Cubic mouse cursor
Anyone know how to get rid of this 2x2 cm mouse cursor under X? I just re-installed X (3.3.3.1) from potato. --David P.S. Pls CC me.
Re: Cubic mouse cursor
The x probe output is below. I'm using the SVGA server with a Neomagic card. The cursor appears as a large square with upper left hand corner at the mouse point, replacing the normal arrow symbol. I've got no other problems with the xserver. If anyone has seen this and has a fix I'd appreciate it. Thanks, --David [x] Emailed to author [x] Sent to mailing list David R. Kohel wrote: Anyone know how to get rid of this 2x2 cm mouse cursor under X? I just re-installed X (3.3.3.1) from potato. You REALLY need to give some more information. At the very least, we need to know which graphics card and which X server you are using. Also, you might want to go to a virtual console and run $ X :1 -probeonly probe.log 21 This will create a file named probe.log with the startup messages from the X server. If there are any anomalous messages, please post them as well. You night also want to check http://bugs.debian.org/xserver-svga (modify for the X server you use) to see if anyone else has reported similar problems. HTH. -- /'`\ zzzZ | My PGP Public Key is available at: ( - - ) | http://home1.inet.tele.dk/renehl/ --oooO--(_)--Oooo-- Don't ya just hate it when there's not enough room to fin XFree86 Version 3.3.3.1 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) Release Date: January 4 1999 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.2.1ide1 i586 [ELF] Configured drivers: SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0): NV1, STG2000, RIVA128, RIVATNT, ET4000, ET4000W32, ET4000W32i, ET4000W32i_rev_b, ET4000W32i_rev_c, ET4000W32p, ET4000W32p_rev_a, ET4000W32p_rev_b, ET4000W32p_rev_c, ET4000W32p_rev_d, ET6000, ET6100, et3000, pvga1, wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31, wd90c33, gvga, ati, sis86c201, sis86c202, sis86c205, sis86c215, sis86c225, sis5597, sis5598, sis6326, tvga8200lx, tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga8900d, tvga9000, tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr, tgui9400cxi, tgui9420, tgui9420dgi, tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, cyber9320, tgui9660, tgui9680, tgui9682, tgui9685, cyber9382, cyber9385, cyber9388, cyber9397, cyber9520, 3dimage975, 3dimage985, clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd5429, clgd5430, clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5480, clgd5462, clgd5464, clgd5465, clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235, clgd7541, clgd7542, clgd7543, clgd7548, clgd7555, clgd7556, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, cpq_avga, mga2064w, mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag200, mgag100, oti067, oti077, oti087, oti037c, al2101, ali2228, ali2301, ali2302, ali2308, ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440, video7, ark1000vl, ark1000pv, ark2000pv, ark2000mt, mx, realtek, s3_virge, AP6422, AT24, AT3D, s3_svga, NM2070, NM2090, NM2093, NM2097, NM2160, NM2200, ct65520, ct65525, ct65530, ct65535, ct65540, ct65545, ct65546, ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ct6, ct68554, ct69000, ct64200, ct64300, mediagx, V1000, V2x00, p9100, spc8110, generic (using VT number 8) XF86Config: /etc/X11/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) XKB: keymap: xfree86(us) (overrides other XKB settings) (**) Mouse: type: PS/2, device: /dev/mouse, buttons: 3 (**) Mouse: 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms) (**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: NeoMagic (laptop/notebook) (**) SVGA: Monitor ID: My Monitor (--) SVGA: Mode 640x400 needs vert refresh rate of 85.08 Hz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode 640x480 needs vert refresh rate of 75.00 Hz. Deleted. (**) FontPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ (--) SVGA: PCI: NeoMagic NM2070 rev 1, Memory @ 0x3fe0 (--) SVGA: chipset: NM2070 (**) SVGA: videoram: 1024k (**) SVGA: clocks: 25.20 28.30 40.00 (**) SVGA: Using 8 bpp, Depth 8, Color weight: 666 (--) SVGA: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 65.000 MHz (--) SVGA: NM2070: Removing mode (640x400) that won't display properly on LCD (**) SVGA: Mode 800x600: mode clock = 40.000 (--) SVGA: Virtual resolution set to 800x600 (--) SVGA: SpeedUp code selection modified because virtualX != 1024 (--) SVGA: NeoMagic MagicGraph 128 (NM2070) chip (--) SVGA: NM2070: Panel is a 800x600 color TFT display (--) SVGA: NM2070: Internal LCD only display mode (--) SVGA: NM2070: Video modes are displayed in the upper-left corner (--) SVGA: NM2070: Low resolution video modes are stretched (--) SVGA: NM2070: MMIO registers at 0x3FF0 (--) SVGA: NM2070: Linear framebuffer
Re: Cubic mouse cursor
Yes, thanks. That did it. --David Hi, From this line: (--) SVGA: NM2070: Using hardware cursor Probably, you need the option using sw_cursor. Check out the XF86Config man pages to find out exactly how to set it. I think you need to do something like: Option sw_cursor under the device section in your config file hope this helps.. Shao.
Unstable help.
As with another user I've had problems with unstable. I killed X windows with 3.3.3-1, and can't seem to get it back with 3.3.2. XF86Setup just blanks the screen; returning to the tty1 I just find a segfault message. How much do I need to downgrade? Advice? Secondly, on my laptop, I lost login access (users are 'UNKNOWN') and haven't been able to boot with the root disk. (Terminates Unable to open console.) Even Ctrl-alt-del just reports You don't exist, Go away.. (See my previous message.) Help please... --David
Corrupted passwd file?
I think I have a dying hard disk; the only other option is some virus. I was upgrading libc gcc compliers (from potato) on my laptop over a PLIP connection when I gradually started losing priviledges to ftp and telnet into the machine. Once I logged out I couldn't log back in, even as root. At the login prompt I get something like Incorrect password for 'UNKNOWN' on tty1. I can't even reboot, since ctrl-alt-del just retorts maliciously: You don't exist. Go away. So far I haven't even been able to get rescue/root floppies to work: (Unable to open console.) but that may just be due to the corrupt disks I'm trying to salvage. I get no other symptoms of a dying disk: the boot sequence seems to go smoothly with no apparent corruption of the filesystem. --David
Re: Broken emacs
emacs-install emacs19 emacsen-common: Handling install of emacsen flavor emacs19 emacsen-common: byte-compiling for emacs19 Well, do you have set EMACSLOADPATH on your root (or whatever are you using for instaling new packages)? Bilbo This was precisely the problem. The EMACSLOADPATH was set in my user account, and I was trying to install in a window with su root, where the old EMACSLOADPATH from the user account was being used. --David
Broken emacs
I found some references to this in the July and August archives, but has no fix been found for the emacs19 emacs20 packages? My apologies if there has been more recent discussion which I did not find in my search. As far as I could tell, some people got them to install by removing certain other packages, specifically tm. I have no such package installed but installation STILL fails with emacs19 and emacs20. I've done an essentially complete upgrade from bo to hamm, and ended up purging the old emacs to start afresh when I met with the initial errors. The error message is the following: emacs-install emacs19 emacsen-common: Handling install of emacsen flavor emacs19 emacsen-common: byte-compiling for emacs19 Warning: Lisp directory `/usr/local/share/emacs/19.34/site-lisp' does not exist. Warning: Lisp directory `/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp' does not exist. Cannot open load file: bytecomp emacs-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/emacsen-common emacs19 xemacs20 failed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install line 26. dpkg: error processing emacs19 (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 29 Errors were encountered while processing: emacs19 ...and similarly for emacs20. The lisp directory error seems to be irrelevant. The alternative solution from the archives, which I eventually resorted to, is installation of xemacs, but it seems more bulky than emacs and I use emacs typically in text mode anyway. Does anyone have a fix in the works? Or is there a list of conflicting packages which need to be upgraded or removed in order to do the installation? Thanks in advance for the help, David P.S. If responding to the Debian-user list, please cc me in response since I am not presently a subscriber, thanks.
Re: Broken emacs
Seems like the most likely problem, but things have to be very odd for that not to be found... what does dpkg -S bytecomp show? it should at least have emacs19: /usr/share/emacs/19.34/lisp/bytecomp.elc Yes, on a machine with broken emacs19: emacs19: /usr/share/emacs/19.34/lisp/bytecomp.elc and with broken emacs20: emacs20: /usr/share/emacs/20.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp.elc --David
Emacs20.
I get the following error message when trying to install emacs20 from hamm: emacs-install emacs20 Update-menus: waiting for dpkg to finish (forking to background) Update-menus: (checking /var/lib/dpkg/lock) emacsen-common: Handling install of emacsen flavor emacs20 emacsen-common: byte-compiling for emacs20 Cannot open load file: bytecomp emacs-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/emacsen-common emacs20 failed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install line 23. dpkg: error processing emacs20 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 29 Errors were encountered while processing: emacs20 Suggestions? --David -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: RPM packages.
FWIW, I was able to compile SANE on my system running 'unstable' with no problems. Works great with my HP ScanJet 4c. Thanks, I did the partial upgrade. Compiling seemed to work OK, except that the configure doesn't set up the Makfiles to compile xscanimage. I did also upgrade the xlibs. Here are some lines from the configure that might be relevant: checking for X... (cached) libraries /usr/X11R6/lib, headers /usr/X11R6/include checking for dlfcn.h... (cached) no checking for main in -lX11... (cached) no checking for main in -lXext... (cached) no checking for main in -lXpm... (cached) no checking for main in -lglib... (cached) no checking for main in -lgdk... (cached) no checking for gtk_gamma_curve_new in -lgtk... (cached) no checking for libgimp/gimp.h... (cached) no Anyone know what is wrong here? --David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RPM packages.
I'm trying to install sane (Scanner Access Now Easy) using rpm packages for the gtk+ (Gimp Tool Kit) and sane binaries. [ The Debian gimp package does not seem to provide the gimp libraries that I need to compile the sane sourece code. ] Using 'alien --auto package-name.rpm', I get error messages of the form: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unknown output from ldd on `debian/tmp/lib/libgtk.so.1.0.0': ` ./debian/tmp/lib/libgtk.so.1.0.0 = ./debian/tmp/lib/libgtk.so.1.0.0' dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unknown output from ldd on `debian/tmp/lib/libgtk.so.1.0.0': ` libgdk.so.1 = not found' In the end I have something installed, but it is broken. E.g: galois:~ scanimage scanimage: can't load library 'libsane.so.0' I see that in hamm I have the libgtk1 libraries and libgtk-dev. Can I use these without a complete upgrade to libc6? And suggestions? --David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Mouse not working and delayed keyboad input
Now it's working again. I have the advantage that I can boot off of the Slackware root filesystem, and make changes. Unfortunately I still don't know what, if anything, I did to get it to stop locking. I am using /dev/psaux for the mouse, and /dev/ttyS1 for the modem. Both work. Due to lack of support for my video card, I run the (commercial) AccerleratedX server instead of XFree86, but installed XFree86 3.3: they need the same fonts, libraries, etc. I compiled a custom kernel under Slackware, and this is the kernel I boot. One possibility is that booting the out-of-the-box Debian kernel puts my system in a bad state in which I have this keyboard locking problem. Another possibility is that my problem will return once I boot without the external mouse plugged in. It may have something to do with compatibility with the the built-in trackpad. I might also mention that my university-provided office machine (a desktop) also has one of these ps/2 mice. I also set /dev/mouse to /dev/psaux and have no problem. David On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, David R. Kohel wrote: This may well be the problem I am experiencing: see my post on keyboard locking. Now that you mention it, my mouse was nonresponsive. If anyone has a solution, I'd like to know, as I'm still clueless. Thanks, P.S. If this is relevant, I set the mouse (a ps/2) to /dev/psaux. Should this go to one of the /dev/ttyS*? No solution yet but I find it interesting that you are using a ps/2 mouse because I have the same mouse. Perhaps this is something that has to do with the /dev/psaux. It used to work before though until I tried updating my Xserver. I also have many other problems with pcmcia modem not working etc, but I would like to have this fixed first. ~~~ D.J. Mashao, [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Keyboard lock
OK, after running Debian Linux for a week, my system developed the following bug. After logging in from xdm, I can get in about five to twenty keystrokes before the keyboard locks and I can't even do a vulture nerve pinch to shut down. My previous Slackware partition runs fine. I don't have enough disk space to preserve both indefinitely, so I hope some Debian users can suggest a cure. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Mouse not working and delayed keyboad input
This may well be the problem I am experiencing: see my post on keyboard locking. Now that you mention it, my mouse was nonresponsive. If anyone has a solution, I'd like to know, as I'm still clueless. Thanks, P.S. If this is relevant, I set the mouse (a ps/2) to /dev/psaux. Should this go to one of the /dev/ttyS*? I now have a problem with my Debian 1.3.1 on the TI Extensa 575CD laptop. I have been struggling with setting up X (card: Cirrus CL-GD7543 chip). After loggin keyboard input works fine until I touch the mouse then the computer waits something like five minutes before I can type anything. The mouse use to work under X but now it does not. I have checked the bug reports but the suggestion of killing gpm does not work for me. Any help? ~~~ D.J. Mashao, [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xdm configuration
Thanks for the responses. Yes, run-xconsole is unnecessary (I also comment it out), but the xdm-start-server was missing. Note: not no-xdm-start-server (or perhaps this is this an option?) As someone else pointed out, the line :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X needed to be inserted in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers in place of the commented line indicating that debian had not configured X. I had found that one by comparing with my other Debian system, but made the mistake of typing /usr/X11R6/lib/X, which was hard to debug. The gzips fonts in XFree86 3.3 are also incompatible with AcceleratedX. I tried gunzip'ping them, then compress'ing them, but still get an error: font `fixed' not found. Xaccel currently runs by pointing to the XFree86 3.2 fonts. If anyone has any ideas about the nature of this fonts error, let me know. As for the X configuration, the setup scripts should probably be a bit smoother, and more verbose on exiting about how to get back on track after exiting to manually configure an X server. David In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes: ... Now I try to run xdm and it doesn't start. I have a xdm-start line in my /etc/X11/config and on boot it reports that it is starting up xdm. Manually `xdm start` or `xdm` do nothing. What else do I need to configure? This is my /etc/X11/config: # This file contains configuration flags for the X Window System. # For a description of the meanings of the flags, see # /usr/doc/X11/debian.README run-xconsole obey-nologin allow-user-resources allow-user-modmap allow-user-xsession allow-failsafe start-xdm start-fs no-xdm-start-server run-xconsole may be the item you are missing? I don't think so, I have xdm running with run-xconsole commented out. That is no problem. If you comment it out you just don't see all those error messages in the console window passing by :) Eric -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Modem config
What is the current standard for device files? I have a pcmcia modem. Previously it worked fine with /dev/cua1 under my Slackare Linux. Debian appears to have gone to some other device files or naming system. (I think it tried to put /dev/modem -- /dev/ttyS0 which didn't work for me.) Anyway, I pointed /dev/modem to /dev/cua1 on the partition with my Slackware partition. That works fine, but where should it really go? Regarding the pcmcia packages, on the local mirror here I find no completely compatible binary package for the linux kernel 2.0.29. The pcmcia package is split into pcmcia-cs and pcmcia-modules, with versions 2.9.5-2 and 2.9.5-3 compiled for linux kernels 2.0.29 and 2.0.30. Due to rumors of bugs in 2.0.30, I don't want to go to that kernel, and there are only pcmcia-cs 2.9.5-3 and pcmcia-modules 2.9.5.2, which do not solve each others' dependencies under dpkg. I solved the above problem by getting the source package. However this may have been the cause of some previous postings on pcmcia install problems. If it hasn't been corrected at ftp.debian.org, then it should be. David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
X fonts, Re: xdm config
I just answered a question I had about X fonts. XFree86 3.2 fonts are compressed, while XFree86 3.3 are gzipped. To convert between compression formats it is not sufficient to change only the compression of the fonts, but also the fonts.dir file in each font directory, which list font_type.pcf.gz instead of font_type.pcf.Z One would have to do a search-and-replace in these files. (This problem arose because the AcceleratedX from Xi graphics does not support gzipped fonts.) David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
xdm configuration
I chose not to start xdm at the initial configuration because my laptop has an unsupported (by XFree86) video card (Neomagic), and I needed to set up Xinside's (= Xi Graphics now) server. Now I try to run xdm and it doesn't start. I have a xdm-start line in my /etc/X11/config and on boot it reports that it is starting up xdm. Manually `xdm start` or `xdm` do nothing. What else do I need to configure? David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
XFree86 3.3 and ATI Mach64
I've got an ATI Mach64 card (ATI 264CT chipset) which was configured correctly under XFree86 3.2. Now under the highest resolution (1024x768) it displays shadowed traces of the window as I move it -- two prominant resonances can be seen shifted about 1 and 2 cm to the right, but horizontal lines interpolating the images give an irritating jagged and unstable image. This occurs also if the window is rapidly updating text, as when I view man pages, or use view a text file with 'more' or 'less'. I've rerun xf86config, and also tried the original XF86Config file. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Any solution, or do I downgrade? David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Off-topic: Making ALT be the META key
Did anyone come up with a solution to this one? Is this controlled by emacs of X keymapping (or both)? I had the same problem (with emacs) until it spontaneously corrected itself. David I recently installed XEmacs, and would like to have it recognize my ALT key as the META key (which I thought was supposed to be the default, but isn't on my machine). I played around with xmodmap some, but didn't accomplish anything useful. This is an i386 platform, so the HP fixes for it won't help :) Thanks. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
General colorization question
There have been several questions about colorization, but once we get it working, how do we customize it? I'm looking for the equivalent of the /etc/DIR_COLORS in Slackware, from where it is read, and where to specify that users' ~/.dircolors be sourced. David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Networking and talk
Does anyone know how to configure networking so that local talk works without breaking the overall configuration? My previous Slackware /etc/hosts always came with a warning: # By the way, Arnt Gulbrandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] says that 127.0.0.1 # should NEVER be named with the name of the machine. It causes problems # for some (stupid) programs, irc and reputedly talk. :^) This warning is lacking from Debian, but it doesn't commit the error. In my experience, however, I've always had to name the loopback 127.0.0.1 with the name of the machine to get talk to work!!! I might add that I only use talk on the local machine between user accounts. In the past this was never a problem, since I only worked over modems, now I've got an ethernet card on a desktop, and use both PLIP and PPP over a modem on my laptop. I find it absurd to constantly be adjusting the /etc/hosts to get one or the other. Ideas? Given my distance from the continent I called home, talk is the best means of personal communication I know. David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Cron and dying disk
Someone earlier mentioned a cron job being run at 7:00 AM, complaining about the heavy CPU/memory usage. I've found another complication. I had one new hard disk die just after installation. I was in the process of transferring my Slackware Linux filesystem over to it when the superblock became unreadable. The university here replaced it, and I took the opportunity of the Debian release to switch to the Debian 1.3 distribution. It seems that someone got ahold of a batch of bad disks, because every morning I come in and the cron job has failed and left my root file system unmounted. On reboot, I find that I have to run fsck manually to correct a faulty filesystem -- I see error messages similar to those which preceeded the death of the previous disk. Does anyone have any suggestions on disk maintance, and how to keep a flawed disk up? Is this truely a hardware problem? I understand that new hard disks have some measurable frequency of flaws, but two consecutive disks suggests a very high rate of failure. The only other Linux user in my department apparently also had a disk die (RedHat user -- we've covered the major distributions pretty well), and I would also like to know if there could be some problem with the the combination of a particular hard disk (or its configuration) and Linux. The university here has no support for Linux users, so they are only confused when I try to explain that I don't run their installed Win95/DOG system on the hardware they provided me. David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Mailers
I found mutt in unstable, but slang 0.99.38 is not available, giving a conflict. Where do I get the complete package for mutt? I don't find PGP on the mirror here (Singapore). Where is PGP usually located on non-US mirrors? David Frank Barknecht dijo: Hamish Moffatt hat gesagt: // Hamish Moffatt wrote: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): mutt can handle message status (read or unread) in folders other than your inbox where elm does not. It is very elm-like but seems faster and smaller yet just as functional to me. For the same reason, it may be too elm-like to meet your requirements. I have used elm for some years now and recently switched to mutt. I have to say: Mutt is a really really great mail reader. Every elm user absolutely has to give it a try, it's so much better, IMHO, faster and more configureable. If you fear the conversion of mail folders/boxes: Not necessary, because Mutt reads them all! Or in the words of mutt-developer Micheal Elkins ( = the ME in elm-ME): `All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less.' -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Mailers
This is not really Debian specific, but is relevant to handling the volume of mail from this mailing list. I've been using elm for years. But as far as I can tell, it does not handle multiple active folders. Before investing in converting all of my mail archives to a new system, I'd like to know what I'm getting into. I would like to be able to define and presort different mail folders and (why not?) mail subfolders. Under elm, I just started running my mail through filter, as suggested in the official Elm Documentation (filter seems to be part of sendmail only -- not available for smail?), through which I can save the debian list to a folder, but without information on which I have read, etc. Moreover, it doesn't have a directory of my folders. Does anyone have any suggestions or scripts for preprocessing mail in a more intelligent fashion? I would also like to predefine folders (both personal aliases and group aliases independent of my mailing aliases) to which the mail handler should save read messages. This doesn't seem to be a feature in elm. A real mail processor should support some sort of database of people, groups, and folders, intelligent enough to recognize a sender, access her or his PGP key, etc., despite multiple possible e-mail addresses. Pine probably handles folders well, but I've always thought of the user interface as ugly. What are the limitations of pine? Is is fully configurable and programable, or does it also have a ceiling? Xmh and exmh are out -- I read mail from all over and need a text-based system. Or is there a good text-based user interface to mh which would be programmable and have a compatible system of directories and mail handling tools? Before getting too deeply into mh and (e)xmh, and chopping up my current mail folders, I would need to know that I can find all the necessary tools there. Emacs? Are the mail handling tools of emacs worth looking into? I find it hard to believe that the perfect, fully configurable mail handler is not already out there. David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
