Re: Makefiles
I have just started delving into Makefiles and I would recommend you get GNU make an use the documantation that is supplied - it got me going quite quickly, and it's well supported and free... For those packages that require xmkmf to compile, I would just install whatever package it comes in, use it, and try not to have to learn too much more. Just my opinion. Ed On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Jason Westervelt wrote: > I am running across a few apps that need > xmkmf > to compile.. where should I go to get all the stuff to deal with these > type of make file? > actually I am something of a newbie to linux, but I think xmkmf MAKES a > makefile from some other type of file, i dunno.. =) been looking for > general documentation to no avail.. > > Jason > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: First Mars Pictures
Interesting point. I seem to remember xv is shareware, I wonder if they've paid their fee. And I wonder what NASA is classed as - commercial or educational? Ed On Fri, 4 Jul 1997, Jim Pick wrote: > > Anyone watching NASA Select TV for the first pictures of Mars? > > The desktop they're using looks hauntingly familiar... > > fvwm2 is there, and xv too... > > :-) > > Cheers, > > - Jim > > pgpI3WTP3J68o.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Q] Best Strategy to install Debian 1.3 using a PCMCIA CDROM?
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote: > > > I am planning on installing Debian 1.3 on my laptop. I have had prior > > success installing 1.2 on this same laptop. I prefer to clean up the > > hard-disk and start from scratch. > > You do? > > I switched to Debian a year and a half ago in the hopes I would never have > to do that again! I'm probably safe saying that hundreds of other Debian > users would say the same thing. > > I'm very curious as to why you would not just upgrade in place; one of > Debian's claims to fame? Those of us who followed the recommendations of the docs installed 1.1 on one partition. I upgraded to 1.2 by just gradually installing all the 1.2 packages, but now I have realised the error of one partition and I will be installing 1.3 from a clean hard disk on to several partitions - with /home and /usr/local backed up and reinstalled of course. Ed -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
> >Am I the only one which finds the amount of general PC/Linux/Unix > >questions unbearable (in that case, I will unsubscribe) or is it time to > >plea for more discipline, such as "Please use only this list for > >Debian-specific stuff (like dpkg, dselect, discussions of the upgrade > >path to 1.3, etc)"? > > While I'm sympathetic to your concern of traffic volume, I also feel that a > "one stop shop" approach is easier for anyone trying to get their questions > answered. It's often the case that you don't really know whether it's > Debian or Linux in general that's at issue. And if you are installing for > the first time, it's likely that you really don't have enough experience to > say one way or the other. This has been my experience, I'm a crusty > veteran of Unix. I know a lot of this info is supposed to be in the FAQs, > but I've had problems that weren't covered, myself. > I'm sympathetic to both arguments here, but tend towards the first because I sometimes find myself blindly deleting hundreds of emails (including some non-Debian important ones) after every weekend, but sometimes read all the mail with interest. What _I_ would like is a nice concise posting regarding setting up a mail filter for pine and other mail progs, posted regularly, so that instead of saying 'I will unsubscribe' and losing possibly important members of the list, people say 'That mail filter sounds easy to set up, I'll do that instead'. Ed -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif, HP JetDirect?
Also worth a look at lesstif, a Motif look-a-like under active development. Ed On Tue, 27 May 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > > > > Hi! Does anyone know, what would be best (commercial) Motif for use with > > Debian? Is there any Motifs available as .deb-file? > > I had opportunity to use both Xi Graphics and Metrolink Motifs. > I tried Xi Graphics' version first and it seemed to have some bugs. > After I tried Metrolink's one I found out that waht I considered to > be a bug is a "feature" of Motif2.0. Anyways, metrolink motif seems to be > more reliable product for development but Xi Graphics has more evolved > runtime (mwm) configuration. > > Xi Graphics comes in Slackware's .tgz format - so you could use > alien(5.3!) to convert it to .deb. This is not extremely good, since there > would be no postrm (or prerm) scripts purging 2 extra lines in site.def > file (added during installation). > > Metrolink comes in both rpm and plain .tar.gz archives (with installation > script). This means that you could again use alien to convert rpm to deb. > > Hope this was of any help to you. > > Alex Y. > > > > > And does anyone have any experience on configuring Debian to use printers > > that are attached to a HP JetDirect EX Plus3? I think it can share the > > printers with lpd-protocol, but I didn't get it working..:( > > > > And is there anykind of script that would install Applixware 4.3 as a > > debian package? > > > > Mika > > > > --=20 > > =09=09Mika Marjam=E4ki -/- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How do I kill jobs?
> > How do I list all the jobs, in HP-UX or Solaris, I do ps -eaf and it > lists everything, but I don't think is the same in Linux. I'm just > guessing i way to change the setting on Xwindows by killing Xwindows, > modifying the XF86Config file andrestarting Xwindows. Am I going in the > right way? I use 'ps -uax', but read 'man ps' and see what that says Ed -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Xwindows running finally!! what's next?
> I just want to thank all who helped me get Xwindows running. This is > what I hadto do to install it successfully: I cleaned everything first, > may be it had something to do with selecting "-" instead of "_". I also > had to install xserver-svga first and then xbase with the rest of its > dependencies. Anyway, I'm now looking for a window manager and all the > neat tools to run Xwindows smoothly. I heard of fvwm, gwm, afterstep, > fvwm95 and others. Can I run all of them at the same time? Is it a > sequence? Do I need to kill xwindows before I install them or dselect > will take care of that? Sounds like you have a window manager up already - the default twm. I use this manager and it is fine for me. But if you want something more Windows95y, or just something with more frills, just load up all the other window manager packages, then change the manager you want in your home directory ~/.xsession Here is an example (From a Sun machine, but running X11R6.1); measun10% more ~/.xsession #! /bin/csh # no -f in the previous line so .cshrc gets run to set $PATH twm & xearth -label -bigstars 50 -term 50 -gamma 1.4 -mono & xmailbox -name mail -geometry 70x70-0+90 -file /usr/spool/mail/ed & xclock -name clock -geometry 70x70-0+0 & xconsole -name console -geometry 450x60+0+0 -daemon -notify -verbose -fn fixed -exitOnFail & xterm -title "Measun10" -geometry 80x40+30+200 -ls measun10% What you want to do is change the 'twm &' line to 'gwm &' etc. The installation scripts for the window manager packages might ask you if you want to use the manager as default and change things automatically - I'm not sure, but this should work. Ed -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is this a bad, bad sign? (harddisk problem?)
A couple of times my machine has been brought down by a power failure and
I have got similar messages to the original poster, during the file system
check after bootup failed. I have all my files on a single partition, plus
swap and dos. Kernel 1.0.2? from memory, xdm doing logins. I boot from a
custom boot disc although I also tried an older kernel boot disc.
This has not been a problem up to now, I just ran e2fsck as root, as
promted during the boot failure, and selected the default actions when
prompted.
But the last time this happened, when I ran e2fsck (-n -o from memory -
whatever it prompts) it seemed to fix the problem as before (changing some
counts, etc), but when I then tried a reboot, it failed just after
starting all the daemons (the fs was passed clean).
Seems to be that my root filesystem is mounting read-only so the X startup
fails. Xdm does not fire up, but I can log in as root from the console,
but reboot and shutdown do not seem to work (some commands do), so I have
to power down and run e2fsck again - with the same result.
As my system is vitually unusable (I am writing this from work), I
apologise for the sparse info, but can anyone give me any clue as to how I
can get the system up, so I can read the info and see what's gone wrong? I
have some stuff I would prefer not to lose, so I would like to avoid a
total reinstall.
Ed
> > > > Found this on terminal 7, probably came from X Is it a bad, bad
> > > > thing,
> > > > or just somewhat bad?
> > > >
> > > > hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> > > > hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=2356919,
> > > > sector=1280358
> > > > end_request: I/O error, dev 03:03, sector 1280358
> > > > hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> > > > hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=2357025,
> > > > sector=1280474
> > > > end_request: I/O error, dev 03:03, sector 1280474
> > > > hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> > > > hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=2357025,
> > > > sector=1280476
> > > > end_request: I/O error, dev 03:03, sector 1280476
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Re: cua /ttys
On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, Kevin J Poorman wrote: > hi > > Ok I have heard from one source that the cua* devices are being kept > up... and from this list that the cua* devices are not being kept up... > and that we should use the ttyS* devices ... and comments ... > > > -kevin > I think this matter is covered fairly well in the Serial-HOWTO in /usr/doc/HOWTO - well, it convinced me that /dev/ttyS* should be used in ALL cases. Ed
PEX Extension to X
Has anyone any experience programming with the PEXlib under Debian? I have managed to get PEX running in the Xserver (Note to the maintainer - maybe the install should modify XF86Config?) but there are no demos/code supplied with the xext package. I have scanned the PEXlib reference manual and the Protocol books supplied with the xbooks package, but they do not give anything near a tutorial such as is given in O'Reillys 'Xlib Programming Guide' for Xlib. I would prefer not to have to buy a book to see if PEX will do what I want - anyone got any example code/demos? What I am trying to do is display a fairly detailed 3D map for a game client which has various bits changing continuously and allow different viewing positions/magnification. I am open to suggestions for other methods of achieving this under any _free_ 3D X library if anyone knows of one. Thanks, Ed
Re: /dev/cua* and /dev/ttyS*
I don't know much about how it all works, but I'm sure /usr/doc/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO gives a reasonable explanation of cua/ttyS matters - it convinced me anyway! Ed > > There have been various mailings here along the lines of > /dev/cua* names are deprepcated in favour of /dev/ttyS*. > > I was just wondering why the change (and when). I thought it used to > be that ttyS* was dial-in and cua* was dial-out (or possibly > vice-versa). > > I looked in /usr/src/linux/Documentation, and the only reference > I saw was in devices.txt which stated: > > 4 char TTY devices > ... >64 = /dev/ttyS0First serial port > ... > 127 = /dev/ttyS63 64th serial port > > 5 char Alternate TTY devices > ... >64 = /dev/cua0 Callout device corresponding to ttyS0 > ... > 127 = /dev/cua63Callout device corresponding to ttyS63 > > > I was just wondering, what exactly has changed, and why? > > Richard >
Re: Unstable vs. Stable
On 24 Feb 1997, Guy Maor wrote: > Ed Down <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > But, on the ftp site, doesn't rex contain what was, in effect, the > > original 1.2.0 release in total? > > No, not in total, just a subset. Source and binaries in 1.2.0 that > have been replaced by files in rex-updates are removed. Otherwise it > would be impossible to fit Debian 1.2 on one CD. > > You can still upgrade to the latest by pointing dselect at stable. > Hmmm, I wasn't aware of this. Couldn't debian fit the last release in total on the ftp site in a 'frozen' state for ftp users? I for one was happy with the 1.2 release 'out of the box' and would probably not have bothered upgrading until the next release if it had been possible extra packages from the original release. But maybe I'm in a minority of one here... Ed -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unstable vs. Stable
On 24 Feb 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ed writes: > > ...once I had a working system of X/lesstif/latex/gcc and a lot of utils > > I couldn't see the point in upgrading. > > That's fine if you never intend to add any new packages. If you do, > eventually you will be forced to upgrade do to changes in libc, the kernel, > perl, etc. It is my understanding from what I've read on this list that it > is pretty much impossible to upgrade an "old" installation like mine > without re-installing. > -- As far as I can deduce from the directory structure at Debian, you CAN get new packages from the original release - minus all the updates - by taking them from the 'rex' directory. As I understand it 'rex' still contains all the packages (that were available then) as they were at the release of 1.2.0. So if you installed 1.2.0 you can still add new packages from there without upgrade incompatibilities. Ed (Who welcomes being shown to be wrong on this subject...) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unstable vs. Stable
On 21 Feb 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Craig writes: > > If you dont have a good net connection, I'd recommend getting a freshly > > burned CD with unstable on it once a month and upgrading from that. > > In other words, if you don't have plenty of money, don't use Debian. Definitely not! I spent ages using my system with no upgrading at all having installed from rex. I understand the need to upgrade for bugs/new packages, but once I had a working system of X/lesstif/latex/gcc and a lot of utils I couldn't see the point in upgrading. As a 'normal user' I didn't find any of the bugs/limitations in the system I had installed needed repairing. If it works - don't fix it Ed -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
modem port root only
I'm sure this was answered sometime recently, but can't find it. I've added the user to the dialout group, but still get /dev/ttyS1 - Permission denied when trying to use the modem as a user. Do I need to change more groups (tty, etc) - if so, which ones Ed -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Directory structure at Debian
I've been a user of Debian for 6 months or so now - including a sucessfull upgrade to 1.2 via ftp and a \HUGE stack of floppies, but I still have great problems understanding what all the directories on the ftp sites contain. Could anyone tell me what the rex-updates and rex-fixed directories are for? I would have assumed that any packages with serious bugs would be fixed in the standard rex... If not, what is rex still there for with 'broken' packages in it? And what happens when you replace your 'rex' packages file with the 'rex-fixed' one - Does it tell you you need to upgrade all your packages to rex-fixed level? It would seem simpler to me if we just had two directories containing the base, x11, non-free, contrib, etc directories: Debian-1.2, which is 'fixed' of important bugs as they are cleared and would be used by almost every 'user', and Debian-1.2-devel, which contains the most up-do-date working release of each package, for use by 'developers'. Then you install just one of two package.gz files - one for the fixed version which changes infrequently, and one for those cutting edge Debianites who want the latest of everything. Of course you could also install any devel packages individually as needed. OK, you would probably need other directories for unstable/experimental work, but most of us could ignore these. Ed -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie question on serial ports in Linux - please help!
On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Mikael Bendtsen wrote: > And by which device should I call my modem which is connected to the > second serial port? /dev/cua1 or /dev/ttyS1? Where can I find out more > about this? Install the Linux docs (doc-lnx.deb?) and you will have the HOWTO's in /usr/doc/HOWTO - or something similar. There is a Serial-HOWTO.gz file that you'll need to gunzip and read. Ed -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
General clueless upgrade question (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 18:58:54 + (GMT) From: Ed Down <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: General clueless upgrade question OK, I instaled Debian 1.1 a while ago and it all went fine. Now I want to add a couple more packages, so I ftp'd to my local mirror. I went to the rex directory - not the one in the Debian-1.2 directory, so I assume I'm in the 1.1 tree - and downloaded a new Packages file and the packages I require. I ran dselect and it seems to not let me just install the new packages - it wants me to upgrade loads of other packages which the new ones are not dependent on. I've tried to ask deselect to just leave the old packages alone, but then it insists on wanting to delete all the packages dependent upon these. For instance, I try to leave libc5 as the old version, so it insists on wanting to delete cron! As my system works fine at the moment I do not want to risk instaling anything with dselect as it is - any tips? Also, as I have to transfer all my packages by disk from college to home I don't want to have to upgrade all of the packages if I can help it, just add the new ones (and any dependencies). On a different track, I want to upgrade to 1.2 at some point. Is there a doc on this? If I use the new installation disks does it give me the option just to upgrade, without the disk format, or can I just upgrade the kernel and all the other packages I use to the latest vewrsions and that will be the same as a 1.2 system installed from scratch? Thanks, Ed -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oleo - Any docs?
I've used a few spreadsheets in my time, but the Oleo docs do not give me enough info to use the program. Anyone know of any user-friendly Oleo docs, or maybe an easier to use X spreadsheet program? Ed -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/dev/ttyS1 root only.....
I'm trying to configure my modem and, as recommended in the Serial-HOWTO, I've been using kermit to test it out. Problem is that /dev/ttyS1, which is the serial port my modem is on, seems to only allow root access. Anyone recommend a fix? Also any tips on mgetty setup would be appreciated. Ed
Re: XFree86 3.1.2F plans?
Even easier - I just downloaded the new 3.1.2F server, named it XF86_Mach64 (I think it already was..) and overwrote the old 3.1.2 debian server. Hey presto, no changes required. I'm new to debian/linux, but I think I'm right in saying that this file will now just be overwritten if I install a new debian Mach64 server. Ed On 17 Sep 1996, Mark Purcell wrote: > Date: 17 Sep 96 14:49:47 GMT > From: Mark Purcell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: XFree86 3.1.2F plans? > Newsgroups: linux.debian.user > Resent-Date: 17 Sep 1996 17:07:58 - > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Resent-cc: recipient.list.not.shown:; > > I had the same problem. My Mach64 chip is also new and wasn't recognized > by the Debian Mach64 package. > > In my case the solution was simple, although it may not work in all cases. > > I installed the debian Mach64 Xserver (xserver-mach64.3.1.2-5.deb) and I > then only downloaded the new 3.12G Xserver (XF86_Mach64) without any of the > config files or supporting applications. > > I renamed the 3.12G server to XF86_Mach64.312G and placed it in the > /usr/X11/bin/ directory with my other Xservers. > > When I edited the config file /etc/X11/Xserver to point to the new server > everything worked like a charm. > > The beauty is that I haven't overwritten any of the debian controlled > xserver files and have only added one additional file > (/usr/X11/bin/XF86_Mach64.312G). Thus when the next debian release comes > out I can upgrade without fear. Of course I am not totally sure of what > mixing the binary with the debian config does, but it works and is giving > me good results here. > > Mark > > > > David C. Winters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > > On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Shawn Asmussen wrote: > > > I agree. I would very much like to be running the F beta in its > entirety, > > > and with Debian I do not know how to go about doing that and being > > > positive I am not breaking anything in the process. I realize that the > > > owner of this package does not plan to release any of the beta versions > as > > > a Debian package while there is no source code, but I for one would > VERY > > > much appreciate some sort of instruction on what all is neccessary in > > > order to take out the stock Debian XFree and replace it with one of the > > > beta versions without breaking anything in the process. > > > > Okay. Here's how I got X 3.1.2[D|E|F] running. The background: > > The machines I was given to work with have Mach64 chipsets and the > > hardware appears to be so blasted _new_ I couldn't get the .deb X to > > work. >
