kt3 ultra2 mobo and nfs problems (dma)?
Hi, I recently bought a kt3 ultra2 mother board and I keep having problems with it. The computer is running debian/testing (kernel self-compiled from unstable deb 2.4.20). The issues are not easily reproducible but here is what I learned so far: (The machine is acting as a nfs server and has an ide-cd-burner) *) Clients cannot connect to NFS server anymore (happens once a day, usually the first time in the morning when I power up my workstation - the nfs-client). The error I get is nfs: task 20071 can't get a request slot - taken from /var/log/messages of the nfs-client. The only cure I found is to reboot both the client and the server. Then everything seems to work fine again. *) Burning CDs and using nfs sometimes freezes the computer (kernel panic) *) Copying big files over NFS sometimes causes the same nfs problems I usualy have in the moring (see first star) Basically I assume (though this is more like a guess) that heavy network traffic together with heavy ide traffic trigger some problems. I have upgraded the mobo bios to the latest version available. I am not sure, for some time I had the feeling the machine crashed less often since, but then again, I have no statistics to back this up. Since a week I have turned off DMA usage and everything seems to work now -- although very very slowly of course. I have googled for answers and have learned that right before 2.4.20 some related ide/dma patches for my chipset have been applied. But hey, I am using 2.4.20, and still get problems (; Has anybody else experienced similar problems? regards, Andreas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing XFree 4.2 into non standard location - help
On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 00:01, Bill Triplett wrote: On Sat, 2002-03-30 at 08:32, Andreas Leitner wrote: Hi, I own a AIW Radeon. The card works quite nicely with XFree 4.1, but some features (TV Out, TV In, ...) will only work with X 4.2 + some special drivers from the Gatos project. For those to try I need to hand compile my own X (at least the gatos guys recommend this) and install it over my existing X. Now I have downloaded the sources of X 4.2 and did a make World on them. But I really don't like installing X over my X 4.1 which I installed via debs. Is there a chance to install it into some non standard dir, just to try it out. Hi.. I just did the same thing on a woody box. Here's what I'm doing to keep 4.2.0 separate from the distro's version: -- good luck Copy existing /usr/X11R6 and /etc/X11 to something like /usr/X11R6-dkpg and /etc/X11-dkpg. Just for good measure, I tared and gziped the originals too. So now there is /usr/X11R6 and an /usr/X11R6-dkpg (which are the same) and an /etc/X11 and /etc/X11-dpkg (which are also the same) Then, 'make install'-ed the new Xfree 4.2.0, so it basically updates the /usr/X11R6 and /etc/X11 with the new X version. Then, renamed /usr/X11R6 and /etc/X11 (which are now updated to 4.2.0) to /usr/X11R6-420 and /etc/X11-420 Then made symlink: /etc/X11 - /etc/X11-420, and /usr/X11R6 - /usr/X11R6-420 That should do it. The real problem is when apt wants to update the xfree-packages during a routine apt-get update. I've been reading the manpage for apt_preferences(5), and there seems to be a way to manually keep apt from upgrading certain packages. I am not sure that I understand that process yet, but it is worth checking in to. Right now, if I see that apt wants to upgrade the x server stuff, I will switch the symlinks back to /usr/X11R6-dkpg and /etc/X11-dkpg before starting the upgrade. Ugh. Hmmm, that doesn't sound much of a good idea to me. Problem is: When you upgrade any X application (not only X itself) it will install things in /usr/X11 and/or /usr/X11R6 (correct me if I am wrong), so once you upgrade anything you need to reinstall your x 4.2, because just renaming the symlinks back would result in a terribly inconsistent system. But, thanks alot for your reply. It's good to know I am not the only one trying. Btw, did you try the gatos X drivers as well? Did they work for you? Andreas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing XFree 4.2 into non standard location - help
On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 20:16, Bill Triplett wrote: On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 09:57, Andreas Leitner wrote: On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 00:01, Bill Triplett wrote: On Sat, 2002-03-30 at 08:32, Andreas Leitner wrote: I own a AIW Radeon. The card works quite nicely with XFree 4.1, but some features (TV Out, TV In, ...) will only work with X 4.2 + some special drivers from the Gatos project. For those to try I need to hand compile my own X (at least the gatos guys recommend this) and install it over my existing X. Now I have downloaded the sources of X 4.2 and did a make World on them. But I really don't like installing X over my X 4.1 which I installed via debs. Is there a chance to install it into some non standard dir, just to try it out. That should do it. The real problem is when apt wants to update the xfree-packages during a routine apt-get update. I've been reading the manpage for apt_preferences(5), and there seems to be a way to manually keep apt from upgrading certain packages. I am not sure that I understand that process yet, but it is worth checking in to. Right now, if I see that apt wants to upgrade the x server stuff, I will switch the symlinks back to /usr/X11R6-dkpg and /etc/X11-dkpg before starting the upgrade. Ugh. Hmmm, that doesn't sound much of a good idea to me. Problem is: When you upgrade any X application (not only X itself) it will install things in /usr/X11 and/or /usr/X11R6 (correct me if I am wrong), so once you upgrade anything you need to reinstall your x 4.2, because just renaming the symlinks back would result in a terribly inconsistent system. Yes, I know what you mean. You can install it somewhere else, just update your PATH and /etc/ld.so.conf to add the new directories so that you will be able to work with the new dir. Just watch out for it changing things in /etc/X11. Also, the compiled-in paths could be changed before the compile, too. That might be a better way to do it, as when you install the gatos drivers, it should pick up the alternate path when it creates the Makefile from the IMakefile. I have not tried that approach. I see. But do you know how to tell X to install somewhere else? I would know how to do it if that thing were autoconf based, but... (; The reason I installed over the debian one is that I had already installed some shared libs (like libxaw -- needed for xawtv) that I needed. I read a some more about apt_preferences(5) and made a little script that (i hope) is creating the proper entries in apt_preferences that will keep apt from automatically selecting the things installed in /usr/X11R6 for upgrade: #!/bin/bash for pk in `dpkg -S X11R6 | sed -e 's/[,:].*//' | sort | uniq` ; do v=$(dpkg --status $pk | grep ^Version | sed -e 's/.*:[ ]*//'); echo Package: $pk echo Pin: version $v echo Pin-Priority: 0 ; echo done # cut Nice! I tried a similar entry for xfonts-scalable-nonfree (which was just updated) and apt did not select it for upgrade, so I'm thinking that this will work for packages already installed. Your milage may vary... :) But, thanks alot for your reply. It's good to know I am not the only one trying. Btw, did you try the gatos X drivers as well? Did they work for you? Yes... they are working quite well. The TV playback is virtually flawless. The capture is stil evolving, but it works for the most part. TV-out is a little unstable right now. I had it working last night, but the picture was a little off. It is very resolution / freq. / depth sensitive. Very encouraging! Thanks alot for your help! Andreas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installing XFree 4.2 into non standard location - help
Hi, I own a AIW Radeon. The card works quite nicely with XFree 4.1, but some features (TV Out, TV In, ...) will only work with X 4.2 + some special drivers from the Gatos project. For those to try I need to hand compile my own X (at least the gatos guys recommend this) and install it over my existing X. Now I have downloaded the sources of X 4.2 and did a make World on them. But I really don't like installing X over my X 4.1 which I installed via debs. Is there a chance to install it into some non standard dir, just to try it out. I would really like to install it somewhere at: /home/al/myxtest/ and still be able as user al to use this version instead of the properly installed X package. Only problem is: I have no idea how to do it... Anybody willing to enlighten me? many thanks in advance, Andreas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nfs is slow
I am running a box with debian testing and one with woody. The testing acts as a nfs server and unstable as client. They are connected via a 10MB hub - no real traffic, it's my home network. When I try to copy a file from a local dir to a nfs dir on the unstable box it is rely slow. midnight commander tells me it is copying with 23KB/s (copying a file of 1300MB takes forever). That cannot be right? I tried both nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server. The server box is a p2-300 with around 200MB ram and the client is a athlon 1400Mhz with 512MB ram. Any hints? Andreas
Re: nfs is slow
On Sat, 2002-02-16 at 00:13, Cameron Kerr wrote: On 15 Feb 2002, Andreas Leitner wrote: I am running a box with debian testing and one with woody. The testing acts as a nfs server and unstable as client. They are connected via a 10MB hub - no real traffic, it's my home network. When I try to copy a file from a local dir to a nfs dir on the unstable box it is rely slow. midnight commander tells me it is copying with 23KB/s (copying a file of 1300MB takes forever). That cannot be right? You should really include a couple of important options when you mount the NFS filesystem on the client. -- /etc/fstab -- foo:/home /home nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,yourotheroptions 0 0 Network transmissions are a funny thing. I wrote a program once that would be use a changing buffer size, from 1 byte, doubling each time it was called, to 1MB, the transfer speed made the most unusual shape, something like | --- | - | - - | - - | - | - |- +-- 1B 4k 8k 1MB (This is very rusty, but you get the idea that the optimal buffer size is 4k or 8k). Stangely enough, I haven't been able to replicate the strange dip... Actually I did that. Based on the NFS Howto I came up with a set of options, not sure what they mean now, since i set it up quite some time ago... myhost:/mydir /myotherdir nfs user,noexec,dev,suid,rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 Is there some app in debian with which i could easily messure the saturation of my connection? tia, Andreas
Re: root password forgotten
On Sat, 2002-01-26 at 03:03, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 25-Jan-2002 Michael Jinks wrote: One thing you can do: hold left shift during boot to get a prompt, and at the LILO: prompt enter Linux init=/bin/sh (possibly replacing Linux with another image name if your box doesn't have the default). The root fs will come up read-only. To be able to mount other filesystems and otherwise bring the box to a usable state, mount -o rw,remount / (lower case 'linux init=/bin/sh' usually) Wow, I kind of knew there were ways to gain root access or even find out the root password quite easily, but that's really really easy... On every standard Debian install, anybody can gain the root password within minutes (given the attacker has phyiscal access to the box): 1) Issue linux init=/bin/sh on the lilo promt 2) Use john to crack the root password Should be pretty transparent and thus hard to trace... I just discussed that on #debian with some other guy - and I do have an idea: Couldn't one add some debconf questions (and infos) to the lilo deb that ask the user whether lilo should be password protected ? And at the same time inform the user that if he'd want a secure system he'd better password protect the bios and disable all boot methods except hdd. Sure, there are ton's of breakins and every sane sysadmin should know, but then again, i am sure that there are tons of boxes that should be protected and are not - and maybe such a little debconf question would help. What do others think about that? Should I file a whishlist bug on lilo? regards, Andreas -- Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not behind me!
Re: euro char on US keyboard
On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 18:50, Pete Ryland wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 06:08:32PM +0100, Andreas Leitner wrote: Hi, I live in Austria, but for convenience use a keyboard with the standard US layout. It actually got a Euro symbol printed on the 5 key (to the right of the five, just like @ on the german keyboard is right to 2 iirc). Thing is, AFAIK you reach those symbols to the right via the AltGr key, but there is none on my keyboard Now I read the debian-euro-howto over and over again, but I cannot find out what to do. Using euro-test, I get the Euro Sign in the xterm displayed correctly, I just cannot _type_ it. Since I don't know how to type it, I cannot know how to configure X to use it (; Anybody knows? Try WindowsKey-Shift-4. I think that will work on a US keyboard with the default US keymap. Meanwhile I found out that the correct keycombination would be CTRL-ALT-5, I tried to change /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/us, but with no success. I changed -- key AD03 {[ e,E ] }; -- to -- key AD03 {[ EuroSign,E ] }; -- And got the Euro Symbol when pressing 5, but changing it to: -- key AD03 {[ 5,E ], [ EuroSign] }; -- or -- key AD03 {[ 5,E ], [ EuroSign, cent] }; -- had no effect whatsoever. Anybody knows the correct modification? And shouldn't this be really in debian proper? Andreas
euro char on US keyboard
Hi, I live in Austria, but for convenience use a keyboard with the standard US layout. It actually got a Euro symbol printed on the 5 key (to the right of the five, just like @ on the german keyboard is right to 2 iirc). Thing is, AFAIK you reach those symbols to the right via the AltGr key, but there is none on my keyboard Now I read the debian-euro-howto over and over again, but I cannot find out what to do. Using euro-test, I get the Euro Sign in the xterm displayed correctly, I just cannot _type_ it. Since I don't know how to type it, I cannot know how to configure X to use it (; Anybody knows? tia, Andreas
Re: working icq client for debian?
On Tue, 2001-11-20 at 16:09, David Roundy wrote: On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 05:42:50AM +0100, Andreas Leitner wrote: Or is there some other icq client in debian that supports the new protocol? I've been using licq without any problems. I am pretty sure you cannot send messages to people who use the new ICQ client on windows (which is in my case a lot of people - and i never know whet) Andreas
Re: working icq client for debian?
On Tue, 2001-11-20 at 07:45, Dmitriy wrote: On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 05:42:50AM +0100, Andreas Leitner wrote: [snip] I have heard rumors that gaim supports the new icq protocl, but when i start it up, i get to the logon screen and am promted for a AOL IM user name + password (which i do not have). Does anybody know how to setup gaim to work as an ICQ messenger? When u see signup window, click on plugins. There you can load an icq plugin, and loads of other stuff. And then u can click on accounts button on signup window, and edit your accounts, and select the ones on which gaim would logon automatically. I hope that helps. Yes - thanks alot, I got it working now. Although I also played with ickle. There is no .deb for it yet and it is lacking a gnome applet, but it looks very prommising and works without tweaking the firewall (;
Re: foobar
On Tue, 2001-11-20 at 17:57, Richardson, Martin wrote: Does anyone know where foobar originates from, and its meaning? IIRC it originates from: Fucked up beyond all recognition (or was it any?) I don't know why they replaced the u with oo, though. Andreas
working icq client for debian?
Hi, I am looking for a working ICQ client in debian. gnomicu (which i have been using till now) does not work well together with the new icq servers. they are working on implementing the new (v7 or so) protocol, but it might take some time until they are done. I have heard rumors that gaim supports the new icq protocl, but when i start it up, i get to the logon screen and am promted for a AOL IM user name + password (which i do not have). Does anybody know how to setup gaim to work as an ICQ messenger? Or is there some other icq client in debian that supports the new protocol? tia, Andreas
Re: 2 GB limit with ext2
On Sat, 2001-11-17 at 10:45, Osamu Aoki wrote: In woody: $ man 5 apt_preferences Ahhh, thanks! Andreas
Re: 2 GB limit with ext2
On Fri, 2001-11-16 at 20:33, Emil Pedersen wrote: Oh, and testing would probably do just fine. For my normal work machine I use a testing enhanced potato. apt-0.5.4 let you keep one default release but gives you the abbility to hand pick things from testing. Very neat. I also use it (apt-get source/dpkg-buildpackage) to get testing packages compiled to my system, that if installed the standard way would have dragged in to much other new packages. It doesn't always work, but most of the times. Well worth a try... I have heard that apt supports this now for a while, but never found out how to set it up and how to use it. Does anybody have any pointers? tia, Andreas
tomcat 4 and debian
Hi, I hope this is not offtopic on this list. I was wandering why there are no debs for tomcat 4 in debian. It has been released in september and and I heard a lot of good things about it. Are there specific reasons not to include it, or has it just not yet been packaged? tia, Andreas
Re: tomcat 4 and debian
On Sun, 2001-11-11 at 05:39, hanasaki wrote: I use it with jdk1.4B3. deb's would be nice but if you really want it. It is a 20 sec install. But it does not depend on jdk1.4, does it? (btw, are there debs for that? :) Hmm, I only installed tomcat 3.2 on a redhat box from tgz. The debs are much nicer integrated into debian, use jikes for compiling jsp (which is muchmuchmuchmuchmuchmuch faster. So I would really prefere some tomcat 4 debs... btw, have you had any problems converting existing webapps to tomcat 4 (if you did so :)? tia, Andreas PS: who is enjoying his brand new anti-aliased gnome desktop (thanks to gdkxft), and is just compiling mozilla with the gdkxft patch (;
ATI AIW Radeon and TV-OUT/IN
Hi, I have a ATI All in Wonder Radeon card and I am using Debian unstable. There are pieces of docs all around the net, saying a lot of different things. Has anybody succeeded to get the above combination work with TV-Out or TV-IN ? Currently I don't even know whether I have to use bttv drivers or not. It's all a bit fuzzy. Sometime I read there are ati drivers for the radeon, other docs say the AIW has to use the bttv drivers (for IN). please help me find the light, (; Andreas
Re: ATI AIW Radeon and TV-OUT/IN
On Thu, 2001-11-08 at 18:54, Shaya Potter wrote: I have one, haven't played around with it getting to work. you don't want bttv driver (as it doesn't use that chip). cool, thanks! look at www.linuxvideo.org for what you need. tried their ati tgz for X 4.1.0 (which i use), but it only crashed X serverly rendering the machine unresponsive ): Andreas
Re: single partition worst-case scenarios
On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 12:28, Aurelio Turco wrote: If I install Debian on a single partition, what is the worst that can happen, in the following two cases (the two most cited justifications for having multiple partitions): 1: A runaway root process fills up the disk. (Will I not be able to get in as root and kill the offending process?) Even if you have several partitions, a root process should be able to access all of them. So there should be no difference if you have only one partition or several. 2: The filesystem becomes damaged. (Will I not be able run from a rescue floppy and repair the damage from there?) Yep. But chances are high, that even if you have several partitions and one get's damaged, you still won't be able to boot. And with only one partition, you still can insert the install disk, enter the shell and try to repair (fsck) the partition. regards, Andreas
Re: single partition worst-case scenarios
On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 14:03, Adam Warner wrote: I like to have two partitions: one for my data (/home) and one for everything else (and a third for the swap file, and a physically different hard disks for backups). Such a small number of partitions might make me a heretic :-) There are clear advantages to this setup: 1. I can backup/restore the entire operating system partition without losing my data. 2. I can reformat and reinstall the operating system without losing my data. If possible it's always a good idea to separate the OS and your data. I bet if you had to choose between losing your data or having to reinstall your OS you'd go for the latter. Your single partition worst-case scenario is if you reinstall/format the OS partition forgetting that some of your own data also resides on the partition. Separating data (along with user settings) and programs is simple in Unix-like environments. Symbolic links are your friend. Yep, the idea is good. But in practice how much space do you give /home ? I hate it when I ran out of disk space, even though there would be plenty. If you are talking about dedicated servers, that's another issue, there you probably know what partition will need how much data. But for my private workstation, where I like to experiment and shuffle things around ... Andreas
imap mail
Hi, I hope this is not too offtopic here. I have now successfully set up a cyrus imap/exim based mail server using debian testing for my personal use. The goal is to use this server as my main mail archive. And there are lot's of mails in there, most come from mailing lists. Now, I have done some work to create a filter system for incomming mails that will dispatch the mails automatically into defined folders (for mailing list mails). That was a little harder that expected, because cyrus_deliver needs to be run as cyrus, whereas the .forward is examined as the regular user. But in the end sudo was my friend. Now, I have done away with a ultra huge inbox, because all list mail get's dispatched, but still some list archives (like this one) get huge over time. A cool addition to my system would be to have some kind of cron job that searches for mails that are older than a certain timespan and move them to a different folder. Given that my current folder layout looks like this (it is bigger in reallity, but the below suffices for the demonstration purpose): INBOX lists lists.debian lists.debian.user lists.debian.news It would check each folder and if mail was found that was of a certain age, it would put it in a sub-folder. The result could look like this: INBOX INBOX.jan-jul-2001 INBOX.jul-dez-2000 INBOX.jan-jul-2000 lists lists.debian lists.debian.user lists.debian.user.jan-jul-2001 lists.debian.user.jul-dez-2001 lists.debian.user.jan-jul-2000 lists.debian.news lists.debian.user.jan-jul-2001 lists.debian.user.jul-dez-2001 lists.debian.user.jan-jul-2000 The script should automatically create folders if they are not there yet. Now what is the best/simplest way to do it. I was thinking about using some imap binding for python (i think there is one) and doing such a script myself. but hey, maybe s.th. similar is already out there. Any ideas? tia, Andreas
Re: utility to display syslog on tty8?
On Mon, 2001-10-22 at 11:06, David Raeker-Jordan wrote: Aaron Hall wrote: I do much the same thing with my logs, but I filter them through a script that adds ANSI color to the output, which adds value both aesthetic (it looks cool) and practical (easy to spot unusual occurances). I use the colorize script; there are others. I would be interested in seeing that script. Where can one get the colorize script? apt-get install colorize (; Andreas PS: Just installed it it's neat. Thanks for the hint
sound in gnome
Hi, on my sid machine (totally recent, except for the new mozilla packages from today), I never managed to get the gnome sounds working. esd is up and running, mpg321 -o esd, and a lot of other apps all play sound without a problem (I am using the std. kernel oss drivers). But gnome never plays a sound. Even if I go into the control-center, click on the sounds tab and ask it to play one of the event sounds manually, i get nothing to hear. Anybody knows what could be wrong? tia, Andreas PS: Btw, what is the best way to filter debian mailing list mails? There seem to be mails with various header fields indicating the list (X-Mailing-List, ...)
AW: ipmasq support in potato kernel
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. August 2001 14:37 An: debian-user@lists.debian.org Betreff: ipmasq support in potato kernel --- Received from FPU.SHEPHD 799 3663 23-08-01 13:27 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Received from FPU.SHEPHD 799 3663 23-08-01 13:16 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All I'm trying to get IP masquerading working on my Debian 2.2r3 box. I won't go into all the details yet, but I'm wondering if any of the 'standard' kernels have support built in. (I haven't been brave enough to compile my own kernel yet) At present I'm using the standard 2.2.18pre21, does anyone have ipmasq working with this or any other of the precompiled images? Or do I _have_ to compile my own? Yesterday I set up a 2.2r1 box, upgraded to woody and set it up (with firestarter) to do masquerading. I set up a client to use the new machine as a gateway and it worked out of the box. Only then I read that the kernel that comes with 2.2 does not support masquerading my default and that I have to roll my own. Which kind of surprised me, since my box seemed to work. Does anybody know if I did something _wrong_, because it works (maybe the other/old gateway still does the job and I misconfigured something), or does the standard kernel support masquerading? Thanks in advance, Andreas PS: Box is Pentium 166, Kernel is default install Kernel from the official CDs, not changed when upgrading to woody.
postgresql 7.1 in testing and libpgjava
Hi, I just tried to upgrade from postgresql 7.0 to 7.1. I dumped the databases ,purged postgresql and installed the new 7.1 packages. For some reason I could not connect to it via JDBC, according to the config file tcp/ip connections were enabled. It gave me an exception telling me that the user postgres could not authenticate. Could it be that the libpgjava (7.0.2-3) in testing cannot be used with postgresql 7.1? Many thanks in advance, Andreas PS: I am not completely sure if this is the right mailing list, please tell me if I am at the wrong address.
AW: jdk 1.3
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Olivier Bourgeois [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 10. August 2001 12:22 An: Kalle Hasselström Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Betreff: Re: jdk 1.3 Hi, personally I'm using blackdown jdk version 1.3.1 . It is supplied as a debian package. I added this to my sources.list : deb ftp://ftp.oleane.net/pub/java-linux/debian potato non-free You should take a look at the mirrors list : http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html I did the same thing on my potato box, additionally I pulled tomcat from testing. The default setup for tomcat is to use jikes as a java compiler for the JSPs. I compile my servlets with the blackdown version from above. Just wandering if I get myself in trouble with this mix. I did not have any problems yet, except that I had to convince jikes to understand German Umlauts. Anyway the speedgain using jikes instead of Suns javac is incredible !!! Regards, Andreas