burgled a number of years ago, and pretty much all that was stolen was his CD collection. Many of those were difficult to find at that time, and the total value was many hundreds of dollars, probably thousands ($15/CD adds up). A 30 day moratorium on re-sale doesn't hurt the store that much, the seller still gets paid, and if the discs were stolen, the victim has some chance of recovery. That does not, of course, justify incredibly invasive personal data collection. At most, you could keep collections sold together in a single lot during the embargo period, and require the seller to sign a simple agreement. The agreement wouldn't even need to have any force of law behind it. It'd mostly be used for identifying suspects by handwriting. *Ahem*. As somebody who has spent a good deal of time working in a used record store, I feel qualified to comment here. For one thing, the resale of stolen goods isn't generally a big issue in a lot of areas. For another, there are ways besides fingerprinting every customer and making photocopies of their identification to deter this sort of behavior. For example, it is common practice in some areas to record driver's licence number (not make photocopies of it) and get a signature from the seller. On the one occasion I've seen this be an issue, this was enough information for the police to nab the culprit and for the owner to retrieve the CDs. Also, it's pretty easy to tell a lot of the time who is less trustworthy a seller than others (extreme nervousness, selling a lot of items they're clearly unfamiliar with, etc.). Record shop owners and employees, by and large, are not stupid--it's not easy to keep any small business open as it is. I hate to think what these horrible laws are going to do to the small business owners in the states in question; record shops have already been being forced out of business by conglomerates like Barnes and Nobles and Borders. How lovely to know that now we can count on losing our last vestige of choice in these issues. I should just go ahead and start buying up Corp-o Records gift cards. Or, actually...how's Canada doing? I hear it's nice there... Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
Hey all, Can anybody recommend a *really, really convincing* source of information I can give people/my college that will aid in deterring them from trying to force people to use MS-Office files (by sending them via email and posting them on official college sites)? The ones I've been using (http://goldmark.org/netrants/no-word/attach.html and http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html) just aren't cutting it, even when coupled with personal explanations (usually individuals will make a normal, guaranteed-universally-openable, non-evil file available, but the college is really horrid and I usually end up getting people to convert them for me or go to the library and struggle with the confusing interfaces there (the library computers are completely useless unless you just love using a mouse and struggling through menus...no Emacs or terminal or keyboard-control option in sight...grrr...)). And no, installing OpenOffice or Abiword is not a solution, and antiword isn't a *lasting* solution, just a one-time quick fix that does nothing to fix future problems. Thanks in advance, Amy -- You'll never see all the places, or read all the books, but fortunately, they're not all recommended. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 03:49:54PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote: Can anybody recommend a *really, really convincing* source of information I can give people/my college that will aid in deterring them from trying to force people to use MS-Office files (by sending them via email and posting them on official college sites)? The ones I've been using Change colleges? If I were the type to write lol, I'd have written it instead of this filler sentence. Fortunately, it's not quite that bad despite my dramatic description, and I 3 my college other than that. Talk directly to the people creating the files. Explain the problem and ask them what they would need to effect change. I've never used an MS office product so I don't know what's involved, also I don't know the content of the files or how they are generating them. Fair enough. I guess I'm just getting frustrated because I feel like I'm the only one on campus who *doesn't* use MS and MS-for-Mac products exclusively (or at all), despite there apparently being a GNU/Linux group on campus (I haven't contacted them at all, but the impression I get from their website is that they're more into prettifying things with Compiz and such than my particular minimalist-when-it-comes-to-computers aesthetic will allow for, and definitely more into that stuff than into encouraging good practices. So basically I kind of wish there were some magic solution that would save me from having to nag at professors and administrators constantly (or at least when printed copies of the documents aren't available) about this. Perhaps they can provide an easy pointy-clicky-gimmik that transforms their doc files to something useful. It may be as simple as adding a button to a tool bar, right beside the save as doc file, a save as something useful button. The author may not have the skill or permission to change the toolbar directly. Hmm...that would be an interesting trick. I'll google around on that; if I could find something about that it'd be pretty useful. Thanks! M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, that language isn't the same spoken by non programmers. I dunno...the first article (http://goldmark.org/netrants/no-word/attach.html) at least seems to be directed at Word users in general...but good point. Also, I'm not actually a programmer /per se/. I get around fine in Emacs and can hack together some basic elisp, BASH script a bit, and use LaTeX, but beyond that I am by no means a programmer by any stretch of the imagination. 1) as far as official college sites go, it depends on where the college is and whether it is a public one or not. Some countries and states *have* laws that mandate that public electronic documents must be published at least in non proprietary formats. In the USA, Pam Jones of Groklaw.net may be able to help you to find this out. IF this is your situation, threatening a lawsuit or at least communicating to any news outlet in a 500 miles radius may move something. It's a private college, and have no desire to make this anywhere near that insane, but thank you nonetheless. I'm basically wishfully hoping for a quiet solution. 3) Another angle may be to point out that several states are moving to open formats: http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/02/06/HNtexasminnodf_1.html and explain why Universities should be the first ones to follow this example Interesting...I will keep this in mind. 4) I haven't actually opened it yet, but the database here: http://digifreedom.net/node/55 is meant just to list good and bad (from this point of view) schools and Universities worldwide, both to help all of them to get the kind of coverage they deserve, and to help students to find out in advance and avoid the wrong places. You and everybody else is encouraged to send me off list any relevant material. Obviously, you are also encouraged to pass around this request as much as you can. I appreciate this kind offer, but I would prefer to try to resolve this first. I really love my school in most other dimensions, just not when it comes to their computery stuff. That's why I haven't mentioned the name as of yet. Also, it's not actually a *policy*, just a tacit acceptance and a failure to educate their staff about this. Hope these comments are useful. Yes, thank you. Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You *could* refuse to deal with people that send you documents that you cannot read, but reality says you must at least on occasion do so. Yeah, unfortunately most of the culprits are my professors and other staff members at the college. Not really anybody I can refuse to deal with, since they're in the position of power here. Its just that too many people think that MS Office is the only software that exists to create documents. Even telling them about alternatives does not let them see the light. Agreed. I always try to let
Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap [SOLVED]
Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (My apologies if we went over this already. I have now totally lost track of the various branches of this thread.) It's okay. Also, appreciated. On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 00:26:29 -0400, Amy Templeton wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 10:09:42PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 00:41:32 +0100, David Claughton wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: I am afraid it is time to start grasping at straws now: - try gb instead of uk for XkbLayout Well, would you believe it - that fixed the problem! I still can't quite believe it was as simple as that. Thanks a lot for your help :-) Well, in retrospect it is obvious that we should have had a good look at your xorg.conf and your logfile first. You joined this thread when we were already completely fixated on solving the ultimate mystery of the keysyms and therefore we could not see the forest for the tress anymore, I guess. is Amy still lurking on this thread??? is there something missing in your xorg.conf? I'm still around. I guess you missed my quick workaround the other day (thanks to the magics of xbindkeys, sudo, and chvt). However, if there is an alternative to us that you think might fix the problem if given as an argument to XkbLayout, I'd certainly be glad to try it. GB settings are somewhat useless to me, I'm afraid, since I'm from the US. Thanks, though. What do you see if you disable your workaround, run tail -fn0 /var/log/Xorg.0.log and press CTRL+ALT+F1? Well...if I do that while I'm still in the XTerm, I see... ^[[1;7P ...but I think that's just XTerm freaking out. When another frame is focused and I press the buttons, there is no output. If you get some errors or warnings related to switching graphics modes then we know that the key combination does work after all and that there is a problem with the graphics driver. If there is no output at all then we know that your keysyms are still not set up correctly. It appears, then, to be the latter. It might also be illuminating to try if the switching works with the gb layout even if this layout is not an acceptable permanent solution. Well, that's interesting. It did work properly using the gb layout (though it took me a while to figure that out, since I thought the keyboard wasn't working at all, but it turns out there were just some problems until I disabled my xmodmap). That's very weird. One thing that I saw in the startx output using the gb layout that I definitely do *not* see under the us layout was the following... CODE: ___ SetGrabKeysState - disabled ___ ...upon switching to the console, and... CODE: __ SetGrabKeysState - enabled __ ...upon switching back to X. Is this inspiring at all? This might at least provide an opportunity to revive the color vs. colour thread that we had a while back... Oh dear...and that of course brings up gray vs. grey, center vs. centre, boot vs. trunk, and all those other bizarre little spelling differences that don't actually make a difference in pronunciation (boot is *totally* still pronounced trunk in GB, I swear). Anyway... Thanks, Amy -- Measure twice, cut once. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:03:18PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/08/07 21:55, Amy Templeton wrote: [snip] It's a private college, and have no desire to make this anywhere near that insane, but thank you nonetheless. I'm basically wishfully hoping for a quiet solution. If it's liberal, and it probably is, you could claim Discrimination. All the more so since you're female. I appreciate the suggestion, but I'd rather not pull status on this one, you know? That is a card to be saved up and used in an emergency to which it has direct bearing, or else it loses all meaning and becomes trite. Thanks, though. You could also claim hardship: why should you be forced to spend money for a product that is *NOT* required to complete your education, other than the fact that they are trying to make you use it. Books, general supplies, fine, but forcing one word processor over another is ridiculous. Unfortunately, this would be hard to pull off since the college provides labs in most non-dorm buildings replete with the wonderful software necessary to read the documents. However, I just happen to often need to access these documents at times when the labs are closed (the counter-argument: plan ahead). As to my preference for not using the mouse or a Windows/Mac interface (so even if I do make it to a lab, I have a lot of trouble actually doing what I need to do), since this isn't caused by a bona fide physical handicap there's not much I can do there. Again, I've been talking to individual professors and groups--I guess I'm just getting burned out on this since it's something I have to explain with some frequency and was hoping for some document I could just give people. Oh well. Also, what is your comp-sci department like? Are they not a good source for at least moral support? or are they stuck using VB and javascript coding from a gooey IDE... Hahaha...some of them assume I'm a wizard since I use GNU/Linux. This is not the case. And let me put it this way: a friend of mine went through one of their classes on Python and came out with no idea that he'd been editing text files, no idea that Python could be run from a shell, no idea what an executable was, and, in fact, not even knowing what a shell was (even though it was apparently taught on Macs with access to a shell!). He thought that to run a simple script he'd written on a file, he had to open up his special IDE program, go through a ton of menus to pick the right script, go through a ton of menus to gain access to a file, and then manually copy the output to a new file (instead of chmodding his script to give it executable permissions then doing ./myscript myinputfile myoutputfile). And he's very smart. So no, the computer science department isn't much help, especially since they're not interested in what any other departments (read: the departments I take classes in) do. Anyway...done ranting. I don't really think this thread is going anywhere, so sorry to waste everybody's time and inbox space. I'll just suck it up and get back to work on being the Dissenting Voice, burnout aside. Thanks, Amy -- Nothing takes the taste out of peanut butter quite like unrequited love. -- Charlie Brown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You *could* refuse to deal with people that send you documents that you cannot read, but reality says you must at least on occasion do so. Amy Templeton wrote: Yeah, unfortunately most of the culprits are my professors and other staff members at the college. Not really anybody I can refuse to deal with, since they're in the position of power here. Well, have you tried, upon receipt of such a monstrosity, kindly asking for a copy in plain text? I do it on occaision. You could even couch it in mildly mis-leading terms like my copy of word is not working correctly... could you send me a plain text version until I get it repaired? Oh, definitely. As a matter of course, in fact (minus the obfuscation). It's the fact that I have to keep asking the same people and explaining to the same web people the same things week after week, despite giving them a nice explanation the first time 'round on why it's beneficial to *everyone* to do things properly. I'm all about personal communication; it's when I don't get through that I start getting frustrated. GNU/Linux group on campus (I haven't contacted them at all, but the impression I get from their website is that they're more into prettifying things with Compiz and such maybe you should educate them a little bit? A fem in the LUG would have serious impact. I'm sure you could sway policy any ol' way you wanted... Haha...flattering as that is, I doubt they'd be that easily swayed. Also, if they were...I'd hate it to be because of hormones rather than what I have to say. seriously though, the LUG should be ready willing and eager to support you in this. They should be championing a push to open standards and accessibility. Its probably worth your time to at least talk to them. Yeah...I'll probably get around to it next semester when they're in their beginning-of-year confusion stage and don't know what direction to go in. (I occasionally do try to increase the ranks of women GNU/Linux users in particular, since I'm the only one I know in real life), my wife uses debian. Of course, she doesn't really know what it is, but then again, she uses it and is happy! So's my mom too. And no, I don't live in the basement. In fact she's using u*^*^$tu on a power pc mac and hasn't needed any tech support in a good solid year. So you're not alone. Oh yeah! My *three* daughters use debian too. And they love it because I told them to do whatever they want cause they can't break it. *Claps hands in nerdly excitement*! That's good news. A few people I know have been scared off by the boys' club reputation that has for some reason grown up around this stuff, and so it's good that that's breaking down. There's room for everyone! Thanks, Amy P.S.: Dear The List, sorry that my last post was CC'd rather than To. That was a mistake on my part. -- I have great faith in fools -- self confidence my friends call it. -- Edgar Allan Poe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap [SOLVED]
Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 11:40:02PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote: Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you see if you disable your workaround, run tail -fn0 /var/log/Xorg.0.log and press CTRL+ALT+F1? Well...if I do that while I'm still in the XTerm, I see... ^[[1;7P that's not good. THat means X is ignoring those keystrokes and passing them through to Xterm. ...but I think that's just XTerm freaking out. When another frame is focused and I press the buttons, there is no output. the other frames provide no output because thety are ignoring key-presses they don't know how to deal with, I assume. That seems about right, yeah. One thing that I saw in the startx output using the gb layout that I definitely do *not* see under the us layout was the following... are you seeing this on the VT you launched X from or is it in the logs? On the VT. If you get some errors or warnings related to switching graphics modes then we know that the key combination does work after all and that there is a problem with the graphics driver. If there is no output at all then we know that your keysyms are still not set up correctly. It appears, then, to be the latter. It might also be illuminating to try if the switching works with the gb layout even if this layout is not an acceptable permanent solution. Well, that's interesting. It did work properly using the gb layout (though it took me a while to figure that out, since I thought the keyboard wasn't working at all, but it turns out there were just some problems until I disabled my xmodmap). That's very weird. what happens when you disable your xmodmap with a us layout? Oh dear...this is disturbing...it works properly. But...but...I need to have Control where Caps Lock used to be, and I don't even touch left-Alt! If xmodmap is the culprit, I'm afraid I'm just going to have to deal with the problem. But at least, thanks to you, the source of the problem has been found. Maybe I'll go through at some point and comment out small portions at a time so I can isolate the nefarious line(s) in question. But for now, I am going to finish up the paper I'm ostensibly working on (no more distracting self with email) and go to bed. Thanks to all who've replied, Amy -- I can resist everything except temptation. -Oscar Wilde -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TeTex to TeXLive
Hey all, So recently, occasionally when upgrading (I use Lenny) I've had to remove some TeX component or other because it now won't depend on TeTeX. So I suppose that that means it's time to get with the program and upgrade to TeXLive, since it actually updates, but I've also heard tell that people experience big problems when moving over from TeTeX instead of just installing TeXLive onto a system without any former TeX installation. Is there some safe way of moving over? Also, (very importantly) does AUCTeX work with TeXLive? Thanks, Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TeTex to TeXLive [DONE]
Micha Feigin wrote: Tyler Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-05-07, Amy Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TeX installation. Is there some safe way of moving over? I just jumped in, and the only issue I had was getting my source files (ie. non-standard .bst, .bib, .cls files) into the right directories If you have non-standard files you should put them in ~/texmf and then run texhash ~/texmf. This way they survive whatever update you've got and the hash is local so I didn't have to rerun texhash after the update Thanks for your responses, everybody. I carefully purged all the TeTeX files, then installed TeXLive, and tested it out on a couple of documents (on the way I noticed that a couple of packages I use *all the time* (apacite and apa.cls) which I'd previously had to find the source for were included in the distribution! Good, good, good stuff. So now that's one less thing to worry about later (whenever TeTeX is removed in favor of TeXLive). Thanks, Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap [SOLVED (for reals)]
David Claughton wrote: Amy Templeton wrote: P.S.: When did the thread title get changed, anyway? I guess I missed that. If you mean the 'SOLVED' tag, I'm afraid that'd be me. I guess I'd forgotton I was riding on your thread, I probably shouldn't have implied that the entire issue was resolved. Sorry. Actually, I meant from Oh! Also, can't get to VT or whatever it was originally. I also attached a [solved] tag to it at some point. No worries. :-) Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap [SOLVED]
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 10:09:42PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 00:41:32 +0100, David Claughton wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: I am afraid it is time to start grasping at straws now: - try gb instead of uk for XkbLayout Well, would you believe it - that fixed the problem! I still can't quite believe it was as simple as that. Thanks a lot for your help :-) Well, in retrospect it is obvious that we should have had a good look at your xorg.conf and your logfile first. You joined this thread when we were already completely fixated on solving the ultimate mystery of the keysyms and therefore we could not see the forest for the tress anymore, I guess. is Amy still lurking on this thread??? is there something missing in your xorg.conf? I'm still around. I guess you missed my quick workaround the other day (thanks to the magics of xbindkeys, sudo, and chvt). However, if there is an alternative to us that you think might fix the problem if given as an argument to XkbLayout, I'd certainly be glad to try it. GB settings are somewhat useless to me, I'm afraid, since I'm from the US. Thanks, though. Amy P.S.: When did the thread title get changed, anyway? I guess I missed that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bookmarks across browsers
KS wrote: Can't there be a common place for bookmarks which all browsers could read? Something like an XML file maybe? ... Or should there be a WWW-standard for such a simple but important feature? Well, one thing you could do would be to find the bookmarks file for your browser. For example, my Firefox bookmarks can be found at ~/.mozilla/firefox/random-default-user-string.default/bookmarks.html Similarly, my w3m bookmarks are at ~/.w3m/bookmark.html. Anyway, it could be risky trying to overwrite other browsers' bookmark files with links to a single one (in case they use a specific format), but one strategy you might use could be to bookmark another browser's bookmark file, letting you access it from that browser. Just a thought. Or, if examining the bookmark files leads you to believe that you could safely use the same file without confusing the browser, you could maybe just symlink it (but again, be careful). So yeah, just a thought. Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap
Florian Kulzer wrote: Check what is assigned to keycode 67. I see this: $ xmodmap -pk | egrep '^[ ]+67 ' 67 0xffbe (F1) 0x1008fe01 (XF86_Switch_VT_1) If your output looks different then you can try if xmodmap -e 'keycode 67 = F1 XF86_Switch_VT_1' restores the VT switching. Well, I've got what seems to be the correct output. Also, xev seems to read things fine from what I can tell. I would be glad to provide the exact output if it would be helpful. Thanks, Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap [(mostly SOLVED)]
So I did some follow-through and read through a bit of the sudoers manual, and added the following to the line for my username to the system /etc/sudoers file (using visudo, of course): Code: ___ NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/chvt ___ ...which allows me to successfully invoke chvt without entering a password. I then added the following stanzas to my ~/.xmodmap file: Code: _ sudo chvt 1 control + Mod1 + F1 sudo chvt 2 control + Mod1 + F2 sudo chvt 3 control + Mod1 + F3 sudo chvt 4 control + Mod1 + F4 sudo chvt 5 control + Mod1 + F5 sudo chvt 6 control + Mod1 + F6 _ ...which allows me to switch to a VT using control-alt-f#! Sweet! Mission accomplished! Thanks for the help of everyone here. However, there is one small hitch: when invoked from a commandline, chvt takes me to a VT. There, I can log in, move to another VT with Alt-f#, or go back to X with alt-f7. However, when invoked via a keybinding, chvt takes me to the correct VT, from which I can either log in or go back to X with alt-f7. If, however, I try to change to another VT from there, it flashes over to it for a second and then switches back. This also happens if I invoke chvt from the VT. Unless somebody has an immediately obvious fix for this, however, I'm willing to live with this, since the fix above is admittedly treating the symptoms but not so much the problem. Anyway, thanks again to everyone. Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: maybe you could wrap it in a script that was suid root, but I don't know about those things either. Fair enough. I guess I should probably find some time to read up on this (I know relevant info. can be found in some manpage I doubtless have installed, and I've seen stuff about SUID on the internet when I was looking for something completely unrelated). I think I'm actually going to just look into making particular commands not need passwords with sudo, since that could be useful in other realms as well and it's something I've heard can be done. Did we ever do xmodmap -pk | grep VT to confirm those line up properly? 'fraid so. And they definitely did match what they're supposed to be. So much for a simple solution! Thanks again, Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get install synaptic / sources.list
somethin2cool wrote: When uninstalling an ap, dependencies which are no longer required should also be uninstalled. Aptitude (a front-end to apt which, I believe, is installed by default, and which has both a true commandline interface (with switches more or less identical to APT's) and a terminal-based user interface (if invoked with no arguments)) does this by default. And if later you *want* to keep some of the unused dependencies it's about to uninstall, you can tell it to do that, as well. Just cos I think something is rubbish doesn't mean I have a bad attitude. This is true, but a bad attitude does come out in the presentation of that thought. Comments like Apparently this is too obvious to bother writing anywhere when complaining about a lack of documentation aren't productive--if taken at face value, this particular example is just self-deprecating. If the sarcasm that (I think) is underlying it is also taken into consideration, it takes on a dimension of rudeness thinly masked by self-deprecation. Either way, just asking for help rather than sniping at yourself and/or the documentation folks is more helpful and probably takes less time to write, as well. Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webhttrack. start please
somethin2cool wrote: Well, If I type lynx into little-command-bar I expect it to launch lynx. ie, launch a terminal with command lynx. xterm -e lynx Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to make a symlink
somethin2coolwrote: I seem to be mising some basic features (like search). Is slocate installed? If so, it's invoked with locate somestring (minus the quotes). Otherwise, you can probably use find, invoked in the same way. One of these is the ability to make links to files. ln -s /path/to/original/file /path/to/symlink Thus putting a symlink to seamonkey in bin ought to suffice until I learn more. If it's not in your /usr/bin, I'd suggest putting it in ~/bin, or else /usr/local/bin. If the former directory doesn't exist, you should probably create it. Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: Amy, I was helping you with this and then got distracted. Did you resolve this issue at all? Unfortunately, no (and I also got somewhat distracted and just came across this message). Basically, at this point I think I could kludge together a quick fix for this if I could figure out how to give my regular user account permission to access chvt, but I haven't gotten around to booking up on permissions so that I can make it SUID root or something (though, actually, that would probably not be the smartest idea ever because I'd rather have relatively few SUID root items lying around my hard drive). Anyway, if you have any thoughts on this I'd appreciate hearin' them. Thanks a lot! Michelle Konzack wrote: Do you have a customited xmodmap? Yes, but I don't change any of the F-whatever keys in it. Basically, all I do with xmodmap is move some modifiers around (putting Control where Caps is, adding a Hyper key, etc.). Also, I have tried starting X up without loading that, and still had the problem. I appreciate the thought, however. Thanks! Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Universities, Linux, M$, USA
Michael Dominok wrote: [Snipped Horrorstory (by Gnu Raiz)] Gnu Raiz wrote: Oh if your curious about what University I attend it's the University of Memphis, not that it makes any difference. Is this typical for US-universities? *Sigh*...it certainly is at mine. Almost all the labs are Windows-only, but a few proudly sport fancy new Macs. Of course, even the Macs run Microsoft products (particularly MS-Office). Many people have no idea that Firefox is installed on the computers and use IE exclusively. And they blame the fact that the network isn't secure on IRC--it's forbidden without special permission, and yet they allow people to send and receive MS Office files over the Internet and use Outlook Express! Oh, and they require professors to set up websites sites on a lovely online program called Blackboard, which is not only proprietary software but also clearly just *bad* (I know several students with physical handicaps who simply can't use it because it breaks their screen readers). And to top it all off, if you seek support for anything computer-related and it comes out you use Linux, the support folks just assume that you don't need help after all (even if it's a hardware problem) because you're clearly a computer wizard. I've managed to get a few professors to recognize some accessibility problems with the website thing and also to start sending files in open formats such as PDFs and text (because it really is inconvenient to go to the library or a computer lab just to read my email), but for the most part everything computer-related on campus is just bad news. And it kind of puts me in a bad situation because I advocate/am active in a lot of groups on a lot of different issues, so with the computer stuff on top of everything else I kind of get seen sometimes as that girl who complains about everything, since my school does have some serious accessibility issues in general. In non-computer realms, however, it's an amazing school. Very progressive, even. *Shrug* Amy P.S.: They start the MS training early. When I was in high school, they offered classes on how to become Microsoft Office Certified or some such nonsense. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian User List
Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I completely agree with this; If I wasn't bound to always have to monitor my battery life and wireless signal graphically (Because I'm on a laptop) I'd probably be using Ion3 or wmii instead of Window Maker. Hmm, you know, I think that both of those window managers offer the ability to display messages to the user (I *could* just be making that up, but I don't think so). In that case, you could toss together a simple BASH script or something that would periodically display your battery usage and wireless signal, since there are shell commands that can output that kind of info...so if you really want to switch, that could possibly be a workable option (then again, it might just get annoying). Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap
Since chvt works, is there any way to make chvt a command that is accessible by a normal user such as myself so that I could bind it to a key with xbindkeys (for those of you just tuning in, I can't seem to switch to a VT from X with the standard Control-Alt-Fx keybindings), but can using chvt as root or with sudo. It doesn't seem to be a file permissions problem, as I can *invoke* chvt as a normal user but get the error VT_ACTIVATE: Operation not permitted when I do so. Any answers are much appreciated. Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: latex to html
abdelkader belahcene wrote: I am using latex2html to convert files from latex to html, but latex2html seems not maintened, and now I have some problems in conversion, specialy with new special packages. So I want to find another one, I tried tex4ht not enough good for the moment ( for image for example). Someone perhaps has a good idea. Have you considered using pdflatex to create a PDF document and then using pdftohtml (it's in the repositories) to convert *that* to HTML? It's not exactly the most graceful solution, but it seems like it has the potential to work. Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian User List
Greg Folkert wrote: Okay. So I guess the DU ML should just close up shop and be done with it. s. keeling wrote: Nah, the kids these days think MLs are old hat and frumpy compared to web forums. Paul Johnson wrote: No, kids are lazy and don't want to learn how to research, or do the research themselves. Y'know, that may be true of many people, older and younger, but I'd just like to stick up for some of the people my age. There definitely are those who tend to think that forums are much worse for communication than are mailing lists, and also those who are more than willing to do some research in order to get things working right and/or improve upon them (if there's room). I promise. You can't point and click on anything in slrn or mutt. Isn't that why there's icedove, sylpheed, kmail...? See, I guess that's part of the weirdness of being me, but personally I try to turn off any feature that requires me to use the mouse in order to access it. So again, kids these days aren't *all* about flash and fancy show. Just putting in two cents, Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Init scripts
Hello, all... I have a (hopefully) quick question...is it possible to create a runlevel nearly identical to the default runlevel (this is 2, correct? Also, do 3-5 have different characteristics?) or else use one of the other runlevels in order to start different programs at boot? If I choose use an existing runlevel and to boot to, say, runlevel 3 instead of 2, would it go *through* runlevel 2 and then into 3, or would it jump straight to 3 and skip 2? Basically, the goal would be to create a couple of extra kernel stanzas nearly identical to my default, adding to the kernel options a softlevel= statement that would tell it which runlevel to default to (unless this is a bad way of doing it, in which case I'm open to suggestions as long). The reason I would like to do this is so that if my laptop isn't directly hooked up to the Internet, I can choose whether to have it try to connect to a wireless network or just not connect at all (the current behavior is to try to connect via the wired connection even if it's not hooked in). Again, if there is a more graceful way of implementing this, I am open to suggestions. It's just sometimes irritating to have to remember to go in and hit C-c to make it stop polling for a nonexistant connection so it doesn't hang for a couple of minutes. Also, on the topic of the Internet, is there any daemon-type program I could run which would watch for my unplugging the computer from the network and then maybe poll for a wireless connection if there's one around? I mean, I don't really *mind* doing ifup/down manually, but it'd be neat to maybe streamline it a bit. Oh, and I would prefer a daemon that *wouldn't* pull in all kinds of dependencies I don't want, such as GNOME, KDE, or XFCE4. Thanks in advance, Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh, yeah: Unable to switch to TTY from X
I probably should've put this in the last email I sent out, but it is kind of off-topic for that and it just occurred to me. Since installing Debian (a while back), I'm unable to get back to a TTY after I invoke startx. I occasionally post on the Debian User Forums under the name LadyDoor (not out of any desire to be deceptive but because I am for some reason a teense more weird/OCD about posting on fora than about posting to (publicly-available on the Internet) mailing lists, though I was once weird about that too. I know that that's backwards since you can hide your email address on the forum, but whatever), and have posted there about this and also searched google, but have yet to come up with anything that actually solved the problem. Mainly, what has been suggested is to comment the line in xorg.conf (or maybe it was another file in /etc/X11/) that tells X *not* to let me switch back. This line, however, doesn't exist anywhere in my /etc/X11 directory, so as far as I can tell that isn't the problem. I thought that maybe the problem was that my window manager of choice is stumpwm from CVS (which is great! The only problem is occasionally having to explain to people that that's not how Linux looks but that there are very pretty options available if you're into that kind of thing), but I have tried installing and starting up another window manager (no luck) and starting a plain xterm without a window manager (still no luck), so I don't think the WM is to blame. If anybody has any ideas on how to remedy this situation, I'd appreciate it. Though it's not pressing due to the magic of xterm + GNU screen, I just would feel more comfortable knowing that I have that option available. Thanks, Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oh, yeah: Unable to switch to TTY from X
Bob McGowan wrote: I presume you mean that using the 'Alt-Ctl-F#' keys fails to switch to a tty console Yes, that's correct. Also note that before I start X (or after I exit it altogether), I *can* switch from VT to VT with Alt-F#. since you don't explicitly state what you're trying, I'd like confirmation before saying anything more. ;) I appreciate your caution. Common sense isn't and what may seem obvious to you may not be for someone else. Thanks, Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oh, yeah: Unable to switch to TTY from X
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: there were some threads related to this a couple months ago, so you might review the archives. if that doesn't help, post up your xorg.conf Thanks; I'll do that. Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oh, yeah: Unable to switch to TTY from X
Bob McGowan wrote: I presume you mean that using the 'Alt-Ctl-F#' keys fails to switch to a tty console Door Templeton wrote: Yes, that's correct. Also note that before I start X (or after I exit it altogether), I *can* switch from VT to VT with Alt-F#. Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: I had the same problem just recently after my machine had been up for a couple of days following an upgrade to Etch. Unfortunately, I couldn't figure out the problem, so I just rebooted (couldn't kill X with a ctrl-alt-bksp). Everything was fine after that. Hmm, interesting. Unfortunately, it sounds like two different problems--for one thing, I'm currently using Lenny. For another, I don't leave my computer up all the time--I turn it on when I need to use it and off when I don't. So a simple reboot won't do the trick. Also, I am able to kill X with C-M-backspace. Thanks, though! Amy
Re: Oh, yeah: Unable to switch to TTY from X
Bob McGowan wrote: I presume you mean that using the 'Alt-Ctl-F#' keys fails to switch to a tty console Amy Templeton wrote: Yes, that's correct. Also note that before I start X (or after I exit it altogether), I *can* switch from VT to VT with Alt-F#. So per a previous suggestion, I've attached my xorg.conf. I don't see anything in there that would cause this. I am able to kill X with C-M-backspace. Andrew Sackville-West wrote: so that means your C and M are mapped right, maybe your F keys aren't? this gets into things I don't know about, but that's where I'd look. Pull up a program that uses F keys and see if they work properly. or use xev to see what happens. I know for a fact that my F-whatever keys work correctly, because I use them very frequently in Emacs (and have them mapped to f# in the input file). It seems it may be a problem, however, with the control-alt-F# keystroke getting sent to the current window (or to the root window, if there is no window at present), because when I hit C-M-F# (this means the same as writing out ctrl-alt-F#), Emacs says that C-M-f# is undefined. Similarly, in an xterm, C-M-F1 prints P and C-M-F2 prints Q. It's very odd. Is there a way to make sure that X intercepts these keystrokes, perhaps? Thanks, Amy # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page. # (Type man /etc/X11/xorg.conf at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section Files FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi FontPath unix/:7100 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc # path to defoma fonts FontPath/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType EndSection Section Module Loadi2c Loadbitmap Loadddc Loaddri Loadextmod Loadfreetype Loadglx Loadint10 Loadvbe EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xorg Option XkbModel pc104 Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device/dev/input/mice Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons true EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Synaptics Touchpad Driver synaptics Option SendCoreEventstrue Option Device/dev/psaux Option Protocol auto-dev Option HorizScrollDelta 0 EndSection Section Device Identifier nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] Driver nvidia BusID PCI:1:0:0 EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Generic Monitor Option DPMS HorizSync 28-64 VertRefresh 43-60 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen Device nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] Monitor Generic Monitor DefaultDepth24 SubSection Display Depth 1 Modes 1280x800 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 Modes 1280x800 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 Modes 1280x800 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15
Re: Oh, yeah: Unable to switch to TTY from X
Amy Templeton wrote: This line, however, doesn't exist anywhere in my /etc/X11 directory, so as far as I can tell that isn't the problem. cga2000 wrote: So what's your point, exactly? I just wanted to skip the part where people suggested things I'd already tried. What's your video card? 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] (rev a3) Maybe your x.org driver is not up to par .. ?? I had this problem with the default nv driver and still do with the nvidia-glx driver I'm currently using. # chvt 2 .. you need to be root, though .. Thanks to the magic of su and sudo, that is not a problem. chvt works, and from there I can go to various vt's and back to X in the normal way. Thanks a lot...it's just odd that that doesn't happen with the keybindings. Thanks, Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: windows download
Tim Casey wrote: will a cd downloaded and burned on a windows machine boot? Provided you can actually burn an ISO image to a CD properly using Windows software. I managed to find a Windows-equivalent-of-a-command-line utility to do this the first time I installed a Linux distribution (in the sad days before I discovered Debian), and it worked fine. Just google for Microsoft burn ISO image' or something along those lines. Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burn files 4 GB to DVD
If you're looking for growisofs (which is the impression I'm getting from some of the earlier posts to this thread), it's included in dvd+-rw-tools, which is a package that is definitely in Lenny and may or may not be in Etch (sorry, I'm lazy). Note that I discovered this with an apt-cache search for growisofs--it pulled up the correct result despite growisofs not being the name of the package. It's a very useful tool if you don't mind a little terminal. I hope that helps! Amy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
