Changing mouse buttons in Xterm
How does one change mouse button assignments in Xterm? Is there an initialization file somewhere? I have read the man page, but couldn't figure this out. The default for the paste function for selected text is mouse button # 3, but I only have a 2 button mouse and would like to set the paste function to use button # 2. Thanks, Dave N. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re[2]: Expelling David Cinege from the list
I agree with you, Britton. As I said in my follow up post, if you caught it: I was being sarcastic to make a point (which apparently was very poorly done, as it seems that it was pretty generally missed). I simply think that the things that he is complaining about are really of no consequence at all to the *vast* majority of Debian users. I feel that this is probably accurate as a relatively small group of developers, David, and Paul (the one CD guy) are for the most part the only people who have been posting to that thread, ,and the fact that most of the user posts that I have seen have dealt with technical questions. My point is that since this is not of any consequence to most Debian users (other than CD burners and David), this thread is taking up WAY to much of this mailing list. It is greatly diminishing the value of the lists to users such as myself who look to the list primarily for answers to technical questions (my own and other people's). This is the only *tangible* diminishing of value that I have encountered with the Debian incorporation so far, and it is entirely a result of the vehemence and frequency of David and Paul's arguments. This is the wrong forum for those arguments, that's all. Dave Neuer ___ Subject: Re: Expelling David Cinege from the list From:Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] at Internet Date:8/22/97 3:19 PM There was no good reason for a corp to be formed. I kept quite. There was no good reason to put out an 'Official' cd (which hurt a lot of our CD-R guys), and I kept quite. Now for the most pethtic reason, the entire version control ^ ^^^ system (and quality of product, both perceived and actual) is at stake. Now I'm ventting my shit with full force. I see where this is leading. serious pall over the whole movement. Can people really expect quality software from people who can't even spell simple English words like wield, quiet, pathetic and venting? Imagine the arguments from the Windows NT and commercial Unix vendors: No wonder they insist on free software. They obviously didn't receive the type of education that would allow them to get jobs which provided the income neccessary to *purchase* software. Do you *really* want an operating system developed by people like *this* to control your mission-critical computing needs, Mr. Computer User? My guess is Englesh (heh) is this guys second language. Do you even know ten words from any other than yours? Anyway, picking on spelling and poor typing is pretty pathetic. Who cares if he mispells some of our more screwy words? Not me, I do it too and I've got lots of other stuff to do with my time than worry about spelling. If you want to take MS on with perfect spelling, grammer, and pretty boxes, better think about hiring a team of editors and graphic artists. I'm sure they have. His points, for those who impatiently deleted the first two dozen messages in this thread before becoming curious, were: 1. Incorporating Debian is bad. I bet 99% of readers disagree with him, and his own opinion may by this time have undergone mortification. There are several good reasons for doing this. The two major reasons stem from our particular tax system and legal trend, and he may not have been familliar with them. 2. Changing the version numbering is bad. He's right about this. There was no reason to do it, and it looks like a pacification move toward vendors that functions by decieving (or at least misleading) end users. This is in direct conflict with Debian's official policy of 'not hiding problems'. At least one CD vendor has already agreed with him on this in this thread. Britton Received: from aurora.alaska.edu (137.229.18.1) by smtpmail.stream.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0006553F; Fri, 22 Aug 97 19:25:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by aurora.alaska.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Mar97-0141PM) id AA05726; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:19:59 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:19:59 -0800 (AKDT) From: Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Expelling David Cinege from the list In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Re[2]: Expelling David Cinege from the list
___ Subject: Re[2]: Expelling David Cinege from the list From:David Neuer Date:8/22/97 8:53 AM I didn't mean to insult you David (well, maybe to tease a little). I just meant to use sarcasm to indicate my frustration with the degree to which this thread has taken over this mailing list. I strongly believe (as a Debian user) that most Debian users don't care about this issue at all. I also think that probably the majority of users would accept the reasons given for the change as being valid ones. Most importantly, however, I am sick of having to wade through these messages in my Mailbox. The Debian mailing lists frequently crash my mail reader at work. I don't mind this for mail that is informative and provides me with meaningful information that helps me as a Debian user, but if most of the messages are meaningless bickering, then it's not worth the hassle. Perhaps you should start a new list devoted to debating policy. Anyway, I hope this thread stops soon. Dave N. ___ Subject: Re: Expelling David Cinege from the list From:Dave Cinege [EMAIL PROTECTED] at Internet Date:8/22/97 12:22 AM On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:54:36 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT), Dave Cinege wrote: Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. Resorting to vulgarities on a public mailing list should get you bounced from the list. Like Behan said, grow up. Then fuck you too. Bounce me. Weld you're power to stifle my 'bad' speech. Dare you use your filter instead. and in another post to the list: There was no good reason for a corp to be formed. I kept quite. There was no ^ good reason to put out an 'Official' cd (which hurt a lot of our CD-R guys), and I kept quite. Now for the most pethtic reason, the entire version control ^ ^^^ system (and quality of product, both perceived and actual) is at stake. Now I'm ventting my shit with full force. I see where this is leading. I say we bump him not only to stifle his bad speech, as he put it, but also for his bad *spelling*. This type of spelling reflects poorly on the entire Debian community. At a time when Debian and the Linux community as a whole is doing such a great job of promoting the idea of free software, this could cast a serious pall over the whole movement. Can people really expect quality software from people who can't even spell simple English words like wield, quiet, pathetic and venting? Imagine the arguments from the Windows NT and commercial Unix vendors: No wonder they insist on free software. They obviously didn't receive the type of education that would allow them to get jobs which provided the income neccessary to *purchase* software. Do you *really* want an operating system developed by people like *this* to control your mission-critical computing needs, Mr. Computer User? Expanding on his own argument that having Debian incorporate will hurt the distribution, I agree fully that having an actual organization with liability for stabilizing releases can only hurt. I mean, who the hell is going to trust a distribution that comes from an actual organized entity rather than some collection of nameless developers? Not me! And as far as paying goes, great free software is our (users') birthright. If the debian developers want to go down in OS history, THEY SHOULD BEAR THE ENTIRE COSTS OF THE DISTRIBUTION AND LIKE IT! Fame and immortality come at a high price (some might even say they are priceless). However, I am much more concerned about the impact that bad spelling will have on the distribution. Swearing will intimidate Debian's rivals, and should be promoted wholeheartedly! But poor spelling will simply give them more ammo against non-commercial software, and that's something we can't afford. Now that we are done discussing these weighty matters that profoundly affect the average Linux user, can we have a little lighter subject matter? A little comedy relief like helping users solve technical problems and get up and running? putz - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project Received: from Schizo.psychosis.com (205.164.177.36) by smtpmail.stream.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00064587; Fri, 22 Aug 97 00:26:00 -0400 Received: by Schizo.psychosis.com id m0x1lDn-0005bzC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Dave Cinege [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22
Expelling David Cinege from the list
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT), Dave Cinege wrote: Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. Resorting to vulgarities on a public mailing list should get you bounced from the list. Like Behan said, grow up. Then fuck you too. Bounce me. Weld you're power to stifle my 'bad' speech. Dare you use your filter instead. and in another post to the list: There was no good reason for a corp to be formed. I kept quite. There was no ^ good reason to put out an 'Official' cd (which hurt a lot of our CD-R guys), and I kept quite. Now for the most pethtic reason, the entire version control ^ ^^^ system (and quality of product, both perceived and actual) is at stake. Now I'm ventting my shit with full force. I see where this is leading. I say we bump him not only to stifle his bad speech, as he put it, but also for his bad *spelling*. This type of spelling reflects poorly on the entire Debian community. At a time when Debian and the Linux community as a whole is doing such a great job of promoting the idea of free software, this could cast a serious pall over the whole movement. Can people really expect quality software from people who can't even spell simple English words like wield, quiet, pathetic and venting? Imagine the arguments from the Windows NT and commercial Unix vendors: No wonder they insist on free software. They obviously didn't receive the type of education that would allow them to get jobs which provided the income neccessary to *purchase* software. Do you *really* want an operating system developed by people like *this* to control your mission-critical computing needs, Mr. Computer User? Expanding on his own argument that having Debian incorporate will hurt the distribution, I agree fully that having an actual organization with liability for stabilizing releases can only hurt. I mean, who the hell is going to trust a distribution that comes from an actual organized entity rather than some collection of nameless developers? Not me! And as far as paying goes, great free software is our (users') birthright. If the debian developers want to go down in OS history, THEY SHOULD BEAR THE ENTIRE COSTS OF THE DISTRIBUTION AND LIKE IT! Fame and immortality come at a high price (some might even say they are priceless). However, I am much more concerned about the impact that bad spelling will have on the distribution. Swearing will intimidate Debian's rivals, and should be promoted wholeheartedly! But poor spelling will simply give them more ammo against non-commercial software, and that's something we can't afford. Now that we are done discussing these weighty matters that profoundly affect the average Linux user, can we have a little lighter subject matter? A little comedy relief like helping users solve technical problems and get up and running? Dave -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Sudo vs. Super
The subject line of this message is pretty self explanatory. Anyone have any idea of the relative strengths and weaknesses of these 2 products? Dave Neuer -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Administration question
I am running a Debian system right now as a web development staging server. At present, it is only on a local network, but could conceivably become a gateway to the Internet as well. So for the time being, it is basically a two-user system (me and my wife). I am teaching my wife to do web development, and would like her to be able to use the Linux system. This includes having her be able to shut the system down when she's done using it (we can't afford to leave this old 486 system running without a pretty heavy subsidy from the electric co!). My wife is not a real experienced computer user in general, and she has NO UNIX experience whatsoever. Needless to say, I'm not really crazy about the idea of giving her root access, lest some simple mistake hose the system completely. What would be the best way to enable her to run the shutdown command, without creating a giant security hole which might bite me in the @*% should this machine ever become a gateway? My thoughts up to this point: 1) Creating a group consisting of my wife and myself, and doing a setuid and chmod 710 on the shutdown command itself, and changing group ownership to the group with me and her in it. 2) Creating a group consisting of my wife and myself, and writing a script which executes the shutdown command, then setting the ownership for the script to root, group ownership on the script to our group, and doing a setuid on just the script. It seems to me that the second option is the best as I don't have to monkey around with the permissions on the command. Is the second any more of a security concern than the first, or, as I assume, less? Say my wife's user password is ridiculously easy to guess; do these give the same amount of system access to the person who cracks into her account? Does anyone know of a better way to do this? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Driver installation problems
Here's the situation: I am a web developer. I have a PowerMac 8500 at home, on which I do most of my development. My ISP is a pain to deal with regarding CGI scripts and stuff, so I decided to set up an intranet at home to do my development on. I got a used Packard Bell 486 machine with a floppy drive, and put an SMC Ethernet card in it. I was able after a huge hassle to install the base Debian distribution on the PC. However, because I had downloaded the image files on my Mac, I couldn't mount them; I had had to transfer them on a PC disk to the PC and run rawrite on them there. Consequently, I had to use the 1.2 Mb driver and rescue images (because the mac couldn't write the larger files to the PC formatted disks thanks to the space that the formatting takes up). During the Linux installation, I got the the driver installation phase. I was unable to install drivers for either my Logitech Bus Mouse, or my Ethernet card, due to dependencies in those drivers to object files that the installer apparently couldn't find (misc.o for the mouse, something like 8303.o for the Ethernet card). I realize that I could get the Kernel sources and recompile them; however, the source files for the kernal (not to mention the gcc binary .deb package) are too big to transfer via floppy, and (obviously) I can't transfer the files via Ethernet. What are my options for getting this working? I have a 14.4 modem installed in the PC, but there is no modem entry in /dev. I don't have a CD ROM (nor do I have money right now to purchase the Debian CD). Until I get the Ethernet working, this setup is pretty much useless to me. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Driver installation problems
Kevin Traas wrote: Dave Neuer wrote: Here's the situation: I am a web developer. I have a PowerMac 8500 at home, on which I do most of my development. My ISP is a pain to deal with regarding CGI scripts and stuff, so I decided to set up an intranet at home to do my development on. I got a used Packard Bell 486 machine with a floppy drive, and put an SMC Ethernet card in it. I was able after a huge hassle to install the base Debian distribution on the PC. However, because I had downloaded the image files on my Mac, I couldn't mount them; I had had to transfer them on a PC disk to the PC and run rawrite on them there. Consequently, I had to use the 1.2 Mb driver and rescue images (because the mac couldn't write the larger files to the PC formatted disks thanks to the space that the formatting takes up). During the Linux installation, I got the the driver installation phase. I was unable to install drivers for either my Logitech Bus Mouse, or my Ethernet card, due to dependencies in those drivers to object files that the installer apparently couldn't find (misc.o for the mouse, something like 8303.o for the Ethernet card). I realize that I could get the Kernel sources and recompile them; however, the source files for the kernal (not to mention the gcc binary .deb package) are too big to transfer via floppy, and (obviously) I can't transfer the files via Ethernet. What are my options for getting this working? I have a 14.4 modem installed in the PC, but there is no modem entry in /dev. I don't have a CD ROM (nor do I have money right now to purchase the Debian CD). Until I get the Ethernet working, this setup is pretty much useless to me. A CDROM would be, by far, your easiest option. You can get a cheap ATAPI compatible drive from www.onsale.com or something. You can get the Debian distribution for $4 + sh (www.lsl.com). Downloading what you need via 14.4 is going to cost you lots from your ISP - many hours of download time. Use that money instead to invest in the drive and CD set. For your modem, you can use: /dev/ttyS0- COM1 /dev/ttyS1- COM2 /dev/ttyS2- COM3 /dev/ttyS3- COM4 later, Well, my ISP doesn't charge for time, and I literally have no money right now (having a baby in the next few weeks, wife stopped working). So buying anything is out. The modem in the PC is an ISA card modem. Will this map to one of the /dev/ ttyS's? Rember, I'm primarily a Mac person, so I don't know an IRQ from my left knee, and to me an I/O address is a place one one of the moons of Jupiter that the postman delivers mail to. If Linux can find my modem, I'll download the software directly that way. In the meantime, anyone else have any ideas? I could use MacGZip to gzip the .deb files and transfer them on a PC-formatted floppy, but would I get much compression, or are the files already compressed to the max? Anyone know of a compression/archive format that allows multi-volume archives with tools available for both platforms? Thanks, Dave -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
