Re: How do you use TCPDump?
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 03:30:47AM EST, Anand Sivaram wrote: Correct, it is wireshark now. Somehow I still remember that with the name ethereal :) In ‘lenny’ at least, there's still a dummy ‘ethereal’ package.. That's how I found the new name.. couldn't remember it. Anyway, I mentioned it in case the OP needs to google for it. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110304115801.GA4176@pavo.local
Re: Debian 6 uninstallable?
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 06:06:34AM EST, Camaleón wrote: [..] For small images (netiso) I do not tend to verify the checksum I just did one.. takes about five seconds to generate the checksum. And since the checksum is going to end up very different even for a lost bit or so.. you can tell at glance whether it's right or not. media, but for bigger files (CD or DVD sets) I do, just to discard any problem with the burning proccess. I usually run md5sum a second time against the medium after burning and it only takes a few seconds: # mount /dev/sdc /media # cd /media # md5sum -c md5sum.txt But then, the only good it ever did me was to reveal some kind of bug with md5sum.txt and the install CD not being in sync'.. :-) Just did one with Linux Mint 10 Ubuntu version.. and I've wasted about an hour trying to figure out why I have files listed in md5sum.txt that do not even exist..! I guess I should've downloaded the debian-based version instead.. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110304234242.GA4059@pavo.local
Re: new hard drive usb WD My Passport essential SE 1Tb
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 03:27:50PM EST, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen wrote: I have a new usb hard drive of the specs in the subject line. On plugging it in it shows on the desktop, but on clicking it nothing happens. Anybody have experience getting this to work on debian (squeeze)? I bought one of those - USB 3.0 - from amazon.com 11/22/10 and sent it back the next day. Here's why: 1. It was randomly recognized when I plugged it into my router's USB port. Now you see it.. now you don't... 2. Same thing with the laptop running Microsoft Windows Vista..! Except that it was not random this time.. Vista saw it once and after that it disappeared. 3. It was never recognized by debian lenny. 4. I would have started researching looked for an explanation and a possible fix but then I noticed that it was clucking at me every few seconds, like it wanted to be fed or something... 5. Amazon do have a decent return policy I can only take so much aggravation these days. Hope you have better luck with yours. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110304030918.GA4250@pavo.local
Re: How do you use TCPDump?
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 09:00:43AM EST, Anand Sivaram wrote: Tcpdump and Ethereal are very similar in terms of capture filters. They both use libpcap. I believe they call it ‘wireshark’ these days.. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110304031150.GB4250@pavo.local
Re: A Debian -offtopic mailing list: to be or not to be
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 06:48:47AM EST, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Ma, 01 mar 11, 19:59:25, Chris Jones wrote: That shouldn't be a problem, the list is setup as close as possible[1] to debian-user: posting open, no reply-to munging, etc. so all you would need to do to move a discussion is reply-to-all and replace d-u with d-OT. Well, I did just that about two hours ago.. hit ‘g’ reply-to-group, which is the closest to reply-all I could find.. and changed d-u to d-ot.. and all I got was something in my inbox to the effect that my message was undeliverable.. So depending on your mailer, I'm skeptical things are that simple. My cristal ball says you have a mutt alias or hook that fills in the correct address for you (or something like that), but it doesn't work for d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org (don't forget the 'alioth' part). I know that Andrei.. and I know how to fix it and make it work.. but do many people even bother adding [OT] to the subject.. or even as I usually do myself, have the sense to drop the issue when they feel they have abused the less tolerant subscribers' patience enough already..? In any case.. even if the above had worked.. it would only have posted my particular post to d-OT.. what about the previous OT messages that were initially posted to D-U and would be essential :-) to anyone catching up understanding what I am talking about..? And how does it guarantee that whoever takes a fancy to the OT thread while reading debian-user would post to debian-OT.. rather than follow the simplest course of action and post to debian-user..? And to my initial instructions, you might want to leave d-u in for the *first* post[1], so that people from d-u who are interested know that the discussion was moved[2]. I don't know.. in most cases, you might as well move the conversation off-list.. and use reply-to-all if there are more than one other party involved.. Are OT threads of such interest that they should remain public so others get a chance to join in..? Are they worth archiving in a public repos for posterity? [1] please do set Reply-To: and/or Mail-Followup-to: to d-community-offtopic@l.a.d.o in such cases [2] one can argue that this is not necessary or even harmful for d-u, since people interested in OT discussions would already be subscribed to d-OT, but on the other hand it might help to point out to other posters in the thread to stop posting to d-u in other sub-threads. I guess I'll have to give it a try... a bit more seriously this time. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110302123435.GB8749@pavo.local
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 10:56:14AM EST, Jason Hsu wrote: [..] Linux Mint is derived from Ubuntu.. http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1604 cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110301190408.GE4119@pavo.local
Re: A Debian -offtopic mailing list: to be or not to be
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 04:10:01AM EST, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Lu, 28 feb 11, 22:47:17, Chris Jones wrote: So what do I do..? recommend we continue our heated discussion on the OT mailing list..? too bad.. she's not subscribed to D-OT .. and given the circumstances and our disagreement.. no way she's going to go through all the trouble of subscribing.. That shouldn't be a problem, the list is setup as close as possible[1] to debian-user: posting open, no reply-to munging, etc. so all you would need to do to move a discussion is reply-to-all and replace d-u with d-OT. Well, I did just that about two hours ago.. hit ‘g’ reply-to-group, which is the closest to reply-all I could find.. and changed d-u to d-ot.. and all I got was something in my inbox to the effect that my message was undeliverable.. So depending on your mailer, I'm skeptical things are that simple. In any case.. even if the above had worked.. it would only have posted my particular post to d-OT.. what about the previous OT messages that were initially posted to D-U and would be essential :-) to anyone catching up understanding what I am talking about..? And how does it guarantee that whoever takes a fancy to the OT thread while reading debian-user would post to debian-OT.. rather than follow the simplest course of action and post to debian-user..? cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110302005925.GI4119@pavo.local
Re: A Debian -offtopic mailing list: to be or not to be
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:34:04AM EST, Andrei Popescu wrote: [Cross-posted to: d-community-offtopic, debian-user] [For those who don't know what I'm talking about, please see #425439 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425439] Hi, Being the stubborn person that I am, I want to give one more chance to the -offtopic list for Debian users and/or developers. Thanks to Holger Levsen, the list is currently hosted on lists.alioth.debian.org by the Debian Community project and has some 30+ subscribers. However, activity is zero (not counting the occasional spam). Interestingly, the OT threads on debian-user also went down a lot since a few years, for reasons unknown to me. So, unless something happens on the list (apart from this thread and the spam) I intend to remove/delete the list within a month. Still haunts me.. I shouldn't have done, but I bit.. and I got involved in yet another OT squabble. Being a proud responsible D-U citizen I'm embarrassed .. deep down, I know I should have ignored the idiot.. but it's too late now.. I can't just let go... I have to stick to my guns and reply to the obnoxious poster who so ridiculed my previous valuable contribution.. But wait.. maybe I could carry this over to D-OT, what..? So what do I do..? recommend we continue our heated discussion on the OT mailing list..? too bad.. she's not subscribed to D-OT .. and given the circumstances and our disagreement.. no way she's going to go through all the trouble of subscribing.. Otherwise.. maybe I could use the scripting capabilities of my mutt to forward the entire thread to debian-off-topic and post some kind of form? telling her that I'd be delighted to continue discussing.. and if she is agreeable, she only needs to click on the proverbial ‘here’ at the bottom of the form to be almost automatically subscribed to D-OT, so we can ‘legally’ carry on with our jousting.. and in so doing.. stop bothering the less tolerant technically-minded subscribers of D-U.. ?? Nobody is going to _start_ a thread on ‘debian-OT’ .. I mean OT.. sure.. but relative to what..? and there does not seem to be a simple mechanism where one could migrate a flourishing OT sub-thread from D-Uto D-OT.. Makes sense there is ~= None activity on D-OT.. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110301034717.GC4119@pavo.local
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 03:46:27PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/2011 01:50 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:34:05 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote: Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or widespread a bit more what is going on? Should??? It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing that neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort, bandwidth, etc, those who still use oldstable should just be glad that he's doing it. I think you misunderstood my words... or maybe I didn't chose the right ones. I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories. Yes, it would be nice and useful. However, the word should in English expresses (in gcide's words) moral obligation, and Christian Marillat is under no moral obligation to do so. Merriam-Webster uses the similar phrase express obligation, propriety, or expediency. Hm.. Camaléon used the ‘interro-negative’ form: ‘shouldn't’.. Quite different from an affirmative ‘should’.. Take for instance: ‘Shouldn't we ban OT'ers and nitpickers from the list?’¹ I don't see much (if any) moral obligation involved in the above.. or expediency.. or propriety..? Rather a suggestion that so doing might be a good idea. Not essentially different from ‘Don't you think we should ban...’ When I read it, I felt Camaléon meant ‘What do you guys think?’.. rather than suggest that the DM team was under any obligation to keep us posted with regard to their progress. Yes..? No..? cj ¹ A purely rhetorical question ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110224001134.GA4224@pavo.local
Re: Setup xterm to use TrueType Fonts in .Xdefaults
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 11:15:08AM EST, Csanyi Pal wrote: Hi, I'm trying to setup in .Xdefaults for xterm to use TrueType Fonts so I don't must use every time the 'control' key and pointer button three to set this up in the VT Fonts menu. I want also to setup the geometry for xterm and enable blinking cursor too. Lines that I tried to use for this setup in .Xdefaults doesn't works when I log out/in into X Window system, but only works when I run the command 'xrdb -merge .Xdefaults': xterm*geometry: 90x40 xterm*renderFont: default xterm*cursorBlink: true try (untested): xterm.VT100.renderFont: default Not sure what font ‘default’ points to.. Also when I start another xterm window after run the command 'xrdb -merge .Xdefaults' I can't use the xterm menus anymore (control key and mouse buttons) because the menus become so large that it can't be displayed. Depending on how you start X (startx?).. you could add your ‘xrdb -merge’ comnand to your ~/.xinitrc. I'm not sure whether is the renderFont option the right option for setting up xterm for TrueType Fonts? You could also try ‘faceName’. Check ‘man xterm’. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110220202203.GC4162@pavo.local
Re: xterm question [SOLVED]
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 01:47:27AM EST, Mike McClain wrote: [..] After a day spent reading several articles on X and xterm I finally came to the realization that the use of bind you pointed out earlier in this thread would do what I wanted. Using ^v to see what the key combinations were sending it wasn't much trouble to put together a file to feed to bind to set the bindings I wanted. Great..! mike@/deb40a:~ cat xterm_bindings # xterm bindings2/17/11 Mc # use: bind -f xterm_bindings # ^Home \M-[1;5H: backward-kill-line # ^End \M-[1;5F: kill-line # ^Del \M-[3;5~: kill-whole-line # ^BS \C-H: backward-kill-word # ^Left \M-[1;5D: backward-word # ^Right \M-[1;5C: forward-word I use these readline editing bindings on the CL all the time and really missed them in xterm. Thanks for your help, You're welcome, glad I could be of some help. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110218081019.GE29770@pavo.local
Re: How long has your Lenny - Squeeze upgrade taken?
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 04:35:54AM EST, Clive Standbridge wrote: Realizing this is dependent on computer specs, just curious what some of the people on this list have experienced for how much time it took to do the Lenny to Squeeze upgrade, (assuming a fully up-to-date Lenny system). Based on upgrades of earlier releases (haven't upgraded anything to squeeze yet), you are looking at hours, not minutes. My record is 13 hours for an etch to lenny upgrade. Mine is something like 8 months.. due to a problem with a PCMCIA card and looking at the wrong doc.. Of course, the issue being that specific, there was no way it was ever going to be mentioned in the etch release notes.:-( Of course, since sarge was still supported, and since I always do the ugrade on a clone of the previous system, I had little motivation to make things happen any faster. But all the same, I currently have linux console resolution problems with my squeeze upgrade with no end in sight. Just to mention that depending on your circumstances, and how much inconvenience you're prepared to put up with with the new system, there's always a chance that you may run into a showstopper that may delay the switch for much longer than the time the upgrade procedure actually takes. On a 2Mbit connection only a small proportion of that time was spent downloading packages. The system was an AMD Duron 650MHz of 2000 vintage, and laden with Gnome, KDE, and various server packages including cups, exim, apache, hplip, moinmoin. (Note to self: purge unwanted software before the next upgrade). Even on much newer/faster and less loaded systems I don't recall any upgrade taking much less than an hour. You need to be on hand during the upgrade, as configuration questions can occur at any time. Also if you rely on the system for anything important, you need to allow time to diagnose and fix the fallout i.e. breakages that aren't covered in the release notes. It happens unfortunately. Oh yes, it does.. :-( cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110218130228.GF29770@pavo.local
Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 07:12:02PM EST, Brad Alexander wrote: [..] Honestly, I saw the writing on the wall when Elom was named CEO of Nokia. It's ‘Elop’.. easy mnemonics:. rhymes with cop, flop, mop, slop, etc. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110216080242.GB4201@pavo.local
Re: xterm question
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:33:13AM EST, Chris Jones wrote: [..] He probably wants: $ xrdb -load ~/.Xresources That should have been.. $ xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources %-) cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110216143927.GE4201@pavo.local
Re: xterm question
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:39:39PM EST, Mike McClain wrote: [..] That said the complexities of 'nix is a broad subject and though I've been a user for many years there is still so much I don't know that it's easy to get overwhelmed. Rob's shortcut for instance: uxterm -fn -misc-fixed-medium-*-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-* I've looked at the man pages for xterm and uxterm and can see that '-fn' sets the font but have yet to find the explaination for the '-*-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-*' part of that line. Take a look at this.. Chapter 7, IIRC.. http://www.archive.org/stream/xwindowsytemosf03querarch/xwindowsytemosf03querarch.djvu Unless your browser can display it, you need to download the .djvu file and you can use the ‘evince’ viewer to access it. It's a scanned copy of the original and much smaller and better quality than the .pdf. If you're interested in the way ‘X’ handles font specification, you will also find a very clear description of how you can put to good use such standard utilities as ‘xfd’ and ‘xfontsel’. I read through the man page for bind several times trying to understand how it could be used to setup key bindings and would probably be still scratching my head had 'which bind' not come up empty. Shoot... I remember thinking.. need to tell him that bind is a shell builtin.. so you need to use ‘help bind’ or better ‘man bash’ (or ‘info bash’) .. not ‘man bind’.. and I forgot. 'help bind' showed me the bind you guys were using/discussing. I work mainly on the commandline and have setup my own inputrc and a script that calls loadkeys for readline editing functions in bash such as ^Home -- bash:backward-kill-line but never used bind by itself. Speaking of which, these mappings don't seem to carry over into xterm. Can you point the way to setup similar bash functionality in xterm? I would suspect this may have to do with navigation keys support in XTerm .. arrows, Home.. End.. Pgup.. etc. I don't know the details because I do my best NOT to use any keys that live beyond my stubby fingers' reach but if you google for something like ‘xterm arrow keys’ or ‘xterm home end key’ etc. you should quickly be able to tell whether this is relevant or yet just another bad guess on my part. If I guessed right, it's likely going to boil down to your terminal description (cf. the contents of the $TERM environment variable) - not describing such capabilities for the benefit of client applications. Mileage solving problems in this area varies. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110216181949.GF4201@pavo.local
Re: best labtop for debian
On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 04:10:11PM EST, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 15:09:23 -0700 [..] Good to know, thanks - I've heard that before. The keyboard is the one thing about which I'm really dissatisfied with my Acer Aspire, although that's not Linux specific. Not sure which particular models, which part of the world they ship.. etc. but Lenovo now often install lower quality keyboards on at least some ThinkPads, the main difference being that where the old keyboard had a solid metal back plate, the newer model has a thinner sheet of metal with rectangular cutouts every couple of inches either to help dissipate the heat or reduce the weight of the machine by a few grams. As a result, the newer keyboards have considerably more flex than the older models. Seems other folks have noticed: http://www.google.com/search?q=thinkpad+keyboard+flex In my case some of the keys, especially near the top right of the keyboard, in the area where the Backspace key lives, had the ‘under the fingers’ stability of a trampoline and produced unseemly ‘thunks’ every time I hit them. Better than my prose, here's an graphic illustration of the symptoms: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKs1YqEWXD0 It was a bit of an uphill battle, but after spending over an hour of my time on the phone with Lenovo, I was able to have one of the older models overnighted to me free of charge under the machine's warranty. In the event you or anyone else acquires a ThinkPad in the near future, I advise you read recent reviews of the model you have in mind, paying attention to what they say about the keyboard. And be prepared to fork out an extra 50-70 dollars to buy a replacement keyboard from a 3rd party reseller in the event Lenovo cannot / will not replace it. Reminds me I need to buy a couple of spares while they last... cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110217011627.GH4201@pavo.local
Re: I want beep in urxvt terminal
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 02:55:05PM EST, Csanyi Pal wrote: Hi, on my Debian GNU/Linux Squeeze system in the textual - command line environment - console I can hear beep when hit on keyboard Down at the and of command history, but in the grapchical environment - X Window - in a rxvt (urxvt) terminal I can't hear it. Why? I have installed alsa stuff, I can play music with Audacious.. Any advices will be appreciated! Does it beep in other terminals under X.. xterm, gnome-terminal..? Shot in the dark: what does ‘xset q | grep bell’ ouput? cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110215162447.GD4201@pavo.local
Re: xterm question
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 04:52:54AM EST, Clive Standbridge wrote: Every time I launch X I open a couple of xterm windows but have to Ctrl Middle click in the window to set the VT font to large before it's usable to my old eyes. I'd like to automate that but have never figured out how. I've tried set-vt-font in .Xdefaults but that didn't help and don't see anything in the xterm man page that makes me think it would do the trick. Suggestions? Hi Mike, One way is to put a line like one of the following in ~/.Xresources *font: 6x13 XTerm*font: 7x14 The latter affects just xterm, but the former affects anything that uses a font resource (xterm, rxvt, emacs, etc.). You can test changes without restarting X by running xrdb -load ~/.Xresources He probably wants: $ xrdb -load ~/.Xresources cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110215163313.GE4201@pavo.local
Re: I want beep in urxvt terminal
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:33:45AM EST, Csanyi Pal wrote: Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com writes: [..] Does it beep in other terminals under X.. xterm, gnome-terminal..? If I run the 'beep' command in any terminal emulator (xterm, urxvt, gnome-terminal, terminal.app) that's not what I meant.. I can hear beep, but if I try to hit Down key when in empty commandline at prompt, then I can't hear beep. OK. And this happens whichever the terminal, not just rxvt..? IOW, if you hit PgDown with the cursor in an XTerm at the prompt and nothing else on the command-line you don't hear a beep, correct? Shot in the dark: what does ‘xset q | grep bell’ ouput? $ xset q | grep bell bell percent: 50 bell pitch: 400 bell duration: 100 That was a long shot.. Same defaults here anyway.. and yet the beeps are quite loud when I do anything in XTerm/bash that I shouldn't have done.. :-( cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110215213200.GG4201@pavo.local
Re: xterm question
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 01:58:51PM EST, Mike McClain wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 07:31:01AM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: I call xterm from a hotkey like this: uxterm -fn -misc-fixed-medium-*-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Rob your answer is way over my head. If I have any hotkeys in X I don't know about them and I certainly don't know how to set one. Not it's not (over your head).. :-) $ bind '\C-t: Hello world' Then when you type Ctrl-T you get: $ Hello World Hence: $ bind '\C-t: xterm^M' .. and press Ctrl-T you start a new xterm - try it. Notes: 1. to enter the ^M in the above bind command, you need to type CTRL-V and then hit the Enter key. 2. once you get add a binding to work you may want to add it to ~/.xinitrc 3. it may be more user-friendly to use your window manager or desktop's capabilities to create such custom bindings. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110215215209.GH4201@pavo.local
Re: Middle button copy/paste
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:04:51AM EST, Jochen Schulz wrote: Please don't top-post. Instead, trim the quotes and write your reply below or in-between. Radhakrishna Bhat: Not sure, but I think you need to be running 'gpm' daemon for middle button paste to work. Gpm is only needed for mouse support in the VTs. X doesn't need that. np s/VT/linux\ console X sessions usually run on VTs as well. /np cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110215220127.GI4201@pavo.local
Re: xterm question
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:16:43PM EST, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:52:09 -0500 Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: $ bind '\C-t: xterm^M' .. and press Ctrl-T you start a new xterm - try it. Notes: 1. to enter the ^M in the above bind command, you need to type CTRL-V and then hit the Enter key. You can also use \n Just in case you can't remember ctrl-V, me.. it's the other way around.. I can just about remember where the enter key is.. :-) but I don't do bind much.. just thought I'd tell Mike that nothing in the stupid computer is ‘above his head’.. or even worse think it's ctl-Q, since that's the emacs prefix-actual-key command :-) .. and I don't do emacs either.. sorry.. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110216075642.GA4201@pavo.local
Re: Help with my Squeeze upgrade! (missing fonts)
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:38:36PM EST, Erin Brinkley wrote: Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 03:19:38PM EST, Erin Brinkley wrote: [..] I guess that leaves three loose ends to this whole adventure: (1) Is it recommended to try adding /usr/share/texmf and /usr/share/texmf-texlive fonts to fontconfig? Did you check the /etc/conf.d and /etc/conf.avail directories..? Or is this different on squeeze? Yep, sure is different! I have no /etc/conf.d or /etc/conf.avail directories at all!! Ah.. thanks for the info. Adding this to my personal squeeze upgrade notes. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110214183243.GC4201@pavo.local
Re: Buffers VS Page Cache
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 08:46:40PM EST, George Shuklin wrote: Good day. I'm trying to understand difference between Buffers and Page Cache in Linux, but found almost no documentation. Where ‘in Linux’..? What exactly are you looking at..? As far as I understand buffers and Page Cache serves same purpose: they save recent reed/written pages and allow to reduce amount of actual IO. ... regardless of the OS. So, the questions: 1) What difference between buffers and page cache? 2) What data goes to Cache? Buffers..? 3) What data goes to Cache? 4) Why this separation was needed? I'm tempted to say that if you are trying to solve a specific problem relative to these aspects, you need to provide more information as to what your are seeing and what you are trying to do. If you want to generally refine your knowledge of such aspects, I would suggest googling a bit and reading some of the numerous articles on the subject or the kernel documentation, and perhaps get back to the list if you need any clarification. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110213164704.GA4240@pavo.local
Re: Fwd: Re: Buffers VS Page Cache
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:39:07PM EST, George Shuklin wrote: I have started my post from sentence 'almost no documentation'. Ok, I repeat my question in most simple form: cat /proc/meminfo MemTotal:8197852 kB MemFree: 89764 kB Buffers: 16436 kB Cached: 3782336 kB [..] Well http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+meminfo gives 137,000 results. Are you suggesting I do your research for you? My knowledge of these aspects is too limited to reply further.. I was hinting that your original question was too general to attract answers. This may provide clues or a starting point: http://www.informit.com/content/images/0131453483/downloads/gorman_book.pdf cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110213203511.GB4240@pavo.local
Re: Help with my Squeeze upgrade! (missing fonts)
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 03:19:38PM EST, Erin Brinkley wrote: [..] I guess that leaves three loose ends to this whole adventure: (1) Is it recommended to try adding /usr/share/texmf and /usr/share/texmf-texlive fonts to fontconfig? Did you check the /etc/conf.d and /etc/conf.avail directories..? Or is this different on squeeze? cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110211214952.GC4274@pavo.local
Re: guidance for making a .Xresources file.
On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 12:03:04PM EST, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: Appears that I need to make a .Xresources file before TightVNC will work. Can anyone recommend instructions or examples for the task? The transcript from the TightVNC follows. Thanks, ... Peter E. peter@dalton:~$ tightvncserver :1 -geometry 620x730 -depth 16 New 'X' desktop is dalton:1 Starting applications specified in /home/peter/.vnc/xstartup Log file is /home/peter/.vnc/dalton:1.log peter@dalton:~$ cat .vnc/dalton:1.log 09/02/11 08:45:59 Xvnc version TightVNC-1.3.9 09/02/11 08:45:59 Copyright (C) 2000-2007 TightVNC Group 09/02/11 08:45:59 Copyright (C) 1999 ATT Laboratories Cambridge 09/02/11 08:45:59 All Rights Reserved. 09/02/11 08:45:59 See http://www.tightvnc.com/ for information on TightVNC 09/02/11 08:45:59 Desktop name 'X' (dalton:1) 09/02/11 08:45:59 Protocol versions supported: 3.3, 3.7, 3.8, 3.7t, 3.8t 09/02/11 08:45:59 Listening for VNC connections on TCP port 5901 xrdb: No such file or directory xrdb: can't open file '/home/peter/.Xresources' peter@dalton:~$ That's odd.. the vnc4server script on ‘lenny’ from the vnc4server package tests the existence of the file: [ -r ~/.Xresources ] xrdb -merge ... Maybe you could get away with defining an empty ~/.Xresources file: $ touch ~/.Xresources cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110209182156.GB4239@pavo.local
Re: Help with my Squeeze upgrade! (missing fonts)
On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 11:40:30AM EST, Erin Brinkley wrote:
[..]
$ locate lmtypewriter
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/truetype/hoekwater/lm/lmtypewriter10-regular.ttf
$ emacs -fn LMTypewriter-10
Font `LMTypewriter-10' is not defined
$
This used to work just fine!
That's odd.. I would've thought the ‘-fn’ flag would not support .ttf
fonts. I don't use emacs, but other X programs such as XTerm, xfd, etc.
use the ‘-fa’ flag when using the ‘typeface’ syntax. Maybe emacs doesn't
make such sublte distinctions.
Do I have to do something new to get the /usr/share/texmf/ fonts to go
in X now?
Since I would imagine X knows nothing about these directories (unless
you have them in an xorg.conf file for instance).. I would take a look
at fontconfig:
$ fc-list | less
Check the name under which fontconfig has it listed.. Is it
LMTypewriter-10, LMTypewriter10, LMtypewriter10.. etc. Since you spelled
the typeface differently above and below, could be a typo..?
Also I tried xlsfonts to see if it's there, and this is weird:
$ xlsfonts | grep typewriter
...
-unregistered-latin modern typewriter variable
width-dark-o-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
-unregistered-latin modern typewriter variable
width-dark-o-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
-unregistered-latin modern typewriter variable
width-dark-o-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-15
-unregistered-latin modern typewriter variable
width-dark-o-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-15
Since he does not know about ‘LMTypewriter-10’, you could try the ‘emacs
-fn -unregistered-latin modern typewriter variable width-* syntax..
see what happens.
...
lucidasanstypewriter-10
lucidasanstypewriter-10
lucidasanstypewriter-10
lucidasanstypewriter-10
lucidasanstypewriter-10
lucidasanstypewriter-10
lucidasanstypewriter-10
lucidasanstypewriter-10
lucidasanstypewriter-12
lucidasanstypewriter-12
lucidasanstypewriter-12
lucidasanstypewriter-12
lucidasanstypewriter-12
lucidasanstypewriter-12
lucidasanstypewriter-12
lucidasanstypewriter-12
...
$
I don't remember latin modern typewriter being listed like that.
I thought it used to list out as lmtypewriter-10 ... and also, why
are there tons of the same listings like lucidasanstypewriter-12?
Presumably you never noticed it before.. I'm sure I had not. These are
bitmap font aliases and since there are different font.aliases files in
the /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/{75,100}dpi/ directories, there are
multiple definitions, and it appears xlsfonts lists them all..
Doesn't make sense.
cj
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Re: guidance for making a .Xresources file.
On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 01:28:53PM EST, Bob Proulx wrote: Chris Jones wrote: That's odd.. the vnc4server script on ‘lenny’ from the vnc4server package tests the existence of the file: [ -r ~/.Xresources ] xrdb -merge ... The vncserver uses the alternatives. It could be one of several different servers. From my machine: $ update-alternatives --display vncserver vncserver - auto mode link currently points to /usr/bin/tightvncserver /usr/bin/tightvncserver - priority 70 slave vncconnect: /usr/bin/tightvncconnect slave vncconnect.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/tightvncconnect.1.gz slave vncserver.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/tightvncserver.1.gz Current 'best' version is '/usr/bin/tightvncserver'. The tightvncserver package says: Creating default startup script /home/bob/.vnc/xstartup And that file is: #!/bin/sh xrdb $HOME/.Xresources xsetroot -solid grey #x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title $VNCDESKTOP Desktop #x-window-manager # Fix to make GNOME work export XKL_XMODMAP_DISABLE=1 /etc/X11/Xsession But undoubtedly other vnc servers create different files there. :-) Ah, yes.. I'm unclear as to how I got to have vnc4server and tightvncserver both installed on my machine. :-) Now the problem is that I use the old, possibly deprecated, ~/.Xdefaults and I have a lot of stuff in there. Since I was in a rush and testing something unrelated, when I saw that I was gettting the wrong fonts, colors, etc. etc. I just duplicated did: cp .Xdefaults .Xresources. That's what gave me the idea of the empty ~/.Xresources file. But since debian systems also have tons of X system-wide resources in /etc/X11/app-defaults/*, I think I should keep that in mind, and check whether whatever vnc server I'm running is aware of those.. or maybe they're picked up by default anyway and I shouldn't worry about it. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110209185522.GD4239@pavo.local
Re: Help with my Squeeze upgrade! (missing fonts)
On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 01:34:36PM EST, Erin Brinkley wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: This is a shoot in the dark, but maybe you are experiencing some of the side effects this FAQ is pointing out :-? Seems like a good idea. I checked it. Now in /etc/fonts/local.conf there is no mention of bitmapped fonts, but instead there's a symlink 70-no-bitmaps.conf in /etc/fonts/conf.d/ ... so I deleted it and updated the font cache. Got about 250 new fonts ... but my LMTypewriter-10 was not among them! Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought LMTypewriter was a true type font? cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110209191218.GE4239@pavo.local
Losing hi-res with Xen kernel
I did the following to set up a Xen dom0: 1. squeeze AMD64 install on a new partition 2. apt-get install the Xen packages (cf. Xen/debian wiki) 3. tweak the grub2 environment and install it to the MBR 4. boot the Xen dom0 kernel Now, the odd thing is that while doing steps [2-3] above, I'm working at my preferred 1920x1200 resolution, but after I boot the Xen kernel, I'm down to 1280x800.. When I reboot into that system pointing to squeeze's original ‘non-Xen’ 64-bit kernel, I'm back at 1920x1200.. Has anyone witnessed a similar scenario..? Could it be caused by some peculiarity of the Xen-ified kernel that prevents the ‘nouveau’ driver from loading and results in a fallback to one that does not support my display's optimal resolution..? Any idea how I should go about fixing this..? Thanks, cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110209194329.GF4239@pavo.local
Re: guidance for making a .Xresources file.
On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 04:32:05PM EST, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote: [..] They do? It's not configured by default or populated in /etc/skel. I doubt most users would go about adding one themselves. Trust the little beggars.. Yes, _if_ you're going to specify custom xrdb resources, that's the default place to do so, but for the bulk of the userbase, that's probably two or three levels of obscure arcana. .. drop your guard and reality ‘obscurely’ hits back and bites your ass. An empty .Xresources should work just fine, but if that's required by the tightvnc (or other) package, I'd file a bug. Odd vnc4server doesn't have this particular issue. Someone and somebody are apparently not talking... cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110209224812.GG4239@pavo.local
Re: Help with my Squeeze upgrade! (missing fonts)
On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 02:11:41PM EST, Erin Brinkley wrote: Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: That's odd.. I would've thought the ‘-fn’ flag would not support .ttf fonts. I don't use emacs, but other X programs such as XTerm, xfd, etc. use the ‘-fa’ flag when using the ‘typeface’ syntax. Maybe emacs doesn't make such sublte distinctions. The normal way I do it is in my .emacs file: (set-face-attribute 'default nil :font LMTypewriter10-18) Ah.. You have ‘emacs’ linked to some GUI (xemacs?) incarnation, right? I don't know about the above syntax, but after installing the ‘context’ package, I definitely have the ‘latin modern typewriter‘ and the ‘latin modern typewriter variable width’ fonts in the Options- Fonts submenu.. That's in lenny.. Do you have these in squeeze? cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110210024736.GH4239@pavo.local
[OT] Expert install.. was: help
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 08:13:37PM EST, Joey Hess wrote: [..] There is no need to use any expert install option with squeeze. Simply follow the instructions it presents: Maybe the next incarnation of the installer should do away once and for all with this ‘expert’ misnomer. Although it may require being marginally more knowledgeable to carry out successfully, the difference between the default install and the so-called ‘expert‘ mode is not so much a matter of ‘expertise’ but rather a matter of whether the default options judiciously chosen to address the more common scenarios cover your needs or not. I feel that something along the lines of ‘advanced options’ rather than this confusing and unnecessarily intimidating appellation would be more to the point. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110207184819.GE4500@pavo.local
Re: Firware drivers?
On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 10:28:19PM EST, Tarek Soliman wrote: On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 01:03:43PM -0800, Arthur Barlow wrote: Are you guys kidding??!!! I've been using testing for years with very little problems. You should know that every time a release happens, both testing and unstable go into flux. Here are some free tips for everyone: Do not track stable or testing. Track the release names instead. This will prevent unexpected upgrades If you've been tracking testing (e.g. squeeze in this case) and a release happens, don't switch to the next one until a month after the stable release. This is because of the dozens of maintainers who have been holding it in. system. Have knoppix or some liveCD handy and learn how to chroot. I understand your pain and frustration but you're not going to make any friends here with this kind of attitude. I had to upgrade 5 machines on Sunday and I spent the whole day doing it because of various problems. I followed the release notes and one of the lenny laptops that had an nvidia card lost its console when I upgraded the kernel and udev and rebooted. (as instructed by the upgrade guide) I didn't lash out because I knew it was risky and I knew there was a way out. This is what comes out of years of using debian. Food for thought.. I've printed it as a reminder.. in the event I run into some real nasties and start losing my cool. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110208061555.GA4221@pavo.local
Backup media - double-layer DVD
I burn my backups to regular single-layer DVD's once in a while. DVD+RW is what I use, but now it looks like I'm flirting with their limit in terms of capacity.. In the long run, this probably means that I need to review my backup policies, maybe separating /home from the rest of the system, but this has made me curious as to what dual-layer DVD burners/media may offer. I didn't find much in terms of easy-to-digest documentation, and I'm under the impression that dual-layer DVD's are WORM-only.. IOW multiple writes are not supported (?). Sounds like they're meant for audio/video stuff rather than really useful as a backup medium, no? Do some of you people still use DVD's as an external medium for backups..? Has anyone run into this problem and come up with a solution that's practical, simple, and elegant? Thanks for your comments, cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110202160711.GA4093@pavo.local
Re: Backup media - double-layer DVD
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 11:27:57AM EST, Gilbert Sullivan wrote: On 02/02/2011 11:07 AM, Chris Jones wrote: I burn my backups to regular single-layer DVD's once in a while. DVD+RW is what I use, but now it looks like I'm flirting with their limit in terms of capacity.. [..] My comments probably won't be very helpful to you. I seem to be at about the same point as you, with respect to use of optical discs for backup purposes. I use them only for the really important stuff that I want backed up to a separate system, an external portable hard drive, AND to optical disc. One trick I use is copy my back-up file (encrypted) to my cell phone's micro-SD.. In the event disaster struck, I would either be out of the house with my cell phone, or grab a few belongings including said mobile before I rushed outside. The problem with that is that it still has the original vfat .. formatting, and whatever it is, it doesn't like 4G+ files either :-) I bought a cakebox of DVD+R(DL) discs thinking that I could just keep on using xfburn. Unfortunately, xfburn isn't interested. I've only managed to use brasero to burn a large ( 4.3 GB) tar.gz file to a dual layer disc, and the results of hashing the file on the DL disc didn't match the hash of the original file. So, I've started splitting my archive files and burning them to single-layer discs. I guess that addresses my original question in good part.. I already have a large enough collection of coasters, thank you. I'd love to be able to use the dual layer discs. And I'd even consider buying and using a BluRay drive -- if that would offer a valid solution for burning my data in one go. But I wonder if BR isn't multimedia-centric in the same way as dual layer DVD+R(DL). Apart from the cost of the medium... I am very suspicious of all the hidden stuff that infects anything Blu-Ray.. And you're probably right.. may turn out to be unsuitable for data archiving. I don't ever do multi-session burning, though. I just do single track-at-once burns. I've run into too many issues in the past with borked ToC (though that was under Windows). I'm a simple guy. Same here.. That's one of the reason I'm not in too much of a rush to revamp my current backup procedures. If it bit me once without what I consider to be good cause, I don't pet it again. :-) cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110202181020.GB4093@pavo.local
Re: Backup media - double-layer DVD
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 11:18:06AM EST, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:07:11 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: (...) Do some of you people still use DVD's as an external medium for backups..? I prefer to store data in hard disks, but DVD-RAM (DL) could be worth a try in the event I'd look for an optical backup solution. Thanks, will check whether my drive supports them. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110202181129.GC4093@pavo.local
Re: Backup media - double-layer DVD
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 11:18:06AM EST, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:07:11 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: (...) Do some of you people still use DVD's as an external medium for backups..? I prefer to store data in hard disks, but DVD-RAM (DL) could be worth a try in the event I'd look for an optical backup solution. hwinfo has storage.cdrom.dvdram=true.. which looks promising.. Doesn't say anything about double-layer.. or are they dual-sided? Thanks, cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110202184443.GD4093@pavo.local
Re: Backup media - double-layer DVD
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 02:10:53PM EST, Curt Howland wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 = I prefer to store data in hard disks, but DVD-RAM (DL) could be worth a try in the event I'd look for an optical backup solution. Thanks, will check whether my drive supports them. = Here's one way to find out: = $ dmesg | grep -i dvd [4.391488] ata6.00: ATAPI: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170A, 1.02, max UDMA/66 [4.398498] scsi 5:0:0:0: CD-ROMOptiarc DVD RW AD-7170A 1.02 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [5.065253] sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray = Looks promising: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 62x/62x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray One thing that tripped me up when I first used DVD-RAM is that it is unbelievably SLOW. When I thought the system was done writing, it Ouch.. I read something in wikipedia re: fast media not being sold in the US.. Also, don't buy cheap. For all their 20 year archive design, I've had files lost on three different DVD-RAM disks, something I never Ah.. good to know. Never trusted optical drives in the first place. There's an up-front cost involved, but provided I create ext2 partitions, it looks like SD cards might be the better solution. Thanks, cj Paul.. I think you sent your post to my personal e-mail rather than the list, somehow.. so I cannot use your message to reply to the list without unseemly contortions :-) In any event, I also create and store my backups on a HDD.. and ‘once in a while’.. that's roughly every month when I remember.. copy the files to optical media. Not sure it's worth the trouble but that's my lot.. On the 2-3 occasions where I needed to take a look at an earlier state of my system, I used the disk versions of the backups.. but then what happens if/when your/my house is struck by lightning, flooded, bombed, repossessed.. etc..? I think the sd card on my cell-phone is a pretty good solution after all.. fast.. reliable.. I hope :-) .. hassle-free (so I'm less likely to skip the routine).. effective.. since it's highly unlikely I lose my phone and my house at the same time.. relatively safe physically, with the card tucked away in the entrails of my cell phone.. and with decent encryption.. not likely any thieving THD will get to my PINs and stuff before my credit cards expire. And pretty economical too, since the lone 16GB card I already own should suffice for years to come. Thanks, cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110202202524.GE4093@pavo.local
Re: Backup media - double-layer DVD
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 02:27:50PM EST, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 13:44:43 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: Doesn't say anything about double-layer.. or are they dual-sided? Hum, OSTA calls them double-sided ;-P http://www.osta.org/technology/dvdqa/dvdqa6.htm Looks like I suspected right, then.. but anyway, what with all the good things I'm hearing about DVD-RAM's, I think I'll pass. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110202212616.GF4093@pavo.local
Waiting for Squeeze - was: Backup media - double-layer DVD
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 05:35:51PM EST, Gilbert Sullivan wrote: On 02/02/2011 01:10 PM, Chris Jones wrote: (...) One trick I use is copy my back-up file (encrypted) to my cell phone's micro-SD.. In the event disaster struck, I would either be out of the house with my cell phone, or grab a few belongings including said mobile before I rushed outside. The problem with that is that it still has the original vfat .. formatting, and whatever it is, it doesn't like 4G+ files either :-) People think I'm crazy, Oh, no... not at all... ;-) but, when I leave the house, I always carry a disc wallet that holds the last year's worth of weekly full backups on DVD+R. (Well, I probably am crazy, but this isn't a sign of it.) I'm looking into implants.. I mean sticking non-volatile memory under my skin in carefully selected areas of my body, in case I run into serious trouble but am fortunate to end up only partially dismembered.. presumably with some form of Bluetooth or Wifi integration so I can conveniently upload my backups... I also double the weekly backups every month, and I keep the monthly second copy in a safe deposit box. I also rotate USB external drives through that safe deposit box. Ah.. I detect a flaw... you mean you actually do not rotate safe deposit boxes..? Are you serious..? This is only for the really important data, though. Miscellaneous other stuff just resides on two systems and an external drive. (...) Apart from the cost of the medium... I am very suspicious of all the hidden stuff that infects anything Blu-Ray.. And you're probably right.. may turn out to be unsuitable for data archiving. Yup, I'm probably going to stick to using dual layer DVDs and Blu-Ray strictly for movies I've paid for. Be happy! Yeah.. let's try that. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110203002611.GI4093@pavo.local
Re: /etc/X11/Xsession.d
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:59:21PM EST, T o n g wrote: Hi, Anywhere I can read more about /etc/X11/Xsession.d? I want to use it to start an app when X starts, synergyc to be exact, following the steps from http://tacticalcoder.com/blog/2009/05/using-synergy-software-kvm-with-osx- and-linux/ The ubuntu community documentation has instructions on setting up the client to automatically start. They can be found here. In a nutshell you make a script. . . Name this script 12synergy and make it executable. Place this script in the /etc/X11/Xsession.d folder. This causes Synergy to start as root when the computer boots. This just doesn't work for me. No synergyc in ps when X (re)starts. Is there any way that I can troubleshoot this? Maybe look in ~/.xsessions-errors. If that doesn't help, you could run your script manually from an XTerm and see if you get any error messages..? cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110128043531.GB4117@pavo.local
Re: Where are xrandr settings stored?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:13:29AM EST, Camaleón wrote: [..] # xrandr --output VBOX0 --mode 1280x60_60.00 [..] 1/ How can it that xrandr settings are remembered for all the users session? 2/ What is the involved file/tweak command to revert any change and reset its settings? You could try brute force to narrow it down a bit: # touch /tmp/xxx # xrandr ... # find / -type f -newer /tmp/xxx /tmp/filelist # rm /tmp/xxx You may want to run this on a VM with a small file system, and stick the commands in a bash script to limit the number of false positives. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110122200922.GA4169@pavo.local
Re: Where are xrandr settings stored?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 04:21:35PM EST, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:09:22 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: [..] You could try brute force to narrow it down a bit: # touch /tmp/xxx # xrandr ... # find / -type f -newer /tmp/xxx /tmp/filelist # rm /tmp/xxx You may want to run this on a VM with a small file system, and stick the commands in a bash script to limit the number of false positives. That creates a file with 23,339 records on it. Most (all?) of the modified files are under /sys and /proc folder. Hehe.. just making sure you were paying attention :-) I ran the above test and after grepping out the /sys /proc's, I came up with just one file... Xorg.0.log..! So it looks like this setting is remembered somewhere outside the file system. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110123010344.GB4169@pavo.local
Re: how to set imagemagicks tmp folder?
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 04:14:43AM EST, S Mathias wrote: my /tmp is too small [when i want to use convert]. how can i set imagemagick, to use an other tmp folder, what has enough space? thank you! Try (untested): MAGICK_TMPDIR=./mytmpdir convert .. If you need this on a permanent basis, you may want to export MAGICK_TMPDIR in - e.g., your .bashrc See discussion under: /usr/share/doc/imagemagick/www/resources.html cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110121132842.GA5670@pavo.local
Re: Netgear WG111 USB wifi adapter works with squeeze / gnome
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 05:54:10PM EST, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:04:23 -0500 Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 03:23:49PM EST, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:10:07 -0800 Peter Tenenbaum peter.g.tenenb...@gmail.com wrote: I recently had to add wifi to my squeeze / gnome desktop. Based on some reviews I bought a Netgear WG111 USB wifi adapter, and I found that when I plugged it into a USB port on my desktop it worked instantly -- no configuration or package installation necessary. Is there a repository where these sorts of success stories are tracked? A bit late, but FTR: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ A great resource. A bit puzzled about the disclaimer, though: ‘This list doesn't specify anything about how much of your card is supported. So a card that only works without encryption is listed the same as one that also has support for WEP/WPA.’ Not sure I want to donate my bandwidth to any TDH that might sniff my available presence the minute I cruise along in their neighborhood... But the very next line reads: For the specifics about how much of your card is supported, please refer to the driver page listed for your card. IIUC, the driver docs will generally tell you what has been implemented. Ah.. now I see it.. Sorry for the noise. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110120021316.GB4113@pavo.local
Re: Netgear WG111 USB wifi adapter works with squeeze / gnome
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 03:23:49PM EST, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:10:07 -0800 Peter Tenenbaum peter.g.tenenb...@gmail.com wrote: I recently had to add wifi to my squeeze / gnome desktop. Based on some reviews I bought a Netgear WG111 USB wifi adapter, and I found that when I plugged it into a USB port on my desktop it worked instantly -- no configuration or package installation necessary. Is there a repository where these sorts of success stories are tracked? A bit late, but FTR: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ A great resource. A bit puzzled about the disclaimer, though: ‘This list doesn't specify anything about how much of your card is supported. So a card that only works without encryption is listed the same as one that also has support for WEP/WPA.’ Not sure I want to donate my bandwidth to any TDH that might sniff my available presence the minute I cruise along in their neighborhood... cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110119040423.GB11185@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 09:12:35AM EST, Camaleón wrote: [..] Okay, just remember Squeeze uses a different set of driver (nouveau) than lenny (nv), it is possible that you don't need to tewak anything there. Thanks, I'll remember this thread when I'm ready to switch to squeeze. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110117213247.GA11185@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 06:58:54AM EST, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:03:19 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:37:11PM EST, Camaleón wrote: [..] Some comments on the log... *** (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 173.14.09 Thu Jun 5 00:07:40 PDT 2008 (II) Loading extension GLX ** It seems Ten years I've been using X every day and apart from a few silly tricks learned through experience.. I'm just about as ignorant as I was when I started off. loading the GLX module using some part of the nvidia closed drivers... how is that possible? :-? Broken environment..? :-) Now look mine: *** (II) LoadModule: glx (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.4.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3 (==) AIGLX enabled (II) Loading extension GLX *** Here is loading the Xorg stock GLX extension. I _assumed_ I might be able to conjure up some trick or other to switch between the nvidia and nv drivers.. maybe not quite on the fly.. but at least without having to reboot.. as a result, you caught me right in the middle of testing possible solutions and I had not removed the nvidia packages. As Sven rightly observed, what I had failed to notice was that since I had no GLX at all loaded in my Xserver.. OpenGL programs did not work any more.. But as Sven also remarked, this is a separate problem. ... And there is something more in your log it caught my attention: *** (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset Unknown NVIDIA chip found *** And now compare to mine: *** (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset Quadro FX 1500 found *** This log is lenny's.. and my card is unsupported by either ‘nv’ or ‘nvidia’, so that would appear to be consistent. I still don't see why are you so reluctant to test the closed source driver. Just to test, for seeing how it goes and if it solves nothing then at least you can decide the next step with confidence :-) Not at all. I tested it under squeeze where my card is supported and the newer nvidia driver addresses the ‘black console’ issue. On the other hand, I was experiencing extreme slowness in programs such as icesweasel and a completely broken keyboard with stuff like the down arrow key mapped to Mode_Switch (!) .. try to do a dpkg-reconfigure that brings up ncurses screens with a broken down arrow. At that point, I decided that it made better sense to reinstall squeeze at some point in the future and start again from scratch. But since the card is working fine in ubuntu 10.10, I am not really worried about getting this to work now. At this point, I am more concerned as to what completely borked my out-of-the-box squeeze environment. You said your card was unsupported and you maybe right. - Lenny ships nvidia-glx 173.14.09 and your card is not listed: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/appendix-a.html - But Squeeze ships nvidia-glx 195.36.31 and your card appears there: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.31/README/supportedchips.html So you can test the closed driver in squeeze and see how it goes. If all is fine you can then install the latest driver available from nvidia site in lenny (it will require driver compilation). Thanks, but since within a few months I will have switched to squeeze for my activities.. it's probably not worth it. After all, the only thing (apart from DRI) that's not working in lenny, is that I have to use the ‘x11’ video driver in mplayer.. and as a result, I cannot watch the news full-screen. I can live with that. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110116212417.GA4196@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 07:26:08AM EST, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2011-01-15 12:58 +0100, Camaleón wrote: [..] It seems loading the GLX module using some part of the nvidia closed drivers... how is that possible? :-? Because the nvidia-glx package is installed, even though Chris does not use it. This is bad because no program that uses OpenGL will be able to run, but not directly related to the problem. Good catch.. And there is something more in your log it caught my attention: *** (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset Unknown NVIDIA chip found Yeah, the nv driver is too old and does not really know the card. Should not be much of a problem, though. Just the XVideo stuff, where I'm concerned. I still don't see why are you so reluctant to test the closed source driver. Just to test, for seeing how it goes and if it solves nothing then at least you can decide the next step with confidence :-) I wonder why Chris bought a laptop with such a powerful card in the first place if he has no use for it. Intel graphics would have been cheaper and also cause much less headaches. Incompetence..? :-) I needed a new laptop urgently because my 11-year old machine's display was on its way out, and when I saw a high-end machine from a year ago at 25% of the original price at the lenovo outlet.. with specs that should prove suitable for hopefully many years to come, I verified other folks had gotten it to work with GNU/linux. Since the laptop was not built to order, I was not in a position to make any changes to the configuration. I wasn't going to look a gift horse in the mouth. And who knows, contrary to the color calibrator, fingerprint reader, and other options that I have little use for.. I might find some uses to make up for the dollars this card is going to add to my electricity bill. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110116214031.GB4196@pavo.local
Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present..
I'm in the last stages of migrating my (mostly legacy) stuff to a newer laptop and cannot get mplayer to work as well as I had hoped on debian lenny. On my previous system with an old ATI Mach64, I specified the XVideo output driver and was getting pretty decent results. On the new system, with a fairly current nvidia video card, and the default ‘nv’ free driver, only the sound appears to work when I stream TV news channels or play .flv videos. The only workaround that I have found so far is to use the ‘sdl’ driver instead of ‘xv’ but the picture is pretty bad and the sound quality is unacceptable. I searched for solutions or a workaround and did not see as much as an explanation. That's how I learned that there is something in X called ‘XVideo’ and that in such circumstances, I should run the ‘xvinfo’ command to help diagnose the problem. Well, here is the output: $ xvinfo X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 no adaptors present I'm not sure whether it's relevant, but oddly, xdpyinfo informs me that: ... number of extensions:30 BIG-REQUESTS Composite DAMAGE ... XTEST XVideo- ... In any event, I ran that same xvinfo command on the old laptop and got about two screenfuls of output for my trouble, one line accurately naming my video card somewhere near the top, followed by many lines of cryptic output. Is this telling me is that the XVideo extension on the new machine is not enabled? I have among other things a Ubuntu 10.10 system on the same laptop and with the proprietary ‘nvidia’ driver, the xvinfo command produces output similar to what I am getting on my former machine. Hoping that this might be a simple case of debian ’lenny’ being too old for my hardware and that I only needed to be patient and the problem would take care of itself, I proceeded to boot into debian ‘squeeze’, but unfortunately, I got the exact same results as on lenny: no video with ‘xv’, very choppy sound with ‘sdl’, and xvinfo outputs the same three messages as above. I am not really keen on installing the ‘nvidia’ driver on the debian systems, but on the other hand, it would be nice to be able to take a quick look at the news and such without having to reboot.. Is this situation to be expected, or is there any way I could get this to work? All apologies if this is a well-known issue and I did not chance upon the solution. If anyone has run into similar problems, maybe they could give me a push in the right direction? Thanks, cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110114082432.GA4143@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present..
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 09:11:33AM EST, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 03:24:32 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: [..] Is this telling me is that the XVideo extension on the new machine is not enabled? You can check it: stt008:~# cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation I saw these as well. Makes it all even curiouser since the only (EE) messages I saw were relative to the touchpad - disabled in the BIOS so I need to comment it out in xorg.conf - and slightly more to the point (but to be expected) a message where Xorg complains about not being able to initialize the GLX extension. [..] Hum... I get output from two lenny systems running nv and nvidia so the problem must be in other place :-? What does xvinfo tell you on the system where you're running nv..? In other words, should I expect failure with the xvinfo output I am getting, or should I just ignore it? I am not really keen on installing the ‘nvidia’ driver on the debian systems, but on the other hand, it would be nice to be able to take a quick look at the news and such without having to reboot.. The closed source driver for nvidia works quite well under my lenny systems, I have no complaints (easy to install and very stable). I only have it installed on systems where I need additional capabilities that nv driver cannot provide. I innocently thought I wouldn't need any ‘additional capabilities’.. just watching the news once in a while.. no fancy 3D gaming or such like.. And since the ‘nvidia’ driver that comes with lenny does not support my card, I figured installing it was both unnecesssary and asking for trouble. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110114170812.GB4143@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present..
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 09:20:37AM EST, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 14. 01. 2011 09:24:32 je Chris Jones napisal(a): [..] On the new system, with a fairly current nvidia video card, and the default ‘nv’ free driver, only the sound appears to work when I stream TV news channels or play .flv videos. It may be that the nv driver you use is simply slower than the proprietary nvidia driver. At first glance, does not account for the fact that I do see some crappy video with other mplayer -vo's such as ‘sdl’ or ‘x11’. See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Installation-1 for installing the proprietary nvidia driver from the Debian repositories. Hoping that this might be a simple case of debian ’lenny’ being too old for my hardware and that I only needed to be patient and the problem would take care of itself, I proceeded to boot into debian ‘squeeze’, but unfortunately, I got the exact same results as on lenny: no video with ‘xv’, very choppy sound with ‘sdl’, and xvinfo outputs the same three messages as above. Unless you have very specific needs, Squeeze is the way to go on a laptop machine. Since it will happen any time soon, I decided it made more sense to wait till squeeze becomes stable.. A more recent kernel, more hardware is supported, ext4 filesystem, and so on. There is really no reason to stick with Lenny in your case as far as I can see (but the decision is yours, of course). I have an up-to-date squeeze environment ready to roll.. but I'm having the exact same problem with it.. Looks like regardless of the version, ‘nv’ doesn't play well with my video card. I am not really keen on installing the ‘nvidia’ driver on the debian systems, You can say that again. I ran a quick test about a month ago with the proprietary driver, plus patched kernel.. etc. and I what I saw was that hardware rendering worked fine. But the linux console was non functional. Let me login, type startx, etc. but all I could see was a black screen. Impractical for normal utilization.. This problem is fixed with the newer version of the ‘nvidia’ driver that comes with ubuntu 10.10. Ibid. squeeze, presumably. but on the other hand, it would be nice to be able to take a quick look at the news and such without having to reboot.. Is this situation to be expected, or is there any way I could get this to work? I'm afraid it's the former. Freedom never comes cheap (i.e. without sacrifice). I'll give the ‘nouveau’ driver a run for its money when I'm done switching to squeeze. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110114175521.GC4143@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present..
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:06:51AM EST, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2011-01-14 09:24 +0100, Chris Jones wrote: I'm in the last stages of migrating my (mostly legacy) stuff to a newer laptop and cannot get mplayer to work as well as I had hoped on debian lenny. On my previous system with an old ATI Mach64, I specified the XVideo output driver and was getting pretty decent results. On the new system, with a fairly current nvidia video card, and the default ‘nv’ free driver, only the sound appears to work when I stream TV news channels or play .flv videos. The problem is that a) fairly current hardware may generally not work very well with a relatively old system (Lenny's kernel and the nv driver are from mid-2008), and Yes, we are agreed.. b) the nv driver does not support the XVideo extension on GeForce 8 and newer. I don't know if my card (Quad FX 3700M - mobile version) is newer. But on squeeze I do see it listed among many others in the Xorg log suggesting it might be supported. It is not listed in lenny's Xorg logs. Hoping that this might be a simple case of debian ’lenny’ being too old for my hardware and that I only needed to be patient and the problem would take care of itself, I proceeded to boot into debian ‘squeeze’, but unfortunately, I got the exact same results as on lenny: no video with ‘xv’, very choppy sound with ‘sdl’, and xvinfo outputs the same three messages as above. Which video driver do you use? Since I have no gaming needs or such, I was planning on using the ‘nv’ driver on both systems. On Squeeze, nouveau is the default, and it does support XVideo here: , | % xvinfo | X-Video Extension version 2.2 | screen #0 | Adaptor #0: Nouveau GeForce 8/9 Textured Video | [...] ` I tried to activate the nouveau driver which was indeed installed by default, but this eventually caused squeeze to freeze.. couldn't even ssh to the laptop from another machine. In any case, before the freeze, I did manage to run xvinfo.. same as with ‘nv’.. no adaptors present. And what's your graphics card? Use lspci -k to also show its kernel drivers, if any. On lenny, this is all I see that looks like a graphics card: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 061e (rev a2) Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nvidia But lsmod shows that these modules were not loaded. Looks like it's going to be a difficult card and I guess I should focus on getting it to work in squeeze at this point. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110115011539.GA4242@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:37:11PM EST, Camaleón wrote: [..] Maybe it's time for you attach/upload the whole /var/log/Xorg.0.log file :-) Hey.. why not.. http://pastebin.com/38DZcW7D Enjoy¹..! cj ¹ this is the log on ‘lenny’ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110115020319.GB4242@pavo.local
Re: X Keyboard layout trouble
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 05:15:28PM EST, Robert Latest wrote:
[..]
What now? I'm stumped.
Works here out of the box on Debian stable.
Since I do not run dwm, I did the following:
$ /bin/su -
# apt-get install dwm
# adduser dwm # password .. enter .. enter
# cd /home/dwm
# echo 'exec dwm' .xinitrc
# chown dwm.dwm .xinitrc
# exit
CTRL+ALT+F2 # switch to console
login as dwm
$ startx
ALT+SHIFT+Enter # start an xterm
$ setxkbmap de# with dead keys
$ setxkbmap de -variant nodeadkeys# w/o dead keys
AltGr+7 - {
AltGr+8 - [ # etc..
Since I installed stable only a couple of weeks ago, I think that rather
than dwm, it's something in your setup that's causing the problem.
You could try the above and see what happens with a virgin test user.
Here's the keyboard stanza in my xorg.conf:
Section InputDevice
Identifier Generic Keyboard
Driver kbd
Option XkbRules xorg
Option XkbModel pc104
Option XkbLayout us
Option XkbOptionsctrl:swapcaps
EndSection
Basically similar to yours..
My (wild) guess is that your AltGr/AltGr key is mapped to Mod1 instead
of Mod3 but I could be wrong about that.
What does xmodmap (with no flags) output? Does it have both Alt_L and
Alt_R mapped to Mod1?
Just to eliminate any keyboard peculiarities, did you try to plug in
an external keyboard?
cj
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Re: squeeze us-intl w/ dead keys on i386/pc/qwerty keyboard
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 06:39:53AM EST, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2011, Doug wrote: There's a better way. It uses a subset of Unicode and the compose key. On a normal PC keyboard, you have to make a compose key out You must be joking. That will work well only if you're writing english text, which will require the use of the compose key rarely. Perfect dead key support is a *must* for many languages. It is a reverse killer feature: if it is not there, it kills the product ;-) Matter of preference, I would say.. The nationals of some European countries are at home with dead keys because that's the way their keyboards are laid out, Portugal is a good example. And then there are those countries that favor precomposed glyphs and an additional modifier, such as Germany. Probably one of the strengths of English as an international language is that you can type it without any remapping on just about any keyboard that's based on the latin alphabet. Apart from the tiny minority who happen to be literate in two or more languages outside English, the problem is mostly for those who need to type another language on a standard U.S. keyboard. And the fact that U.S. keyboards have one key less (the one at the bottom left of the keyboard, next to Left-Shift) than European keyboards does not make things any easier. Personally, even though I am pretty sure that with adequate practice, dead keys would eventually prove more efficient than using AltGr, I find the mechanism confusing because with most text-entry systems.. you don't see anything.. hm.. did I hit that dead key or did I miss it..? What do I do now.. because if I hit it again, it's going to beep at me.. all rather stressful.. :-) And continually having to hit the spacebar after single quotes is really a pain. As to the X Compose key, (and alter egos like Vim and GNU/screen's digraphs), it gives you the worst possible experience: confusing like dead keys, and impractical since one extra keystroke is required for each combined letter. Their only good point is that the key combinations being mnemonic in nature, you don't have to memorize key locations. Maybe the better solution for those who program and type in English most of the time, and only occasionally need to switch to another language is dead keys accessible via Mod3? Otherwise, if they really are serious about typing in half a dozen languages, or for those who constantly need to switch between Sanskrit and ancient Greek, the way to go is probably to acquire a 105-key unlabeled European keyboard and toggle layouts on the fly. But even for such tiny minorities, acquiring typing skills on different layouts requires considerable time and effort. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110105201031.ga4...@pavo.local
Re: sleeping the system vs hibernate or suspend
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 01:08:27PM EST, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: [..] When I issue 'acpitool -s' from konsole on X, the system does not shut down right and does not resume but boots with the 4 disks messed up. But sad to say it only works about 50% of the time. Either suspend is not right or the resume fails. Worse than early missile firings. :-( Hm.. I didn't follow the thread, but I'd rather have my 4 disks messed up 50% of the time than 100% of the time :-) cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110105201527.gb4...@pavo.local
Re: care and feeding (no longer resembles: Can Debian Backup ntfs File System?)
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 11:01:03AM EST, Miles Fidelman wrote: Lisi wrote: On Wednesday 05 January 2011 15:15:43 Camaleón wrote: [..] They know that the computer needs electricity and that the car needs petrol. I doubt that most people know more than that. Well, I would hope they also know that their car needs (at least in the US): - scheduled maintenance - an annual inspection - a registration sticker - insurance As well as: - at some point, they took a driving test, and some of the rules-of-the-road stuck - they need to renew their license - drive somewhere in the vicinity of the speed limit - stop for red lights and stop signs - don't drive under the influence - don't sit in a closed garage with the motor running - how to change a tire (or at least, how to call AAA) Muted chuckles.. what part of the U.S. are you referring to..? The analogy to cars is a good one. It seems reasonable to expect a computer user to acquire a set of skills akin to what one needs to drive and maintain a car. It's probably not reasonable to require a computer user to acquire skills akin to obtaining a pilot's license. As long as they don't get it into their heads to invest in a 5-ton previously owned mainframe and attempt to drive it around the block, nobody's going to care. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110105203144.gc4...@pavo.local
Re: squeeze us-intl w/ dead keys on i386/pc/qwerty keyboard
On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 10:57:22AM EST, David A. Bandel wrote: Folks, I've googled this with no helpful results (several unhelpful results regarding dpkg-reconfigure console-data though). I want to get back to the old behavior I had where my i386/pc/qwerty keyboards had dead keys for international characters (like ~n, but with the ~ over the n). [..] $ setxkbmap us -variant intl # switch to dead keys intl layout $ setxkbmap us# back to basic US layout cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110104182516.ga4...@pavo.local
Re: What happened to consolechars?
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 06:01:58AM EST, Roger Leigh wrote: On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 01:13:39AM +, Phil Requirements wrote: On 2011-01-02 14:23:55 -0500, Thomas H. George wrote: Some characters are not displayed correctly on my monitor. The command consolechars -d used to correct this problem but now it is unknown. Now the command is gone and apt-cache search consolechars returns nothing. I don't know about consolechars. That's probably because Debian switched back from console-tools to kbd. console-tools was unmaintained and kbd supported more stuff. You want to use setfont, or just edit /etc/default/console-setup and restart console-setup. Note that setfont /is/ consolechars, but supports larger fonts. I'm using a 16×32 font with the following settings: CHARMAP=UTF-8 CODESET=Uni2 FONTFACE=TerminusBold FONTSIZE=32x16 i.e. /etc/default/console-setup is where setfont gets the font information from; you don't need to run it by hand yourself. This is actually a nice improvement over the previous methods. Also, take a look at ‘unicode_start’. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110103134821.gb4...@pavo.local
Re: What happened to consolechars?
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:42:19PM EST, Roger Leigh wrote: On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 08:48:21AM -0500, Chris Jones wrote: [..] Also, take a look at ‘unicode_start’. Note that if the locale set in /etc/default/locale (or /etc/environment on older systems) has a UTF-8 charmap (as reported by locale charmap), then the console will be put into unicode mode by default automatically by the init scripts, which run unicode_start for you. God's in his heaven, and all's well with the world. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2011010321.ga4...@pavo.local
Re: sleeping the system vs hibernate or suspend
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 02:18:40PM EST, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: Hi, Someone posted (to this list) a simple command line for sleeping the system. [..] $ xset dpms force suspend # ..? cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110103054957.ga4...@pavo.local
Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 08:33:28PM EST, John Jason Jordan wrote: [..] It will be a long time before I install an nVidia proprietary driver again. When I installed ‘lenny’ on this new laptop, the ‘nv’ driver was the default. At some point I figured I'd watch some TV news, and I noticed that the successive frames were not rendered smoothly and that the audio was unpleasantly lagging. I noticed the same with diverse podcasts and yotube flsame flash videos. I proceeded to install the version of the proprietary nvidia driver that comes with ‘lenny’ and everything I threw at it was just about as smooth as on my TV. Am I mistaken in assuming that you now need hardware acceleration for a pleasant video experience? I have not tried the ‘nouveau’ driver and have not had the time to research it and verify how well my card is supported. I could be wrong but my impression is that due to Nvidia's policies, support for recent video cards is usually either non-existent or incomplete (?) So, depending on your hardware and what you plan to do with it, I'm not sure you can stay away from proprietary drivers at this point. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110101203752.ga25...@pavo.local
Re: Monitor question
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:58:42AM EST, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Johan Kullstam put forth on 12/29/2010 11:25 PM: Good for you. My gripe is that one can no longer choose. It's shortscreen or nothing. I had an old thinkpad t42 with a 14 1440x1050 and it rocked. It weighed only 4.5 lbs even with cd drive. For me, it was an optimal size and weight. The current offerings are all inferior - they are heavier, have less vertical screen dimension and worse resolution. You're a member of a super-minority Johan. Nobody would deny that IT professionals are a tiny minority. Even if you add the comparatively much larger numbers of non-IT professionals, you are looking at a small share of the market, and not the most profitable thereof. The masses have much lower expectations/exigencies, resulting in higher margins. In a somewhat different walk of life, even Blackberry have gotten wise to these aspects and are now focusing on producing for the masses. The majority of the marketplace wants wide screen, which is why you're finding little or nothing else but widescreen. Even the little toy netbook computers all have widescreen LCDs. And using them for anything but entertainment (movies, video TV streaming, gaming..) is a nightmare. I was configuring one lately, 1024x600 screen resolution, out-of-the-box ubuntu/gnome desktop and even with a very small font, and I frequently had to use Alt+left mouse to drag the popup dialogs upwards: the ‘OK’, ‘cancel’ buttons were off-screen. Fortunately, I don't use GUI's much on my own machines, so I'm quite flexible, but right now it looks like 10+ years of tweaking the ergonomy of the desktop has gone down the tube in a matter of a few months. The only way out of this dilemma would appear to start off with the highest available resolution you can lay your hands on - ie. HDTV's 1080p, and try to recreate a sane 4:3 screen or thereabout and use only part of the display¹. As long as you are able to get such a portable system that features such high resolution, that is. I recently looked at the Thinkpad offering, and Lenovo's specs and customization pages have become extremely vague about the actual pixel dimensions of the displays available for their different models. From what I have seen, it looks like all Thinkpads except the 15 lbs. 17 W701ds come with 1600x900 as the highest resolution. And more often than not that is only an option. Now that's precisely 30% shorter than the hi-res screens of the past decade - ie. 1600x1200 or the wide-screen 1920x1200, and still 15% less height than the 1400x1050 that was commonly featured on 15 laptops before the advent of wide screens. Among other things, what this means is that you will have to use smaller fonts to make an entire page of a pdf document fit on one screen. To the point where you have to lean forward to read comfortably. And this is even more of a problem when the document you are viewing features the standard A4 paper size rather than U.S. letter because pages are an extra 8.5% taller. That's very telling about the market. As in.. whatever the suckers' preferences, one size fits all makes good economic sense from the vendor/manufacturer's perspective? cj ¹ Ubuntu's new ‘Unity’ desktop appears to be a move in that direction. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101230220319.ga4...@pavo.local
Re: USB soundbar as default audio device
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 03:48:52AM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 23:15, Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: Ubuntu is now heavily invested in Pulse Audio so what you learn in Debian won't necessarily apply there. You might want to convince your friend to use Debian instead. Hm. I may end up doing that.. What's the deal with Pulse Audio.. It's available in debian stable.. any reason I should not use myself as well it if it ‘just works’..? Pulse Audio is very mature and usable in Ubuntu 10.10, I recommend using it if it works for you. But it tool some hard years to get to that state, therefore PA has a very bad reputation. I recommend that you just continue using Ubuntu 10.10 if that works for the express purpose that that machine was intended for. If you outgrow Ubuntu, you'll know! Thanks. Will wait till squeeze becomes stable and give it another shot. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101229182638.ga11...@pavo.local
Re: USB soundbar as default audio device
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 03:35:01PM EST, Russell L. Harris wrote:
Chris Jones wrote:
Maybe I should send it back use the compatiblity lists to try
and get something that's supported out of the box.
Consider a Lexicon Alpha (US$60) or Lexicon Omega (US$180). See
broadcast suppliers such as www.bswusa.com or www.fullcompass.com.
Typically the only configuration needed is a simple .asoundrc file
such as the following:
pcm.!default {
type hw
card Omega
}
ctl.!default {
type hw
card Omega
}
Sounds like I should have asked questions before the fact :-)
cj
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Re: USB soundbar as default audio device
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 03:26:12PM EST, deloptes wrote: Chris Jones wrote: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Device [HOLTEK AudioHub Speaker] on usb-:00:07.2-1.4.4 usb 1-1.4.4: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=0a0e usb 1-1.4.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 usb 1-1.4.4: Product: AudioHub Speaker usb 1-1.4.4: Manufacturer: HOLTEK Not much that looks like a reference to a chip, at least to my uneducated eyes. As you notice the device doubles as a USB hub. I couldn't find information about the chip or even if the card is supported http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids According to the above, HOLTEK aren't even supposed to make USB audio stuff.. :-) Maybe I should send it back use the compatiblity lists to try and get something that's supported out of the box. I would suggest to ask or to look into the development branches of the linux kernel or ask the kernel usb audio developers. It might be that they need to add just the id to the code to get support for it.If you have some C programming skills you even can try hacking it yourself. Another option and I think here the problem is that alsa is not working for this device - thus the system recognizes it but can not associate it with a driver (snd-usb-audio). especially this link sound like your problem http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg1472852.html As it happens it works in ubuntu 10.10 out of the box. I only need to go to the sounds preferences and switch cards and sound is routed to the soundbar. Both the media controls (volume, mute) on the laptop's keyboard and the volume knob work. I'll see if I can get it to work in squeeze by comparing the configurations. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101228184627.gb4...@pavo.local
Re: Monitor question
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 08:46:38PM EST, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Chris Jones put forth on 12/27/2010 7:00 PM: On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:57:31AM EST, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:30:57 -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote: [..] When it comes to LCD/TFT, you have to pay attention to native resolution. I agree. And the highest you can get. Not necessarily. This is highly dependent on the users(s) of the monitor. I built my folks a new PC last year (Athlon II X2 Rigor 2.8 w/ ATI north bridge video) and got them a 24 Asus widescreen LCD to go with it. Dad is 73 Mom is 68. Dad wears trifocals and Mom bifocals. No matter what font size (WinXP) [..] My remark was to be taken in the context of environments that are configurable to the users' rather than the vendor's preferences. ;-) cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101228210701.gc4...@pavo.local
Re: USB soundbar as default audio device
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 01:46:13PM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote: Ubuntu is now heavily invested in Pulse Audio so what you learn in Debian won't necessarily apply there. You might want to convince your friend to use Debian instead. Hm. I may end up doing that.. What's the deal with Pulse Audio.. It's available in debian stable.. any reason I should not use myself as well it if it ‘just works’..? cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101228211532.gd4...@pavo.local
Re: Monitor question
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:57:31AM EST, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:30:57 -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote: [..] When it comes to LCD/TFT, you have to pay attention to native resolution. I agree. And the highest you can get. Look, 17 displays tend to use the same resolution (dots per inch) than 19 ones (1280x1024) so people tend to think they gain when buying a 17 screen because they get the same viewable area but they pay less (17 monitors are cheaper). Being near-sighted, a 17 monitor suits me best: with larger monitors, I am so close to the display that I constantly have to move my head to the right, to the left, to the right.. and end up with a crick in the neck. :-) But I prefer to stick to 19 LCD screens (and avoid as much as I can those wide/narrow screens, 16:9 or 16:10) because text and icons are larger than in 17 displays and I get a good resolution (1280x1024 is better than a wide screen (1280x800). Have you had too much champagne over the holiday? :-) Last time I looked, all _affordable_ monitors I could find were 16:9 aka. Hollywood's preferred 1080p. And as far as recent laptop models are concerned, they are all 16:9. From what I understand, the manufacturers have stopped making proper _computer_ displays. The 4:3 aspect ratio displays that I like.. or the possibly even better 5:4 that you recommend are pretty much a thing of the past. If I had the money, I might purchase a couple of QSXGA 2560x2048 screens right now.. while they last. But apart from the fact that I am unsure they would play well with X/linux and run-of-the-mill hardware, the price of such fiends is rather a deterrent. [..] OTOH, you can always adjust your DPI to a higher value (i.e., 120dpi) so while you keep your current/recommended resolution, all, icons and text will display bigger and your eyes will suffer less :-) Yes, that's usually the sensible approach when you want to stick with the native resolution of your physical screen (as you should) and globally adjust the size of your fonts, icons, etc. to whatever suits your particular preferences or your eyesight's idiosyncrasies. I have noticed that out of the box, and before you fool him by running X with a lower dpi (such as 96), gnome presents you with large fonts and icons that make your high-res display look as if it were a 1024x768 or less. Rather than change font sizes in all kind of never obvious places, reduce the height or the panels, etc. it is considerably easier and more reliable to change the dpi and restart X. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101228010017.ga4...@pavo.local
[OT] Re: lenny squeeze etc etc
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:30:33AM EST, John Hasler wrote: [..] I have not seen a movie in more than twenty years and probably never will see one again. I find the entire entertainment industry and everyone associated with it faintly disgusting, and, in any case, like popular music, movies are 99% boring crap. The ocassional gem (usually a rhinestone) is not worth sorting through the rest. Not sure about ‘gems’.. but if you have not seen it already, you might have fun watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ahqtLA3ZYfeature=related Quite relevant. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101226193652.gh4...@turki.gavron.org
Re: No devices found in X
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 08:59:17AM EST, Celejar wrote: [..] If we can establish that this was the problem (that it must be built-in, and not built as a module), is this a bug? I suppose that I should at least update the Wiki to warn about this. Not sure if it's relevant, but this vaguely reminds me of having had to add my old ATI mach64's module 'atyfb' to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules to run the FB console in 1400x1050 mode without having to compile custom kernels. Timing issue, I guess. I see that I still have it configured this way in my lenny setup. I've never had a machine with an intel chip and frambuffer console issues, so I wouldn't know if this makes any sense in your case, of course. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101222140334.gm3...@turki.gavron.org
Re: No devices found in X
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 03:30:38PM EST, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:03:34 -0500 Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 08:59:17AM EST, Celejar wrote: [..] Not sure if it's relevant, but this vaguely reminds me of having had to add my old ATI mach64's module 'atyfb' to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules to run the FB console in 1400x1050 mode without having to compile custom kernels. Timing issue, I guess. I see that I still have it configured this way in my lenny setup. [..] Interesting, thanks. I'm going to file a bug with upstream, and I'll report back here when I've done so. If you still have your old kernel w/o the module built-in, and if there is framebuffer console module for your chip that is comparable to atyfb for the mach64 rage/pro, you could also see if (re)gen'ing your initrd makes any difference. I haven't looked at that stuff in years, but I vaguely remember that it was as simple as running update-initramfs in the initramfs-tools package. But don't take my word for it, unless you are familiar with the proedure, you do need to research it a bit. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101223002921.gn3...@turki.gavron.org
Re: dist upgrade nightmare!
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:32:42AM EST, Jude DaShiell wrote: I tried taking a friend's machine from lenny to squeeze and it turned into a disaster. As a consequence of the attempt his entire package update and repair systems are broken. apt-get -f install can't fix anything and dpkg --configure -a can't fix anything anymore and as a consequence of those two acts, it's impossible to update his system. I can't even downgrade back to lenny! What I would like to know is if emergency procedures exist that can clear the mess out that these operations created and get the system back to some known state. I wouldn't mind this so much if the upgrade had simply failed but a system breaking like this where even though useable with the squeeze kernel on it is there nothing can be installed or uninstalled with apt-get and aptitude apparently got turned into a zombi placed in not fully installed or uninstalled or deferred status. If I had done this to my own computer that would be one thing, but this is a computer of a friend and I don't appreciate these tools for having ended up leaving this kind of damage. Hey Jude, Sorry to hear about that. Whether upgrading your own system or your friend's, the correct upgrade procedure is as follows: 1. Clone your existing system to a new partition¹ 2. Update your booloader so you have access the clone 2. Read the release notes, etc. 3. From the clone, run the update, upgrade, dist-upgrade procedure 4. Test the resulting system for a couple of days. 5. Delete the old system if you need to reclaim the disk space In any case, there is _always_ a quick painless way to ‘downgrade back to lenny’.. such as restoring from the full backup you made prior to running the dist-upgrade. As others have said, booting off a rescue disc and backing up anything worth saving is still an option. Reinstalling and restoring the user data shouldn't be difficult. Cheers, cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101215213253.gb3...@turki.gavron.org
Re: User stylesheets with mozilla browsers
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 06:35:35AM EST, Joel Roth wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:56:08AM -0500, Chris Jones wrote: Is there any way I could use a custom stylesheet to make my web browser rearrange text in two or more columns so I don't get my eyes crossed when I'm reading? Come to think of it, a web browser with vertical vim-style vertical splits, where you could display the contents of 2-3 tabs side by side would be nice. [..] This site doesn't give you two columns, but does offer a variety of other choices to make websites more legible. Gets installed as a javascript program in a bookmark that you click on to reformat a site. http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/ For H's sake.. I don't even use a bookmark toolbar :-) Not having a clue as to what this thing is/does.. where the source is... who the blessed author is and how long he plans on staying alive and hopefully maintaining his creation... such as keeping abreast of browser upgrades in an timely fashion, for instance.. I'll pass on this one :-) All that stuff kinda reminds me.. of Microsoft Windows practices.. you drool, you click, and yet another piece of potential scumware graciously installs itself and infects your computer. Add-ons, indeed... Nothing personal, I assure you: To be honest, I did activate the bookmarks ‘bar’ in seamonkey and checked what this add-on does before (hopefully..?) removing it. If nothing else, playing with it gave me perspective in an area of computing I am totally unfamiliar with. Thanks a bunch for the suggestion. FYI, y'all.. css3's ‘column-width’ and ‘column-count’ may need a bit of tweaking my end yet, but that's what I was looking for. HTH :-) cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101212053950.ga3...@turki.gavron.org
Re: USB soundbar as default audio device
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 03:29:19AM EST, deloptes wrote: Chris Jones wrote: [..] I wanted to know if it is a webcam or something else Well, no.. they're sort of a longish thing with 2 or more speakers that you connect to audio sources with weak output, such as subnotebooks or netbooks, etc. [..] $ tail /var/log/messages usb 1-1.4: USB disconnect, address 13 usb 1-1.4.4: USB disconnect, address 14 usb 1-1.4: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 15 usb 1-1.4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice hub 1-1.4:1.0: USB hub found hub 1-1.4:1.0: 4 ports detected usb 1-1.4: New USB device found, idVendor=05e3, idProduct=0607 usb 1-1.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=1, SerialNumber=0 usb 1-1.4: Product: USB2.0 Hub usb 1-1.4.4: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 16 usb 1-1.4.4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice input: HOLTEK AudioHub Speaker as /class/input/input11 input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Device [HOLTEK AudioHub Speaker] on usb-:00:07.2-1.4.4 usb 1-1.4.4: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=0a0e usb 1-1.4.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 usb 1-1.4.4: Product: AudioHub Speaker usb 1-1.4.4: Manufacturer: HOLTEK Not much that looks like a reference to a chip, at least to my uneducated eyes. As you notice the device doubles as a USB hub. I couldn't find information about the chip or even if the card is supported http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids According to the above, HOLTEK aren't even supposed to make USB audio stuff.. :-) Maybe I should send it back use the compatiblity lists to try and get something that's supported out of the box. What would a chip identifier look like? it doesn't matter when it is usb - the point was the information above about the ids Or maybe I could try plugging it into a Windows system and see what kind of drivers get installed? That might tell me more about what it really is and make it easier to search for solutions? Thanks, cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101210132331.gb13...@turki.gavron.org
User stylesheets with mozilla browsers
Is there any way I could use a custom stylesheet to make my web browser rearrange text in two or more columns so I don't get my eyes crossed when I'm reading? Come to think of it, a web browser with vertical vim-style vertical splits, where you could display the contents of 2-3 tabs side by side would be nice. Thanks, cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101210155608.ge13...@turki.gavron.org
Re: User stylesheets with mozilla browsers
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:27:55PM EST, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:56:08 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: Is there any way I could use a custom stylesheet to make my web browser rearrange text in two or more columns so I don't get my eyes crossed when I'm reading? Come to think of it, a web browser with vertical vim-style vertical splits, where you could display the contents of 2-3 tabs side by side would be nice. You can avoid loading CSS at all (view/page layout/none). How is that going to make the lines shorter? Sorry if I was unclear but what I mean is that I am reading plain text and with the small fonts I favor, the lines are so long on the new 1080p screens that I often have problems keeping my eye level with them. So I was thinking of reformatting these pages along the lines of what you commonly see in newspapers. Take for instance: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. versus: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet,consequat. Duis aute irure dolor consectetur adipisicing elit, sedin reprehenderit in voluptate do eiusmod tempor incididunt utvelit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat labore et dolore magna aliqua. Utnulla pariatur. Excepteur sint enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrudoccaecat cupidatat non proident, exercitation ullamco laboris nisisunt in culpa qui officia deserunt utaliquip ex eacommodomollit anim id est laborum. Not very useful here, since the lines in my MUA are limited to 72 columns and obviously the justification does not play well with a fixed width font, but hopefully the above example will clarify. But maybe you are more interested in something like this add-on: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2108/ I installed the ‘Stylish’ addon, and hunted down a couple of ‘user styles’ that looked like they might do what I want.. It turned out they did not do anything that I could see. I know next to nothing about web browser technology, so it may very well be that I what I had in mind is not possible. :-( Thanks, cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101210210152.gg13...@turki.gavron.org
Re: User stylesheets with mozilla browsers
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:22:16PM EST, Camaleón wrote: [..] You can use some custimozations (bigger text, no background images nor underline links) but changing the whole site default layout for each site on-the-fly is not something that can be 100% automated ;-( This web page is only a couple year old and looks promising: http://welcome.totheinter.net/2008/07/22/multi-column-layout-with-css-and-jquery/ It does state that, in 2008 at least, there was no ‘native CSS support for multi-column newspaper-style layouts’. Not sure if this still hold true. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101211002139.gl13...@turki.gavron.org
Re: Directory and file permissions
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 07:17:41AM EST, Lisi wrote: My google foo seems to have deserted me completely. Could someone take pity? :-( Is it possible for a directory to have lower permissions than the files it contains? And could those who have permissions for the files, but not the directory, gain access to the files? My instinct says no. But it would not be for the first time if my instinct is wrong. Thanks for any help anyone feels able to give, There's the case where you only set the ‘x’ flag for group other: $ mkdir /tmp/t $ chmod go-rw /tmp/t $ ls -alchd /tmp/t drwx--x--x 2 me me 4.0K 2010-12-08 08:33 /tmp/t $ echo ‘xxx’ /tmp/t/t.txt $ ls -alch /tmp/t -rw-r--r-- 1 me me 4 2010-12-08 08:45:47.0 -0500 x.txt $ chmod ugo+rwx /tmp/t/t.txt $ ls -alch /tmp/t -rwxrwxrwx 1 me me 4 2010-12-08 08:45:47.0 -0500 x.txt Now user ‘her’ can cd to /tmp/t/ but cannot ‘ls’ its contents. Even bash tab completion will refuse to yield any of the directory's secrets. So if ‘her’ knows that there is a file named ‘x.txt’ in there, she can list or modify its contents, execute it if something executable lives in there. What ‘her’ cannot do is anything that would require read or write permissions to the /tmp/t directory, such as list (ls) or change (rm, mv..) its contents. With the above scenario, the directory has lower permissions than the files it contains and ‘those who have permissions’ - everybody in this instance - to the files can ‘gain access’ to the files (rw access). Barring any typos and stuff, the above should be correct, but if you google for ‘linux file permissions’ you shall come up with clearer and likely more reliable explanations. What I do not know is why this was thus designed, except perhaps to confuse the likes of me.. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101208140457.gi3...@turki.gavron.org
USB soundbar as default audio device
I am trying to set up a USB sound bar on someone else's laptop running ubuntu 10.10 with a gnome desktop. Since it did not work out of the box, I thought I'd first enhance my non-existent skills in this area by first practicising on my machine with debian ‘lenny’ and no DE environment. I discovered rather quickly that what goes on behind the scenes is that said sound bar is (emulates?) an additional sound card. As a result, I have to direct each program that produces some form or other of sound output to use the second audio device rather than the default builtin sound card. I am able to get ‘mplayer’ to do this but I have no idea how I could convince the flash plugin behind my web browser to do this, for instance. Is there any way I can make the sound bar the system's default and be done with it? While testing, I tried redirection when launching programs from the bash prompt -- i.e. adding ‘/dev/dsp /dev/dsp1’ -- with unsatisfactory results: below par sound quality, loud cracks, the speakers go silent for brief periods of time, etc. I do not have access to the other laptop right now, but I would assume gnome has some sort of GUI that lets you specify your default device ‘system-wide’? Another thing I noticed is that the volume button on the sound bar does not work: I have to start alsamixer to control the volume, which is not optimal. Does this mean that I am using a default generic audio USB driver for this device and that I should look for something a bit more specific that might support additional hardware features? While I am at it I thought I might as well learn how these things work and stop guessing :-) Is there a reliable up-to-date document that you would recommend reading? Thanks, cj P.S. I refrained from posting the 3 pages output by ‘lsusb -vs’. Not sure if that would help at this point. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101206164243.gd3...@turki.gavron.org
Re: USB soundbar as default audio device
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 12:15:33PM EST, deloptes wrote: Chris Jones wrote: I am trying to set up a USB sound bar on someone else's laptop running ubuntu 10.10 with a gnome desktop. what is this sound bar? something to eat :-)? No, a place where they charge the patrons for listening :-) [..] Is there any way I can make the sound bar the system's default and be done with it? you can read ALSA docs - they are weired but very good. I usually do few steps to setup a card. You have two options - to setup system wide or user specific That's what I was looking for. While testing, I tried redirection when launching programs from the bash prompt -- i.e. adding ‘/dev/dsp /dev/dsp1’ -- with unsatisfactory results: below par sound quality, loud cracks, the speakers go silent for brief periods of time, etc. dsp is OSS (not ALSA) and it works only with additional modules (loaded and configured) OK. I do not have access to the other laptop right now, but I would assume gnome has some sort of GUI that lets you specify your default device ‘system-wide’? check if there is pulse audio installed and running - this might be what you are looking for (there is something pactrl or alike or gui for this - I'm not using it but it's the future, so possibly you can use it) Will do. Another thing I noticed is that the volume button on the sound bar does not work: I have to start alsamixer to control the volume, which is not optimal. Does this mean that I am using a default generic audio USB driver for this device and that I should look for something a bit more specific that might support additional hardware features? I would say this was the configuration for the default card (built in) .. and volume and other controls on a builtin sound card would be rather inconvenient? :-) While I am at it I thought I might as well learn how these things work and stop guessing :-) then start reading at http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Documentation Looks more than promising, thanks! [..] P.S. I refrained from posting the 3 pages output by ‘lsusb -vs’. Not sure if that would help at this point. thanks, but it would help though to mention what kind of chip your usb card has (or vendor + model) Not sure about the model - the vendor is actually Logitech. $ tail /var/log/messages usb 1-1.4: USB disconnect, address 13 usb 1-1.4.4: USB disconnect, address 14 usb 1-1.4: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 15 usb 1-1.4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice hub 1-1.4:1.0: USB hub found hub 1-1.4:1.0: 4 ports detected usb 1-1.4: New USB device found, idVendor=05e3, idProduct=0607 usb 1-1.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=1, SerialNumber=0 usb 1-1.4: Product: USB2.0 Hub usb 1-1.4.4: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 16 usb 1-1.4.4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice input: HOLTEK AudioHub Speaker as /class/input/input11 input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Device [HOLTEK AudioHub Speaker] on usb-:00:07.2-1.4.4 usb 1-1.4.4: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=0a0e usb 1-1.4.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 usb 1-1.4.4: Product: AudioHub Speaker usb 1-1.4.4: Manufacturer: HOLTEK Not much that looks like a reference to a chip, at least to my uneducated eyes. As you notice the device doubles as a USB hub. What would a chip identifier look like? I usually setup my notebook following way *) Add the user to the audio(+video) group Did that. *) create a file /etc/modprobe.d/sound with following ## ALSA portion alias char-major-116 snd alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio ## module options should go here #options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=dell-m6,ref,auto #options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=ref enable_msi=1 options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=ref #options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=hp-dv5 enable_msi=1 position_fix=1 options snd-usb-audio index=1 I currently have this: $ cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound alias snd-card-0 snd-es1968 options snd-es1968 index=0 Let me check what this does before I make any changes. This way I have always the built in card configured as 0 which means first and the usb as second Ah.. nice. The options you'll find in the kernel version /Documentation *) For user specific configuration and experimenting with alsa you can use $HOME/.asoundrc excellent! [..] On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 12:17:02PM EST, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: [..] the default sound is index=0 Thanks to both! cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101206181840.ge3...@turki.gavron.org
Re: apt-get apting uc?
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 03:50:08AM EST, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Ma, 23 nov 10, 23:52:50, Chris Jones wrote: After syncing via an apt-get update and running an apt-get upgrade, I am seeing some unfamiliar messages¹ when I try to install new packages: Do you mean these? Yes, forgot to add an explanatory footnote. Retrieving bug reports... Done Parsing Found/Fixed information... Done → serious bugs of fusesmb (- 0.8.7-1) done #536907 - fusesmb: FTBFS: configure: error: Please install nmblookup. (Fixed: fusesmb/0.8.7-1.1) → grave bugs of fuse-utils (- 2.7.4-1.1+lenny1) pending #602333 - /usr/bin/fusermount: fusermount allows unmount any filesystem → Summary: fuse-utils(1 bug), fusesmb(1 bug) → Are you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n/?/...] [...] Does the above mean that something in the debian respositories has changed during the eight months when I was unable to use debian and that I needed to follow suit and make changes to /etc/apt/sources.list? Since I hit enter and accepted the default ‘Y’ when asked to confirm whether I wanted to install the packages, have I hosed apt on my system? Or is it just a case of my apt-get upgrade having upgraded apt and the newer version being more verbose? Seems like you installed apt-listbugs ;) Good catch! /var/log/apt/term.log.* tells me that it was installed on 01/18/2010 and ‘history | grep listbugs’ indeed logged the corresponding ‘apt-get install’ command. I cannot remember what I was thinking and the other packages that I installed at that time do not really provide any clues. I did an ‘apt-get -s remove apt-listbugs’ and as expected it did not try to remove anything else -- i.e. so it wasn't pulled in when I installed another package. I'll leave it at that and read the listbugs manual now. See how I can put this mysterious gift from the debian heavens to good use. Thanks, cj ¹ as indicated by the ‘→’ right-arrows. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101124175524.gf2...@turki.gavron.org
Re: [OOT] Free Software - was Re: Toner refill
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 01:25:20PM EST, Bob Proulx wrote: Chris Jones wrote: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms to use, study, and modify the software. How would one ‘use, study, and modify the software’ if one could not afford it in the first place? The cost is not a monetary cost. [..] On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:33:08PM EST, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In 20101117172626.gb30...@turki.gavron.org, Chris Jones wrote: On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:25:00PM EDT, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: [..] Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms to use, study, and modify the software. How would one ‘use, study, and modify the software’ if one could not afford it in the first place? Those are the rights guaranteed by Free Software to entities receiving the software. They do not make a requirement that everyone is able to receive the software. [..] Thanks for reminding me that the discussion was in reference to the GPL concept of ‘Free Software¹’ as stated in its preamble, rather than the generally accepted meaning of ‘free software’ in everyday English. All the same, from a general perspective, I still pretty much stand by what I wrote, namely that the relative success of GNU/Linux and other non-proprietory software and the incredible diversity of options we now have to populate our machines is first and foremost due to the fact that said software is available for download at no monetary cost to the user/developer.. even if at least where GNU software is concerned, this aspect is only a side-effect. I mean, what good does it do to a would-be ‘Free Software’ developer to eventually ‘get credit for his work’ if he cannot afford the luxury of a C compiler to start off with? Incidentally, I became a user of free software after I bought a laptop on a whim, when after a couple weeks, I got bored with the copy of Win98 that came with it. I resented the fact that I did not have the freedom to customize it to my liking save for trivial stuff like changing the size of my fonts or the colors of my GUI. So I drove to the store and paid $179.00 for a boxed copy of RedHat 6.2. Only later did I find out about ‘gratis’. Later yet about ‘libre’.. I, for one should know the difference. cj ¹ Where it becomes even more confusing for humble users like myself is that ‘Free Software’ apparently means different things depending on who you listen to: http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101124041736.gc2...@turki.gavron.org
Re: [OOT] Free Software - was Re: Toner refill
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 01:25:20PM EST, Bob Proulx wrote: Chris Jones wrote: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms to use, study, and modify the software. How would one ‘use, study, and modify the software’ if one could not afford it in the first place? The cost is not a monetary cost. [..] On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:33:08PM EST, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In 20101117172626.gb30...@turki.gavron.org, Chris Jones wrote: On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:25:00PM EDT, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: [..] Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms to use, study, and modify the software. How would one ‘use, study, and modify the software’ if one could not afford it in the first place? Those are the rights guaranteed by Free Software to entities receiving the software. They do not make a requirement that everyone is able to receive the software. [..] Thanks for reminding me that the discussion was in reference to the GPL concept of ‘Free Software¹’ as stated in its preamble, rather than the generally accepted meaning of ‘free software’ in everyday English. All the same, from a general perspective, I still pretty much stand by what I wrote, namely that the relative success of GNU/Linux and other non-proprietory software and the incredible diversity of options we now have to populate our machines is first and foremost due to the fact that said software is available for download at no monetary cost to the user/developer.. even if at least where GNU software is concerned, this aspect is only a non-intentional side-effect. I mean, what good does it do to a would-be ‘Free Software’ developer to eventually ‘get credit for his work’ if he cannot afford the luxury of a C compiler to start off with? Incidentally, I became a user of free software after I bought a laptop on a whim, when after a couple weeks, I got bored with the copy of Win98 that came with it. I resented the fact that I did not have the freedom to customize it to my liking save for trivial stuff like changing the size of my fonts or the colors of my GUI. So I drove to the store and paid $179.00 for a boxed copy of RedHat 6.2. Only later did I find out about ‘gratis’. Later yet about ‘libre’.. I, for one should know the difference. cj ¹ Where it becomes even more confusing for humble users like myself is that ‘Free Software’ apparently means different things depending on who you listen to: http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101124042445.gd2...@turki.gavron.org
apt-get apting uc?
After syncing via an apt-get update and running an apt-get upgrade, I am seeing some unfamiliar messages when I try to install new packages: # apt-get install fuse-utils fusedav fuseext2 fusefat fuseiso fuseiso9660 fusesmb Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libx264-60 libenca0 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: libcdio7 libfuse2 libiso9660-5 libneon26-gnutls libumlib0 The following NEW packages will be installed: fuse-utils fusedav fuseext2 fusefat fuseiso fuseiso9660 fusesmb libcdio7 libfuse2 libiso9660-5 libneon26-gnutls libumlib0 0 upgraded, 12 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded. Need to get 626kB of archives. After this operation, 1520kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Get:1 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main libfuse2 2.7.4-1.1+lenny1 [125kB] Get:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main fuse-utils 2.7.4-1.1+lenny1 [17.9kB] Get:3 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main libneon26-gnutls 0.26.4-2+b1 [96.3kB] Get:4 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main fusedav 0.2-2 [20.7kB] Get:5 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main fuseext2 0.3-1 [11.5kB] Get:6 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main fusefat 0.1a-1 [32.4kB] Get:7 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main fuseiso 20070708-1 [21.3kB] Get:8 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main libcdio7 0.78.2+dfsg1-3 [143kB] Get:9 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main libiso9660-5 0.78.2+dfsg1-3 [112kB] Get:10 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main libumlib0 0.5-2 [9608B] Get:11 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main fuseiso9660 0.2b-1 [8936B] Get:12 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main fusesmb 0.8.7-1 [27.7kB] Fetched 626kB in 1s (606kB/s) Reading package fields... Done Reading package status... Done Retrieving bug reports... Done Parsing Found/Fixed information... Done → serious bugs of fusesmb (- 0.8.7-1) done #536907 - fusesmb: FTBFS: configure: error: Please install nmblookup. (Fixed: fusesmb/0.8.7-1.1) → grave bugs of fuse-utils (- 2.7.4-1.1+lenny1) pending #602333 - /usr/bin/fusermount: fusermount allows unmount any filesystem → Summary: fuse-utils(1 bug), fusesmb(1 bug) → Are you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n/?/...] My sources.list is as follows, unchanged since September 2009: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main Does the above mean that something in the debian respositories has changed during the eight months when I was unable to use debian and that I needed to follow suit and make changes to /etc/apt/sources.list? Since I hit enter and accepted the default ‘Y’ when asked to confirm whether I wanted to install the packages, have I hosed apt on my system? Or is it just a case of my apt-get upgrade having upgraded apt and the newer version being more verbose? Thanks, cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101124045250.ge2...@turki.gavron.org
Re: [OT] Re: Toner refill
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:25:00PM EDT, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: [..] Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms to use, study, and modify the software. How would one ‘use, study, and modify the software’ if one could not afford it in the first place? During the early years, the GNU project ran on profits from selling EMACS and the GNU GPL is specifically worded to allow commercial distribution of the software licensed under it. Licenses which do not allow commercial distribution are not DSFG-free. I suggest against using toner or ink jet cartridges that are not certified by the printer manufacturer since my experience has shown them to be inferior products. Most often, they over-saturate the page leading to streak, smears, or even splotches and lower effective DPI. Refilled / recycled cartridges are a different story. It depends on the refill method, but they usually work just as well as new cartridges. Good to know. Thanks. cj -- Lads whose job is still to do Shall whet their knives and think of you. - Hugh Kingsmill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101117172626.gb30...@turki.gavron.org
Re: how to make the console not blank out and change resolution?
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 02:52:00PM EDT, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Allow me to ask a stupid question. Permission granted. You see, when that happens, whatever that was on the screen goes away. Nor was most of what was on the screen at that point stored in dmesg or in any /var/log/* file, not can it be ShiftPgUp'ed to anymore. So I would like to stop the blanking just one time to get a look at what was on the screen at that point. You could _try_ hitting CTRL-S / CTRL-Q. cj -- Lads whose job is still to do Shall whet their knives and think of you. - Hugh Kingsmill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101117170316.ga30...@turki.gavron.org
Re: Air compressors vs. canned air
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 08:09:17AM EST, John Hasler wrote: Chris Jones writes: What seems to be happening is that I am a rather 'energetic' typist, and those keyboards were never designed to cope with intensive typing in the first place. Then you need an IBM Model M. You won't wear it out. I've tried external keyboards with laptops but they don't work for me. The wikipedia article is an interesting read, though. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 09:24:39AM EST, Stephen Powell wrote: I second that motion! I have two of them. I wish I had more. They are the best keyboards ever made, in my humble opinion. (Or at least the best keyboards I personally have ever used.) Unfortunately, IBM has not made this keyboard, or any keyboard, for that matter, in years. But I heard on the news about a year ago that some company was making a clone of these keyboards, using IBM's old factory, if I'm not mistaken, for high-end typing power users. The electronics have been updated for a USB interface instead of the original PS/2 interface. But the key action is identical. They aren't cheap! But if your computer can handle a traditional PS/2 keyboard connection, and if you are lucky enough to find one of the original ones used, you might get it for a reasonable price. An outfit called Unicomp apparently makes them nowadays: http://unicomp.com These are 101-key keyboards, not 104-key keyboards. They don't have the two Windows® logo keys or the menu key. But who cares! I never use those keys anyway. They can come in handy as an extra modifier, such as if you need to juggle extra keyboard layouts, for instance. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100217163152.ga9...@turki.gavron.org
Re: Air compressors vs. canned air
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:55:27AM EST, Andrew Euell wrote: That thing is a tank, but don't forget your earplugs. Another thing that probably wouldn't work for me. Please trim.. please don't top post.. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100217182553.gb9...@turki.gavron.org
Re: Air compressors vs. canned air
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 01:12:24AM EST, Kent West wrote: Chris Jones wrote: ...at this point I'm concerned the connector might be reaching the end of its useful life, and that means the next step would be replacing the motherboard. Or just solder in a new connector Yes, more cost-effective if I can find one, and easier than installing a new motherboard. The problem is the platic thingy that locks in place the strip of wired plastic that connects the keyboard has kind of come loose. I managed to put it back in place w/o taking the entire case apart, but I should look into replacing it before it fails. Thanks for the tip, CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100216082711.gh3...@turki.gavron.org
Re: Air compressors vs. canned air
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:28:17AM EST, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:24:19AM -0500, Chris Jones wrote: [...] have you tried running an old one through the dishwasher? works for the old model m's and many other keyboards... Yes, I've heard that before, but I have never tried it. But since it's not a matter of individual keys getting stuck, I don't think the problem is caused by stuff collecting under the key caps. What seems to be happening is that I am a rather 'energetic' typist, and those keyboards were never designed to cope with intensive typing in the first place. As a result, after a few months' use, the little rubber nipples that are meant to push the keys back up when they are released start wearing out and lose their elasticity. Thanks, CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100217070921.ga2...@turki.gavron.org
Re: portable Debian
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:45:22AM EST, Stefan Monnier wrote: Not that I can confirm my USB stick 'portable debian' would work on a wide range of systems. For a number of reasons I was not able to pursue this much further than what is described in my notes, one of them being that I did not have access to a target machine (or machines) and discover possible/probable problems. A good place to test your system is the local consumer electronics store. Closed a couple of years ago, CompUSA that is. I still have a Best Buy not too far from me, but I'm not sure they would be agreeable beyond a quick boot, which would be okay if everything works, but not ideal if you need to debug the thing. The local library might be a more comfortable place, but if I told them what I plan to do, they might get nervous and call the cops or something. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100216043917.gd3...@turki.gavron.org
Re: portable Debian
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:36:23AM EST, Stefan Monnier wrote: [..] - getting your BIOS find your kernel: - some machines can't boot from USB at all. - others can, but with some restrictions (typically Apple hardware, so I end up having to setup my flash key with grub-efi-32, grub-efi-64, and grub-pc, which is poorly supported under Debian). - of course yet other machines aren't even using the IA32 instruction set, so you may need several separate installs (PowerPC/Mips/Arm/...). What I did on my machine with a BIOS that will never recognize USB devices, was boot off of the hard drive grub and then point grub2 to the USB device from the shell that's accessible by hitting 'c' on the grub boot menu. With current versions of grub-pc, you have to load the two USB modules manually, which on my hardware takes for ever. But when you see the USB light come on, you know you're in business. - getting your kernel to find the root filesystem. Your external hard disk partition will typically not have a fixed device name like /dev/sdb2, so you'll want to refer to it with its UUID, label, or via LVM naming. Yes. - Some udev rules try to give unique and *stable* names to devices by simply remembering the names they used in the past. On a system that you move around on many different machines, this can be a pain in the rear, since your only ethernet card may easily end up named eth7 (because eth0-eth6 were already used for the cards on other machines). So you may want to rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-* in your /etc/rc.local. Good point. I've had this 'project' on the back burner for a while and I think it's time to take another look and finalize portability aspects. Thanks, CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100216044744.ge3...@turki.gavron.org
Re: Air compressors vs. canned air
All sound advice and thanks to all for your comments. Come to think of it, I should have mentioned that I only routinely use air on the laptop's keyboard, a flimsy model that vaguely tries to impersonate the real thing, with enough space between the key caps to let stuff like bread crumbs, hairs, not to mention ambient dust.. etc. fall between the keys, which in time is likely to form a nice sticky paste on their underside and end up making some of the keys difficult to operate. So, I'm thinking that for this kind of job, provided the ambient air is not too humid and I give the compressor a few trial burst away from the keyboard to hopefully get rid of most of the moisture and possible oil residues, something like a portable car tire inflator combined with a vac might work for me. I have changed that laptop's keyboard 4-5 times already, and since replacements only cost about $20.00 + SH.. a cost-effective solution is to swap in a new keyboard when the current one stops working to my satisfaction, but at this point I'm concerned the connector might be reaching the end of its useful life, and that means the next step would be replacing the motherboard. As to cleaning the inside of the laptop, that's something I only do when I have some other reason the open the case, such as when I felt it was time to change the CPU's thermal pad. Since I rarely have to do anything that makes it necessary to open the case, even if I feel it's a ripoff, I don't mind spending a few dollars on a can of air all that much. Thank you for your comments. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100216052419.gf3...@turki.gavron.org
Re: font substitution by acroread
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 06:32:13AM EST, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 17:12:54 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: [..] What I vaguely had in mind is that you select a given string or paragraph, and you have an option called Properties maybe, that tells you everything about said string/paragraph, including the font family, style, etc. The pdfedit tool can be used to do roughly that, but you still need to know a bit about the internals of PDF files: Pdfedit allows you to navigate the document tree of the PDF, so you can go to Pages $PAGENUMBER Dictionary Resources Font. This will show you a list of all the fonts used on that page; however, the names will be meaningless internal designations like F5. You can further expand any such font entry to find its FontDescriptor, which (finally!) shows you font properties like FontName, FontWeight, ItalicAngle, etc. Which is why having the pdf viewer do the work might not be a bad idea after all :-) You can also mark a passage of text to see the associated Tf operators, which will tell you the internal name of the font, but then you still have to find out the real name by looking at the Resources of the page as described above. Useful workaround, much appreciated. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: portable Debian
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 08:44:59AM EST, Germana Oliveira wrote: Well, no, what i really want is a portable Debian, so i can, for example, build a web app and show it everywhere without need a web server and just have my own configuration and run it every where Is this what you are talking about? http://osdir.com/ml/debian-user-debian/2009-12/msg4.html I did something similar and started documenting it in the attached draft. CJ Title: The quick and Dirty LiveUSB The quick and Dirty LiveUSBTable of Contents1. Hardware2. Cloning the system3. Configuring grub-pc4. Configuring the clone5. On my laptop6. Other machines6.1. Booting the clone6.2. Running the clone7. Synchronisation8. Conclusion9. AppendixChris Jones cjns1...@gmail.comAbstractAfter cloning my debian lenny system to another partition on my hard drive in order to safely upgrade to debian testing, I realized that I could use the same technique to create a bootable copy of my current system that I could carry around on a USB stick, and hopefully boot any PC I might run into, as long as it had one free USB port, thus saving myself the headaches and backaches of taking my laptop with me, and yet have both all my data and my highly specific desktop everywhere I go.Well, here’s how it went.1. HardwareThe entire procedure was tested on a Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop, whose BIOS is not capable of booting off of a USB device. The USB stick is an 8GB Sandisk Cruzer Micro, acquired from my local Radio Shack at the reasonable cost of about USD 20.00. Since the laptop only supports USB 1.1, running linux off of the USB stick turned out to be very slow, with a very noticeable lag when starting applications.2. Cloning the systemThere are other tools, but since there were parts of my debian lenny file system I did not wish to copy to the USB stick, I found that rsync was fitted well this particular task. Since I had never used rsync, it was also well worth the extra effort to gain some familiarity with rsync, since once the clone is finalized, it will be imperative to keep the two systems in sunc', something that rsync does efficiently, and that other tools do not appear to do out of the box.One useful aspect of rsync is that it supports dry runs via the -n | --dry-run flags, which lets you verify ahead of time that your carefully carved rsync command is doing what you expect.It seems to be indispensable to run rsync as the superuser, since my personal user does not have read access to all the files that need to be copied to the target system.Some directories were not copied to the target system, either because their content is specific to the source system, such as /proc, /tmp, /sys, or because their usefulness on the target system was questionable, such as my collection of debsrc’s for instance, and would both use up space on the USB stick, and greatly increase the time it takes to clone the system.NoteIt appears that the main difficulty with rsync is to understand exactly how to specify the directories that need to be excluded from the cloning.Here are the commands that I issued:# mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /media/memstick # rsync -av / /media/memstick # rsync -av /usr /media/memstick # rsync -av /home/myuser/ /media/memstick/home # rsync -av /var /3. Configuring grub-pcthe idea was to verify that at least on the same hardware as the cloned system everything workedthe bug, and how I was advised to work around it for now (debug=uhci,ohci,usbms + insmod uhci usbms and the orange light came on)adding 2 stanzas to /etc/grub.d/40_custom + update-grub4. Configuring the cloneobviously /etc/fstab must be adjusted to mount the file system on the USB sticknetwork aspects - the laptop has a pcmcia nic - what happens with a regular PCI nic, how about WiFi.. what of funnyISP issues: I have cable, what about DSL.. ISDN.. good old POT modems..udev - avoid creating new devices for ethx or cdrom’s etc. on each new machineXorg - I love native resolutions .. I hate black screensother?5. On my laptopeverything worked first time around, albeit slowlywhat I tested: ….6. Other machines6.1. Booting the cloneneed to make the USB bootableneed to burn a grub rescue CD for those systems whose BIOS cannot boot off of a USB device6.2. Running the cloneBe prepared! it may not be convenient to travel back to the main system to fix stuff.. and it may likewise not be easy to fix them locally. Bring along a copy of a decent rescue CD just in caseneed as generic a config as possible need to separate private data from programsis it a good idea to have one partition for the the system and another for /home?security privacy issues - at least be aware of the fact that USB sticks are small and it’s easy to lose them, or forget them on some public PC somewheres..Slowness of the system7. SynchronisationAll done with mirrors .. rsync I mean.This needs to be optimized and easy as peach .. since it is imperative to do it immediately upon booting into the main system and before leaving on an
Re: portable Debian
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:27:39AM EST, Germana Oliveira wrote: I have problems with that: The attachment only contains personal notes and is not to be taken as a formal HowTo or anything of that type. It was meant to answer your question: 'is it possible' and hopefully provide general directions. Not that I can confirm my USB stick 'portable debian' would work on a wide range of systems. For a number of reasons I was not able to pursue this much further than what is described in my notes, one of them being that I did not have access to a target machine (or machines) and discover possible/probable problems. Well, I guess that since my pcmcia nic won't be there on the target system(s), I should remove the corresponding udev rule for instance. So, what i understand is that i have to remove this rule in my 'external Debian' ? No. This was only meant as an example of configuration aspects specific to my regular system whose cloning might be useless or even harmful on the 'portable' version. As explained above, I have not been able to confirm that. and something i dont understand is the UUID stuff... (im not a pro configuring Debian - as you can see) I don't recall anything about UUID's in my notes. I have to do all this changes in my 'external Debian'? - i guess is a stupid question but i feel i have to do it A far more robust solution would probably be to use debian-live and figure out how you can make it copy over everything that's specific to your 'regular' system so that when you boot the debian-live system you are presented with the spitting image of your regular system. I understand this should be possible but is rather involved and requires some scripting. Where I had a problem with the debian-live approach, is that unless you want to recreate your debian-live environment each time you leave home in a rush, and have decided that you will not make any changes to the clone that you will want to copy back to your 'regular system', you need to find some way to synchronize the two incarnations of your system. I didn't see much in debian-live that would help achieve that with minimal effort, presumably because that's not its intended purpose. But if you don't need a clone of your entire working environment but rather only plan to demo a particular application, it sounds like a generic debian-live system that includes the system components that you need to support your application (libraries, daemons, etc.) on one partition together with a /custom partition with everything you need to run your application that you could mount manually after booting the debian-live system would do the trick? Come to think of it, you probably do not even need debian-live for that, any generic live-CD should probably work just as well. Thanks, CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
