Re: Can you run 2 X/KDE sessions at once?
Thus spake Justin Guerin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): ... One word of caution, though. I've heard KDE doesn't like it if you log in twice as the same user at the same time. You don't say you're attempting that, and that's good. That certainly used to be the case, however while seting up my desktop as a VNC server (long story) I discovered that (KDE3.2 for certain) this now works. Odd thing is, I can't get startkde to run for a *different* user simultaneously when both are running under VNC... -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HP Winprinter
My wife has just bought a new Toshiba notebook (used the Mepis distro to install, everything works a treat); however, she has an HP722C winprinter which I made work on her old desktop. I've install and configured pnm2ppa but can't remember what to do next. Nor does the documentation (or a quick google search) enlighten me. If somebody who knows would care to email me offlist I'd be very grateful. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HOWTO - Speed up IDE HD's - raid
Thus spake Roger Chrisman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Mike Fedyk wrote: These fancy tricks might not be worth it though if your system bus is 33MHz. My two PIII servers have 33MHz system bus (PCI host bridge). So I don't think it would be worth the trouble on my servers. Someone who knows more about RAID please tell me if I am mistaken about that. Oh, I think it'll be useful. Remember, PCI at 32bits and 33Mhz can transfer 132MBytes/sec, and your drives won't fill that up. Also, once you start seeking, your disk throughput goes down radically. Mike, Thanks for this. I have a couple IDE drives sitting around so might try this. I had thought the 33MHz mother board host bridge (aka system bus?) was going to be the bottle neck on my old PIII board. Any book suggestions or other resource suggestions where I might read more about PCI bus speeds, mother board host bridge speeds, and this kind of hardware performance math? There seems to be considerable confusion about PCI bus speeds. The latest PCI spec (2.2 IIRC) allows for speeds of 33 or 66MHz, but most motherboards still run at 33 (and most adapters ditto). OTOH the *memory* bus may well be running at 800MHz or faster. But that won't help disk speeds. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE3.1 strangeness
I did a dist-upgrade the other night - I was running testing - and (it was the first time I'd persuaded my dekstop to boot since before moving house 2 months ago) there were 500+ packages upgrade. Fair enough, but the KDE portion has somehow broken. Although everything seems to be there, obviously something isn't as kdm is using a very strange font (which I don't rfecognise) and whenever I try to log in using kde3 I get bounced back to kdm. A look in the kdm.log shows a message complaining that the KThemeStyle Cache appears to be corrupt and then nothing. Anyone any insight into this? -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
automating apt-get
I think I'm on the verge of persuading our technical people that we should be using debian in our labs rather than RH. One thing that would tip the scales is if it were possible to *completely* automate the upgrade process. For instance: our techies would do an update followed by an upgrade on a central/test machine to ensure everything was OK. They would then like to be able to run the same commands on several dozen lab machine *without* any manual intervention (e.g. not having to answer those questions about opackage configuration etc). Is this feasible/easy? Is there a better way of mirroring a debian system to many others? All feedback gratefully received. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Derivative effects.
Thus spake Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 07:46:51AM +0100, Jan Minar wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 01:41:30AM -0800, Day Brown wrote: [...] DR-DOS, since at least 5, have had taskswitching. Well, sort of. AFAICR, it was a bleeding edge feature, and it felt like one. You just didn't really expect it to work like we expect Linux to work. After all, it was just a DOS. This is not to start a flamewar, but rather to inform the reader the real meaning of the words sometimes isn't the obvious one. Quarterdeck brought out a task-switching system to run on ordinary DOS; ISTR it got a glowing review in Electronics Wireless World - they rated it better than the windoze of the time - but it was text-based rather than full pretty pictures GUI, and didn't have M$'s backing, so it sunk without trace. Unfortunately I never got a chance to try it. Yes - Desqview/QEMM wasn't it? I actually wrote an application to run under DV and had the developer's SDK. It was as I recall pretty good, although text only as you suggest. Funnily enough I moved house last month and the DV manuals were among the stuff that didn't make it to the new one. Quarterdeck also announced, maybe even released Desqview-X c1994/5 (?) which IIRC was an implementation of (part of?) the X protocol on (gulp) DOS. I had a product brief but don't recall ever seeing the product. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Derivative effects.
Thus spake Bijan Soleymani ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 07:21:02AM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:43:56PM -0800, Day Brown wrote: Linux comes from Unix, which was designed for mainframes. windows comes from dos, which was designed for personal desktops. Well technically Unix was designed for mid-sized computers... And wasn't DOS designed for the workstation? Nope, Dos was for 16 bit PCs. It was like Unix's under-achieving relative :) 8.3 filenames, single-tasking, crappy shell,... And what nobody has mentioned is that Unix was derived from Multics. Indeed, the original name was Unics, an even more obvious pun, but that was felt to be alittle too close. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt problem
Thus spake Alexander Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): * Deryk Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] [040118 21:06]: I'm having a problem with my wife's machine (running testing) and I can't seem to find a way out. While doing an upgrade it broke because apparently both kdepim-libs and libkcal2 contain the file /usr/lib/libkcal2.so.0.0 Your can use dpkg --force-overwrite packagename to install the newer package. So dpkg will ignore, that this file is in both packages. Your'll find the .deb-files in /var/cache/apt/archives/. The next step would be to find out, what went wront and file a bug report using reportbug. I think we got trapped by KDE. My wife was running the woody backport of KDE3.1. I should have remembered that deleting and then reinstalling KDE was likely to be required. However (and thanks) the --force-overwrite did work (although I had to do it for several packages) and combined with apt-get -f install got the job done. Of course, now I'm in trouble because the upgrade removed my wife's browser of choice (galeon) and I have yet to convert her bookmarks -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt problem
I'm having a problem with my wife's machine (running testing) and I can't seem to find a way out. While doing an upgrade it broke because apparently both kdepim-libs and libkcal2 contain the file /usr/lib/libkcal2.so.0.0 apt-get -f install doesn't get past this point, so we have 99 packages not properly upgraded out of the 120. I've tried removing that file (I know, I know) but it still gives the same message. I thought I could try removing kdepim-libs temporarily but that has many dependencies (as does libkcal2). I can't see anything in the man pages which will get me around this problem. Any helkp gratefully received - I thought only RPMs got you into this kind of mess... -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
Thus spake Dave Howorth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): ... But surely it would be far better to build the replica in America and save them all the hassle of a long plane flight! The food would be familiar. There could even be stonehenge-east in say Atlantic City and stonehenge-west at Disneyland. I seem to recall from Gerald Hawkins' book that there is a replica in the USA. He pointed out that its location prevents any of the astronomical alignments the original has. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
Thus spake Jim Higson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:54:13 -0800, Nano Nano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stonehenge sucks! No, the presentation, the limitation of access, suck. Stonehenge itself is a truly strange monument - try sleeping overnight in the back of your car within sight of it, as I once did. Seriously, don't visit it. You get to walk around a rope 10 meters or so from the stones, which have mostly fallen doen anyway. Well the stones which have fallen doen did so a long time ago. AFAIK there have been no stones falling since Stonehenge became a tourist attraction. My major beef is the way that they allow the Druids (virutually nothing is known about the real Druids aside from a paragraph in Caesar) to prance about there on midsummer's morning. Firstly the real Druids did *not* build Stonehenge and secondly the rpesent-day druids were founded in the 18th (?) century by John Aubrey (he of Brief Lives fame) who surveyed Stonehenge and after whom the Aubrey holes are named. These present day idiots in their KKK-style outfits have no more right to special treatment at Stonehenge than does Bugs Bunny. Actually rather less. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
Thus spake David P James ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On January 13, 2004 14:12, Deryk Barker wrote: ... My major beef is the way that they allow the Druids (virutually nothing is known about the real Druids aside from a paragraph in Caesar) to prance about there on midsummer's morning. Firstly the real Druids did *not* build Stonehenge and secondly the rpesent-day druids were founded in the 18th (?) century by John Aubrey (he of Brief Lives fame) who surveyed Stonehenge and after whom the Aubrey holes are named. These present day idiots in their KKK-style outfits have no more right to special treatment at Stonehenge than does Bugs Bunny. Actually rather less. While I agree they're little more than idiots, referring to their garb as KKK-style is a bit much considering that their outfits probably pre-date the KKK by a century or two. In fact, it's likely the KKK copied the Druids' outfits. Indeed. I wasn't imputing anything, rather attempting to use a shorthand that most people would recognise. Mea culpa. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
Thus spake Jim Higson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:12:38 -0800, Deryk Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... My major beef is the way that they allow the Druids (virutually nothing is known about the real Druids aside from a paragraph in Caesar) to prance about there on midsummer's morning. ... Ok, but I don't think they have any less right than you or I. Absoltely. What bugs me is that they are currently given more rights: in particular to perform their rituals at sunrise on midsummer's day. Nobody else is allowed to do this. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's going on with Galeon in testing?
Thus spake Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 12:16:45PM -0200, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra wrote: Em Ter, 2004-01-06 às 11:32, stan escreveu: Starting a few days ago, on all my testing amchines, when I try to do an pat-get update ; ap-get dist-upfrade apt--get wan't to remove galeon. Probably Galeon is broken in testing. Testing doesn't even have galeon, and hasn't for a couple of months. My impression was that galeon is no longer maintained. I've happily moved to mozzilla-firebird which (apart from the rally nice Googol windows in the galeon toolbar) is an excellent subsititute. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Next On The Checklist - VNC
Thus spake Scarletdown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Okay, I just installed the VNC package and successfully accessed a KDE desktop from my Windows-98 system. And I must say, I became instantly enamored with VNC. However, I now have a bunch of questions. 1: Every time I connect, I always get root's desktop by default. How do I configure vncserver to access a normal non-root user's desktop instead? You need to run vncserver as that user. 2: The VNC session always gives me the KDE desktop. However, I would like to run other desktops as well (GNOME in particular). Is there any way to state which Window Manager gets used each VNC session? Checkout the xstartup script in the .vnc directory 3: My VNC desktop always comes up at 640x480. How do I get it to come up at a higher resolution? When logged into an X-Session directly at the console, I have 800x600 as my resolution, and my Windows system is set for 1024x768. vncserver -geometry 1024x768 Although that will involve scroll bars. I like to leave a thin border all around, so I'm currently connected to my office system from my notebook at home and the office vncserver is running -geometry 1012x754 - the joy of the vncserver is that is happily supports non-display-standard resolutions. 4: I also went ahead and installed a vnc server on my Windows-98 system. Now, how do I connect to that one from the Linux box? Pass. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Next On The Checklist - VNC
Thus spake Roberto Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): ... Unless you need the entire desktop for something, you might try X11 forwarding. You can install Cygwin/X on your '98 box and then ssh into your Debian box. Then you can run whatever X apps you want as the user that you logged in as. True, but there is no preservation of the session. The original developers of VNC (Olivetti UK) wanted this feature so that people could disconnect their viewer at work, go home, reconnect and be exactly where they had left off. If you need to access the system in short bursts, as I often do my office machine from home, then IMHO VNC is far superior to X11 forwarding. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)
Thus spake Thanasis Kinias ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): scripsit Tom: On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:53:21AM -0800, Tom wrote: .. Elvis tripping on LSD with Nixon. s/with/in front of/ It's much funnier the other way... This was presumably the occasion when RMN make Elvis a special anti-drug agent, something Elvis was apparently inordinately proud of. Nobody mentioned the Beatles rolling up and smoking a joint in the washrooms of Buckingham Palace when they went to collect their MBEs in 1965. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Godel [was Re: qmail Re: freebsd - Re: recommended Virus Scanner?]
Thus spake Tom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): ... I thought it was neither complete (the doesn't capture all truths thing) nor consistent (may contain both a statement and its complement)[1]. But I can look that up. The Stanford prof told me the Lambda calculus (Lisp-ish stuff) almost proved one of the two. Almost? Hardly counts. I also don't understand what he was telling you. Church's lambda-calculus and Turing's turing machine are equivalent (as I believe Turing showed as part of his PhD thesis, which Church supervised) and AFIK neither was trying to disprove Godel which, as someone has already pointed out, is well proved and, the nature of mathematical proof being what it is, it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to find a logical error almost 75 years later - Godel's proof has, after all, been pored over by countless mathematicins and many of them must have desparately wanted to be able to refute it. AIR Godel says that in any axiomatic system which is at least complex enough to contain the axioms of arithmetic, then there are statements which can be made but not proved within that system. It is possible to add further axioms to prove the statements, but then this richer axiomatic base will lead to new statements which cannot be proved with the richer set of axioms. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVD playing slow -- dropping frames?
Sorry to weigh in rather late butyou have enabled DMA on the DVD-ROM haven't you? Debian doesn't seem to do this by default and I had a similar experience when I first played a DVD on the computer. Which led me to turn on DMA not just for the DVD-ROM but for both hard drives too. What a difference! -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Workspace/desktop switching
I've been using multiple desktops for years - in fact since I first acquired a 486-25 (!) at work, the first machine I had which had enough welly to run X. fvwm-2 was the window manager. My reasons are the same as most that have been quoted already: I use desktop 1 for xterms, 2 for xemacs, 4 for galeon/mozilla, 5 for openoffice, 6 for VMWare, 7 for sound apps, 11 for vnc, 12 for kmail. I usually have 12 desktops enabled (there is little extra cost after all) and use the others as spares. Oh yes, I'm using kwm under kde3.1 almost exclusively these days except for vnc session where I use icewm. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Users...
Thus spake Yves Rutschle ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:19:46PM -0500, Ryan M. Golbeck wrote: apt-get install ratpoison ratpoison looks interesting (I never actually tried it, because I ran into ION first and fell in love). The idea of only having one, full-screen frame at a time seem to reductionnist to me, though. On a large screen, I will typically want to have gkrellm or similar monitors, an editor and a shell (to compile and run), which I really want to have all at the same time (I'm greedy). As for which one came up with the idea, I think it's arguable. Fair enough. I'll reword by saying it's one of the very few WMs (with ratpoison) to stray from the many floating, overlapping windows paradigm. Wirth's Oberon system also eschewed the overlapping windows. Not sure of the date. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No to wine! (was:Red Hat recommends...)
Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I was an avid OS/2 user at one time, until technology moved on and the logical switch for most OS/2 users was Linux. Your thoughts on using Win3.1 and OS/2 are interesting...except that Win3.1 was known to run better under OS/2. How very true. I was writing a textbook under W3.1 using Lotus Ami Pro (as it then was, an improvement on both its predecessors and its successors). Every time I tried to generate the TOC under plain W3.1 I got a BSOD. Running it under W3.1 under OS/2 it worked just fine. OS/2 did have its problems though: I had a printer problem during the install and every time I booted I had to confirm that the printer was not offline. Nothing I could do would change this - including deleting the printer and installing a fresh one... Still, life is so much easier now with debian... -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: allowing a normal user to work efficiently
Thus spake Ken Bloom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:20:22 +0200, Bijan Soleymani wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 11:34:52AM -0400, Roberto Sanchez wrote: For example imagine you make cat suid... Then someone can do: cat /bin/rm /bin/cat Interesting attack in theory, but it doesn't work. the correct command is cat /bin/rm /bin/cat and when you run that command, the pipe is handled by the unprivileged shell. cat -rf / Ah, but there's another thing: overwriting a setuid file turns the setuid bit off. (I think this was originally put into *nix for C2 certification) So it still wouldn't work. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: D-link DFE-530tx
Thus spake Rob Weir ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 12:25:42PM -0500, ScruLoose said The worst part is that I've heard a rumour saying the DFE-530TX comes with various different chipsets, so if yours is from a different batch/week/moodswing than mine, it may not be via-rhine at all. I don't actually _know_ this, but I've heard it on this mailing list. I don't know if the DFE-530TX uses more than one chipset, but the DFE-530TX+ uses a completely different one; tulip, IIRC. Sure screwed me around when I bought one of these d-link cards a few years back. It may be the chipset that is the problem. I have a DFE-530TX and it was so easy to get working (my desktop is running testing) that I bought another a few weeks later when my wife jumped ship to debian (from Windoze) and it worked a treat with woody. This was last Decemeber, so more recent cards may have a different chipset. My lspci says I have a 'rev A' card (although the Via Rhine chipset on it is apparently rev 43). -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound processing
Thus spake David Turetsky ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Pray tell, what software is out there to process/edit sound files? Will it allow intelligent cleaning up (filtering out specific sounds, raising the volume level, snipping out segments) of files Try audacity. And how can I then burn a CD converting to WAV format? I don't quite understand. cdrecord will burn wav's to CDs and GUI packages like XCDRoast use cdrecord. If you want actyual wav files on the CD, then you need to burn a data image, with the wav's as part of the hierarchy. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn
Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Joyce, Matthew wrote: Microsoft's software has always sucked, so I can't imagine they're losing too much sleep over quality or security, their Trusted Computing(tm) initiative notwithstanding. Excel is pretty neat and I wish there was a DOC Edit clone for linux. m Hi Matthew, Have you heard of the programs 'open office' and 'abiword'. they both can read and write DOC files. Also, despite earlier claims, OpenOffice has a presentation package and a pretty good filter for PowePoint (I have imported a 100-slide presentation with no major problems). And the 1.1 version is a real advance over the various 1.0.x flavours. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-get query
Pardon me if I should know this but: I'm a bit puzzled. I recently did a dist-upgrade on my notebook machine (previously running woody with the backported KDE3.1) in order to get openoffice 1.1. Everything went smoothly. I copied the sources.list from my office machine which for some months has been running testing together with the woody backport of KDE3.1 (this prevents upgrading a few packages - centring IIRC around libvorbis0/libvorbis0a, which stops me installing sox - but is otherwise very smooth), did an update then a dist-upgrade and all was hunky-dory. I told my wife I'd upgrade her machine (also running woody with the backported KDE3.1), because she wants OO1.1 too, so I once more copied the sources.list from my desktop. However: when I did the apt-get upgrade although it hit the KDE3.1 backport site it Ign[ored] the package list. When I tried to do a dist-upgrade it threatened to remove some 82 packages including KDE3.1 and all the KDE applications. Can someone explain why it does this? I assume that, because of the ingored package list, the KDE stuff wasn't in the cache and so apt thought (reasonably) that it should be remoced. But why ignore in the first place? I couldn't easily find an option to any apt-command which would tell me this. If it's any help I eventually did a plain upgrade, which upgraded a fair few packages to the testing version, the apt-get install openoffice.org, which worked just fine. However I still can't do a dist-upgrade without removing KDE3.1, so currently I'm typing this on my wife's machine, running a mixture of woody and testing. Not quite what I'd intended. Any help gratefully received. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Waaaaaay OT] Grammer
Thus spake Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): on Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 06:59:35PM +0100, Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 07:15:30AM -0700, Tom wrote: My personal pet peeve is: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=octopi oc?to?pus( P ) Pronunciation Key (kt-ps) n. pl. oc?to?pus?es or oc?to?pi (-p) Octopus is greek. The correct plural is octopuses damn it! ... so shouldn't it be 'octopedes' IIRC? Haralambos? hexadecipus The Greek plural would be octopodes. But the word is English, so the correct, non=-pedantic plural is octopuses. (See Eric Partridge's Usage and Abusage for more on pretentious plurals) -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UPgrade to testing breaks atitvout?
I've got a Dell Latutude Cpx notebook: P-III 650, 256MB RAM, ATI Mach64 video. For several months I've been happily running woody plus the backported KDE3.1. Last night I dist-upgraded to testing, although I'm still using the KDE3.1 for woody. (This combination has been running successfully on my desktop for months) I did this so as to get the new OpenOffice 1.1, which is in testing but not yet in stable. After the upgrade I rebooted (just to make sure) and everything seemed fine: KDE OK, OpenOffice, XEmacs, etc, etc, everything seemed fine. Until I took the machine into class this morning. I've been using the atitvout command to enable the CRT connection so that I can project the computer image onto a screen in class. This command has been excellent until now. Very occasionally it would fail, with a message about VBE and that perhaps my video card wasn't capable, but usually opening a new root shell window and rerunning would fix. Until today. Now atitviout consistently complains my video card lacks capability and, what is more, the keyboard BIOS method of swtiching from LCD to CRT (alas there is no use both which is why I started to use atitvout in the first palce) has also stopped working. I have more investigating to do but wonder if there are any known problems which people will recognise. This is a major pain and I may to either go back to woody (not something I really want to do) or, I suppose, I could run Knoppix - although it may not include atitvout.damn! Any help very gratefully received. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UPgrade to testing breaks atitvout?
Further investigation reveals that atitvout *does* work when the display is in text mode (i.e. if I Ctrl-Alt-F1) but refuses to work (VBE call error) when it's in graphics mode (i.e. when I'm, looking at the X display) I tried reverting to the saved XF86Config-4 but that didn't seem to make any significant difference. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax
Thus spake Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 04:15:48AM -0700, Tom wrote: [OT, sorry -- but question is obscure, will be hard to google] Are any non-english-speaking readers aware of High-level programming languages using non-English syntax? Like, could I find a French C compiler that uses pour instead of for and si instead of if? You could stick #include francais.h in your C source, where francais.h contains: #define pour for #define si if #define casser break or something like that... I notice we've all essentially been suggesting French *vocabulary* rather than syntax, as originally requested... However, once upon a time there was a French version of COBOL, in which all the English words were replaced by their French equivalents (OUVREZ for OPEN, etc). I've no idea what the status of the dialent is/was. Incidentally, few things can compare with the bizarre appearance of programs in COBOL (with its English keywords) written by non-English speakers. I can remember seeing COBOL programs written in Norwegian and Afrikaans, which (for the non-Norwegian and/or Afrikaans speaker) had to be seen to be believed. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ruby and Emacs support problem
Thus spake Bijan Soleymani ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 09:27:44PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm trying to install ruby support into xemacs21. I installed the ruby-elisp package and I still don't have ruby support in emacs. Has anyone experienced this problem? Should I have installed another package? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! Just a wild guess but does: M-x ruby-mode work? It might just be that it's not set to start using ruby-mode automatically when it recognizes ruby files. Or you might be using a different file extension that what it expects etc. I just tried doing a find-file (C-x, C-f) on a .rb file both in xemacs and emacs (bother version 21) and they both put me into ruby-mode as I would have hoped. I've not done anything in my .emacs to enable this, it just worked out of the box. Did either of these help? -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
libpthreads problem in testing
I upgrade my system last night (I'm running testing) and this morning I note that any program wanting to use the pthreads library failes with: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libpthread.so.0: invalid ELF header I've just tried another upgrade and there seems to be no fixed package yet. Any ideas? (And here I was thinking that by not running unstable I'd be safe from things like this..:-)) -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
More on libpthread problem
A little more investigation shows that /lib/libpthread.so.0 is a link to /lib/pthread-0.10.so, which is not a library, as expexcted, but an ASCII text file containing the following: /* GNU ld script Use the shared library, but some functions are only in the static library, so try that secondarily. */ OUTPUT_FORMAT(elf32-i386) GROUP ( /lib/libpthread.so.0 /usr/lib/libpthread_nonshared.a ) Looks as if the package maintainer skipped a step... -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Final note on libpthreads
Fortunately I had a backup up copy of /lib/libpthreads-0.10.so when I copied that back into /lib everything was OK again. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CUPS insisting on completing print job
I'm running woody with CUPs controlling an Epson C82. Problem: while configuring and testing a PDF converter in Open Office I accidentally sent a raw pdf file to the printer. 200+KB... And here is where the problem starts: I cannot persuade (presumably) CUPS to stop printing the damn thing. I've lprm'ed the request from the queue, I've turned off the printer, I've disconnected the power cable from the printer - for 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 24 HOURS!! (The manual says 10 seconds will clear the print buffer). I've rebooted, I've removed every damned file in the /var/spool/cups directory and still when I put paper in the printer it continues with the attempt to print raw PDF. Now, I know this is not the printer's fault because after the lest power disconnect I also disconnected the cable from the computer to the printer, then powered it up. No problem. However, reattach the printer cable and bingo - out comes the raw PDF again. This is a real problem, makes the printer unusable until I have finished printing all however many pages (at an average of 4-5 lines printed per page, 200+K is going to consume around 600 pages...) So, does anyone know how to get CUPS to *stop* retrying the printout. BTW the CUPS perinter page claims that the printer (all queues) is idle, accepting jobs. Well, something isn't idle. Any help at all will be greatly appreciated. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COBOL compiler
Thus spake Kirk Strauser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): At 2003-08-27T11:41:17Z, Pigeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To me, it seems that the obvious solution is to run the script through a Perl compiler, and produce a binary executable that should execute at the same order of speed as any other compiled HLL code. Perl is compiled into opcodes before execution begins. All Perl is compiled. Perl is byte-compiled (like java was intended, like python) which means that the resulting bytecode must still be interpreted, adding a level of overhead to compilation to native code. python actually can be frozen to produce an executable that does not require IIRC even the python runtime library to be present. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
Thus spake Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:01:48 -0500 Alex Malinovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also very reluctant to learn Python because I'm very adamant in how I use whitespace. Though I will need to pick it up sooner later. As well as Ruby and probably PHP as well. You can never know too many languages after all. :) That was one of two points that really stuck in my craw about Python. But ya know what? 2+ years later and now I go back to Perl code or poke through C code and I just find it nasty to paw through. And writing either of those, oy, don't even get me started. It's definitely something to get used to and the more used to doing things with block delimiters the more friction there is to doing it any other way. But I'd not go back and I wish other languages would take the same path. I agree 100%, although it was my encounter with Miranda c1986 that first prompted the I'll indent how I like reaction. But you are right, having to indent properly produces much cleaner-looking and easier to maintain code. And I really appreciate the latter after having spent several hours on afternoon about 15 years ago trying to find a bug in a C program (not written by me), and missing it because poor and inconsistent indentation by the original author made me misread the code. After I found the bug the next task I set myself,, before doing anything else, was to indent his code properly. All went much better after that. I also think that enforced indentation is a very good thing in a language used to teach programming - one of the things that makes python so good for that, in fact. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COBOL compiler
Thus spake Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 17:34, Paul M Foster wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:15:13AM -0500, Michael Heironimus wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:57:27PM -0400, Al Davis wrote: Learn the style, so when someone gives you a COBOL-style program in C++, you will understand it. Do not underestimate the value of this. You can take a COBOL programmer and teach him C/C++/Java (or whatever popular language), and he'll pick up the syntax just fine. And as soon as you tell him to write something he'll write code that looks EXACTLY like COBOL in C/C++/Java syntax. It will be unreadable, unmaintainable, and hopelessly inefficient, but nobody will ever have time for the rewrite it desperately needs. I've heard about this before, but I don't think I've ever seen it. Someday I'd like to see some COBOL-like code written in C. Instead of lots of small functions and a minimum of global variables, the classic code from a bad COBOL programmer forced to write C would have large main(), very few other functions, and all global variables. Which no doubt applied to the first few program I wrote in B (the first HLL I used after 6 years of COBOL and assembler), but reading other people's code is an excellent education. Just because somebody of necessity used COBOL first does not make them a bad person. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
Thus spake Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:21:05 -0700 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's relatively easy to learn, plus everybody else in the unix world uses C. It's portable. It helps to know your history: C was created to write unix to begin with. *cough, spit* I was able to grasp Turbo Pascal far before C. I had no problems with Perl. Hell, I learned Python in a week. C.. C I still poke at with a 2' stick in the eye and hope it goes away and I've taken several classes in C and have tried to work with it several times over the years. Nor does it help that the best-selling C book ever is, ahem, less-than-superbly-written. Incidentally Paul, C was derived from B (derived from BCPL) in order to *re*write Unix, which was originally written in assembler. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[nospam.list@unclassified.de: Re: COBOL compiler]
- Forwarded message from Yves Goergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Yves Goergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian-User [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: COBOL compiler Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:24:12 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Von: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:50, Kirk Strauser wrote: At 2003-08-26T12:52:33Z, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Too bad you have such a negative view of COBOL. In the hands of someone with a brain, it's quite a powerful and modular language. All Turing-complete languages are equally powerful. That doesn't mean that any given one would fill me with a desire to start hacking around with it. You know, I'd never seen Cobol before the screenshots on your link. Those just confirmed everything I've heard about it. :) For a Hello, World program, or an OS, or a graphics toolkit, even Admiral Hooper would not say that COBOL is the proper tool. OTOH, for large commercial apps, COBOL is far and away the best tool for the job. ehm, at my work, they have a real big host system. from what i've heard, it's programming language is cobol, running under a specific IBM OS. i don't know a lot of that stuff, but there'll be some good reasons why IBM did that. but my father (he knows cobol very well...) had massive problems coming from cobol (DOS) to some more current windows programming. from cobol, he has never seen multi-tasking/multi-threading concepts nor (graphical) windows, a mouse or even such principal programming language conepts as functions (!). one must imagine, how can cobol be an easy to understand and to maintain language if you're by design supposed to write spaghetti code like it was once in gwbasic? You are not supposed to write spaghetti code, but is certainly possible. When I was programming COBOL (there is no such thing as cobol BTW) for a living, almost 30 years ago, we very well knew how to build well-structured code. IMHO any C/pascal-like language or partially still (visual) basic seems far more fiendly to me. and i was involved in the developemt of some bigger (partly commercial) applications now, and i must say that VB and VC++ are very good tools for such. They seem more friendly because you are more familiar with them. I know people who feel exactly the opposite. No COBOL doesn't scale up particularly well (although the largest program I wrote in the language had 5,000 of PROCEDURE DIVISION) but neither do the C family nor the pascal family. There is no such thing as a universal programming language, well-suited to all tasks - IBM tried to create one 40 year ago, it was PL/1. and, yes - i'm a student, too. (you may think of me what you stated above, it may be right or not) I'm afraid that he is correct that students do not have the perspective that comes with experience in the field. Hardly their fault, but they should be aware of their own limitations. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian's guerilla tactics
For complicated and tedious reasons I am running Mandrake on my office system (although oth my home systems and my wife's are proudly running 'the one true distro'). Anyway, when I connect to my office machine using vnc from home I run icewm. When I see the default icewm desktop, there, slap bang in the middle, is the Debian logo. Makes me feel more confident somehow:-) -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Florida! (was Re: Knoppix ISO image is 715MB - How Do I burn it ?)
Thus spake Travis Crump ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 02:18:19PM -0400, Stephen Touset wrote: Name one democracy we've set up. I'll bet you my right knuckle that each and every one is a democracy in name only, and a republic in practice. Not even a republic. Nicaragua: Dictatorship. Afghanistan (America brought Osama to power to begin with): Dictatorship. Iraq (America installed Saddam): Dictatorship. Name one republic America's created. the Phillipines, Panama, Haiti, Japan, West Germany... I think others had hands in setting up Japan and (W) Germany at the end of WWII. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good Open Source Web Development software
Thus spake Clive Menzies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On (09/06/03 14:03), Kevin Griffis wrote: I would like to eventually do all my web development on my Linux laptop and ditch FrontPage altogether. I am planning to build a site on a LAMP machine and was wondering what Open Source web design tools are out there for Debian. Does anyone have any recommendations? We're evaluating bluefish, quanta plus and maya currently . Bluefish so far looks OK but it is only an alpha release. Which, in my experience, in the Linux world doesn't necessarily signifiy. I've been using alpha versions of XCDRoast for nearly 4 years now with no problem. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix ISO image is 715MB - How Do I burn it ?
Thus spake John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Deryk Barker writes: Actually it's mainly the hard drive manufacturers. And the ISO. To them 1GB = 1,000,000,000 as you note above. Correct. Giga - 10^9 = 1,000,000,000. Of course, most software does the right thing and report in terms of powers of 2, where 1GB = 1,073,741,824. Incorrect. Gibi - 2^30 = 1,073,741,824. Which, unless my eyes are far worse than my optician thinks, is *precisely* the number I entered above. Evidently I'm missing your point. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix ISO image is 715MB - How Do I burn it ?
Thus spake Roberto Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): --- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 12:28:08PM +0300, Aryan Ameri wrote: It has always worked for me. I use eroaster to burn CDs, and (for no appaent reason) the Knoppix iso image fits on a 700 MB CD. There is a feature in eroaster (which is just a frontend anyway) which allows over burning. I guess it has something to do with this option. Actually, it has more to do with the fact that the metric system gets weird with computers. Kilo, mega, giga, etc are working off base 2 instead of base 10 numbering. This means a kilobyte is 1024 bytes, a megabyte is 1024 kilobytes, and 715,000,000 bytes is 698.2 MB, not 715 MB. That is true only in the technical sense. I.e., the spec sheet for my laptop says it has a 20GB harddrive (and in 2 pt. font, at the bottom, they define a GB as 1,000,000,000 bytes). So, in the technical sense, my drive is only 18.6 GB (20e9/1024^3). Leave it up to the marketing types to cloud the issue. Actually it's mainly the hard drive manufacturers. To them 1GB = 1,000,000,000 as you note above. In my experience all hard drives are spec'ed this way. Of course, most software does the right thing and report in terms of powers of 2, where 1GB = 1,073,741,824. Memory, OTOH (and thank heavens) isn't. At least, I've never noticed being shortchanged on a memory module. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVDs reproduction a little slow
Thus spake Sara ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Hi again! I wondered if anyone knew anything I could do to improve the reproduction of DVDs. Trying different players (Ogle, Xine, Vlc), and running them even as root, I always have the same problem: the images freeze a little. I can watch the DVD, but it's a little annoying. I have plenty of memory and a fast processor, so I don't think that's the problem :). Anyway, I've noticed that the process associated to the DVD player does use a low porcentage of the total system memory. I've tried to run the players as root and happens the same. Any ideas? :) Check that DMA is turned on on the DVD-ROM hdparm -d /dev/hdc you'll need to do this as root and you'll need the hdparm package. If it's not on, try turning it on: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc it will make all the difference. If it's already on, I can't help you...but I'm betting it's not. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
Thus spake Conrad Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): From Matthew Daubenspeck on Tuesday, 2003-03-18 at 11:27:12 -0500: On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 04:01:18PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: A preliminary attempt to set up CUPS was rather demanding and I'm wondering if there is much point on a single-user system. Most of my printing is quite straightforward (plain text and only occasional images) and it works well with apsfilter or magicfilter, so is there any reason to spend several hours trying to get CUPS to work? Any significant advantage with that system? I could NEVER get CUPS working, but I will admit the setup is a bit strange. I have the local spooler collect jobs and route them to a bunch of HP JetDirect printers. Like I said, with CUPS, this never worked. I gave up, installed lprng and it worked within 5 minutes. My only problem in setting up CUPS was that the drivers for my printer (Epson Stylus Color 800) did not work. I saw something in the manual about difficulties with long parallel port cables (mine is 3m), but this had never been a problem before. Hmmm. I used to use my Stylus Color 850 quite succesfully (until the damn thing broke). Now using a Styls C82, also installed via CUPS in around 30 seconds. Tip: use the web interface to CUPS, it's so much easier. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bad Debian (L.A.H.)
All I know is that I've had Suse 8.0 on my office machine since last September and as soon as I get a free couple of days, it's coming off and debian going on. I don't like the controlling sense I get from SuSe (an anal-retentive's distro?) particularly the fact that every time I install or update a piece of software (no matter how small) the system has to update the linker cache which always seems to take several minutes (this on a 1.6GHz P4 with 256MB, hardly a low end machine). In a nutshell: I feel constrained by SuSe, I feel liberated by Debian. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade to KDE 3.1
Thus spake Fraser Campbell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): ... What I would usually do (and there may be a better way) is on the new PC I would add the appropriate URL to /etc/apt/sources.list for retreiving the debs and then run an apt-get update to make the computer aware of the available updates. Next I would copy all of the debs to /var/cache/apt/archives on the new PC and simply run apt-get dist-upgrade. This way you can use apt to solve any dependency issues for you but still use the pre-downloaded files. I did this on my wife's machine, going from 2.2 (standard woody) to 3.1 and some packages were not updated properly - in fact I think they were removed and no replacement installed. Unfortunately I cannot recall the details - it was moderately traumatic, as I thought she'd said to go ahead and do it and she thought she hadn't It's all OK now, but it wasn't as smooth as it could have been. caveat emptor. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GeForce4 MX
Thus spake Emma Jane Hogbin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 09:33:46PM -0600, Chris Burns wrote: I just upgraded from a GeForceDDR to a GeForce4 MX and of course my XWindows system stopped working. I checked out the log, and it seems that the nv driver i'm using only wants to work on nvidia cards up to the GeForce3, at least taht's what the string listing the supported cards says. Do i really need a new driver, and if so, how do i get it and load it? I can't tell you if you really need a new driver or not but I have been having some problems myself. This is how I solved it: I upgraded to the unstable version of XFree86 and that works just fine. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Curious...Are most of you in tech-related careers/schooling?
Thus spake Lloyd Zusman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): ... Linux is a version of Unix that first came out in the mid-1990's. So by now, it's part of the nearly 30-year evolution of the original Unix. I think it's worth pointing out that the original unix was very seriously based on (concepts of) the Multics operating system. Even the original spelling (Unics) was a punning reference. Richie and Thompson both worked on the Multics project while Bell Labs was still part of it (they withdrew in 1969). The system began development in 1965, went live in 1969 and the last system was shut off in October 2000... There's much more information on the greatest OS ever at http://www.multicians.org/ -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNU Emacs tutorial?
Thus spake Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 02:02:05AM -0800, Adam Kao wrote: When I learned Emacs (almost 20 years ago) there was a nifty tutorial. Now I can't find it in the info hierarchy. Has it been retired? How should a novice start learning Emacs? Start emacs, hit C-h t (control-h lower-case T) to open it. Alternatively, RTFM. When you start up emacs with no file to edit, it always (in my experience) presents you with an opening screen which tells you, inter alia, how to *quit* emacs and how to run the tutorial. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Komodo Monitor
Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I have the woody linux, Geforce video-card a Komodo 16 monitor 1280x1024 @60HZ and error NO SCREEN Found. What should I do to get X to work. The problem is not in monitor. You should download the drivers. You should download nVidia (proprietary) drivers from their website and follow the instructions in README file provided. He also doesn't mention *which* Geforce card he has. As I recently discovered, support of the Gefore 4 requires the unstable version of xserver-xfree86 - even the one in testing is too old. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE weirdness
I wonder if somebody can help with this odd problem... Just installed my new system (unstable) and most things are working satisfactorily, except... When I log in under KDE sound stops working. TO be precise, any applicatino that tries to send sound (to /dev/dsp?) hangs - it looks very much as if something has created a lock and won't let it go. When I go to control center and test the sound - bing! out comes the little KDE burble. When I shut down KDE and log in using another WM everything is just fine. Sounds like some sort of KDE configuration thing, except that my about-to-be-decommissioned system is running the same software and sound works under KDE just fine. One wrinkle: when I log on as root under KDE the burble is played during the logon process. When I log on as a ormal user it isn't.. Any pointers gratefully received. For all its problems I like and am used to KDE and don't want to have to make the switch to some other WM just now. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Office 1.0.1 problem under testing
Thus spake Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Shawn Lamson wrote: I believe the package is actually titled openoffice.org so apt-get install openoffice.org should do it. if it doesnt please write back with your sources.list For some reason I think you need to do: apt-get install openoffice.org openoffice.org-bin And depending on your setup maybe: apt-get install openoffice.org/unstable apt-get install openoffice.org-bin/unstable After much toing and froing I finally bit the bullet and dist-uprgaded to unstable. Now OpenOffice works! (I guess the problem was the Xfree 4.2.1-3 nv driver; I'm now running 4.2.1-4). Of course, as noted yesterday, now kde doesn't -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ASUS A7V333 MB sound
Does anyone hear have a fairly recent A7V333 MB and have sound working? I'm just building the system and can't get it to work - keep getting no such device problems. The cmpci driver loads OK but - and I'm getting suspicious - the onboard sound enable/disable jumpers are not on the MB (although the legend is and there are rear sound connectors) and the BIOS has no reference to sound at all. I'm sure an off-list reply would be better. Thanks. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Open Office 1.0.1 problem under testing
AS I am building a new system, it seemed a good idea to download the latest Open Office (1.0.1) rather than simply copy 1.0 across from my old system. I am running (new system) testing, BTW. So, I download the tarball, untar, install as root, change to a non-root window and run setup (as per install instructions). Everything is fine to this point. But them why I try and run it, it looks OK, but as soon as I press a key or click on the mouse out (in the xterm from which I ran soffice) comes the message: Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence some-hex-value)! and OO freezes. Rebooting doesn't help. And oddly, running soffice as root does work, which makes it sound like a permissions problem, but I've no idea what. Anyone any ideas Or do I got back to version 1.0? (Which I've happily run under Mandrake 8.1, Suse 8.0 and the current unstable debian). -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Office 1.0.1 problem under testing
Thus spake Mark Janssen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 20:11, Deryk Barker wrote: AS I am building a new system, it seemed a good idea to download the latest Open Office (1.0.1) rather than simply copy 1.0 across from my old system. I am running (new system) testing, BTW. Just install the openoffice package that is in testing (it's been in unstable for quite some time now) Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be on the mirrors I have in my sources.list (I did look via dselect before going to the OO site). Do you have a mirror you can point me at? -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Open Office under testing
As a P.S. to my previous exchange: unfortunately the package I found at various mirrors requires later version of certain libraries (e.g. libstdc++5) than are currently in testing... Ah well, it's back to the 1.0 tarball. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Office under testing
Thus spake Deryk Barker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): As a P.S. to my previous exchange: unfortunately the package I found at various mirrors requires later version of certain libraries (e.g. libstdc++5) than are currently in testing... Ah well, it's back to the 1.0 tarball. Unfortunately, after much messing around, 1.0 gives me the same Xlib error messgage. And running as root is OK. Hmmm - an Xlib bug? Permissions? Any ideas? -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Office under testing
Thus spake Dale Hair ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 14:35, Deryk Barker wrote: As a P.S. to my previous exchange: unfortunately the package I found at various mirrors requires later version of certain libraries (e.g. libstdc++5) than are currently in testing... Ah well, it's back to the 1.0 tarball. -- You might try adding this to your sources.list. I believe it is 1.0.1-5+woody6, at least it shows up in aptitude as an available version. I'm currently running an unstable version but still have this line in my sources.list. # OpenOffice deb http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/openoffice/ testing main contrib Thanks, but this doesn't work either! Everything appeasr to install OK, when I try to run the setup fails: firstly it complained that it couldn't find setup - and indeed it wasn't there, but setup.bin was. So I hardlinked setup to setup.bin, ditto the other.bin files in the directory. Now when I try it it says that it can't find libcomphelp2.so - which also exists. I'm starting to tear my hair out over this: I *must* have OO running on my new machine before I can hand the old one over to my wife as promised... -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Office under testing
Thus spake Deryk Barker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): ... OK, when I try to run the setup fails: firstly it complained that it couldn't find setup - and indeed it wasn't there, but setup.bin was. So I hardlinked setup to setup.bin, ditto the other.bin files in the directory. Now when I try it it says that it can't find libcomphelp2.so - which also exists. So I then set LD_LIBVRARY_PATH to /usr/lib/openoffice/program, upon which it started complaining about missing .so.3 library. S, I made symbolic links to each of these as it complained about them. Finally setup ran to the point of aborting...but the maybe it's a font is IMHO highly unlikely as setup ran OK for both 1.0 and 1.0.1 from the tarballs. I'm wondering if my original problem was the nv driver. I know it's possible to run this on my hardware, as my initial basic test was to fire up Knoppix (and OO under that). No problems. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DLINK DFE-530TX install problems
I'm trying to install woody on a new machine, which has, among other things, a DLINK DFE-530TX network card (and yes, before anyone asks, I'm sure it's not a 530TX+) This is apparently supported by the via-rhine driver. When installing I pick this module and it installs fine, but the network is unavailable. Having configured the base system (from CD) and rebooted, everything seems OK: the module loads and reports back seeming OK values from eth0 (VIA VT6201 Rine-II etc) However the network won't come up. When I try doing an ifup I get SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable. And any attempt to access the network gives Network is unreachable errors. Anyone have any ideas? It's been too long since I messed about at this level... -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DLINK DFE-530TX install problems
Thus spake mess-mate ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Have the same (DFI 530TX) and runs fine. See what my kernel reported : via-rhine.c:v1.10-LK1.1.13 Nov-17-2001 Written by Donald Becker Dec 19 12:51:56 eric kernel: http://www.scyld.com/network/via-rhine.html Dec 19 12:51:56 eric kernel: eth0: VIA VT3043 Rhine at 0x6600, 00:80:c8:ec:94:29, IRQ 11. I just tried installing using the bf24 flavour and so far everything seems OK - I've just apt-got much of the system... -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Configuring XFree86 version 4
Has anyone persuaded the confiuration of xserver-xfree86 version 4 to produce a usable XF86Config-4? I've tried saying both yes and no to the framebuffer questin, which was fingered in an earlier discussion of this, but neither works, and I'm stuck in the no screens found mess. Is there something obvious to look for? (Using Gefore 4 MX - vesa driver - and generic monitor 1024x768@70Hz). -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuring XFree86 version 4
Thus spake Bob Proulx ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Deryk Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-12-19 14:27:15 -0800]: Has anyone persuaded the confiuration of xserver-xfree86 version 4 to produce a usable XF86Config-4? Yes. Many times. I've tried saying both yes and no to the framebuffer questin, which was fingered in an earlier discussion of this, but neither works, and I'm stuck in the no screens found mess. Start with framebuffer no. Some drivers support it and some do not. The 'nv' free software nvidia driver does not, for example. But the proprietary nvidia driver does. Is there something obvious to look for? (Using Gefore 4 MX - vesa driver - and generic monitor 1024x768@70Hz). To the best of my knowledge the nVidea GeForce uses the 'nv' driver not the 'vesa' driver. But I only have installed about six of those so far and so I could be wrong. Try reconfiguring using 'nv' with framebuffer no. I am guessing that will work. 'fraid not - No Devices found. The latest hardware compatibility HOWTO says that vesa is the module to use for Geforce 4. ... Have you installed 'gpm', yes or no? Do you have a usb, ps2, imps2 or other mouse. Might as well ask as those will be the next questions. No to gpm. ps2 mouse. I had this same problem when I installed debian on my (about to be) ex-machine (TNT2 card). Eventually I cheated by retrieving the old config file M*ke had built for me. Unfortunately that doesn't work on the new system - and I'd like to be able to let debconf manage XF86Config-4. I have tried the simple, medium and advanced options in attempting to reconfigure and they all resuilt in the same problem: Screen(s) found but none have a usable configuration -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuring XFree86 version 4
One further piece of info: I tested the new system out by booting Knoppix, which ran just fine. So I thought I could snag the XF86Config-4 from that - put it onto floppy (!) etc. Did all that and it still didn't work - but the Knoppix-derived config used the nv driver and Knoppix is based on unstable. I'm dist-upgrading to testing right now to see if there's a new enough nv driver in that... -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuring XFree86 version 4
Thus spake Deryk Barker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): One further piece of info: I tested the new system out by booting Knoppix, which ran just fine. So I thought I could snag the XF86Config-4 from that - put it onto floppy (!) etc. Did all that and it still didn't work - but the Knoppix-derived config used the nv driver and Knoppix is based on unstable. I'm dist-upgrading to testing right now to see if there's a new enough nv driver in that... Which there is. So, just so's we all know: the nv driver in Xfree86 4.0 does *not* support Geforce 4 cards; the nv driver in XFree86 4.2 does. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Remember when hard disk sizes were in MiB?
Thus spake Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 13:42, Narins, Josh wrote: Yeah, I remember when we just had rocks and sticks. Don't be snide, you young whippersnapper! I'm not even 40... A former boss of mine worked on the IBM 1403, which had hard disks, but only the most minimal OS. Thus, one had to remember which cylinder/sector that your file started on. I don't go back to the 1403, although the first program I ever wrote was for an IBM 7090, but even the 370 lite OS, DOS, sometimes required this knowledge - for temporary files IIRC (it's been 25 years). -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: functional languages (was: Politics of Java)
Thus spake Craig Dickson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Pete Harlan wrote: Lisp and Scheme are not functional languages. A functional languge is one that doesn't support mutating data; Lisp and Scheme very much do. I certainly agree about Lisp. With Scheme, it's a bit trickier, especially since the history is that Scheme was first invented to be a Lisp-like language for programming with functions using recursion, first-class functions, dynamic scoping, and continuations -- essentially Lisp with the most non-FP features thrown out, plus dynamic scoping and continuations, which were not features of Lisp, and are very common in modern functional languages. By today's standards, Scheme is certainly not a pure functional language, but whether it is an impure one, or not one at all, is not so easy to say. Opinions vary. I'd certainly want to call it functional and would go further and say that LISP is also an impure functional language. PH's dikat is IMHO a little too rigid. What about Milner's SML, which also supports side-effects. That is invariably, in my experience, referred to as a functional language. The importance of LISP, Scheme, ML, Miranda, et. al. is surely the establishing of a functional programming *style*, which these languages encourage (to a greater or lesser extent). After all, you *can* do FP in C or Pascal - it's just a lot more work. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Distribution tailored for education
My department has recently (hallelujah!) and after much controversy decided to install linux in our labs. It will have to be dual bot with Windoze, but that's life, and by the by. What I was wodnering was this: it seemed a good idea to produce our own distribution which we could hand to the students (particularly the first years, some of whom have very little experience) for them to install on their home systems and have the same desktop setup as at school. (Before I go on I should point out that we are a community college, not high school, so our requirements are somewhat different - e.g. java) It also seemed obvious to me (the recent convert) that basing it on RH or similar would be creating an ongoing upgrade problem for ourselves and the students (and the distinct likelihood of their getting themselves into RPM dependency hell - I spent some time there myself before seeing the light) so I now need to persuade our very RH-oriented techhie to go with Debian. So: am I about to reinvent the wheel? Has somebody already done this or similar? Are there any resources people know about? Pointers? Suggestions? -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recording DAO CD's
Thus spake Edward Guldemond ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 06:58:21PM +0200, chainy wrote: I cannot use cdrdao directly to copy cd's because I have problems extracting the tracks, it seems like the drivers in it wont fit with my CD-ROM drive. Anyone knows how to record an audio CD in DAO mode (to eliminate the 2 seccond gap between tracks), If I already have the tracks extracted? First of all, what drivers on cdrdao are you using? It uses (or used, because it might have changed) cdparanoia to extract the tracks. Try using the drivers generic-mmc-raw and generic-mmc in that order. I found that my DVD drive is generic-mmc and my CD-R is generic-mmc-raw, but ymmv. Having answered that, if you've extracted the tracks with cdparanoia or cdda2wav, you just need to write a toc file. The specificiations for which is in the cdrdao man page. Or you can fire up gcdmaster and create a project using it's GUI. I use XCDroast almost exclusively and have no problem assembling audio CDs from tracks I've created myself and then burning it DAO. Sometimes the GUI interface really is easier to use/get right. (But only sometimes) -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Just a tip for you zip100 users
Thus spake John Manko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): ... well, i wonder. I have only 2 IDE devices, so why are they mounting as hdc and hdd instead of hda and hdb? That does seem strange. Are they. perchance, attached to the *second* connector on your IDE system? MNost EIDE adapters (and MBs) have two connectors and can support 4 devices. But linux will not simply assign hda to the first available device, etc; hda is the first device on the first chain, etc. Just a thought. I believe you could change this with boot parameters. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
