Re: Ubuntu to Debian
I did the switcheroo with an apt-get update and an apt-get dist-upgrade. I had to kill/dispose of a few packages and reload them, but (thanks to dselect pointing out obsolete packages) it wasn't all that difficult. A final cleansing using debfoster, a replacement kernel to get rid of the malfunctioning initrd, and I'm happy with my install. Ah, it's good to be back on proper Debian ground. Thanks all! Brooks On 1/11/06, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 08:03, Kent West wrote: snip As I understand it, Brooks, Ubuntu is close enough to Debian that a conversion is possible. Yes, edit your sources.list and do an update/dist-upgrade; you may have to uninstall some stuff along the way and then reinstall it.Ubuntu recompiles many Debian packages and changes the dependencies but not the package versions or library sonames.This means thatduring an Ubuntu-Debian dist-upgrade apt may think a Debianpackage is already in place when you still have the Ubuntu version.Since it's a new install, and you have nothing to lose, just go for it. The worst that can happen is that you'll cause some sort of time-space implosion and destroy the universe as we know it. But it'll probably go a lot smoother than that. Not a problem if you have your towel.--Mike Bird
Ubuntu to Debian
Greetings oh most knowledgeable list, I recently purchased a new fancy schmancy Dell a couple of months ago, and I have been delinquent in installing Linux on it. So, I recently purchased an additional hard drive and attempted to put Debian on it (as God intended). Sarge didn't want to recognize my hardware and Sid just plain crapped out. I tried to do a Knoppix install, but I don't like their one big partition methodology. I ended up putting the base server install of Ubuntu 5.10 The Breezy Badger on it (which was also quite the pain the the keester, for the record I hate initrd). So I have a semi-usable system, finally accomplished last night. Now for the question: Can I, without too much heartburn, upgrade my install the Etch or Sid? Is it as simple as changing my sources.list, doing and apt-get update and an apt-get dist-upgrade? I'm sure I'll end up with a bunch of cruft, but I'd rather be on Debian proper than Ubuntu. Any thoughts would be helpful. Please CC me as I am not on the list. Thanks, Brooks
Woody to Sarge potential thread issue
Greetings, I am moving a server from Woody to Sarge that has some custom software on it for a time clock system that interacts with Postgresql. I am starting with a fresh hardware and a recent install of Sarge. This time clock software is threaded so that each time clock interacts with the same daemon, but it splits off a thread to service each clock. Under Woody, I see each thread as a separate process under top, but I'm not seeing this same thing under Sarge. Is this normal, or do I have more problems that I realize? System under Woody: debian:~$ uname -a Linux debian.chanceind.com 2.4.26 #1 Fri Jun 18 10:00:33 CDT 2004 i686 unknown debian:~$ gcc -v Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4/specs gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease) System under Sarge: debian2:~$ uname -a Linux debian2 2.6.11.7 #1 SMP Fri Apr 29 14:32:09 CDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux debian2:~$ gcc -v Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/specs Configured with: ../src/configure -v --enable-languages=c,c++,java,f77,pascal,objc,ada,treela ng --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --with-gx x-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/3.3 --enable-shared --enable-__cxa_atexit --w ith-system-zlib --enable-nls --without-included-gettext --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-debug --enable-java-gc=boehm --enable-java-awt=xlib --enable-objc- gc i486-linux Thread model: posix gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12) Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Brooks -- Brooks R. Robinson, CPA, MBA, MSCS Controller/ERP Systems Admin Chance Rides Manufacturing, Inc. 4219 Irving Wichita, Kansas 67207 Work: (316)945-6555x2632 Cell: (316)841-5999 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Woody to Sarge potential thread issue
| This is in fact correct, it has got to do with the new threading model | called NPTL (Native POSIX Thread Library) that is now used if kernel 2.6 | is present. Under this new model threads are classed as Lightweight | Processes (LWP) and ps only shows them if you use it with the -L or H | (i.e. ps aux -L or ps auxH). Cool! Thanks! Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: sarge freeze, server colocation
| I am about to colocate a debian server and now I don't know if I | should install woody or sarge. | I'll be colocating it in 1-3 weeks. I am thinking that I should | probably use sarge. | Any advice? I'm doing something very similar, and I chose to use Sarge. If you are nervous about it, contact the package maintainers for the top used or purpose packages and ask them about the release status. E.g., I asked the postgresql maintenance team about the release of postgresql since I am doing this for a database server. Also, do want to do a whole install and then have to upgrade it in a couple of weeks. Save yourself some headaches and go Sarge now. My $0.37, but YMMV, Brooks -- Brooks R. Robinson, CPA, MBA, MSCS Controller/ERP Systems Admin Chance Rides Manufacturing, Inc. 4219 Irving Wichita, Kansas 67207 Work: (316)945-6555x2632 Cell: (316)841-5999 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [~OT] tax program for linux
| Anal retentive? No, just getting *my* money back from the government. | It's called owning a house and getting deductions that are due. Buy one, | you might like it. | | I don't think Paul meant anything by it. The original poster sounded as | though he were a student or other young limited-income person, in | which case | a 1040EZ would make perfect sense. | | On the other hand, my accountant just called to tell me the size of my | return. Using a CPA is undoubtedly the most expensive route, but you get | what you pay for. Greetings, As a CPA (not in public practice), I find that Turbo Tax does a fairly adequate job of asking all the right questions. It should work well for a large portion of the population. I haven't, and wouldn't, recommend buying any more than the basic version, with the exception of getting a state return out of the deal, but my state (Kansas, Jayhawks all the way in the Final Four) has such a simple state return, it's not worth it there either. It does fall short on a number of issues though that can get kind of hairy. I have used it myself for the past 5 or so years without too much complaint. This year is an exception. I will not use it next year for all the spyware/limitation issues (not sure what I'm going to do). On a side note, I dual boot my box with lilo, and I didn't have any problems with my MBR. As for a CPA, make sure that an actual CPA looks over your return and signs off on it. It's real easy to hire cheap, temporary, semi-trained labor to do the returns. Make absolutely sure you get what you pay for. IMHO, Brooks -- Brooks R. Robinson, BBA, MBA, CPA Accounting Manager/ERP Systems Admin Chance Rides Manufacturing, Inc. 4219 Irving Wichita, Kansas 67207 Work: (316)945-6555x2632 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [~OT] tax program for linux
| This year I'm trying something radical: all the forms and instructions | are available on irs.gov. I figured if I could install Debian, I should | be able to work through the tax instructions. It's sort of like using | the command line instead of a GUI. You answer all the same questions | and you get the same output. | | The primary advantage of programs like Turbo-Tax is printing out | the forms with your data typed in. I have always done my own taxes | using some Lotus templates I made to fit my own situation, but for the | last few years I have used Turbo-Tax to print it out. I use my own | calculations to check Turbo-Tax (and vice versa), but the time savings | over copying the data by hand to the IRS forms and proof reading the | result is worth it to me. Greetings, There are fill-in pdf's available on the IRS website, so that you can type the data in rather than hand-writing it. They don't calculate or anything, but it makes it cleaner. If I were a little more industrious, I'd figure out how to automagically get spreadsheet data to auto-fill in the fill-in pdf's. But that's a project for when I'm really bored. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: testing migration
| I expected to see all sorts of messages here about difficulties with | testing after the migration of glibc 2.3.1-14. | | Hardly anything, though. | | I've been holding back from the upgrade till things settle down. | | Are there any brave souls who went ahead and upgraded and have the | time to do a quick report of how it went? Greetings, I haven't had any problems, but I had a thought. If you're paranoid about problems going to testing, could you not upgrade to sid/unstable and then downgrade to sarge/testing (i.e. change your sources.conf file). After that, you could let sarge/testing catch up to where your box is after a few days/weeks until you've settled into a full sarge/testing package set. Just a thought, but it seems feasible... HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Installing Debian on a Proliant DL380
I cant seem to get Debian to see the hard drives. I have a Smart Array controller and that is setup correctly but I cant get Debian to see it. Any Suggestions? Look for a module under Block Devices for something about Compaq Smart Array. Load the module. Debian will see what volumes you have defined on the array... HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ATI Rage 128
| I'm encountering a few problems with this product - on two different | machines (with the same kind of video card) | | In MODCONF, there's an option for framebuffers. If I choose to install | the Rage 128 - my screen goes nuts. If I memorized the keystrokes, I | can remove the framebuffer module and get my display back - otherwise | it's reinstall time. | | Why is this happening to me - and do I need/want the framebuffer module | anyway? | | Daniel I have an ATI All-in-wonder 128 with the rage 128 chip. If you roll your own kernel try adding in CONFIG_FB_ATY128=y (under character devices ATI Rage 128) and adding something along the lines of append=video=aty128fb:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to lilo. This will give you a decent resolution. Otherwise, put vga=ask in your lilo and follow the prompts to figure out what to replace the ask with. On another machine I use vga=0x0314 to get a 800x600 display. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
auto login virtual terminal
Greetings, When I do some programming, I like to login to several virtual terminals, so I can compile without exiting [1]nano, read a man page, view other code, etc. Is there a somewhat safe way to login to several vt's at once from say a script? Thanks, Brooks 1. Yes, I said nano, get over it. I don't see anything in vi or emacs that buys me anything good for programming in c. I've been doing since 1997, I won't change my mind. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: columbia -- what really happened
| How the US can justify spending so much money on Space while 33 million US | citizens live below the poverty line amazes me. The ideology of capitalism puts people with money into power. Benevolent as the may want to be, power corrupts, and they are corrupted by power. From this point of view, the impoverished only have themselves to blame. The impoverished should go get jobs or an education, then jobs. It does not occur to those in power to aid in education, but to cut it. Those in power are, to a certain extent, educated and no longer require education. It's their money and they can spend it how they choose (after all it is capitalism). There are potential economies of scale and new opportunities to make money to be had from space. What better way than to get to those potentials than by getting your government (which you control) to pay you to get to do it! Space shuttles are expensive and you can share the burden with your fellow man. I can suck those tax dollars into my own coffers and still get the space research I desire. It's a win win situation. As hard as they try, putting a socialist blanket over capitalism will never work. There will be class warfare sooner or later, the question is when. The only thing those of us stuck somewhere in the middle can hope for, is that the research paid for by our government accidentally stumbles upon that magic energy formula, bringing us into the Stak Trek economy. Randomly ranting, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Download installed .debs??
| How do I re-download copies installed .deb packages that are already on | my system? apt-get won't download a package that is already installed. IIRC, apt-move creates a local mirror of the packages installed on a particular machine. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Curious...Are most of you in tech-related careers/schooling?
| I wonder if all (or most) of you are in similar careers and that is | why you are so proficient with compiling and testing and tweaking | all of this stuff. Or is it just a hobby that has gone on for so | long that you have advanced your knowledge of Linux/Debian to these | levels that all of you are at? | | Just curious... Well, yes and no. I have sort of a round about computer history. I got my first computer when I was 10, a TI-99/4A -- that should date me properly, and I liked it a lot. I got a Commodore 128 a few years later and learned assembly. I went to college to become a musician and later sold out my art for money, I changed to a business major. Got BBA and an MBA, I'm also a CPA. I'm addicted to college, so I came back to computing and am working on a MS in CS with 9 hours to go! I've been on debian since bo, and I like to program in plain old C (if you can't do it in C, it can't or shouldn't be done). I work as an accountant/systems admin for a manufacturing company. Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Curious...Are most of you in tech-related careers/schooling?
| That doesn't sound at all like the Brooks Robinson I'm familiar with | /baseball joke... Well the story goes like this Circa 1968/1969 my (then 10 year old) brother was watching a marvelous third baseman. He turns to my mother and asks that if she has another child, could they name it Brooks. My mother, having just had, what she thought was definitely her last child (at least that is what the doctor had told her), said Of course. Low and behold a short while later, she found herself in a motherly way. My brother, having remembered a pseudo-promise, piped up when it came to names; and my mother acquiesced. The moral of the story is don't promise anything to your 10 year old that you don't want to live with. Except for telling this same story about a bazillion times, I like my name just fine. Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: jigdo iso bootable?
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 02:21:23PM -0600, Lance Hoffmeyer wrote: I just created an ISO with jigdo-lite. Are jigdo created iso's bootable? If they are official isos, then they should be bootable. Each disk has a different kernel to boot with. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: doom
On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 06:30:14PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: Anyone get the doom package working? I'm having sound problems with OSS (like there isn't any sound). apt-get install lxdoom lxdoom-sndserv lxdoom-x11 lxdoom -width 640 -height 400 -iwad ./Doom/DOOM.WAD I tried that, but I don't have a full doom.wad on this machine, so I used the demo one from debian. I have the disks around here someplace... But no sound. I'm not familiar with OSS, but check out ~/.lxdoom/boom.cfg. There is a line like: sounddev /dev/dsp You may need to change it to a different device... HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate
On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 10:46:12AM -0600, Sonny Kupka wrote: I have ntpdate installed on woody.. and it's not automagically keeping my system in sync.. I have to run ntpdate restart manually to get the clock updated.. Anyone have a clue as to what I need to do to fix this situation? I put a follwoing in a file ntpdate in the /etc/cron.d/ to keep my system in sync: 0 0 * * * root/usr/sbin/ntpdate -u -b time.nist.gov This updates every day at midnight... HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Modem dials without dialtone?
| | Randy Orrison writes: | | Is it likely to be just a poor modem,... | | | | Yes. My Zoom modem does it too. Very irritating. | | Anyone have any ideas whether it can be fixed via a setting, or | recommend an external hardware modem available at a reasonable price in | the UK that won't dial if it doesn't have a dial tone? | | Thanks! It can be fixed with a setting. I don't remember off the top of my head, but I recall doing so back in the day... (I also had to get a modem to purposely dial without tone!!) Check the modem documentation for one of those lovely commands. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: putty logout hang
| Hi, | Whenever I login to my woody server and run a command | and place it in the background, I can't logout from the putty | window properly. | For example: | I'll use putty (ssh), login and run an rsync command over the network. | (This command may take 10 minutes) | So I ^Z it, and then bg it to the background. | I then use the exit command and I logout but the putty window hangs. | | If I don't have background commands running everything is fine. | | Anyone else have this problem? | Its not really a big deal, just wondering if this is putty thing or what. | | Thanks | Mike I think that it's an (ba)sh/ssh(d)/init thing. When you kill off the connection, your child processes should chain up so that eventually init should adopt them and take care of them until they die. However, I don't think that ssh(d) is doing it's job and orphaning them for init to adopt. I haven't tried any other windows ssh clients to see if this is true or not. Otherwise putty isn't making a clean connection as other have said. HTH, Brooks -- Brooks R. Robinson, BBA, MBA, CPA Accounting Manager/ERP Systems Admin Chance Rides Manufacturing, Inc. 4219 Irving Wichita, Kansas 67207 Work: (316)945-6555x2632 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: pthreads man pages not in Debian 3.0r0?
| So, anyone knows where are the pthreads man pages? IIRC, there are none. apt-get install glibc-doc file:///usr/share/doc/glibc-doc/html/chapters_34.html#SEC670 HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Intel Pro/100 S Dual Port NIC and Linux
Greetings, Here is a sampling of my pci data for comparison. In my kernel config, I have CONFIG_NET_PCI=y and CONFIG_EEPRO100=y. What I find odd about your setup is that the IRQ for the two ports are different. On mine they are both on IRQ 11, but you seem to have one on IRQ 10 and one of IRQ 5. Off the cuff, I think you may have a bad card. HTH, Brooks /proc/pci: Bus 2, device 4, function 0: Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 5). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=66. Min Gnt=8.Max Lat=56. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0x4020 [0x40200fff]. I/O at 0x1000 [0x101f]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0x4000 [0x400f]. Bus 2, device 5, function 0: Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (#2) (rev 5). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=66. Min Gnt=8.Max Lat=56. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0x4030 [0x40300fff]. I/O at 0x1020 [0x103f]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0x4010 [0x401f]. lspci: 02:04.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 05) 02:05.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 05) |Bus 2, device 4, function 0: | Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 13). |IRQ 10. |Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=8.Max Lat=56. |Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe4041000 [0xe4041fff]. |I/O at 0xd000 [0xd03f]. |Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe400 [0xe401]. |Bus 2, device 5, function 0: | Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (#2) (rev | 13). |IRQ 5. |Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=8.Max Lat=56. |Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe404 [0xe4040fff]. |I/O at 0xd400 [0xd43f]. |Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe402 [0xe403]. | 02:04.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] | (rev 0d) | 02:05.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] | (rev 0d) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Intel Pro/100 S Dual Port NIC and Linux
| Is there anyone out there who is currently and successfully using the | Intel Pro/100 S Dual Port Server Adapter (NIC) with Linux. I've been | trying to get it working first under Kernel 2.4.19, then Kernel 2.4.18 | (thinking that 2.4.19 was too new and therefore not supported by the | driver on Intel's website). I haven't been able to get the whole card | working successfully. Greetings, I have a Compaq 3122 dual port ethernet adapter running on my database box here. I use the standard eepro100 drivers for it. I use a 2.4.18 custom kernel and it finds both ports just great. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Web site users, and ftp
| So, I have a few users I want to add to my web server, but I have a | question or two. | | So with apache installed, I am not sure where I should store all the web | data, previously I was storing in /var/www. | | I wan't users to be able to upload their content easily without hassle. | | Problem 1. When a user connects thorough ftp, presently they have to | change to the /var/www/users folder to upload data. This is a problem | because not only will they have trouble changing directorys, a smart | user can browse my entire server from ftp. | | Problem 2. When a user uploads a file, they have to change permissions | on that file, problem is that a lot of users, will be using Dreamweaver, | and Dreamweaver requires a Permissions extension to allow changing a | permission, I don't want to have to explain to them how to use this. | | I came from a Micro$oft enviroment where all this mentioned above was | done automaticly, is there any way to make this an automatic process to | eliminate the users calling me all the time? | | Maybe I should be putting all the web site files in the users home | directory, that would make the directory change easier, but I don't | think it will solve the permissions problem. maybe there is a way to | make the permissions in the users directory to default to 755 or | something. I have been having trouble finding these answers, if there | is a page I can read, then I will I just need to know where to look. Greetings, Let the users manage it themselves. Typically, (to avoid this very problem), users put their content into a public_html directory, such as /home/robinson/public_html. From there they can change the permissions themselves or you can give then a umask. The files are available from the web server at http://servername/~robinson. I have also done a symlink in /usr/lib/cgi-bin to a /home/robinson/cgi-bin directory to let them do cgi-bin work. Most of these setting are in the plain vanilla settings for apache. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: deleting directory
| On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 10:09:10PM -0800, ian wrote: | can an entire directory be deleted without deleting its | contents first? if | so how? | | rm -r dirname | | BE CAREFUL! I'm sure a few people can tell horror stories of having | to rebuild a box either they or some other adminluser did rm -rf / and | toasted a box... It seems to me that I've seem this recently (I don't know who to credit), but is it not written that there are two types of *nix users? Type 1: Those who have executed rm -rf / Type 2: Those who haven't yet :) Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ISPs are blocking port 445?
| Cox Cable did the same thing with port 80 soon after Code Red | struck. Yet another reason why I hate MSFT and lusers. | | At the same time, they decided to be really anal and block port | 25, too. Bah! | From the COX support pages FAQ Question: What ports do you block? Answer: We block the following TCP/IP ports at the cable modem level: 136-139 80 111 119 445 27374 25 I don't like it. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
getmail replacement
Greetings, My I.T. cohort wants to switch our email system around (mostly to start filtering spam). He's nervous about doing any kind of linux implementation because he's mostly a Microsoft junky and feels safe with those sorts of products. He wants to go to a maildrop or a domain mail set up where everything goes to one mailbox and gets sorted from there. I said, OK, I'll look into it. Well, I tried fetchmail, and I don't like how it loops things though the MTA. There were problems there I could resolve, but I need to keep this simple to get him pointed in the right direction. I tried getmail and I like it's functionality, but since it's written in python it's dead dog slow. I couldn't find anything much else that I liked. So, I decided to write something (in C of course)! The idea here is to just to a very simple fetch and use procmail to sort. Well, I've got the basic unit working, but it occurred to me that I should ask and see if there isn't anything out there that I might have missed. I would prefer something that is already debified, but I would say no to something that fits my needs that wasn't. Thanks, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mass installation on XBox (and economics)
| * martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [04-10-2002 15:14]: | If I buy an X-Box that cost $300 to make for $200, then MS `loses' | $100. If I don't buy one at all, then they lose $300. | | Where did you learn economics? | | I should resist, but sorry. | | More Xboxes sold, is more developer support, is more games, is | bigger market share, is not nice, is it? I think that this purchase would decrease market share since they are not being used for gaming and not prone to entice someone to purchase it as a game console. MS would lose (development) dollars because the XBox is being sold at a loss. It might cause further failure by giving MS a false sense that their product is selling well for it's intended design; which could in turn cause future problems when it turns out that they aren't as popular as they were led to believe. The idea that they would lose $300 from a missed sale is accurate given market saturation (no more willing buyers). IMHO, right now, at least, the market isn't even close to saturation, especially with Christmas coming up, despite the dreadful US economy. A lost sale will be picked up by another buyer. A large purchase for alternate use would get them out of the hands of a willing buyer that would make up the margin on games for MS. (The point I'm trying to make here is this... I'll eat the pan of brownies so that you don't eat them and get fat, are I so nice for doing so!?! :) Thoughts... Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Where to look up %20-like chars for use with HTML?
| I have to mask a in a URL (HTML 4.01 Transitional, text/html; | charset=utf-8) that pointing to a CGI script; amp; doesn't work. | You can mask special characters a la %20 in HTML. What encoding is | this, and where can I find a listing? IIRC, this is hex. the %20 would be 0x20 (am I doing this right?), so that would be decimal 32 is ASCII or commonly a space, so an '' would be decimal 38 or hex 0x26 or for your purposes %26. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: worms/viruses on linux
| This makes it imperative to patch systems with security patches asap. | If | i'm under the understanding, virus/worms have been on an increase in | the | past 6-12 months on Linux systems. Do people think this is because of | the | more widespread usage of LInux now, or something more sinister (like | Microsoft deliberately writing viruses to attack Linux | | This seems a bit too underhanded, even for MS. Besides, if their own | security alerts are any indication, I recon the boys at Redmond are a | bit too busy addressing their own vulnerabilities to take time to | exploit any that may be found in Linux... | | | Too busy? M$ sucks (at bear minimum) several million dollars per | hour every | day of the year (I am being very generous with the math) from | users. Several | million dollars an hour. . . . They can afford to do anything | they want to | do when ever it suits them. So let them find the security holes and write worms/viruses. My expectation is that they will be plugged faster than Microsoft could ever dream of, and it'll make Linux just that much more resilient! :) Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: dual processor website/howto
| Can someone point me to a website that covers advantages/disadvantages | of a dual processor machine over a single processor machine, especially in | linux? http://2cpu.com http://www.linux.org.uk/SMP/title.html Try a google search for smp and linux... HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backup policy: What should I backup?
| it would be cool if there was(maybe there is?) a utility that could | scan every file on the system and identify those which are not | part of a package, would make for easy backups! or even better compare | the md5sums of the ones against the packages, and mark those as well | to backup changed files.(though I seem to remember reading that not | all packages come with md5sums on the installed files) Does cruft fit the bill? HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Replacement for X-Windows?
| I have an idea for a cool GUI that would be intuitive, if nothing | else. It | would be based on a Doom interface, where you walk from directory to | directory. In each Directory, there would be a room. In the | back wall of the | room (as you enter) would be the door to the parent directory. | In the front | wall of the room would be doors leading to subdirectories. Along | the front | wall would also be filing cabinets (this could also be along the | right or left | walls). The filing cabinets could have a graphical | representation of all the | files in that directory (subdirectories not included). Along | with the file | cabinets would be a metal cabinet (new file), copier (copy file) and a | shredder (wipe file). There would also have to be a wall panel | in each room | that has shortcuts that are always available to the user. To | open a file, one | merely has to access a file drawer (by opening it), then select | their file | (which goes in to their inventory) and opening it. This can bring up an | associated application. To copy a file, they take a file to the | copier, place | it on the machine, and press start, which produces another copy | of the file in | their inventory. You can wipe the file by dropping it in to the | shredder. | You deselect a file by dropping it from your inventory (if you drop it in | another directory room, you just moved it! So be careful!). | If you have a | copy of a file, you can place it in whatever room you want. I | don't know how | to emulate a link ... | I believe that there was a hack to have DOOM as an interface for linux processes. All of the monsters were linux processes. The only problem was that the monsters would kill each other in the game and subsequently kill of the processes. I think all of the information is at http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/ HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMP working
| check for this . I looked in the /proc directory and did a cat of cpu | but it only showed one processor at 500MHZ. | | Am I looking in the wrong place??? Greetings, A cat of /proc/cpuinfo should give a listing for each cpu. I get two for the two on my box. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Debian: abandon ship?
| With hindsight, it's clear that trying to | support too many architectures was a mistake. | Of course, everybody makes mistakes. It is truly | said that he who never made a mistake, never | made anything. Is it a mistake to try and reach every insert target here everywhere? If so, then the Christian Church and the Girl Scouts are making mistakes as well. | If the people in effective control of Debian's | direction no longer have this ability, then | perhaps Debian is no longer useful to most | of us. So let's just scrap the Debian project as a whole and go back to being drones for Microsoft. | To save the Debian Attack Team the effort | of a search, I'll admit immediately that | (like most Debian users) I've contributed | nothing to Debian except good intentions | and trivial amounts of money. Debian does | not need me. And I need a stable release | with the 2.4 kernel. I posted this rant on -devel a while ago (and had rebuttal), but I'll post it here as well. It's been modified slightly, but the point still remains. soap box I think a point needs to be made. The first article in the Debian Weekly News for May 15th has Woody in Freeze. From what I have gathered from lurking on the -devel list is that it's security infrastructure that's holding it up. Let's think logically for just a moment. 1. Woody is frozen. 2. It is unlikely that any new packages are going in, assumption based upon point 1. 3. Security is not in place to handle Woody. 4. A security issue would more than likely be a release critical bug. 5. Security bugs are, in my experience, very quickly remedied. 6. Contrary to point 2, a security/release critical bug fixed package would make it's way into Woody quickly. 7. We can ignore point 2 from a security standpoint by making use of point 6. My conclusion is that Woody is effectively released already. A large number of people have been running on Woody for quite some time. It's as stable as it's going to get. Just do an apt-get dist upgrade and get it over with already. /soap box Farewell, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Debian: abandon ship?
| Are you really named Brooks Robinson or is that a nom du net? Yes this is my true and given name. Long story short: my brother was a fan, my mom agreed to something she never thought would happen | My conclusion is that Woody is effectively released already. | | So, Woody changed to a 2.4 kernel? At last report it was still using | 2.2x. Yes, the official kernel of Woody for the i386 environment is 2.2.x (IIRC other environments will default to a 2.4.x kernel). I don't recall the particulars of the decision to make i386 Woody a default 2.2 (probably to deal with low end hardware), but someone had a reason (although I've seen it argued). However, 2.4.x is supported fully under Woody and works fine for i386. It's easy enough to compile your own or use a predefined one, but they are definitely available on woody. Farewell, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Debian: abandon ship?
| Uh huh. And get cracked tomorrow because security updates are *not* | being made for woody at this time. There is a list of approximately a | dozen *known* security problems with woody that will be dealt with | *later*. Updates are not propogating from sid to woody at all right | now, even for security reasons. Woody is probably at its most insecure | point in the development process right now. | | Do not Just do an apt-get dist upgrade and get it over with unless you | have no reason to care about security or are willing to do security | investigations and fixes on your own. It was not my intention to lead users astray, my intention was to enlighten people to the fact that testing is, for the most part, not going to change. The security fixes are flowing into sid. It's not a big trick to get notice from security-announce and grab a few pacakges from sid in the mean time. I'll grant that it's not as easy, but doable. Farewell, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mplayer (making it deb)
| There used to be a pine source package, but it was dropped, IIRC. I | don't remember why. | It was dropped and replaced with pine-tracker. This source was still available, and when a new pine tracker package was available, it reminded you to build yourself a new package with the following commands: apt-get --only-source build-dep pine apt-get --only-source -b source pine Since it's license won't let you distribute binaries, the source code was made available, but you had to compile it yourself. It was a minor pain, but it helped give me some insight to the packaging system. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Firewall verification
| there is another way to do a basic check? apt-get install nmap HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: xscreensaver
| On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 04:22, Tom Allison wrote: | I think this is prevelant on all my machines, but certainly on my | notebook. I have xscreensaver installed, but it never goes off. | | Could someone please give me a quick rundown on how to: | --enable xscreensaver (w/ w/o password) | --set my monitor to standby/suspend/shutoff In my .xsession, I have: xscreensaver -no-splash HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to get xfree86 v4 working after dist-upgrade?
| Hi, | | I upgraded from potato to woody and now I would like to use the new | version 4 x windows software. It seems that it all installed everthing | but version 3 is still running when I do startx. I didn't see anything | in the release-notes. Other than that the upgrade went well. | | What is the Debian way to get this working? IIRC you can rename /etc/X11/XF86Config to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: dual port nic
| Does anyone know if Debian supports Dual Port nics. I have a box with a Compaq 3122(?) dual port nic which IIRC is basically a dual 3121 (which uses the eepro100 drivers). It finds both ports just fine. Dual port nic support is probably driver specific. In the case of the eepro100, it is. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CDwriter
| Hi i have a question about writers. | I have just added a cdwriter to my pc (running sid) | I have also built a new kernel with scsi emulation support, but | my drives are | still detected as hdc (cdwriter samsung) and hdd (toshiba dvd) | (cdrecord -scanbus doesnt detect it). | So does someone have a short explanation on what to do or could someone | point me to a howto or any other usefull infos on debian and cdwriting? | Thanx | Florian You need to add a line into your lilo.conf to tell you kernel what drives to scsi-emulate. Put something like append = hdc=ide-scsi into you lilo.conf and re-run lilo. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Delay for List Archive
| Hi, I am looking for an answer to a query from early April. The list | archive search does not return any hits on any query in April. When do | those messages turn up in the archive? Well, since the archive uses the lists-archives package, IIRC, they should show up overnight. Maybe it's a problem with glimpse. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How was the slink -- potato switch? How will be potato -- woody? When?
| However, | - may I know what happened during the slink-potato switch period? I had a slink box that upgraded to potato just fine. | - was there a sufficient grace period before slink was deleted | from the mirrors? IIRC, potato will be moved to archive.debian.org and remain there like other old releases. | - may I know where to get information about potato to woody switch | plan? what will happen on May 1st ? There should be an announcement from the debian-announce list, it will most assuredly be in the debian weekly news, and posted prominently on the main web site. | - what is better: to use potato or stable in the production | systems' sources.list? If you use stable, you will automagically be brought up to the current release state, if you use potato, you will probably error out when potato is moved to the archive. | - is there a way to keep/ save all configuration files, and then | installing woody from scratch (which is faster)? Instead of reinstalling (ala red hat), just to an 'apt-get update' and an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and move up your packages like before. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: XF86Config
| I am going to have to use an old, undocumented machine while I am | on vacation for the next several weeks. | | I plan to bring my own hard disk with Debian installed, but my | XF86Config-4 will not work with this undocumented monitor. | | Is there any tool that will probe the monitor and determine the | allowable refresh rates and/or other parameters? Is there a generic | configuration that can be used safely with most monitors? Check out http://www.monitorworld.com for monitor specs HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Finding unused packages
| Some time ago, I've read somewhere about a tool that can find installed | debian packages that are not used, based on atime of files that belong to | the packages. | | Could someone please point me to this tool ? I think everyone has missed debfoster. It will run through what packages (and dependencies) you have asking if you still want them. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: make-kpkg continued
| hi | | my first custom kernel was yet another 2.2.20 and was perfect. Congratulations! | i have now made three 2.4.18 kernels and none of them will work meaning | that none of them gets gdm to start, or has any virtual terminals to log | into (ctrl/alt/f1), cannot connect via ssh and cannot return a ping. | | almost none of the startup (dmesg, messages, etc) gets logged... just a | few lines: | | Apr 19 12:03:02 bilbo -- MARK -- | Apr 19 12:22:43 bilbo kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped. | Apr 19 12:22:43 bilbo exiting on signal 15 | Apr 19 12:27:57 bilbo syslogd 1.4.1#10: restart. | | there was an unsuccessful boot of 2.4.18 right after 12:22:43 | | something is preventing the kernel logger from starting at the end of the | startup. btw, the screen looks normal during the startup process, but it | goes so fast... obviously, the network isn't getting started. | | i tried to model my .config file after the successful 2.2.20 one. | | any sugestions? i think i will download the 2.4.18 kernel-image package | from testing and see if that will start. Okay, you are probably close. I'll give you how I do it... 1) Install source for 2.4.18 (or whatever) (obviuos) 2) copy .config from 2.2.20 kernel source or /boot directory to kernel source 3) go to kernel source and do a make oldconfig, answering any questions 4) do a make menuconfig to look things over and tweak 5) make-kpkg clean 6) make-kpkg --revision=(plug in today's date) kernel_image 7) dpkg -i (new kernel package) I think where you may be going wrong is step 3. The 2.2.x and 2.4.x kernels have different options, but the make oldconfig should fix things up famously. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mutt and my email address
Greetings, Okay, so I'm trying to transition off of pine and Microsoft Outlook and move to mutt. I've got most things tweaked the way I like them, but the I can't seem to find a configuration that works for changing my 'from' email address. I use a dyndns.org hostname for my machine, but I want people to see my address to be from another domain (that I have pointed at the same box). According to the man page, it uses the EMAIL environment variable, but setting/changing it seems to make no difference. I've also put set use_domain=yes and set hostname = domainthatiwant.org in my .muttrc, but those don't seem to help either. What am I missing? Thanks, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kill, kill, kill...
| Remember that's what's supposed to be occurring during | postremoval. If the | postremoval fails, how do you expect to get rid of files that might have | been created during preinst/postinst? cruft Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Woody???
| On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 14:17, Mattias Berg wrote: | I'l need to dist-upgrade to woody due kernelchange.. didn't | work.. totally | fuck'd up my server... Try'd to reinstall debian and try with | unstable... | didn't work.. totally fuck'd up my server... | | Quite apart from the offensive language, you give no useful | information. How is anyone supposed to know what you have done or which | of the thousands of Debian packages has caused your problem? My guess is that X didn't upgrade well (been there done that). Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .config file for kernel?
| I expected the config file to be in the kernel sources package | (RedHat habit). Now that Woody is due out soon, I think I'm | going to scrap my 2.2r5 plans and start over with Woody. Why? Just load up 2.2r5 (or is it 2.2r6?) and wait for the official release or jump straight into Woody now. (It won't hurt much.) I am not familiar with upgrading RedHat machines (except for a brief fling with Slackware, I've been blessed with Debian, essentially grew up on it), but I am told that it (RedHat) basically requires re-installation. This is not so with Debian. Try it, you'll like it. Happy computing... Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: debian
| On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 03:31:32AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: | on Wed, Apr 03, 2002, fti International ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: | Hello All, | | A basic question, what is the right pronunciation of Debian? | dee-bean? da-bean? or something else. | | The one true way. | | I use The One True Way GNU/Linux. | | What's your favorite distro? | The One True Way. | | Yeah, just let me install The One True Way on this box and then we | can give it to the new employee. | | I think I like that pronunciation... Oh great, geek religion. LOL Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Alternate size display with ls -l?
| Is there some way I can get ls to report sizes in say M, or K? | Try ls -lh it gives the long version with human readable format. Hint: man ls HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VNC serving KDE
| I am a newbie at all this, but thought this might help someone else | get started. I have not been able to get the -depth option to work. The vnc defaults can be set and overridden per user. This is my ~/.vncrc file: $geometry=800x600; $depth=16; Give it a try. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: bootstrapping a debian build system
| For certain reasons, I must use a RedHat system for a certain task. | However, I need software that is more recent that RedHat provides. I | could try and build from the upstream source packages and spend a lot | of time checking the configuration, or I could build from debian's | source packages. We all know that the debian way is superior. So the | hurdle, now, is to bootstrap a build system that will allow me to | build the debian packages from source. I found that some packages | will mostly build almost out-of-the-box, but I seem to have circular | dependencies between debhelper and dpkg-dev. Each needs the other for | its build process. I don't actually need for real packages to me | made, just the ./debian/tmp directory to be filled in so I can | manually install the software (or make a cheesy rpm/tarball from it). This may be what you need apt-get --only-source build-dep package apt-get --only-source -b source package HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ps is not working
| Obviously the /proc directory has something to do with the malfunction of the program. | I have Reiserfs, Kernel 2.4.13 Okay, I'll bite. Is /proc mounted? Can you 'cd /proc'? If not the /etc/fstab entry needs to be something like this: # file system mount point type options dump pass proc/proc procdefaults 0 0 HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CDROM: hdc: lost interrupt (how to troubleshoot?)
| when I try to rip the CD I get the following messages and the ripping | is VERY slow (few hours per one song): | | Mar 24 04:10:09 localhost kernel: hdc: lost interrupt | the situation is the same regardless of whether I use scsi emulation | or not. Greetings, I had the same problem a few months ago. The only thing that I found was that *perhaps* the hard drive controller was bad. I kept swapping drives around to different channels and it turned out that my secondary controller always seemed to be the culprit, not the drive, not the cable, not the OS. I ended up purchasing a Maxtor PCI ATA/IDE/100 card, and everything is working now. So, you might try re-cabling to see if it helps. HTH, Brooks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Are these machines up to it?
| 1: I have a 133MHz pentium, 1Gb disk and 32Mb ram. I want to use this |as a firewall. | | 2: Also an 400MHz AMD K6-2, 6Gb disk and 80Mb ram. This is to be a |name server and an email server | | Neither of them will have X on them, so what I need to know is; | a: they are not up to the tasks | b: they are just up to the tasks | c: they are easily up to the tasks | | If the answer is a: or b:, what could be done to improve the | situation. Asking a lot in a single message, but I dont want to start | then find that they just won't do the job(s) I think that you will find that both of these machines have more than enough power for the stated uses; so my answer would be 'c'. Brooks
RE: promise 66 ide adapter cards
| Potato had a special version for ide adpater cards. | It looks like woody does not yet. I get about | half way into the boot process and the woody | kernel stops just about where it is recognizing | the hard drives attached to the card. Looks ominous. | Is woody going to support these cards? Isn't this merely a kernel issue not a release issue. I use a Matrox 100 IDE/ATA PCI card, and have no problems with it in woody. However, I am not using the stock kernel, I roll my own. Get a recent 2.4.x kernel source and look into: ATA/IDE/MFM/RLL support then IDE,ATA and ATAPI block devices then Promise PDC20246 or others and Special UDMA featurs HTH, Brooks
RE: [OT] Redefinition of Black Market [was Re: Screen-free Linux?]
| If you sell me a piece of kit you very legally own, and I pay you in | cash, that's black market : no trace, no taxes paid. The property traded | is not necessarily illegal, it's just that the transaction is not | visible to the State. | | Am I a business, or just a regular Joe? | | If I'm a business, then yes, that's the black market. If I | just sell you my old PC, then that's the perfectly legal (at | least in the USA) secondary market. Of course, if I make a | habit of buying and selling used kit, then, yes, I would be | engaging in commerce, and then must either register with the | state and collect taxes, or enter the black market. To give a U.S. Tax point of view... According to IRS guidelines, if you make a profit on the transaction (any transaction, in business or private citizen trading with my neighbor), you owe income tax on that transaction. Now then, determining the amount or profit could be problematic (Let's just not go there). The IRS wants their share no matter what. However, they cannot enforce what they do not see, so cash is usually a way to get by. If you engage in a large cash business, most people get caught by depositing said cash into banks, which is very traceable. It's not to difficult to observe an individual and determine expenditure patterns based upon lifestyle, infer an income, and determine whether tax has been avoided. My $0.02, Brooks
RE: su montioring
| hi | | are there any program that will log/monitor who are using root | privigies ? IIRC su usage get logged into the /var/log/auth.log. I think logcheck picks up this, and will email it to whom you choose. HTH, Brooks
RE: CD install with no floppy drive??
| I tried to install Debian in my laptop, but it has swappable | floppy/cd drive, so I can only the CD drive. | How can I bypass the floppy boot disk setup? | There is no skip button, it just have a continue/OK button. You should be able to boot directly from the CDROM. It will pop up what looks like a rescue disk syslinux screen telling you all of your options, but if you hit enter to continue it should go on with even thinking about the floppy drive. HTH, Brooks
RE: two ethernet cards without routing
| I've installed two ethernet cards to my debian server and they work fine. | I want to give some services to one IP and other services to the | other, so: | How can I deactivate the routing option betwen cards? | | There have to be some kind of routing now because I can connect | to my apache | typing the two IPs even I've just one cable connected to eth0. I'm not sure this is the best answer, but it's and answer. I would suggest using firewalling rules with ipchains or iptables or whatever to block the connections. Try something similar to: # kill off http/apache to eth0 /sbin/ipchains -A input -j REJECT -i eth0 -d 0/0 80 -p tcp # accept http/apache on eth1 /sbin/ipchains -A input -j ACCEPT -i eth1 -d 0/0 80 -p tcp HTH, Brooks
RE: Freeswan package on woody?
| Hello, | | I'd like to install freeswan on a woody machine, | but a package search for it cam up with nothing. | | Is there a freeswan package at all? | Do I need a 2.4 kernel? (if so, any issues | upgrading from a 2.2 kernel to a 2.4 kernel on | woody?) | Is there a noddy guide to isntalling it on woody? On my favorite woody machine... cyberanarchy:~$ apt-cache search freeswan freeswan - IPSEC utilities for FreeSWan kernel-patch-freeswan - IPSEC kernel support for FreeSwan I tried setting it up a couple of months ago without success, but I didn't give it the full attention I should have. IIRC it requires a 2.4.xx kernel with a patch. The kernel wasn't a problem, it was configuration that stalled me out. HTH, Brooks
RE: Freeswan package on woody?
| On my favorite woody machine... | | cyberanarchy:~$ apt-cache search freeswan | freeswan - IPSEC utilities for FreeSWan | kernel-patch-freeswan - IPSEC kernel support for FreeSwan Oops, I forgot that I have a touch of sid in this box... It is in unstable only, or so it seems. Sorry, Brooks
RE: Re Root symlink to /boot/vmlinuz
| me thinks you would like make-kpkg (kernel-package) | | | IIRC, kernel-package asks if you want the symlinks. I may be wrong, it's | been a while since I've needed a new kernel :) | Last I ran it (a couple of days ago) out of woody, it didn't ask about symlinks. It just does them as if the kernel you are installing is the new default kernel. I always have to go back and update my symlinks, but tehn again I typically have at least three different kernels ready to go at a given moment. HTH, Brooks
RE: TV over LAN?
| Hello everyone. This question is not meant that serious, but | nevertheless with interest: | | in my LAN i have running a gateway, a workstation and a laptop. The | workstation is equipped with a TV card (BT878) and works just fine. | Is there a way to view TV on my laptop by using the PC and the LAN? | | I know this will pollute the LAN, but well, it is my private little one | :-) | Knowing that USB _almost_ ha enough bandwidth for viewing TV i wonder if | i can use my LAN for TV redirection. | | Any ideas what ways exist? Maybe simple X forwarding, but are there | other ways (what about xhost/xauth settings)? | My LAN is a normal 100mbit ethernet. | Has anyone used the camstream package out of woody or better? It might be the trick here.
RE: disabling login
On a multi-user system, how can I turn off an account? Not remove it, though, since at a later time, it will have to be re-enabled? While we're at it, how to you re-enable a disabled account? How disabled do you want it? Edit /etc/passwd and change the shell to /bin/false to disable login and/or change the password to '*' to pretty much diable it totally. HTH, Brooks
RE: postgres 7.1 - too much logging
| But now my syslog gets to much logging from postgres. In | postgresql.conf I have: | | debug_level = 0 | log_connections = on | log_pid = on | log_timestamp = on | syslog = 2 | # if syslog is 0, turn silent_mode off! | silent_mode = off | syslog_facility = LOCAL0 | trace_notify = off Try these settings debug_level = 0 log_connections = off log_pid = off log_timestamp = off syslog = 0 # if syslog is 0, turn silent_mode off! silent_mode = off syslog_facility = LOCAL0 trace_notify = off HTH, Brooks
Kernel support for MISC binaries not working under 2.4.17
Greetings, I have compiled 'CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y' into my 2.4.17 kernel and I have a '/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/' directory. However, I do not have a 'register' or a 'status' file in that directory. When I try to echo something to these files, bash complains that they do not exist. I haven't used this for quite a while, but it worked great under 2.2.x kernels. Any help? Thanks, Brooks
RE: IRda
| I am trying to use my InfraRed port in my Debian box (HP Omnibook Xe3, | kernel 2.4.4) but without any sucess: | | It seems that the port it is not recognized by the system. Okay, I'll go for the standard questions... 1) Do you have the IR enabled in the BIOS? 2) Do you have IrDA (infrared) support compiled/modules into/for your kernel?
RE: (Kinda OT) What makes Debian cool?
| This may sound like a stupid or minor question but i'd really like to | hear from all of you why do you think Debian is great, in | comparison to ALL of the other Linux distributions out there! Greetings, Back in the day, when I first installed Bo, it MADE me LEARN about Linux instead of just blindly throwing something on my computer so that I could chime in, be hip, and run Linux. I love the testing branch (apt is a God send here), I am pleased with the fact that Debian offers more ports than anyone else I've seen (not just i386, but arm, sparc, m68k, ia64, etc.). I really have to stress the education part. When I install GNU/Linux, I know why I put things where I do, and why I don't put things where I shouldn't. Almost any (choose your expletive here) can install a Microsoft product and almost any (same expletive here) can install Red Hat. Think people, don't just follow a fad. Here endeth my opinion, Brooks
RE: hdparm settings, do they persist after reboots? hd performance
| Just curious how this program accomplishes its changes | and whether the program has to run at boottime | to have the setting take effect? does it belong | in an rc script? They are not persistant after a reboot. IIRC, there is no startup script for hdparm, however; the hwtools package includes a hdparm section in it's startup script. Otherwise copy the /etc/init.d/skeleton and build your own. HTH, Brooks
RE: upgrades
| connection is not something I can afford, at least not now. Would | it be possible | to tar all of the new/different packages in a realease point so | that I could download one file and untar them in some directory | for use with apt-get off-line? I don't think that this is realisticly feasible. Your best bet would be to buy another set of CD's (they can be had rather cheap if you look around), and use them to upgrade with apt. HTH, Brooks
RE: Xine DVD's
| I finnally got Xine running on my laptop, but it plays everything | except DVD's. Any one know what package I have to add for this? You need to search for a package called xine-css. There are debs available on the net. HTH, Brooks
RE: write to ntfs-partition?
| Does anyone know how far the kernel build is from being able to | write to a | ntfs-partition? Even though I do compile my own kernel, I get the message | 'mount read-only' because ntfs is win2k+ | (If this is not a relevant place to ask - could someone advice | where to go | next then?) I suggest that you use fat32 (vfat) partitions with win2k, saves loads of potential problems. I have had my hard drive eaten by NT when it discovered a problem with a single file on the NTFS partition and ended up corrupting every file. If it weren't for a backup, I'd have lost tons of data, instead I lost a day rebuilding. HTH, Brooks
RE: Is anyone using woody in a production environment?
I am using woody as a postgresql server in production. I wanted version 7 and testing is *mostly* safe if you don't go hog wild installing packages. I haven't had too many problems. | 2) We upgrade to testing. | | Is it safe? image of Marathon Man. Who is running production servers | on testing? what if any issues have arisen? I'm actually running 2 out of 6 boxes on testing (4 production, 2 playground). Other than the expected X configuration problems and a few ill-timed keystrokes, I am doing fine. I have not gone to a 2.4 kernel in production but I am comfortably running 2.2.20. For the production machine I started with a clean install of potato and went straight to woody. Less problems than a configured system upgrade. | 3) We build the Debian packages from testing on stable. IMO not a good idea... dependencies, dependencies, dependencies. You'll end up basically upgrading to woody anyway, just do it to start with. Hope this helps, Brooks Brooks R. Robinson ERP Systems Administrator/Accounting Manager Chance Industries, Inc. 4219 Irving Wichita, Kansas 67207 Work: (316)945-6555x2632 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
Greetings, I am having some annoying woody problems. I've got several packages that won't configure, and they are all giving me the same error: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 the packages are: ash xdm xplanet xserver-common I think that it might have to do with debconf (oh joy) when it tries to source the /usr/share/debconf/confmodule, but I cannot be absolutely sure. any ideas? Thanks, Brooks
RE: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
| I would suspect a broken /var/cache/debconf/config.dat (error code 10 in | this context usually means a missing question, and if it isn't just an | isolated case it often means the database is corrupt). What version of | debconf do you have, and if you set DEBCONF_DEBUG='.*' in the | environment what do you see when you try to install one of those | packages? cyberanarchy:~# dpkg -l debconf Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name VersionDescription +++-==-==-== == ii debconf1.0.22 Debian configuration management system cyberanarchy:~# env DEBCONF_DEBUG='.*' dpkg --configure ash Setting up ash (0.3.8-35) ... debconf (db): making DbDriver of type File debconf (db configdb): started; filename is /var/cache/debconf/config.dat debconf (db configdb): loading database debconf (db): making DbDriver of type File debconf (db templatedb): started; filename is /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat debconf (db templatedb): loading database debconf (developer): frontend started debconf (user): trying frontend Dialog debconf (developer): frontend running, package name is ash debconf (developer): starting /var/lib/dpkg/info/ash.config configure 0.3.8-32 debconf (developer): -- INPUT low ash/sh debconf (developer): -- 10 ash/sh doesn't exist debconf (developer): -- GO debconf (developer): -- 0 ok debconf (developer): starting /var/lib/dpkg/info/ash.postinst configure 0.3.8-32 debconf (developer): -- GET ash/sh debconf (developer): -- 10 ash/sh doesn't exist debconf (db configdb): no database changes, not saving debconf (db templatedb): saving database dpkg: error processing ash (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 Errors were encountered while processing: ash Okay, so ash/sh doesn't exist. I extracted the data.tar.gz from the .deb, and here is the list: cyberanarchy:~/testarea# tar -tzvvf data.tar.gz drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-12-23 16:35:53 ./ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-12-23 16:35:54 ./bin/ -rwxr-xr-x root/root 82456 2001-12-23 16:35:54 ./bin/ash drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-12-23 16:35:52 ./usr/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-12-23 16:35:53 ./usr/share/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-12-23 16:35:52 ./usr/share/man/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-12-23 16:35:54 ./usr/share/man/man1/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 17570 2001-12-23 16:35:53 ./usr/share/man/man1/ash.1.gz drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-12-23 16:35:53 ./usr/share/doc/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-12-23 16:35:54 ./usr/share/doc/ash/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 544 2000-08-04 06:33:48 ./usr/share/doc/ash/README.Debian -rw-r--r-- root/root 574 2000-08-04 06:48:49 ./usr/share/doc/ash/copyright -rw-r--r-- root/root 6625 2001-12-23 16:35:01 ./usr/share/doc/ash/changelog.Debian.gz I'm confused... Help? Thanks, Brooks
RE: What's a debian kid look like?
| Crushing realities like, Am I typical? Does using Debian separate me | from the rest? | | IT? Artsy? Young? Old? Bitter? Socialist or CrewCut? Utopian or realist? | 31 year old european-american male, wife, 3 kids, mortgage. I am employed with dual purpose as Accounting Manager and ERP Systems Admin. Educated (two bachelors degrees [Finance, Real Estate and Land Use Economics], Master of Business Administration, working on a Master of Computer Science. I like Sci-Fi, U2, beer (preferably Coors Light, but any beer will do in a pinch). I am an idealist and anarchist (i.e., things ought to be as they ought to be, no BS) and I like a good argument. I can be arrogant and single minded, etc; but I'm usually right :). Member of a progressive Missouri Synod Lutheran Church (yes, it can happen) including Praise Team and Praise Choir. I don't believe in either emacs or vi, I still use pine and pico. As for programming, I can do C, C++, Java, VB; but my opinion is that if you can't do it in C it can't or shouldn't be done.
RE: VMWare
| I would like to know if anyone in this list is using VMWare | Workstation in | order to run flavours of Windows with Debian GNU Linux as the | host machine. Greetings, I had been using VMWare v2 with potato, but then I upgraded to Woody. When I upgraded to a 2.4.x kernel, v2 died. I then upgraded to the v3 and it works wonderfully. The v2 works with kernels up to 2.4.6 IIRC, but I've never been able to compile anything that or lower under Woody. I've not tried compiling them under potato. I have used Win95, Win98, and Win2K under both v2 and v3 without problems with a Debian host both potato and woody. I haven't tried XP under linux, but I have tried XP with a Win2K host running on v2, and it didn't work well. HTH, Brooks
RE: [solved] Re: [TLUG]: startx - /usr/bin/X11/X no such file
| Yes, that is exactly what I did by upgrading my debian | dist... as well... | awesome! It is funny what will trigger one to look in | the rite direction... I had assumed when I installed | pkg 'kde' and 'evolution' that I would get an xserver, | but of course not! Silly rabbit: | apt-get install xserver-svga | - I imagine now I should have more success! | | | That would be MY recommendation. I mean, if you've really been beating | yourself up over this for a while, give it a fresh start, maybe. | | -- michael | | | On 17 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Hello all, | | Frustrated. Original running woody now sid trying to | resolve this issue. I am hoping that one of you has | crossed this bridge and are able to help! | | xf86config runs without snag... but when | 'startx' - fails, b/c no /usr/bin/X11/X | | My understanding is that X should be a symlink to a | valid X server (e.g. /usr/bin/X11/XF86_SVGA). | # ls -d /usr/bin/X11/X* | Xmark | | is all that is returned :-( | | I have searched hi and low, | Lloyd apt-get install xbase-clients
RE: A rave about wine
| I tried to install quicktime with it from the .exe a few days | ago, and it just | hung. Well that's not surprising, I've tried to install it in native Win2K, and it hung. Bug for bug compatibility! Hee, Hee, Brooks
RE: ifconfig curiosity
| uhm, what are MiB's? and here I thought they were Men In Black
secvpn routing issue
Greetings, Okay gang, I need help again. I'm doing the vpn thing with secvpn. I've got routing issues. Let me first run down the systems: System #1 (foo) -- Linux foo 2.4.12 #1 Wed Nov 21 08:34:48 CST 2001 i686 unknown running on fairly recent woody eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:BA:F3:EC:3A inet addr:192.168.100.100 Bcast:192.168.100.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:392228 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:172 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:24167762 (23.0 Mb) TX bytes:38967 (38.0 Kb) Interrupt:9 Base address:0xef20 ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:10.1.1.1 P-t-P:10.1.1.2 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:3857 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:3850 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:323536 (315.9 Kb) TX bytes:323124 (315.5 Kb) Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 10.1.1.20.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 192.168.100.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth1 172.16.0.0 10.1.1.2255.255.0.0 UG0 00 ppp0 Chain input (policy ACCEPT): Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): Chain output (policy ACCEPT): This machine is the initiator for the secvpn vpn. I've removed the references to internet for obvious reasons. System #2 (bar) Linux bar 2.2.19 #1 Thu Nov 1 19:52:06 EST 2001 i586 unknown running on fairly recent potato eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:08:C7:05:61:36 inet addr:172.16.1.43 Bcast:172.16.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:11 Base address:0x8000 ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:10.1.1.2 P-t-P:10.1.1.1 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:6638 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:6645 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:10 Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 10.1.1.10.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 192.168.100.0 10.1.1.1255.255.255.0 UG0 00 ppp0 172.16.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 00 eth1 Chain input (policy ACCEPT): Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): Chain output (policy ACCEPT): This machine is the recipient for the secvpn vpn. I've removed the references to internet for obvious reasons. So here's the scoop. I can ping 172.16.1.43 from foo, and I can ping 192.168.100.100 from bar. I can ssh to and from both, and they connect without a hitch. The problem is that I can't ping 192.168.100.1 from bar, and I cannot 172.16.1.1 from foo. If I try to traceroute 192.168.100.1 from bar it gets as far as 10.1.1.1 and dies out. Help, help, help. Thanks, Brooks
RE: VPN software
| Is there a Debian package to set up a VPN? Or am I going to have | to go down the | Free SWAN route? I am using the secvpn package, but I am having some routing problems that I'll probably be asking the list about after a few more days of beating my head against a wall. Documentation is a little light, but it's not too terribly hard to figure out. HTH Brooks
ssh without password for secvpn
Greetings, I am trying to set up the secvpn package between two boxes (one potato, one woody). I have the secvpn.conf figured out, no problem. My problem is a little more basic. I can't get ssh to connect without a password. On both boxes, I did a 'ssh-keygen' which created my '.ssh/identity' and '.ssh/indentity.pub'. I swapped the '.ssh/indentity.pub' to '.ssh/authorized_keys' to each machine. I try to connect and I am still asked a password. I've tried it with both empty passphrases and obnoxious passphrases, and I get the same result (password not passphrase). I've muddled thorough the man pages for ssh and the vpn-howto, but I seem to be missing the final bit that makes it work. Is my problem that I am using a mix potato and woody, or am I just missing some configuration. Thanks, Brooks
RE: ssh without password for secvpn [Clue #1]
| Greetings, | I am trying to set up the secvpn package between two boxes | (one potato, one | woody). I have the secvpn.conf figured out, no problem. My problem is a | little more basic. I can't get ssh to connect without a | password. On both | boxes, I did a 'ssh-keygen' which created my '.ssh/identity' and | '.ssh/indentity.pub'. I swapped the '.ssh/indentity.pub' to | '.ssh/authorized_keys' to each machine. | I try to connect and I am still asked a password. I've | tried it with both | empty passphrases and obnoxious passphrases, and I get the same result | (password not passphrase). I've muddled thorough the man pages | for ssh and | the vpn-howto, but I seem to be missing the final bit that makes it work. | Is my problem that I am using a mix potato and woody, or am I just missing | some configuration. | | Thanks, | | Brooks Greetings, So I decided to try this from a potato to another potato. I used ssh-copy-id to copy the id to the box, and voila; it worked. So now I have to reconcile the differences from potato to woody! Any help? Thanks, Brooks
RE: Adding a user for ftp but without shell access
| quickest way is probably change their shell to /dev/null | add /dev/null to /etc/shells(so ftp servers will allow the | user to login) and add the user .. Greetings, I thought that it was more appropriate to use /bin/false. HTH, Brooks
RE: Problems with eth0 and 2.2R4
| -Original Message- | From: Daniel Hartman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Monday, 19 November, 2001 04:23 PM | To: Debian-Users List | Subject: Problems with eth0 and 2.2R4 | | | Hey all, | | I am having problems with my ethernet card after installing 2.2R4 on my | laptop. I have to perform the following everytime I reboot my machine: | |# route add default eth0 |# route add default gw my.gateway | | Does anyone know what I might be missing? Am I not providing enough | information? | | Thanks in advance. | | Dan Greetings, Check out /etc/network/interfaces and 'man interfaces'. HTH, Brooks
RE: BUSINESS PROPOSAL
| | | Heh, its still trolling. The new and improved spam-flavored kind. | Is spam to a spammer really spam?
RE: How long has your Linux system been up ?
| Just curious how long people have left their system running | without reboot. | I once left my server at a co-locate for over 3 months and it ran | fine. In | three years, I have never had to reboot because of crash. | | I have rebooted about once every 3 to 4 months (guessing average) after | maintenance. This was voluntary, not necessary. I don't run X either | (dedicated server mail/ftp/web). Anyone have any really long times for X | and non-X systems? | | Paul There was a post from Will Trillich on sept 14 about his box being up just over a year. I bet it's still going. I have a postgresql database server that gets constant use that has not had a hiccup in 67 days. I don't recall why I rebooted back then, probably a kernel update. I also have a test box (email/web/playground) that is frequently months without reboot.
RE: About the i586 / i386 ' optimized releases ' differences ?
| linked code). (Does anyone have benchmark results?) If I remember | correctly, it is debian policy to use '-g' and then strip non-library | binaries. I'm sure I'll get howls for suggesting it, but I think that | the policy should be to not use '-g' in the stable distribution. Greetings, I would agree with this philosophy. I would suggest that probably testing and defiantly unstable should have debugging symbols, but not stable. The problem with this is probably a matter of procedure. As packages go from testing to stable, they would have to be recompiled or stripped. This could be a rather nasty process for the thousands of packages in the debian distro. Another big upshot would be the reduction in the size of the packages. It might make mirroring Debian a little more attractive to reduce the overall size of the stable arm by 20%+ (Guess). Random thoughts, Brooks
RE: About the i586 / i386 ' optimized releases ' differences ?
| | linked code). (Does anyone have benchmark results?) If I remember
| | correctly, it is debian policy to use '-g' and then strip non-library
| | binaries. I'm sure I'll get howls for suggesting it, but I think that
| | the policy should be to not use '-g' in the stable distribution.
|
| current stable distribution. It would be great if someone could get some
| hard numbers on the space saved and performance improvements of getting
| rid of debugging symbols in the stable dist (and post it to devel).
Greetings,
I just did this as a test. Let's take the ubiquitous Hello World
program. The code:
#include stdio.h
int main ( void )
{
printf( Hello World\n );
return 0;
}
If you compile this with 'gcc -Wall test.c -o test_clean', the resulting
binary is 4981 bytes. If you compile it with 'gcc -g -Wall test.c -o
test_debug', the resulting binary is 14181 bytes. That is a 284% larger
size. Or if you invert the fraction, the stripped binary is 35% of the size
of the loaded binary. Another statistic is that the source code is a mere
82 bytes. Now, I don't suppose that this size comparison is exactly the
same for all generated code, but it is an appreciable difference.
HTH,
Brooks
RE: Laptop install, console screen small
| In this case X is not a problem, just the tty consoles. I can't
| get them to
| fill the entire screen. I do get all 80x25, 80x34, or whatever
| resolution,
| just in a reduced screen size.
|
| Any ideas?
How about using frame buffer. There was a discussion about the various
tweakages back in October about all the nasty settings, but the short idea
is to compile frame buffer support into your kernel and put a vga={hex
number go here} into your lilo.conf, run lilo, reboot, and see what
happens..
HTH,
Brooks
| Both Laptops are DELL, this one a C600 Latitude.
|
| My console screens are the little screens that
| appear with the thick black
| boarders. I haven't been able to get the console to
| fill the entire laptop
| screen. I have installed the 'unstable' distro and
| using the 2.4.14 kernel
| with DRI and FrameBuffers (thought that maybe it
| would help).
|
| Does anyone know how to get the console to fill the
| screen?
|
| Thanks for your time,
|
|
| -Craig
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RE: screen blows up!
|-Original Message- |From: Hans Fong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Wednesday, 14 November, 2001 05:37 AM |To: debian-user@lists.debian.org |Subject: screen blows up! | | |Okay, it's not that bad, it's only the screen size. |I'm trying to save an old Compay 75 MHz Pentium for |Linux box at work. Installed Potato, X ran fine. |Upgraded to Woody (testing), ran xf86config, X came |up, but only left-lower quarter of the screen. I wear |glasses already, so no need for a blown-up desktop. |Any idea's on how to fix this? | |I tried a Trident and Tseng ET3000 and both have the |same problem. | |Please CC as I'm at work. Thanks. | |Hans Greetings, I had a similar problem. I ran xvidtune to get it to look right. Once I had the settings properly record, then I modified my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to include and use a custom mode: Section Monitor Identifier Compaq QVision 172 HorizSync 31.5-82 VertRefresh 50-110 Option DPMS Mode Good_1024x768 DotClock94.50 HTimings1024 1072 1168 1376 VTimings768 769 772 860 Flags +hsync +vsync EndMode EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen Device Diamond SpeedStar A200 Monitor Compaq QVision 172 DefaultDepth24 SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes Good_1024x768 EndSubSection EndSection Now it works fine! HTH, Brooks
RE: Which mail user agent do you use?
| Aethera is another client for kde (currently no debs, AFAIK). | Aethera is available in testing and up. There are debs available from kde.debian.com for potato! Brooks
RE: Merry Christmas!
Okay, I claim to be geeky, but I've missed it. Huh? -Original Message- From: Peter Hugosson-Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 31 October, 2001 09:32 AM To: Debian user list Subject: OT: Merry Christmas! Why do we geeks celebrate Christmas today? Because Oct 31 = Dec 25 (8r31 = 10r25) -- Cheers! .~. /V\ // \\ /( )\ ^`~ยด^ hugge -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel 2.4.12 ISAPNP
Greetings, I am playing around with the isapnp in a 2.4.12 kernel. I am trying to get an ESS1868 sound card like magic without the isapnp deb. I found a web site that describes the set up in a 2.4.5 kernel at http://www.netspace.net.au/~bmiller/linux/ess1868-2.4.html. I tried it with my 2.4.12 kernel with the same kernel options, and it doesn't seem to work. It won't configure the card. Does anyone have any clues? Thanks, Brooks
