Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:15:57 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: [SNIP LOT OF REASONABLE THINGS (from The Wanderer)] I would add one thing to what you said, may be rants are filtered by devs (but that I doubt, intelligent people usually keep the temperature of their projects, even if the thermometer is growing bigger;), but as the rant is spreading among blogs (and even LKML), it'll end up to attract large media reporting. That is a thing, whatever you're doing wrong, you usually wanna avoid, especially when articles are made by skillful and respected people. So, yes, rumbling noise can (and I hope, will) be a very good thing at the end. -- Exo My mother reading the newspaper, an article about a Siamese who just have two heads… Exo All she has to say to me is Do you think when she hair cut, she pays for one or two? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Jessie and Systemd integration
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:22:21 -0500 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: From the sound of things, I'd very much like to give Debian 8 the benefit of the doubt. I'll wait and see, if there are more posts and not dismiss it entirely. Until more information comes in down the road, it is probably prudent for me to continue to look at a server migration plan that firmly does not include systemd. You'd better, as it is even worse: junkD journal is in binary format and this journal isn't ACID compliant, so any error will render it unreadable; guess what? It has been rejected as not a bug (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64116); note that coredumps are also written to this kind of journal… -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140918175600.72a76364@msi.defcon1
Re: screen 0: in putty title bar
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:33:18 +0100
Apero Maxx aero.max...@gmail.com wrote:
PROMPT_COMMAND='printf \033k%s@%s:%s\033\\ ${USER}
${HOSTNAME%%.*} ${PWD/#$HOME/~}'
Check ~/.bashrc for the right string.
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Re: Jessie and Systemd integration
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:42:21 -0700 agr a...@consultores.ca wrote: I have been using Debian for almost 14 years continuosly, and i had to transfered 1 server to OpenBSD, because the comments in this list are uncertain; i can not wait for Jessi to do the transition. Could you tell us about this migration (ease, problems, etc)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140918205241.3ddab001@msi.defcon1
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:48:39 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Alas, poor Slavko ;-) I am sorry, i don't understand your reply (my poor English). Oh, sorry. I was referring to a line from Shakespeare into Hamlet (when he grabs a skull and talk to him: 'alas, poor Yorick…') -- Kuro I just watched two hours of film without subs Wolf Kuro: porn doesn't count signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: No wireless support for RTL8192EE
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:01:59 +0300 softwatt softw...@gmx.com wrote: So, I cloned the repo, compiled and installed. Now, network-manager does detect the adapter, but it says device not managed. If i run `iwconfig` in a terminal, the device appears as managed. The device is not detected by `ifconfig`. By default, NM doesn't manage any I/F that is cited into /etc/network/interfaces; so you must either comment lines in this file or enable the management of these I/F into NM conf file. Here's where the mystery gets really interesting: If I run aircrack-ng and use that adapter, it works! Packet injection works perfectly, packet sniffing is very unreliable, I'd say 95% of the packets are lost. Naughty pirate, naughty ;-p) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140917180913.5c898f81@msi.defcon1
Re: Faking it with skype
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 00:03:53 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: (unknown:4748): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 At 1st sight, I'd say that it needs a 32bits lib and found instead a 64bits one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140917181106.6ef20e4e@msi.defcon1
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:34:19 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: The island dates back to the end of the last Ice Age. And, sometimes, its mentality too ;-p) -- Chloé: What do you think about my font? William: Sorry, I don't talk font with a girl on the first evening signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: No wireless support for RTL8192EE
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:51:02 +0300 softwatt softw...@gmx.com wrote: That's also understandable, hardware is a pain in the neck. :) That's a bit overestimated, I remember those days when not adding the right switche(s) to a module left the HW as good as dead (especially TV cards, it was a real PITA: tuner type, audio type, etc); this is quite over now. Although, it might come back through the return of obscurantism like systemd… (naaa, (almost) kidding). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140917212211.5bce822f@msi.defcon1
Re: Jessie and Systemd integration
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:16:57 -0500 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: The decision has been made by the Debian TC. So be it. Yeah, the nsa also made the decision to infect a max of computers and phones among other things like spying on everybody… So be it? (usual defense: if you have nothing to hide, what the hell? my defense: my private life, as its name says, is PRIVATE, and the first who will try to put its long nose in it without my consent will pay a higher price than he could imagine). a) If I will have to have systemd installed even if I do not want it. From unstable (sid) perspective, not all systemd, but some of its libs and compatibility pkgs. b) If completely purging Systemd and using an offered alternative break or otherwise hamper the packaging system. Let me reformulate to see if I understand you well: you wanna get rid of _all_ junkD pieces. If it is that, I'm not even sure you would be able to login. This is what happens if I wanna de-install junkD: To be removed: aptdaemon I can do w/o it colord I can't do w/o it (color publications) gnome-bluetooth I can do w/o it (but practical) gnome-power-manager Don't care (tlp does it better) gnome-settings-daemon Might cause problems w/ XFCE laptop keys gnome-user-shareMight cause PB w/ android libpam-systemd ShitD plunges its claws in it :( network-manager Quite useful for a nomade network-manager-gnome packagekit ? (now part of apt) packagekit-tools policykit-1 Will almost certainly force me to input a P/W policykit-1-gnomefor each admin task tlp-rdw Best I could find for laptop management udisk2 Will force me to (u)mount manually I'm not a specialist of every pkg, so I may be wrong on some of them (or even all:) This means eg: I can't get rid of junkD because of colord which is important to me (and this is only the beginning of a terribly looong list of dependencies to come). In fact, it is the root of the rant of many of us: in a brief future, we'll be _forced_ to use junkD because of all these dependencies. Formerly, the Debian bureau did a very nice and responsible job, but it seems that these days they've got shit for brain… (or sneaky goals, which is even worse). If it is a case where systemd is required to be used, I might have to move some of my work off of Debian to Gentoo or FreeBSD. _For now_, Gentoo seems to be able to completely avoid junkD to the profit of openRC; will that be a lasting situation? Nothing's less sure:( FreeBSD, seems to have some advantages (I didn't knew that it could execute most Linux binaries as this page says; although, if these binaries are rotten w/ junkD deps…): https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/explaining-bsd/comparing-bsd-and-linux.html Unfortunately, it doesn't seems to cope with desktops very well: http://brioteam.com/linux-versus-freebsd-comprehensive-comparison Some other links: http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/01 it also is less bloated than Linux (which has a bad tendency to turn obese now): http://nileshgr.com/2013/06/07/the-move-from-linux-to-freebsd another brew: http://www.dragonflybsd.org/docs/user/Comparison_with_Linux/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140918015325.0409b194@msi.defcon1
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:17:19 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: If yes, then something is rotten in the state of Denmark ... Alas, poor Slavko ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916184040.256199f9@msi.defcon1
Re: Replacement RAID hard drives - do they have to be clean?
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:03:41 -0400 Ken Heard kensli...@teksavvy.com wrote: My first question is: although both drives are the same size, can I get away with having one drive a Seagate 3.0 and the other Samsung 2.0? Indeed, this is a very recommended configuration, as HDz of the same brand (and much worse: same brans/model/series) have many more chances to break down together. It occurred to me that if I made the change described in the first paragraph -- but without somehow making the data already on it unreadable -- there would be a different data set on each drive; so that the RAID1 software would not necessarily know which drive should be the data source to copy to the other drive. It also occurred to me that the software could combine the data on each drive, so that both drives would have both data sets. That doesn't work like that; first, you have a special block that tells who's who, 2nd, as you'll add the samsung to the array, the system considers that last arrived = new = slave, not master (of data). I consequently assume that the data on the replacement drive must somehow be made unreadable. Is that assumption correct? If so, do the data have to be shredded, or is it sufficient simply either to delete them or simply reformat the drive? That doesn't matter as the software RAID will detect data presence (IF superblocks are at the same place, read: same partition(s) as now), thus, it MAY complain about this data presence and you MIGHT be obliged to force data overwrite on it. Finally, once I have a clean new drive installed, will the RAID1 copying process partition the new drive the same way as the other drive and copy the files without further human intervention? Keep in mind that it can fail for the following reason: HDz aren't exactly the same size (except when same brand, model, series); so if your samsung (partition or full HD, YMMV about raw RAID or not) is even 1 sector less than the ST one, RAID will refuse to reconstruct. More isn't a problem as RAID will only use what it needs. If you reach this point, I strongly suggest making a bit copy (dd) of the working ST HD, then try to shrink it (if the FS allows it, eg: XFS doesn't), then if it succeed, re-add the samsung. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916212213.69c6c6c6@msi.defcon1
Re: But there is a choice to not use systemd (war: Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community)
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:36:51 -0700 Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists. Let it be, at this rate there will be blood (a lot) for Halloween ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140917020726.3c3ab317@msi.defcon1
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: Most of us are no interested in what Stallman or whoever created back in 1995. We don't think of Linux as GNU. Ahhh, so you are the declared and _democratically elected_ spokesman of, let's say 80% of the Linux community (shit, I should read more news and articles: nobody told me about that!) Linux is much more Unix than anything else. This is an interesting declaration, although it calls for a tiny bit more than your words for us to agree. And it certainly is _not_ what GNU was back then. Once again, this is your words, please develop that in a way we, poor dumb asses of users (but ô highly represented ;-p), can understand. I don't like to get involved in this dumb tirade, but the GNU business grates on me! Ohhh, as a spokesman you aren't very friendly to the people you're representing - so once again, pleeease develop your rant so we, poor dumb users, can understand why GNU, which has been our guardian and in a manner our way of life for the last 30 years, is sooo meeean (Richard, if you read me, it's whenever you want:) It is quite common that new comers wants to break the whole dusty world because they KNOW (much better than poor dumbs such as Richard and us) what is better for EVERYBODY. We already seen that in finance… with the 2008 known results. Dogs bark, Stallman moves on… -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140915173351.730d70fa@msi.defcon1
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:32:45 +0200 Bartosz Olender bartek.olen...@gmail.com wrote: I am not defending systemd programmers but, could you clarify what do you exactly mean by bad programming practices? Creating weird situations about things that used to work well for _years_ (eg: the kernel debug switch), then put the blame on others (that these things are broken - eg: not my fault, your problem), and finally refusing to fix their own mistakes by claiming the problem's isn't their's (eg: the waiting dead loop of udev or the afore mentioned kernel debug). Think about a sub-contractor telling you that your car key's now replaced by a camera waiting for you making a jump on your car hood, you answering that as a one-legged man you can't, and the guy telling you that it is your fault, not his… -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140915205738.0047ddfe@msi.defcon1
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:16:32 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I see only that he represented his views, which also happens to coincide with my own. Please, if you have to label someone, you've lost your argument's points from the get-go. :) Ric I don't wanna stigmatize anybody; what I'd like to read is a structured explanation of all points you and your friend are putting forth, instead of: it's not good the way it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140915235802.77516ed9@msi.defcon1
Re: trying to remove wicd
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:37:02 -0700 tom arnall kloro2...@gmail.com wrote: How do I get rid of the stuff? apt-get install wicd apt-get purge wicd -- Men94 : You've got MSN? Aerendil : No, but I have a STD if you want. Men94 : cool send it. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:53:50 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Have you actually tested (with hot-pluggable disks) what happens when one of the partitions the system is swapping to suddenly becomes unavailable or difficult to access and what happens when the data (on one of the swap-partitions) becomes corrupted? Not recently, I had a swap disk failure 2 times, 15 years ago, I found the machine completely stucked, ~12-13 years ago, processes were killed and the machine was still running. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140914174806.50be0694@msi.defcon1
Re: OT: gas plant (was Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy -- Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs))
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:52:24 -0400 (EDT) david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: for those unfamiliar with the french figurative use of the term gas refinery (usine à gaz): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg_machine#Similar_expressions_worldwide Oops, thanks Wes; I sometimes short-circuit and translate literally (not to mention that these days, we've a tremendous number of these stuffs with poliotics; time may be come to leave country:( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140914180144.10a02b78@msi.defcon1
Re: server backup
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:56:35 -0600 Glenn English g...@slsware.net wrote: What do you server admins use for backup? Are you talking personally or professionally? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140914201118.77bb6bd6@msi.defcon1
Re: USB bootable debian stick wont boot on 890FXA-GD65 mobo.
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 03:37:57 +0300 Alexandros Prekates apreka...@openmailbox.org wrote: I wonder if my first mistake was that i used: #cp debian.iso /dev/sdb1 and not #cp debian.iso /dev/sdb It was, the 1st one address a partition, when the 2nd address the whole 'disk'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140915032420.0417120b@msi.defcon1
Re: need suggestion on Virtualization backup/DR site.
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 08:53:55 -0400 Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: There's a handy web interface. If the machine to be backed up isn't reachable, it tries again later (1 hour by default). You can configure blackout periods, so no backups will take place during certain hours. You can override the blackout periods based on how old the latest backup is. There is an active email support list (backuppc-us...@lists.sourceforge.net). To be clear, it is the archetype of mandatory programs you completely forget once correctly configured ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140913145754.1cf5ca6f@msi.defcon1
Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy -- Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:46:31 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: All interesting things you said, plus a bunch of other readings confort me in my first impression: Linux was becoming too much secured for the taste of agencies (and which better candidate than a gas plant that hammers its looong claws down to… dbus, which assume most of the machine exchanges, and a convenient project that big that it inevitably will produce nice and juicy security bugs for the next decades to come). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140914001022.017d4a7e@msi.defcon1
Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:56:48 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Multiplication is an algorithmic operation. Well, technically speaking, it is additions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140914001350.3e64da65@msi.defcon1
Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 23:09:58 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: RAID doesn't provide data integrity even with ECC RAM. You still have much more chances to avoid writing a bad byte w/ ECC than with regular RAM, though. It only provides redundancy (with some RAID levels). Use ECC RAM and a file system that does checksumming for data integrity --- might be a bit difficult for swap, though. That's why I like this FS, which is now more usable with powerful chipsets/CPUs. Does swapping to partitions use checksumming for data integrity? Not that I know of (but I always make a looong destructive test before use, either on regular partitions and swaps). If not, you can always swap to files. This isn't a good idea, perfs are much degraded using that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140914002430.6b21785f@msi.defcon1
Re: need suggestion on Virtualization backup/DR site.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:58:48 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: I would use backuppc through ssh with the rsync method; this way, your VM would be fully reconstructible, band width wouldn't be clobbered and backup(s) wouldn't take much place. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140912160831.25246189@msi.defcon1
Re: Making keyboard remap changes permanent without reboot.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:48:50 +0300 Alexandros Prekates apreka...@openmailbox.org wrote: You are right. With fvwm the new settings are active all time. With the default xfce window manager the settings are lost after some time. Even if i reboot /etc/default/keyboard changes wont hold! So i guess its an xfce's xfwm4 bug? Just in case, check all possible logs to see if you find a trace of this reverse action. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140912165930.730029e9@msi.defcon1
Re: need suggestion on Virtualization backup/DR site.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:57:57 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the input i really appreciate that. but i have a confusion to clear. if i use direct rsync and rsync with Backuppc what is the difference? First, backups are nightly compressed and same files are hardlinked, so keeping a looong history is not a problem at all (AFA you have enough free inodes; I's recommend XFS as the reception FS); 2nd, you can trigger another backup (or restore) whenever you want, 3rd if you have users, they can also trigger a backup/restore when needed from the http(s) backuppc interface, 4th as backups are presented as a tree which goes down to the file level, you can just B/R one file at a time if needed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140912203339.719d0c71@msi.defcon1
Re: Making keyboard remap changes permanent without reboot.
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 01:53:57 +0300 Alexandros Prekates apreka...@openmailbox.org wrote: I checked slim's log , xorg's log and . .xsessions_error No luck. But i think i narrowed the failure trigger to the instant screensaver starts executing. Check also dmesg|less, /var/log/messages, Xorg.0.log, daemons, etc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140913010740.334d1f2f@msi.defcon1
Re: 32 bit color depth with NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2)
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 00:07:48 -0400 Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com wrote: NVIDIA driver downloaded today. nvidia-settings shows color depth as 24 bit and offers no way to change that. I know this chipset is capable of 32 bit depths. What am I missing? You are missing 2 things: 1- color plans are 8 bits (except on very special cards), 2- after RGB, you also have the alpha plan (transparency), which makes 4 plans, but it is a convention (pre-alpha?) to only mention the RGB plans and not the alpha one; thus RGB=3 x8 = 24bits. -- Nirix I'm an electric consumption maniac, I'd like to build a wind turbine for my pc… schyso why not building an hydro dam in your toilets? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: 32 bit color depth with NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2)
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 07:17:27 -0400 Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com wrote: I'm afraid this is not correct. If I use, say, the VESA server, I can set color depth to 32 bits. This is correct, a tiny bit of self researches would have told you so (and if you don't trust me, try to get an integer number of bits dividing 32 by 3…) If I use the proprietary NVIDIA driver, I cannot. Why not? Because: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#cite_note-32bit-3 -- Wilson what's the car of your dreams? Jambon-sama Batmobile !!! Irène -_- seriously? What a pity! Choupinette big geek XD Lucie and stop saying we have common genes TT_TT Natou wait girls! this is also my dream car! Wilson O_o Jambon-sama *3* my darling cousin Irène no but seriously! Natou frankly, it is the feminine ideal: it grabs you home when its raining, it parks itself and furthermore door opens when you have an armful of shopping, it is convenient. Lucie +1 Irène +1 Choupinette +1 Jambon-sama _ I fucking hate you signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Best way to pin a kernel
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:27:46 -0700 Matt Ventura mattvent...@mattventura.net wrote: Quick question: I want Debian to not switch Grub2 to a new kernel when I update it, since I have a custom kernel on a particular machine. When I install a new kernel from apt, I don't want to immediately use it. What's the cleanest way of doing this? I did that once by modifying /boot/grub/menu.lst; from my notes, it seems that kernels are numbered from 0 as I added a line in the first lines of this file: default 2 (the first one is the new kernel, the 2nd is 1st kernel in 'single-use mode', the 3rd is the old one I wanted). -- Melethon: not a bad picture… a real mermaid Paupau: you really think that :D you're so cute! Melethon: for sure, half-tuna half-human, this is quite unusual * Paupau is now offline signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:32:08 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Mounting swap partitions with the same priority does not provide redundancy. As RAID doesn't provide data integrity w/ regular RAM. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140911204919.55c4c4bf@msi.defcon1
Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:22:01 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Why would you say that? root denied access to sysctl keys (that doesn't even exist on my systems). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140911205116.6ceb580a@msi.defcon1
Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 10:08:31 -0500 John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: That has been obsolete for at least a decade and may never have applied to Linux. IIRC it had to do with specific characteristics of BSD kernels. IIRC it was 1.5xRAM. Today, the only obligation is to have as swap as ram if you plan to hibernate; otherwise, swap isn't even mandatory. -- Seya There's a guy here asking me if I'm bi, how shall I take it? Michel From behind… signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Making keyboard remap changes permanent without reboot.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 20:02:04 +0300 Alexandros Prekates apreka...@openmailbox.org wrote: Wanting to swap CAPSLOCK with CONTROL i changed /etc/default/keyboard and following debian wiki page on keyboard i executed: sudo udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change It worked! But .. after some minutes the swap is reverted back to the initial config withoud doing sth. How can that be avoided? Unfortunately, there are plenty of places these changes can take place (see this link to have an idea: http://duncanlock.net/blog/2013/05/03/how-to-set-your-compose-key-on-xfce-xubuntu-linux/) you can also add ~/.Xmodmap. You should ask this question to the XFCE ML. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140910191523.42d73a91@msi.defcon1
Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:34:42 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: :~# sysctl -a|grep swap vm.swappiness = 90 error: Invalid argument reading key fs.binfmt_misc.register error: permission denied on key 'net.ipv4.route.flush' error: permission denied on key 'net.ipv6.route.flush' You're system's messed up (how when are the questions). I'm afraid you'll have to follow Ric's suggestion (reinstall), but before, I would boot on a memtest86+ image and let it thoroughly test the RAM (@ least 3 complete cycles). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140910205843.7068b533@msi.defcon1
Re: Searching in PDF-file broken?
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 23:34:16 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: My money would still be on mangled font encodings rather than defective viewing applications. Yeah, evince says it is 'WinAnsi' encoded (those two 2 words contracted in one made me laugh;) Anyway, evince automatically substituted it with DejaVu Sans). Funny, the left of evince shows the same mess as your pdf2text, but a text research is functional (seek for 'könn' actually work) however, seeking for numbers fails (even for one number!) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140911005032.547b2fca@msi.defcon1
Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 00:53:37 -0700 Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: And, I guess, that then begs the further question: I love to RTFM, but what FM should I read for questions like these? Is there a FM for configuring Gnome? Gnome is evil, baaad FGnome, change gnome (use XFCE, you won't regret it;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909132451.3c583865@msi.defcon1
Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 10:31:14 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Don't forget LXDE and OpenBox, they're great too. If you really want to get down and dirty, there's dwm and jwm. dwm is especially cool because the way you change its configuration is to edit its source and recompile. The only reason I'm not still using dwm is it has nothing like OpenBox's show all windows sorted by workspace functionality. Yeah, but AFAIK, they can't automatically re-open your last session programs. It's kind of funny. All email clients suck, and yet there are tens of excellent window manager/desktop environments. claws-mail is not that bad. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909164012.339f9555@msi.defcon1
Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 15:42:51 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: TDE can and does. Good to know that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909164828.57462263@msi.defcon1
Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 15:42:21 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: last.) KDE 3.5 worked beautifully. Which is, of course, why it was thrown away. ;-) I stopped with KDE when it came with the same look (and terrible functionalities) as vi$ta ;-p) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909165023.4c7eae02@msi.defcon1
Re: Brainydeal Receipt Printer
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 17:44:34 +0200 Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr wrote: In PPD there is: *LandscapeOrientation: Plus90 Could that be it? Nope, I've the same in the PPD of my HP2100. Your PB might be related to a former order that switched to landscape (some printers save this in a non-volatile memory); it could be a wrongly interpreted string when you couldn't have your printer working correctly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909175526.6f38637a@msi.defcon1
Re: Brainydeal Receipt Printer
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 18:12:12 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: For a blank sheet of paper Plus90 or Minus90 don't matter. For a blank sheet of paper with a letterhead or hole-punches it is significant. Shall we assume that the regular rotation is used? (that is: Plus = counterclockwise). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909191657.04d5ffdb@msi.defcon1
Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 19:14:10 +0100 Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: Hey, I like KDE4 smile Chacon a son gout, as we might say in France :) No: 'chacun ses goûts'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909202428.7e2abc27@msi.defcon1
Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 00:59:29 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: could run a command, and, RAM that is not currently in use by programs that are running, is freed? No, as the 'unused' RAM is in fact used for system caches. But you can change the swapping threshold: http://linux.cloudibee.com/2007/11/linux-performance-tuning-vm-swappiness/ (permanent changes are to be written into /etc/sysctl.conf; also note that is counts backward, a value of 10 meaning: do not swap until free RAM is more than 10% of the whole). At present, with 16GB of RAM, on this computer, and, 91% in use by programs and 8% in use as cache (even though, I set cache off, in each of the web browsers), Disabling RAM cache in browsers is a bad idea unless you have very fast HDz (SSDz). it is a system riddled with bloatware, and, like a cow with bloat, where it keeps getting bigger and bigger, it needs for the gas to be released. Fart a bit, you're all red ;-p) If browser windows are shut, the RAM is still occupied and unusable, No, it is usable, but it doesn't show as free. and, the parasitic javascript progressively consumes the RAM, until it takes it all, so, a means of relieving the pressure, would be useful. As 95% of JS scripts aren't correctly written, this ain't a big surprise; but this should normally be ended when closing the page tab. Once again, it would be better to be able to fix the problem (deflating the bloat), rather than being required to shut the system down (kill the animal). Normally, if you _really_ reach the system RAM limit, init begins killing the least used programs/daemons (well, this WAS true with a good init, such as the sysV one…) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909204251.3eb802a7@msi.defcon1
Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 19:40:29 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: chacun à son goût Unfortunately for you, I'm french native; so the real expression is: à chacun ses goûts; which is commonly shorten in: chacun ses goûts in a sentence. There's also a variant: chacun ses goûts, la merde a le sien *;-P) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909204656.72c1451d@msi.defcon1
Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 02:57:26 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, but, whatever I tried, I could never get Debian 6 to swap. It would just run out of RAM and freeze. But you ARE swapping (from your 2nd post): Swap: 428603401764372 41095968 if you weren't, the 2nd col. would be 0 and col1=col3. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909210217.1f25c519@msi.defcon1
Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 03:30:40 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Alright, then; it is doing token swapping - with 99% of 16GB memory usage, and, swapping only 4% of (about) 40GB swap capacity, you can't seriously tell me that the swapping is working as it should be. Anyway, a swap of 40GB is too much for a RAM of 16GB (should be around 16-20GB), unless you perform operations that generates a lot of intermediary results). As I already said, 95% of JS scripts are written with feet; and it is not unusual to find either infinite loops or anything from the whole panel of programming malpractices into them… What is this command returning? sysctl -a|grep swap What is the output of: ps aux ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909215135.53dc8f0e@msi.defcon1
Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 22:21:07 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: To prevent an undesirable state of the system due to insufficient memory, you can use (a large amount of) swap space on a slow medium because that may give you a chance to do something before processes are being killed. Re-read what Don has explained… Always use redundancy (like RAID) also for swap because you don't want your system to go down when a disk fails. From what I know of, the failing of a swap only kills apps that reside on it; and the 'like RAID' is already included into swaps (same priority of 2 or more swaps ~ RAID0). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909233352.3ddad23c@msi.defcon1
Re: black screen at start (if boot after a suspend)
On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:53:55 -0400 Dan Ritter d...@randomstring.org wrote: Your laptop is using some form of hibernation/suspension -- probably suspend-to-disk -- and when it tries to awaken from that state, it is not reinitializing your video card properly. Fixing suspend-to-disk, or else configuring your laptop to shut down at 5% power rather than suspend, will solve your problem. May be this pkg could help him a bit (¡trusty! is for sid, check on wikipedia for other branches): deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/linrunner/tlp/ubuntu/ trusty main as it allows to enable/disable each an every device when going sleeping|hibernating. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140908181759.24527978@msi.defcon1
Re: Forewarned is forearmed
On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 15:43:46 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: My Wheezy machine doesn't run the loopback device lo on reboot. This means I can't access my local Dovecot server. I reboot so seldom I always forget this. I've wheezy and sid machines, none of them have ever encountered that. Either you had a glitch when installing or you did something that triggered it (I keep any conf change in a text file with date and description to be sure to recover from a bad something;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140908225814.754d7991@msi.defcon1
Re: Suddenly no wifi after routine jessie upgrade -- further details
On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 23:21:05 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: I can't connect to wifi at all. Check the status of wpa-supplicant and test w/ another wifi wrapper (such as wifi-radar). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909013733.2b820c98@msi.defcon1
Re: Canon PIXMA mg5420 or HP Photo Smart 7520
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 19:06:26 -0400 ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote: In need of a new printer, having done a bit or research, and considering either the Canon PIXMA mg5420 or the HP Photo Smart 7520. Avoid all-in-one junks. Just for the story, I saw some completely refusing to work just because the scanner lamp was dead (price is close to 1/2 of the junk's price…) Think about the difference between a MIDI HIFI block and a conventional one: when you break something in a MIDI, it'll usually end up in the trash can. I've also read horror stories about the how often new ink cartridges are required, that basically you pay for the printer a second and third time buying cartridges (not to mention how often a print job is interrupted by a trip to buy new cartridges). Any first-hand reports on that? Depends on your use (home or pro). If you _really_ need color, then go for color - I think about professions that _needs_ (law mandatory) color for some texts). Depending on your monthly consumption, color laser could be an option (but watch closely the toners' prices before buying!) But if you can avoid it, then go BW laser and do NOT choose the lower model; choose a model where the cartridge includes the drum (HP is generally a good choice and compatible cartridges can be found for a fraction of the original's price with excellent perfs). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909014916.47c6afe8@msi.defcon1
Re: Restricted wifi after routine jessie upgrade
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 00:05:56 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: Not quite true, it seems. Now that I'm back at home, it connects to my home wifi just fine. So it looks as if I have trouble only when I want to connect to a different wifi than I connected to last time. This even though before the upgrade it connected fine. And aptitude will now talk to remte package repositories, at least when I'm at home. Hm, could be a DHCP lease file problem, close your connection then goto /var/lib/dhcp and rename dhclient_leases to dhclient_leases_OFF (I just done that, but it seems not to be used anymore by NM, give it a try anyway and see what's happening (w/ other networks that home)). As NM is often upgraded (in sid), so this can also be a bug; in this case, you should try (as root) to make new connections files into /etc/Network-Manager/system-connections and restart NM manually. Check the status of wpa-supplicant and test w/ another wifi wrapper (such as wifi-radar). uh. How do I check that status? And how do I test with wifi-radar. What I'm using, as far as I know, is the network manager, that apparently being the default for xfce. My wlan0 disappears when closing NM networking and I can't ifup it :( NM seems to preempt it (I see pieces of it into policykit:(( Same shit that w/ systemd;((( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909022429.0160036d@msi.defcon1
Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?
On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 17:12:11 -0700 Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: All seems well, except that the “terminal” application (the “root terminal”, also) do not start when I click on the icon. Any thoughts on how to debug this? Install another terminal app (such as eterm) and test from it to see what is spitted by the wanted app. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909022619.6d51382a@msi.defcon1
Re: Restricted wifi after routine jessie upgrade
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 00:33:01 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: Is it likely to be a systemd problem? Would it help to uninstall gnome? I was kidding (as systemd devs have the same dick heads as the gnome ones: they KNOW what's good for you). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909030004.7c3ff316@msi.defcon1
Re: Restricted wifi after routine jessie upgrade
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 00:28:41 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: Well, wifi-radar is available as a Debian package (though I can't find a wifi-supplicant package), and I found the wifi-radar wiki, so I suppose I can try that when I'm at the coffee shop next week. Or make a special trip. Testing it at home won't work -- everything works at home now. I don't think that's possible without removing NM (as the wireless I/F seems tied to it now:( Since my last upgrade, aptitude seems to report there another 200-odd packages have arrived for me to upgrade. Any chance that would help? Or would it make things worse or more confusing? Before anything, make: apt-get install apt-listbugs and read carefully what it is saying before answering Yes to an upgrade. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909030224.4bf9d248@msi.defcon1
Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 18:42:27 -0700 Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: rbthomas@debian:/usr/bin$ gnome-terminal Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.gnome.Terminal exited with status 8 From what I read (I'm not an expert, so I may be wrong), gnome-terminal called gdbus that called dbus, asking it to spawn a child of itself but this child (?) exited with a status of 8. From this error, I found what you should have found with a bit of personal research: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746415 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=180103 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140909042229.0b2d1194@msi.defcon1
Re: Make n-m not touch WWAN
On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:12:32 -0700 Matt Ventura mattvent...@mattventura.net wrote: I'll probably file a bug report somewhere about this, but in the meantime, is there a way to just get it to ignore the card? Or does enabling mobile broadband in the menu activate the card without really doing anything? I don't want it using any unnecessary cpu/mem/power compared to before the update that broke this. Ace Ventura You can fill a bug if you want, but I don't think it one. The problem is the MODEM is apparently not dissociable from the GPS. If it is really so, you're stuck. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140906042452.37ee5705@msi.defcon1
Re: Make n-m not touch WWAN
On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:44:30 -0700 Matt Ventura mattvent...@mattventura.net wrote: They're dissociable in that they share a control channel (ttyUSB0 = control, ttyUSB1 = data, ttyUSB2 = GPS output) and they share the rfkill. (Could it be a rfkill bug?) Anyway, you're right: fill a bug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140906045139.517b3624@msi.defcon1
Re: in-kernel messaging (was Re: brasero requires gvfs)
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 12:06:29 -0300 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: https://lwn.net/Articles/405346/ https://lwn.net/Articles/484203/ https://lwn.net/Articles/580194/ https://lwn.net/Articles/537017/ https://lwn.net/Articles/551969/ Thanks for these very interesting links. Be sure to read the comments as well. Not time now, but I bookmarked them for further readings. Note that this won't cover the design of DBUS itself. But keep in mind that some of the modern uses of DBUS are very unlikely to be compatible with its original design goals. One of these raised a question: how to make dbus passing large amounts of data now? From what I know, this is a very wrong question, you don't ask an everyday car to win the 24H du Mans… Not to mention a different moto in avionic than in Linux, Linux says: don't touch what's working well, avionics says: never ever touch what's working well (there are of course, exceptions (think 1st launch of Ariane-V), but these are exceptions that confirm the rule). Which doesn't mean its original design was stellar. DBUS does stink of NIH syndrome to high heaven, regardless of whether it deserves it or not. Still, it is necessary to look at what were the in-use alternatives at the time: I have this hunch that people flocked to DBUS because they were running away from the likes of CORBA. CORBA serves a different goal, where speed wasn't involve at all from its genesis; it was also only a design, which lead to some odd proprietary adds as the standard did not evolve fast enough. And to come back on large data transmission, may be this could be discussed between main IT actors (SW and HW) and chipsets (CPU?) designers, as volumes are very high (just a thought). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140904193125.39b021c0@msi.defcon1
Re: Network speed drop down to 10MBPS for unknown reason.
On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:25:14 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: @Bzzz, cables are self made. Then did you respect the wiring code of colors, and what is the length of these? -- Ben BTW, why don't you have optical fiber in your building? Magus The last time I asked the property management company, they answered me I can install a telescope on my balcony because no law forbids it. Ben Indeed… signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: brasero requires systemd-sysv
On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: I'd also like to know if there are any features of brasero that *really* require systemd to be used as the init system -- features that would not work with sysvinit. I'm hoping Michael or some other developers can chime in on this one. This doesn't work like that; it is a _chain_ of dependencies. You wrote: brasero - gvfs - gvfs-daemons - udisks2 - libpam-systemd - systemd-sysv which is much more: brasero - gvfs - gvfs-daemons - udisks2 - libpam-systemd - systemd-sysv Meaning: libpam-systemd depends on systemd-sysv udisk2 libpam-systemd gvfs-daemons udisk2 gvfs gvfs-daemons brasero gvfs Kinda (reduced;): a key is needed for my car to start and gas too (2 deps), a road is needed to run my car, I need a car to go to wallmart which is 10 miles away. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140903174117.4bfe22ce@msi.defcon1
Re: brasero requires systemd-sysv
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 12:14:16 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: [SNIP] You are preaching to the choir, Wanderer ;) - From all that I read, my conviction is Linux was becoming way too secured, ssl too (despite of recent events), thus systemd will add weaknesses (that's automatic: the more domains you dig and the more number of lines in the project = the more the number of bugs raises); that'll ease Linux stealth penetrations… -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUB0gfAAoJEF7bOzrWeFEBpREQAJgaFlgCf8lLhRhIfoJMk2Te wjWrUfq44YHdzzl5FrPtxc1hp3gOnp6xrgw54+3RdkZNMajjYqNgyzjdqgIowFwa TCzY/1YnUCRktXeoCH66PVeJFnMpboJhXmmm5P0qgEhayekUGsOOaNkNKXLTTpmQ z1a2plMWGLPH5Zh1Pm9nKUk0UfNdLvzeA2RqhKEhrVbruVtOvLYe5owXk22vvBtb pQINBQYcXHm0YorSVEjmAv35HX1wNPIEkdSd7Kww3E5TzBlPvGAAqy+DRi7wN8L/ +eWPg+G4ct2m5tAmhBikfcZgd1eK2wEOyf15Fg+EVh0N/D/fuvTax9Jc//5v2yMo 0zBmbeJ6/Einq3CJziUVJ2v0SnEAl4WuDO6mkQUm33xANEPy5EnL7jvYk7fKwG4G UFRNJuDPmUK31gn3/rJ2QxOw+3QC/Pn+Nbg3BGzVCjrpOwwJdplTcOPV9x3yfbwJ 0sFvCt+dxvwB94jfjWZtUfqJWFOSQePtsbJaV6LfVfkChcizg8Xr+RffoPAqJkyC NX8uVPhgV/eNpaFxeV51I4YqpE7nBtS3NGOWaQS+xVCAb21NW7W+EbgZHKFSjUMq vP2Rtxm/3gTBNZLBOeFGAMBDHmUjCrrSBVaC1ZK1Eb9EWwM/u0/tLsFTj8q3VwyW g/dm3DZIis+D4w3eZLrA =56kn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: in-kernel messaging (was Re: brasero requires gvfs)
On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 21:38:47 +0100 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: Thanks for your very clear explanation, Jonathan. kernel support is pretty much essential to improve the performance of dbus. Lots of data is being passed over dbus by apps nowadays, and because it's an entirely userspace solution that means data is being copied from process to process. These needless copies can be avoided with some kind of help from the kernel, but none of the existing IPC mechanisms are good enough. Beyong my leadue far this is, but applying Ocam's Razor to this situation, I'd say the solution could be to have several layers of userspace with different rights privileges ? (a bit like the i386 CPU privileges layers). This way, if app-A and app-B are authorized to communicate, no more data copy (?) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140903230210.267735a2@msi.defcon1
FTB in QT5
Hi list, I'm trying to compile pgmodeler (http://www.pgmodeler.com.br/wiki/doku.php?id=installation) from the tarball, but after a while, it FTB w/ this message: g++ -m64 -Wl,-O1 -o ../build/pgmodeler obj/main.o obj/application.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib64 /usr/local/src/pgmodeler-0.7.2/build/libutils.so /usr/local/src/pgmodeler-0.7.2/build/libparsers.so /usr/local/src/pgmodeler-0.7.2/build/libpgconnector.so /usr/local/src/pgmodeler-0.7.2/build/libobjrenderer.so /usr/local/src/pgmodeler-0.7.2/build/libpgmodeler.so /usr/local/src/pgmodeler-0.7.2/build/libpgmodeler_ui.so -lQt5PrintSupport -lQt5Widgets -lQt5Network -lQt5Gui -lQt5Core -lGL -lpthread -lpq -lxml2 -lXext -lX11 -lm make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/local/src/pgmodeler-0.7.2/main' cd plugins/dummy/ ( test -e Makefile || /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmake /usr/local/src/pgmodeler-0.7.2/plugins/dummy/dummy.pro -o Makefile ) make -f Makefile Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: uitools Makefile:435: recipe for target 'sub-plugins-dummy-make_first-ordered' failed make: *** [sub-plugins-dummy-make_first-ordered] Error 3 Unfortunately, I can't find which QT5 pkg have the module 'uitools' (I installed almost all QT5 pkgs because of that:( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140903232402.5409c858@msi.defcon1
[SOLVED] - Re: FTB in QT5
On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 23:24:02 +0200 B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote: I totally missed this point: use 32bits packages of all requirements since the Qt framework (Mingw compiler) is available only in x86 arch. Sorry for the noise. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140903233240.5375226f@msi.defcon1
Re: in-kernel messaging (was Re: brasero requires gvfs)
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 09:26:48 +0900 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: [SNIP] So, where is the solution then? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140904024233.58e4f8f7@msi.defcon1
Re: apache2 what is the standard way to enable modules?
On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 20:55:19 -0400 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: what is the name of cgi module? That would be very useful for the `a2enmod' cmd. And for something real simple like making sure it is installed. I see several files in [...]/mods-available with the string `cgi' in them. None of those show up in [...]/mods-enabled. a2enmod is just for that: creating a symlink from mods-available to mods-enabled (usually needs a restart). You could: cd mods-available grep filename /var/lib/dpkg/info/*ist which will return the name of the pkg containing this module.list; if it doesn't talk by itself, check what your pkg manager description says about it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140904030750.4aee33d7@msi.defcon1
Re: apache2 what is the standard way to enable modules?
On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 22:19:35 -0400 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: cgi firing on all 8 cylinders. Comparing to nginx, I'd say: firing on 2 cyl/8 ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140904042905.5c5e5e2f@msi.defcon1
Re: apache2 what is the standard way to enable modules?
On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 22:32:19 -0400 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Oh oh, you'll have to explain that one... it went right over my head. Just not clever enough to follow your wit. Not that nginx is way faster than apache, but it copes much better with a huge number of connections. The main (huge) difference and advantage is the way nginx handles memory that is awfully much better: ~2MB w/ 1,000 connections @ a rate of 50 conn./s, not any error, up to 12 php5-fpm running together (~2.5 MB each for my front page); which is not bad for a celeron 2.00GHz and 628MB of RAM. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140904050249.5a0892e9@msi.defcon1
Where's the log
Hi list, when awaking my laptop from sleep (not hibernate), I see very fugitive messages about pci problems on a console. No time to read it before X comes back to display, but I think it is sleep problems with some devices; which I'd like to exclude into tlp configuration. After a looong grep of 'pci' into /var/log, I couldn't find these messages, nor on a console. Do you have an idea where this log could be? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140902145843.76e1bdcb@msi.defcon1
Re: Where's the log
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 09:44:36 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: Did you already check dmesg? That's where I usually find the messages which appear during a(n attempt at) suspend/resume. Of course, as I made a grep for 'pci' into /var/log … -- Thom : Today, if you download they cut off your Internet connection, tomorrow, when you'll sing in the shower, they'll cut off water… signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Network speed drop down to 10MBPS for unknown reason.
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 18:44:39 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: i am using wheezy 7.x and for some unknown reason my network speed drop down to 10MBPS. i can see anything in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog related to the issue. when i restart the server it back to normal and shows above 50MBPS while transferring file. any idea what is happening . Are your cables manufactured or home made? -- * Cécilia was unblocked Cécilia says : kikooo!!! * Cécilia was blocked signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: embrace, extend, extinguish
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 16:41:26 +0200 Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: Then again, endless spreading of FUD on a list that is powerless to do anything about the situation, could, and should, be regarded as trolling. There is a good reason to keep FUD heated: the bigger and the deeper the project is and goes, the closer to an exponential curve is the number of bugs encountered (grave bugs especially included)… -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140902170114.54b26e5b@msi.defcon1
Re: Where's the log
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:13:02 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: I often find that there is text in dmesg which - to the best of my ability to determine - is not visible in any file under /var/log/. it is: /var/log/dmesg; furthermore, this file shows much long term info than the command itself (WTF? Write delay may be). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUBeBmAAoJEF7bOzrWeFEBB64P+gMTjJ9xLfDYi6gRH7Qco9Xr YKw29/Cc/bXJRhjJNBNHnHpF8mNeNJl71jk1MzDR7mjb0Q7O5z7B3ix/bFRP5/wq uTUA2sdZUqLfPYhU323+msvKzSDkw0/epvZ/H5JTSOT3I7HZROTRA68CGQSWzk+c N2k6TuzFSduYW3sgH08+remX4vF+rgjsYjkQ9+Qyg6iiPet/ct0cN+E6TicCVaVw OAPREoWw1CATb1tOQNrj6VRuRs/5WiVDZbfUiefY1qf+2Zoohis89odjSkkWpVJW UdbIs5kkOrUc/L/PgLS3U8el+0rw4QUICqZ/AvK/2Y4rsFlrHkjMScXSsT9NyyZr EDLhInv7dw34oVanZbHDOERCpsBc/i7YLkC+DfkHHhcGizGZ8VsLg+JqeofyWbdS jPCM6PVYkDr/nlQ45w30hj9gVJfJvXYePLKm3idJLC/8/4xrWVYAPRfuufVCNu9w jgNf8Rwt06agwuWptDiDh2iapqcaB0JKA37bE5Ry+XQNQ2HldmTIbGuh3MSVmEXU L71Tus7BbvWMV1AJABqG1p9mcaD3JDtm+O8uQfcxn/+3P74QxpC2AQfOTXsAgkms 5i5QZdp6knQiv9WT8e+rAGqWvHAN995brXI40TexXfg0D+k3IhiEKPy67/DFkhyT VgvR9Br8uPRHCJO5xjnH =pLZF -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: embrace, extend, extinguish
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 08:05:33 -0700 Jimmy Johnson field.engin...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe you should do some reading and maybe run Debian testing http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/ Hmm, this (sad) article raises a crucial question that supersedes those about systemd: can we _really_ *trust* Debian to defend us against morons, such as nsa and other assholes' agencies? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140902173556.56497570@msi.defcon1
Re: Where's the log
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:33:48 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: Ok for file≠command, both of you; anyway, I can't find my messages into either of them (and the originals are too fast to disappear to be taken in picture by my smartphone:( Note that this isn't a live or death question, just having a clear system. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUBejcAAoJEF7bOzrWeFEBNUcP/3YdXsbwmwUSi73k2KzGdXCI fGongxC7WaNNla3HHVo1bnLeLYaG8FivmA86RtsVga2OhimH1dOEkrjlegFl+bh1 O4jCh6oG9qry6M6OCxgwu80mT7/pmvcTXZIrbL7BmMzXOp2V6RU8BrH9EApmJYNc Ns/J3fws9eILWmeXMU02FB7nKBF3K4EdPlttArx4mXTU3XuVXSyjsYvUzG1alXYt TL1NAOPRkeV+cNC2edMCZ5/tRwVnYL5xPMC3gxTYUbgXocVbyMLgGR0koIEfq/6Y XomFFclErfMGscITSOXA/VcI8gW7X9QI9sbpqBDYStVCJABl/Rsx2YK6YGqdKYY8 BEPn9JLathpDUeU+apyEuj+XqDNL2pqqaZ7Zqz8Iw8GhrUZxHZzOkFpsBlMLUIPk P9z5rdaoRZTb8+saKtUeyI94XhOnvm8lPd0e2HCa4/FYqfwISF6vNOi4CbT3othy 4kbR+E/z8/x9znlBEWXr9LrCCHAeqaGvqowXoteJlF0h36S7J6+x2W+k2D8ZSTgX Xa4Sd9TqQaGfu7Qk1FJVKjNHoU1iIntDpNfhFaovJqOXFbb+M3YAs8H/NtLQ8vyQ reztOZ4E7QMJBn4RZqYYkJCBA/Y6vkE/o/CqBOhsa6n+zzAxwv3G8+jCubyY666f rkyjk0RM0LZo9IZlpkDb =5omZ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: embrace, extend, extinguish
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 17:04:45 + (UTC) Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: You should worry more about your own assholes and morons (of course, that doesn't sell to the gallery as well, now does it?) http://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2014/03/20/dgse-orange-des-liaisons-incestueuses_4386264_3210.html Yes, I know, I was speaking generally (don't push, there will be plenty for everybody tout le monde ;-p) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140902193321.05bffc18@msi.defcon1
Re: embrace, extend, extinguish
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:06:29 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: So which lists are you speaking of ? The systemd list, may be? OK, I -[] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140902193538.5a726a73@msi.defcon1
Re: embrace, extend, extinguish
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:33:12 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Even if in some later version systemd works only with this kind of scheme ? I join John about that, Debian as the very best packaging system, moving to RPM would clobber any hope to stay in the lead, despite the A grade quality of its maintainers (not to mention a majority of user ready to cut the throat to anybody taking this decision;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140902193842.787f2a6f@msi.defcon1
Re: 2 GDM3 questions
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:59:05 +0200 Paul van der Vlis p...@vandervlis.nl wrote: Background: When I login with GDM with an LDAP user GDM remembers this user and present them the next time. I've used some testusers with strange names and I would like to remove these users, because I want to make an image of this machine. apt-get purge gdm3 does not help to remove this data. Take a look at /var/cache -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140902215149.00fc91e5@msi.defcon1
Re: brasero requires gvfs
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 20:44:16 -0400 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: It didn't need systemd before, so why should it need it now? Hehe, because it sinks his claws deep and everywhere (it also plans to implant dbus _into_ the kernel (WTF? A kernel is here to kernelling and nothing else AFAIK), and also… a DHCP of its own (as if it was not enough already into Debian). Unfortunately, there are other signs, like JS in policykit, (see the thread below this one) that Linux now seems to turn into a kind of bad web application (but are there any good web apps?), full of potential juicy weaknesses ready to exploit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140903035406.010432fa@msi.defcon1
Re: SRA, secure remote access?
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:40:10 -0700 pe...@easthope.ca wrote: Can Debian support this telnet SRA login to another system? May be this could help you: http://helpdesk.princeton.edu/kb/display.plx?ID=1157 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140903035818.3dbed091@msi.defcon1
Can't reboot nor shutdown
Hi list, on my latptop (lightdm + XFCE) I can't reboot nor shutdown properly; each command ends with a black screen with a blinking cursor at top left and that's all. I waited several times more than 5 minutes, hoping some timeout was there, but nope; stopping with the power button isn't very good for the HD. On my SOS system (almost the same setup), where I only login under root, it works (but the system's not up to date). The only line I found in /var/log/syslog messages it this one (it is the last one before boot log lines): Sep 3 04:30:07 msi kernel: [239215.267029] cupsd[2445]: segfault at 0 ip 7f28d5e7bd54 sp 7fff10207b00 error 4 in libavahi-client.so.3.2.9[7f 28d5e76000+1] Does anybody knows where it could come from? (line above or missing perms?) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140903044927.738ae080@msi.defcon1
Re: Can't reboot nor shutdown
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:26:32 -0400 Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: Can't help you with the error message but to shutdown, have you tried the SysRq key? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key for details. This often gives you all kinds of ways of getting around an otherwise frozen system. It may or may not help in your case, but it's worth a shot. Yes, I did not thought about because I'm not used to it. The usual combination is SysRq + R,E,I,S,U,B (busier backwards) to trigger a safe reboot, but you could substitute the R for O to shut it off. OK, thanks, I'm gonna test this after sleep ;) Note that SysRq is usually a little hard to activate. Most desktops use Ctrl+Alt+SysRq, but with a laptop you may need to use a Fn key. On this MSI, it is a direct key (never seen that before). Thanks Gary. JY -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140903053615.23faa724@msi.defcon1
Re: backup drive has died.
On Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:19:01 +0100 Sharon Kimble boudic...@skimble.plus.com wrote: Error mounting /dev/sde1 at /media/boudiccas/back1: Command-line `mount -t ext4 -o uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid /dev/sde1 /media/boudiccas/back1' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sde1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so What does say dmesg? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: backup drive has died.
On Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:01:41 -0400 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: Drives are cheap nowadays. Assuming you can get the data off the drive, I can't see any good reason to trust it with your data again, even if you can reformat it and partition it. were it me, I wouldn't! --doug Glitches happen, Doug (especially nowadays…), and much often if machine+HD aren't plugged in a UPS. So before jettison the HD, a complete re-format with the -cc option would be interesting. One more thing: HDz, except in large secured, redundant and error corrected bays are NOT a reliable meaning of backup; tape is (LTO). -- Lilaaa but I'm a princess awaiting her prince charmant! Arafel Wait! What do you think? A guy who has to taken alone a fortress, snuffed out a frigging dragon, exhausted a mean witch and everything just to lay, a nice guy with a minty breath and shining tooth with a TINT! and hair flying in the wind? Lilaaa … Arafel Believe me girl, Shrek is the uppermost version of a realistic fairy tale… It is close to a documentary… Lilaaa … Arafel Now if you want, I can also quickly explain you Santa Claus, God and the Tooth Fairy. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[OT] - Re: embrace, extend, extinguish
On Mon, 1 Sep 2014 13:26:09 -0400 Dan Ritter d...@randomstring.org wrote: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html An article written by… one of the systemd devs……… We happen to learn that it'll also be _dependent_ on BTRFS and (may be?, when?) support EXT4 XFS (bad luck, for its features, capacities and stability, I prefer to use ZFS; unsupported?). It also carefully avoids the embedded machines questions. It finishes with: The future is going to be awesome!, for its devs, this is an absolutely sure thing ; from what it describes, I'm seeing it more like: The future is going to be cumbersome (but this is only my own impression opinion). This confirms the prima vista tentacular image. We'll see if that can resist to power users, especially those that administers thousands of servers… As P. Venezia stated (more or less:): a good idea but a bad realization. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140901205325.7ab40aee@msi.defcon1
Re: backup drive has died.
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:33:05 +1000 David bouncingc...@gmail.com wrote: smartmontools.org writes quite a lot on this topic: http://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/FAQ#SmartmontoolsforFireWireUSBandSATAdiskssystems http://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/USB http://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/Supported_USB-Devices Unfortunately, some USB HD boxes chipsets don't support a HD SMART test (or may be, the kernel chipset support isn't complete yet). I just tested on mine, which gave me a shiver when I saw it wasn't working:( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140902024406.79a3b8b5@msi.defcon1
Re: backup drive has died.
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:33:05 +1000 David bouncingc...@gmail.com wrote: OOPS, my bad (and many thanks for your links); it is working with the right switch. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140902024613.7206267c@msi.defcon1
Re: embrace, extend, extinguish
On Mon, 01 Sep 2014 21:50:04 -0500 John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: No, no. Make the kernel part of Systemd. And X as well. In this case, why not making only one package of the whole distro: systemd-all-in-one.deb-rpm-gz ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140902045805.6f26942c@msi.defcon1
Re: Errors at login : in which log can I get the message ?
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:28:11 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: I submitted a bug, however I could not find those messages in any log : why ? With people considering their mistakes something that others must fix, expect a speedy closing w/o any explanation… If something is logged to console, it should also be logged to a file, for an admin to be able to access the messages afterward. It may be related to 'journalctl' (don't remember which option to feed it with, though). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140831153906.01e1d597@msi.defcon1
Re: portability of jigdo
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: Looking around the docs I find that the easier part (1) is undocumented (or I didn't find any) Watch your step! From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigdo: Jigdo is no longer undergoing active development, but is in maintenance mode - development has stopped. Nowadays, P2P is the leader of this kind of download (the checksum insure no tampering of the whole). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140901035237.2074dd5d@msi.defcon1
Re: portability of jigdo
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: Nowadays, P2P is the leader of this kind of download (the checksum insure no tampering of the whole). Dunno what you mean by P2P. Bittorrent? Yep. My understanding is that jigdo and bittorrent solve different problems (and can be effectively used together) jigdo will figure out the contents (files) packed into an ISO and not transfer repeats. This can significantly reduce transfer-sizes. Jigdo charges pieces of eg, an ISO, from all _known_ servers. You may also have to design servers ISO slicing (which _must_ be the same for all servers) P2P is for more efficient net usage and not loading individual servers (though I dont know too much about it) P2P founds other _anonymous_ peers that have the ISO you want, connect to them, and download pieces of the whole. When the last chunk has been download, the whole ISO is reassembled from all pieces. The P2P client can download parts from another client that doesn't have the whole ISO yet (hence the advantage: an almost total rapid loss of load for the original server(s)). Eventually, the ISO checksum is verified when rebuilded (well, each part you downloaded from another peer also has its own checksum, so if you download a bad part, it is rejected). The more peers your client founds, the faster you download, becoming also a server during this time (and after if your client stays open and your ISO's at the same place). -- lea06 I'm so naive that you could have me swallow anything cch it's good to know that… :p lea06 what do you mean??? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: the Mysteries of asound.conf
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 08:38:59 -0500 Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: Since the two sound cards are different in every way but their function, anything that differentiates one from the other should cause a predictable result every time. You have to fix that yourself into etc/modprobe.d/(lets says one file: MY_SOUND_CARDS.conf) eg: I've a sound card, a DVB card, a webcam with an USB micro and the MPU-401-UART than also count for a SC; to avoid changes when the webcam isn't plugged at boot and to avoid the DVB card to take the lead, I've this file: ## ALSA: MUST load SC BEFORE anything alias snd-slot-0 snd-atiixp alias snd-card-0 snd-atiixp ## DVB Card alias snd-slot-1 cx88-alsa alias snd-card-1 cx88-alsa options cx88-alsa index=1 ## CAUTION: MPU-401-UART = SC# 2 (always!) ## Last: WC = CS# 3 (not 2, see above) alias snd-slot-2 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-2 snd-usb-audio options snd-usb-audio enable=1 index=3 -- Angel In which tale are they seven? Foxbot In Cinderella Angel Are you sure? Foxbot Yep. Cinderella and the pumpkins, that makes 7. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: the Mysteries of asound.conf
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:53:44 -0500 Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: That worked like a charm as far as I can tell. Thanks to both posters. I actually used the wrong module name for Card 1 and what happened was that the system came up after a boot only showing Card 0 and no Card 1 at all from aplay -l. I looked at lsmod again and realized the mistake, changing the module name for the SB card from snd_sb16 or something like that to sbawe. On the next boot, it came right up and both cards now show in the correct order. Both of these reboots were warm reboots and the order would have normally reversed by now. I think this is probably fixed now and I think I have learned a lot. Thanks. Excepted if one day you plug a webcam with a micro in (at this time, a very common device); which have many chances to change this biouuutifoul order depending if your WC is plugged in at boot or not. Use the index, Luke ;-p) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140829181028.6148fe20@msi.defcon1
Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:05:58 -0400 AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote: Off topic... on topic... and unthinking... systemd has already won. Fork sysvinit or don't. End of comment. Forever. For me... and leaving behind this useless mailing list -- too much spam. Take it as you like. However, I'm out. I need to attend to other things than responding to children. Brilliant declaration, sooo ayatollahs are hiding everywhere *;-p) Beware Joël, he'll launch a fatwa against you: ye, daemon, thousands of sysVinit hell's years will suffer until pledge of allegiance you make to systemd, the only and truthful godinit. I'd say only one thing: very lucky guy is the one that can foretell the future of systemd or any other stuff in IT… Well, another one: this is also why Linux is so fun! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140829203653.51e014cf@msi.defcon1
Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 07:26:30 -0400 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: So let's see... Steve posts one message with a link in it, that at least several people find relevant, useful, and interesting - and immediately gets jumped on by umpteen people who complain about the initial message, which, in turn, generate a bunch of responses. Maybe it's the systemd fanboys who need to give it a rest. Sheesh Moreover, it looks like normal (at least to me (NOT on the head!;p)) that this shift (schism?) generates a lot of discussions here, as this is the debian-_user_ ML; who can be more concerned than US, the every day users/admins? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140828142709.0639e7b6@msi.defcon1
