Re: Still cannot get off list
On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Nate Amsden wrote: maybe part of the problem is that you are replying to the mail keeping the original mail in the message body. it probably doesn't make a difference but i make sure that the message has only what the list software wants nothing more, no signature, no strange characters, not even an extra space in the message. Have you tried to unsubscribe recently? It is failing at the confirm stage. And listmaster is not on the job to do manual unsubscribe. Is there someone besides listmaster we can appeal to to do a manual unsubscribe? Thanks, Dwight
Re: Still cannot get off list
On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Rob VanFleet wrote: On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 02:06:32AM -0800, Dwight Johnson wrote: Have you tried to unsubscribe recently? It is failing at the confirm stage. And listmaster is not on the job to do manual unsubscribe. Is there someone besides listmaster we can appeal to to do a manual unsubscribe? If there is a problem, then it is only affecting a certain group of people. I've unsubscribed myself a few times over the last month just to see if I could. It worked every time with no problems whatsoever. It seems to be affecting that certain group of people who have tried to unsubscribe over the last two days. Dwight
Re: yet another ppp failure story...
On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, W. Crowshaw wrote: At 11:04 AM -0800 12/20/00, Dwight Johnson wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, W. Crowshaw wrote: At 5:42 PM -0800 12/19/00, Dwight Johnson wrote: Show us your chatscript. My chat script looks like this: 'TIMEOUT' '30' 'ABORT' 'BUSY' 'ABORT' 'NO CARRIER' 'ABORT' 'NO ANSWER' 'ABORT' 'NO DIALTONE' 'ABORT' 'RING' 'ABORT' '% User/password invalid' '' 'ATZ' 'OK-+++\c-OK' 'AT F1 L W2 Q0 V1 E1 D2 C1 S0=0 S7=150+MS=56' 'OK' 'ATDT5551000' 'CONNECT 42000' '' 'User Access Verification--User Access Verification' '' 'sername:--sername:' 'wcrowshaw' 'assword:' 'mypassword' '' 'ppp' Your chat script is quite suspect. How did you come up with this weird chat script? Most ISPs are authenticating with PAP (or MS CHAP) these days. This script isn't so strange. It used to work perfectly before I switched from a Redhat distribution to a Debian. If your ISP does authenticate this way (unlikely), you will be able to verify it in minicom by doing it manually. After entering 'ppp' at your console in minicom, you should see the PPP stream start -- it's a profusion of weird characters spewing over your screen. O.K. I tried minicom and it looks like this. -minicom output begin ATF1LW2Q0V1E1D2C1S0=0S7=150+MS=56 OK ATDY T5551000 CONNECT 44000 User Access Verification Username: wcrowshaw Password: as14ppp Entering PPP mode. Async interface address is unnumbered (Ethernet0) Your IP address is 129.49.78.118. MTU is 1500 bytes Header compression will match your system. ~}#¿!}!Å} }4}}} }*} } }%}}G}4}'}}(}d~~}#¿!}!Ç} }4}}} }*} } }%}}G}4}'}}(}Æ}0~~}#¿!}!É} }4}}} }*} } }%}}G}4}'}}(}ÁÉ~~}#¿!}!Ñ} }4}}} }*} } }%}}G}4}'}}(}+c~~}#¿!}!Ö} }4}}} }*} } }%}}G}4}'}}(}b~~}#¿!}!Ü} }4}}} }*} } }%}}G}4}'}}(}®M~~}#¿!}!á} }4}}} }*} } }%}}G}4}'}}(}·Þ~~}#¿!}!à} }4}}} }*} } }%}}G}4}'}}(}!Ñ~~}#¿!}!â} }4}}} }*} } }%}}G}4}'}}(}h}7~~}#¿!}!ä} }4}}} }*} } }%}}G}4}'}}(}¢~~}#¿!}!ã} }4}}} }*} } }%}}G}4}'}}(}Î9~ NO CARRIER minicom output end As you can see, my script only works (now) -- that is, actually goes through the authentification process -- iff the CONNECT speed matches 42000. Considering that this speed can change upon each connection, this is one bug from the script. In any case, using minicom basically gives me a verbose version of what has been happening all along. The one interesting detail is the line Async interface address is unnumbered (Ethernet0). In the ppp-logs I have made, before failure, there is always a line Using interface ppp0 and then ppp0-ttyS0. The line Async interface address is unnumbered (Ethernet0) appears to suggest that my machine is trying to use interface etho. I don't know. OK, minicom verifies your chat script is fine. And you can get PPP started. Now, as soon as PPP gets started, you need to quickly exit minicom with no modem reset and execute pppd -d -detach /dev/ttyS0 38400 from the command line. This must be done quickly before your ISP terminates your PPP. I usually like to type in the command from another console or xterm so that it will be immediately ready upon minicom exit. This step should start your PPP session. Just follow Section 14 of the PPP-HOWTO. I recommend you persevere until you are successful at establishing a manual PPP connection in this way. There is a PPP mailing list I also recommend signing on to for solving difficult connection problems. But the next place to look is your /etc/ppp/options file. If you had a successful connection with the same ISP on Red Hat, you should be able to use the same one you used there. These procedures are laborious, but they have the advantage that you control everything. There are no software blackboxes (e.g., wvdial) in the middle. Also, you come to understand the underlying processes much better. Good luck, Dwight But if your ISP does authenticate this way, you should see the prompts from the left side of your chat script appear for you to respond to. The ugly init screen above is basically the one I run on my mac using the same modem to connect to my ISP. I've checked it with the modem manual and its pretty non-controversial. Try dialing in using minicom. An immediate hangup like you are getting suggests a possible problem with your modem. Minicom will show you what you get back from your ISP when your call first gets answered. I will try minicom tomorrow night. The PPP-HOWTO by Robert Hart goes into the details of making this manual connection in minicom. My version is from 1997 but I highly recommend your reading it. On your Mac, you may have to revert to a custom-built script and the PPP-HOWTO will show you how to put it together. Yep, I have read this too. Set kdebug to 7 and observe the dialup dialog with your chatscript. Still recommended. You would probably view this output in /var/log/messages unless you have
Re: installing pine
On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Bruce Sass wrote: On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 03:12:08PM -0800, Adam Shand wrote: pine, pico and pilot deb's are included in woody. you'll notice that the version numbers have an 'L' at the end of them. that signifies (i believe) that they are not an unmodified binary and allows debian to distribute the pine binaries that they want to and still comply with the license. Actually is just the opposite. The pine license has always allows redistribution of unmodified binaries. The 'L' version number suffix is not needed. However, because of Debian's file system standards we needed to make changes to Pine. Adding the 'L' suffix to the version number indicates that it is a modified binary (I believe 'L' is for Locally modified or something). I'm not sure if the 'L' license clause is something new or if nobody bothered to read the whole license in the past before labelling it as unsuitable for inclusion. I delved into this about the time Pine 4.0 was released... Debian believes it would need permission from the Pine Development Team to redistribute modified binaries, getting permission means that Debian has rights that others do not - which makes it non-free. Real freedom includes freedom to fork the code. Unless the Pine license allows this, it's not really free. Dwight
Re: installing pine
On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, David Wright wrote: Quoting Dwight Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): These issues concern people who are _not_ beginners. Time is money and taking a lot of time to configure an application is wasteful, when an equal result can be achieved in much less time with Pine. As I said, if you're used to pine, just use the pine bindings, which someone went to the trouble of writing. If you need the exact location, it's /usr/share/doc/examples/Pine.rc . It was the great help features of Pine which are not developed in mutt which I was referring to when I said 'issues'. The bindings are not an issue. Some years back, storage cost was an issue. But these days, when you can buy a 5Gb drive for $130, the expense of storing Pine is only $0.02. If Pine saved only a single $100 consulting hour in configuration time, the tradeoff would already be gigantic in Pine's favor. The advantage offered by mutt's smaller footprint is nill on any platform larger than a PDA or cellphone. Kindly desist from offering this sort of advice. I am not party to institutional decisions. Oh, and read my signature. duck My condolences. I didn't realize you work at Stonehenge. :-) /duck On the contrary, the power user does want these aids. The power user wants to make efficient use of his time by being able to quickly access help to execute commands that perhaps he uses only occasionally, like printing an e-mail or finding a particular e-mail by searching for a keyword, without having to search through a nearly endless alphabetical list of commands or waste brain synapses memorizing something he might do only once a week or less. It sounds as if you haven't noticed that / will search and highlight in the help screen as well as elsewhere. No, I had not noticed that. I have not yet invested the requisite man-day studying the mutt documentation in order to notice that feature. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Only in one respect, that I can see based on my brief exposure, is mutt better -- mutt is a better _threaded_ mail reader. It looks like a lot of effort has been put into mutt's threading features. People who want a threaded mail reader may well prefer mutt. Since I want to process my mail _strictly_ in arrival order, threaded is not a feature I would ever use. It beats me how you can deal with high volume lists (like this one) without threading. If I am reading e-mail continually during my work throughout the day, what is optimal is vastly different from reading it perhaps only once or twice a day. In the latter case, the advantages of threaded mailreading are much greater. But then I think I would be at great risk of missing high priority personal mail unless it were filtered into its own folder. In fact, in that case, I think I would want a cron job to check the personal mail folder and command my computer to emit a beep at intervals to alert me that I have personal mail. My pattern of work _is_ changing as I no longer have a business I am glued to. But, to answer your question: when reading and answering e-mail was an integral and continual part of my work, it was no problem dealing with high volume lists without threading because I checked messages so often that I dispatched messages before threads built up. I do acknowledge that the threading and color enhanced features of mutt are really great and way ahead of what Pine has to offer. Pine's help and configuration systems are vastly superior to mutt -- making Pine much easier to learn and use on a daily basis -- I submit that these features are highly significant for 'power users' who value their time. Submit to your hearts content. These things are a matter of opinion, religion, whatever... I see. Your opinions are a matter of fact, but mine are merely religion. When I post help, I might post opinions with them, particularly when solicited, as here. But I'm not interested in discussing religious issues nor indulging in a flame war. Very well then. You get the last word. I am through. I will continue to try to learn and use Mutt as time permits. But when my time is important, I will be forced to continue to use Pine. Dwight
Re: yet another ppp failure story...
On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, W. Crowshaw wrote: ... /dev/ttyS0 is the only one that actually makes my modem dial. This could be because I am running Debian on Macintosh 7500 PowerPC with 2 serial ports, one for the printer and the other for the modem. Aha! You are on a Mac? You must have had to custom compile your kernel. Are you sure you have the PPP module installed. Check with: more /proc/modules Dwight
Re: yet another ppp failure story...
On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, W. Crowshaw wrote: At 5:42 PM -0800 12/19/00, Dwight Johnson wrote: Show us your chatscript. My chat script looks like this: 'TIMEOUT' '30' 'ABORT' 'BUSY' 'ABORT' 'NO CARRIER' 'ABORT' 'NO ANSWER' 'ABORT' 'NO DIALTONE' 'ABORT' 'RING' 'ABORT' '% User/password invalid' '' 'ATZ' 'OK-+++\c-OK' 'AT F1 L W2 Q0 V1 E1 D2 C1 S0=0 S7=150+MS=56' 'OK' 'ATDT5551000' 'CONNECT 42000' '' 'User Access Verification--User Access Verification' '' 'sername:--sername:' 'wcrowshaw' 'assword:' 'mypassword' '' 'ppp' Your chat script is quite suspect. How did you come up with this weird chat script? Most ISPs are authenticating with PAP (or MS CHAP) these days. If your ISP does authenticate this way (unlikely), you will be able to verify it in minicom by doing it manually. After entering 'ppp' at your console in minicom, you should see the PPP stream start -- it's a profusion of weird characters spewing over your screen. But if your ISP does authenticate this way, you should see the prompts from the left side of your chat script appear for you to respond to. The ugly init screen above is basically the one I run on my mac using the same modem to connect to my ISP. I've checked it with the modem manual and its pretty non-controversial. Try dialing in using minicom. An immediate hangup like you are getting suggests a possible problem with your modem. Minicom will show you what you get back from your ISP when your call first gets answered. I will try minicom tomorrow night. The PPP-HOWTO by Robert Hart goes into the details of making this manual connection in minicom. My version is from 1997 but I highly recommend your reading it. On your Mac, you may have to revert to a custom-built script and the PPP-HOWTO will show you how to put it together. Set kdebug to 7 and observe the dialup dialog with your chatscript. Still recommended. You would probably view this output in /var/log/messages unless you have routed it elsewhere. It's not even starting an authentication dialog suggesting that TCP/IP is not getting started. See if you can get it started manually in minicom. I should have said 'suggesting that PPP is not getting started'. Sorry if that caused any confusion. Dwight
Re: backups
On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Ken Weingold wrote: I am going to be setting up Linux server at work for something and want to do backups, weekly I guess. Any suggestions on software to do this? I am not familiar with unix backups. I can recommend the Ecrix SCSI DLT tape drive -- 66 Gb (or smaller) tapes. For software, rolling your own with tar is the best solution, in my opinion. There's a good discussion of backups in 'Linux System Administration', Carling et al., New Riders 2000. If you're a tyro at backing up, you will benefit from Chapter 8 of 'The Linux Problem Solver', Brian Ward, No Starch 2000. Good luck, Dwight
Re: NE2000 ISA NIC setup
On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, John Griffiths wrote: trying to do a new install on a box with an NE2000 NIC having trouble with the module on install (that is it fails) do i need to tell it the IRQ/IO arguments? if so what is the syntax? I was never able to get this done in the install. I completed the install without networking and then, after some research, placed: alias eth0 ne options ne io=0x300 irq=10 in the file /etc/modutils/network. Of course, after more research, I had to complete the rest of the network configuration manually as well. But in the end, it all works. Good luck, Dwight
Re: NE2000 ISA NIC setup
On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, John Griffiths wrote: I was never able to get this done in the install. I completed the install without networking and then, after some research, placed: alias eth0 ne options ne io=0x300 irq=10 in the file /etc/modutils/network. Of course, after more research, I had to complete the rest of the network configuration manually as well. But in the end, it all works. So i load the module on install and accept the failure? or i don't need to install it? I was worried about this. But the module (in my case 'ne') did show up in /lib/modules after the install. All I had to do was add it to /etc/modules and create the /etc/modutils/network entry as I indicated above. I may have had to run 'modules-update' -- I don't remember just now. The main point is you can safely complete your Debian installation and fix up your NIC config later. Dwight
Re: installing pine
On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, David Wright wrote: Quoting Dwight Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, ktb wrote: You might want to try mutt. I like it a lot better. It took some configuring but it isn't as clunky as pine. I have recently been trying mutt and, quite honestly, I have find mutt a lot clunkier than Pine. One example: when you call up Pine for the first time in any home directory, Pine creates a default .pinerc and it is extremely easy to customize Pine from the Pine master menu. In contrast, with mutt, no .muttrc is created automatically on first use and evidently there exists no easy to use configuration program (at least I have been unable to find one) as there is in Pine. These are the sorts of issues that concern beginners who can be helped by having a good /etc/Muttrc file. Power users aren't really concerned. These issues concern people who are _not_ beginners. Time is money and taking a lot of time to configure an application is wasteful, when an equal result can be achieved in much less time with Pine. As my institutional copy of mutt resides in my own disk space (they don't support it), I would be disappointed at being quota'd for all that redundant help. Some years back, storage cost was an issue. But these days, when you can buy a 5Gb drive for $130, the expense of storing Pine is only $0.02. If Pine saved only a single $100 consulting hour in configuration time, the tradeoff would already be gigantic in Pine's favor. The advantage offered by mutt's smaller footprint is nill on any platform larger than a PDA or cellphone. It took me an hour of wading through documentation to figure out how to just get my 'From:' header to display my e-mail address. Apparently, I must do the same for each item of customization I want in mutt. Another example: control and navigation keys are clearly displayed at the bottom of each Pine screen. For the equivalent functionality in mutt, I must press '?' and wade through a gadzillion keys displayed over multiple screens. ... for the power user, there's no desire for real estate to be wasted on stuff like that. On the contrary, the power user does want these aids. The power user wants to make efficient use of his time by being able to quickly access help to execute commands that perhaps he uses only occasionally, like printing an e-mail or finding a particular e-mail by searching for a keyword, without having to search through a nearly endless alphabetical list of commands or waste brain synapses memorizing something he might do only once a week or less. There are very few different commands you actually need just to read day-to-day emails, and the keystrokes needed can be (and are by default?) displayed in one line. This is true, but there are many less frequently used commands that will not be committed to memory -- and Pine makes these much more accessible for quick use than mutt. There is, in fact, an option in Pine to not display these lines of command prompts. However, in 4-1/2 years of using Pine, I have not yet begun to find these help prompts obtrusive. So I am very surprised to hear you say that you think Pine is clunkier than mutt. I would welcome learning in what ways. Configurability, customisability, whatever, of keystrokes and status information for each type of screen, navigation, colours, headers, editor, etc. What I seriously doubt that -- getting into the specifics -- mutt is superior to Pine in configurability and customisability. Only in one respect, that I can see based on my brief exposure, is mutt better -- mutt is a better _threaded_ mail reader. It looks like a lot of effort has been put into mutt's threading features. People who want a threaded mail reader may well prefer mutt. Since I want to process my mail _strictly_ in arrival order, threaded is not a feature I would ever use. I am willing to give mutt a try based on its purer free software license. But I have used Pine to process in excess of 300 mails a day, including a high volume of personal mail, for long stretches over 4-1/2 years. Pine is extremely well designed to process and archive a high volume of mail quickly. My mail archive is currently 14Mb in 489 folders. If Pine were a lightweight program, I would have noticed it by now and changed to something else. Pine's help and configuration systems are vastly superior to mutt -- making Pine much easier to learn and use on a daily basis -- I submit that these features are highly significant for 'power users' who value their time. The mutt developers have much to learn from Pine (and I'm sure have already learned much). It is too bad the Pine license is flawed. Fortunately, this is only slightly and should not inhibit our use of Pine while we continue to support the development of completely free mailreaders like mutt. Dwight
Re: Banner server avoidence
Given that banner ads have many objectionable features -- waiting for the damned things to show up from a remote server being the most egregious -- I am wondering what would be a better way for companies to tell us about their products. Rick Lehrbaum, on his site, linuxdevices.com, sold vendor sponsorships. This has very low impact on readers and is ideal for community sites like debian.org to bring in revenue. But it works best for companies whose names are easily recognizable. And it's worthless to push specific products. In the original design for Linux Today, I planned to deliver ads inline with the newsfeed. In the end, it was more feasible to sell banner ads because they were easy to sell -- companies came to us asking to buy banner advertising space. I still think the inline idea would be a great way to go, but at the moment I don't have a Web site to try it out on. For a newsfeed type site, we could have something like: item blah blah... item blah blah... Looking for the best tape backup? Click here! item blah blah... Being all text, there would be no access overhead. The effort to skip the item if you're not interested is also very low overhead. The Web site design could be much simpler, possibly avoiding graphics altogether. It would be perfect for getting a advertiser-supported newsfeed on a PDA or cellphone. Of course, that would be only the beginning. The ad link could take you to a place where you could genuinely shop for tape backup products rather than steer you to just one vendor's alternative. The Internet is a great opportunity to improve the way buyers and sellers get together aided by software. Napster is only a teaser for things to come. Blocking out banner ads, while understandable, is not really moving toward a solution. We are all sick of primetime television-style advertising. What is needed is a way for buyers to make the first move and opt in to a stream of highly focused and targeted information that, for the seller, will result in the sales of products and services. Properly executed, sellers will like this because of the very high percentage of sales they make -- these will be the quintessential qualified prospects. Buyers will like it because they won't be bombarded with sales pitches for products of no interest to them. Dwight
Re: yet another ppp failure story...
On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, W. Crowshaw wrote: Now if I try calling up pppd directly with the command (pppd /dev/ttyS0 38400 debug connect chat -vf mychatscript ), I get this debug info upon connection: Dec 19 19:03:31 anima pppd[236]: Serial connection established. Dec 19 19:03:31 anima pppd[236]: Using interface ppp0 Dec 19 19:03:31 anima pppd[236]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS0 Dec 19 19:03:31 anima pppd[236]: Hangup (SIGHUP) Dec 19 19:03:31 anima pppd[236]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 asyncmap 0x0 magic 0x2bf6244c pcomp accomp] Dec 19 19:03:31 anima pppd[236]: write: warning: Input/output error (5) Dec 19 19:03:31 anima pppd[236]: Modem hangup Dec 19 19:03:31 anima pppd[236]: Connection terminated. Dec 19 19:03:32 anima pppd[236]: Exit. So what should I do now? I am using vanilla install of Debian Potato for PowerPC, kernel 2.2.17 Show us your chatscript. Try dialing in using minicom. An immediate hangup like you are getting suggests a possible problem with your modem. Minicom will show you what you get back from your ISP when your call first gets answered. Set kdebug to 7 and observe the dialup dialog with your chatscript. It's not even starting an authentication dialog suggesting that TCP/IP is not getting started. See if you can get it started manually in minicom. Hope some of these ideas help. Dwight
Re: installing pine
On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, ktb wrote: You might want to try mutt. I like it a lot better. It took some configuring but it isn't as clunky as pine. I have recently been trying mutt and, quite honestly, I have find mutt a lot clunkier than Pine. One example: when you call up Pine for the first time in any home directory, Pine creates a default .pinerc and it is extremely easy to customize Pine from the Pine master menu. In contrast, with mutt, no .muttrc is created automatically on first use and evidently there exists no easy to use configuration program (at least I have been unable to find one) as there is in Pine. It took me an hour of wading through documentation to figure out how to just get my 'From:' header to display my e-mail address. Apparently, I must do the same for each item of customization I want in mutt. Another example: control and navigation keys are clearly displayed at the bottom of each Pine screen. For the equivalent functionality in mutt, I must press '?' and wade through a gadzillion keys displayed over multiple screens. I would gladly convert to mutt from Pine just to get a more pure open source license. But, in my opinion, the clunkiness of mutt makes such a conversion quite formidable when I must still read my e-mail each day. So I am very surprised to hear you say that you think Pine is clunkier than mutt. I would welcome learning in what ways. Dwight
Re: ssh question / 2nd post first did not work
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Andrew Hall wrote: This may be silly, but here goes. I have downloaded the new version os ssh due to the security announcement a little bit ago. Looking at its depends I see that it requires libz1 but I can not find that package anywhere on the debian site. I do have zlib1g installed. What's the difference between the two packages? Can anyone tell me why there would be that dependency to a package that as far as I can tell does not exist? Thanks for you time. Instead of downloading ssh, I suggest: apt-get install ssh This will load and install any packages ssh depends on automatically. Dwight
Re: exim outgoing addresses...
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Rino Mardo wrote: On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 11:36:59AM -0600 or thereabouts, Gregory Guthrie wrote: I have my system setup as a satellite, which forwards all email to a sh\marthost, who delivers it. But when it arrives, I'd like the addresses to show where they came from, e.g. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of From; user Hints? /etc/email.addresses I think you mean /etc/email-addresses Dwight
From nobody
Exim is placing the strange header: From nobody on every mail it places in my mailbox. What is this for? How do I configure it, make it go away? Thanks in advance, Dwight
Missing ncurses in Pine compile?
On my Debian 2.2r2 system I have: libncurses5 ncurses-base ncurses-bin all installed. Yet, when attempting to compile Pine 4.21 (from the .deb source package in nonfree), I get the following compile error: cc-g -DDEBUG -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\LNX\ -DMOUSE -o pine addrbook.o adrbkcmd.o adrbklib.o args.o bldaddr.o context.o filter.o folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcap.o mailcmd.o mailindx.o mailpart.o mailview.o newmail.o other.o pine.o reply.o screen.o send.o signals.o status.o strings.o takeaddr.o os.o date.c ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a -lncurses `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [pine] Error 1 What can I do to successfully compile this package? Thanks in advance, Dwight
Missing crypt in Pine compile?
My Pine compile attempt is showing: cc-g -DDEBUG -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\LNX\ -DMOUSE -o pine addrbook.o adrbkcmd.o adrbklib.o args.o bldaddr.o context.o filter.o folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcap.o mailcmd.o mailindx.o mailpart.o mailview.o newmail.o other.o pine.o reply.o screen.o send.o signals.o status.o strings.o takeaddr.o os.o date.c ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a -lncurses `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` ../c-client/c-client.a(osdep.o): In function `checkpw': /usr/src/pine4/pine4.21/imap/c-client/osdep.c:106: undefined reference to `crypt' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [pine] Error 1 I tried installing the 'mailcrypt' package, but that wasn't it. Thanks in advance for what package to install, Dwight
Re: Missing crypt in Pine compile?
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Colin Watson wrote: Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Pine compile attempt is showing: cc-g -DDEBUG -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\LNX\ -DMOUSE -o pine addrbook.o [...] os.o date.c ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a -lncurses `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` ../c-client/c-client.a(osdep.o): In function `checkpw': /usr/src/pine4/pine4.21/imap/c-client/osdep.c:106: undefined reference to `crypt' Looks like it needs an -lcrypt there next to -lncurses, at least assuming that you have libc6-dev installed. (I doubt you'd have got that far if it weren't.) Yes, it does need an -lcrypt. My question is: what package do I install to get the 'crypt' function? I have already tried installing the 'mailcrypt' package, and that is not the right one. Thanks in advance, Dwight
configuring debian for network mail clients
I must configure my debian box so my wife can read and send her mail using Eudora from her Win95 box which is delivered to her mailbox (/var/mail/user) on the debian box using fetchmail/procmail/exim. Normal TCP/IP networking is already working on the network. The debian box is configured as an IP masquerading gateway to the Internet. When she tries to read her mail using Eudora, she gets a message that her connection has been refused. When she tries to send mail, she gets a message that she must change the address to one local to the debian system (@runner) before delivery can take place. What process does Eudora connect to on the debian box and what configuration steps are required to activate the capabilities she requires? (I think I remember setting this up in /etc/sendmail.cw on my Red Hat/sendmail box.) Thanks in advance, Dwight
Re: configuring debian for network mail clients
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your reply. On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:33:58PM -0500, Dwight Johnson wrote: ... When she tries to read her mail using Eudora, she gets a message that her connection has been refused. When she tries to send mail, she gets a message that she must change the address to one local to the debian system (@runner) before delivery can take place. to read mail via tcp from your debian box you need a pop or a imap deamon running on your debian box. Normally they are triggered from inetd. What is the name of the debian pop package? I do not see one in the list of packages. I do not want imap. to send mail via your debian box you need to tell exim it's okee to relay mail for your local domain (in particular for your wife's machine). What precise setting is that? I tried setting: relay_domains = verdi (my wife's box is named 'verdi') and that had no effect -- exim on debian still refuses to deliver mail that is not local. Thanks in advance, Dwight (I think I remember setting this up in /etc/sendmail.cw on my Red Hat/sendmail box.) now you need to tinker with /etc/exim.conf, you could consider running eximconfig (again) and fill in the domain for which you are prepared to relay mail, or read in the excellent exim info pages to look for the settings for relayhost. -- groetjes, carel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IP masquerading
On 10 Dec 2000, Willy Lee wrote: Kyle == Kyle Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was reading the IP masq how-to and it shows how to setup ipchains in a rc.firewall file. From what I gather, debian uses a different boot system. How would I make the rc.firewall for a debian system? I am new to debian, I am used to using redhat. Install the 'ipmasq' Debian package. Configure, read its docs. Nothing could be easier. (er, unless you have a non-standard setup) I am new to Debian, but is this still true? I do not have this package installed, but I am doing IP masquerading on my 2.2 installation just by making a script to execute on boot from the commands: ipchains -P forward DENY ipchains -A forward -i ppp0 -j MASQ echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward after launching my pppd (dial on demand). Perhaps there are different ways to do it. Dwight
Re: killing old netscapes
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Daniel Barclay wrote: From: Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Netscape] is a piece of shoddy and amateurish programming that is a disgrace to the profession. You have misquoted me, sir. I _never_ referred globally to Netscape as ... a piece of shoddy and amateurish programming. That is emphatically not true and I will not have you put those words in my mouth. On the contrary, Netscape is a highly useful application with many admirable features. It has been my exclusive Web browser over the past five years and I have personally found it immensely useful. I have the greatest respect for its programmers who, I am certain, are professionals of great skill and experience. _My_ reference was to one loop inside Netscape which hogs system resources and can crash a system when it is unable to continue communication with a remote host. Below is _precisely_ what _I_ said: Netscape goes into a tight, infinite and load crushing loop when it is trying to access data from a remote Web site and the data it is expecting does not come back for one reason or another. It may be because your ppp connection died or for some reason the remote site is not sending the data. A Netscape in this loop will not allow you to communicate with it by clicking on its 'Stop' button or any other control. Such a process must usually be dealt with using 'kill -s 9 PID' or it will eventually hog all your system resources and force you to reboot. Sometimes you can get it to stop and take an exception exit by killing your pppd. ... An infinite loop like this can easily be given a timeout and allow the 'Stop' event and other navigation events to take place. It is a piece of shoddy and amateurish programming that is a disgrace to the profession. Netscape for Linux has many problems, but we must be ever thankful to the programmers who, working as volunteers and without pay, produced a free Netscape for Linux from a time several years before Netscape open-sourced its code and embraced the Free Software movement. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Printer configuration on debian
On 09-Oct-2000 Dwight Johnson wrote: What is the preferred way to configure a PostScript printer on debian 2.2? Thanks to everyone who helped me with suggestions. I used magicfilter with lpd and also took care to have the kernel modules parport, parport_pc and lp installed. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Case of the Extra Page (continued)
My new Debian 2.2 system is still printing an extra page when it prints documents from my wife's Win95 box using Samba over the network. Here are the facts: 1) The printer is an HP 5MP with native PostScript. 2) The Debian 2.2 box is an AST 166MHz Pentium which also boots (and formerly ran) SuSE 6.1. This box serves as my Internet gateway, print and Samba server for my home network. 3) I have configured my printer on Debian with apsfilter. Here is the /etc/printcap: raw|lp3|PS_600dpi-letter-raw|PS_600dpi auto raw:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/PS_600dpi-raw:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/PS_600dpi-raw/log:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/PS_600dpi-raw/acct:\ :if=/var/lib/apsfilter/filter/aps-PS_600dpi-letter-raw:\ :la:mx#0:\ :sh:sf: 4) I have also configured my printer on SuSE with apsfilter. Here is the /etc/printcap: raw|lp3|PS_600dpi-letter-raw|PS_600dpi letter raw:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/PS_600dpi-letter-raw:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/PS_600dpi-letter-raw/log:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/PS_600dpi-letter-raw/acct:\ :if=/var/lib/apsfilter/bin/PS_600dpi-letter-raw:\ :la:mx#0:\ :sh:sf: 5) I use the identical print setup on the Win95 system when I print booted in Debian as when I print booted in SuSE. 6) When I print booted in SuSE, I _do not_ get an extra page printed. When I print booted in Debian, I do get an extra page printed. 7) I formerly had the printer configured with magicfilter. Here is the /etc/printcap: lp|hplj5mp|HP LJ 5MP:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:sd=/var/spool/lpd/hplj5mp:\ :sh:pw#80:pl#66:px#1440:mx#0:\ :if=/etc/magicfilter/ps600-filter:\ :af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs: 8) Using the magicfilter setup, in addition to the extra page I got when printing from the Win95 box, I also got an extra page when printing from a Red Hat box also connected to the network. Using apsfilter, I do not get the extra page from the Red Hat box. Thanks in advance for any ideas about how to eliminate the extra page print. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Prints only PostScript files
I am able to print PostScript files with: $ lpr file.ps to my PostScript printer on my Debian 2.2 system. But I am unable to print plaintext files with: $ lpr file.txt What packages or configuration am I missing to convert plaintext files to PostScript and send them on to the printer. My previous Slackware, SuSE and Red Hat systems have all been configured out of the box to do this automatically. The strange thing to me is that I did have this working before I started working on the problem of why my printer was printing an extra page on every print. So maybe I glitched something with my configuration experiments. My current printcap (created with magicfilter) is: lp|hplj5mp|HP LJ 5MP:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:sd=/var/spool/lpd/hplj5mp:\ :sh:pw#80:pl#66:px#1440:mx#0:\ :if=/etc/magicfilter/psonly600-filter:\ :af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs: Thanks in advance, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Prints only PostScript files
Answered my own question. The answer here appears to be the enscript package. Dwight On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Dwight Johnson wrote: I am able to print PostScript files with: $ lpr file.ps to my PostScript printer on my Debian 2.2 system. But I am unable to print plaintext files with: $ lpr file.txt What packages or configuration am I missing to convert plaintext files to PostScript and send them on to the printer. My previous Slackware, SuSE and Red Hat systems have all been configured out of the box to do this automatically. The strange thing to me is that I did have this working before I started working on the problem of why my printer was printing an extra page on every print. So maybe I glitched something with my configuration experiments. My current printcap (created with magicfilter) is: lp|hplj5mp|HP LJ 5MP:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:sd=/var/spool/lpd/hplj5mp:\ :sh:pw#80:pl#66:px#1440:mx#0:\ :if=/etc/magicfilter/psonly600-filter:\ :af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs: Thanks in advance, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Prints only PostScript files
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Philipp Schulte wrote: On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 12:57:03AM -0700, Dwight Johnson wrote: Answered my own question. The answer here appears to be the enscript package. But why are you using ps_only_ in the first place? Because I am trying different configurations to try to understand why I get an extra page printed after every job I print from a remote box over the network, but no extra page when I print directly from my Debian box. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does my potato need an upgrade?
I have my 2.2 box installed from CDs and all applications are working. Now do I need to update packages for security and bug fixes that have been released since the CDs were burned off the Internet like I always have to with Red Hat? If so, what is the precise apt-get or other command option I would use for that? For the moment, I want to stay with packages that are stable. This is not a request to 'upgrade to woody'. Thanks in advance, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: capture ipchains -M -L
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Nick wrote: can anyone suggest how to capture a terminal session (equivalent to print screen button for windows) to paste to a text document Place the mouse cursor where you want your capture to start, press down the left mouse button and keeping it held down, move it to where you want the capture to end. Now you can paste it anywhere you want, for example, into a text file open in an editor, for printing. or capture a screen in GNOME to send via email?? Look at xv. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Samba prints extra page
When I use Samba to print from my wife's Win95 box to my PostScript printer on my Debian 2.2 box, it always prints an extra blank page. Ordinary printing using Linux over the network does not print an extra page. Here is my /etc/smb.conf printing section: [printers] comment = All Printers browseable = no path = /tmp printable = yes public = no writable = no create mode = 0700 printing = BSD load printers = yes print command = /usr/bin/lpr -r -P%p %s lpq command = /usr/bin/lpq -P%p lprm command = /usr/bin/lprm -P%p %j printcap name = /etc/printcap postscript = yes The first 7 lines are the Debian Samba package defaults. The final 7 lines were suggested in the book 'The Linux Problem Solver' by Brian Ward and I inserted them when I couldn't at first get it to print at all. Thanks for any help, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to read pdf-files
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Stephan Kulka wrote: Which program should I use to view a pdf.? AFAIK there is no acrobat reader for linux. Is there a possibility to read them at the command line? Try pdftotext in the xpdf package. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vim vs Elvis -- was Mutt's Editor
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, will trillich wrote: On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 10:00:15AM -0700, Pann McCuaig wrote: If you want vim to be really useful you need the vim-rt package as well. I suspect that tips the balance. okay, so i # apt-get install vim vim-rt and vi still points to elvis, so i # update-alternatives --install `which vi` vi /usr/bin/vim 150 to use vim as default vi, and immediately run into syntax difficulties in my ~/.exrc which i fix... If VIM finds a .vimrc file in $HOME, it comes up in nocompatible mode. Otherwise, it comes up in VI compatible mode. i get no syntax hilighting at all (the 'file ends here, so we'll show a tilde from here own down' is blue but that's all that's colored). Try this: $ vim .vimrc Place 'syntax on' in your .vimrc. In command mode, enter ':syntax on' and start to experience syntax highlighting. While still open in VIM, enter ':help' in command mode. This is your VIM help resources. In command mode, enter ':help syntax' or ':help color'. Learn here more about all the different kinds of color highlighting. i see there are kahuna mongo syntax files in what appears to be a settings dir at /usr/share/vim/vim56/syntax/* which would apparently be selected by /usr/share/vim/vim56/filetype.vim if it were called from the appropriate place at the appropriate time... how is that supposed to be set up? did i overlook something? See above. For the VIM user community, post on the 'comp.editors' newsgroup. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: update 2.0.35 - 2.0.38
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, robert_wilhelm_land wrote: Would someone kindly help in understanding all those new files after launching make zImage? They are artifacts of the kernel compile and link. In /usr/src/linux/ a vmlinux exe file, ~1,2 MB large. In /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/ a zImage with -rw-.. and 0.5MB 'small'. This file must be copied to /boot and edited into /etc/lilo.conf so that you can boot your new kernel. In /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/compressed/ - vmlinux (executable, -rwx...) ,0.5 MB small vmlinux.out (executable, -rwx...) and 0.5 MB small I'm quite pertubed about these files since I never had heard/read of and noone seems to bother about them. Quite understandable -- you didn't expect that a kernel compile would generate so much disk overhead. And the compile has generated many hundreds of other files that you have not mentioned. Better do a 'df' and see what disk space you have left. I hope you have enough left to do 'make modules'. It generates a ton more. If you don't, it is possible to compile a kernel for this box on one with more capability. Would compiling a 2.2.x kernel create the same (useless?) files? Yes. You'll have to discuss the uselessness of these files with Linus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). After you are finished, 'make clean' will remove a lot of them. Additional - where does dmesg extract the messages out of? The files mentioned in man dmesg are empty, so I guess they're in RAM? They are in /var/log/messages. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS and Corel
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Nico De Ranter wrote: So no M$-Linux coming up :-) ? Well, yes, actually. The deal includes an option for Corel to commit 20 programmers to make Microsoft's .Net initiative run on Linux. MS has three years to exercise the option and the resulting code becomes the exclusive property of Microsoft. Here's the most revealing article to appear on the agreement to date (note additional draconian stuff): http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/001013/4679940.html Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 02:23:23PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: Well, since MS bought non-voting stock, I don't expect there to be a big problem. It isn't like MS is going to use its position to vote people onto the board of directors or anything. On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Dr. Orange wrote: This is probably more appropriate to devel but anyhow, any reaction on debian's part to MS buy of 25% of Corel? Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PPP session not established correctly
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Shaji N V wrote: I have a problem in establishing a PPP session with my ISP. The excerpts from the syslog is here: Oct 15 12:36:43 localhost pppd[364]: pppd 2.3.11 started by user, uid 0 Oct 15 12:36:44 localhost chat[365]: abort on (BUSY) Oct 15 12:36:44 localhost chat[365]: abort on (NO CARRIER) Oct 15 12:36:44 localhost chat[365]: abort on (VOICE) Oct 15 12:36:44 localhost chat[365]: abort on (NO DIALTONE) Oct 15 12:36:44 localhost chat[365]: timeout set to 120 seconds Oct 15 12:36:44 localhost chat[365]: send (ATDT2022508111^M) Oct 15 12:36:44 localhost chat[365]: expect (ogin) Oct 15 12:37:33 localhost chat[365]: ATDT2022508111^M^M Oct 15 12:37:33 localhost chat[365]: CONNECT 48000 V42bis^M Oct 15 12:37:43 localhost chat[365]: ^M Oct 15 12:37:43 localhost chat[365]: Oct 15 12:37:43 localhost last message repeated 23 times Oct 15 12:38:03 localhost chat[365]: ** Ascend TNT1.LNHDC.MD.RCN.NET Terminal Server **^M Oct 15 12:38:03 localhost chat[365]: ^M Oct 15 12:38:03 localhost chat[365]: ^M Oct 15 12:38:03 localhost chat[365]: Login Oct 15 12:38:03 localhost chat[365]: -- got it Oct 15 12:38:03 localhost chat[365]: send (x^M) Oct 15 12:38:03 localhost chat[365]: expect (word) Oct 15 12:38:23 localhost chat[365]: : x^M Oct 15 12:38:23 localhost chat[365]: Password Oct 15 12:38:23 localhost chat[365]: -- got it Oct 15 12:38:23 localhost chat[365]: send (??) Oct 15 12:38:23 localhost chat[365]: expect (1006) Oct 15 12:38:43 localhost chat[365]: : ^M Oct 15 12:38:53 localhost chat[365]: Entering PPP Session.^M Oct 15 12:39:03 localhost chat[365]: IP address is 208.58.212.82^M Oct 15 12:39:13 localhost chat[365]: MTU is 1006 Oct 15 12:39:13 localhost chat[365]: -- got it Oct 15 12:39:13 localhost chat[365]: send (^M) Oct 15 12:39:13 localhost pppd[364]: Serial connection established. Oct 15 12:39:23 localhost pppd[364]: Using interface ppp0 Oct 15 12:39:23 localhost pppd[364]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS4 Oct 15 12:39:24 localhost pppd[364]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 asyncmap 0x0 magic 0xc17ec9d3 pcomp accomp] Oct 15 12:39:51 localhost last message repeated 9 times Oct 15 12:39:54 localhost pppd[364]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Oct 15 12:39:54 localhost pppd[364]: Connection terminated. Oct 15 12:40:09 localhost pppd[364]: Terminating on signal 2. Oct 15 12:40:09 localhost pppd[364]: Exit. Your ISP is not responding to your configuration requests and is not sending his own. It looks like your chat script is not set up correctly. What program exactly are you using to make your connection? Is it pon, wvdial or a homebrew bash script? Send the list the actual chat and ppp options lists that you are using. Most ISPs are using PAP authentication, but your chat session is sending the username and password. This method went out of favor several years ago. Try making a manual connection using minicom to learn the details of how your ISP authenticates and starts the ppp session. See the PPP HOWTO for details of how to do this. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: killing old netscapes
On 15 Oct 2000, Matthew Emmett wrote: When netscape screws up and dies, it sometimes leaves it's dns helper process, which takes up memory/swap. Does anyone know of a way to clean up these old netscape processes, without killing the netscape that is currently running? Launch top. The dead netscape is often still running like a chicken with its head cut off and putting a dangerous load on the system. top will show you the PID of the errant process. Kill it with: $ kill -s 9 PID Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PPP session not established correctly
I suggest deleting the '1006' line from /etc/chatscripts/provider and commenting out 'mtu 1006' from /etc/ppp/peers/provider and then try connecting again. Send the log results to the list. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Shaji N V wrote: The scripts are here: I have changed my login/password /etc/chatscripts/provider ABORTBUSY ABORTNO CARRIER ABORTVOICE ABORT NO DIALTONE TIMEOUT 120 ATDT2022508111 ogin mylogin word \qmypassword 1006 /etc/ppp/peers/provider ( I have tried with speeds 57600 and 115200) # These are the options to dial out to your default service provider. # Please customize them correctly. Only the provider file will be # handled by poff and pon (unless with extra command line arguments). # You usually need this if there is no PAP authentication noauth # The chat script (be sure to edit that file, too!) connect /usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider # Set up routing to go through this PPP link defaultroute # Default modem (you better replace this with /dev/ttySx!) /dev/ttyS4 # Speed 115200 # Keep modem up even if connection fails persist /etc/ppp/options - provided by ISP. # /etc/ppp/options # # Prevent pppd from forking into the background -detach # # use the modem control lines modem # use uucp style locks to ensure exclusive access to the serial device lock # use hardware flow control crtscts # create a default route for this connection in the routing table defaultroute # do NOT set up any escaped control sequences asyncmap 0 # use a maximum transmission packet size of 552 bytes mtu 1006 # use a maximum receive packet size of 552 bytes #mru 552 # # force pppd to use your ISP user name as your 'host name' during the # authentication process #name # # If you are running a PPP *server* and need to force PAP or CHAP # uncomment the appropriate one of the following lines. Do NOT use # these is you are a client connecting to a PPP server (even if it uses PAP # or CHAP) as this tells the SERVER to authenticate itself to your # machine (which almost certainly can't do - and the link will fail). #+chap #+pap # # If you are using ENCRYPTED secrets in the /etc/ppp/pap-secrets # file, then uncomment the following line. # Note: this is NOT the same as using MS encrypted passwords as can be # set up in MS RAS on Windows NT. #+papcrypt # Increase debugging level (same as -d). If this option is given, pppd # will log the contents of all control packets sent or received in a # readable form. The packets are logged through syslog with facility # daemon and level debug. This information can be directed to a file by # setting up /etc/syslog.conf appropriately (see syslog.conf(5)). (If # pppd is compiled with extra debugging enabled, it will log messages # using facility local2 instead of daemon). debug Thanks for your time and help, Shaji _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: update-inetd problem
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Shaul Karl wrote: I am not sure but I believe that if telnet is not enabled by default then you should update-inetd --enable telnet because the entry is there and all one has to do is to enable it. That's what I thought too, but it turns out that the Debian package developers have broken telnet into separate client and server packages. When you install telnet, you only get the client. The server package is called 'telnetd'. Installing this makes the required entry in /etc/inetd.conf. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: killing old netscapes
On 15 Oct 2000, Matthew Emmett wrote: ... I haven't figured out a recreatable way to get netscape to crash (any pointers on how to do so would be appreciated),... Netscape goes into a tight, infinite and load crushing loop when it is trying to access data from a remote Web site and the data it is expecting does not come back for one reason or another. It may be because your ppp connection died or for some reason the remote site is not sending the data. A Netscape in this loop will not allow you to communicate with it by clicking on its 'Stop' button or any other control. Such a process must usually be dealt with using 'kill -s 9 PID' or it will eventually hog all your system resources and force you to reboot. Sometimes you can get it to stop and take an exception exit by killing your pppd. so I can't test out my idea, but here is my idea so far: $ ps -o pid,ppid,cmd | grep dns helper tells me the pid and ppid of any dns helper netscape processes (and grep, but I'll filter that out). Next, I take all but the largest pid and kill it. This way, if the user's netscape died and they start a new one right away, my script will only kill those dead-chicken netscape's. Does this sound like it will work reliably? I can't say. If this is mission-critical to your business, I would suggest opening a communication with the Mozilla and Netscape developers. An infinite loop like this can easily be given a timeout and allow the 'Stop' event and other navigation events to take place. It is a piece of shoddy and amateurish programming that is a disgrace to the profession. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PPP session not established correctly
On 15 Oct 2000, John Hasler wrote: Shaji N V writes: ...spd_vhi... That FAQ must be pretty old. spd_vhi has been useless for a long time. Yes, the option '115200' takes care of this setserial in my ppp connection. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
update-inetd problem
# update-inetd --add telnet The entry definition does not contain any whitespace characters! What does this message mean? What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
task-x-window-system list of packages
I need to get the list of packages installed by 'task-x-window-system', so that I can uninstall the ones I do not want. But # dpkg --listfiles task-x-window-system does not give it and /user/share/doc/task-x-window-system/README.debian does not show it. Thanks in advance, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Win 95 like GUI
On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Jatin Golani wrote: Hi all, i'm using Debian 2.2.havent been able to get a GUI that I like...also not sure about the fonts,etcso i need to test it with a GUI that I'm familiar withthe Win 95 GUI.I have once seen a linux box which had a GUI exactly like Win 95...i mean like exactly like it.. You were probably looking at fvwm95. Red Hat used it for a year or so. But I think you are going to be disappointed in your search for a GUI that is _exactly_ like Win95, or even close. The most robust GUI on Linux today is KDE. And the most satisfying deployment of KDE is what you will find on either Mandrake or SuSE Linux. So, if a sophisticated GUI is your priority as well as the quickest start on Linux, forget about Debian for the present and go with one of these distros. You may come back to Debian later when your priorities change. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: update-inetd problem
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 10:55:35PM -0700, Dwight Johnson wrote: # update-inetd --add telnet The entry definition does not contain any whitespace characters! What does this message mean? What am I doing wrong? Wow. I didn't even know there was an update-inetd program. I always hack the inetd.conf file by hand. Can't you just uncomment the telnet entry? That's what I have always done on my Red Hat and SuSE installations. But on Debian 2.2, my inetd.conf file does not have a telnet entry to uncomment and the inetd.conf file begins with a commented caution to not change it except using 'update-inetd'. But trying to make sense out of constructing an update-inetd add entry using 'man update-inetd' and the associated man pages is beyond me. What does your inetd.conf telnet entry look like? You shouldn't use telnet anyway, unless you're on a closed network. Too much cleartext. Use ssh. I would have tried that too, but 'apt-get install ssh' is unable to find the package on my 2.2 CD set. Thanks for your help, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: update-inetd problem
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Shaul Karl wrote: # update-inetd --add telnet The entry definition does not contain any whitespace characters! What does this message mean? What am I doing wrong? I do not understand you well, can you write the context of what you are doing? Anyway, if you are just trying to run update-inetd and are getting this message then you might check the possibility that the script is broken. I am running Debian 2.2., a new installation (my first). I would like to add telnet to the services of inetd.conf. The file cautions me to use only update-inetd to do this. My general question is 'How do I use update-inetd to add telnet to my inetd.conf services?' I have read the update-inetd man page and the associated man pages and it is still not clear. Thanks, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Matthias Mann wrote: That spamming is not very liked by much people is a part of my project, that i had not considered. I have seen it now on the reactions of newsgroup members. And it seems to be good, that you wrote me your warning. My experience with buisnes in web is not very big. Do you have some idears what i can do to reach more hundrets of people per day over the internet, whithot paying more than the online time? It is very important for me to reach very much people, cause i like to sell immovables. They will surely not so easy to sell like bread or books. And my budget is very small, so it is not possible for me, to pay for a big publicity campaign. Thank you for turning away from SPAM. I'm glad members of this list were able to convince you. Write to me privately about the specific products or services offered by your business and I will give you suggestions for Internet marketing. What are 'immovables'? Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: update-inetd problem
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 09:26:57AM -0700, Dwight Johnson wrote: That's what I have always done on my Red Hat and SuSE installations. But on Debian 2.2, my inetd.conf file does not have a telnet entry to uncomment and the inetd.conf file begins with a commented caution to not change it except using 'update-inetd'. What does your inetd.conf telnet entry look like? #telnet stream tcp nowait telnetd.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd What package is in.telnetd in? It's not in the telnet package -- I have that one. I would have tried that too, but 'apt-get install ssh' is unable to find the package on my 2.2 CD set. It's in non-us on the ftp site. http://www.debian.org/Packages/stable/non-us/ssh.html Try this: echo deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US potato/non-US main contrib non-free /etc/apt/sources.list apt-get update apt-get install ssh That worked a treat as the Aussies say. :-) The install did not make an entry in my inetd.conf file. May I see yours? Thanks, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Samba Win 2000
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Eileen Orbell wrote: I have tried and tried to get Windows 2000 to see my linux box through Samba so I can share files etc. But no matter what I tried I have no success. Is there anyone out there who knows how to do this? I see: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-10-14-001-20-PS that the SAMBA project has just forked and I believe one of the issues with the forking team is the lack of full Windows 2000 interoperability in the current SAMBA. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Strange screen blanking on 2.2 boot
At the end of booting my new potato 2.2 installation (my first for debian), the console screen goes blank and then reappears four times before finally settling on the login prompt. What's going on? Thanks in advance, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Removed services but references still in rc2.d
I did 'dpkg --remove' on some services I don't want: anacron, diald, wwwoffle and junkbuster. But these services still show up in /etc/rc2.d and /etc/init.d. Why didn't these references get removed as well? Thanks in advance, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Books suggestions / ports question
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Sven Burgener wrote:
Fellow debs,
o First, can anyone tell me if the book UNIX Power Tools is any good?
It's from O'Reilly. If not, what alternatives are there to it? Any other
book(s) one simply *must* own? :)
Topics: UNIX / Linux / Networking / C Programming
My current collection comprises DNS BIND, Linux in a Nutshell,
Learning the Bash shell, Learning Debian/GNU Linux (sucky) and
finally Linux Network Administrator's Guide, all from O'Reilly.
'Running Linux', Welsh et al., O'Reilly. This book in any edition is a
must read for every Linux beginner who aspires to Linux mastery.
'SuSE Linux: Installation, Configuration and First Steps', any post-6.1
edition. It is worth buying one official SuSE distro just to get this book.
You will find it especially valuable if you are gravitating from
Windows/Linux to Linux.
'Learning the vi Editor', 6th Edition, Lamb and Robbins, O'Reilly. Although
you can learn the basics of editing with vi in an hour, unfortunately, you
can then use vi for years without learning the rest of vi -- resources that
make it such an incredible productivity and power tool on Linux. This book
teaches those resources and then becomes a valuable reference.
'Mastering Regular Expressions', Friedl, O'Reilly. You can't get far with
Linux without mastering regular expressions, so suck it in and read this
book. It's as close to a royal road as you're going to get. I had used
Linux for several years, but it was only after reading this book that I
developed any ability with regular expressions. I need to read it again.
'Beginning Linux Programming', Matthew Stones, WROX Press. Don't let the
'beginning' in the title fool you. This book will take you far.
'The Concise Guide to XFree86 for Linux', Hsiao, Que. This book stands
alone, I believe, to elucidate the secrets of XFree86 in one volume.
'The Linux Problem Solver', Ward, No Starch. I am sticking my neck out
putting this in a list of 'must have' books, as no one has probably heard
of it. But most books on systems administration for Linux are either a lot
of words and general concepts ('Linux System Administration', Carling et
al., New Riders) or primarily geared to UNIX and out of date for the fast
pace of Free Software ('UNIX System Administration Handbook', Nemeth et
al., Prentice Hall; 'Essential System Administration', Frisch, O'Reilly).
Here is a clear and well-written book that is both concrete in its approach
to solving specific, practical systems administration problems and also
written by someone (Brian Ward) with a thorough understanding of what he is
writing about.
'Open Sources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution', Dibona et al.,
editors, O'Reilly. However good you may become at Linux you are only half
educated unless you are steeped in the history, traditions and lore of the
Free Software movement. This book is the best introduction I know of under
one cover.
Other titles worth taking a look at for your reference library:
'The Complete FreeBSD', Lehey, Walnut Creek
'Maximum Linux Security', Anonymous, SAMS
'Linux Network Servers 24 Seven', Hunt, Network Press
'UNIX Shells by Example', Quigley, Prentice Hall
It is informative to read book reviews of these titles on Amazon.com (and
then actually buy them at bookpool.com or one of the stores at unamazon.com
:)).
Happy reading,
Dwight
--
Dwight Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ipchains configuration in debian 2.2
Where is the appropriate place in debian 2.2 to configure ipchains for a firewall and IP masquerading? Thanks in advance, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Printer configuration on debian
What is the preferred way to configure a PostScript printer on debian 2.2? This same printer was most recently configured under SuSE 6.1 using apsfilter. This is my first debian installation and I am bringing it up one resource at a time. So far, I have networking and Internet working. Thanks in advance, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian funkiness with new kernels
On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Pete Toscano wrote: i really want to stay with debian and i can see how it's quite nice, but i'm heading out of town for a while in a week and i need to be comfortable with my laptop. errors like this make me very uncomfortable. can anyone help? is there something i have to do with debian to make it play nicely with hand-rolled kernels, libraries, etc? Yes, there is: switch to the stable 2.2 debian release. But if you must switch back to Red Hat, how about switching to the latest Red Hat public beta, so you can be comparing apples to apples. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Source Info.
On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Dr. Orange wrote: I have to give a presentation on open source in one of my classes. There still a while until then, but I'd like to start collecting documentation. It would be great if you could send me any links you think are important in such research. Naturally, I can find the most common and known ones, but perhaps you can sumbit ones you think are important, and yet might be overlooked. I would suggest that one of the links be www.linuxtoday.com. This is a comprehensive wire of all opensource news, articles and opinion as they are published and will make your presentation timely and up-to-date. As preparatory reading, I would recommend: OpenSources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution, edited by Chris DiBona, et al., O'Reilly, 1999. Open Source: The Unauthorized White Papers, Donald K. Rosenberg, MT Books, 2000. These are books that will make valuable additions to students' libraries. Web sites: www.gnu.org www.opensource.org These are really everything you need. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accounting
On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Techgod wrote: I'm looking for a Linux accounting program, if there is one. I've been on the verge of buying Quickbooks Pro, but would rather stay away from windows products. Does Linux have something like quickbooks? We have several programs which have some of the functionality of Quicken, viz MoneyDance, GNUCash and CBB. And we have higher end accounting systems such as AppGen. But AFAIK, the Quickbooks niche is as yet unfilled. (I presume you need functions like 'inventory' and 'payroll'.) For questions of this genre, I recommend a Linux-oriented search engine, viz Google (www.google.com/linux). Search, for example, on 'linux accounting program'. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Telling a printer to STOP PRINTING
On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Thomas J. Hamman wrote: Can somebody please tell me how I can tell my printer to STOP? # lprm - # man lprm Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: is there a decent threaded mail reader...
On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Walter Tautz wrote: i'd really like to be able to read this marvelous list without having to scroll through the listings looking for followups...perhaps pine can do this which is what I use now. Yes, just have Pine sort the messages by Ordered Subject. Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet Stations
On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Rogelio E. Castillo Haro wrote: Yes, I've heard about it, it's named Conquer or Conqueror, or something like that...but, since a discussion I heard about the License of KDE I'd prefer don't use it, and try only GPL programs... The reason for your reservations has been recently removed. KDE has always been GPL. Now, even Qt is GPL. And to top it, Richard Stallman has passed his holy wand of acceptance over the entire project. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/2281/1/ Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installing driver for Linksys Ether16
modconf does not recognize my Linksys Ether16 as a NE2000 clone, so I need a manual way to install the module. I am sure the Ether16 is working, because I have been using it for the past three years already under Red Hat and SuSE. I am trying to complete my first Debian install. Thanks in advance, Dwight -- Dwight Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
