Re: 2 TB HDD not automounting under Debian.
Maybe the drive is formatted NTFS? NTFS drives won't automount under my Ubuntu system, either. However, the older FAT partitions had a file size limit that was too low for todays media so newer large drives don't use it. On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 5:51 PM, shirish शिरीष shirisha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, This is on a testing machine What happened is I bought a 2 TB Seagate Backup Plus Slim couple of days ago. The system is an old system having few USB 2 ports while the HDD is USB 3 but supposedly backward compatible. I can see the HDD via lsusb and fdisk but for some reason it's unable to automount it. Any ideas what could be the issue ? Sharing what I saw :- $ lsusb Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0bc2:ab24 Seagate RSS LLC Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:c05a Logitech, Inc. M90/M100 Optical Mouse Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub As can be seen there are few USB 1.1 ports and few 2.0 ports. As can be seen Seagate attaches and declares itself at Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0bc2:ab24 . I also checked via fdisk -l and got the following :- $ sudo fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 931.5 GiB, 1000204886016 bytes, 1953525168 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0xc5f7c5f7 Device Boot StartEndSectors Size Id Type /dev/sda1 63 102398309 102398247 48.8G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda2102398371 1953523711 1851125341 882.7G f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sda5102398373 204796619 102398247 48.8G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda6 * 204797952 595421183 390623232 186.3G 83 Linux /dev/sda7595423232 790732799 195309568 93.1G 83 Linux /dev/sda8790734848 1943076863 1152342016 549.5G 83 Linux /dev/sda9 1943078912 1953523711 10444800 5G 82 Linux swap / Solaris Partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary. Partition 3 does not start on physical sector boundary. Partition 6 does not start on physical sector boundary. Disk /dev/sdb: 1.8 TiB, 2000398933504 bytes, 3907029167 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x1bc6b3bc Device Boot StartEndSectors Size Id Type /dev/sdb1 2048 952322047 95232 454.1G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sdb2952322048 1904642047 95232 454.1G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sdb3 1904642048 2856962047 95232 454.1G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sdb4 2856962048 3907026943 1050064896 500.7G f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sdb5 2856964096 3907026943 1050062848 500.7G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT Except for /dev/sdb4 which says it's W95 the rest of them seem to be ok. Then why it is that the disk does not automount ? I have Seagate Expansion disks and they mount under nautilus or any other file storage viewer but not this. Looking forward to know what could possibly be the reason and if it's not related to the kernel guide me to the proper package for the same. Thank you. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com EB80 462B 08E1 A0DE A73A 2C2F 9F3D C7A4 E1C4 D2D8 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadddzrmgd3wgjh4jw9yc4jyugg-pqfz2siex2jan6-vzsqa...@mail.gmail.com -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cakdxfko0cgrvujjuvjko4y59b+nu19cxb+mvkdqujdrcxju...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Migrating 32 - 64
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 8/11/2013 4:08 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: I recently went through the exercise of putting a GbE NIC into an old 32 bit x86 machine w/PCI only. The first card I purchased, a $10 USD TP-Link w/RTL8169, couldn't power on. It is a 3.3v only card that the manufacturer claimed was universal. Universal cards are 5v and 3.3v. This is a guessing game with most cheap RTL and Marvel based cards. The motherboard in this case is PCI 5v only. I ate the $10 NIC putting it on a shelf because return shipping + restocking fee is almost $10. Second time around I emailed the e1000 driver list. An Intel engineer responded and verified that the universal model of the Pro/1000 GT should work. Ordered one for $32 + shipping, plugged it in, and it works great. So I spent $42 + shipping times two to get a GbE NIC into this machine. Moral of the story? The OP may need to spend ~$30 USD for an Intel PCI NIC to guarantee it'll work on the first go. He probably gave not much more than this for entire used machines. Factor in that you can get a brand new mobo/cpu/RAM combo with GbE and GPU today for ~$100 USD, and spending any money for just the GbE NIC for the old machine seems not a prudent investment. In my case I upgraded and kept the machine in question running due to sentimental reasons. Otherwise I'd have swapped the entire guts for about 3x the money and had a much faster and more power efficient machine. -- Stan About a year ago it was hard to find _any_ new motherboard with a NIC which was supported under Linux: http://ask.slashdot.org/story/12/12/28/163211/ask-slashdot-linux-friendly-motherboard-manufacturers -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkMDtN6xTf-4wFB5-tGjnnj4_4Mpb=_=LPqt=9dpmjf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Highlighting CLI output: what are these terms called?
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Those are escape sequences from VT100 IIRC. And, if I am not wrong, they are quite the same as those used in ecma-48, which have free (as in free beer) specifications downloadable here: http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-048.htm Have fun :) Note: this spec is quite easy to read, unlike many other I have read. Thanks. It might be an easy read, but at 108 pages it is a long one! I'll go through it, though. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkm7puf+yqv0yqtv+4sbctq4msq29tlv7xcowggxamg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Highlighting CLI output: what are these terms called?
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: The only regexp replacement in the right hand side is $. The perlre docs say: man perlre $ returns the entire matched string. (At one point $0 did also, but now it returns the name of the program.) This comes from use in 'sed'. In sed the docs say: man sed s/regexp/replacement/ Attempt to match regexp against the pattern space. If successful, replace that portion matched with replacement. The replacement may contain the special character to refer to that portion of the pattern space which matched, and the special escapes \1 through \9 to refer to the corresponding matching sub-expressions in the regexp. And can be used like this: $ echo fore | sed 's/fore/be/' before All of the \e [ (escape bracket) patterns are terminal escape sequence colors as the others mentioned. Personally I find using them like that annoying since they are non-portable. It would be better to use 'tput' to generate those from the terminfo data instead. tail -f file.log | perl -pe 's/keyword/\e[1;31;43m$\e[0m/g' Instead of that I would be inclined to use grep's --color option. Same thing but easier to type and remember. tail -f file.log | grep --color keyword Thank you Bob. I like how you get to the source (sed) and to the problem (use grep). Very informative, and I'll be reading this post a few times over. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkn9z8xovqgfwpdsawkyj4gxsowzuaufqebdf2p9vlo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Highlighting CLI output: what are these terms called?
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Chris Davies ch...@roaima.co.uk wrote: These escape sequences do not need to be embedded into your programs; they can be derived in a terminal-independent manner. See man 5 terminfo for gory details. Here's an example that will display world in standout - but only on suitably capable terminals: echo Hello $(tput smso)world$(tput rmso) as you can see. Thank you, that is interesting. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkPjP+PEL=xkzxc9cu5qf0msbvmto3rynzqoxgpc5ye...@mail.gmail.com
Highlighting CLI output: what are these terms called?
The following page has a nice example of how to highlight text in logfiles: http://www.euperia.com/linux/how-to-highlight-keywords-when-using-tail/903 Here is the example: tail -f file.log | perl -pe 's/keyword/\e[1;31;43m$\e[0m/g' What are the regex replacements in the second part of the replace called? They are rather hard to goolge for without a name! If anybody has a good resource bookmarked with examples, I would love to see that as well. Thank you! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkp0ffj6_5fdenig77j_i_5gtmpawkhb+ae11evxrrr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Highlighting CLI output: what are these terms called?
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Loïc Grenié loic.gre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, these are ANSI escape codes, ANSI escape sequences, ANSI control codes, ANSI control sequences, ... Great, thank you Loïc. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkMLdenDvF62o+5y=RmJ2WGFBhNzZDXoxF3TDdJ4K=-s...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to practice.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: Ok I have been working in IT network field since 7 years and just one and half year back i have started exploring Linux and I believe, someone said to me lately that if you start loving black and white terminal then you will never look back to Windows GUI. I literally can experience this thing at the stage I am standing with Linux. As I consider myself a newbie in Linux but according to my previous experience if i don’t practice I will forget things very easy (as there are tons of commands to remember which I will forget with less or 0 practice). so i am here to ask all the old Pros that how you guys manage to remember all the commands and practice all the previous work. Since after the deployment of some Linux services there is only the log which i have to see for further errors. So how it is possible to keep in my mind all the old stuff and along with that I can move forward with the new goals. Salam, Muhammad! Almost anything that you need to practice on the computer, you can practice with this Anki: http://ankisrs.net/index.html I have a few Anki decks for Linux commands and also for programming. I don't know what I would do without it. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfknkjbdwr8wuybmnzsatabng7qgscgu+93hzm0t-riz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: SOLIDWORKS
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, solidworks performance relies heavily on hardware accelerated graphics. I'd be surprised to see wine handle this smoothly. I've heard rumors of games running better under Wine than pure Windows. That is not rumor, I understand from trolling the Wine list that is because the Wine devs pay special attention to some popular games so that they run well (WoW for instance), and Linux resource usage is much lower that Windows + Firewall + Antivirus + installed Crapware (every printer, modem, and mouse wants the user to install some application). -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkmta0rw-akosxiprzk0wkq3r886lejeoupsx2vxm2q...@mail.gmail.com
Re: SOLIDWORKS
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Alex Padoly alex.pad...@laposte.net wrote: Hi, Which GNU package I can installed on DEBIAN WORKSTATION to work as SOLIDWORKS. Thanks! The last time that I spoke to a Solidworks rep about Linux support, he was very excited that I asked and he instructed me to direct my question here: http://www.solidworks.com/sw/9757_ENU_HTML.htm He was also a Linux user and he says that the company is just waiting for critical mass to start working on the project full time. Note that the company's website already states Linux on the download page, as some of the lesser products have already been ported. So every letter counts! I do not know how effective the approach would be for AutoCAD, but it won't hurt so contact them as well: http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112id=12338355 -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfko8m7f4amb9accyh5eji+3tuwsapj1odpsgou5enws...@mail.gmail.com
Re: correct English usage
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2012 14:41:48 you wrote: Colloquial English is liberal to change, but software manuals should not be written in colloquial English. There is a more professional language that should be used in manuals. You are being deliberately perverse. Am I? I just bothered to look up the names of English writing styles. I do not claim to be an English language expert, but I can identify problems when they are obvious enough. There exists a writing style called technical and if a manual writer cannot manage that, then he should err on the side of formal, not casual, in my opinion. That said, many FOSS manuals and UI elements are written in the casual or even in street vernacular. O.K., let's just accept that you are right because you always are, and you know more about English than educated native English speakers. A personal attack! I love that, as Thatcher had observed obviously you cannot refute my logic so you try to discredit my person. I did not even realize that this was an argument, rather I thought it was a discussion. I won't participate in an online argument. If you would like to discuss, then I value your opinion. If your English were as good as you claim, you would understand what I am talking about. I am not talking about colloquial English. The onus is on me to decipher your hints and allusions? Furthermore, I recall no claims of my own to any level of English proficiency. I don't want either slang or hip-hop used in manuals (and was it really necessary to swear?), but I do want the manual to be comprehensible; which it is unlikely to be if it contains obsolete or very rare words, and weird, obsolete, never used, or just plain wrong grammatical constructions. I agree that obscure meanings should be avoided just as slang should be. But the real problem is grammar. No, it's not. Grammar changes as words do. I still use the present subjunctive when talking English. I am putting effort into trying to stop because the present subjunctive is obsolete, and was almost so when I was young. The imperfect subjunctive is showing signs of disappearing now. Thank you for the big scary words. I happen to actually understand them, but as they are an attempt to subvert and filibuster the discussion (or was it an argument) I'll ignore them. Although I do agree that a passive tense is preferable to an imperative tense in regard to technical writing, the specifics of it might as well be at the author's discretion so long as the writing style does not digress to casual. There is no point in arguing with you. You are so convinced of your own perfection that you do not even bother to read what other people are saying. Another personal attack, putting words in my mouth (I never said that I was perfect) and then refuting them. I believe that there is a term for that. Like your ad hominem attack above, that is a sign of one who is loosing an argument. I suggest that you keep this a conversation, not an argument, since despite your impressive knowledge of English tenses you seem to have ignored the finer points of arguing. If you ever get to the stage of considering the possibility that you just might be wrong, you might like to consider that your English is far from perfect, and it is wrong in the wrong ways. If I thought that I was right, I would not participate in this discussion. I happen to enjoy learning. You probably have something to teach me, but you prefer to insult and attack me. I wonder why that is. By the way, where did I swear? I'm not repeating it. It is unpleasant and unnecessary. Your English is, after all, perfect. Why do you need me to tell you what you have said? I see. Another red herring. I should have recognized it. You are insufferable, Dotan. I think you are the most self-opinionated person I have ever come across. You are talking nonsense where English is concerned. Go and vent your omniscience on someone else. Will do. I wish to you a peaceful life. Should you ever feel to be civil towards me, I will happily reengage discussion with you. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkmyecsb69kzapw6fzu1epdqyywnv-xq+kyaxza4iya...@mail.gmail.com
Re: correct English usage
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 18:56, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Dotan - this was sent to you off-list when you wrote to me off-list, to try and preempt one of your interminable off-list bullying threads. I had noticed that at some point some of the messages had gone off-list, so I put them back on list when I noticed. The Gmail reply function sometimes replies on-list and sometimes off. I should have taken better notice. Going through the tread, I see that the first off-list message was in fact by you to me, with this message-id: Message-Id: 201204040830.08912.lisi.re...@gmail.com If you don't remember doing that to me, then you have a very short memory. Going through my archives, I see that you did message me off list in May 2010. You accused me of being insensitive, then we reconciled when it became obvious that we both have experience with the matter at hand (disability). And you are right, I did forget about that. I happily dismiss any altercations. I will not participate in an off-list argument. I have no drive to prove myself right, nor any desire to trade insults. If there is any content from which I can learn in a message, then that message is best in a public forum where all might learn. I should end this message with a reminder of the times in which we had civil conversation. You obviously have much experience, and I find that weathering your insults is worth the knowledge that I gain from interacting with you. That is an underhanded compliment, by the way. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkOURVUZg7RG-ShpM0hohLJjX_rpe=D8+0+ka=imdo5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: correct English usage
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:50, Russell L. Harris rlhar...@broadcaster.org Commonly-used English terms which are apropos to this matter are precede, predecessor, succeed, successor, antecedent, and descendant. Thus, one could say: Lenny preceded Squeeze. or Squeeze succeeds Lenny. or Lenny is the predecessor of Squeeze. or Squeeze is the successor of Lenny. or Lenny is the antecedent of Squeeze. or Squeeze is the descendant of Lenny. Wow, that's confusing! How about instead using nonsense alliterating adjective / animal name combinations, arranged alphabetically? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkp16apv7ir2pxyt54rf9popoxw8_in4--z5gp0qtep...@mail.gmail.com
Re: correct English usage
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 16:21, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 03 April 2012 20:36:07 consultores wrote: The other point, is that native speaker, does not mean excellence; it only mean that this person just speaks one dialect/language from the begining of his life! But in many, if not most, cases, has also been educated in it. I respectfully disagree. The native speakers of Hebrew and English that I know are the least educated in the usage of those languages. It is the immigrants who really study the language. That said, the Russians do seems to be very well learned of their language. Any question I have on Russian language the average Russian can explain. And native speakers are much more likely to be au fait with current usage. With this part I agree. If you want the fine manual to read like the current slang or hip hop song, then a native speaker is far preferable to a learned immigrant. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkO=o4xxnap3dn1nt2j4xvnwfg5w4tb5k5wywxcp+qj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Apache Open Office
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 16:45, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 01:36:58PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: Thanks, I will start enumerating the differences between OpenOffice and LibreOffice here: http://dotancohen.com/eng/difference_openoffice_libreoffice.html That's going to be one hell of a moving target. That is why I ask for the community's help. I don't expect to notice all the differences, but when major disparities of functionality are identified, I would like to have them enumerated in an easy-to-find resource. Hence the page. What audience are you trying to serve with that page? Two audiences: 1) Those who are deciding between the two suites. 2) Those who are having trouble with a specific aspect of one of the suites, which may be addressed in the other. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkmgzidzszkcyybj1-18sjghhcr70b_1bg5ccwk2pn7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Apache Open Office
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:09, Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net wrote: Look at the referenced bug reports, there are attachments to the reports showing what has happened to my templates archived docs. others have noticed this also. Thanks, I will start enumerating the differences between OpenOffice and LibreOffice here: http://dotancohen.com/eng/difference_openoffice_libreoffice.html Please contact me with any additions or corrections, and I will start trolling both the OOo and LO mailing list for other differences. Thanks. To LO devs credit they patched v3.5.x? so that the double lines are no longer so large that they hide data in the cells for archived docs. Newest bug is for the double line style not being a close representation of previous bouble line style, e.g. new docs with tables using that style will not match archived docs with tables with that style. As far as maintaining a page with the differences I think it is worth watching how the new feature in LO concerning table,border line styles plays out. Not only did it break backwards compatibility in LO, it departs how AOO renders those line styles also. AOO does not render the double line style created in LO 3.4.x later(they are blank), have not tested other table line styles As that is a primary use case for you, I would appreciate it if your could be tasked with that particular difference. Just let me know what, if anything, changes. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkNwXE27aSEBRGT-7USQTuaz3-KWz-atpyDC=opbjsx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Apache Open Office
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 23:09, Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net wrote: There are differences between AOO LO, significant enough to warrant having a choice in Debian of which one to use. What are the significant differences that you have perceived? I might have to maintain a page outlining the differences if they really do affect workflow, features, and document compatibility. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkngzvbad7vtogg-gojb-+4vq0gkk-qhfl5iib+xyog...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] how to take care of hand
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 15:56, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 04 February 2012 13:47:01 lina wrote: ..if you're changing your keyboard habits anyway, follow the dvorak advice, it's a more dramatic change that will help stop you from falling back into your bad qwerty habits, also because it's about 40% speedier once you're up to speed. You mean, put index finger on D and K? No, Lina. He is suggesting that you should try a Dvorak keyboard instead of a qwerty one. If you don't know what a Dvorak keyboard is, there are plenty of references in Google and Wikipedia. Lisi I was actually suggesting to stay with QWERTY and put the hands further apart, with the index fingers on D and K. I do that with my Colemak layout as well, my index fingers are on S and E. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkPuJjysgvVqk0i0nx6deYs5r_HFiD=VXsTu=n716tx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian VPS
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 12:34, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:43:35 +1100, Mark Charles wrote: Can anyone recommend any good VPS companies that allow you to install Debian or who have Debian preinstalled? Can't comment on any but you have a list here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting Greetings, Not on the list are these guys who I am very happy with: http://www.hetzner.de/en -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkmrqdotxq696omefgtbuv_75qakljhaw4jvh4wwevc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] how to take care of hand
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 18:57, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, are there some suggestions about how to take care of hand? for weeks, I felt the hand especially the thumb get strengh-less in typing, and kinda of stiff, I can't avoid using mouse ( even has changed to a light one) and keyboard, googled some way, a bit horrible, someone even said need do operations. are there some good way of avoiding it. 3 years ago I once had, but gone within week. now I get handache about it. just curious about the answer, thanks, Hi Lina, I suffer from manual disability (inoperable right thumb) and my hands hurt (especially the left) after extending typing. Here is how I cope: 1) I put my index fingers on D and K instead of F and J. This not only leads to better posture, but it removes much work from the weak pinky fingers and transfers it to the strong index fingers. Also, the Enter, Tab, Shift, Esc and other keys are much closer. 2) I use VIM, which although has a terrible learning curve lets me keep my hands on the home row. I use Anki to learn VIM, and it is going great. 3) I swapped CapsLock and Esc keys. Now Esc is closer, which I use often due to VIM. 4) I take frequent breaks. RSIBreak in KDE helps me, in Gnome you have the excellent Workrave applications. 5) I often swap between two very different keyboards: one low-pressure split keyboard, and a conventional-layout board with mechanical (Cherry) switches. I take care not to bottom out. 6) To prevent from bottoming out, I often swap between Colemak and QWERTY. The confusion slows me down and makes me more conscientious of my typing. 7) I stopped using my phone one handed! The terrible contortions necessary to use the phone was actually hurting my hands, I found. Now one hand holds the phone, and the other operates the buttons. 8) I brush my teeth with my left hand. This is partly due to my manual disability in the right thumb, but it also helps strengthen the left arm a bit. Men might find that other right-arm activities should be moved to the left arm whenever possible or practical. 9) I just bought a pair of Baoding balls. I have yet to see if they help, actually right now they hurt, but I will keep at it. 10) I take Omega 3 pills. These reduce any swelling in the left hand, and make it more comfortable to type. 11) I notice that I grip pens and eating utensils very stiffly. I now contentiously try to reduce that pressure. 12) I take great care not to hit anything with my hands. Even pushing open the door to the building is now done by first placing my hand on the door, then pushing. Or with my foot if nobody sees me! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkpz2rfvr84himmz8onmmlyeyaff_nkgdoiz-rzhhjd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] how to take care of hand
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 20:08, Russell L. Harris rlhar...@broadcaster.org wrote: Here is an anecdote which you may find of interest: A podiatrist used an x-ray image to diagnose inflammation due to a ligament in the process of being torn. The inflammation was casing severe pain. The podiatrist recommended application of an ice pack for an hour twice daily, and said that -- with faithful application of the ice pack -- the inflammation would be gone within a month or so. The podiatrist said that use of the ice pack is fully as effective as is the injection of steroids, except that steroids can reduce the inflammation in as little time as a few days or a couple of weeks. He noted that some people find the cold uncomfortable, but he made no warning regarding the possibility of frostbite. It would appear that the cold stimulates circulation, and that increased circulation reduces the inflammation. The podiatrist also said that the application of heat (such as soaking the foot in warm salt water) would increase the inflammation. So perhaps there is a non-exploited market for a refrigerated wrist pad for the keyboard and the mouse? Thank you, that is interesting. I just threw the wrist rest in the refrigerator to see how that goes! I thought that heat promotes circulation, not cold. I'll have to look into that. But tell me, it seems that you are treating the symptom, not the cause. What about the torn ligament? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkNsaUhns=nskb2ypyxmr3wsm-+g7nmypfslzqx+hnb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to kill 120 jobs at once.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 06:06, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: how to kill 120 jobs at once. Sell the company to Oracle. You do know what Oracle is an acronym for, no? I don't know. just checked, ORACLE Oak Ridge Automatic Computer Logical Engine ORACLE Operational Research and Critical Link Evaluation ORACLE Organization of Regulatory Administrators of Continuing Legal Education ORACLE Optimum Reliability And Component Life Estimator ORACLE Ordnance Rapid Area Clearance System ORACLE Optical Reception of Announcements by Coded Line Electronics ORACLE Overview of the Role of Antibiotics in Curtailing Labor and Early Delivery lots of things I don't understand in my life. thanks ahead for explaination. One Real A__ Called Larry Ellison -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkocxmpxqwdfrizb4sz0jxwevwl_soszhf2xy3tch+l...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: how to kill 120 jobs at once.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 13:56, Ralf Madorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 11:11 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: One Real A__ Called Larry Ellison http://www.kongtechnology.com/2007/07/03/weird-origins-of-some-famous-tech-names/ Might the acronym be deliberate and intended by the founders? I have a hard time believing that, however true the acronym might be. Nice find, though, there are some interesting mentions in there. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkm0sqd3+5v3xgtkheffjos6zq5g5rjklqvkmgwkyb_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to kill 120 jobs at once.
how to kill 120 jobs at once. Sell the company to Oracle. You do know what Oracle is an acronym for, no? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkOWV=k-V_rUJ=zn_11w4v8vdg+5c3gpe6sdee4h53q...@mail.gmail.com
Re: hi, how to get more software from debian repo?
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 14:15, Bijoy Lobo bijoy.l...@paladion.net wrote: Tried Ubuntu Repos? Ubuntu and Debian are not binary compatible, even if it works most of the time. I have no problem installing a single Ubuntu .deb in Debian and vice versa, but do not configure Ubuntu repos for apt! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfko3evjw8uyrsfokxhvhtr88m-psutfndt0ugsfaecz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: hi, how to get more software from debian repo?
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 14:32, Shiyao.Ma i...@introo.me wrote: On 2012/1/17 20:26, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 14:15, Bijoy Lobobijoy.l...@paladion.net wrote: Tried Ubuntu Repos? Ubuntu and Debian are not binary compatible, even if it works most of the time. I have no problem installing a single Ubuntu .deb in Debian and vice versa, but do not configure Ubuntu repos for apt! Thanks, so that means there's no rpmfusion alike debian repo? By definition, no. However, go through some of the latter entries here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/post-your-source-list-330913/ Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/ubuntu.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkP9A-V0v4Oi+ffm3Kygy3=y9+x2rtnzda3zzo0vrlg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: hi, how to get more software from debian repo?
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 18:31, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: More software!? 25,000 packages is not enough? :-) That is the Apple Appstore argument. So many packages, but not one of them are the packages that he needs! It looks like eric5 is an easy build, seeing how it is an IDE whoever wants it should be into software development so compiling and installing an app from source should not be too much to ask: http://sourceforge.net/projects/eric-ide/files/eric5/stable/ -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkPjuTPK++sXrK5yY05sxQV_Or7TH3Wg7PFzdffy9v7=e...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Dvorak Keyboards.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 00:47, Dan Serban dser...@lodgingcompany.com wrote: If not using your own hardware, would that not be a detriment after getting used to the MS Natural keyboard? Not at all. The R in RSI is repetitive, and the key to healing is to reduce repetitive tasks. So regularly switching keyboards helps to heal RSI. I have three different keyboards that I rotate, two of which I can type on standing. One of them is the MS Natural! I find that all of my computers, and versions of consoles, distributions and desktop environments have very excellent support for other keyboard layouts. Heck, even my Android phone sports a colemak layout, and touch typing on that device certainly doesn't have the same meaning. Usually I can find a way to use my layout, if not, qwerty like I've said isn't a far stretch for me. When I type in Colemak I hold the keyboard differently, with my fingers one key over (that would be D and K in qwerty). Since the hardware feels physically different under my hands, muscle memory lets me switch easier. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfknlznesqu+bowe+a84g9i2lxfmza3duf_iurftjyjz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Dvorak Keyboards.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 07:40, Weaver wea...@riseup.net wrote: Yes, it raises the point that some manufacturers achieve their hardware height and profile, not from the keyboard base, but from the different heights of keys on the different rows of a Qwerty. My current keyboard is built like that, each row of keys has a different profile. I moved the keycaps from qwerty to Colemak regardless, and although one can see with the eye that not all the keycaps are level, it cannot be felt in typing. I am a very sensitive typer, I can tell you which keys take 35 grams of force, which take 45, and which are inaccurate and take too much. If I don't notice the different keycaps in typing, then I assure you that it is not an issue. Note that I did put some rough tape on the (qwerty) F and J keys to help me find home row. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkNMFZ5NO=W-K_43oS4Cuh+9+YRoYUVJ8DHz13zwX5g=v...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Dvorak Keyboards.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 19:35, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote: My question: is it really worth the trouble of learning a new way of typing, if you are already a moderately competent touch typist on the QWERTY keyboard? Probably not. Some people cite speed, others comfort as a reason. I'll tell you mine. I type fast. Real fast. I haven't done a wpm test but let's just say that I type faster than most. Often, this speed comes with increased finger pressure on the keys (I bang them) and rapid wrist movement. Both those factors cause me pain now. Switching to Colemak slowed me down considerably, as such I could relearn how I press the keys and avoid bottoming out (mechanical keyboards do not need to bottom out to register a keypress). Furthermore, the reduced wrist movement (because of the better layout) and the slower movement (due to my unfamiliarity with the layout) have reduced my wrist pain. I am actually typing this in qwerty now, and I see that my fingers are all over the keyboard. My pinky hurts! Note that I decided to do something different for Colemak. Instead of putting my index fingers in the 'correct' position (F and J in Qwerty) I put them further out (D and K in Qwerty). This gives me a bit more room between them, for a more natural typing position, and it reduces the load on the pinkies. The extra load is moved to the index fingers, which are stronger and more agile. I am trying to configure my own keyboard layout, but I am having trouble remapping the modifier keys: Noah Ergonomic Keyboard Layout http://dotancohen.com/eng/noah_ergonomic_keyboard_layout.html That layout moves the hands as far apart as possible and moves as much load off the pinkies as possible. It is very comfortable, but I am having trouble writing an xkb layout for it. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkn6b7qceqtk+anjfdkck_nlx8sk-+vxu2y+6h7e2xn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Dvorak Keyboards.
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 21:37, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 06 January 2012 18:44:22 Raf Czlonka wrote: What's wrong with simply re-arrange the keys on your existing keyboard How do you do that? I know that there used to be IBM keyboards on which you could rearrange the keys, but I do not know of any modern equivalent. The physical keys do not need to be changed, just the keycaps. Every consumer keyboard can have the keycaps removed and replaced. I am a keyboard affectionado, I am currently typing on a Cherry Brown keyboard that I personally rearranged the keycaps on from Qwerty to Colemak. Photos upon request. If you need advice for removing and reinstalling the keycaps I can help. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkP54kZEpL=3+iRBwZ98WJUUtb_Ab6r=hch1eq+kdh6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Dvorak Keyboards.
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 12:52, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using a GD80-3000 (gold contact keys) and won't replace it for any other but I don't know if Cherry produces Dvorak keyboards :-? If you mean G80-3000 then that is the keyboard that Das Keyboard is based on. Definitely one of the better keyboards out there! Which switches? Blues? If it is reds then I'm jealous! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfknakyybzz81+zmo4z6dz0woxgvkue748hkeud422yd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Dvorak Keyboards.
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 14:32, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Mmm, are there different switches types for the same keyboard? (...) Wow, Internet says there are many colored pieces behaving differently! Black, brown, white, clear, blue and red (it seems that red switches were manufactured for the Asian market and just in small quantities). What the...! That's a good engineered product. Okay, after having listened to different YouTube videos showing the differentiating clicking noise for blue and red ones (people has much free time...) I have to conclude that mine is blue. The clock, clock sound is very noticeable, this keyboard is indeed noisy but keys are softly pushed like pure silk between your fingers :-) The blues are very common, I have them on my numpad, but browns on the alphanumerics. The almost-best of both worlds! If you really want to see people who are crazy about keyboards, I invite you to Geekhack: http://geekhack.org/ -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkPY2Epmpn9tO=tXS=XK9VB=4i=t1uyvabpbpp9rsvq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Dvorak Keyboards.
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 19:39, Weaver wea...@riseup.net wrote: Hello all. I've been interested in this subject for some time, because of the greater typing speed potential and lowr incidence of RSI and have even delayed moving from two finger typing with an idea of implementing a Dvorak keyboard into the system. Who makes the best ones? Where can they be bought from. Thanks for any time and trouble. Regards, Weaver. I Weaver. I used Dvorak a bit then switched to Colemak. Both are supported on Debian. I continue to use my old keyboard, as actually learning to touch type is much more an advantage than the actual placement of the keys. You will find that Colemak is much more similar to Qwerty, and is therefore much easier to learn. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkMF9mOsNVimAnkO4=jW+m1DtJrEjZEpdj36QBHa2DNw=w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 06:56, T o n g mlist4sunt...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Somehow I don't like the gmail's new look. I was able to defer switching to gmail's new look before, but I can't figure out how I did it now. Anyone knows how? Have you mentioned your feedback to google? The link is in the bottom right of all pages. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkNrA0PJvCJYA=wkv_hvfysfbyjurzhe8xpas76zxar...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: deferring gmail's new look
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 13:21, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: All what Lisi said plus the mails are listed chronologically, not by their relation to other messages. Makes it very difficult to follow a conversation :p Gmail never had true threading, only conversations (chronological organization). -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkptcrvvfj17bqskp+hiygcxfgzjd8ryo_uc1vkpteq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: GNOME 3 Alt-Tab takes two hands now?
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 05:38, Kevin Ross ke...@familyross.net wrote: If you have two windows open for the same application, the Alt-Tab popup combines them into a single icon. To switch between windows of the same application, you have to hit the down arrow while the popup is up. So you have to hit Alt-Tab, and while holding down the Alt key, hit the down arrow, then hit Tab multiple times to get to the window you want. Really? This is an improvement? Anyway, anyone know how to get rid of that grouping behavior for the Alt-Tab popup? Thanks! http://www.kubuntu.org/ -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkNhdqZvT6ngkuBBxNY=jv3gw-5u20xvraosggpb6ju...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Hi, how to control the speed of fan?
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 13:41, shiyao ma i...@introo.me wrote: I searched on the Net, and according to the Wiki of arch, I should first install lm_sensors. Then, I ran sensors-detect. After doing that, I ran sensors, and got the following output: acpitz-virtual-0 Adapter: Virtual device temp1: +26.8°C (crit = +88.0°C) radeon-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +54.5°C coretemp-isa- Adapter: ISA adapter Core 0: +46.0°C (high = +80.0°C, crit = +90.0°C) Core 2: +40.0°C (high = +80.0°C, crit = +90.0°C) As you can see, the result is not complete. My laptop is dell studio 1458, and the cpu is i3. I am supposed to modify the sensors.conf to add something so as to make sensors show the rpm of my fan. But the problem is I don't know my chip's name. I guess my chip's name should be coretemp, but there is no coretemp in the conf. My final purpose is to control down the fan, and I am in wheezy. What should I do? Thanks I was using this on my old Inspiron: http://dellfand.dinglisch.net/ While googling for it just now I found this competing utility: http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/ -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKDXFkMmZUfRAa81K2X71k=_gnzzchngw97jbnaaslmn857...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Wow, Evolution left me with eggs in my face
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 21:29, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Do I need to switch back to Windoof's Thunderbird for Linux, or is there any usable Linux Mailer? I actually rally like Thunderbird. In fact, I think that Debian's popular little daughter now uses Thunderbird as the default email client instead of Evolution. Give it a try. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkmqzkftpj-on7_renvad+zsvobwxex6tu_b5cswsso...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Wow, Evolution left me with eggs in my face
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 01:22, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Since a mere 20 minutes later he wrote that he *was* pissed, it must have been in the American sense. No-one could go from very drunk to sober in 20 minutes!! I did rather wonder what he meant - I didn't know that the American sense existed. Lisi You've never been stopped by a cop while drunk then! Instant sobriety! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfknecv2j6b_zpcx8wc7314nkswnqgynxcdyq5seatwe...@mail.gmail.com
Re: a quick Q: how did you handle files from windows
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 22:01, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: You're never going to win. Try older Word documents with newer Word versions, and you won't do much better. Try changing printers with a carefully-tweaked data-collecting form and watch it fall about all over the page as the printer margins change... Laugh when a new version of Word starts to appear, and all the lucky new users send new-format documents to users with older Word versions... I think at least half of the world's Office users have no idea that new documents cannot be opened by older versions, until it happens to them. Logical enough, it's not something Microsoft can be blamed for, but nobody ever *thinks*. Or even replacing a broken printer! I once encountered a situation where an HP office printer was replaced, and the replacement printer, the exact same model, was set to Letter paper even though it was loaded with A4 (we don't have Letter paper in Israel). Windows detected the new printer's Letter setting, and reformatted documents accordingly. Some of them, especially with full-width tables, were a mess. Until someone figured out that the problem was the _printer_ it was a huge problem. Word documents are easy if the creator sticks to tabs and a few spaces, and preferably saves in an early file format, or better still, RTF. More than that and they are very fragile. And that's before you start hiding annotations and alterations, which occasionally turn up visible when you don't want them to... I'm dealing now with a Libre Office user who is seeing deleted text from a contract. The contract happens to be a form letter that was apparently sent to other companies as well. This information has proved quite useful to this LO user, and strengthened his negotiating position. If I'm creating documents for others, I'll use Rich Text (though a Mac user claimed to be unable to open one) which at least every version of Word can deal with accurately. But editing Word documents and sending them back to Word users requires Word. End of story. At the very least, even if you don't have Word, you need a Windows machine and the free Word reader, to check your work. If the recipient does not need to edit, then you should use PDF. If he does need to edit, then you should of course use what he uses. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfkm9tc2hy5bnqbcv4dko5wyj92xqc0uci6zaxpmp99o...@mail.gmail.com
Re: a quick Q: how did you handle files from windows
I invite the OP and everyone else to send to me .doc / .xls / .ppt documents that do not display properly in LO/OOo. I file bugs on them. Sometimes they even get fixed :) Just make sure that you've removed any sensitive information, as the document will be made public. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakdxfknuxguogaieq4qdt2fsb3xgrijl3toop9o3noxoq6+...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Configuring WIFI
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 22:38, David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: My android can use WIFI. Works fine with who knows whose WIFI it happens to find and connect-to. The one on my wireless router, however, connects but cannot access and web pages or other data through it. Is there something I need to enable in a firewall? Or in other options/conf files somewhere? Sort of unfair to steal someone's bandwidth just because it's there :-) Can you please reword you question in the form: This is what I need to accomplish: _. This is what I tried but didn't work: _. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTik9s7D7qE02nZaC_UDha=_wm6h...@mail.gmail.com
Re: So much for Skype.
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:47, Klaus Wolf kl...@linuxwolf.de wrote: Hi, I take test account on https://www.ekiga.net/index.php?page=services this works fine with sound and video. so long klaus Thanks. That page is very informative, and the call-back service is good for troubleshooting. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTim1py=dfznuvccu9++sool-vtt...@mail.gmail.com
Re: So much for Skype.
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 16:01, John Hasler jhas...@debian.org wrote: Dotan writes: Your automobile is not charged with the responsibility to protect the safety of yourself or your passengers. Neither is your computer. As a simple machine it is incapable of being responsible for anything. That was some rather selecting posting. You conveniently ignored my following sentence which addresses the point you make and refutes it. In order to add that responsibility to the automobile, one would have to introduce new features. Yes. Intelligence, self-awareness, and humanity. Like an Airbus? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTinAfXtTjJCnL2v8FW=7xa6_rr+...@mail.gmail.com
Re: So much for Skype.
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 00:06, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: Poking holes in the firewall sounds to me like a firewall problem, not a Skype problem. If Skype has admin rights, it will use them stealthily. Why should Skype have admin rights? And what is stealthily? Do you expect it to pop up a big windows and ask to poke a hole in the firewall to work? What other application does that? What is this about super user rights? Does Skype attain elevated privileges when being run as a regular user? How does it do that, and wouldn't that be an OS bug? It's probably only an issue in the Windows world and then only with a user whom is in the administrator's group. Again, that's an OS issue, not a Skype issue. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=dh=vz5_l+ej4d3y5mahea3zn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: So much for Skype.
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 03:30, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: Because it thinks it needs system privs? Just like any other app that runs as root. Do you run Skype as root? And if you do, then there is no basis to complain about Skype then using elevated privileges. Just as you don't run Iceweasel as root, don't run Skype as root. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTikCtR6=cu0a2wasb8nvqjfjlsk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: So much for Skype.
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:29, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: I was thinking of setuid() magic. Again an OS issue, not a Skype issue. I agree that since root must install Skype, and since root then owns Skype, the application might setuid. But this is an OS feature, not a Skype feature. How is this not a concern with any other closed-source application that one must install? I could understand derailing the thread into a closed-source vs. open-source debate, which while very productive would not address the issue at hand. For that matter, though, I do agree that setuid is a security risk and not well mitigated. Maybe the issue needs to be dealt with already: how would you suggest changing the kernel behaviour to mitigate the risk? A warning or log entry each time an application uses setuid? At install, at runtime, or both? Something else? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=PH_xYuyHrHdC2fftbAZE6U-x=y...@mail.gmail.com
Re: So much for Skype.
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 07:40, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: I was thinking of setuid() magic. Again an OS issue, Insofar as the OS provides the feature. Indeed, this really is a convenience-before-security feature that reminds me of a certain prolific software vendor. Give me an hour or two, I'd like to start a new thread on this because I really do think that it is a problem that needs addressing sooner rather than later. not a Skype issue. Yet, *if* Skype uses the function it's because Skype's programmers programmed Skype to use the function. Which the OS allows them, so I pass no blame on the Skype devs. I agree that since root must install Skype, and since root then owns Skype, the application might setuid. But this is an OS feature, not a Skype feature. How is this not a concern with any other closed-source application that one must install? I could understand derailing the thread into a closed-source vs. open-source debate, which while very productive would not address the issue at hand. It's a concern with *all* programs that need to stray from your little protected zone. Indeed. I did find this application, but it seems to be far from adequate: http://www.cims.nyu.edu/cgi-comment/info2html?%28cfengine-Tutorial%29The%2520setuid%2520log -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktinbwihzcsfw587agvjebj5ajmq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: So much for Skype.
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 08:31, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: Which the OS allows them, so I pass no blame on the Skype devs. My automobile allows me to drive w/o being buckled up. Do you blame the manufacturer or do you blame me for driving w/o buckling up? Strawman. Your automobile is not charged with the responsibility to protect the safety of yourself or your passengers. In order to add that responsibility to the automobile, one would have to introduce new features. Conversely, the Linux kernel is charged with enforcing user privileges. The setuid feature is added on to override that enforcement. The setuid feature is dangerous, as you yourself brought up. It should be limited by either: 1) Disabled by default, and packages which use it should require special permission either at runtime or install (not at compile time). This should be enforced by the kernel. 2) Detailed logging. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktimyjj1psqwl0-kdobvpzazy3nd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: lsusb lists nothing and webcam gone -- romance ruined
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 15:51, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: How oh how did humanity survive w/o webcams? GOML! We weren't competing with others that have them. Just like cellphones -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTim0bc0ER3TdXL1k6=ku_g5owe8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: So much for Skype.
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 19:07, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: A decision to drop or not the Linux version of Skype might depend on how many Linux users pay for Skype-in and Skype-out. I'm one such user. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktinwhr6aoubsrxqobzbb013hd7q...@mail.gmail.com
Re: So much for Skype.
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 19:37, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: Then there is the whole security risk of using Skype, it pokes it's own holes through firewalls and takes advantage of super user rights whenever it can, silently! Poking holes in the firewall sounds to me like a firewall problem, not a Skype problem. What is this about super user rights? Does Skype attain elevated privileges when being run as a regular user? How does it do that, and wouldn't that be an OS bug? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTimMo2Z_Emb10An3xsgUP549nK_=-a...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Is the Menu key used for anything in Debian?
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 12:55, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: Usually, in spreadsheets, activating Scroll Lock changes the cursor keys from a mode in which they move the selection about, to a mode where they scroll the page instead. This can be useful if you need to scroll down to see, say, a total line without losing the cell you have selected. Thanks, that is exactly the type of tip that I was looking for! I don't have an installation of LibreOffice handy to see if it behaves this way, but I'd be surprised if it didn't. It doesn't! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlkting-tk0npz_pc3gqeod_6yofuy...@mail.gmail.com
Is the Menu key used for anything in Debian?
Windows keyboards come with a Menu key to the right of the spacebar. Is this key used for anything in Debian? I can find no use for it whatsoever so I am considering mapping it to something more useful. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikovjjeeq1zcnaf3htbrniaa3a...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Is the Menu key used for anything in Debian?
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 14:56, Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote: It'll be the DE that sets this, not Debian, per se. Here, it brings up the RMB context menu for whatever has focus. Setting the correct keyboard layout may be required, too. True. I suppose if I have gotten this far with never using it then I can sacrifice it. I just don't want to paint myself into a corner by removing a feature that I may some day want (Like OpenSUSE removing CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE). -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktinp4mitcji5xo58dq6syve8z3c...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Is the Menu key used for anything in Debian?
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 16:56, Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote: Hmmm. Can it be re-enabled by altering/creating the relevant section in xorg.conf, perhaps? Actually, I'm just going to eliminate it in my custom ergonomic keyboard layout: http://dotancohen.com/eng/noah_ergonomic_keyboard_layout.html -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTiknB8iqMV=k2rbybojwyt29vss...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Is the Menu key used for anything in Debian?
for the same matter, does anybody know of a use for the Scroll Lock and Pause/Break keys? If I get rid of those keys, into what type of corner will I be painting myself? I've never used them, but if anybody does, in any environment, I'd really like to know. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikqepypig2v+62t-j6ascav6hp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Is the Menu key used for anything in Debian?
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 19:39, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: On May 9, 2011 12:18 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: for the same matter, does anybody know of a use for the Scroll Lock don't recall using it. and Pause/Break keys? It'll pause your boot sequence but don't recall using it in the OS. Great, thanks. In any case, they will still be available on other layouts if I do need them. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=ywr7cs2ybfshj1jwqhfwsrlj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: URL shortening (was Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list)
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 01:33, Arno Schuring aelschur...@hotmail.com wrote: However, this mailing list is archived. That means that links given on this mailing list are not simply fire-and-forget, they should be able to be resolved years from now. And while we cannot guarantee that any link remains valid, it is foolish to assume URL shorteners outlive the target website. In other words, please do not use (unnecessary) URL mangling. It needlessly makes your message useless for posterity. There were actually a few cases of these link-shortening services going under. Tr.im went under and was bought, Canonical and Google both bought and saved one (I don't remember the names) and for a while bit.ly was under threat for violating Sharia law. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktimlf1tt_n_0w5s5fpcp6t_k0a_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 23:34, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate your willingness to help, don't get me wrong. But just as I am here to learn, I thought that you might also be interested in learning the error of using url-shortening services. Oh, I remember you now. Have we a history? I apologise if I stepped on toes or tried to teach the old dog new tricks. I'm always keen to learn. Where's the trick? Don't use URL-shortening services. But in any case, even if I am fantasising about tracking or advertising, the links are most certainly broken. I click on both of them and they lead me straight to the target, every time. Broken browser? Possibly a broken browser, poisoned hosts file or DNS, a selective firewall at work, or 100 other problems on my end (though none of those would give HTTP error 500). But that only reinforces my position: HTTP is already a tenuous protocol, why add more fragile links to the chain? In any case, this situation has already absorbed too much of my time. Agreed. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktik4j7l-+mkugwkwitpgp-xdxfo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 07:50, Freeman hew...@gmail.com wrote: Craigevil is very cool but his sources.list has open lines so I cleaned it up, I hope. It's late here. Check it. Especailly for something that wrapped. That's great, thanks! I will go cherry-pick through there. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTiny0b2v_bZd1WijV6Y=n865tmy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: I just tried tinyurl with wget and got the same IP address (and 200 response) as you. I didn't check the links, though. Then? Are you still getting trouble to reach the tinyurl web site? If yes, there could be a filter/proxy in between of you and the website, that is, your ISP. I didn't try the links. There is a point when I don't care about being right or wrong, I made my say and I'll not argue over trivial things with people who I'd really rather get along with. That's a different issue. There is nothing that needs to be teached here because we are talking about preferences. You don't like tinyurl and that's okay, no one can blame you for that, but in the same way you can't also blame others for use it... even less when that person was willing to help you. No, this is not a matter of preference. Sure it is. Nobody can force a user to use one or other method to post into this list. You can follow the link or not, that's up to you, but blaming someone -that is trying to help you- for using tinyurl (or any other of those URL shortening services) is like an overreaction. I'm not trying to force anyone, nor am I making blame. I am giving tangible arguments in favour of my position. If someone wishes to disregard my arguments, even if it is to my detriment and the detriment of the fine archives, so be it. There is no reason to pipe the links through some third party service that is unreliable and may, either through malice stupidity or hacking, compromise either the user's ability to connect to the site or perform undesirable actions (tracking, advertising, drive-by malware). Could TinyURL never be hacked? Sold? Forget to pay their hosting bill? Hardware failure? Network failure? Oh, come on! That argument is very flawed. Should we stop of using Gmail e-mail service because of the same? :-) Strawman. Gmail or any other email provider is providing an essential service: at most we could replace Gmail with a different email provider. That is not a link that can be taken out of the chain. Tinyurl, though, adds redundant links to the chain and they provide absolutely no benefit. So why use them? What is the benefit? Tinyurl, bit.ly and such have its use (mostly for twitter and sending SMS messages that enforce you a policy of limited characters) but using them in a mailing list is something is only up to the poster, not me, nor you... there is no one point in Debian mailing list netiquette stating the opposite. I don't read the Debian list on Twitter nor via SMS. Do you really believe that is such a viable use case that the benefits of a shorter URL outweigh the detriment? What advantage exists at all to use tinyURL? It does not have to exist any. So why use it? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktimswil7z51g+s01daoideft4kg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 13:28, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 08 May 2011 09:42:49 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: I just tried tinyurl with wget and got the same IP address (and 200 response) as you. I didn't check the links, though. Then? Are you still getting trouble to reach the tinyurl web site? If yes, there could be a filter/proxy in between of you and the website, that is, your ISP. I didn't try the links. You said (sic) The tinyurl server is giving a 500 error. Right, at the beginning of the thread. There is a point when I don't care about being right or wrong, I made my say and I'll not argue over trivial things with people who I'd really rather get along with. Fine, but doing so in a public (and mostly technical) mailing list generates other people reply to your considerations about a web service that has been there providing a useful service since years. I mentioned problems with the service, both here-and-now problems and potential issues about the future. That does not mean that I intend to debate the subject for three days over tens of posts. I'm not trying to force anyone, nor am I making blame. I am giving tangible arguments in favour of my position. If someone wishes to disregard my arguments, even if it is to my detriment and the detriment of the fine archives, so be it. You are charging against Tinyurl and blaming over it because of some obscure privacy concerns you have... but you are writing on a public mailing list, you use Gmail and you still worry about privacy? That makes no sense. Feel free to ignore the privacy aspects if they don't concern you. How about the ability to mask a malicious link? How about adding redundant layers to an already tenuous HTTP connection? How about the future viability of the links when the shortening service has a server failure, or goes out of business, is bought, or hacked, or shut down by law? I used the Gmail argument because is a service that you are using but apparently you are also much worried about your privacy. That's an oxymoron. Probably by using Gmail's e-mail service you are being more watched than by following a tinyurl link. I use Gmail for public mailing lists. I have my private and business mail at my own domain dotancohen.com. I believe there is nothing wrong in using them. Heck, this is the web! Most of the plain URIs are not available anymore because people closes their sites and they stop caring about making a redirect to the new ones. Links dead, regardless of the usage of URL shortening services or no. That's a red herring argument. Do you also not wear a seatbelt because we are all going to die anyway? Same argument. So why use it? To make a bunch of text short. To give the reader some sort of usability (there are e-mail clients that do not wrap well a long formatted URL or they even broke the full link). To provide clarity to the whole message. The shortening services do not provide clarity. Here is a clear URL: http://dotancohen.com/eng/noah_ergonomic_keyboard_layout.html You know where it is going, and the topic under discussion. You might recognize the domain name if it is a common one and base your trust on that. I'll open links to http://debian.org, but I won't open links to http://debian.on.nimp.org and seeing the URL is critical in that decision. Here is a non-clear URL: http://tinyurl.com/2ajjgt Where does that go? Yes, I know about the preview feature. I still have to invoke tinyurl to invoke the preview feature. There is a saying that says: When the wise man points at the moon, the idiot looks at the finger. In brief, I think that Tinyurl is no the main question here. I counter with the saying When the sage lifts his book, the slave lowers his pen. Tinyurl gives no benefit and [causes problems || has the potential to cause problems]. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktinpixyu9vbte6jdu0be_w-62nj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 04:54, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: There is a sample /etc/apt/sources.list file on my kernel-building web page: http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm Look for it under Step 1: Update Your sources.list File That is a terrific page, Stephen. Thank you! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktimjdndvwrzk7xgjvsj9kt4vcc0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 09:06, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose you could keep your public key with you on a USB drive and only put it on the computer when you need it, however I'm not sure how secure that would be :/ Something you have - thumb drive Something you know - the ip / name of your machine It's two factor enough imo. It the client is compromised, then the attacker will also know the ip/name of your machine once you use it on that computer. Furthermore, the thumbdrive is not something you have, it is only used to transport something you know, so that will be compromised on the client as well. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikpywkopjhjk6pypkjd_y7tpfm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:02, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote: No, the attacker needs to HAVE your private key and KNOW the pass phrase for that key. Assuming you keep your key secure and have a decent pass phrase his life should be very difficult indeed. Yes, but using that key on a computer that he does not trust is NOT keeping the key secure. To answer the OP, there is no straightforward way to connect to your machine from a computer that you don't trust and still be safe. You can try port-knocking which will slow down an attacker until he figures out that is what you are doing from the compromised machine. You might also have better luck with one-time passwords or one-time keys. Or, if it is possible, set up a web interface to whatever you want to control on your home computer and do it in a browser. That will limit the expose of the machine to whatever services you are controlling from the browser. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktimf4dvqpht_e5awrkmwnpjnnzv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: You could run Debian Live on a USB stick (or any other live distro, really). Boot your work machine with that, and you will have a trusted machine. Use that to ssh to your home machine. I suppose this 'trusted machine' doesn't have a key logger on it? Check the keyboard cable, good idea. Only a hardware keylogger would be an attack vector once the machine is booted from removable media. A key would help here, as it is not typed in anyway. And follow the advice that others have already given you. Specifically, disallow password authentication. That is a biggie. Even if you have a strong password, others on your home machine may not. As already said, you can use AllowUsers in sshd_config to allow only specific users to have ssh access. A strong password is no less secure in brute force terms than a key so there is no reason to disallow it on those grounds. You can also be sure you have never left it at home or elsewhere. A strong password can be keylogged, a key cannot. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikzth0omdgrz_gbuvhoevtyvmf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:43, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I'm prepared to be wrong here but, aren't the hosts.* configs just for inetd / xinetd and (possibly) portmap? And, IIRC, ssh installs as an init script on debian? Daemons can also be linked against libwrap. sshd is (ldd /usr/sbin/sshd). Could you please expand on this a bit please. I'm not sure that I understand the relevance. If there is some fine document that I should be reading then a link to it would be appreciated. I like to read the fine manual, but for this hole in my knowledge I'm not sure which manual I should be reading. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktimvlqebnhmazo0q5n5hyfx6ppq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:57, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com wrote: The tinyurl server is giving a 500 error. Why on earth would you add an unreliable, third-party link to the already fragile chain of HTTP? It didn't then and it doesn't now. Still is for me. I for one do not want tinyurl or any other company tracking what I do online ?? , injecting advertising, ?? and breaking links that they don't like. ?? Please post a direct link. A direct link to what? I don't need this third-party irrelevant company knowing where I browse, furthermore I don't need to follow a blind link to goatse. Ghostery is pretty good at it's job. It most certainly is. I use it too. I don't think you'll find you are being tracked through that medium. We don't need the possibility of being tracked. Why are you so adamant about using blind links which break (I cannot access them) instead of linking to the correct page? I have no idea where the other fantasies come from. Prudence, not fantasy. Unless _you_ happen to live in a world of unicorns, but I certainly don't. Well, those two links had the information you were after taking me less than a minute with Google to obtain them for you (for some reason), but if you aren't even prepared to follow them, there's not much anybody can do to help you. I appreciate your willingness to help, don't get me wrong. But just as I am here to learn, I thought that you might also be interested in learning the error of using url-shortening services. I apologise if I stepped on toes or tried to teach the old dog new tricks. But in any case, even if I am fantasising about tracking or advertising, the links are most certainly broken. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktik+wnim7hr2gm0gl5xkoncxfdr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 14:45, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Could you please expand on this a bit please. I'm not sure that I understand the relevance. If there is some fine document that I should be reading then a link to it would be appreciated. I like to read the fine manual, but for this hole in my knowledge I'm not sure which manual I should be reading. tcpd(8) will start you off. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTikSsO3q4gQvMDSq46PrsYxe9=h...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:23, George pinkisntw...@gmail.com wrote: No, the attacker needs to HAVE your private key and KNOW the pass phrase for that key. Assuming you keep your key secure and have a decent pass phrase his life should be very difficult indeed. He still needs to guess a string, just like he does when password authentication is used. What am I missing? Probably a lot, but I'm not very experienced in security matters. That is why the key is something you KNOW, not something you HAVE. If one can capture your password locally, then one can capture your key locally. However, keys are good to prevent brute-force attacks. Think of it like a 256-character password using the entire ASCII field. Also, keys are not susceptible to keyloggers. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTikoL+rPheqECU3136r8k=nwijx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 15:28, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Still is for me. It works here but anyway, you can use a TinyURL decoder: http://kiserai.net/turl.pl Still 500. That's a server error, not a network error. I'm surprised that it works for anybody. All I can think of here is geographic load balancing, and my geographic server must be down. Please post a direct link. A direct link to what? I don't need this third-party irrelevant company knowing where I browse, furthermore I don't need to follow a blind link to goatse. I thought that you were asking me for a direct link to some website backing up my viewpoints against using URL shortening services. You had removed the preceding sign of the text, so I thought that was your text. Well, Dotan, nowadays those URL shortening services are very popular and despite we like it or not (I barely use them) if someone here (I think this mailing list can be considered as a trusted source) sends you a link with information to your issue it's not very polite to reply in the way you did. Word documents are also very popular. If someone were to format his reply in a Word document and send it to the Debian list do you not think it to be appropriate to teach them the error of their ways? Or is popularity vindication for error here? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktik1zkc9zftk1bin8wybbmc9rtf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 15:08, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 06 May 2011 at 13:48:23 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: However, keys are good to prevent brute-force attacks. Think of it like a 256-character password using the entire ASCII field. Also, keys are not susceptible to keyloggers. I'm unsure whether you mean 'prevent' because neither keys nor passwords can stop brute forcing attempts. If you mean a key (256 characters) is stronger than a password (20 characters) I'd agree. But the key is no more secure than the password. Not unless the attacker has considerably more than the allotted three score years and ten to look forward to. George may be past caring by then, though. Agreed, a strong password is good enough to prevent a brute force attack for all practical purposes. Keyloggers would get the key passphrase too. Useless without the key itself. And the USB stick would have its contents pilfered. Agreed. So, keys don't appear to give any advantage over passwords on an untrusted machine. Agreed that for purposes of saying nothing was taken then the key gives not advantage. However, if the machine is only pilfering USB contents (unlikely) or only has a keylogger (actually very likely) then using a key will mitigate. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktin0nvnl70zynrgvfqs2n1hijx+...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 16:32, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 06 May 2011 15:47:42 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 15:28, Camaleón wrote: Still is for me. It works here but anyway, you can use a TinyURL decoder: http://kiserai.net/turl.pl Still 500. That's a server error, not a network error. I'm surprised that it works for anybody. All I can think of here is geographic load balancing, and my geographic server must be down. What host is giving you that error? Yes, http://tinyurl.com; works for me: sm01@stt008:~$ wget http://tinyurl.com --2011-05-06 15:25:11-- http://tinyurl.com/ Resolving tinyurl.com... 195.66.135.139, 195.66.135.140 Connecting to tinyurl.com|195.66.135.139|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: unspecified [text/html] Saving to: `index.html.1' [ = ] 9,299 --.-K/s in 0.08s 2011-05-06 15:25:11 (114 KB/s) - `index.html.1' saved [9299] I just tried tinyurl with wget and got the same IP address (and 200 response) as you. I didn't check the links, though. Word documents are also very popular. If someone were to format his reply in a Word document and send it to the Debian list do you not think it to be appropriate to teach them the error of their ways? Or is popularity vindication for error here? That's a different issue. There is nothing that needs to be teached here because we are talking about preferences. You don't like tinyurl and that's okay, no one can blame you for that, but in the same way you can't also blame others for use it... even less when that person was willing to help you. No, this is not a matter of preference. There is no reason to pipe the links through some third party service that is unreliable and may, either through malice stupidity or hacking, compromise either the user's ability to connect to the site or perform undesirable actions (tracking, advertising, drive-by malware). Could TinyURL never be hacked? Sold? Forget to pay their hosting bill? Hardware failure? Network failure? What advantage exists at all to use tinyURL? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikbu-ooob8k0x9vtcx_ovpg5ek...@mail.gmail.com
Need /etc/apt/sources.list
Obviously I've done something wrong because on a virgin Squeeze install /etc/apt/sources.list has no repos other than the disc! Can someone please send to me a copy of this file. Custom added repos are fine, I'll be able to figure it out. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTimFO32-i9D4Hg75=i7jz+abkvq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:07, kuLa deb...@kulisz.net wrote: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main contrib non-free Thank you! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTin6F=qBY7LzDQD5tXnn=nj49dj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 14:44, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com wrote: Why not install netselect-apt and let that do it for you? Regards, 1) I've never heard of it! 2) It doesn't seem to be on the disc, so I'd need a configured repo anyway. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=lgyvtqoalvqszbnsdhzsphoa...@mail.gmail.com
Installing Squeeze: Cannot choose time zone (two issues)
Issue One: I prefer to install Linux distros in English then configure each user for his own language. While installing Squeeze I do not have the choice of a time zone for Israel, only US time zones. The installer mentions that to display other time zones I must change language. This is absurd. Issue Two: When I go back and choose the Hebrew language, I _still_ do not get an option for an Israeli time zone. The time zones available have switched from seven or eight US time zones to (translated from Hebrew) US, Mexico, Saint Peter and Miklon, and Canada. When I try to search for a relevant bug the Installer is not called Installer nor anything else that I can imagine. So, does a bug or workaround exist? Should I file one? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktin8-0k5ykkgboajf5o4hjyx80d...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Installing Squeeze: Cannot choose time zone (two issues)
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 13:43, George Chelidze gcheli...@magticom.ge wrote: try # dpkg-reconfigure tzdata Thanks, George, or course I realise that I can reconfigure after the install. The problem is not how to install but rather how can this situation be fixed. Surely there is reason to fix these bugs, no? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktimgjxz8jwmfk9zuxept30shmo0...@mail.gmail.com
Addressing a machine behind the router without port forwarding or DMZ
Not a Debian-specific question, but I turn to the best brains that I know. Assuming a LAN with a router and three machines: 10.0.0.1 Router 10.0.0.2 Computer1 10.0.0.3 Computer2 10.0.0.4 Computer3 The router sits on an outside IP address of 123.45.67.89. There is no DMZ or port forwarding assigned on the router to any of the other machines. Is there any way an individual from outside the LAN could access a resource (Apache for instance, or SSH) on Computer1 assuming that he knows Computer1's LAN IP address? Would this this be possible if he had access to Computer1 and could configure it somehow (without configuring the router)? Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikem+ca5re7mtp8opqv6qwacdf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Addressing a machine behind the router without port forwarding or DMZ
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 15:35, Steven redalert.comman...@gmail.com wrote: To my knowledge, no, there is not. Only if the traffic is part of an existing connection created by one of the machines inside your LAN. Thanks, that is what I suspected. If he wants access to computer 1, your router would need to be compromised (or computer 1 using some kind of malware, then computer 1 could initiate the traffic itself. The malware could be hosted on an external website you need to visit). It doesn't need to be malware, that would fall under the idea of configuring Computer1. But it would still require Computer1 to initiate the connection. My current solution is to have Computer1 cron to check an outside URL to see if a connection request is pending, and from where. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=n5lzgsvpqck9uktpjrw9nju9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: SPAM SPAM SPAM !!! Re: Sip?
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 23:34, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com wrote: I only use the service because it saves even short links like this one from getting broken by MUA character limits: http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2011/1/29/4737705.html I think that is taking a minor issue (line wrapping) and solving it with a major issue. What if I don't want TinyURL tracking me? And TinyURL _has_ gone down in the past. And I only use tinyurl because it's stable, unlike the .ly extensions which are hosted in Libya, for example. Governments appear to be taking down sites more than the average cracker or script-kiddie does these days. I pretty much place them in the same category. What if? What if the U.S. government takes down another 84,000 sites by mistake, as it did recently? Tinyurl wasn't one of them. Still and all, before I'm guilty of contributing to yet another off-topic thread, sorry for disturbing everybody's day. Regards, In any case, could you provide a hint about what that link is about? Maybe it is something that would interest me. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinlkpohf9p+vxze4hi_orgg9q1wyvluejehh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: SIP services and softphones: what do you guys use?
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 00:25, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: I haven't used ekiga in about a year, but I always found their service to be spotty. iptel.org was much more reliable, and you can use it with the Ekiga software. Thanks, I will look at that service. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimsv0xmokw5-+xumboyupcby0hnij5ikpbn2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: SIP services and softphones: what do you guys use?
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 00:43, John A. Sullivan III jsulli...@opensourcedevel.com wrote: I don't spend a lot of time in Windows but I believe the two big freely available softphones are SJPhone and 3CX - John Thanks, I'll google them. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTikOu9gYpu10-6Mce+WXjCLM1bjQao=_uneda...@mail.gmail.com
Re: SIP services and softphones: what do you guys use?
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 00:40, Allan Wind allan_w...@lifeintegrity.com wrote: Make sure you tweak the settings (codecs, bandwidth) before giving up on Ekiga. I'm not an audio engineer, I quite rely on the software to tweak those settings for me. What settings would you recommend? That said Ekiga seems unstable on Windows at least it freezes for my sister when we try to get it going with my Linux machine. When I worked with VoIP we used Xten's soft phone on Windows. I think they call it X-Lite now. It is proprietary software but open protocol (unlike Skype). There a list of clients on the Ekiga site that might be of interest to you: http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Ekiga_Interoperability Thanks, Allan, I will look into the Windows software for the other party. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTing49d3MtHTcOXmdr6A-AcnprmT3NZuZ7P�q...@mail.gmail.com
Re: SIP services and softphones: what do you guys use?
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 01:41, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to get rid of proprietary Skype and two of my most important contacts are willing to give SIP a try. We all installed Ekiga and signed up for ~@ekiga.net SIP addresses, but the sound quality was very choppy and unusable. They are both on Windows. Is there an better softphone? Is there a better sip address service than ekiga.net? Is there a better softphone for Windows than Ekiga? Ekiga has a nasty reputation of generally being non functional. I couldn't make it work on my system, either. I've sampled a handful of SIP softphones and stopped my attention to two: Linphone [1] and Jitsi [2], both cross-platform. Linphone is a mature application with robust sound, and good video (if you follow the FAQ). On the downside the UI design is a bit rusty and would need some love and attention, but nothing hopelessly bad. Jitsi is different. It is still in active, pre-release development, although many report using it in production mode and that it is stable (personally I'm still having some hitches with the audio, but you should try on your system). The upside of Jitsi is a clean and intuitive interface (a bit similar to Skype on Linux), and long list of fancy features, including support for many protocols (Pidgin-style), audio, video, conferencing, encryption, desktop sharing, call recording, etc. Both apps are open-source with commercial support available. You should try both and see which better fits your needs. If you're looking for more alternatives, try this [3] [4]. Regards Liviu [1] http://alternativeto.net/software/linphone/ [2] http://alternativeto.net/software/sip-communicator/ [3] http://alternativeto.net/software/skype/ [4] http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/#skypereplacement Thanks, I'll research those this evening. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimdhxe7elu6xo7rizf2s509gi-bgt-gz0ch7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: SIP services and softphones: what do you guys use?
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 01:16, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: You forgot the fourth question. Is there a better way than using a softphone? Quite right. What is the preferred method of video conferencing in Linux with others who will likely be using Windows? Yes, the video is a necessity. Otherwise we would just pick up the phone! You also forgot to say how you would be using the telephone service and what facilities were important for you. Video is most important, other than sound quality. But Twinkle with sipdiscount.com suits me when I choose to use it. What will happen when qt4 comes along is not quite known. Qt4 came around a good three years ago! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=sv_umitn8y16d4jdtowfdqpcquyhfhxctk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Re (2): SIP services and softphones: what do you guys use?
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 18:29, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: * From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com * Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:02:50 +0200 Is there an better softphone? You can try Twinkle. The contact list and configuration are text file based; design is generally spartan; no video. Is there a better sip address service than ekiga.net? I use it with Twinkle. According to documentation, the SIP service is used for signaling; not for the audio stream. Ie. the SIP service has no effect on sound quality. You should be able to open a peer-peer connection directly without going through a SIP service. On average, sound quality should be the same that way as when the SIP service is used. Is there a better softphone for Windows than Ekiga? This might help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VoIP_software Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_switching http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_switching Thanks, Peter. I do need video, but the wiki links will likely be of help. Have a great week. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTimDMwqxAB3wreGysbGVdA9i9AVtcs7tQdXai7y=@mail.gmail.com
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:32, John A. Sullivan III jsulli...@opensourcedevel.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 11:23 +0200, Eero Volotinen wrote: That's what we first thought but it may not be what you expect. We assumed that LTS meant that applications would be refreshed to the latest versions and new applications would be added. If I recall correctly, that is not true. LTS will patch bugs but will not introduce major applications updates or new applications. Please correct me if I am wrong - John Why would you assume that? Stable distros, like Debian and CentOS, don't update to the latest featureset either. But I am genuinely curious, disregarding the whole KDE mess: Other than Open Office which distro-supplied packages are used in enterprise environments where the latest and greatest is necessary? What features or applications do you feel are missing in the older versions? To answer my own question: annotations in Evince are a case. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikd1emrpd14wovevjzadxpwfflbkt3jjso7x...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To 64 or Not to 64?
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 00:21, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: What do you do with your PC? If you're just a desktop user, then I recommend sticking with 32-bits (and a PAE kernel if you have gt 4GB RAM). I agree. One of the biggest problems with 64 bit desktop systems is Flash: the Adobe implementation is still in alpha (and feels like it), and the Gnash implementation is even further behind. Let's clarify the Adobe Flash situation: on _some_ hardware, users have no problems with 64 bit Flash. On others, it is a mess. I suppose that Adobe is slowly adding hardware support and that is why it is still an alpha. Try it and see how _your_ hardware performs. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTimeCjT=+b5ndwenhyhon7mvt9yp5k032ujvj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A Debian -offtopic mailing list: to be or not to be
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 17:34, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: [Cross-posted to: d-community-offtopic, debian-user] [For those who don't know what I'm talking about, please see #425439 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425439] Hi, Being the stubborn person that I am, I want to give one more chance to the -offtopic list for Debian users and/or developers. Thanks to Holger Levsen, the list is currently hosted on lists.alioth.debian.org by the Debian Community project and has some 30+ subscribers. However, activity is zero (not counting the occasional spam). Interestingly, the OT threads on debian-user also went down a lot since a few years, for reasons unknown to me. So, unless something happens on the list (apart from this thread and the spam) I intend to remove/delete the list within a month. Regards, Andrei I'll subscribe. I see that the OOo and Ubuntu offtopic lists are a good way to keep real thread _on_ topic. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik2yk8mye3eobvcmdhsnpu_paw-8ex+gv2we...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 21:47, Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com wrote: Are there any rankings of the most popular Linux distros for the enterprise desktop? My guess is that the most popular enterprise desktop distros are Ubuntu, RedHat, and SUSE. What features/characteristics are needed for an enterprise desktop computer that aren't needed for a home desktop computer? Are there companies or organizations that use Linux Mint? Linux Mint is the distro I recommend to Windows users. Linux Mint has a Windows-like feel, and I find it more user-friendly than Ubuntu. Since Mint is based on Ubuntu, most of the help out there for Ubuntu also applies for Mint. For those of you who have helped a company or organization migrate from Windows to Linux or from one Linux distro to another, what is your preference? This is easy: RHEL or it's twin CentOS. It is widely deployed on servers, probably on par with or more than Debian in my anecdotal dealings. It is also often found as a enterprise desktop OS, the only one that really competes with Suse. Other than RHEL/CentOS and Suse, you won't find anything on an enterprise desktop. I'm donning the fireproof undies now... Gentlemen: flame me with your Debian enterprise desktop experience please! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktina0sdeoiewlzat3oaid9dbuf3leb+nkrjog...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 22:42, John A. Sullivan III jsulli...@opensourcedevel.com wrote: I've been following this with interest as we are about to deploy what we hope will be very many enterprise desktops. We had originally planned on Ubuntu until we realized their understanding of long term support was very different from our understanding. Ubuntu? I use Ubuntu when I install for home users, but I wouldn't recommend it for enterprise. Canonical fiddles too much with stupid settings every release. Things that are supposed to be XYZ because they always have been, aren't. It's arbitrary and maddening. Even VIM they manage to screw up. We are very big RedHat fans as they really seem to walk the walk when it comes to open source and so considered both CentOS/RHEL and Fedora. The intentionally short support cycles for Fedora were the showstopper there while CentOS/RHEL tend to lag too far behind for a desktop as opposed to a server distribution. Yes, Fedora is too fast and CentOS is too slow. I recommend CentOS with the latest Open Office (or LibreOffice) as that is the only really critical software that one does not want lagging behind (and KDE 4.4). That is ultimately what led us to Debian. It has been our first major experience with Debian and we have been quite pleased with it as the best balance for a desktop OS thus far when we combine stable, backports, and occasional bits from testing with a well designed preferences file. Very, very interested in other thoughts - John Do you find enterprise applications available for Debian, such as LabView? What apps are you using? Are you aliening RPMs from other distros, or building from source? Please detail! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTinr+zhGAr-_=JX=laokfvqvhz3e8qznbre...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 23:27, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: So, even though I think I smell dog shit on the bottom of my shoes every time I type rpm or yum, I will still recommend them for corporate use just because I know support will be there if I'm not. What?!? yum is great. What don't you like about yum? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=kcRTe0P_RkeT_cN1qaYK=zd3trsyxze+76...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dd or cp over network: should I use scp?
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 14:41, Sjoerd Hardeman sjo...@lorentz.leidenuniv.nl wrote: I would use rsync, as it allows compression rsync -aAXxPz / root@178.63.65.136:/ where -a preserves permissions, modification times etc -A preserves acls -X preserves xattrs -x keeps you in one filesystem (so you won't copy /dev etc.) -P keeps partial copied files for faster stop-and-proceed, and shows a progress bar -z compresses the data stream This should give you an identical copy. Good luck! Thanks, Sjoerd, I do use rsync when I need to copy only changes. I thought that scp would be faster here. But I suppose you're right. Thanks for the tips on which options to use. I didn't know that -x keeps one out of /dev! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTikfo=i8=FPnQbD2koFRnzidvV2gzcPnEBf=5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dd or cp over network: should I use scp?
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 14:44, Steven Ayre stevea...@gmail.com wrote: You can use dd via ssh if you wish. I think the command would be: dd if=/dev/sda1 | ssh user@host dd of=/path/to/sda1.img Wow, that is really cool. I did not know that dd could be piped as such. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktingbw2dq0cephzuqsxvkbhyrr9djxvlj073p...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dd or cp over network: should I use scp?
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 15:05, BOYPT pen...@gmail.com wrote: netcat may help: dd if=/dev/sdX | nc -l 4321 On the other box: nc ip.of.the.serverbox 4321 | dd of=/dev/sdY Somehow I've never heard of netcat before. That is one handy feline. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktim621q6ywv5zvfzjhg_g41_hvm5c54z8tpbf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dd or cp over network: should I use scp?
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 16:04, Karl E. Jorgensen k...@fizzback.net wrote: I would recommend rsync instead - simply because if things go wrong during the copy, it can pick up from where it left, rather than restarting from scratch: rsync -av --numeric-ids / root@otherhost:/ --numeric-ids is to ensure it uses the _numeric_ user/group IDS on the other side. You may find that some users have differnt IDs between machines - e.g. IDs that are added by packages (e.g. mysql and stuff). Thanks, I actually did once run into the problem of uids on a Fedora box being different from those on a Debian box. Can I actually use dd over the network, maybe by piping to scp somehow? What is the canonical way of doing this? Thanks! Yes - if the disks are the same size, it's a no-brainer. My personal preference for this is to use nc - which is lightweight, but does not do encryption. On the source machine, send it out over the network sourcebox:~# dd if=/dev/sda | nc -l -p and on the destination box - which should be running a live CD or similar, as blasting over a disk which is in use leads to kernel confusion and human madness: destbox:~# nc $IP_OF_OTHER_BOX | dd of=/dev/sda You may want to use gzip to trade off CPU usage for better network bandwith: sourcebox:~# dd if=/dev/sda | gzip | nc -l -p destbox:~# nc $IP_OF_OTHER_BOX | gunzip | dd of=/dev/sda Hope this helps Thanks Karl! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTinvzX50bVQAi5tDWvPfXUsf=YJQ9=3zwj=nd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dd or cp over network: should I use scp?
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 17:22, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote: I need to dd or cp my laptop's harddrive over the LAN. Don't use dd if its a mounted file system. Thanks! scp will work, but you have to be careful about thing like symlinks which scp WILL FOLLOW, and which can increase disk space use. scp -r / root@178.63.65.136:/ Two reasons this won't work. 1) most of the time, root login through ssh is blocked. 2) copying to / will overwrite the existing, running, system. Much better, if you have the disk space on the receiving machine, is to make a directory under your normal user, like /home/dotan/Laptop, and do something like this, AS ROOT: # scp -r / dotan@178.63.65.136:Laptop and then the entire laptop file system will be available to recover at will. Of course, it was only a syntax example. But in general, it's necessary to back up only /etc and /home. These are where settings and user data are stored, and rebuilding the whole system it can be better to build the system anew, then just recover the user data and any needed custom settings from /etc. What is the canonical way of doing this? Canonical runs Ubuntu, you need to ask that question in the Ubuntu forums. This is the Debian user list, and while Ubuntu gets their software packages mostly from Debian, they have their own issues with versions and custom packages. Nice! I'll use that line next time someone asks me for a canonical matrix! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=1dNnxNV+FnTTpi2r1Dca8F5RUeFxL=105e...@mail.gmail.com
