Re: Kernel Options for Dummies... + Followup...
--- Shawn Lamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, July 07 at 5:22 PM EDT Gary Singleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm compiling a kernel using the docs provided at http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html and it's all good but is there a doc somewhere that explains the options in the kernel configuration better? Especially helpful would be something that says 'don't say no to that one' or whatever. Using make menuconfig if it makes a diff. TIA, G.S. I haven't compiled anything since my current 2.4.20 but I was able to do it just by reading the help sections for options. It is a little painstaking (ie. you enable one option and it opens a menu for many suboptions ) but it was pretty clear. I think if you have specific hardware you need supported you should just look for info on that topic, rather than something comprehensive for all kernel compiles. HTH Well sorta :). That's what I've been doing but I was hoping there might be some better docs somewhere - actually though it looks like most of what I want is in the /usr/src/linux/Documentation - just a lot of reading is all. As a followup, I've been following the insructions on http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html like I said and everything works great until I actually install the kernel. I use 'dpkg -i kernel-image...' and it installs as expected but when I reboot the old kernel still loads. I was able to get it to work by editing /etc/lilo.conf and rerunning lilo but I'm not sure what went wrong and I'd like to understand it. When asked: Install a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf I answer: No - as instructed. When asked: Wipe out your old LILO config and make a new one I answer: Yes - as instructed When asked: ...install a partition boot block on /dev/hda1? I answer: yes - I originally set up debian to have the mbr on /dev/hda Then I'm told that I don't have /boot/mbr.b and that I might have to install the mbr package but 'dpkg -l | grep mbr' shows I have it installed already. Then I'm asked: make /dev/hda1 the active partition...blah I say: yes because I only want Linux to run on this box Then it's done and I reboot - boom, still old kernel so I check my symlinks /vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old point to the new and old kernel respectively as expected - so that's OK. So I look at /etc/lilo.conf and change boot=/dev/hda1 back to /dev/hda and it's all good booting to new kernel. So, I don't know where I went wrong - obviously I answered soemthing in the script wrong but I can't figure out where should I have not made /dev/hda1 active? Should I not have installed a partition boot block on /dev/hda1? I'm not sure how I should be answering the questions. I want it exactly as before booting from /dev/hda but running the new kernel. No big deal really, I got it working OK I just would like to understand why it didn't work at first. Regards, G.S. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel Options for Dummies... + Followup...
--- Kevin McKinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Gary Singleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When asked: ...install a partition boot block on /dev/hda1? I answer: yes - I originally set up debian to have the mbr on /dev/hda You want to write the boot loader to the MBR, not the partition boot sector. If you answer no here, you should be asked if you want to install the boot loader in the MBR. Answer yes. Hey thanks Kevin, actually via the kernel install I could never get it to ask me that but I ran liloconfig and it did. Same diff I guess, it's the same entries I had except it's better commented. G. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel Options for Dummies...
Hi, I'm compiling a kernel using the docs provided at http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html and it's all good but is there a doc somewhere that explains the options in the kernel configuration better? Especially helpful would be something that says 'don't say no to that one' or whatever. Using make menuconfig if it makes a diff. TIA, G.S. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows.
Yep, I got that - I just restarted my box but found out later that it was something in the /tmp directory. Restarting apparently erased it but you can probably just go clear it out manually. HTH, G.S. - Original Message - From: voy1d [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian-user debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 5:12 PM Subject: X-Windows. I'm getting the following problem when starting X. X: Server socket directory has suspicious ownership, aborting: Someone suggested reinstalling the system, but does anyone else have any other ideas? Mark Thompson Ihug Helpdesk Technician http://www.ihug.co.nz Phone 0800 438 448 ext 9557 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: Any way to convert Word 7 files?
FWIW I tried catdoc and in my opinion it's not very good. I just tried it to get some old docs readable plain text. It works OK and it gets the text out but for me it sometimes repeated paragraphs and things like that. G.S. --- Shao Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big programs like staroffice and wp8 can handle it with no problem. I havn't got time to try the following one, but it sounds like what you want. ii catdoc 0.33-3 MS-Word to TeX or plain text converter Anthony Campbell wrote: On 13 Apr 1999, Anthony Campbell wrote: I've a nasty feeling the answer is going to be no, but I wonder whether there is any way to convert or read a Word 7 file on linux? Or do I have to borrow a Windows machine and convert it to txt? Thanks to all who replied about this. A lot of you suggested WP8 but I was unable to get this to install, possibly because it doesn't work with kernel 2.2.x. Anyway, I don't think it's worth the amount of disk space it would take (I like vim/latex). Strings is a good idea; I hadn't heard of it previously. I'll give it a go. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - running Linux Debian 2.1 (Windows-free zone) Book Reviews: www.achc.demon.co.uk/bookreviews/ The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on... - Edward Fitzgerald (Rubaiat of Omar Khayyam) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Shao Zhang - Running Debian 2.1 ___ _ _ Department of Communications/ __| |_ __ _ ___ |_ / |_ __ _ _ _ __ _ University of New South Wales \__ \ ' \/ _` / _ \ / /| ' \/ _` | ' \/ _` | Sydney, Australia |___/_||_\__,_\___/ /___|_||_\__,_|_||_\__, | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |___/ _ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Symbolic links behaviour
--- Ruben Leote Mendes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Adam, On Tue, Apr 06, 1999 at 01:09:57PM -0700, Adam Klein wrote: Why don't you just mount the parition under /usr/local? The main reason is because I want to put several directories in the same partition. I create several directories in the partition and then make symbolic links there. For instance /home and /usr/local will be on the same partition. It seems that I will have to go through all the symbolic links and make them absolute. I must figure out some script to do this. :) Take a look at the symlinks package first - I forget it's capabilities but it just might do this for you. IIRC it's in utils. HTH, G.S. Regards, -- Ruben Leote Mendes - [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
--- John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, Gary Singleton wrote: --- John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the accepted method of sending a file to a person that MUST not get into unfriendly hands, but needs to get between users that have no access to the other's machine, due to dynamic PPP and hostile ISPs, then? Dynamic IP addresses can be taken care of using services like dyndns.org, ddns.org many others. My machine is online several hours a day using dyndns, I have the proftpd server running and can allow secure access via this or even using Apache. If I was to have such a hostile ISP I would switch to one of the many available in most areas of the world. Many ISPs however might be considered hostile by newbies for not allowing large attachments or charging for excess mail storage. So what you're proposing instead of large attachments to email is for the end user to set up two different services and quite possibly change their ISP. While we're at it, what else do you want to make into a major headache so you don't have to use procmail? I've got it, let's rewrite TCP/IP so that no more than 1KB of packets may be transmitted between peers without authentication, that oughta make you EXTREMELY pleased. Yes, my provided alternatives to solve your original problems were to get a dyndns.org account and set up an ftp server. It's really not that difficult and is much more convenient. The recipient is notified of the file and is able to retrieve it at his convenience. FTP (not anonymous) is at least as secure as email so that part is also taken care of. I shouldn't have to change my email setup to compensate for others inconsiderate behavior. Also, if I had what I considered a hostile ISP, you bet I'd find a new one. As to rewriting TCP/IP, I'm the one trying to stay within accepted protocol; you are advocating bending or rewriting the rules to legitimize your methods. This method should be as easy and as transportable as POPmail, not involve other servers in any way save routing, be able to be used internationally, and ensure delivery to only the intended person. Why, just to bend the rules to your definition of what the method should be? That's a little like saying I'm now using the internet, you must all bend to my definition of what e-mail should be. No, I was describing the basis of sending a large attachment via email--POPmail, the only servers in use are temporarily the routing hosts and the ends, and relatively secure delivery--there are ways to intercept email, but there are also ways to intercept ALL TCP/IP packets with a similar amount of work. So my bend[ing] the rules is no more than telling you that something has to be as useful as all other alternatives before it can be unequivocally the right way. The reason I brought up security of email the first time was to make you aware that it is no more secure than other methods just because it is destined to a specific recipient. Give up? Well so do I. Solve this problem before you beef about how large attachments to email is evil. You can give up if you like, but I'll continue to take the position that e-mail is for message exchange not file exchange. There are established methods for secure file transfer by the way, e-mail is most definitely not the most secure method of transfer for any file that MUST not get into unfriendly hands. Most crypto is based on a similar setup to email, and your established methods don't mean anything without citation, which is what I asked for in the first place. It's true that email is for message exchange, but what happens when the message happens to be a chapter of a book with formatting intact? Your broad stroke of no large attachments to email just nuked collaborative publishing, as my stepfather (when he was co-authoring his textbook) emailed revisions to chapters of his book, which he said was the accepted standard in the publishing community (I didn't really care much about the whys and wherefores when he did it--he and I have semi strained relations at best). The encryption issue has already been addressed as well as my solution for your problems. To summarize: dyndns.org, proftpd, new ISP. There are document control systems that would be much better for writing a book than emailing chapters to one another. I've used Lotus Notes (admittedly not a Linux product) in the past for exactly this function. My broad stroke wouldn't nuke anything, it would however force the adoption of a better method. I would have expected the publishing community to have developed something a little more advanced - surprising. I will continue to beef about large attachments when they are sent to me and mine unrequested unwelcome. There are solutions available if you would look, perhaps they're
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
Sure, sounds good to me; I'm tired anyway. Truth be known I've sent a more than a few files through the mail myself G. Anyways, I'm down in Boise, if you ever get down this way let me know. Best wishes, G.S. --- John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's just agree to disagree, shall we? We're both right as far as it goes--you have the most elegant solution, I have the quick and dirty solution. Both are partly right and partly wrong, mine because there's abuse, yours because it's a hassle beyond the worth of most attachments and dependent on the charity of others. But please remember that not all attachments are evil--some of them are at least benign, if not good. --major snippage-- _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
What advantage; gs-aladdin vs. gs?
With all the discussion about these two over the last couple of days I have to ask what the advantage of gs-aladdin is (if any)? I read the FAQ on Wisconsin's home for Ghostscript and in section 1.3 it states that the only difference is in licensing. The only difference there is apparently that the Aladdin license prohibits _any_ commercial distribution. If this is correct, why would someone choose to run gs-aladdin over gs? I _must_ be missing something. BTW, you guys on this list are really an asset. Back when I used another distro that shall remain nameless; I never got this much _quality_ assistance. Best regards, Gary Singleton -- Dilbert's mom uses Linux! Dilbert's mom rules! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: netscape plugins
http://home.netscape.com/plugins/by_platform.html#Linux HTH, G.S. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curious... There are alot of plugins available for netscape, but most don't specifically mention they are for linux - in fact, one of them I tried gave me an .exe. file to run to install. Well, obviously, this won't work with Linux... so, which plugins work for Linux, is there a repository for them? Also, I've seen mention of netscape-wrapper - what's this for? is it related? Thanks, Jay -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Why no asWedit .deb package?
I only ask because they have one on their site @ http://www.advasoft.com/. I downloaded it but haven't installed. I'm afraid it will trash my dpkg database or something like that. Does anyone know of any problems with their .deb? Thanks, G.S. _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
--- George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, Gary Singleton wrote: --- John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the accepted method of sending a file to a person that MUST not get into unfriendly hands, but needs to get between users that have no access to the other's machine, due to dynamic PPP and hostile ISPs, then? Look at the Linux package sendfile and the preliminary draft of the RFC for the saft profocol. The way it works is this: I send a file to [EMAIL PROTECTED] That machine collects the file and puts it in a configurable holding area. Then the recipient is notified that a file is waiting for them and they can choose to accept or reject the file. If it is rejected, it is deleted. If accepted, it is placed in the user's directory. Well, it certainly _seems_ to fit all of the stated requirements. I found http://www.belwue.de/aktivitaeten/projekte/saft/index-us.html doing a quick search for it. Good stuff, and it's being done the right way; an RFC in place of a megapowerful software house just forcing features as new standards. I like it. Thanks George. G.S. George Bonser Support The THING -- http://shorelink.com/~grep/THING.html _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
--- Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 04, 1999 at 02:45:33PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: Look at the Linux package sendfile and the preliminary draft of the RFC for the saft profocol. The way it works is this: I send a file to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Curious. The long-gone ACSnet (Australian Computer Society network) had a similar service, with binaries also named fetchfile and sendfile. One of the university systems I have access to still has the binaries installed, actually. I think the binaries came with Sun3, originally. A search for +acsnet +fetchfile on altavista will even tell you how to get the X11R5 sources off ACSnet. There is also a reference on the SAFT/sendfile site to Bitnet having this function so it apparently has roots. G.S. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
--- Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 04, 1999 at 08:46:04AM -0700, Gary Singleton wrote: No they don't! My wife routinely gets attachments in the 300-600K range from her friend back home. Yesterday, her friend sent a couple of files called something like easterbunny.exe both about 1.5M. Obviously this is a DOS|Windows executable file of no use to her anyway. Probably a stupid jumping bunny greeting card! The fact that these things are useless to you is seperate to their size. There are small, useless attachments just as much as their are large, useful ones. I don't think we should ignore large, useful attachments just because large, useless ones exist. Good point but downloading a large attachment, useful or otherwise, is extremely annoying on a slow dialup connection. Small attachments are much less annoying since my mail still comes down in a reasonable amount of time. I have a concern that if it becomes an acceptable practice amongst users with fast links that they will not consider those of us with simple dial up access when sending these massive attachments. I maintain that there are better methods of accomplishing file transfer than via e-mail and that large file transfer by email becoming acceptable is a bad thing. I don't anticipate sending any more comments on this subject; it's getting a little old and I don't expect that anyone will make a significant opinion change. It's also not really on topic for the debian-user list. Direct e-mail is welcome though (without large attachments) ;-). G.S. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
--- Jiri Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Stefan Nobis: Do you get the point? To send emails bigger than about 40-80KB without being asked to do so and without asking the recipient is not very nice and i would call it an offence. Your point being? Everyone knows that you shouldn't in general send files over about 50 KB (or at least everyone that's read RFC 1855). Everyone knows you shouldn't send large amounts of unsolicited information to people. No they don't! My wife routinely gets attachments in the 300-600K range from her friend back home. Yesterday, her friend sent a couple of files called something like easterbunny.exe both about 1.5M. Obviously this is a DOS|Windows executable file of no use to her anyway. Probably a stupid jumping bunny greeting card! This friend has a cable modem so doesn't notice the time it would take to download a file that size. I conversely have a 33.6 dialup connection. If I were fetching that file from pop3 I would have been really upset. Luckily my wife uses a yahoo.com webmail account like I do so I was able to see the message while it sat on yahoo's server and delete it when I saw what kind of file it was without having to download it. So, from experience, everyone does not know and most don't care. IMO all mailers should be _required_ to limit attachment size and inform the user of a proper way to handle file transfer. As an aside, this person sends .doc files regularly too; luckily we're not susceptible to their evils. Regards, G.S. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
--- John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the accepted method of sending a file to a person that MUST not get into unfriendly hands, but needs to get between users that have no access to the other's machine, due to dynamic PPP and hostile ISPs, then? Dynamic IP addresses can be taken care of using services like dyndns.org, ddns.org many others. My machine is online several hours a day using dyndns, I have the proftpd server running and can allow secure access via this or even using Apache. If I was to have such a hostile ISP I would switch to one of the many available in most areas of the world. Many ISPs however might be considered hostile by newbies for not allowing large attachments or charging for excess mail storage. This method should be as easy and as transportable as POPmail, not involve other servers in any way save routing, be able to be used internationally, and ensure delivery to only the intended person. Why, just to bend the rules to your definition of what the method should be? That's a little like saying I'm now using the internet, you must all bend to my definition of what e-mail should be. Give up? Well so do I. Solve this problem before you beef about how large attachments to email is evil. You can give up if you like, but I'll continue to take the position that e-mail is for message exchange not file exchange. There are established methods for secure file transfer by the way, e-mail is most definitely not the most secure method of transfer for any file that MUST not get into unfriendly hands. I will continue to beef about large attachments when they are sent to me and mine unrequested unwelcome. There are solutions available if you would look, perhaps they're not as easy and transportable but they are there, they are established and they are the proper way of handling large file transfer, secure or not. Regards, G.S. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: GNOME query
Does icewm-gnome offer anything that icewm doesn't? I like icewm primarily for it's simplicity and apparent low resource usage. Is the gnome version just built using the gnome libraries? Thanks, G.S. --- Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 4 Apr 1999 02:25:15 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Query: how do I start it? I ran panel and got a nice panel. Later I ran gnome-session, which told me that panel was already running and asked if I want another. Gnome, uhm, isn't really started. It is a collection of libraries and an API which Gnome compliant programs use to share information. To see Gnome in action you'll most likely need to get some of the Gnome utilities. What's the best window manager to use to? I installed enlightment (never used this before either!) and all I get from it is a bar up the top. No default configuration? Strange. Personally, I prefer icewm-gnome. YMMV, however. Enlightenment is nice and flashy, but over X/VNC to my Winbox it is too slow to really be useful. Please help me make this do something useful. :-) Get some of the Gnome programs, best advice I think anyone can give you. Uhm, in dslect (dunno if you use that) look for anything which has gnome- at the start. Not quite sure how to do that with dpkg or apt. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNwZCrXpf7K2LbpnFEQIWJACdGjkEQPD9KWbKDLFXxsMTuoD+m/cAoOEt q6U2Xv7cqOsrqWd1txBZmL/b =F9K5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Newbie Questions
--- Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --snip-- .xinitrc is used if you start X with 'startx' and .xession if you run xdm. This can't be right, as I use startx and .xsession. Right, I use startx and I don't even have an .xinitrc. I did do a custom .xsession though. Regards, G.S. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
Well, I don't really want to get involved in the large e-mail attachment debate but I saw a news item about this the other day. It's supposed to give you like 20M of internet storage - mostly for transfering files. I have no use for it but it _might_ work for something like that. Otherwise I guess you would have to have some kind of permanent ftp or even http storage. For internal intranet stuff the ftp thing would work great; most of the companies that I've worked for have limits on e-mail attachments since it causes so much traffic (or something like that). Regards, G.S. PS - My opinion though is that I _hate_ getting attachments - takes forever to download since I _am_ on a dialup account. --- Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 1999 at 08:45:09PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: The technology is there to send large files easily. Embed a URL into an email message and most email clients will automatically launch either the FTP client to get the file, or the browser which has FTP capabilities to get the file. This is the proper thing to do since it then lets the other end decide not only *IF* they want the file, but *when* then want the file. If the sending user is on a dialup connection, how on earth can this work? Think about it. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
I always forget the URL - sorry. http://www.mydocsonline.com/ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
ppp problems...
Hi Debian-User, can someone tell me what this snippet of my ppp.log file is trying to tell me? Everything seems to be working OK but I didn't get these Unsupported protocol problems until recently. Is it something with my new ISP? Or is it because I compiled a custom 2.0.36 kernel? Or could it be because I recently did a dist-upgrade to slink? Any assistance is most appreciated. Thanks in advance, Gary Singleton _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Mar 29 20:34:48 zorak pppd[14962]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x6f magic=0xc399707] Mar 29 20:34:48 zorak pppd[14962]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x6f magic=0x1f8ff964] Mar 29 20:35:18 zorak pppd[14962]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x70 magic=0xc399707] Mar 29 20:35:18 zorak pppd[14962]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x70 magic=0x1f8ff964] Mar 29 20:35:48 zorak pppd[14962]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x71 magic=0xc399707] Mar 29 20:35:48 zorak pppd[14962]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x71 magic=0x1f8ff964] Mar 29 20:36:18 zorak pppd[14962]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x72 magic=0xc399707] Mar 29 20:36:18 zorak pppd[14962]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x72 magic=0x1f8ff964] Mar 29 20:36:48 zorak pppd[14962]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x73 magic=0xc399707] Mar 29 20:36:48 zorak pppd[14962]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x73 magic=0x1f8ff964] Mar 29 20:37:18 zorak pppd[14962]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x74 magic=0xc399707] Mar 29 20:37:18 zorak pppd[14962]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x74 magic=0x1f8ff964] Mar 29 20:37:48 zorak pppd[14962]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x75 magic=0xc399707] Mar 29 20:37:48 zorak pppd[14962]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x75 magic=0x1f8ff964] Mar 29 20:38:18 zorak pppd[14962]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x76 magic=0xc399707] Mar 29 20:38:22 zorak pppd[14962]: rcvd [proto=0x128e] d5 1b 5b cb 07 24 bb c2 4d e8 3b 70 e7 09 17 05 3d 63 df 43 09 04 1b 82 35 03 71 ad c4 22 9a 84 9b 6a b7 85 b0 2e 75 bb 82 c7 b0 8f 6f f5 c6 78 ce 9c 0f ef f9 50 7a 8b c9 b8 ee d7 58 5a 14 c5 ce 41 62 a2 09 26 c0 5b 52 7a 84 22 a5 a9 Mar 29 20:38:22 zorak pppd[14962]: 66 dc d8 09 07 4c b7 36 1b eb 08 aa a3 22 b5 02 27 19 d3 6b 38 23 c4 d4 24 d0 ab f8 53 24 1e a7 04 2d 0a 62 fc e2 91 aa 14 73 5f 50 3d f5 10 b2 97 99 20 a5 08 22 d7 3a 0b 5b ae fe 8b 7d 30 c0 d4 a4 4d f3 4d 4b 81 d7 ce 8f d9 db 1a 22 ad 24 95 94 a6 7e 5a Mar 29 20:38:22 zorak pppd[14962]: c4 dc 8e 75 3f 4f d3 0b 42 99 24 da 52 54 4e a4 5f 60 06 9d d6 f5 42 8a d7 60 ab 1d c1 d8 6e 34 ea 86 2f 3f 2e 52 1c 4b cd 29 17 d4 82 2c 3d fa e1 17 6a d2 46 f7 9e 97 4a ad 72 03 e2 fe b8 29 27 a3 0e 2d 77 12 45 00 82 08 b0 dc 03 ec 86 ae 12 95 65 0a 20 Mar 29 20:38:22 zorak pppd[14962]: 70 b9 d3 bb f6 c3 44 56 a4 92 2c aa 84 b1 ea cc ea 7d 7e ff 00 42 9e 35 a6 4c 7f 87 4b 20 a7 42 79 e4 9f db 0b 42 87 5d 35 8b 15 6a 35 27 df cd 1a 2d 36 56 a7 4d b5 eb ea b4 78 cc cc bb 87 e0 e6 9a 72 e2 f6 4a c1 f4 46 ce 16 90 6d cf 22 e5 3b df df b6 33 Mar 29 20:38:22 zorak pppd[14962]: 14 78 8c 2f 80 d2 a6 d3 73 54 d2 cb e6 e9 2e 36 3c 99 d3 ef d5 1c ef 3c 84 36 ec db 6d fc 54 36 f8 47 de e5 9d 26 2f 7c 5b 38 dc b6 0f a9 ba c3 99 5c 43 59 90 e1 56 89 50 37 1a f5 de 28 c9 26 82 d8 90 5b ca ba 97 4e 98 2e 1e bc c6 e4 f9 9f 5c 64 69 c9 b5 Mar 29 20:38:22 zorak pppd[14962]: f8 fe 4a 76 a2 93 f9 a0 2c 1d 0e e2 e6 dd 49 cc 14 a4 db c8 00 f6 47 54 e1 b7 1b 34 36 2c 92 92 00 27 4b f0 f7 f4 75 c7 27 d3 94 85 55 a9 c1 3c 13 65 1e dc c7 e9 11 d5 b8 68 1f 12 4b f7 7b 23 61 ba 64 f7 80 0e 54 e4 e6 17 5e c3 f3 c0 66 97 95 59 2f 2a ff Mar 29 20:38:22 zorak pppd[14962]: 00 17 88 16 dc 93 b0 03 73 a0 8a 86 ab 4a ab 4c 54 9f 7a 52 5d e7 25 dc cb 62 83 d1 72 c9 02 e3 5d 52 78 1d 88 d4 47 49 d7 70 cb 35 f7 a5 55 32 fb 81 86 56 14 b6 00 e8 bc 38 a1 47 7b 11 70 46 c4 1d 60 17 11 52 dc c3 f2 8d b1 4f a4 48 4e 94 24 05 Mar 29 20:38:22 zorak pppd[14962]: Unsupported protocol (0x128e) received Mar 29 20:38:22 zorak pppd[14962]: sent [LCP ProtRej id=0x5b 12 8e d5 1b 5b cb 07 24 bb c2 4d e8 3b 70 e7 09 17 05 3d 63 df 43 09 04 1b 82 35 03 71 ad c4 22 9a 84 9b 6a b7 85 b0 2e 75 bb 82 c7 b0 8f 6f f5 c6 78 ce 9c 0f ef f9 50 7a 8b c9 b8 ee d7 58 5a 14 c5 ce 41 62 a2 09 26 c0 5b 52 7a Mar 29 20:38:22 zorak pppd[14962]: 84 22 a5 a9 66 dc d8 09 07 4c b7 36 1b eb 08 aa a3 22 b5 02 27 19 d3 6b 38 23 c4 d4 24 d0 ab f8 53 24 1e a7 04 2d 0a 62 fc e2 91 aa 14 73 5f 50 3d f5 10 b2 97 99 20 a5 08 22 d7 3a 0b 5b ae fe 8b 7d 30 c0 d4 a4 4d f3 4d 4b 81 d7 ce 8f d9 db 1a 22 ad 24 95 Mar 29 20:38:22 zorak pppd[14962]: 94 a6 7e 5a c4 dc 8e 75 3f 4f d3 0b 42 99 24 da 52 54 4e a4 5f 60 06 9d d6 f5 42 8a d7 60 ab 1d c1 d8 6e 34 ea 86 2f 3f 2e 52 1c 4b cd 29 17 d4 82 2c 3d fa e1 17 6a d2 46 f7 9e 97 4a ad 72 03 e2 fe b8 29 27 a3 0e 2d 77 12 45 00 82 08 b0 dc 03 ec 86 ae 12 Mar 29 20:38:22 zorak pppd[14962]: 95 65 0a 20 70 b9 d3 bb f6 c3 44 56 a4 92 2c aa 84 b1 ea cc ea 7d 7e ff 00 42 9e 35 a6 4c 7f 87 4b 20 a7 42 79 e4 9f db 0b 42 87 5d 35 8b 15 6a 35 27 df cd 1a 2d 36 56 a7 4d b5 eb ea b4 78 cc cc bb 87 e0 e6 9a 72 e2 f6 4a c1 f4
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
--- Laurent PICOULEAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --snippage-- No, you could even retrieve this kind of features with bsod, a linux application to emulate Win1895 BSOD (Blue Screen Of Death). I've saw it a loong time ago either on sunsite or tsx-11 :-)) If anyone can find this please let me know, it would be a nice gag to play on my M$ loving pals g. --more snippage-- Well, in fact I only miss some games but dual boot is made for that, isn'it ? I've been beta-testing the Linux version of Civilization: Call to Power from Loki Entertainment Software and I'm really impressed. I've been a Civ addict since it's debut in what 1991 - 1192? Freeciv is pretty good but not as good as the real thing. Maybe if it sells well enough, LokiSoft will be able to port more things over. The SDL (Simple Directmedia Layer) that it runs on looks promising for game development and there are some other tools available too. Oh, BTW it dropped right in to Debian with a couple of .deb libraries and the SDL in /local - easy install. References: LokiSoft - http://www.lokisoft.com/ Civ - http://www4.activision.com/games/civilization/ SDL - http://www.devolution.com/~slouken/SDL/ Regards, G.S. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Red Hat, HP Linux...
First I'd like to thank all respondents to my Coupla quick questions... message, I've a much better handle on those things now :-). I was really surprised to learn that HP's Firemonkey or whatever it is was a Red Hat specific product. I worked as a contractor at HP a while back and got to know a little about the internal Linux community there. I was aware of at least two Debian developers that were active on the internal Linux newsgroup. Of course, management probably didn't bother to get input from these people; I'm sure they instead hired an outside Linux consultant who assured them that Red Hat was the way to go and that all future Linux products would conform to Red Hat's standards. I know a couple of these guys here that know even less about Linux than I do but are able to sound like experts. Unfortunately, they became consultants by going to CompUSA, picking up a box full of Red Hat, installing a couple of times and learning enough buzzwords to impress the clueless. Life really is like a Dilbert cartoon isn't it? Anyway, the point is - IMHO there _is_ a danger in Red Hat becoming dominant; not on technical merit but by increasing mindshare. Is this not how Microsoft became dominant? Microsoft has rarely been technically superior but has been able to dominate most markets because of mindshare. I'm not saying that Red Hat is behaving like Microsoft but power corrupts and if|when they dominate the Linux market(85%+) things may change. Maybe I'm still bitter over the whole Geoworks Ensemble thing ;-). Thanks for everything, Gary Singleton (sorry for the incoherency, need sleep) _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
FWIW you might want to check out [EMAIL PROTECTED] (is that corny or what?). It's actually pretty neat you can do _everything_ through a browser. Download options are MS-Money, Quicken or comma delimited ASCII. Of course there are a lot of potential reasons not to like it including being used to Quicken or concerned about security or whatever. I don't use it but I might in the future. FYI, G.S. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
Sorry! - http://www.netbank.com/ G.S. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Coupla quick questions...
Hello Debian users! I usually just lurk and learn that way but I have a few quick questions that I would appreciate a little info on. 1.) I somehow managed to delete my /var/log/news directory and was getting boot errors. I apparently fixed it by recreating the directory as root but that made the /news subdir owned by root:root. Is this correct or should it be owned by root:news? 2.) I noticed in my /var/log/syslog that when connecting to my ISP I got the message modprobe: can't locate module char-major-10. I checked the archives and dejanews and found some discussion but all I could garner was to alias it to off in /etc/conf.modules. I did it and the message went away but I don't really understand what I did. 3.) I think when I recompiled my kernel for sound I somehow lost what used to be called slhc or slip header compression - I use PPP so I don't know if I need it but... 4.) What does Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP mean? I checked the archives/dejanews and determined that I prolly don't need it so I turned it off in /etc/ppp/peers/provider but I'd still like to know what it's for. 5.) (Last one I swear!) I noticed in my ppp.log that my ISP may be trying chap first before pap - I'll post the relevant parts of the log if necessary but here's what looks important: ...pppd[174]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq...auth chap 05... ...pppd[174]: sent [LCP ConfRej... ...pppd[174]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq...auth chap 05... ...pppd[174]: send [LCP ConfNak...auth pap ...pppd[174]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq...auth pap Then it does some more stuff. Should I change my config to chap? TIA, G.S. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Help connecting with Earthlink
I switched to Earthlink a couple of months ago and tried many, many different configurations (PAP, CHAP, whatever) until I realized I had to put in my username as ELN/username in place of just username that I had become accustomed to. Apparently it's because they lease they're dial up numbers from Sprint (at least here in Boise, ID). HTH, Gary Singleton _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Fwd: Installing debian with Win98]
I think I got it right this time :-). I converted the image to the right size / color depth and went ahead with naming it logo.sys. It is a link at http://www.cyberhighway.net/~gsinglet/. You can shift+click on it in Netscape Linux and it will download; I have to assume '9x Netscape or Exploiter would also work. I also loaded an old (original) copy of '95 and it worked on it. There is a thumbnail image so you can kind of see what it looks like. LMK if this doesn't work this time. Regards, Gary Singleton ---Carey Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Singleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, so what I did is modify Rob @ slashdot's excellent 'Linux - Don't Fear the Penguins.' artwork (http://slashdot.org/linux/index.shtml) resized/converted it to a 400x320x256 bitmap named logo.bmp. I posted it at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/2361/logo.bmp if anybody wants to try it. Unfortunately that's the wrong size. :( MS went for a 320 wide by 400 high logo, with rectangular pixels. Also, Geocities transmits .bmp files as text/plain, so Netscape tries to display them. -- Carey Evans http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ Larry froze. Was the bag a trap? He could see the way in, but the other end appeared to be sealed. _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re:[Fwd: Installing debian with Win98][OT?]
Yep, or just shift+click on the link. I just did it real quick but it would be cool to modify as a shut-down screen with a phrase something like 'It is now safe to boot into your _real_ OS'. Or something. This may be getting off topic and since the list is already extremely busy... G.S. ---Kirk Hogenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Apparantly your browser isn't configured to automatically handle .bmp (bitmap) files. If you are using Netscape, you can right-click on the link, then select Save Link As... and save the .bmp file somewhere on your disk, and look at it with an image-viewer program. Other browsers should have the a similar option. Kirk _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Re:[Fwd: Installing debian with Win98][OT?]
Hi David, agreed - I've become so used to HTML mail readers that I forget everyone isn't using one. I was in too much of a hurry it seems to get it on the internet and my geocities space was the only space accessible from behind my firewall here at work. I will put it on my Debian logo site @ http://www.cyberhighway.net/~gsinglet/ as soon as I can and put a thumbnail / link to it. I'm also cautious about spamming the list with references to my websites. I suppose I was also _assuming_ that anyone interested in a '9x startup screen would be using one of those so called operating systems at the time and most don't use Lynx, Elm or Pine under '9x. Thanks for the reminder and my apologies to all. Regards, G.S. ---David Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Gary Singleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Yep, or just shift+click on the link. I just did it real quick but it would be cool to modify as a shut-down screen with a phrase something like 'It is now safe to boot into your _real_ OS'. Or something. This may be getting off topic and since the list is already extremely busy... I think their response might be that they don't have a link to right-click on: they have a URL written on some screen (or even a piece of paper). The URL ought to point to a page of HTML with the binary file's name as a link within it. But I like your unintended smiley (albeit upsidedown) in the original posting: root directory (C:\). ^ Cheers, -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 Snail: David Wright, Earth Science Dept., Milton Keynes, England, MK7 6AA Disclaimer: These addresses are only for reaching me, and do not signify official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised. _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: time daemon
I don't think it runs in daemon mode but I always use netdate - I have mine in a script for ip.up so it synchs every time I connect and also runs 'hwclock --systohc --utc'. HTH, G.S. ---Ralph Winslow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've forgotten the name of the package that provides a daemon to synchronize the time on my workstation to specified time-servers on the net. Could some kind soul jog my memory? TIA --snip-- _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [Fwd: Installing debian with Win98]
OK, so what I did is modify Rob @ slashdot's excellent 'Linux - Don't Fear the Penguins.' artwork (http://slashdot.org/linux/index.shtml) resized/converted it to a 400x320x256 bitmap named logo.bmp. I posted it at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/2361/logo.bmp if anybody wants to try it. I don't have a 95/98 system to try it on so... I guesss all you would have to do would be to rn (or ren in doswinland) it to logo.sys and put it in your root directory (C:\). FWIW, G.S. ---Chang, FKK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- From: Ed Cogburn[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 7 januari 1999 8:21 To: Debian-Users Cc: recipient.list.not.shown Subject:Re: [Fwd: Installing debian with Win98] Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: Now, if I could only get that silly Window$ logo at boot time replaced with something more Linux, like a penguin ... Just in case you don't know: You can disable that Windows boot logo with an entry in msdos.sys (a text file now) of Logo=0 in the Options section. Works for W95. Replacing it with a penguin is an entirely different matter, though. :-) No it isn't... the file c:\logo.sys is in fact a .bmp file (Pathetic MS attempt to ensure nobody changes their logo) HTH, Felix _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
bash/sh scripting tutorial?
Hi everyone, I'm starting to find a lot of things that could be made easier on my system if I could write better scripts. Are there any tutorials available? I know about the O'Reilly bash book but just need something to get started and explain to me what the heck stuff like 'if [ -x /bin/blah ]' means. I have gathered that it checks for the existance of a command before trying to execute it but would like to be certain. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Gary Singleton _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
xbase install problem solved - now another question
Hi Debian users, I solved my xbase installation problem by installing several packages before trying to install it. They weren't depends but they goofed it up somehow. Now I have a question about this dangling link I have in /usr/X11/lib/X11/XF86Config that is supposed to be going to /etc/X11/XF86Config which isn't there. I really don't care since I don't use the XF86Config anyway but I am curious - supposedly this is in the xserver-vga16 package but when I tried that I still didn't have it. Also, why does the info on the xserver-s3v say something about not using it and instead using the svga server? Finally, why does xserver-vga16 give me a warning about not having an x server wrapper? Using hamm - new install from CD. Thanks, G.S. _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
xbase-3.3.2.2-4 installation problems
Hi everyone, I have been trying to get a new system installed without much luck. I am bailing out of the installation before the standard package selection part and then just running Access - Update in dselect before I quit dselect. Then I want to install all the .deb packages by hand. I check dependencies myself and install necessary files and it works pretty good. I have only had one problem doing it this way and that is when I try to install xbase after installing xlib6g and all the other dependencies I get the error: ln: cannot symbolic link '../../../doc/X11' to '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc': no such file or directory and it exits dpkg. I've done a dejanews search and found reports of the problem but no solutions. I have one message that says to create the symlinks by hand but the given command lines didn't work and being relatively new I got confused by where '../../../doc/X11' really is - I know it's three levels back but from what starting point? Thanks in advance for any assistance, Gary Singleton _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Problems running Netscape
Hi, I got that error today when I loaded WP8 on my test system (new hamm load) solved it by loading xpm4.7 from /oldlibs on my hamm cd. HTH, G.S. --- On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Richard Holden wrote: The X system appears to working just fine. But, when I try to run Netscape I get an error message saying that Netscape can't load libXpm.so.4. I have looked around and determined that libxpm.so.4 exists on my system as a link to libXpm.so.4.10. _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux ishere! (fwd)
For me somewhere between downloading the files on an NT system, burning them to CD over the network on a '95 system and then copying them to my Debian system the filenames became all caps. I had to rename all the files to lowercase i.e. GUI00 to gui00 (after they were gunzipped). Then I tar -xvf gui00 each of them one at a time - then ran ./Runme. It took two times through the same routine to make it work - then it installed OK. It's OK and probably will help to sell more winders ppl on Linux but I'm not all that impressed. HTH, G.S. ---virtanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got it, but I haven't figured out quite how to install it. un-tgz'ing produces a handful of directories, a Readme, and a Runme. The Readme says to untar and ungzip everything, then run the Runme The runme asks if you've untarred things, and decides there's nothign new to do if you say yes. If you say no, it untars, but still doesn't do anything. The executables end up in ./linux/bin I assume there's some option i'm missing to figure out to tell it to use /usr/local or some such, but it beats me as to where . . . I had earlier wp8 demo version. I remember that there was some problem to find the right executable to start the program... did the setup program start at all by running 'runme'? I think that with the demo version the executable was xwp... did you find such a file? [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. I tried to dowload it as well, but no success. Nothing happens, when I hit the dowload button. it is tellinf that are two downloads. _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Network cards.
Just make sure you don't buy a WinNIC! - just kidding, couldn't resist, sorry. http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html will tell you what (not) to get. HTH, G.S. ---Brent McMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be setting up a network between my linux box and 2 other machines for a cable modem. I hear that there are some network cards that just don't work for linux. Crazy I know, but that's the rumour. Does any one know off any cards I should avoid or any they would recomend? Thanks. Brent. == -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT d-(+) s:++: a30 C++$ UL++$ P+ L++ E- W++ N++ o+ K? w--(---) O- M- V- PS PE(+) Y+ PGP(-) t+ 5 X+ R- tv(+) b+ DI++(+++) D(++) G e++ h r+++ y+++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Just My 2 Cents
Comments inline: ---Richard Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the 'real' truth is that most of the microsoft stuff is actually quite good. With the latest versions of service paks installed things are very slick on windows NT. The real truth is that Microsoft pushes products out before they are ready and count on their service packs to fix _real_ problems. Linux UNIX have patches yes, but they are usually to add to the installation or fix minor issues not to fix gaping holes in the product. I have debian and winnt-workstation running on two machines on my desk. Sure at first glance it appears that linux is faster, but look at all the services running on NT and what they do for me. If I install new hardware on my winnt box at least I don't have to compile and link a new kernel. Another interesting comparision is application installation. I wonder how many people really prefer to use dselect to the microsoft way of doing things. Linux _is_ much faster for exactly the reason you give - the lack of services running. Linux has the same functionality of the NT 'services' without the overhead by using daemons. What do these services really do _for_ you - explorer.exe is using about 3M right now except I'm not 'exploring' - I'm idle. Even sitting here Idle I'm using 63M of 64M physical RAM with no file cache. I have 64M RAM at home I never hit my swap no matter what I do - when I used to run NT Workstation on the same machine it thrashed constantly - same stuff; web browsing, text editing, etc. I was using IE on it so that may have been part of the problem. I use NT here at work because that's what I have to do but I really can't stand the lethargic behaviour of this system - twice as powerful as my home computer by the way. From my experience if you add a hardware device to an NT system you may not be able to get back into the OS to worry about software configuration. I'm no novice either - I have my MCP status (BFD) and have been installing and troubleshooting NT since 3.51. It's head and shoulders above Windows 9x but there is no comparison to Linux. I have been working my _entire_ day trying to get a brand new NT machine to accept a NIC - three physical NICs, about 20 reboots and probably 8-10 lockups later I think I have it. This same configuration loaded up Hamm without a hiccup using the stock HP NIC driver. I'd rather use Linux with modules than NT with drivers any day. I do however agree that software installation could be made a bit more uniform and consistent and I don't use dselect anyway - I just dpkg -i everything but it's a small price to pay for control over the installation / deinstallation. Both systems to be very stable and reliable. You haven't used enough NT machines then. With optimal hardware and 'kid glove' treatment NT can do a fine job as a desktop OS for most people but it is not now and will never be a good server OS - at least not without a complete rewrite from scratch. In my location we have had in the past week two NT server crashes that brought down basically the whole place not to mention the IIS problems that have been plaguing our intranet. Perhaps a more interesting question is; how many unix applications would windows users like to run on their machines? I run anything I want on my NT desktop by linking to my Debian system with ReflectionsX server. I run multiple xterms, xbill g, slrn, elm, vi and anything else I've ever tried. Using my real applications this way is vastly superior to using Outlook or MS-Word. Maybe the real benefit of linux is that it encourages people not to have one dimensional thinking and consider alternatives. I think the real benefit of Linux is that it's better, cleaner faster. Sure it takes a little or a lot more effort but it's well worth it. I don't think it will be a big desktop OS for a while because most people couldn't handle it but it's been viable as a server for quite some time. Regards, Gary Singleton _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Unix book
My recommendations ( a lot of other peoples) all from O'Reilly all my opinion: Running Linux - now in it's second edition but I still have the first - not much changed. It's a really good overview of Linux and IMO the best book for a new user. Some people like Linux for Dummies but I can't stand the dummy/idiot/moron/dumba** series myself. If you only want to buy one book buy this one. Linux in a Nutshell - the best Linux quick ref available hands down for me a great learning tool - not as comprehensive about each command as the manpages but usually enough to get the job done. Essential System Administration - of great value to me but you might not need or want it. It's not focused on Linux but on many flavours of *n[iu]x. HTH, G.S. ---[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone recommend a good Unix/ Linux book to learn the ins and outs of the system? It seems that the O'Reilly publishers seem to publish some good stuff. I've really enjoyed the Learning GNU Emacs and C++. Thanks. Also, with dselect how do I download more packages without downloading everything that is in the default? Thanks again. I also would like to add that I am very, very impressed with this list. it is the most friendliest and helpful group I've been on. You ask a question and you get an immediate answer (without being told your stupid:) not to mention, the answers usually work. TTYS Tom _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: 128 MB RAM
IIRC you have to type the full line 'append mem=128M' including the 'append' part. HTH, G.S. - ---Michael B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 01, 1998 at 07:48:15AM +0100, Daniel Elenius wrote: Dana G Haugli writes: Hi! I have 128 MB of RAM on my computer, but Linux only recognizes up to 64 MB. I have tried adding mem=128M to my lilo config file as recommended in the HARDWARE HOWTO, but that doesn't seem to work. Any suggestions? -snip- _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: My binaries won't run
I'm kinda stupid so take what I say with a grain of salt but I think it is either the file is not set executable or it's not in the path. For the first do an ls -l on the file and make sure it is executable (duh). For the second type ./filename and see if it works then. HTH, G.S. ---[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Thanks to everyone who helped with my ftp problem. I got every thing running now. I've downloaded emacs and g++ and it seems to work fine. I've created a mytest program and it compiled fine. When I try to execute mytest I get bash:mytest: command not found So how do you invoke your c++ binaries? Thanks. tom _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
