major problem with gnome-games dependency
I work at a government laboratory where computer games are prohibited. I also use the gnome desktop. When I try to remove gnome-games apt wanst to remove gnome because gnome depends on gnome-games. This is really a show-stopper for government use of Linux. Also, I would think that the dependency should work the other way: gnome-games should depend on gnome. Art Edwards -- Arthur H. Edwards Senior Research Physicist Air Force Research Laboratory AFRL/VSSE Bldg. 914 3550 Aberdeen Ave. SE KAFB, NM 87117-5776 (505) 853-6042 (O) (505) 463-6722 (C) (505) 846-2290 (F) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: major problem with gnome-games dependency
I want to thank all of you for responding. I'm quoting here a response I gave to an off-line communication because I thought it might be germane to the discussion. I have expanded my response a little. I have removed gnome, gnome-desktop-environment and gnome-games with no apparent side effects. However, there were a number of KDE games that I had to remove by hand (Yes, I had both KDE and gnome on the machine). The workings of meta packages are very interesting and, in the end, very clean, if you are initiated (as I am beginning to be). I would just point out that if Debian is targeting scientists and engineers with limited time, and some, but not burning, curiosity about installation, that you spend a little time thinking about how to make meta packages transparent at installation. As a layman's recommendation, it might be nice to have a gnome installation dialog that asked you to check the components you want for installation, similar to the task selection on the (old?) debian installer. Some care would be required so that this had a human level of detail. For example, you might have tasks, such as mail, office, games, network (or, perhaps, browser). This would always be imperfect, but it would obviate the need for gnome-without-games or gnome-without-evolution, etc. Art Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work at a government laboratory where computer games are prohibited. I also use the gnome desktop. When I try to remove gnome-games apt wanst to remove gnome because gnome depends on gnome-games. This is really a show-stopper for government use of Linux. Also, I would think that the dependency should work the other way: gnome-games should depend on gnome. I worked at a government laboratory where computer games were prohibited. We used Debian there; it behaved exactly the same way. Strangely, it didn't cause us a problem. The reason it didn't is because when you remove gnome-games, apt does *not* try to remove the GNOME desktop. Instead, it tries to remove the meta-package gnome, which is not the same thing. You may want to google this list's archives on what meta-packages are and how they work. Cheers, -c P.S. The meta-package gnome's dependence upon the (meta?) package gnome-games is perfectly sane, given what meta-packages are for. -- Arthur H. Edwards Senior Research Physicist Air Force Research Laboratory AFRL/VSSE Bldg. 914 3550 Aberdeen Ave. SE KAFB, NM 87117-5776 (505) 853-6042 (O) (505) 463-6722 (C) (505) 846-2290 (F) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: system hangs for kernel 2.6.6
To all: Apparently I didn't cc the group. Thanks for all the messages. IN desparation, I did a dist-upgrade. After that the kernel loaded without incident. I hadn't upgraded for about two years (it's a node on a cluster). Thanks again. Art Edwards On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 04:17:25PM -0600, Arthur H. Edwards wrote: My system hangs at the message Setting up general console font... Has anyone seen this? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Art -- Art Edwards Senior Research Physicist Air Force Research Laboratory Electronics Foundations Branch KAFB, New Mexico (505) 853-6042 (v) (505) 846-2290 (f) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Art Edwards Senior Research Physicist Air Force Research Laboratory Electronics Foundations Branch KAFB, New Mexico (505) 853-6042 (v) (505) 846-2290 (f) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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system hangs for kernel 2.6.6
My system hangs at the message Setting up general console font... Has anyone seen this? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Art -- Art Edwards Senior Research Physicist Air Force Research Laboratory Electronics Foundations Branch KAFB, New Mexico (505) 853-6042 (v) (505) 846-2290 (f) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: printing problem (mozilla 100% CPU)
Just FYI, Netscape does not have the same problem. This is surprising, as they come from the same code tree. Has there been any progress here? Art Edwards On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 09:16:55PM -0500, Ralph Katz wrote: Patrick, It's a bug. #213004: Mozilla runs away with CPU usage and freezes when trying to print http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=213004 My solution was to use Mozilla-Firebird, which is a nicer browser as well. Happy printing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Strong encryption in Mozilla
Does the Debian version of Mozilla support strong (128 bit) encryption? I'm using Mozilla from the testing distribution. Art Edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lost adobe fonts in Mozilla
I just upgraded to testing and lost the adobe fonts in Mozilla. How do I get them back? Art Edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
base64 translation
I'm trying to decode an applefile ppt that is in base64 coding. I have read that there is a utility base64-decode that might work? Because packages is down, can someone tell me the appropriate package(s) to read? Thanks Art Edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Very wierd behavior on new nodes
Under the 2.4.19 kernel, it depends on whether the job was spauned using mpi. If I start it on the node, it does not kill communications. If I start it from a head node, I can still ping. I have only tried the 2.2 kernel job as a stand-alone. There it exits quite gracefully with exit 139. Do you know what exit 139 is? Art Edwards Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 22:48, Arthur H. Edwards,1,505-853-6042,505-256-0834 wrote: I'm having monumental difficulty getting a new set of PC's working. I had been installing a 2.4.19 kernel with debian on a MB with a via chip set, and athlon XP2100, a promise ide system. Debian semms to install correctly. However, when running large fortran jobs (under g77-3.2), the system would either die immedieately, or start running and then die. When I say die I mean that I can't login. I have backed off to a 2.2.20 kernel and g77 2.95. Now the program dies with an exit 139, but the system stays up. Can't login because your fortran program is taking too much CPU? Can you still ping the box from another node? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Very wierd behavior on new nodes
I'm having monumental difficulty getting a new set of PC's working. I had been installing a 2.4.19 kernel with debian on a MB with a via chip set, and athlon XP2100, a promise ide system. Debian semms to install correctly. However, when running large fortran jobs (under g77-3.2), the system would either die immedieately, or start running and then die. When I say die I mean that I can't login. I have backed off to a 2.2.20 kernel and g77 2.95. Now the program dies with an exit 139, but the system stays up. What is an exit 139? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
libgtk1.2 and libgtk1.2-common
During a dist-upgrade apt-get failed to replace libgtk1.2-common because it couldn't overwrite /usr/share/locale/az/LC_MESSAGES/gtk+.mo because it is also part of the libgtk1.2 package. Do I have to remove libgtk1.2 and reinstall libgtk1.2-common first? If I do alot of other packages get killed too. Any suggestions? Art Edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ispell
After a testing dist-upgrade I lost ispell. The entire directory /usr/lib/ispell is gone. I have tried installing, removing and installing, purging and installing. So far nothing has worked. Suggestions welcome Art Edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recent upgrade killed my laptop keyboard
I'm running an ACER 342T under potato. I just did a dist-upgrade with ximian and debian in my sources path. Aftward, when the machine came up in gnome my keyboard was useless. I couldn't even use ctrl-alt-f2 to get a console. Has anyone else had this problem? Art Edwards
USB in 2.2.19 kernel
I am trying to install USB support in the 2.2.19 kernel. I have a Belkin busport USB PCI card. I have built the kernel with the usb-uhci module. When I try an insmod I get the following error. theory:/lib/modules/2.2.19/usb# modprobe usb-uhci /lib/modules/2.2.19/usb/usb-uhci.o: init_module: Device or resource busy Hint: this error can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.2.19/usb/usb-uhci.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.2.19/usb/usb-uhci.o failed /lib/modules/2.2.19/usb/usb-uhci.o: insmod usb-uhci failed While in /var/log/message I get Dec 16 16:12:08 theory kernel: usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.237 $ time 14:23:05 Dec 16 2001 Dec 16 16:12:08 theory kernel: usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled The error is little cryptic. Usually I have had to deal with IRQ IO problems in EISA cards Art Edwards
Re: GNOME Mail Client
Brad Burns wrote: I use Sylpheed too, and I like it. I find that Pronto is great - it can use MySQL for storing emails which makes it ideal for huge amounts of mail from losts of mailing lists. Searches are VERY fast! At the moment I am using Sylpheed, and it's very nice.. I have not settled though, since I'm more of a console type, and if I can figure out mutt, I'll probably end up on that. Thanks for all the suggestions everyone! Where does one get sylpheed? Art Edwards
Re: installing netscape
Re: SIS 900 NIC
The problem is during the install. After I install the Kernel and during the configuration of device drivers, when I try to install the sis9000 driver I get the usual error resonses insmod sis900 failed Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834 On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Rogelio E. Castillo Haro wrote: And what is exactly your problem? In the ifconfig step? Art Edwards wrote: I'm trying (very patiently) to do a network install using a system with an embedded SIS 900. I have tried to install the sis900.0 module without success. This is particularly frustrating because the card was recognized and used on the same box with the Caldera open linux distribution. Any help would be apreciated
Re: t-dsl
I'm a bit confused. On a normal dial-up I have been using PPP and do have a static IP address. If ADSL is using PPP what about DSL prevents PPP from doing the same thing? -- Arthur H. Edwards AFRL/VSSE Bldg. 914 3550 Aberdeen Ave SE KAFB, NM 87117-5776
NetGear ea201 card
I'm trying to install a netgear ea201 10Mps ethernet card on a 486 using potato. Does anyone know which driver to choose? Art Edwards -- Arthur H. Edwards AFRL/VSSE Bldg. 914 3550 Aberdeen Ave SE KAFB, NM 87117-5776
Re: Is Debian the last OS ?
Nathan E Norman wrote: On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 11:09:28PM -0600, Art Edwards wrote: > If I am right, then to keep users, you should try to update kernels in > minor releases. The kernel is upgraded in point releases when justified (an exploit for example). However, there's no way Debian can release a new major kernel revision in a point release and still call it stable (think about a "feature freeze" as to why this is the case). More to the point, there's no reason a user can't upgrade the kernel themselves! -- Nathan Norman "Eschew Obfuscation" Network Engineer GPG Key ID 1024D/51F98BB7 http://home.midco.net/~nnorman/ Key fingerprint = C5F4 A147 416C E0BF AB73 8BEF F0C8 255C 51F9 8BB7 Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature The question was "Why is Debian the last, rather than the first, distribution?" To a large degree your response is the answer. People brand new to Linux eat kernels, they don't compile them. So, if you don't want it to be the last distribution, perhaps you shouldn't expect them to compile their own kernels! So, as usual, Debian has to know itself. It IS the last distribution. It requires more than a newbie level of sophistication. It also has large rewards. If Debian decides to change so that it is more accepted by a larger audience, it should find a way to make the point releases stable with the new kernels, and it should not be so exceptionally pure about free/non-free. Regarding kernel updates, there could be two kinds of test cycles. For a point release, you keep the same packages you had with the last major release and test for stability with the current kernel and the new security patches. For the major release, you keep the current Freeze method. I would think, perhaps naively, that the point release test cycles could be more rapid than the major test cycles. -- Arthur H. Edwards AFRL/VSSE Bldg. 914 3550 Aberdeen Ave SE KAFB, NM 87117-5776
Re: current Redhat user evaluates Debian
I am a very happy convert from Red Hat via SuSE to Debian. I will give you two disadvantages that spawn others. The release dates are infrequent. Also, IMHO, the current religious war over the meaning of Free is not serving the user base. It is apparently serving some of the more devout developers. The most recent instance in which I felt a disadvantage was when I had to log into a MS server over a ppp connection. The MS server required an encrypted password before I could even start exchanging the standard PPP information. It turns out that Red Hat has something called ms-chat that would allow me to do this using Linux. I will really need this tool soon so I hope that debian can refocus more on the distribution and less on policy. Now the good things. Probably the best thing about Debian is the set of installation and upgrade tools. Also dbian package installation is, IMO, much better than the rpm method. For installation, if you have a reasonable web connection, you simply down-load five floppy images and use them to start the process. After kernel installation, you attach to the web and finishc the process. A utility called apt-get makes all upgrades effortless. You simply issue the commands apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and the utility will rebuild your entire system on the fly. Aterwards, you can upgrade the kernel. apt-get can also install individual new packages from debian ftp-sites. It is nice because it checks dependencies and brings down everything you need to install the package. My final comment is about the installation itself. I prefer debian's less automatic but more flexible installation. It makes many fewer assumptions for you. This, of course, is one users perspective. Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834 On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, John L. Fjellstad wrote: Hi, I'm a current RedHat user (started with Linux on RedHat because it was available at Fry's), and I'm currently evaluating Debian for a possible switch. Can anyone come up with a list of advantages of using Debian Linux over Redhat Linux? I would also love to hear any the weaknesses Debian has compared RedHat. Thanks, -- John__ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quis custodiet ipsos custodes icq: thales @ 17755648 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: mouse in X again
In the XF86Setup session, did you specify a three-button mouse? Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834 On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Kerstin Hoef-Emden wrote: Hi, obviously, I was too fast when saying, that the mouse works under X now. The problem I am facing: The second mouse button does not work. I cannot cut and paste. Is this perhaps caused by the entry Microsoft in section pointer of XF86Config so that XF86 thinks, I have got a 2 button mouse? Since this is a Logitech 3 button mouse. Should I perhaps choose another protocol instead of Microsoft? Regards, Kerstin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: your mail
What version of windows? Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834
Re: lilo problem (LI hang)
I had the LI problem on the first install of Linux. I believe that for me it occurred because my Linux boot partition was too far (500MB) from the master boot block. In that case, a boot floppy worked instead. Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834 On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Thomas Guettler wrote: /usr/doc/lilo/manual on Debian: LI The first stage boot loader was able to load the second stage boot loader, but has failed to execute it. This can either be caused by a geometry mismatch or by moving /boot/boot.b without running the map installer. sorry, problems with mailer, can't reply to original message -- Thomas Guettler [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.interface-business.de -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: impatient upgrage question
I had been equally cautions/timid about upbrading to a nominally unstable distribution. I have done so and , with a few minor annoyances, have been successful. Here is my sources.list # Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits # your mirror contains. # deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main contrib non-free # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs # CDROMs are managed throught the apt-cdrom tool. deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian potato main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US potato/non-US main contrib non-free Note the non-US has changed format since slink. A couple of cautions. If you have a ps/2 mouse, make sure that in /etc/XF86config it appears in lower case. Also, unless you like really BIG fonts, place the 75dpi fonts in front of the 100 dpi fonts. If you have scsi drives do not use the 2.2.15-IDE kernel. If you use fvwm2, you will have to change a few small items to make fvwm, its replacement, work well. Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834
Re: Huge font
I got help from this serve on the same problem. In /etc/X11/XF86Setup make sure the that 75dpi fonts appear before the 100dpi fonts. Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834 On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Glen Sawtell wrote: Hi, I am a new debian user and I have a problem which none of my debian-using friends have come across. It seems that some apps like netscape, GIMP, spruce etc seem to be using a large size helvetica font for the text on buttons and input fields etc. It's quite annoying and I don't think it's normal, is there a font package I am missing or something similar?. Please help. Cheers, -Glen -- Glen Sawtell - irc.t.o Project Manager http://irc.themes.org - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: xterm
You can alter the xterm box at least two ways. 1. You can create your own executable that will define the xterm. I show one of these below. #!/bin/csh -f /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -bg blue -fg white -bd white -fn -adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1 -xrm 'xterm*pointerShape: left_ptr' -xrm 'xterm*pointerColor: black' -xrm 'xterm*cursorColor: red' -sb -g 80x25+0+370 -title Stella Most of the items are self-explanatory 2. You can work with .Xdefaults and alter the standard xterm. Again, the variables are fairly self-explanatory Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834 On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, cls--colo spgs wrote: debs, in my potato box(es), my window mnager is icewm; my theme, liquid. is there a way make the xterm box a see-through (to the background or to a background image)? (in other words, do i have to use the white/gray box in xterm or could i use an image or a different color background for xterm boxes?) examples: http://icewm.themes.org/php/pic.phtml?src=shots/958844082.jpg http://icewm.themes.org/php/pic.phtml?src=themes/icewm/shots/948108418.jpg http://icewm.themes.org/php/pic.phtml?src=themes/icewm/shots/960512609.jpg i know it's not a debian-specific issue, but there may be a deb solution. ia, t. bentley taylor. // -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: setting up multi boot system
I have set up several dual-boot systems (linux-windows3.1, linux-NT, and linux-w98). If you have partition magic, I have had success shrinking the vfat partition and creating linux partitions. However, if the linux partition is far from the master boot-block, then you will, I think, need to use a boot-floppy that points to the linux partition. There is an option for this during the Debian install. The same is true if you choose to put linux on a separate disk. Understand that you cannot run the two OS's simultanesously without something like vm-ware. Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834 On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, David Dodson wrote: Hello I've never run any kind of other operating system besides windows and I was considering setting up debian on one of my workstations at the office since its the only place I have computer and internet access. I still need to keep windows and absolutely under no circumstances can I have one of these machines out of order. It'll be my job. So my question is, is it realistic to partition my drive and set up debian and what not and still expect to be able to use windows even if something weird is going on with debian? I would think that you would get an option on which drive to boot from before either operating system is being used right? Probably a stupid question but I couldn't find an answer anywhere else. Kindest Regards -David Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: General Resolution. Copied and Pasted Message from Developers Archive
I guess we have all been stewing over this. One unintended result may be that Debian will look as though it is strong-arming people in non-free to accept the GNU-idea of free software. That is, Change to our licensing agreement or we will dump you from the Debian site. It must be understood that, whether intended or not, Debian is a huge presence in the Linux community. It is influential and it should be respectful of its influence in ways that, say Microsoft, is not of theirs. Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834 On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: The following is a message that I grabbed from the archives of developers' list, the ones with the power of vote about this or any other resolution. There are ideas here that are worth reading, so I decided to post it. Since it is in public domain, I hope Manoj doesn't mind. Antonio. %%% * %%*** %%% * Hi, So far, we have always packages ``All the packages fit to package''. The only criteria has been that we be legally allowed to package software, and that some one finds it useful enough to spend the effort packaging it. Indeed, when we could not distribute the binaries, we created sourece only packages, or installer packages. It was, IMHO, a judicious mix of free software evengelism, and one of creating the *BEST* distribution, with all the useful software we could package. I could almost always find any software available out there already packaged for debian. We were the inclusive distribution, and we showed our comitment to free software by only bundling free software on our CD's, and our commitment to useful distribution and our social contract by packaging and supporting the other software that did not meet our guidelines but was useful to our users. I like the fact we can cater to people who like free software (never put non-free in your apt sources), as well as to people who just want a useful distribution -- and we can, gently, try to win them over to free alternatives wehre such exist. We offer a choice, we do not impose. We evangelize, we do not force. Those who think this does not help Debian obviously have not really thought it through. This GR is disturbin. It throws away the promises made in the social contract. It is exclusionary. It reduces the utility of Debian to a number of users, and thus would marginalize us into a non entity. And it makes us committed to the free distribution, as opposed to the best free distribution. I am not convinced that this is a good idea. manoj -- As I was passing Project MAC, I met a Quux with seven hacks. Every hack had seven bugs; Every bug had seven manifestations; Every manifestation had seven symptoms. Symptoms, manifestations, bugs, and hacks, How many losses at Project MAC? Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Think-and-do fonts in potato
I have upgraded three computers to potato (2.2.15). On two of them, a laptop and a desktop, fonts for Netscape and other applications have gotten BIG. I have done some searching to no avail. Has anyone had similar experiences? What did you do? Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834
Re: Libré Software universities? (USA or Canada)
Where is out here? There are universities that use UNIX platforms, and most of these have GNU software. For what it is worth, I was on Faculty at a State University in Charlotte, North Carolina (that should be specific enough) for ten years in the engineering school. They had built a remarkably large network based on sun-solaris boxes running afs. I chaired the computer committee and saw, first hand, how a fearful faculty can destroy innovation. The standard complaint was the the unix was not preparing our students for the working world. Of course this was nonsense. But the consistent complaining led to the introduction of large NT labs at the expense of the UNIX side. We had a system admin in CS that put together a really beautiful lab filled with Linux boxes (yes, debian) that were connected to sun servers. The result was very inexpensive machines that ran the sun-based applications like FrameMaker faster than the sun boxes did and were dual boot to satisfy the NT-weenies. However, the sitting faculty seemed not up to the task of learning how to use them, so the idea never left the CS department. At any rate, I'm fairly sure that you could use free software in any of the really valuable CS courses there. Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834
Re: help!!!!!!
The responses you have received are correct, though a little unforgivving. I started with other distributions that had nominaly easier installations but switched to Debian because of its continued flexibility. Take very seriously the use of this and other lists (including the bug-list). They are typically much more responsive than telephone numbers. I have posted questions and have had answers within 15 minutes (best case) and within, say, one day (worst case). You will need to be very specific. Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834 On Mon, 29 May 2000, John Archuleta wrote: To Whom It May Concern, I recently purchased your version of linux, but am having trouble installing it. I was hoping you had tech support that could walk me through it. I would appreciate it if you could send me this phone number. Thanks! Sincerely, John A. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Problems with TeTex
I had this problem also. There is a fixed version in proposed updates. I compiled from sources and had no problem. Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834
Re: Second Best - was Re: Best Hardware
MTC Linux gives the best of all worlds as long as Debian thrives. With all the new distros with 'EASY' (read restrictive) installations that are targeted to new users we will get more driver and software support. Debian will allow us to have maximal control over our systems because it does not include a terminal GUI. Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834 On Sun, 28 May 2000, Rob Lilley wrote: Bart Szszka wrote: Well see, that's what I mean. There's hardware that is great on Windows, but there just aren't any drivers for it in Linux. Or sometimes the second best hardware for Windows ends up being the best option for Linux simply because the drivers are more complete. I had never thought of it like that but Bart is right. Many of us using Linux would be producing drivers for cheaper and therefore, older equipment. This is because Linux and it's users have not been franchised like those using Microsoft. Microsoft has a vast corporate base buying it's products. Therefore, hardware vendors have been writing for or bundling Bill's OS in with their products. Till now. I am switching our LAN at work from Windows NT 4 to Debian Linux with the help of one of the Debian gurus. I am lucky I work for a company that affords me the opportunity to build a server from scratch with no monetary restrictions. As more of us do this, more drivers will be written for the newer, more expensive hardware beyond the reach of the average home Linux user. Hardware companies will want to insure drivers are available for Linux because of Linux's growing popularity. But I think it is a tribute to Linux that it is growing, not with corporate bucks and big equipment - but with people who know their stuff and not motivated by money. The best equipment, well, it's the stuff within reach that gets the job done. Lets face it, there is something in the fact that Linux *will* run on a 386. Try that with Windows NT! Just my two cents. Rob
