need access to old bzip'ed file
Fellow Debian faithful: I need to access many backup files that are quite old. These were compressed with a version of bzip prior to bzip2. I cannot access them. Here is what the 'file' utility says about one of them: $file files/old/elentari/a/refinit.cpp.bz files/old/elentari/a/refinit.cpp.bz: bzip compressed data, version: 0, compression block size 900k $bunzip files/old/elentari/a/refinit.cpp.bz bash: bunzip: command not found $bunzip2 files/old/elentari/a/refinit.cpp.bz bunzip2: files/old/elentari/a/refinit.cpp.bz is not a bzip2 file. I have looked but I cannot find a version of bzip before bzip2. If I find a binary (I have binary Debian CDs back to 0.93) I won't be able to run it because libraries aren't that backward compatible. If I find the sources for the earlier version of bzip, shouldn't I be able to compile and run it? David Teague I use Linux because it runs with a probability of failure that is much lower than the hardware failure rate. Debian Linux because the help that is free, fast, accurate and useful. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Abiword ... am I being dense ???
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Tom Allison wrote: Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 21:34:16 -0500 From: Tom Allison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Debian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Abiword ... am I being dense ??? Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:45:33 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave Selby wrote: I have dselected abiword, downloaded the source for abiword 1.0.3 and compiled it, AOK and it works a treat ... snip I'm not sure, but you might check the ispell install/configuration. There is an option for American/British selection. If nothing else, dpkg-reconfigure ispell ??? But this assumes that the installed package, ispell, is used by AbiWord... You might inquire on the Abiword list, I have seen this mentioned on their mailing list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or you could search the archives at their web site, http://www.abisource.com/ Hope this helps David Teague -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: functional languages (was: Politics of Java)
On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Craig Dickson wrote: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:16:43 -0800 From: Craig Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: functional languages (was: Politics of Java) Colin Watson wrote: You can pass function pointers around in C happily enough. I appreciate it's less theoretically elegant than having functions as first-class citizens, and that it doesn't allow as much compile-time checking, but does it really limit you? Yes, it does. C function pointers are just pointers to code; there is no associated environment, no lexical scoping of variables, etc. This is critical to the concept of a functional language (and the lack of lexical scoping is one of the major reasons why traditional Lisp cannot be considered an FPL). Craig and others Having undesirable featuers such as maintaining state or having dynamic scoping, does not make a language not be functional. The paradigm in scheme and common lisp (both of which have static scoping by the way) is functional. A program in these languages is a collection of nested functions, so these are functional languages. When scheme added lexical scoping, it made that functional language much more useful. When Common Lisp added lexical (static) scoping, Common Lisp was much improved. Unfortunately they added some ketchup to the caviar by introducing the state maintaining looping, sequencing, assignment, and binding of functions and data to identifiers to Scheme. I believe these and I/O are the only imperative features of scheme, and (less certain) believe they are the only imperative features of lisp. David Teague -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: functional languages (was: Politics of Java)
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Deryk Barker wrote: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:40:29 -0800 From: Deryk Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: functional languages (was: Politics of Java) Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:01:34 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thus spake Craig Dickson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Pete Harlan wrote: snip I'd certainly want to call it functional and would go further and say that LISP is also an impure functional language. PH's dikat is IMHO a little too rigid. What about Milner's SML, which also supports side-effects. That is invariably, in my experience, referred to as a functional language. The importance of LISP, Scheme, ML, Miranda, et. al. is surely the establishing of a functional programming *style*, which these languages encourage (to a greater or lesser extent). After all, you *can* do FP in C or Pascal - it's just a lot more work. Pascal and C do not have functions as first class citizens, but Pascal closer than C. In Pascal, but not C, you can pass a function as a function parameter, but you can't return a function from a function in either language. Consquently you cannot do any of the nice self extensions that having functions as first class citizens provides. C and Pascal do not have continuations. I've not done anything with continuations yet, so I cannot talk about that beyond noting the fact. Further comments anyone? David Teague -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
USB/Parallel (was) Re: USB/Serial converter
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:06:27 -0500 From: Matthew Daubenspeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: USB/Serial converter snip Has anyone had any experience with USB - Serial Port converters and linux? Wouldn't these need drivers of some sort to work? There are USB - Parallel converters too. I wonder if anyone has any experience with these under Linux. David Teague -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-sources and apt-preferences
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Paul Johnson wrote: Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 01:11:31 -0800 From: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian User List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: apt-sources and apt-preferences On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 02:45:48AM -0500, Travis Crump wrote: Just out of curiosity, how many megs is your apt-get update? I'd try it myself, but my much shorter sources.list already takes 20 minutes to update over my modem... No idea, I usually fire and forget. My sources.list isn't for anyone short on patience or bandwidth. Someone who is unfortunte not to have reasonable bandwith, as is my situation, perhaps could prevail on a friend with a high bandwidth connection and a cd burner to let you fetch your debs. That is a bit inconvenient, but it beats not having a phone for a day. It doesn't take long at school, where they have a quite fast connection. I wish you Lots of luck, and at least one very good friend with a fast conenection and a brner. David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: copying files
On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Richard Kimber wrote: Subject: copying files Is there a program that will copy files from one directory to another, but which will avoid overwriting files with the same name by automatically creating a unique filename in the second directory, or is this something I need to program for myself? Richard The man page for cp gives a -i option for cp that prompts before overwriting. David Teague Debian user and advocate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: way indulgent on my part--was Re: paint
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, ben wrote: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:59:26 -0800 From: ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Craig Genner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: way indulgent on my part--was Re: paint Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 05:55:39 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] first off, i don't understand your point. second, please keep it on the list, simply because it's a list issue, that's best resolved by the most people having the opportunity to respond. i'm top-posting so that others have the chance to review and perhaps make sense of what i concede i don't understand. ben SNIP I cut much stuff about spam and gripes because it has increased on debian-user to say thanks. I am subscribed to several lists. It is certainly true that spam has increased in all lists over the last year, nevertheless I get the LEAST spam from debian-user. If it can be decreased, and if I can help, please let me know. Thanks to the guys who do the hard work that I cannot. David Teague who depends on this list for support of Debian Distribution. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unsubscribe DOES NOT work!
Kurt: Please point your browser to the Debian web site, www.debian.org. On the lower left side under the SUPPORT header, click the mailing list link. There you will see links SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE. Click the UNSUBSCRIBE link. Read carefully. There you will be able unsubscribe from this list. We can't help you beyoud giving you advice. Actually, sometimes the list unusbscription mechanism doesn't work. However, I have subscribed and unsubscribed for times away from my computer at least four times in the last 4 months, so I know it DOES work, mostly. I wish you luck in trying to eliminate from you email the large amount of traffic from this list. David Teague On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Kurt Meyers wrote: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:06:19 -0400 From: Kurt Meyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Unsubscribe DOES NOT work! Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:06:45 -0500 (CDT) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why is it impossible to unsubscribe to this list? I know this is not the correct way, but I have tried the correct way many times and it DOES NOT work! Kurt Meyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dr. Scheme
Hi I need the Dr. Scheme package for my teaching. I run Woody, but notice that the only Dr. Scheme package (the latest, 2.02) is in Unstable. Just how unstable is DrScheme 2.02? Can I safely install it from Sid's package into my Woody, or am I asking for trouble? Should I get the original source or Sid's source and compile? Any words of encouragement or advice? David Teague -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Faulty hard drive?
Alex
My experience with IDE drives (both cheap and expensive) is when drive
errors show up, drive death is impending. I believe that IDE drives have
automatic sparing of bad blocks, so you don't see bad blocks until the
spares are used up. By then the surface is flaking off with your data.
I think you should back up all important data and replace the drive.
IDE drives, even BIG ones, are inexpensive right now.
There is a Linux program called badblocks that will identify and mark the
bad blocks. I have not had good luck using this on drives that have become
flaky. Drive manufacturers have programs for low-level formatting. I have
not tried them.
I wish you luck.
David Teague
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Alex Polite wrote:
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:04:13 +0200
From: Alex Polite [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [OT] Faulty hard drive?
Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:10:46 -0500 (CDT)
Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Last week I suffered something that was probably a hard drive
crash. I do extensive nightly backups so very little data was lost,
but the reinstallation on this sub notebook (no floppy, no cdrom) was
rather laborious.
During the reinstallation messages like these where spewed to the
console:
##
Oct 3 13:27:16 matijek kernel: hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady
SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
Oct 3 13:27:16 matijek kernel: hda: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError },
LBAsect=5523654, sector=2792604
Oct 3 13:27:16 matijek kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:04 (hda), sector
2792604
Oct 3 13:27:31 matijek kernel: hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady
SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
Oct 3 13:27:31 matijek kernel: hda: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError },
LBAsect=5523654, sector=2792604
Oct 3 13:27:31 matijek kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:04 (hda), sector
2792604
##
I restarted the installation an went through a check bad blocks on
device /dev/hda. This didn't report anything (as I can recall), and I
didn't get any more of these messages, until today when my box froze
for a minute or so and the stuff quoted above showed up in
/var/log/messages
Is this an indication that my hard drive is physically damaged and
that I can expect another crash unless I replace it with a new drive?
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Re: Are the experimental GNOME2 debs any good?
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, christophe barbé wrote: On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 04:33:33PM -0400, christophe barbe wrote: The problem with using gnome2 out of experimental is that unlike a staging aera you get all the experimental stuff not related to gnome (unless you tweak apt). To be clearer here, if you do: apt-get -t experimental upgrade to update your gnome2, you also upgrade not related packages with experimental version. Christophe Barbé [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christophe, I read the man page for apt-get, but the action of -t is NOT made clear there. In that man page I see the options -t -target release -default-release Then there is explanation that seems to apply to the last of these items, but not the first two. (Probably my ignorance.) Please point me to a document that will explain the behavior of apt-get, especially in this setting. Of course I would not reject any explanation you might give, but I'd like something else to read besides that terse man page. (After you have learned it, man pages are WONDERFUL, but not at first :( Finally, how do I restrict action to updating my gnome to gnome2 and its dependencies? Thanks, David Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can i trust you with this project
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:14:46 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: can i trust you with this project On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 08:14:37PM -0500, Michael Olson wrote: This is probably a hoax. I heard a news account of someone who got ripped off in a northern State for a million dollars or two. Besides, it's illegal and too good to be true. Probably? How about absolutely? This is one of the oldest and most popular con games in the world. Look up Nigerian Scam or Advanced Fee Fraud on Google for more info. There scam must work. I've been getting a lot more of them lately, sometimes as many as two or three a week. -- --- Mary had a crypto key, she kept it in escrow, and everything that Mary said, the Feds were sure to know. --- Our University's Director of Security sent around a news article about a bunch of Nigerians being arrested in South Africa for involvement in wire fraud in connection with the Nigerian e-mail scam. I will forward it to anyone who asks by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Teague -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get upgrade holding back packages
On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, Bill Morgan wrote: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:41:25 -0500 From: Bill Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: apt-get upgrade holding back packages Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:41:16 -0500 (CDT) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/21/02 9:21 AM, Matthew Daubenspeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $ apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages have been kept back apache apache-common bind9-host binutils dhcp-client dnsutils file html2text libc6 libc6-dev libdb2 libdb3 libdns5 libfreetype6 libglib1.2 libisc4 liblwres1 libpng2 libssl0.9.6 libwrap0 logrotate mailx make mawk modutils openssl pppoe tcpd wget whois 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 30 not upgraded. I didn't change a thing and apt-get was working perfectly yesterday. Any idea what I broke? You're running Testing (Sarge), right? A logjam just broke and many Interdependent packages entered testing all at once. You need to do apt-get dist-upgrade to handle this situation. Good luck, Bill PLEASE CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I am not on the list. I have a similiar problem, but I am running Woody, recently updated from a pre-beta installation. I have 240 packages held back, and none of the solutions suggested here works. apt-get dist-upgrade still does nothing beyond giving a long list of held-back packages. However, apt-get install package_name seems to work for individual packages. I tried a2ps and aalib. Do I have to install each package by hand? Surely there an automatic way to complete the upgrade from pre-beta-Woody to Stable-Woody? David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installation: pkgs held back question
Hi Thanks for the help from members of the list. I'd like some more help, please. I noticed the warning about openssl security. I found it installed on my Woody system. I wanted the latest security (and other) updates. I attempted to update my system using apt-get update then iterating apt-get dist-upgrade || apt-get -f install I have appended the results from this command and dpkg -l and dpkg --audit at the end of this message. I was successful recently in updating to Stable from Woody pre-beta (Nov 2001) by repeating the above apt-get commands until updating stoped. This time this command upgraded one package. It noted that 240 packages were held back. On the next iteration it told me that 240 pacages were held back, and 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 241 not upgraded. Repeating this command does nothing more except attempt to install a kernel image I do not want. (That is Question 2, below) Question 1: How do I take these packages off hold or otherwise make the update continue. OR -- do I want to do this? This command tried to install a 2.20 kernel. It noticed that I have 2.20 modules and politely asked whether to replace them. I don't want the 2.2 kernel, I am very happy with 2.4.14-k6 kernel. It offered the opportunity to stop, so I said stop now. Question 2: How do I tell the package system not to install the 2.20 kernel? As usual, if I have failed to read somthing I should have, feel free to flame, or just say so. David Teague = dpkg --audit gives no output dpkg -l I believe the output from this tells me the packages that are kept back are on hold Here is output from my attempt to upgrade: elentari:~# apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 241 not upgraded. elentari:~# apt-get dist-upgrade || apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Calculating Upgrade... Done The following packages have been kept back a2ps aalib1 acct addressbook adduser analog asclock-themes at base-passwd bc bin86 bing binstats bison bplay bsdmainutils bug byacc bzip2 cdparanoia cdtool cflow cgilib clisp compface console-data cutils cvs cweb dc debian-policy debianutils dict diff dupload e2fsck-static e2fsprogs electric-fence elkdoc elvis-tiny emacsen-common enlightenment enlightenment-data enlightenment-theme-shinymetal enscript epic esound-clients exmh fileutils finger fmirror fnlib-data freetype2 ftp-ssl ftpd-ssl funny-manpages gawk gcl gdk-imlib1 gettext-base ghostview giftrans gimp-data-extras gnome-applets gnome-control-center gnome-core gnome-help-data gnome-panel-data gnome-session gnome-users-guide gpm grep gs gtop gv host iamerican ibritish imagemagick imlib-base imlib1 indent info iptraf ispell java-common jed kbd klogd latex2html lftp lha libast1 libbz2-1.0 libcap1 libcapplet0 libcdparanoia0 libcompfaceg1 libcompress-zlib-perl libconvert-ber-perl libcurses-perl libdbi-perl libedb1 libfnlib0 libft-perl libgd1 libghttp1 libglade-gnome0 libglade0 libgnome-vfs0 libgpmg1 libgtop1 libjpeg-progs libjpeg62 libkpathsea3 liblcms libldap2 liblwres1 libmagick5 libmng1 libnet-perl libnewt0 libnss-db libogg0 libperl5.6 libplot libpng2 libpopt0 libproplist0 libpvm3 libsasl7 libscrollkeeper0 libsdl-image1.2 libssl0.9.6 libterm-readkey-perl libtimedate-perl libungif3g liburi-perl libvorbis0 libwrap0 libwww-perl libwww0 libxml1 logrotate lpr lurkftp m4 mailagent mailx make make-doc manpages menu mesag3 mime-support miscfiles motifnls mtools mtr ncftp ncurses-base ncurses-bin ncurses-term netbase netkit-inetd netkit-ping netpbm-nonfree nvi oleo openssl patch perl perl-base perl-doc perl-modules perl-suid perl-tk perlmagick playmidi procmeter pstoedit pstotext psutils queso r5rs-doc rpm rsync scrollkeeper scsh sendfile sharutils sortmail ssh stat stl-manual strace sudo svgalibg1 sysklogd t1lib1 talk talkd tar tcpd telnet telnetd tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-doc tetex-extra texinfo tkdiff unhtml update whiptail xbanner xbmbrowser xcolorsel xearth xemacs21 xemacs21-basesupport xemacs21-bin xemacs21-nomule xemacs21-support xftp xinput xkeycaps xless xloadimage xlockmore xmaddressbook xmbdfed xnetload xodo xpaint xpaste xviewg xvt xzoom ytalk 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 240 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/5943kB of archives. After unpacking 422kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] (Reading database ... 63899 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace kernel-image-2.2.20 2.2.20-1 (using .../kernel-image-2.2.20_2.2.20-5_i386.deb) ... You are attempting to install a kernel image (version 2.2.20) However, the directory /lib/modules/2.2.20 still exists. If this directory belongs to a previous kernel-image-2.2.20 package, and if you have deselected some modules
Re: Ongoing saga of upgrading my old Woody
Colin David wrote: I ran dpkg -l, dpkg --audit, got a bus error On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Colin Watson wrote: I'd be rather concerned about that last one. Are you sure you haven't got disk corruption or memory problems? An I/O error points to the former. Can you 'less /var/lib/dpkg/status' and scroll down to the end without errors? Nope, I get wierd stuff when I try that. I just checked, I get a read error, and sum fails with an i/o error. Someone suggested removing it and trying again. I think I'll back up my data some place else and reboot, then fsck the disk. What do you think? David Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:10:03 +0100 From: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ongoing saga of upgrading my old Woody Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:10:13 -0500 (CDT) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 03:07:59PM -0400, David Teague wrote: elentari:~# apt-get dist-upgrade || apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Read error - read (5 Input/output error) E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Read error - read (5 Input/output error) E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. elentari:~# I'm fishing here, but you might want to try to strace something that's giving this bus error and see where it's breaking. -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I Can t Unsubscribe
Ezequiel If you are, as has been suggested, sending unsubscribe messages FROM the machine that receives the messages from the mailing list, and TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you STILL are not unsubscribed, then you should point your browser to www.debian.org and look on the left side (scroll down a bit) for Support, and click mailing lists under that. You will find a link to a page that contains an unsubscription form, through which you can with reasonable certainty, unsubscribe yourself. If this fails, then send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This seems to work well. Luck to you David Teague On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Ezequiel Franca Santos/SAO/Geo wrote: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:44:58 -0300 From: Ezequiel Franca Santos/SAO/Geo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian User List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I Can t Unsubscribe Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:46:41 -0500 (CDT) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Guys !! I ´m trying to unsubscribe since 1 week ago, but i´m not succeed in doing. Why ??? i send the messages to the unsubscribe, but don´t worked ... i try a few times, but i the messages still come in !!1 sorry for my poor english ! Ezequiel Debian User São Paulo - Brazil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Errors in upgrading old Woody. Help?
Thanks to Scott and others who have been answering my questions. I still have some troubles. I am running Woody installed Nov 2001 on which I have successfully run apt-get update apt-get install aptitude Per discussion in the release notes and upgrade notes, and on this list, I ran the command: apt-get dist-upgrade || apt-get -f install I got the following error. Twice. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-applets: Depends: gnome-panel (= 1.2.0-1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 (= 0.11.0-1) but it is not going to be installed rep-gtk-gnome: Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 (= 0.11.0-2) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. The first time I tried dpkg --audit I got a bus error I cleared the screen and ran something else, then again. to be sure I got what i thought, and I got this. dpkg --audit dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 16531 package `cpp-3.0': `Depends' field, reference to `gcc-3.0-base': version contains ` ' This is the error I got from the second time I attempted to issue the command. This is supposed to be -- well, if not easy, then easier than other OS upgrade. Doesn't seem to be. Somebody help me, please? David Teague *** Full error messages from two successive attempts to run apt-get dist-upgrade || apt-get -f install elentari:~# apt-get dist-upgrade || apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Calculating Upgrade... Failed Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-applets: Depends: gnome-panel (= 1.2.0-1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 (= 0.11.0-1) but it is not going to be installed rep-gtk-gnome: Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 (= 0.11.0-2) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 453 not upgraded. elentari:~# apt-get dist-upgrade || apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Calculating Upgrade... Failed Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-applets: Depends: gnome-panel (= 1.2.0-1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 (= 0.11.0-1) but it is not going to be installed rep-gtk-gnome: Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 (= 0.11.0-2) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 453 not upgraded. elentari:~# apt-get dist-upgrade || apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Calculating Upgrade... Failed Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-applets: Depends: gnome-panel (= 1.2.0-1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 (= 0.11.0-1) but it is not going to be installed rep-gtk-gnome: Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 (= 0.11.0-2) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 453 not upgraded. elentari:~# apt-get install dpkg apt debconf Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Sorry, apt is already the newest version. 2 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 451 not upgraded. Need to get 1167kB of archives. After unpacking 147kB will be freed. Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main dpkg 1.9.21 [1073kB] Get:2 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main debconf 1.0.32 [94.0kB] Fetched 1167kB in 13s (87.1kB/s) Preconfiguring packages ... dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 16532 package `cpp-3.0': `Depends' field, reference to `gcc-3.0-base': error in version: epoch in version is not number E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Next step in bringing my Woody up to date
Please CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with replyies. The subject says it all. On my K6 350, 64 MB RAM, I am running Woody, installed circa Nov 2001, My sources.list points to stable and include security. If I understand things correctly, I now need to run the commands apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade to bring my system up to date. I can then run apt-get install (whatever packages I want) or I could use dselect. Is this correct? Any more advice? BTW Thanks to those wh quickly replied to my previous inquriy about installing aptitude, that worked. I have some Manual reading to do there. David Teague -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
getting Aptitude failed with my sources.list
Mario It is my intention to install aptitude then to use that to upgrade my old (pre-beta, circa Nov 2001) Woody system to Stable Woody, then to upgrade to Sarge, then keep it that way. I tried to fetch aptitude using apt-get per our discussion of last week. Here is the list of errors followed by my /etc/apt/sources.list It appears to me that something is wrong in my sources.list Please advise what needs to be changed. Partial transcript of apt-get attempt: elentari:/etc/apt# apt-get install aptitude Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Package aptitude has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Pack ages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org stable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_P ackages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org stable/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_non-free_binary-i386_ Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) SNIP If you need the rest, I'll be happy to send it. It all looks the same to me :( -- Kinda like the sources.list is wrong. My sources.list follows. # # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stable/updates main contrib non-free This is the sources.list that was used to update the Potato system to Woody in November except for the security line which came from advice from someone on this list. What do I do to fix this? Thanks David Teague Please CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting Aptitude failed with my sources.list
Jamin Many thanks. I just did this. It indeed down loads a new list of packages and updates many. It also got aptitude, which I will use to finish the upgrade. The error message said to do this on the next-to-last line that I did not read but certainly should have read before I wrote the list. Again, thanks. Off to RTFM (again). David On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Jamin W.Collins wrote: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:45:34 -0500 From: Jamin W.Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: getting Aptitude failed with my sources.list On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:41:33 -0400 (EDT) David Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary- i386_Pack ages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) (snip) This is the sources.list that was used to update the Potato system to Woody in November except for the security line which came from advice from someone on this list. What do I do to fix this? Have you tried an apt-get update? That should download a new list of packages that are available via the servers in your sources.list file. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE your inquiry of March 11 Re Walmart Microtel
Hi Glenn and Timothy While cleaning out my mail box I came across a question and answer from back in March between Glenn and Timothy about whether one could run Debian on a Wal-Mart Microtel. I asked the Lindows people what they based Lindows on. They said: Response (Mark)08/22/2002 04:06 PM Dear David, Lindows.com does follow the Debian Distribution in all aspects. Best Regards, The Lindows.com Support Team So the answer to the question, will Debian run on Microtel, is --- YES Microtel will run Debian, that is what it is sold with! It has some NON GPL'ed stuff layered onto X, but it seems to essentially be Debian with their proprietary user interface. They claim to contribute to open source software, but I wish they would GPL the stuff they have layered onto Debian. David Teague -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ot c++ programming in linux
Hi Faisal
To learn C++ well, get a copy of a good C++ text. I like Savitch, Problem
Solving and Programming in C++ 4th edition from Addison Wesley. It will be
published in mid July. There is a 3rd edition available now, but the 4th
is better. I make no money off sales of this book. My connection to the
book is that I write supplements for which I am paid lump sum amounts,
no residuals.
Your code, as has been pointed out here, is C, not C++, and conio.h is a
product for DOS/Windows command line i/o, but has been ported to Linux and
g++, but it is better not to use it at all.. Finally, the header file is
stdio.h, not studio.h.
There are other issues such as the iostream i/o that you should use in
preferece to the C stdio library for many reasons.
IMHO Emacs and g++ make the best development environment for any platform
to which these have been ported. Emacs requires a bit of work as the
commands tend not to be any more mnemonic than the keystroke equivalents
in any Windows IDE. If you use X Windows in Linux, then Xemacs has most of
the same facilities that any Windows IDE provides.
There are other IDEs for sale for Linux, and MoonShine, which is used g++,
is available for download. I do not have the URL. Use a search engine such
as Google.
If I can help you further, please write to me off line.
David Teague
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, faisal gillani wrote:
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:17:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: faisal gillani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Ot c++ programming in linux
Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:18:12 -0400
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Well i am a newbie learning c++ these days we are
being thaught on turbo c 3.0 but as like other things
i want to work on c++ in linux .. so i installed gcc
on my linux box but i dont have any idea how to
install it for example i write a program as follows in
turbo c
#includestudio.h
#includeconio.h
void main (void)
{
printf(hello world);
}
how do i write the same program in gcc ?
i have tried the same but it gives out error the
#in... files not found
what can i do how to compile this program ?
thanks
faisal
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Re: man or info?
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 10:18:41PM -0500, John Hasler quoted
Peter De Wachter who wrote:
I just discovered this in the info manual, which is BTW not 'info
info', but 'info info-stnd'. ('info info' gives only documents a small
portion of the keystrokes. I have a feeling it's intended to be the
documentation of the Emacs info mode.) How is a new info user supposed
to discover this?
No way, :)
On my woody snapshot (from late fall)
info info-stnd
gets me nothing. To get Standalone info I have to type
info Standalone
I found this by searching (control s) the Info tree for standalone
I found the line
* Standalone info program: (info-stnd). Standalone Info-reading program.
I guessed the command.
Shouldn't there be some indication somewhere that the command set
for standalone is different from what you get in Emacs? (Or is it?)
David Teague
Debian support is timely, accurate, and free.
Thanks folks.
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using old Adobe post script fonts
Hi I have 3.5 inch floppies containing installation files for Adobe postscript fonts (these were for Windows 3.1). These floppies contain a README.TXT file that says, in part, The following table lists the location of each of the fonts included in this package. There is a total of 3 font disks. If you are reading this document using Windows Notepad, please make sure to set your left and right margins to zero before printing. Disk 1: -- PostScriptWindows Menu name plus ATM DOS File Name Control Panel Style Links Name (BOLD, ITALIC, and BOLDITALIC) -- Bookman-Light Bookman BKL_.PFB Bookman-Demi Bookman,BOLD BKD_.PFB Bookman-DemiItalicBookman,BOLDITALICBKDI.PFB Bookman-LightItalic Bookman,ITALICBKLI.PFB Courier Courier [snip] I paid about $100 for this stuff. I would like to use them. I hope some one can tell me how to use these with Linux. My wife would be overjoyed to be able to use them with here Windows box. Can anyone help? David Teague -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newbie Resources Was -- Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
Hi I remember Dale (aka Dwarf) Sheetz's the Debian Linux User's Guide. ISBN 0-9659575-1-9. published by Linux Press in 1998. It was distributed with a CD of Debian 2.1. It was available as html for free electronic redistribution, That was one of the better Newbie Debian books. Does anyone know whether Dale updated this Debian book? It still might be useful to a newbie if anyone sitll has it. There is a web site (and I'll have to ask someone for the URL) that is dedecated to the Newbie and their questions. David Teague On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Jamin W. Collins wrote: Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:59:47 -0500 From: Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian book for complete newbie? Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:54:17 -0400 Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:01:36 +0200 Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 06:33:09AM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote: You might try the Linux Cookbook by Michael Stutz (ISBN 1-886411-48-4). The author provides something of a Debian based solution to lots of common situations. apt-get install linuxcookbook Yea, but the OP requested a printed book. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I want a linux internet connection going thru a win98 box:how??
Internet connection sharing on Win 98, huh? I had networking running between a linux box, a win 98 box, and a wind 98 box that talks to my ISP. I installed internet connection sharing, and the network disappeared from my network neighborhood on the windows 98 machine that is connected to the ISP, and from the network neighborhood of the other windows machines on the network. I cannot get to the ISP machine from the linux box, either. If you are still running windows 98, install linux unless you have truly compelling reasons for keeping windows. I am being paid to do so, so I keep both Linux Woody, Windows 2000 and and XP running. My fix for this will be to install the ISP on the XP box, and use internet connection sharing there. The old windows 98 box will become a printer server with Samba. BTW If you know how to make the windows 98 2nd edition Internet connetion sharing work in less time that an XP installation, I'd like to do that. I just dont' have the time to make the installantion right now. --David On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, David Purton wrote: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:14:36 +1030 From: David Purton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: I want a linux internet connection going thru a win98 box:how?? Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 02:39:29 -0500 Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 10:08:51PM -0800, tony brito wrote: Hello I am a new linux user I use netzero as my ISP and pay 9.95 per month! netzero is installed on my win98 box. I use a modem for dial-up service to netzero. I also have both my linux box and win98 connected with an Ethernet card. Is there a way I can dial up to netzero using my win98 box, Then go to my linux box create an internet connection succesffully. (e.g. open netscape and go to www.debian.org from my linux box) Yes, prividing your win98 box is running win98 second edition, you can use Microsofts's internet connection sharing program. It highly dodgy, a pain to set up, has stupid defaults and generally drives people insane, but if you're persistant it does work. Once you have it set up on the windows side, just set your linux default gateway to the ip address of your win98 box. ICS also runs a name server of sorts, so you can point to it for your dns as well. it will auto-dial and I'm not sure if you can have this off or not If you're not running win98se, there are a few 3rd party apps which do the same thing (probably better) cheers dc -- David Purton http://www.chariot.net.au/~dcpurton/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: directPC vs Starband (slightly off topic)
Dave Mallery writes: i will be forced to go to one of the satellite providers shortly. if you are using either or the above (or some other service) i would greatly appreciate some feedback. i am in a totally remote location. is there a problem with directpc's usb ethernet connection? I am also in a very remote setting, with no hope of either high speed telephone net access nor cable modem, so IF I get hight speed connection I'll have to do the same thing you are contemplating. Does ANY satellite net connection support Linux? That is as been my first criterion. I am unaware of any that do. I have been told that Windows has router software built-in but I have not been able to get anything runnind to share my 56K connection. Please keep us advised of your successes (which all of us wish you to have). --David On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, dave mallery wrote: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:04:36 -0700 (MST) From: dave mallery [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian UserList debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: directPC vs Starband (slightly off topic) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:59:40 -0500 Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org hi i will be forced to go to one of the satellite providers shortly. if you are using either or the above (or some other service) i would greatly appreciate some feedback. i am in a totally remote location. is there a problem with directpc's usb ethernet connection? thanks much dave -- Dave Mallery, K5EN (2.2r5 potato) PO Box 520 Ramah, NM 87321 no gates .~. no windows... /V\ /( )\ running Debian GNU/Linux^^-^^ (Linux is a trademark of Linus Torvalds) free at last! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When will woody be out?
I have been running it on two production boxes. Works WELL Actually, prior to Woody, I ran a snapshot of Potato taken about 3 months prior to the freeze. Ran it until November of 2000, never a minutes trouble. From what my students say about RH, Woody is more stable than the current RH release --David On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Tony Crawford wrote: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:43:01 +0100 From: Tony Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: When will woody be out? Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:14:59 -0500 Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org louie miranda wrote (on 28 Feb 2002 at 22:27): Hi, when will Woody be out? Use it now, while it's still in ... Sorry. But seriously, it's running very well for lots of people already. T. -- -- Tony Crawford -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- +49-3341-30 99 99 -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VB: boot floppy for Debian
Paul, Thanks to all who responded to this, those who responded to my earlier message. I sent a mail message on this subject about a month ago. I asked why the procedure outlined here failed for me, and the dd of a kernel to the raw floppy that was appropriately rdev'd failed as well. Several folk responded that each of the methods below works to create a boot floppy. Only it didn't work for me. I finally figure out that I had a bad floppy drive. It finally got so bad I couldn't format f disk. I had to replace the drive and cable to make it work. David On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Debian (E-mail) wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:43:43 +0100 From: Debian (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: VB: boot floppy for Debian Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:46:12 -0500 Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Thanks Greg, it works fine that way :-) (already tested) Paul .~. Fischer /V\ /( )\ ^^-^^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.fischerpaul.com -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Greg C. Madden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: den 21 februari 2002 21:49 Till: debian-user Ämne: Re: boot floppy for Debian On Thu, 2002-02-21 at 09:56, Paul Fischer wrote: Hi all and thanks for all great tips, my problem: I always boot my Debian from floppy, also Win2000 is running on the same box, trying to create a second boot floppy, just in case below is what happening: marvin:~# mkboot /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.18pre21 Insert a floppy diskette into your boot drive, and press Return. Creating a lilo bootdisk... mkdir /tmp/boot464 mke2fs -q /dev/fd0 mke2fs 1.18, 11-Nov-1999 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /tmp/boot464 cd /tmp/boot464 cp /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.18pre21 /boot/boot.b . lilo -C - - EOF2 Warning: device 0x0308 exceeds 1024 cylinder limit Fatal: geo_comp_addr: Cylinder number is too big (1371 1023) set +e; cd /; umount /dev/fd0; rmdir /tmp/boot464 There was a problem creating the boot diskette. Please make sure that you inserted the diskette into the correct drive and that the diskette is not write-protected. Would you like to try again? (y/n) -- it creates boot.b + vmlinuz-2.2.18pre21 but it's not bootable. ? snip I can not help with the above issue but if you have a working boot disk you might be able to use 'dd' to make another copy. 1. copy the floppy to a dir on your hard drive 'dd if=/path to floppy of=dir path/boot.image bs=1024' 2. copy the file you created back to a floppy: 'dd if=~/boot.image of=/path to floppy' (man dd) -- Greg C. Madden Debian GNU/Linux 3.0
Re: Earthlink Dialup
Is Earthlink Linux friendly? Can I use Kermit or other terminal program to talk to it? Will it respond to a normal PPP connection? --David On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Bruce Burhans wrote: On 1/24/2002 @ 1:41 AM, Ben wrote: [snip] the @ in the login wouldn't influence the network behavior, and i know from an acquaintance who's also on earthlink--using a mac--that she has to login with her full email address. on win mac, subscribers have to download proprietary dialup software and it's probably due to some aspect of that [snip] Yes, you have to log on to Earthlink with your full e-mail address and password, but my Internet Explorer does this automatically. And IE is *all* I use. I only signed up with EL *because* I wouldn't have to use their software. The next step, of course, is to get rid of IE. I'm reading through the installation manual and trying to get up the nerve to re-install XP (Which I have to do in order to divide my HD into 2 equal primary partitions because of the way the turkeys at Gateway did it initially) and am sending off for the 2.2r5 CDs in the near future. Greetings to you one and all from a quaking newbie who is tired of being shoved around by MS. Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
What is OT:
Perhaps a stupid question, but -- What does OT: mean? I have seen many postings that have OT: followed a topic.. on the SUBJECT:: line. Recently, two messages had semi-ot as part of the subject line. What OT: means seems to be known to many, but I haven't a clue. Please enlighten me. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
Re: grub problem SOLVED
Andrej Congratulation on solving your grub problem. You mention a document that describes your situation. Please name it, and tell where it can be found. David On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, andrej hocevar wrote: Hello! I updated grub to 0.9 and it totally amazes me! So many new commands, great! I've also found a document that describes my situation in detail. The solution is to tell grub the first partition be hidden and then boot from a windows floppy. What simplicity. I haven't tried it out yet! :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: SB AUDIGY Player supported by Linux?
I have one of teh beasts, and would like to know about making it owrk with Linux. I did a Lycos search and found this article LinuxHardware.org/articles/01/08/29/1657236.shtml (copied by hand) posted by augustus on Wednesday August 29, @11:56AM from the Audio-Support dept. Patrick McLean writes I was looking at the emu10k1-devel archives and I noticed a thread about Audigy, the lead emu10k1 developer basically states that he's heard that the current emu10k1 drivers should be able to support basic Audigy functions with some modification. I hope that this is true and hopefully creative will release the full specs so the ALSA people can have a go at it too. Great news! I'm glad someone's already on top of this as I have yet to hear anything official back from Creative on my end. I hope this gives you a place to look. David On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Stephen Gran wrote: Thus spake Ingo Buesching: Hi, does anybody know, whether the SB AUDIGY Player sound card from creative labs is supported by linux? Thanks, Ingo It appears from ALSA that support is 'undetermined as of yet', and I find no mention of the card in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/ - so it appears not at the moment. Steve -- I never let my schooling get in the way of my education. -- Mark Twain --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: [Fwd: OT: Rant]
If you like LaTeX, You might try LyX. It works wonderfully, retains all the support for LaTeX yet is nearly WYSIWYG. They claim WYSIWTW What you see is what you want. I used it all fall to prepare class notes and documents for my Organization of Programming Languages course and upper division C++ courses. David On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Kent West wrote: Kent wrote: I really miss WordPerfect! And I wish there were some open-source software that did what it does. q. wrote: The more I use linux, the more i've come to use vi for most of my word processing. I guess maybe I'm starting from the wrong premise. I'm not trying to do word processing; I'm trying to do Desk Top Publishing, to create a monthly newsletter, with columns and graphics and drop caps and text boxes and etc. From what I've been able to glean over the years, Tex and its derivatives may be what I want, but each time I try (over the past three years) I just get frustrated and fall back to what I know works (e.g. WordPerfect). I've also come to understand that Tex is perfect for writing books and doctoral theses, and the like, especially if they have fancy mathematical formulas, but that's not the type document I'm trying to do. So it's not so much that I miss WordPerfect, as it is that I miss being able to accomplish the same tasks that I could in WP. Surely it's possible, but so far, it's not easy for the average person who does DTP in the MS-Windows world to figure out how to do it in the Linux world (or at least, it hasn't been easy for me). Anyway, just ranting; I appreciate everyone's courtesy in not flaming me for my OT rant. Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Debian on Lindows ?
Hi Joris and all Is there a reason we couldn't do something to Debian that would allow it to use libriaries from Lindows to run Windows binaries? I will use Wine before I'll dump Debian David On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, wrote: Hello Debianites, Personally i've grown attached to the Debian way of doing things (cfr. prev. mail) yet am still stuck with a windows-only scanner. I was wondering if anyone can tell me about the possibility to get the Debian/Gnu Linux-style to work on a to-be-installed Lindows system. Lindows itself seems to be a very specific distribution wich requires a complete reinstall. Dunno if re-partitioning is required but i don't want to have to start learning non-Debian Linux configuration. I'll learn that if the need really does require it ;) Regards, Joris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: OT: Language War (Re: C Manual)
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Richard Cobbe wrote: Lo, on Thursday, January 3, William T Wilson did write: Not in the general case, no. std::string *s = new string(foo); std::string *s2 = s; delete s; If we assume a variant of C++ that extends delete to set its argument pointer to NULL, you still have the problem of s2 hanging around. In the general case, it's not so obvious that you've got two pointers to reset. You can always overload new to set its pointer argument to the null pointer value. The allocated memory is released to the free store manager. There is no leak. However, you have the dangling pointer s2, which you must not apply the delete operator to again. This will result in at least a segmenatation fault. For safety's sake, assign 0 to s2, so it will receive the null pointer value. BTW NULL is just the int value 0, it is not a pointer. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: OT: Language War (Re: C Manual)
William, Richard, and all: Stroustrup has said that if you find you have to cast, (much) your design is flawed. --David Teague On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, William T Wilson wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Richard Cobbe wrote: | Casting you can't really get away from nor do you really need to. In fact | the more strongly typed the language is, the more casting you have to do. This statement is incorrect. Agreed. I suppose I will agree as well, I was not meaning to include dynamically typed languages in the original statement, I just didn't say that :} Really it was not a very good statement to make, although in the original context it wasn't so bad :} However, I think that the flexibility of a type system is more important than its `strength' for removing the need for casts. I will go along with that as well. In ML for instance (and other languages as well) there is parametric polymorphism which give you a lot of the flexibility of dynamic typing while still retaining much of the error checking of static typing. This is different from the polymorphism found in C++ in which you can have virtual functions (which still require the programmer to provide all the different implementations) and inheritance (which only permits polymorphism within a very limited set of types). Although I do not know Haskell my understanding is that this is how it works as well. For instance you could have: fun times x y = x * y; You could then apply this function to either reals, ints, or one of each and then it would return the appropriate type. The compiler will trace the execution through the function, deducing which are legal types from the operators and functions used within the function. In this way you do not need to write a separate function for each combination of types your functions might want to operate on, even though ML is a statically typed language. But because the checking is all done at compile-time you do not have much risk of runtime errors due to type problems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: When will Woody be thawed ?
Hi David We installed Potato pre Beta in Jan 2000 I ran it until late last November when we upgraded to Woody pre Beta. Never been sorry. Rock solid I suspect if you are running a server, run Potato. To paraphrase somebody, Potato is out of date, but stable Woody is broken in a few respects but works mostly very well Sid is broken in many respects, but if you file bug reports, the bugs get fixed more quickly, since it isn't frozen. And the bug reports are a service. I suppose you have to decide between up-to-date and reliability. YOu get a lot of each with any Debian choice. --David On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, David Z Maze wrote: penguin1 Penguin writes: P AKA taken out of frozen and put into stable or whatever. P Is it worth waiting for the first Woody proper rather than getting a frozen P Woody right now? Only parts of woody are actually frozen right now. I suspect it will be several months still before we see a stable woody release. I also suspect that most of the problems in woody will be worked out by then; if you want something with a strong promise of working well, I'd wait for woody, but if potato is Just Too Old for you, you might be better off upgrading now. -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/ Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal. -- Abra Mitchell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: OT: Language War (Re: C Manual)
Hi Joyner's article is very old. Has he updated it recently? I didn't care much for Joyner's article either, but I learned a great deal about C++ from reading it. If you want or need to deal with the hardware, then you should use a language that permits this access. If not, then by what ever you hold holy, choose a language that insulates you from the hardware. You choose your advice by choosing your advisor. If you don't believe me, consider asking a Priest about birth control. Eiffel, Java, Ada fill this bill of a language that insulates from the hardware. --David Listen folks, you choose your advice by choosing your advior. On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Eric G. Miller wrote: For a good explanation of how C++ took all the problematic issues of C and added new sources of errors, see http://www.elj.com/cppcv3/. Hah! More like this: For a vivid example of how much free time ivory tower academics have to weep and moan about languages other than their favorite, see http://www.elj.com/cppcv3/; I mean, really. I've read all three editions of this guy whining about C++ (and C) and I don't think I can take it any longer. Be like me, use a language with imperceptible market penetration. I really think Mr. Joyner is my polar opposite. When I think of a computer, I think of an electronic device which will do such-and-such thing if you place value 0x37 at memory offset 0. When Ian Joyner looks at a computer, he wants to represent his model of the universe inside it. The computer and the human are fundametally different things. You'll expend an aweful lot of energy trying to represent human concepts in a computer. By contrast, it is very easy for a human to learn computer concepts. If you ask an Eiffel programmer how to get the value of a byte at a given offset in the computer's memory, they'll start with an explanation about why the programmer shouldn't concern himself with computer memory; memory is in the how domain. From there, they will launch a long lecture that probably won't answer the question but will result in something absurd like class ByteObserver (and its companion, class ByteObserverManager). A C programmer will just say *offset. Anyway, back to A Critique of C++... Mr. Joyner's treatise shouldn't be considered anything other than a finely-ground axe. Many of his specific criticisms start out It is well known... or It hash been shown... without reference to the place where it has been shown or the people to whom it is well known. In one place, he complains that C++ is not suited to concurrent processing (without reference to the tremendous amount of existing concurrent C++ software -- Mozilla is a modern example), but fails to mention that, at the time of his writing, Eiffel lacked support for concurrency altogether! Someday, if I suddenly become a bored academic, I'll write a complete critique of Mr. Joyner's critique. At the current time, I am too busy writing actual software. -jwb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: boot floppy doesn't work
Alvin I have used dd in addtion to the cp command in my message. I always rdev a kernel on floppy to make it know where root is. Swap too, thought I think swap is set on boot up. I have used sys linux, but that is SLOOO booting. Grub is hard for me because it uses strange disk numbering. I can't seem to get it quite right. Lilo == I can just write a boot sector to the first track of a floppy, it reaches into the HD and finds the kernel which it boots. I think Grub is supposed to do that too. I have had a little success wtih Grub, prefer to use LILO. Why won't the dd copy of kernel to floppy work? I'll try again, being particularly careful of all details. --david On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Alvin Oga wrote: hi ya david i don't know if the cp trick will work or not.. or if oyu figured out your dd problems.. ( i havent tried cp ) to make a bootable floppy.. dd if=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.x of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 if you didnt compile that kernel yourself or if / is different than where it expects it .. you tell it where / is rdev /dev/fd0 /dev/hda1 - the above and the way you did your dd should always work.. if not... try a different floppy ... you have to have a 100% clean floppy ( no bad tracks/sectors ) you can also use lilo and grub and syslinux to make boot floppies ( a better boot floppy... esp if you need to fix the disks ... have fun booting.. alvin On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, David Teague wrote: Hi I tried to use the script mkboot that (if run as user, makes a boot disk by dd the kernel to a floppy and then running rdev on the floppy.) Boot floppy made that way esn't work. If I do it barehanded cp kernel /dev/fd0 then rdev to set the root and swap doesn't work either. Please ask me questions if you need more information. I will supply data you ask for. I'm runing Woody, on 350MHz AMD, 390MB RAM. what else do you need? Kernel is the Woody default 2.4 kernel. I'd like a boot floppy that has a kernel on the floppy. Right now I'm using a floppy that has a Lilo track. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
Age 64, retired CS Prof, PhD Math '65, 2 kids in their 30s, married the third time, happy this time, (15 years) musician (double bass) community orch, some attempted solo work. LOTS of cats. Computing began in 1957 with an IBM 650 borrowed for use by students night by Math and Stat Depts from the Dairy Herd Improvement Association at NCState, using SOAP, ForTransIT. I messed wtih fortran and basic over the years, then CS program started here in '78, I moved from math. There were retread CS courses at UTKnoxville in '82 Since them I have been teaching CS courses, and doing large amounts of reading to catch up and stay up. Dept acquired UNIX machines in 86, SysV.2 on 3b2 400s, SysV.4 in '92 on EISA 486 33's, Linux since 93: raw linux, then SLS then Slackware, Debian since 0.93. Ought to be an expert, but I had expert help from some friends, (Jim Bray mostly) and I spend too much time practicing that bass and writing books, reviewing texts and manuscripts on C++ to get really good at Linux, Debian in particular. Without this list and the help from you guys, I'd be less well off here. Thanks. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Where do you RTFM ?
Karsten I LIKE emacs. We were using vi as our only text editor with System V machines in the late 80s. I found and installed Emacs, within one week everyone on my faculty was using emacs. That said, every other point you make here is RIGHT ON. I find info to be arcane, inspite of its keystrokes being emacs like. Html information browsed with a decent TEXT mode browser that is intutive (OK I know one man's intuitive is another's nightmare) browser inteface. OK put the keystrokes at the bottom of the page like Pine or Pico. Karsten's response to Carel is omitted. On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 02:44:17AM +0100, Carel Fellinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 03:07:41PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: ... I ***DESPISE*** info. The pinfo alternative helps somewhat, but the basic concept still sucks. It should be scrapped for a searchable ... YEA! --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re:[2] Advice on upgrading Potato to Sid
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: I would recommend doing the following: insert potato cd follow install to the first reboot reboot when given the choice to install more software do not choose any and simply exit do any required setup insert sid cd and upgrade This way you have a minimum amount of software installed and thus less chance of conflicts, package changes, etc. Consider using 'tasksel' from the package of the same name. Shaleh: I suppose the same thing can be said about updating to Woody? I mean boot the Potata CD run to first reboot, exit ... Say -- what might required setup be? Then insert Woody cd and upgrade? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
boot floppy doesn't work
Hi I tried to use the script mkboot that (if run as user, makes a boot disk by dd the kernel to a floppy and then running rdev on the floppy.) Boot floppy made that way esn't work. If I do it barehanded cp kernel /dev/fd0 then rdev to set the root and swap doesn't work either. Please ask me questions if you need more information. I will supply data you ask for. I'm runing Woody, on 350MHz AMD, 390MB RAM. what else do you need? Kernel is the Woody default 2.4 kernel. I'd like a boot floppy that has a kernel on the floppy. Right now I'm using a floppy that has a Lilo track. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
Re: How to capture start up messages?
Karsten How do I 'boot single'? I managed to miss Brenda's message. Would you send me a string to use to search the archives (once they are posted on debian.org) Finally what FM do I R to find out some of these things. I like to just read the manuals -- when I have time. It's final exam time, and I'm a prof. Just point me, please. David On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:59:37PM -0500, Stan Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I need to be able to capture the start up messages issued when my woody system boots. dmesg only gives me up to the point control is transfered from the kernel, and I'm seeing erros after that, that flash by to quickly to read. How can I do this? Boot single. Then run your init scripts one-at-a-time, by hand. See /etc/init.d/README or Brenda's recent post here for instructions / descriptions of sysv init. The remaining messages that aren't captured are the kernel and device output (e.g.: SCSI initalization) which aren't captured to either dmesg or output by sysv scripts. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Amount of RAM L1 cache on a processor will support
Thanks to Aaron, Nate, dman, and Gary, especially for the web page references. I'll spend some time looking at that before asking again. Your articles were enlightening, but you don't address my question. I know only 256 or 384 K will be in the cache at anyone time. I also know that the tag ram is what determines how much of memory can be cached (paged against with the pages of cache, done EXACTLY like the disk is paged against main memory.) I have spent considerable time pouring over google references and have found Alan Cox's article about the issue of a machine having too little tag ram. I also found articles about the 430 chip set and the tag ram having 8 bits restricting maximum cacheable memory to what? 64MB and 11 bits restricting to some larger number. I was once able to do the necessary computations, but I last taught architecture several years ago. I still have the broad brush strokes of the ideas, but no details. I went to AMDs web site and looked at the documents for the Athlon. They say the chip has 256K of L2 cache. That cache is still on chip, and I prefere to call that L1, and I prefer to call the data stream cache and instruction stream cache just that, instruction cache and data cache. Incidentaily I don't understand how the instruction cache or data cache can be thought of as caching against main memory. According to the diagrams in the article from AMD what they call L1 cache is used to cache data and instructions from the L2 cache which in turn actually caches against main memory. The article says that the L2 cache being on the processor makes the maximum cacheable memory 'non-issue'. I find that hard to believe, unless there is something about the architecture the author isn't saying. The bottom line is that they say exactly zip about the tag ram. How the blazes do I find out how big the cache pages are and how much tag ram the Athlon cache has? Once i know these bits of data I can determine how much RAM the blankety blank thing will cache. The MoBo uses 266 MHz front side bus, and the DDR (double data rate) RAM is 266 MHz (unless there something else I either never knew or have forgotton) That suggests to me that the whole of memory is as fast as some early caches were. I suspect that is colored marketoid too. Oh well, if you know anything else that you can tell me, including where to look please, send email! Again thanks for the assistance. I have several places to look I did not have earlier. This community is the greatest. --David [On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Aaron Traas wrote: I don't know how to answer the question you asked, but there is something you need to consider. Assuming you have an Athlon of the Thunderbird core or later, you have: 128K of L1 cache 256K of L2 cache Most CPU's use an inclusive cache mechanism. What this means is that all data stored in the L1 cache is also mirrored in L2. This makes it easier to do a fetch; when data is fetched into cache, it is placed into L2. When a smaller subset is requested, it goes from L2 into L1, leaving a copy in L2. With the Thunderbird core, AMD switched over to using an exclusive cache mechanism. I.E., the data in L1 is NOT mirrored in L2. Thus, you have 384K of usable cache, and the differentiation of L1 and L2 is just for speed. Things get swapped between L1 and L2 as needed, but you really have 384K of cache to work with. That gives you more cacheable mem than you would with an inclusive system. Now, with a mere 512MB of RAM on a very modern system, you should be fine. Most modern systems can handle 1GB without having caching problems. There are some speed issues to worry about, however; Most larger DIMMs are slower than smaller DIMMs. For instance, most 512MB DIMMs are registered, which is slower than unbuffered. Most 512MB DIMMs have a CAS latency of 3 (CAS = Column Access Strobe), while many smaller DIMMs are rated at CAS 2. There are also signal integrigty issues with having 3 or more double-sided DIMMs on the same Mobo (case in point, the nForce chipset goes into SuperStability Mode if there is a double-sided DIMM in the third slot, which turns down performance a great deal to keep from becoming unstable.) I'm sorry if this answer was more than you bargained for, but I'm known among friends for not being able to give simple answers :) --Aaron David Teague wrote: If you put more RAM in a computer system than the caching system will suppport, the system will run more slowly than it would with less RAM. IF I understand correctly, the amount of RAM depends on the amount of tag RAM. I have 512 MB on my Abit MoBo with a 1GHz Athlon. How do I determine how much RAM the L1 cache in a 1GHz Athlon will support? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above
Amount of RAM L1 cache on a processor will support
If you put more RAM in a computer system than the caching system will suppport, the system will run more slowly than it would with less RAM. IF I understand correctly, the amount of RAM depends on the amount of tag RAM. I have 512 MB on my Abit MoBo with a 1GHz Athlon. How do I determine how much RAM the L1 cache in a 1GHz Athlon will support? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Audigy Drivers
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, csj wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Side note: I just spent days figuring out you have to compile the thing into the kernel. I had thought it was an entirely user space program.) Hi Has anyone had any success with making the Audigy card work with Linux? The alsa-project web site says the card isn't yet supported. To shorten a long story, at no increase in cost, I was sent the Audigy (with a new machine) instead of the SB live-platinum that I ordered. I want to use it under Linux. I prefer Linux, and have Woody with a late 2.4 kernel. Any further information anyone can send will be helpful, and if you wish I will share my successes. Meanwhile I can use it under (agh) Win2000. It works there, so it CAN be made to work. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
Re: How can i install woody?
Hi Stan What they told me is: If you have trouble with Woody floppies (oxymoron?) use Potato install floppies, install enought to use apt, the follow the apt sequence of commands for upgrading then use dselect to install what you like. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.) On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Stan Brown wrote: I have a new machine, on which I wish to isntall woody. What's the best way to do this? I have fast network conectivity, and for potato systems in the past, I have just downloaded the boot, root, and driver floppies, and done an install via ntework. But I don't believe there are any install floppies yet for woody, right? -- Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] 843-745-3154 Charleston SC. -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - (c) 2000 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UPS software
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking at purchasing a UPS and trying to decide between APC and Best (Invensys). snip So basically I am after some advice regarding the experiences of others. I will probably get a 750VA unit for my home server and would prefer to have access to source code even if the program is not as flash. Any recommendations / experiences welcome. Regards. Mark. Hi Mark and others: After having bought APC for years, I just bought a CyberPower U_S I got it from Tiger, but I tlked to cyberpower first. Nice folks, they told me about a web site where Linux software is availible in source and binaries. It was inexpensive I paid less than $300 including tax and shipping for a 1250VA UPS with automatic voltage regulation and surge suppression, and it holds three machines for 10 to 15 minutes on power fail, so it has enough battery capacity. I have no connection in any way with them other than having bought their product. Information URL: www.cyberpowersystems.com/faqs.htm David On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Daniel Freedman wrote: Mark, I have a APC SmartUPS 1000Net and 1250 and both have served me very well. While APC used to not release any drivers (actually more like software than kernel drivers) for linux, they now not only release software, they do so (for much of it at least) under the GPL. Please see: http://www.apcc.com/go/machine/partners/open_source.cfm (They're even kind enough not to make you register... They say: Download requires registration. If you are not comfortable registering to download the...source code, enter user id: opensource and password: opensource on the subsequent login page.) Also here's their main powerchute software (don't run it, try debian package 'nut' instead, so I don't know how redhat specific it is, although this version must be easier than the specific RPM one.): ftp://ftp.apcftp.com/software/unix/linux/pcplus/453/pcplus_453_redhat.tar If that ftp doesn't work, try the main link to this software: http://www.apc.com/tools/download/sw_kit.cfm?sku=sdw64 I don't know anything about Best to recommend for or against, but as far as where to get very good quality refurbished UPS's (with NEW batteries), I've had great success with PEI at www.4ups.net (they're also at 4ups.com, but that website is more annoying). Standard Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with PEI in any way. Hope this helps and take care, Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: nvidia drivers kernel 2.4.14
Hi Ijust bought a 32MB nVidia TNT 2 card, and I run Woody with a fairly late 2.4 kernel. Am I going to have trouble? Xfree claims to support this card in X 4.0 Am I in for it, as Mother used to say? Am I smoking somethin'? Or should I be? David On 15 Nov 2001, Kyle Girard wrote: On Thu, 2001-11-15 at 13:18, Sean wrote: I'm currently using the 2.4.15pre4 source from kernel.org, but this also worked with 2.4.14 (also from kernel.org). All I did to get my nvidia kernel module to work was: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-src cd /usr/src/linux make-kpkg modules_image This created a /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-kernel version_1.0.1541 deb, which I then installed via dpkg -i. after that I did a depmod -a, and modprobe NVdriver I used gcc 2.95.4 this time and got a little farther module compiles/inserts fine but now when I try and start X I get the following message (==) NVIDIA(0): Write-combining range (0xe300,0x100) (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to allocate LUT context DMA (EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting *** My roomate who's running an almost identical machine except with a geforce 2 doesn't have any problems... Anyone have any ideas? I'm thinking about submitting a bug to nvidia On a side note, I am not using gcc-3.0.2, but rather 2.95.4. The few times I've tried to use the gcc-3.0 compiler to compile the kernel I was left with very unstable kernels. So perhaps that could be part of your problem. Also don't forget to install the nvidia-glx package. Sean On Thu, 2001-11-15 at 12:47, Kyle Girard wrote: Which 2.4.14 is it that you are using? The source direct from kernel.org? or the Debian package? (I'm using direct from kernel.org) Here's my info: Debian (sid) 2.4.14 -- from .deb Xfree86 4.1.0 Nvidia TNT gcc 3.0.2 I can get the module to compile... but I get unresolved symbols if I use the includes from /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.14/include instead of headers from /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.14/include What are you gcc are you using? kyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- GPG Public Key available: http://nimh.freeshell.org/gpg_key.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: UPS software
Mark a quick correction on the price of hteCyberposer UPS I mentioned in an earlier message I paid about $190, considerably less than I said.Sorry. David On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking at purchasing a UPS and trying to decide between APC and Best (Invensys). Best apparently used to release their source code for their unix driver - which is a big plus. But this is no longer the case. Best provides binary versions of drivers for linux which is good. Apparently APC doesn't provide drivers for linux - but there are reverse engineered ones (with source code). So basically I am after some advice regarding the experiences of others. I will probably get a 750VA unit for my home server and would prefer to have access to source code even if the program is not as flash. Any recommendations / experiences welcome. Regards. Mark. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: HELPME
Hi Esteban I have a couple of systems that sound like yours. 486 66 with Adaptec Scsi and some 1/2 Gig drives. On motherboards of this vintage, if you have any ide drives installed and the bios setup knows about them, they want to boot. If you are fortunate, you bios is smarter than mine. See if th BIOS set up wants to boot from SCSI or IDE. If it doesn't let you choose then you can't have IDE and boot from SCSI, because it will want to boot from IDE. Once you have the BIOS setup expecting to boot vrom scsi, then you have to talk to your scsi card setup. I use ADAPTEC cards, so my remarks are from that perspective. There is a keystroke that enables the software on my card. Yours may have a disk or software in ROM with a keystroke to activate. Some SCSI cards have boot bios some do not. Those that do not will not boot from SCSI regardless of what you do. Those that do have a boot BIOS can be told to boot from scsi, some of them can be told to boot from a particular scsi id. Others boot only from SCSI ID 0. What you say suggests that your card might be expecting a drive id of 5,and you don't have it. I could be all wet, but read your documents for your scsi card, and drive see if any of these remarks make sense. All standard disclaimers apply. Your mileage may vary. May contain traces of peanuts, garlic, or jalapino peppers. Guaranteed no walnuts. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.) On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, esteban alcaraz wrote: hello mr. I have a ncr system 3350 486 dx2 66 mhz, computer with, a hard disk of 212 megas, conner, cp 30200. when i start it shows the next message: NO SCSI DEVICE DETECTED SLOT 5. i have already checked two jumpers from hard disk and i also checked the connectors for the hard disk but i found nothing. i changed the hard disk for a quantum lps 105s and it shows the same message before mentioned it. i want that the computer recognizes the hard disk, how can i do? thank you very much. any information will be a great help for me. atte: andres -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lyx broken in Woody
Hi My system has recently installed Woody pre-beta on a 10 G IDE disk, 392 MB RAM, 350 K6-2 and a Windows 98 2nd on the other partition. I'm runing K6=2 optimized Woody from a CD snapshot. My desktop is Gnome 1.4 and the window manager is Enlightenment 0.16.5 2000/07/28 (Aside, and a plug for a helpful outfit: I recently upgraded from Potato pre-beta 2.2 (circa jan 1999) -- to Woody Pre Beta 3.? using CDs The CDs are from linux-cd.com. I've been happy with their service. The details of the upgrade form the subject of another message. Right now I have a question about LyX.) Lyx (version 1.1.6 fix 3 of Fri July 24 2001 starts with the folloing messages. Frodo$ lyx LyX: Unknown tag `\latex_command' [around line 6 of file ~/.lyx/lyxrc.defaults] LyX: Unknown tag `\relyx_command' [around line 7 of file ~/.lyx/lyxrc.defaults] LyX: Unknown tag `\literate_command' [around line 8 of file ~/.lyx/lyxrc.defaults] LyX: Unknown tag `\literate_extension' [around line 9 of file ~/.lyx/lyxrc.defaults] LyX: Unknown tag `\view_ps_command' [around line 11 of file ~/.lyx/lyxrc.defaults] LyX: Unknown tag `\view_pspic_command' [around line 12 of file ~/.lyx/lyxrc.defaults] LyX: Unknown tag `\fax_command' [around line 16 of file ~/.lyx/lyxrc.defaults] LyX: Unknown tag `\html_command' [around line 17 of file ~/.lyx/lyxrc.defaults] bash-2.05$ Once LyX starts it presents no mechanism to import anything. dpkg --configure lyx says lyx is already installed and configured. I use LyX to prepare my lecture notes for my classes, and this upgrade has made that impossible at home. Can someone help me fix this? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Lyx broken in Woody
Marc Removing ~/.lyx Worked like a charm! LyX appears to work and offer import and export that it did not before. Marc, where did you see the warning that I might need to remove this file? I need to be aware of where to look for this sort of thing. David On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 08:31:10AM -0500, David Teague wrote: Lyx (version 1.1.6 fix 3 of Fri July 24 2001 starts with the folloing messages. deleted I use LyX to prepare my lecture notes for my classes, and this upgrade has made that impossible at home. Remove your ~/.lyx directory. The package maintainer has stated that this may be necessary due to changes in the software. -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Best choice for video card
I asked: Would some kind soul please tell me which video card to put in my new machine (which is still in the planning) that will Debian Woody and Gnome X out of the box? On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Patrick McFarland wrote: It isnt up to the distro or desktop enviroment to what video card you choice. Its up to the windowing manager. I presonally recommend an ati raedon or raedon 8500, or any recent matrox card (450+ or 550). Nvidia likes to make their own versions of software often making it incompatible with most setups. This includes their own personal gl library. Many thanks, that's a piece I clearly need. I'm running Enlightenment with Gnome 1.4. Can someone advise me further? Nate suggests that the nvidia works if you compile your own kernel, and that the Matrox G400 and voodoo 3000/3500 are quite stable. Anyone else care to help? Thanks --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Best choice for video card
Hi Would some kind soul please tell me which video card to put in my new machine (which is still in the planning) that will Debian Woody and Gnome X out of the box? Some seem to have trouble with NVIDIA, but my technician wants to use an nvidia TNT 2 32 MB AGP video card. Someone help an old fella? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope the answer to this is all of the above.)
Re: debian 2.2 + kernel 2.2.18 + USB
On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Davi Leal wrote: I have debian 2.2 installed on my host. I have downloaded the kernel.2.2.18.tar.gz and I have compiled it with USB support so as to use my USB modem on Linux. But the '/sbin/hotplug' does not appear. Maybe, is there a .deb file which I could download and install directly which keeps all the scripts and tools what I need to set up USB support on my host?. Davi and others: I'm interested in the 250 MB ZIP USB that I acquired and use under Windows, but want to access it under Linux. I know about adding USB support to the kernel, but else must I do? Would someone point me to the right place to find how make this device work with Potato. RTFM is ok, if the right manual and where to find the manual are given. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Unidentified subject!
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Gerald Klein wrote: unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Gerald I'm sorry you are leaving Debian User. I wish you luck in your pursuits. This message may get you unsubscribed, but if it does not, please point your browser to www.debian.org, and look on the left hand side of the page, scroll down to Support, then click on mailing list subscription. There you can with one or two clicks unsubscribe from this list. Again, sorry to see you go, and best of luck. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: apt: http vs. ftp?
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Ray Percival wrote: That would be backwards ftp is faster but sometimes it is easier to get http through a proxy and with some proxies it would be possible that http might be faster. Er, no it isn't. http is faster and better in all cases where there is not a proxy involved. Jason Hi Jason, Willy and Ray I am not a networking authority, so I asked a colleague (Mark Holliday) who is. He says http is optimized for relatively small files, mainly web pages, which are not terribly large, (what? 2 or 3 K?) whereas ftp was designed to be optimal files that may be very large. I'd appreciate hearing more on this from others. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: apt: http vs. ftp?
Hi Jason I never pretended to know anything, but I find your response amusing, and your discussion and that of others enlightening. I suspected that ftp might not be faster, but did not know why. Nathan Norman suggests that HTTP 1.1 has enhancements that make it faster than ftp, hence apt uses it in preference to ftp. I still would like more discussion of this issue, some reasons why, etc. Mostly for my enlightenment. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, David Teague wrote: I am not a networking authority, so I asked a colleague xxx who is. He says http is optimized for relatively small files, mainly web pages, which are not terribly large, (what? 2 or 3 K?) whereas ftp was designed to be optimal files that may be very large. Ask him how you optimize a protocol for file size and when he fails to explain that then you know the truth : Jason
Re: UNIX help
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Alex Horsnell wrote: snip Does anyone out there have any prefered methods/books on learning UNIX? Alex I (think I) recall that Linus used two books, Bach's The Design of the Unix Operating System and Sobel's Hand's on Unix -- Sobel, Hands on Linux is for Linux what Hands On Unix was, and I think is pretty good. There are MANY web resources. Do a web search. Lots of luck, ==David --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: WARNING - Virus infected messages on list
From: Vijay Prabakaran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: WARNING - Virus infected messages on list Yes. Good point. What are people using M$ apps on Windoze doing on this list anyway. Vijay, Occasionally my Linux box will be down when my Windoze box is up, and I MUST ask questions on this list using my wife's machine. However, the suggestion that we use Eudora is probably the correct thing for any of us that are required use Lose 9x to do. Is that still free? I remember a freeware 16 bit version I used with MS Lose 3.1. Is it still available? I hearby propose that the list automatically reject all postings that appear to have been sent using MS Outlook. this way this garbage won't happen each and every time ya new Outlook worm comes out. to subscribers forced to use win* for mail please switch to a real MUA that has been designed with just a pinch of clue, say Eudora. /me is VERY tempted to write a procmail rule to scan for X-Mailer: MS Outhouse and file it all into /dev/null. Dumping mail from an MS Outhouse pseudo-mailer in the cess pool is your perogative. Those of you who would ban M$ mailer software must realize that there are people whose job requires them to use this crappy (MS Outhouse) software, and who are prevented by company policy from installing software. I'm not comfortable with a Member's Only mentality, even if it is a M$ users need not apply attitude. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
Re: WARNING - Virus infected messages on list
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Ethan Benson wrote: On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 11:27:46PM -0800, Vijay Prabakaran wrote: Well I guess some people just have to use windoze. So but they DON'T have to use Outlook, if its a corporate mandate you probably shouldn't even be using corporate mail services for personal mail anyway, doing so will likely get your a** kicked by the company. MIS managers have a LOT of power. They frequently prohibit installation of any software by users. AND they are NOT always prohibited from use of the company systems to mail this list. Let's not be quite so tough on them. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: .deb
On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Glyn Millington wrote: On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 09:40:09PM -0800, thus spake Sathish C: Hi All I have Red Hat linux on my M/C. Can any body tell me how I can open *.deb files? Install Debian? Glyn This may be a flip answer, but Debian is much superior to Red Hat. Some of the rest of the boys and girls on this list can supply you with reasons, but go to www.debian.org, and search the debian-user mailing list with the search engine for Red and read the comparisons they provide. My own reason for Debian is the rational way it is designed, and my reason for staying is this mailing list where anyone can get a good answer to nearly any question at nearly any level, if asked the least bit politely and with enough information so the question can be answered. To try to answer your question; a .deb is just an ar (ar(chive)) file. try man ar Then ar -t file.deb to see the contents, which is pretty uninformative. I did this to for a pilot .deb file (part of pine) which has debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz which appears to me to be the same for all .deb files. The debian-binary file has the version number. This file I got above has 2.0 in it, but the a current stable version is 2.2 The control file is the installation scripts, post installation (intialization scripts) removal scripts etc. The data.tar.gz is exactly what it sounds like. elentari:~/files/pine[3]tar ztvf data.tar.gz drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-10-28 11:47 ./ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-10-28 11:47 ./usr/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-10-28 11:47 ./usr/bin/ -rwxr-xr-x root/root196180 1999-10-28 11:47 ./usr/bin/pilot drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-10-28 11:47 ./usr/man/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-10-28 11:47 ./usr/man/man1/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 1531 1999-10-12 14:29 ./usr/man/man1/pilot.1.gz drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-10-28 11:47 ./usr/doc/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-10-28 11:47 ./usr/doc/pilot/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 3252 1999-10-28 11:47 ./usr/doc/pilot/copyright -rw-r--r-- root/root 3972 1999-10-28 11:45 ./usr/doc/pilot/changelog.Debian.gz elentari:~/files/pine[3] This is just the files used in the installation. I don't think they will be useful for any by-hand installation since there are things the files from control do during installation that make many packages work. Hope this helps --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
XFree 4.0 .deb from woody on a potato system??? (fwd)
Joey Hess wrote in the Debian Weekly News for November 07th, 2000: XFree86 4.0.1 has [1]entered unstable. [snip] The result is a surprisingly polished upgrade (by unstable's standards anyway -- [2] many problems are still being encountered). In short, my question is Can I use the XFree86 4.0.1 debian package from Woody to upgrade X on my (pure) Potato K6 system with an 8 MB SiS 6326 video card? My interest is support for accelleration. My system -- runs Potato (from a Dec 30 1999 snapshot CD). My hardware is a Tiger System with an AMD K6-2 350MHz processor on a 100 MHz motherboard, and 128 MB Ram. My video card is an SiS 6326. I am still using the XFree86 3.3 server only works with the accelleration features of this card turned off. XFree86 web site says that XFree86 4.0 with their sis driver supports this card's accelleration features. The question, again: Can I use the XFree86 4.0.1 debian package from Woody to upgrade X on my Potato K6 system and get support for the accelleration provided by the SiS 6326 card? Or am I asking for trouble by installing a Woody package on an otherwise pure Potato system? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
XFree 4.0 .deb from woody on a potato system???
Joey Hess wrote in the Debian Weekly News for November 07th, 2000: XFree86 4.0.1 has [1]entered unstable. [snip] The result is a surprisingly polished upgrade (by unstable's standards anyway -- [2] many problems are still being encountered). In short, my question is Can I use the XFree86 4.0.1 debian package from Woody to upgrade X on my (pure) Potato K6 system with an 8 MB SiS 6326 video card? My interest is support for accelleration. My system -- runs Potato (from a Dec 30 1999 snapshot CD). My hardware is a Tiger System with an AMD K6-2 350MHz processor on a 100 MHz motherboard, and 128 MB Ram. My video card is an SiS 6326. I am still using the XFree86 3.3 server only works with the accelleration features of this card turned off. XFree86 web site says that XFree86 4.0 with their sis driver supports this card's accelleration features. The question, again: Can I use the XFree86 4.0.1 debian package from Woody to upgrade X on my Potato K6 system and get support for the accelleration provided by the SiS 6326 card? Or am I asking for trouble by installing a Woody package on an otherwise pure Potato system? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
Re: Compiling kernels
On 6 Nov 2000, David Z. Maze wrote: Timo Benk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: TB Hi, TB On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Matthew Sackman wrote: MS The problem is that my kernels refuse to install. I have [snip -- non-deb kernel compile sequence -- ] David M. answers: It's far easier and cleaner to install the Debian kernel-package package, untar the kernel source tarball, configure it with your favorite variant on 'make config', and then run 'make-kpkg buildpackage' to build Debian source, headers, documentation, and kernel image packages from the source tree. Installing the image package will prompt you to run lilo. If you decide you want a new/different/better kernel, you can just install a different package. If you decide you don't want the one you've installed, you can remove it as you would any other Debian package. Having got good answers here to other less-than-knowledgable questions before, I proceed to ask a horribly newbie question: You say that installing the kernel package will ... prompt you to run lilo... Do I assume correctly: I have to modify /etc/lilo.conf, that is, the installation does not do this for me? (It has been a while since I built a kernel.) --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: New user rant..urr, questions.
Hi Sy Many thanks for your detailed response. You asK Question for you, if I may: I am using an x86 system. If Debian ended up being my sole OS, are there advantages to switching to another hardware platform? Does Debian run better on other platforms? (all else being equal - like hardware expense, availability, speeds c.) Thanks for your time.. btw, if you intended this conversation to be in the mailing list.. feel free to CC it. I know Debian has distributions for Alpha, Sparc, M68000, PowerPC, and other platforms as well. You can find what is avaliable by looking on the web site, www.debian.org. I cannot tell you which is better, but I suspect that the x86 version is going to be a little more stable, only because it seems to have been around longer. Would someone on the list respond to this question? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.) On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, sysy wrote: I think you will like Debian, but please, please have patience. --+ That I will. I have tendancy to be manic about software, either unreasonably picky, or not focused enough to fix problems for myself.. and giving up too early. These habits are soon to change. (enter Debian) Debian gets a bad rap for being hard to install. I am not very good at installation, and I got it up on my own, with the definitely difficult dselect and dpkg. You will be using apt, a distinctly superior breed of installation software. --+ If it's difficult to install, then I'll be the one to write and maintain the installation FAQ. Read carefully and completely the release notes and experiences -- OH there are mailing list archives available on the Debian web site www.debian.org. You have to look. It has a search engine that I think you can use to locate stuff. I have not used the search engine yet as it was set up fairly recently. I hope someone will give you some specific references to his/her experiences, and encouragement. I assure you, your documentation of your experiences will be welcomed by me, and others here on Debian-User. --+ My intention is to approach this project in a more constructive manner than I've used in the past. My experiences with early computing right up to recent history have been frought with problems that could easily have earned me millions in sci-fi publications. =) I want to leave a trail of documentation for others to review and learn from and affect the core of the OS. Ultimately, if I decide I want to settle down with Debian as my new baby, I will be throwing everything else (except DOS on a palmtop, but maybe even that) to the wind and dedicating some fuel to the fire. --+ I also intend to sit back and do information gathering before I wade into things. Examples: I have been researching palmtops for over a year (and not researching lightly at that). I waded into the Amiga and Amiga emulation (and concluded that the platform is dead until sweeping changes in the comp. industry are made).. anyhow, I do intend to learn before acting, but if Debian's documentation for newbies is lacking that much, I might just step in and install, taking newbie notes along the way.. then posting a faq to help others out and influence the code for the installation routine. You experiences sound like my motly experience, excepting you replace the C64 with and Apple 2 and add several mainframe and mini computers to the mix, along with ATT 3b2s with System V.2, A 386 with a Interactive's 386ix System V.4 port to the i386, and System V.4 on a couple of Gateway EISA 486 machines here in the computer science department. As soon as Linux was available and sufficiently stable, we put SLS 1.01 on those machines, then Slackware, then Debian 0.93. We haven't looked back. In place upgrade is the way to go. I still am not very good at keeping the box running. I have had the good fortune of having student system administrators who seem to always come out of the woodwork, to be extremely good, so I have been able to concentrate on teaching and my one hobby, music. I maintain my own Debian systems at home, but I tend to install and use a version until I need something that only a later version provides. I have been running 2.2 (potato) since the first of the year when it was supposed to be unstable. It wasn't at all unstable. I program development in support of my teaching and text book writing. I have not lost data on a linux system due to a software crash, neither operating system crash, nor a failure of free software, since the early Debian 0.93 days. I have lost some data due to hard disk failure, but that happens with any operating sytem. --+ I have hope for Debian, but at this point I lack enough information to have your faith. Because I lack so many
Re: mv -i doesn't work?
On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Krzys Majewski wrote: Anybody else have this problem? /bin/mv -i and /bin/mv --interactive do not prompt before moving. From the stable fileutils. -chris Chris mv -i is not interatctive, rather it is query before overwrite. Exerpt from man mv: mv - move (rename) files SYNOPSIS mv [OPTION]... SOURCE DEST mv [OPTION]... SOURCE... DIRECTORY DESCRIPTION Rename SOURCE to DEST, or move SOURCE(s) to DIRECTORY. [snip] -i, --interactive prompt before overwrite [snip] --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: GPL and software I have written
Eric, and Brooks I don't have Brooks' original post, so I'm replying to you and to the list in hopes he will see it. On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Eric G . Miller wrote: On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 09:17:13AM -0600, Brooks R. Robinson wrote: Greetings! I have a dilemma, and I expect this to end in a flame war, but here goes... I am a computer science student, and I also work as a system administrator. For one of my classes, I have written an e-commerce package. It is written in C using GCC, it uses Mini-SQL, and runs on Apache as a CGI program. My employer has expressed interest it this particular piece of software (my e-commerce package). I have issues with my employer that cause me to not want to merely hand over my work. Brooks: Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and this is NOT legal advice. See a lawyer before acting on this suggestion. The title to the software may be in question. The issue is what your contract with your employer says, and whether you used any of his resources (computer, network access etc) to develop the software. If your contract says so, he owns what ever you did at work. If you used his resources, he may have an interest. Since I am not modifying any existing software, I am creating new software, I can charge for the new software. This could be a license fee or something. Since your work isn't an extension of another work covered by the GPL, the GPL shouldn't apply, necessarily, but your employer may still have an interest in it. See a lawyer for real legal advice, which this isn't. Eric writes: You can't GPL it and charge for the *GPL* version. However, as you're the sole author, you could LICENSE the code for a fee and release old versions under GPL for free (which others could do whatever they want with except sell or re-license). Always put your Copyright on every code file. I think you are in error about being unable to charge for code distributed under the GPL. Reread the GPL. I believe that, in fact, you can charge whatever the market will bear for code distributed under the GPL. Commercial Linux distributors such as Red Hat, Corell, Storm, and Caldera do it all the time. However, if you sell a program subject to the GPL, you must also supply source at a cost no greater than your cost of duplication. Further, you cannot prevent your customer from making derived works. You cannot restrict further redistribution of binaries and source. The recipient must also obey the GPL requirements in any redistribution. snip I again disclaim any intention to give legal advice. This isn't legal advice, and I don't practice law. It is my humble interpretation of the GPL. Your mileage may vary. Don't drive or operate heavy machinery after using. This is not intended to diagnose, treat or cure any disease. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
Re: LI at boot after making \boot reiserfs
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Ethan Benson wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 07:33:22PM +1100, Brian May wrote: Ethan == Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ethan LILO is not compatible with reiserfs, either make /boot Ethan ext2 again or use GNU grub instead. [snip] I am a bit confused - why is lilo incompatible with reiserfs? I thought all lilo did was mark a list of blocks where the kernel resides, and that this should work regardless of file system... [snip] I don't doubt that LILO is incompatible with reiserfs, but I can't find anything in the LILO 21-4 Manual that suggest that LILO isn't compatible with any specific file system. Would someone please give me a reference on the reiserfs? That is a new fs on me. What advantage does it have over e2fs? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
RE: OT: Cross-platform document format?
On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Ingles, Raymond wrote: RTF is open enough. I know that WP and OpenOffice and the rest can read it, and there's a native-RTF editor for Linux, too. Plus, Word can be convinced to save as RTF, though of course it hates being prevented from tripling the file size with binary DOC stuff. Ray What is the native-RTF editor for Linux? Is there a Debian package for it? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
A conio for Borland C under Linux
Dan I promised to try to find Linux conio for Borland. I found it in my archives. It is a 1996 reimplementation of conio for Linux, for Borland C of that date, but you might be able to make it work. If you do, please send me your hacks, or let me know if it does work for you. It is redistributable under gpl2. It isn't a debian package. It is a gzipped tar file that extracts ok. CAVEATS: I have NOT tried to use this and I have NOT compiled it. (Not recently enough that I remember it, anyways.) Lots of luck with this. David On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Dan Pomohaci wrote: Do you know if there are C libraries who mimic Borland Turbo C specific libraries (conio, etc.) in Linux (a Debian package will be better :-). At school my daughter use Borland C and I don't want to install Windows on my computer only for that. Beside emacs is a better tools for programming than Borland IDE :-) Thanks, Dan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.) linux-conio.tgz Description: GNU Unix tar archive
Re: OT: is there a decent threaded mail reader...
On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Mike wrote: Walter Tautz wrote: i'd really like to be able to read this marvelous list without having to scroll through the listings looking for followups...perhaps pine can do this which is what I use now. I don't know if pine can do this - I used to use pine, and often wished for just that feature. I'm currently using mutt, which does do threading. I'd say mutt is at least worth taking a look at. Mike, and Walter (whom I hope is reading this thread) I don't know about *threading* but if you want to read in seqeunce you have your messages sorted exactly messages with some substring in the subject line, then this pine command sequence in the index screen should do it. ; t s substring z ; for select messages t for text criterion s for subject substring desired z to zoom on selected messages This may not be threading, but it serves my purposes. It is in some sense more flexible since besides the subject, you can select on status (new, read, etc) strings in the to, from, or search the messages Hope this helps --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: I forgotten my root's password
Rogelio I had this problem I downloaded toms boot/root disk used C-A-D to reboot with that in the floppy drive (it was set to boot floppy first, you may need to change bios settings) then edited the root password file to remove the root password, saved it and rebooted. root has no password. Be SURE you set it again. If your machine is set to ignore control alt delete, I guess you could just turn the power off, while I hate to do that, I have not had a problem with a system that isn't being used much. Is there a better solution? David On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Rogelio E. Castillo Haro wrote: Yes, I'm stupid... I forgotten my root password. how can I boot my linux box and reset such password... I create a rescue disk, boot I cand find the way... An I try to boot with linux single but it ask me for the root password :( TIA Rogelio -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Linux programming book
Mike There is a review of Linux Programming Bible by John Goerzen, from IDE press in the new Linux Journal. Ben Crowder liked the book. --David On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Cantoni, Mike wrote: I am looking for a book on Linux Programming. Does anyone have a preference between Linux Application Development or Beginning Linux Programming or something else. Thanks in advance -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Staroffice on Debian Potato
Hi Rino RIGHT. My coauthor and I have had pure hell because the latest Mac MS Word doesn't translate Word from Office 97 .doc files with tracked changes correctly. With MS it is not just non-interoperabilty with other operating systems, they don't even work well with themselves. --David On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Rino Mardo wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 07:50:24PM +0200 or thereabouts, I. Tura wrote: It can happen that the guilty one is M$ Word. I've heard from a reliable person that even Word 97 can convert in a bad manner another Word document from another Word 97 program. your hearing is fine. even a WinCE device can't find an NT DHCP server sitting next to it! -- Who's watching the watchmen? ICQ: 15096825 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Staroffice on Debian Potato
On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Art Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been using Star office 5.2 inside potato and have had no difficulty with Word95, word97 or word2000 files. That is, I can either read foreign files or write my own and have them read by M$. Even forms, finally, work reasonably well. You do have to turn off the design mode. [snip] Art, and Denizens of Debian List Land, I need to save the tracked changes as a word file. SO 5.1 won't do this. When I enabled tracking of changes with SW 5.1, then saved as a Word 7 file, the tracking was not saved to the Word 7 format file. SO wrote the modified files with the tracked changes in effect, as quite usable Word .doc files but with no change tracking. Can someone tell me if StarWriter 5.2 saves change tracking information to Word files? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
Certification
To the list, on behalf of one of my students: Who can tell us something about certification for Linux maintenance? We are aware of Red Hat's effort in this, but are looking for something that is a bit more generic than that. I'd _love_ to have something that is based on Debian. Stormix seems to be the real commercial Debian (poor Corel), but Stormix doesn't mention certification on their web site. Here's hoping someone can steer us to information. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
Need a project, or documentation to write
Hi Debian Users Perhaps this isn't the right forum for this query, but someone, please, steer me to the proper place to get this information. I have a couple of students who are quite good who need a project that will be of service to the Linux community, and that can be completed in a semester. This may be tough to find ;) There has been an appeal for people to write documentation, and some for project programmers. Maybe one of these chaps can help. I think they can put 7 to 10 hours a week on this starting soon and running maybe 10 to 12 weeks. Their work will be graded by our faculty on technical content, completeness, clarity, usage, and grammar. Please let me hear from you, even if it is telling me to get lost;) --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prof Computer Science, Retired Western Carolina Univerity Use Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
What are MUA, MTA, MDA? (Was Re: Linux Mail Client)
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, John Pearson wrote: [snip] I differentiate between MUAs, MDAs, and MTAs; examples are: MUA: mutt MDA: procmail MTA: exim John, 1) What do MTA, MUA, MDA stand for? I know that mutt is a mailer, not unlike exim and smail, but has other functionality. procmail filters mail, but what else? exim seems to be a drop in for smail and sendmail, so has similar functionality. 2) What are the words for these acronyms? I have a bit of the answer: MTA is probably Mail Transport Agent (guess). MDA is Mail Delivery Agent. (from procmail man page, I can guess it delivers mail) man mutt doesn't tell much and there no exim man page on my system. What is MUA? 3) What is the function of these? 4) Where would I look this up? What is TFM I should R? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
OFF TOPIC: oxymoron, was Re: Hardware Modems
Cliff You present a correct definition for rhetoric, but my use was not as a classical rhetorical device. The etymology I presented is correct. Military intelligence is often called an oxymoron. If you have been in the military, if you have seen the way they (indeed the way most rigid bureaucracies work) you will inderstand that military intelligence is indeed an oxymoron, in the root sense of moronic brilliance. Besides, intelligence as used here is an inflation of words; intelligence is used to mean information. Existence of an object does not prevent the words used to describe it from being an oxymoron. Indeed Giant Shrimp exist, but that certainly does not mean that the two words don't contradict each other and in the root sense. Giant shrimp is indeed an oxymoron. While I enjoy this, many won't and it is really off topic, so I encourage you to continue this by private email. David On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Cliff Wise wrote: An oxymoron is an element in classical rhetoric in which opposites are combined to sharpen a point, not to contradiuct it. An example would be *His empassioned plea was met by thunderous silence*. Giant shrimp probably exist as does the oft quoted non-oxymoron military intelligence. - Original Message - From: David Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Hardware Modems On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [about hardware modems that don't work under linux and why.] Romeu: Well /explitive censored/ That is just awful. My 33.6 Modem says I get 66K throughput when compression is ineffect too. You ask what is an oxymoron a self contradiction. Oxy means sharp, in german, oxygen is 'sour stuff (approximately) or sharp stuff. And moron means dull or blunt. so an oxymoron is 'sharp-dull' or a self contradiction. Giant Shrimp for example. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Hardware Modems
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [about hardware modems that don't work under linux and why.] Romeu: Well /explitive censored/ That is just awful. My 33.6 Modem says I get 66K throughput when compression is ineffect too. You ask what is an oxymoron a self contradiction. Oxy means sharp, in german, oxygen is 'sour stuff (approximately) or sharp stuff. And moron means dull or blunt. so an oxymoron is 'sharp-dull' or a self contradiction. Giant Shrimp for example. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Hardware Modems
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're making hardware modems that DON'T work under Linux. What do you mean? Does anyone know what this is about? I know about WinModems, all winmodems are certainly hardware modems, but different from the ones that have intelligence left in, that don't off load the work to the CPU to save fifty cents in chips, and don't require a propriatary driver that are also hardware. I thought the usage here was hardware modem meant modems that don't off load to the CPU and don't require a propriatary driver, so either already work under Linux or can be made to do so by some good soul writing a drivers? What does he mean hardware modem that don't work under Linux? I HOPE that is an oxymoron, but given the rapacity of some companies, I fear the worst. I would normally edit the message in a reply, but someone may be able to decipher what these folks are talking about for me from the stuff I left in. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. - Repassado por Romeu Freitas Flores Junior/RJ/Petrobras em 17/08/00 11:49 - Romeu [EMAIL PROTECTED]Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.brcc: Assunto: En: E0008224/Lucent Venus 16/08/00 Voice Modem 23:22 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 12:50 AM Subject: FW: E0008224/Lucent Venus Voice Modem -- ???e?? support/askey_notes ?? 2000/08/15 11:49 AM --- kain 2000/08/14 03:31 PM ?H?G support/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ???e?G ?D???G FW: E0008224/Lucent Venus Voice Modem Dear Sir This modem is hardware modem But we not have set com port tool for linux Regards Askey Technical Support Romeu [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?? 2000/08/10 06:56:39 AM ???^?? ?? Romeu [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?H?Gsupport/askey_notes ???e?G ?D???G Lucent Venus Voice Modem Is FCC H8NV 1456VQH-T (Lucent Venus Voice Modem) a hardware modem? I bought it expecting so. It works fine with MS Windows, but I cannot set it up under linux. It's not detected. Thanks Romeu F. Jr. Rio de Janeiro Brazil - att-1.htm (See attached file: att-1.htm)
Re: Missing class member in stl_vector?
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Christoph Baumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have the following problem. In a c++ program I use the vector template. Acording to The C++ Programming Language by Bjarne Stroustrup there should be a member at() for [range] checked random access to components of a vector. But it seems that there is only operator[] implemented in libstdc++. Is the member I need named differently or is there some sort of workaround? Christoph Perhaps you could write your own class that inherits publicly from vectorT, providing a public member function T at(index_type) that does the range check you require then uses operator[] for indexing. Here, index_type is what ever type your STL vector uses for indices, I'd think unsigned int. Please look. I do not have the standard here to refer to, to tell you what at exception the at member should throw. If you don't care about recovery, you could just call abort() if a range error occurs. You might go to PJ Plauger's Dinkumware site web and see if he has an online copy of the 1996 draft standard (which is quite close to the adopted ISO standard). He may have other information on what at() should throw. (Sorry, I don't have Dinkumware's URL, you might search the web for it.) If you have access to a Borland or MS VC++ compiler, you could look that version of the STL vector. That will give you some hints. If I recall correctly, the STL in libstdc++ is from Silicon Graphics. Their website may shed some light. The STL uses overloading on the keyword const to distinguish between lvalue and rvalue use of members such as operator[]. Keep it simple until and unless you find you need this distinction, then study the STL with this in mind to figure out what to do. Hope this helps --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.) * External Error : INTELLIGENCE not found !*
Re: netscape security hole
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Carl Fink wrote: I wonder if Mozilla is vulnerable . . . . According to a ZiffDavis web site, Mozilla is not vulnerable, but I want to hear that from someone I believe more strongly. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Linux support for PlexWriter 12/10/32A?
Hi Is the Plextor PlexWriter 12/10/32A supported by Linux? This is a fairly new unit that uses Sanyo's BURN-Proof (Buffer UnderRun Proof) fault-tolerant technology. The review I read is in PC Mag, which is almost exclusively Windows and the drive is not described as SCSI, so I assume it is IDE. The review says this drive remedies the generation of pretty coasters problem by halting the write when the internal buffer is empty, then waits for the buffer to refill, then finds last frame written and resumes. This is said to allow Win machines to browse without killing a cd burn. If you don't know whether it is supported, is there a similar device that is known to work under Linux, so we might safely infer support? Or ... how can I find out short of buying one and trying it? ;) --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
netscape security hole
On NPR's Morning Edition they described a security hole in Netscape versions 4.73 and earlier that allows 'infection' by access to 'nasty' web sites. It is said to put your hard drive at risk some way. I assume this is a Windows problem, BUT does anybody know what this hole is and whether Linux is susceptible? (Probably only the user's files would be at risk at worst.) --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Debian in Academic and Public Organisations
Hi Simon, Charles, and all: I wish you had included the original poster's address so I could CC: him. We have used Debian since the 0.93 days for our servers in the department of computer science. We have a fairly large server (cs.wcu.edu) for mail, web service, and file service to both Lose 9x machines and Debian machines in a lab. I use debian on my personal machines, unless someone pays me to use MS unstable-ware. with debian, unstable = quite stable. --David Teague On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, Charles Lewis wrote: We use debian all over this campus (routers, firewalls, mail servers, web servers, samba servers, etc) and I know that they have at least one debian box in the CS department. Charles Lewis, Director of Adminstrative Computing Southwestern Adventist University, Keene, TX 76059 (817) 556-4720 - phone (360) 397-7952 - fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Folks, I am a Computer Science professor at American University in Washington D.C. I want to recommend that we replace Solaris in our Computer Science department with Debian. In doing so, I know that we will encounter problems wuite specific to the public (as in non-profit, public sector) and academic nature of the enterprise. I want to advocate Debian over RedHat and TurboLinux who are trying to sell into this market. Is there anyone else out there in this kind of organisation, who is using Debian in this kind of environment? Contact me and let's band together! Simon Read -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: cos() in math.h ?
Hi
I was bit by this bug in my first real C program. 1986? I looked
HARD. I had to figure it out from the manuals.
With C not including some header files results in a default
prototype being used, int name(...); which may get you linked ok,
but does no checking.
ANSI C is almost C++ The authors compiled all the programs in KR II
on an early C++ compiler. If you are willing to put up with some
very small differences between the C subset of C++ and gcc's C, you
can avoid this and get considerably more static error checking at
little cost by writing in C and compiling it as C++, with or without
the error checking options below:
#include stdio.h
#include math.h
int main()
{
printf(%f\n, cos(3.14159263/4));
return 0;
}
Compile:
g++ -W -Wall --pedantic stuff.c
// no compile/link errors
output:
0.707107
As someone points out, including the headers does not get you linked
to the libraries. g++ automatically links to most libraries, as well
as doing a bit more error checking.
--David
David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely,
useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, William T Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Christophe TROESTLER wrote:
simply need to include `math.h'. However, when I compile, I got the
error:
/tmp/cc9WOsLC.o(.text+0x16): undefined reference to `cos'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
This is actually a linker error - undefined references happen when the
linker (which might be called by the compiler) tries to assemble the
object files into an executable, but can't find all the function calls
that the program wants to make. cos() is in the math library, libm.a. So
you need to add -lm to the command line.
Including math.h will allow the compiler to compile the object code
(otherwise you would get warnings or errors about the function declaration
for cos()) but the actual code that does the computation is in libm.
Unidentified subject!
Folks, I have a question from a buddy who asks the following question, which I could not help him with. I have had wonderful support, I hope one of you can help him. Send flames to me for any lack of information, I'll ask him for what you need. It ain't his fault ;) Please send answers to both of us. [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Victor asks: . I am trying to compile a very minimal Linux kernel for a 486 with . limited memory and disk space. It will just be a simple networking . gateway. . I have compiled a monolithic kernel that seems to run . ok but it has a small problem... . The rc.sysinit script invokes the command: . mount -a -t nonfs, smbfs, ncpfs, proc . This produces an error message: . mount: fs type devpts not supported by kernel . . This error message results from attempting . to mount the nonfs filesystem mentioned in this . mount command. . . The mount man page says that something is mounted on /dev/pts but . I don't know what that is. . . Can you tell me what filesystem, or other support . needs to be included in the kernel configuration to . fix this, or is it even needed? . Thanks, . Victor Stiles . e-mail me at . [EMAIL PROTECTED] or . [EMAIL PROTECTED] --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: StarOffice5.2 install
Hi I found Staroffice for download from tucows at http://tzo.linux.tucows.com/x11html/adnload/019-010-009-004_4144.html At this point my only internet access is via Lose 98. That will change shortly. So, I used IE4, clicked on the Linux SO 5.2 download link. What I got was a 61 MB file file named so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en.bin I was expecting a tar.gz file. Windows says it is a bin file-- not very informative. What is this beast and how do I use it? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re Rescue Disks, Tom's btrt
All This is tangential to Richard's inquiry, but Has anyone considered distributing Tomsbtrt with Debian? That is one of the most useful tools I have found. David On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Richard Ingram wrote: Hi, I have been upgrading Xfree but something obviously went wrong as when I boot up now it hangs at the starting Xfontserver startup and does not even get to the login prompt. Before I blat over and reinstall debian is there an easy way of creating a set of rescue disks ? I just need to edit a startup file on my root disk. My system is booted from floppy and mounts the SCSI disc. At work we have a Debian system so if anyone knows of a shell script somwhere that I could use to create my file system on floppy that would be greatly appreciated (I know I could hack one up but we are flat out at work), if not it will only take an hour or so to reinstall :-( Thanks. Richard. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: staroffice
On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Nick Croft wrote: On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, David Teague wrote: On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: StarOffice is a bloated stuck pig. It handles MS file formats fairly well though. It may be the only use for SO, take a Word .doc and turn it into something Unix or universal like html. How fast does a computer need to be? I thought 133mh was slow. Put it on a 333mh box today and it's no faster. Even at 600+ it would be slow if processor is the clue to speed. Nick I think speed here just might be a function of amount of memory. SO is a memory hog. I have an AMD 350 on a 100 MHZ mother board with 128 MB RAM and 128 MB swap, with fairly fast (about 6ms) ide hd (but DMA not enabled), running Potato and SO 5.1, My window manager is FVWM2. SO is slow starting, but no slower doing any task than Word 97 and Win 98 on the same machine. --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: staroffice
On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: StarOffice is a bloated stuck pig. It handles MS file formats fairly well though. I do a lot of revising of documents, and find that SO doesn't export 'tracking changes' to MS Word. If you can work exclusively with SO its word processing format does track changes. I rebooted to the Win 98 partition and I ran word 97. I'm hoping that the Trelos's Win4Lin (www.trelos.com) will let me run Word 97 Someone mentioned that it would run Word 95. Fingers crossed. anyhbody know for sure? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Point me to FAQ/HOWTO for zip disks
Hi The ZIP-DRIVE mini HOWTO (circa mid 1999) has an invalid URL for information on the USB zip drive. http://peloncho.fis.ucm.es/~inaky/USB/news.html Can some kind person point me to the correct FAQ/HOWTO so I can make my ZIP 250 USB work under Linux? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
Re: Setting hwclock time
Jack, Shaul has replied with reference material, but I had some problems with setting the hw clock. I got many answers =-- new bios, etc. Then someone suggested that I reboot with a dos floppy, set the hw clock to this century and that fixed my problem with two old machines. It is worth a try. Hope this helps. --David On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Shaul Karl wrote: I just did a clean install of debian potato on my Toshiba 2100cds. My bios clock reads Thu Jan 4 23:17:51 JST 1990. So when I use dselect to install numerous packages it stalls due to tar archive error that says ...future time stamp..etc This is very frustrating since any info, e.g. man pages, haven't been installed yet. I believe that hwclock and date commands should help but I haven't got them to work. and no man pages :-( Question: how can I set my bios clock to this century? or a workaround for the future time stamp error from tar? Thanks for any help Jack Morgan Useful search interfaces to the man pages can be found at: http://linux.wiw.org/doc/man/ and http://linux.com.hk/man/. -- -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.)
Re: Way OT: C++ function to clear screen
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Cameron Matheson wrote:
I'm sorry even to mail the Debian list about this, but I can't find this
information anywhere. I'm wondering what a function would be in C++
that I could use to clear the screen at the beginning of the program
(this is just a console program). Sorry to bother you.
Cameron
Someone said apropos clear. Here is how to make use of this BASH
command from within C++. I hope this is useful to you and isn't
beating the dead horse.
#include cstdlib
int main(){ system(clear); }
ought to do it. If your compiler doesn't like cstdlib, use stdlib.h
instead.
--David
David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely,
useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
(I hope this is all of the above.)
