Re: OT: Petition: StarCraft 2 for Linux
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 23:50 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/23/07 20:33, Greg Folkert wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 15:55 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: At least it's related to Linux :) To make it short here is the link: http://www.petitiononline.com/ibpfl/petition.html If you liked StarCraft (and/or other Blizzard games) then please sign. Wouldn't it be more productive in convincing Blizzard there is a market for their products among people who use Linux by buying the Linux versions of other vendors games instead? Explain to me... what BIG games are there for Linux ... NOT Wine enabled. How many sales will that take a away from Blizzard... the WoW has shown people will use Windows to play it period. Why shoudl it change and cater to 5% that will cause 80-90% of the problems (in their eyes) WoW, you know that MMPORG so hugely successful, best one since UO. Speaking of UO, it has a Linux client at one time. They dropped (and banned) it, it caused 60% of the play problems across the board and yet only about 15 users used it (me being one). Wasn't that ~6 months ago? No, try 6 years ago. Of course they could have done another since then. I haven't played any games since since Unreal Tournament and UT2003/2004. Then when my two licenses numbers became invalid for online play, I stopped playing twitch games all together. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Read OpenXML Excel file in OpenOffice.org?
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 22:02 -0700, Dusty Wilson wrote: On 5/23/07, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dusty Wilson wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted I have data that was exported from MySQL Query Browser to what appears to be an OpenXML-formatted Excel document. I can't seem to get OpenOffice.org to open it. Do you guys know how to go about opening this document? Might try saving it in the traditional Excel format and see if OpenOffice can open that. Contrary to the name, OpenXML is not open. Nobody but Microsoft supports it, and only in recent versions of MS Office. The real problem is that I have files already stored in this non-binary format and I can't open them. I didn't see a way to export from MySQL Query Browser to Excel in any other format, but I could be wrong. But really, that's not the issue. I just wanted to be able to open these (or any other) files that are formatted in this format. Regarding OpenXML's openness, it seems like it should be easier for us to develop for since we don't (or shouldn't at least!) have to reverse-engineer it. 6000+ single spaced pages of specifications, plus an additional 3000+ pages of external reference and in any case, it does binary encapsulation for legacy excel formats. I'm hoping someone is working to get code into upstream OOo so we can start reading those files. I refuse to install Novell's special version of OOo, so unless there is a nice way to go about reading these files, I'll just do without. Then you are out of luck. I am sure there is someone somewhere doing it. In all reality though, it'll probably be YEARS before it'll show up. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Query on adding a USB hdd
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 17:01 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/23/07 16:18, Mike McCarty wrote: [snip] It compromises sharability. If the goal is to share info, then why encrypt? If the goal is to protect info, then physical security is the way to go. Adding encryption only slows down access in a case like that. After all the stories about laptops full of sensitive data being stolen, and tapes full of sensitive data being lost, you still have to ask why someone wants to encrypt private data? It comes to mind; why all this data is on a portable device in the first place? -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: OT: Petition: StarCraft 2 for Linux
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 15:55 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: At least it's related to Linux :) To make it short here is the link: http://www.petitiononline.com/ibpfl/petition.html If you liked StarCraft (and/or other Blizzard games) then please sign. Wouldn't it be more productive in convincing Blizzard there is a market for their products among people who use Linux by buying the Linux versions of other vendors games instead? Explain to me... what BIG games are there for Linux ... NOT Wine enabled. How many sales will that take a away from Blizzard... the WoW has shown people will use Windows to play it period. Why shoudl it change and cater to 5% that will cause 80-90% of the problems (in their eyes) WoW, you know that MMPORG so hugely successful, best one since UO. Speaking of UO, it has a Linux client at one time. They dropped (and banned) it, it caused 60% of the play problems across the board and yet only about 15 users used it (me being one). It was more problem than it was worth for them, would still be to this day. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Install Vmware player on debian unstable.
On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 06:35 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Surachai Locharoen wrote: I use debian unstable (linux kernel 2.6.20). I want to install vmware player 2.0 but I can't compile vmware module. It is a segmentation fault. There are warning message about version incompatible of gcc. However I still compile it. I am not sure it is a problem. Anybody know?, how to debug it or fix it. Thank. This is message from vmware-config.pl : None of the pre-built vmmon modules for VMware Player is suitable for your running kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module for your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? [yes] Using compiler /usr/bin/gcc. Use environment variable CC to override. Your kernel was built with gcc version 4.1.2, while you are trying to use /usr/bin/gcc version 4.1.3. This configuration is not recommended and VMware Player may crash if you'll continue. Please try to use exactly same compiler as one used for building your kernel. Do you want to go with compiler skip It tells you the problem: the kernel from unstable has been compiled with gcc-4.1.2 and you are using gcc-4.1.3 to install vmware stuff. It might crash and it did. Use a different kernel: compile your own and it will install. I have vmware and vmware-player running just fine. This problem is addressed in the vmware-any-any patches available. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Blacklisting genrtc
On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 11:20 +0300, David Baron wrote: I want rtc to load rather than genrtc. I had this blacklisted somewhere but that has vanished. Putting this in /etc/hotplug/blacklist did not help. Where must it go? /etc/modprobe.d/ In there I create a file called: blacklist-hostname Such as blacklist-duke Then in the file put the line: blacklist genrtc The reason I make a separate file rather than the blacklist file is that during upgrade you won;t get asked if you want to keep the changes, it just will keep them. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: XFS Filesystem problem
On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 12:03 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 03:45:01PM +0200, Andreas Grabner wrote: can anybody explain the following to me? It happens in full production use. Should i change back to ext3 ? I can't explain it since I've never had a kernel error and never used XFS. Not that I'm suggesting that they go together :). Personally, I use JFS with flaky power and have never had a problem. I can say the same about XFS. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 16:41 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Frans, Cord, Martin, Pascal, I'm writing the listmasters because reading debian-user has become nearly unbearable for me (one of the sadly few DDs who bothers to read our user lists) due to volume and offensiveness/repetativeness of offtopic posts there. I've in the past threatened to leave -user entirely, and I have in fact moved a lot of my attention to providing support on forums.debian.net[4], but I would prefer that Debian articulate a policy of not tolerating this kind of behavior. Out of 2861 posts to -user this May, 407 (one in seven) have been labeled OT.[1][2] Their content has included jems like these. Anyone who has spent a while on the internet can probably fill in the surrounding mega-threads[5] from these excerpts. [snipped] a TON of examples and justification, not because I disagree but out of the message I write here for policy. This is my last response to anyone on this subject, at least on any mailing list. I have to go to one of the finest writers I know of, George Orwell for some kind of self moderation policy. From “Politics and the English Language” we get a very good set of writing tips: A scrupulous writer, in every sentence that he writes, will ask himself at least four questions, thus: 1. What am I trying to say? 2. What words will express it? 3. What image or idiom will make it clearer? 4. Is this image fresh enough to have an effect? And he will probably ask himself two more: 1. Could I put it more shortly? 2. Have I said anything that is avoidably ugly? One can often be in doubt about the effect of a word or a phrase, and one needs rules that one can rely on when instinct fails. I think the following rules will cover most cases: 1. Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print. 2. Never use a long word where a short one will do. 3. If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out. 4. Never use the passive where you can use the active. 5. Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent. 6. Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous. Here ends my comments on OT-ness. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Read OpenXML Excel file in OpenOffice.org?
On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 12:39 -0700, Dusty Wilson wrote: I have data that was exported from MySQL Query Browser to what appears to be an OpenXML-formatted Excel document. I can't seem to get OpenOffice.org to open it. Do you guys know how to go about opening this document? I'm sure I could have MySQL Query Browser export in a different format, but I have a few other documents that appear to be in the same format that I'd also like to open. What version of MySQL? Are you querying a MySQL DB? I doubt it is OpenXML, unless you are getting it from some kind of a Microsoft product. If it is truly OOXML then you get to open it with a Microsoft Product. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: XFS Filesystem problem
On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 23:39 +, George N. White III wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2007, Greg Folkert wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 12:03 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 03:45:01PM +0200, Andreas Grabner wrote: can anybody explain the following to me? It happens in full production use. Should i change back to ext3 ? I can't explain it since I've never had a kernel error and never used XFS. Not that I'm suggesting that they go together :). Personally, I use JFS with flaky power and have never had a problem. Some people have played Russian roulette and didn't have a problem on the first couple pulls of the trigger. The ones that did haven't been posting on usenet. I can say the same about XFS. At one time, XFS on i386 hardware was known to be fragile, especially when using IDE disks. If you wanted to use XFS, you needed to build a kernel with ample stack space due to nesting of calls with long argument lists when handling errors under heavy I/O. What hardware and kernel are you using for XFS and what sort of I/O loads do you have? Even back on 2.4.12 (or was it 2.4.4 or something like that... with the VM problems also kicking in issues) when this was true, I still had zero problems ON i386 AND IDE drives... just not Western Digital IDE drives as XFS would trigger the firmware on the drives to have difficulties. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: reconfiguring grub to see windows partition etc....
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 08:11 +, Michael Fothergill wrote: Dear Debianists, I am using a machine at work that has an AMD Duron 1200 MHz i386 chip in it and two hard disks. The master is a 40GB drive and the secondary one is a 20GB drive. Debian Etch r0 i386 lives on the 40GB drive. I used to have Fedora Core 6 on the 20 GB drive but now I wiped it off using the debian installer partitioning software. After a lot of farting around I managed to install Windows 98 on the smaller 20GB drive. I need it to run certain software I can't easily run in Linux. I had to disconnect the master 40GB drive to get windows to think the slave drive was the primary drive It then installed. I have been booting the Debian on the master disk with a boot floppy with grub on it. This works fine. But it doesn't see the Windows and so I can't boot it now after I have reconnected the master hard drive I can only boot Debian. How do I reconfigure the grub to see the windows 98 partition and allow me the option of booting it without having to reinstall the entire Debian OS on the big disk? I think I could also do better to drop using the floppy and just have the machine boot with grub from the hard disk itself and then give me the option of firing up either Debian or Windows 98... Your suggestions on achieving this would be appreciated. I have discovered that Windows can be tough to install relative to most Linux distributions. Here is the ending snippet from my non-usable, but still seen Windows on my Wifes computer. ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST # This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian # ones. title Other operating systems: root # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS # on /dev/hde1 title Microsoft Windows XP Professional root(hd1,0) savedefault chainloader +1 -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: why linux?
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 02:57 -0400, S C wrote: For months now I have been trying to make Debian behave like a real OS. However, I still cannot print, format/initialize a new cd or use one to back up files, get the sound working, watch a movie or read images from my digital camera. With Windows all this was simple. I downloaded the relevant program, set it up and it worked. Windows is supposed to be devilspawn and doomed, and maybe it is. It does, however, have one saving grace; it works. It works without expecting me to become a systems engineer. When I go to someplace like freenode/#debian I am ignored. Maybe I should say to Hell with Linux and sell my story to Microsoft. Obviously I don't really want to, but how much longer should I put up with a partial OS? I don't mind telling you I'm damned sick of it. Well, first off this is the *FIRST* post you have made to Debian User under this name. Do you have any other aliases? 1. What actual Linux distro are you using? 2. When did you download it? 3. What machine are you using? What make/model/motherboard... etc 4. When have you asked for help on #debian on irc.debian.org? Please get those answers back to us. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Very-OT] rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 08:36 +, steef wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:57:42AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: . As a side note I must say that I have been a member of a volunteer organization for 11 years and I have seen a bit of the dynamic involved in such a group. The best contributors were mostly the same persons participating in off-topic activities, but still organized within the community. Regards, Andrei being a list-member for about five or six years I support warmly andrei's opinion on the above topic. So, then, lets say that a member of Islam has a very provocative, but very accepted in their culture, quote. Are we going to censor that? What kind of retaliation is that going to endure? You seem to forget, what may be TOTALLY acceptable to one culture, may in-fact be COMPLETELY offensive and unacceptable in another. Such is the case with advertising, ads that go over *VERY* well in the UK, are seen as stupid and offensive in the US. And the US ads in the UK. So by your reasoning, All ads should become very drawl and ineffective in any medium? So, how is my .sig now? -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was as boring as a performance of Richard the 3rd with potatoes for actors. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[OT]rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 02:22 -0500, Mumia W.. wrote: On 05/21/2007 01:55 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: Just in case you missed my initial proposal, I was suggesting a separate list for OT, but still within the Debian project. This way when OT gets out of hand posters could move the thread to the OT list. I see this on the lists of a LUG and it works fairly well. I also think that the idea of a debian-ot list is a good idea. Never happen. Not that it isn't an idea to remind people to divert to it once things become *exactly* like this thread. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: boot error messages with custom kernel
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 22:33 +0200, David Fuchs wrote: hi all, I want to have a grsecurity enabled kernel and thus compiled my own. while doing so, I also removed tons of modules from the kernel config (drivers I know I'll never need), and chose to compile some into the kernel instead of modules (e.g., drivers for my sata disks). I followed the directions found at http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package. now, during the boot process, just after the kernel boots, I get some error messages: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.19.2-grsec.1/modules.dep: No such file or directory apart from this, the system boots perfectly fine and runs normal. the file /lib/modules/2.6.19.2-grsec.1/modules.dep does exist, but there is no such file in the generated initrd image (neither is there in the default kernel's). so, why exactly is it looking for this file, and how do I get rid of the error? It is looking for the file created and/or updated by depmod while running the following command: depmod -e -F /boot/System.map-`uname -r` -v `uname -r` Supposedly, as far as everything is there, yours should look like this: depmod -e -F /boot/System.map-2.6.19.2-grsec.1 -v 2.6.19.2-grsec.1 That should update and give you the following files in /lib/modules/2.6.19.2-grsec.1/: modules.alias modules.ccwmap modules.dep modules.ieee1394map modules.inputmap modules.isapnpmap modules.ofmap modules.pcimap modules.seriomap modules.symbols modules.usbmap Here is hoping. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: vesa display codes (Etch Xorg memory leak?)
On Sun, 2007-05-20 at 01:10 -0400, cga2000 wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 07:33:51PM EDT, Owen Heisler wrote: On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 19:10 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 00:10 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 18:34 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 16:02 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: http://www.gregfolkert.net/info/vesa-display-codes.html Very helpful! Although no 1280x960 (grr) unfortunately. Is there any way to get that? vbetool is supposed to do it. Or hwinfo --vbe But they aren't exactly 100%, as I haven't been able to get the info out of the hardware yet. FYI, I've updated the page and now lists a few things to get other modes. Though the framebuffer howtos have not really been updated since 2000 or 2001. video=:xres:,yres:,depth:,left:,right:,hslen:,upper:,lower:,vslen: It looks like I need something like this: Modeline 1280x1024 DCF HR SH1 SH2 HFL VR SV1 SV2 VFL Is there some way to get that from xorg? Oh .. maybe, $ modeline2fb Same fbset package as the other stuff previously mentioned. Mind if I add snippets of you two posts to Owen to that Vesa Mode Page? -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: vesa display codes (Etch Xorg memory leak?)
On Sun, 2007-05-20 at 17:25 -0400, cga2000 wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 12:01:18PM EDT, Greg Folkert wrote: Mind if I add snippets of you two posts to Owen to that Vesa Mode Page? Not in principle naturally. [snip] Oh, if you do decide to add something to your web page, please let me know and I'll be glad to take a look. I'll just pass then. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: getting a new Debian box
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 01:18 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: If you wait until May24th, Dell will be shipping Desktops and Laptops with Ubuntu Linux pre-installed on them. Everything will work on them. I believe the same model you just quoted. Similar prices too. In fact here is a blog with the info: http://jeremy.linuxquestions.org/2007/05/18/dell-announces-the-models-for-ubuntu/ Lets hope. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 08:43 +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2007 16:41:49 PM -0400, Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Frans, Cord, Martin, Pascal, I'm writing the listmasters because reading debian-user has become nearly unbearable for me (one of the sadly few DDs who bothers to read our user lists) due to volume and offensiveness/repetativeness of offtopic posts there. 4) Etch isn't out yet, so there are very few help requests and I'm real bored, you know? #4 was a pathetic lie, as Joey already pointed out: Note that all this traffic occurred _after_ etch's release, at one of the periods when more users than normal are presumably trying to get help on the list. It was me that postured this, but it was itching for Etch. True, it is false for the release of Etch. It you go back, and really look around the times of JUST before the other releases, lots of OT and not really related to Debian messages. Then after the release... nearly pure *Debian* related. I believe I even posted the release dates so people could go back and read. I wonder what is different this time? Dubya effect? I don't know, I _had_ hoped it would quite down on its own. I guess I was/am an optimist. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: man beeps more than woman
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 18:10 +0530, Deboo ^ wrote: How do you stop man from beeping when going below or above EOF or at other times when it beeps? blacklist pcspkr In /etc/modprobe.d/ To make sure things don't get over written during an update/upgrade, I create a file called blacklist-hostname (mine are blacklist-duke or blacklist-void or blacklist-princess, depending on the machine) once I create this file I add a line that says: blacklist pcspkr Once that is done, it is gone forever... well just not loadable. So, just to make sure I didn't completely lose you. I create the file: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-host In that files I place a line: blacklist pcspkr You can reboot knowing that this module won't be loaded next reboot. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 09:17 -0700, Mike Bird wrote: On Saturday 19 May 2007 08:02, M. Fioretti wrote: Offensive or not, it doesn't even matter with you, will you please realize it? You are simply making a lot of USELESS noise. I just move on and forget it. More people should try that. and this is, once more, the same pathetic excuse for your behavior that I already commented here (#3): http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/05/msg02934.html so you should really stop using it and grow up, thanks. Just the answers already received on list to Joey's post should be more than enough to prove to you, once and for all, that it doesn't matter how easy it is to use email equivalents of ear plugs: you and the others I already mentioned still aren't authorized to yell all the time about everything you please in a public forum which has another purpose. This is why I'm posting also this reply to the moderators. I really hope they put a stop to this, this time. Excellent reasoning and presentation Marco. I hope the listmasters will finally fix this serious problem. But just HOW do you fix this kind of problem on an *OPEN* list, especially for a Debian Developer, that does the sword packages and the cyrus-sasl2 package? (and others packages) Come, lets here a solution, I've discussed some solutions, how about you? -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: getting a new Debian box
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 07:43 -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: I believe the correct model number is the XPS 421, not the 521. At least that is what was posted on Groklaw. Dimension E520, Inspiron E1505 and XPS 410 Cheers. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 20:13 +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2007 11:18:22 AM -0500, Gnu_Raiz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What it comes down to pretty much is some people want a moderated debian-user list! The only choice left is to see if you can change, the list type to moderated, or add more to the code of conduct. I don't know in general, but please note that the specific case which caused *this* thread is much, much simpler to handle, at least as a first step. This is not a generic problem: there are 6/7 specific email addresses which have abused the list for months, so ban them for a couple of months, period. Without changing anything in the list. That changes many thing. First off BANNING is not the answer. It will be seen a a bad thing by the blogosphere and some journalists that see only bad things. Many never understand the real discussions on the Debian mailing lists... amidst the noise. Now as far as I can see, a solution that *IS* manageable would be for many users (including myself) would be something along the lines of: * Don't respond to Trolls * Don't respond to flames * Don't respond to hard to resist messages * Don't respond to provoked into messages This type of guideline means a whole heck of a lot more than large sweeping corrections. Plus, we do need someone to thwack the responder(s) from time to time. Many could do this, specifically and privately over private e-mail. Sure, they could subscribe with other addresses etc... but a ban could be the only way left, since they have not listened to repeated invitations to stop, to make them see the light. In the meantime, everybody else would have all the time to discuss if and how to change the list type, its policy and what not (even if I'd certainly recommend an addition to the policy on the lines of if your OT messages almost equal your in-topic ones, you have a problem and you should leave the list until you've solved it) No, there is another way, making all Debian lists subscriber only. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: vesa display codes (Etch Xorg memory leak?)
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 17:09 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 00:10 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 18:34 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 16:02 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: http://www.gregfolkert.net/info/vesa-display-codes.html Very helpful! Although no 1280x960 (grr) unfortunately. Is there any way to get that? vbetool is supposed to do it. Or hwinfo --vbe But they aren't exactly 100%, as I haven't been able to get the info out of the hardware yet. Okay hwinfo --vbe doesn't mention 1280x960 here either. FYI, I've updated the page and now lists a few things to get other modes. Though the framebuffer howtos have not really been updated since 2000 or 2001. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: getting a new Debian box
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 18:06 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/19/07 10:24, mailing.lists wrote: [snip] Not all pre-built computers are that bad. I have used Dell PCs in many cases and have never had any trouble. I just checked a few sites that i What are the fan noises like on Dell PCs? Their low cost makes me think they're pretty loud. Many of them are semi-passive, with a thermal control on the fan (notice I said fan). I've recently had had the (dis?)pleasure of fixing one of these machines with Vista pre-installed. I fixed it by putting Debian on it, the friend was much happier. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: vesa display codes (Etch Xorg memory leak?)
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 18:33 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: video=:xres:,yres:,depth:,left:,right:,hslen:,upper:,lower:,vslen: It looks like I need something like this: Modeline 1280x1024 DCF HR SH1 SH2 HFL VR SV1 SV2 VFL Is there some way to get that from xorg? And what do I use for the framebuffer device (video=)? I don't know. Exactly why I said they have really been updated since 2000 or 2001. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 17:59 -0800, Ken Irving wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 02:19:17PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: Come, lets here a solution, I've discussed some solutions, how about you? If folks were reasonable about it, they'd simply take it off list on their own, as is done on many, many other lists. If there's a need for enforced moderation, would that not be proof that these people have indeed screwed things up? THIS, THIS is my choice, and I sorta kinda have been trying to implement it. I may have did it the wrong way by trying to make a joke... but I guess I'll be more blunt from now on. Yes, I expect others to be more blunt to me, should I do the OT-ness everyone is complaining about... And Joe, Roberto, Judd, Michelle, *all*of*us* need to steward ourselves to reduce these things to bearable levels. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Compaq R1500H UPS with Debian?
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 09:44 +0100, Marcin Owsiany wrote: Hi, Has anyone had any success using Compaq R1500H UPS with Debian? Information on the internet suggests that you can connect it to the computer using a serial cable, but I cannot find any information about management software for Linux for this UPS.. Most UPS with serial capacity use a very simple set of signals, most of which are implemented in NUT. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ [0] $ apt-cache search nut battery genpower - Monitor UPS and handle line power failures nut - The core system of the nut - Network UPS Tools nut-cgi - A web interface sub system for the nut - Network UPS Tools nut-dev - Development files for the nut - Network UPS Tools nut-snmp - A meta SNMP Driver subsystem for the nut - Network UPS Tools nut-usb - USB Drivers subsystem for the nut - Network UPS Tools upsd - UPS Monitor Program via serial interface Cheers. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Duplicate menu item
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 13:06 +0200, Joe Hart wrote: Alan Haggai Alavi wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 08:14 +0530, Alan Haggai Alavi wrote: Hi, I installed the package for 'GTK Styles and Fonts' in KDE. I installed it via Automatix2. But I happened to install it twice. Now, in my Control Center, I am having two menu options named 'GTK Styles and Fonts' in 'Appearance'. How can I remove one of them? Alan, this is NOT UBUNTU. Hi Greg, I am using Debian Etch. I did the above in it. So any way to get that duplicate menu removed? Regards, Alan. If your system still works, you are lucky. Using Ubuntu packages on Debian is just asking for trouble. Yes, Automatix2 is a neat little helper to make it simpler for newbies to install things, but everything that it installs is available for Etch just by finding the right repository. The first place to look is http://www.debian-multimedai.org where one can find most of the codecs and multimedia apps that Debian (and Ubuntu) are missing. They are real Debian .deb files, not .deb files mangled by the Ubuntu staff. That is the one thing that upsets me most about Ubuntu. Not that it is a bad distro, nor that it takes developers from Debian, although both can be said to be true. What irks me is that Ubuntu breaks Debian compatibility. Apparently, Automatix2 is Debian Etch compatible. It appears this is NOT that case, doing the double menu entry. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT] The record industry, RIAA and US law
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 18:00 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2007-05-11 10:48:06, schrieb Joe Hart: What really fears me is that it is just a matter of time before one group of radicals gets access to WMD and I pray they don't send them my way. Right, - and it is already to late. The USA have over 46800 nuks/WMD's. I pray for a real Nuke-Accident in the USA so they are wake up or fuck them self. I hope someone break into the american Nuklear-Defense- Network and activate some nuks for self-destruction. Nice drive-by mailing, you have a knack to pull the hair up on people's necks. In regards to the nukes self-destructing... The Silos that hold 95% of these long range missiles are first, second, third and fourth strike impenetrable. Have a fully sealed self sufficient crew and environment inside. Therefore, if they self-destruct, these silos are able to withstand an explosion, holding the problems inside them. You might get a little bit out of them, but nothing serious. But the inside would be definitively unable to be entered for MANY MANY MANY years. Yes there would be leakage, but then most of the silos are inside vast military installations, minimizing the effects on civies. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: in which packages can I found: libccext2 libccgnu2 ?
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 19:19 +0200, Gerard Robin wrote: Hello, to compile a program the README says that I need : libccext2 (version = 1.4.2) [GNU Common C++] libccgnu2 (version = 1.4.2) [GNU Common C++] libccrtp1 (version = 1.5.0) [GNU RTP Stack] libzrtpcpp (version = 0.9.0) [Extension library of GNU ccRTP] libqt-mt (version = 3.3.0) [Qt library with threading support] I guess that: libqt-mt is in libqt3-mt-dev libccrtp1 is in libccrtp-dev libzrtpcpp is in libzrtpcpp-dev but in which packages are libccext2 libccgnu2 ? I've found everything via apt-file search filename I use sid, so these are sid versions: libccext2 and libccgnu2: libcommoncpp2-1.5.3-0 libcommoncpp2-dev libccrtp1: libccrtp1-1.5-1 libccrtp-dev libzrtpcpp: libzrtpcpp-0.9-0 libzrtpcpp-dev libqt-mt: libqt3-mt libqt3-mt-dev Which package are you trying to build? -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT] The record industry, RIAA and US law
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 12:46 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 18:00 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2007-05-11 10:48:06, schrieb Joe Hart: What really fears me is that it is just a matter of time before one group of radicals gets access to WMD and I pray they don't send them my way. Right, - and it is already to late. The USA have over 46800 nuks/WMD's. I pray for a real Nuke-Accident in the USA so they are wake up or fuck them self. I hope someone break into the american Nuklear-Defense- Network and activate some nuks for self-destruction. Nice drive-by mailing, you have a knack to pull the hair up on people's necks. In regards to the nukes self-destructing... The Silos that hold 95% of these long range missiles are first, second, third and fourth strike impenetrable. Have a fully sealed self sufficient crew and environment inside. Therefore, if they self-destruct, these silos are able to withstand an explosion, holding the problems inside them. I also should mention, trying to get into one of the silos is akin to getting into Fort Knox, Nigh on impossible. No, truly, I doubt you could even come within 500 yards of a silo. Even if you did get to the entrance, good luck getting any further. Even if you managed to get through the entrance, the secondary stop... there would be a battalion of re-enforcements scrambled by air lift and ground transport... at the very least many troops additionally transported by LPCs (Leather personnel Carriers) in very short order. You might get a little bit out of them, but nothing serious. But the inside would be definitively unable to be entered for MANY MANY MANY years. Yes there would be leakage, but then most of the silos are inside vast military installations, minimizing the effects on civies. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: in which packages can I found: libccext2 libccgnu2 ?
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 21:50 +0200, Gerard Robin wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 01:25:54PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: From: Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: in which packages can I found: libccext2 libccgnu2 ? On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 19:19 +0200, Gerard Robin wrote: to compile a program the README says that I need : libccext2 (version = 1.4.2) [GNU Common C++] libccgnu2 (version = 1.4.2) [GNU Common C++] libccrtp1 (version = 1.5.0) [GNU RTP Stack] libzrtpcpp (version = 0.9.0) [Extension library of GNU ccRTP] libqt-mt (version = 3.3.0) [Qt library with threading support] I guess that: libqt-mt is in libqt3-mt-dev libccrtp1 is in libccrtp-dev libzrtpcpp is in libzrtpcpp-dev but in which packages are libccext2 libccgnu2 ? I've found everything via apt-file search filename I use sid, so these are sid versions: libccext2 and libccgnu2: libcommoncpp2-1.5.3-0 libcommoncpp2-dev libccrtp1: libccrtp1-1.5-1 libccrtp-dev libzrtpcpp: libzrtpcpp-0.9-0 libzrtpcpp-dev libqt-mt: libqt3-mt libqt3-mt-dev Which package are you trying to build? Many thanks, I never used apt-file before, it is more verbose that apt-cache search. (after apt-file update) I intend (to try) to make a .deb twinkle after that I had applied a patch. But if I don't succed I will do ./configure, make, make install ... in /usr/local/src/ apt[-get|itude] install apt-file apt-file update It then can search just about any file available in you current sources.list. Not just the keywords and package names. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 18:08 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Joey Hess wrote: Frans, Cord, Martin, Pascal, I'm writing the listmasters because reading debian-user has become nearly unbearable for me (one of the sadly few DDs who bothers to read our user lists) due to volume and offensiveness/repetativeness of offtopic posts there. I would like to help in whatever way I can to stop these OT posts. I have previously complained about it. But the OT posters never seem to listen. There were only a bunch in the beginning, of late the number of OT posters is also increasing. Now that the complaint is coming from a DD, I hope that some action/policy will be laid out... Greg Folkert (http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/05/msg01282.html) even made a mockery of people complaining about OT posts. That is just sad. It was a mockery, but if you'll notice I have scaled back my involvement with really *ANY* thread that is off topic. It was a mockery and sort of a poke at people to slow it down. I just did before any newbie or others could complain. I had hoped that laughing about it would help. But apparently it offended the likes of you. Can you honestly say that I have been as blatant doing OT as I was, waiting for Etch to release, back in February/March? Please don't start throwing mud, it'll just get ugly. But then again, maybe I should twitfile you? What makes this whole issue difficult is that these people hijack threads and make them OT. While I may be interested in the original thread, it becomes unreadable in the due course. Moreover, the OT posters are pretty knowledgeable about Debian (atleast they know a lot more than myself). So I cannot even killfile them since then I would not benefit from their non-OT posts. It is a choice you have to make. Twit them and ignore them completely, or not and just ignore the OT threads by twiting the thread. I've in the past threatened to leave -user entirely, and I have in fact moved a lot of my attention to providing support on forums.debian.net[4], but I would prefer that Debian articulate a policy of not tolerating this kind of behavior. It's so sad that these OT posters are driving away people like you. I have always enjoyed (learned a lot from) your posts on this mailing list. I guess you'd rather see the OT posters go away. There are about 30 of us. Though, I got the hint with Neil Sumner reporting me to the DPL, after I told him to STFU, in worse words than that. Though he had been including me in *EVERY* correspondence, with gee you are MUCH better at handling conversation than Greg Folkert. I sure hope everyone isn't like him. After a few messages like that, coming to me provately, I basically kept telling him to stop sending me private mail... which he didn't. I exploded on him publicly. My bad, I apologized and moved on. I believe that since OT has become a BIG problem, self-moderation or thinking/re-reading before *you the sender* send is a much better option than banning people. Although, if D-U became subscriber posting only based... along with the other lists, SPAM killing would become MUCH easier, allowing resources to used otherwise. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: getting a new Debian box
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 21:51 -0700, Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote: Hi All! I've been using Debian with my desktop replacement laptop HP Pavilion zv5260 for about 2 years now. This was the only computer I had for about 2.5 years. I got tired of using the laptop constantly. I want something more convenient with a bigger screen and that I can use more comfortably. So I decided to get a desktop. I need some advices. [snippage] Dell Dimension E521N: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 4000+ [snippage] TOTAL:$689.00 Are there any other desktop computers I should consider buying instead of this one? Is there any configuration part I should consider changing? Should I upgrade to 2 GB of RAM ? 1GB seems to be enough for me, since I am using now etch on my laptop with 512MB and I don't see any problems. In general e521n seems to be enough for etch and everything I use, since I am running a 2.5 year old laptop and I don't see any real performance issues. But again, I am open to advices. I googled e521n and debian and found out that there was a problem with usb malfunction that froze mouse but that it was solved with the new bios update released by Dell in January, 2007. I didn't find any other issues. Everything else seems to work in Debian. So if somebody here is using this model with Debian, please, provide feedback. Do you have any issues? Something to be aware before bying it? Any compatibility issues with Debian? I would prefer to install on it Debian Stable (Etch) that goes with linux kernel 2.6.18 Will I be able to do that? Or I will need new kernel 2.6.20 from unstable? If you wait until May24th, Dell will be shipping Desktops and Laptops with Ubuntu Linux pre-installed on them. Everything will work on them. I believe the same model you just quoted. Similar prices too. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [not-OT] Postfix - STARTTLS problem: 454 4.3.0 TLS not available due to local problem
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 11:45 +0530, Deboo ^ wrote: On 5/17/07, Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is this OT? Postfix is packaged for Debian, by Debian. This might be related to TLS entropy problem when there is not enough activity or randomness from the system. Exim experiences similar problems when there is not enough activity to produce enough randomness. It just runs out of /dev/random Though I could be talking out of my /dev/ass I thought since postfix has it's own mailing list, it would be OT here. I do not understand what you explained above about the randomness. Should I remove the /dev/urandom entry from main.cf? No, do not remove the /dev/urandom entry. On a relatively idle system and since most machines do not have a real Random Number Generator built into the hardware, it has to be emulated. This emulation uses activity on the machine to generate the RNG. If there is not enough activity and therefore entropy will degrade the amount of random numbers generated for TLS. These explain it much better than I: http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4UserFAQ#head-82eaabc815b4697c5b7dda3950af8fd56fc7a8b9 http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#TLS -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: can you recommend any open source presentation tool?
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 04:30 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Serena Cantor wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Which software is Linux's equivalence of M$'s PowerPoint? Openoffice.org has Impress, which is probably what you're looking for. It's deprecating Powerpoint at this point. I use mgp or Magicpoint Very simple, very easy, very powerful, generates html slides quickly. apt[-get|titude] install mgp http://member.wide.ad.jp/wg/mgp/ Many people use it in the circuit, I've seen it since about 2000. never a hiccup. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Etch Xorg memory leak?
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 12:58 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 05:31:09PM +0100, Tom Furie wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 12:17:34PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 10:22:00AM -0500, Mumia W.. wrote: On 05/13/2007 06:51 AM, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Try out the VESA driver and see if the problem recurs. What xserver-xorg-video-* packages do you have installed? Thanks, Sorry about that. I'll install the vesa driver. I don't have -all since everthing won't fit on my 850 MB hard drive. You might also want to try the frame buffer interface. By adding a mode to your kernel stanza in grub... LILO I haven't used in years. So you'll have to finger that out yourself if you use it. But I have made a small webpage to describe the VESA video modes, with an example on the bottom. Then selecting yes to Do you want to use the framebuffer interface question during: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg http://www.gregfolkert.net/info/vesa-display-codes.html And, yes, I have started rebuilding my website. Though it'll be slow. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: amarok / libgpod destroys iPod playlists
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 15:56 +0200, Jörg Becker wrote: Hello, I have a problem using my iPod with amarok from etch. Whenever I use the iPod with amarok I loose the contents of all my iPod playlist except the first one. I can see the playlists within the iPod, but they are empty. It seems to be a libgpod0 problem. When I use my iPod in the office (suse 10.2, libgpod0.4.0) I did not have this problem. I found packages for libgpod0.4.0 and libgpod0.4.2 in unstable/experimental. But a 'sudo apt-get -s -t unstable install amarok' shows, that many important packages will be upgraded or removed. So I decided to backport amarok/libgpod. Good thing. The problem with installing Lenny/Sid packages into Etch is glibc has changed. Those build will force an upgrade to them and basically make your Etch install bad. Is there any advice how to build an amarok not destroying iPod playlists? Is it possible to build libgpod0.4.2 from unstable without problems for etch. Is it sufficient to rebuild amarok from etch sources with libgpod0.4.2 or must I recompile some other things? Is it possible to compile amarok 1.4.5 from unstable sources for etch (without recompiling other kde parts)? Or much easier: Is there any other solution for my problem? Or has already anybody a backported amarok/libgpod or is such one planed for etch-backports in the near future? apt-get source the files and backport them yourself. It really isn;t that hard. You just will have to tweak the requirements and build setup in the debian directory there... oh and any code the fails to build. I've done it many times, though not recently. I just run Sid. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Duplicate menu item
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 08:14 +0530, Alan Haggai Alavi wrote: Hi, I installed the package for 'GTK Styles and Fonts' in KDE. I installed it via Automatix2. But I happened to install it twice. Now, in my Control Center, I am having two menu options named 'GTK Styles and Fonts' in 'Appearance'. How can I remove one of them? Alan, this is NOT UBUNTU. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: vesa display codes (Etch Xorg memory leak?)
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 18:34 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 16:02 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: http://www.gregfolkert.net/info/vesa-display-codes.html Very helpful! Although no 1280x960 (grr) unfortunately. Is there any way to get that? vbetool is supposed to do it. Or hwinfo --vbe But they aren't exactly 100%, as I haven't been able to get the info out of the hardware yet. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: how to clear mbr
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 23:37 -0700, Serena Cantor wrote: I am installing Win2k, which will co-exist with sarge I believe sarge install lilo at mbr, this cause trouble for win2k's installation. So I should clear mbr. which linux command should I use? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 That will erase any MBR. If your drive is not /dev/hda then please use the proper one (such as /dev/hde or /dev/sda or what have you) Please remember also, that Windows REQUIRES the use of the first Primary partition and it *WILL* assume it is the ONLY operating system to be on the machine. This WILL cause you difficulty. But you can then install Etch, and be happy. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Typing an '@' symbol on an Apple keyboard
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 08:45 +0200, Matthias Brennwald (bwm) wrote: Dear all I'm a complete newbie, and I'm not sure which mailing list is the best to post my question (I posted this to debian-user and debian-powerpc). I successfully installed Debian 4.0 / Etch on my Apple PowerBook G4. I managed to setup my (external/USB) Apple keyboard with a Swiss-German keymap. However, I could not figure out how to produce an '@' symbol... in Mac OS X I press 'Option-g' to type an '@', but that does not work in Linux / Debian. Any hints? Umm, did you try the obvious one? SHIFT-2 (the 2 above the qwerty keys)? -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: how to clear mbr
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 12:43 +0530, Deboo ^ wrote: On 5/16/07, Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 23:37 -0700, Serena Cantor wrote: I am installing Win2k, which will co-exist with sarge I believe sarge install lilo at mbr, this cause trouble for win2k's installation. So I should clear mbr. which linux command should I use? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 That will erase any MBR. If your drive is not /dev/hda then please use the proper one (such as /dev/hde or /dev/sda or what have you) Please remember also, that Windows REQUIRES the use of the first Primary partition and it *WILL* assume it is the ONLY operating system to be on the machine. This WILL cause you difficulty. But you can then install Etch, and be happy. I have found that W2K doesn't wipe out the grub menu tho XP does. And installing W2K over grub shouldn't cause a problem, should it? It will j ust overwrite the mbr. Is it really needed to do that dd command before installing W2K? I haven't installed Windows *anything* on my personal computers for years. So, Dual booting just doesn't computer for me. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Re: Bug???
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 14:00 +0200, piter_p_92 wrote: Wiadomość Oryginalna Od: Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do: DebianUser List debian-user@lists.debian.org Kopia do: piter_p_92 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Data: 16 maja 2007 7:47 Temat: Re: Bug??? On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 07:14 +0200, piter_p_92 wrote: Hello! I've had some problem with testing ver. of debian: he don't founding hdd. I heard that some people have this problem too. I don't know is anybody who reported about this bug so i'm writing. Thx PS sorry for my english:P English is fine. When was this testing version of Debian downloaded? do you have a specific date? Is this Etch? Or Lenny? We need to know more info than testing as it is a very fast moving target. It's Lenny, and i think it was downloaded 11 may... Okay, now. We need to know information about the machine he was putting it on. Make and Model (like a Dell, HP or Lenovo. Something like that). Or if it is a hand built machine, we need to know the make and models of: Motherboard, Processor, Video card, DVD/CD drive, NIC, etc... Also, please reply to the LIST next time. Not directly to me. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: bzip2 gzip binaries empty after usage
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 12:09 -0700, Jay Wilton wrote: Hello, I have a new build of debian etch 4.0. When I try to unpack a tar.bz2 file it fails silently. ala tar jxvf example.tar.bz2 , just fails with no error. file /bin/bzip2 /bin/bzip2: empty I reinstall with a: apt-get install --reinstall bzip2 and it still happens but not every time. I have purged bzip2 and reinstalled, but it still happens. This is my second install with this problem, so I'm a bit worried. The same thing just happened to /bin/gzip. It seems to randomly happen. Anyone else having this problem? Are you possibly using a script that re-direct improperly? Like is doesn't sanitize the input properly. I wrote a very LONG and complex backup script a few years back for a hotswap hard-drive backup system. I failed to think it through. I didn't do escaping or quoting properly doing rsync and other function. I ended up periodically making quite a mess. I finally ended up re-writing the script from scratch and discovered my error. It was when I was backing up files with gt or lt symbols in them. If I were you, I'd check what you are doing in scripts. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Typing an '@' symbol on an Apple keyboard
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 03:28 +, s. keeling wrote: Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I might be able to tell you how to set this up using xmodmap, but this depends on how similar your Apple keyboard is to the pc105 ones that I know. For a start, I need to see the output of: xmodmap -pk | grep '(g)\|ISO_Level3_Shift' It can also not hurt if you post the keyboard part of your xorg.conf. You can run awk '/Section InputDevice/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf Damn, I love this mailing list. Some of you people are like gods to me. The best I was able to come up with on this was wrong keyboard definition and maybe play with xev to see what it says the key's doing. Some of you must spend your entire day reading man pages. :-0 Woof. Way cool, Florian. What it actually comes from is HOURS and HOURS and HOURS of trying to fix things. Learning what to do and what to REALLY stay away from. Learning what give you what you want in the fewest keystrokes or the least work to wrap you mind around something. awk... if you use *NIX: sed, grep, awk are your three bestestest friends. Just to give you an idea of what I mean, I was able to fix an entire set of 3M+ records in a system by: * Dumping the data into a dumpfile * Use grep to locate the bad data and look at it. * use sed to change all the data needing to be changed, in one pass. * use awk to display it properly to make sure nothing went wrong * write it to another file * rename the old table * create a new table (with indexes, etc) * verify the data through programmers reports * Drop the old table All in less time than it would have taken to let the system fix it. As the relational stuff would have killed performance in any case. the 3M+ records were actually corrected in under 3 minutes on an old 1GHz Linux machine with lotsa memory. The 4 CPU server would have been pegged for hours. We tried to correct the data on the QA system, which is a complete mirror of the production machine. Can we say ouch? -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [not-OT] Postfix - STARTTLS problem: 454 4.3.0 TLS not available due to local problem
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 05:31 +0530, Deboo ^ wrote: Sorry about postign here. I'm neither gettign a response to my posts from the postfix-users list nor getting any mail from the list even though I am subscribed since 2 years. I subscribed again and still not got a rely from the majordomo address. I remember having faced this problem 2 years ago too when I tried to subscribe. I hope someone here will help even though the problem isn't debian related. I'm getting the above error when I try to telnet in to my newly installed/configured postfix with TLS. I searched on google for this exact error but didn't get any solution. Just 4 - 5 pages with this error and no solution. I got the info that this problem is due to the certs. I double checked the paths to the certs and all is fine. So why this problem? Can someone help? Why is this OT? Postfix is packaged for Debian, by Debian. This might be related to TLS entropy problem when there is not enough activity or randomness from the system. Exim experiences similar problems when there is not enough activity to produce enough randomness. It just runs out of /dev/random Though I could be talking out of my /dev/ass -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Re(2): Grub without Linux.
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 18:31 -0700, Easthope wrote: At Tue, 15 May 2007 12:12:02 +0800 Mr. Ray Chan wrote, '1. Use a Win98 startup disk to start the system; 2. After your saw the prompt, use command FDISK /MBR;' At Tue, 15 May 2007 20:41:36 +0200 Nyizsnyik Ferenc wrote, fdisk /mbr will solve the problem. The system was given to my mother without the installation media. Can I make a startup diskette in the existing system? If so, how? ... make a small partition for a minimal distro with the sole purpose of starting grub, ... Yes, if there is no alternative, I can put a small old disk in the machine to replace the existing hdb. Start Win98 from grub. There is a util some where in the system that allows you to make a system rescue diskette. All from the clicky pointy thing. You can then boot from that disk and do the fdisk /mbr -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Strange aptitude problem
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 22:12 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: I've uploaded a version of aptitude to experimental that should fix this problem. I'd appreciate it if people who are hitting this bug could download it and let me know whether it works for them. Will do. Will report back if I see anything wonky. If not, assume I am good. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Strange aptitude problem
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 22:12 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: I've uploaded a version of aptitude to experimental that should fix this problem. I'd appreciate it if people who are hitting this bug could download it and let me know whether it works for them. Is it in incoming right now (0.4.4-5~1)? As Experimental show 0.4.4-4 currently. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Bug???
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 07:14 +0200, piter_p_92 wrote: Hello! I've had some problem with testing ver. of debian: he don't founding hdd. I heard that some people have this problem too. I don't know is anybody who reported about this bug so i'm writing. Thx PS sorry for my english:P English is fine. When was this testing version of Debian downloaded? do you have a specific date? Is this Etch? Or Lenny? We need to know more info than testing as it is a very fast moving target. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Xmms: 'Double size' and flac problem
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 11:49 +0530, Vidyadhar Gadgil wrote: Running debian etch 4.0 stable. xmms 1.2.10+200611. When I click on Options - Double Size, the display gets messed up and xmms hangs. Also, though the flac plugins are installed, it does not play flac files, saying that they are invalid (the same files are played perfectly by Rhythmbox). Are these bugs or is there some simple solution? Use the beep-media-player it works much better. It will use most of the plugins and happily plays flac for me. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: installing JRE
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 06:58 +0100, william pursell wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: then i type fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_09-linux-i586.bin which i assume changes it into a .deb file? and the terminal then tells me: -su: fakeroot: command not found whats going wrong? D: Try /usr/bin/fakeroot, and make sure fakeroot is installed. I did not write any of this. You replied to my message, but removed 100% of what I wrote. You should have replied to the great-grand-parent of *THIS* particular message. DON'T DO THAT! -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Re[2]: Build X 3.3.6 version under etch
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 15:05 +0300, Egor Tur wrote: Hi folk. Yes, I use etch. I have upgraded sarge to etch. If you are then install the libc-compat libraries. Sorry, but waht of libc6 compatibility package called something like libc-compat can I install? [snip no compat libc available listing] Or I need compile libc from source ? Hmm, I see that there is not compat libc anymore. I just tried: apt-cache dump | grep ^Package | sort | grep compat Got nothing in regards to (g)libc. If you upgrade to Lenny or Sid... non-posix threads (or non pthreads) are no longer supported. You will have a extrememly difficult time getting them to compile using the linux architecture. It is a function of GLIBC being updated by the owner of it, not Debian. Thanx. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Oh-NOOOOS: Microsoft says Linux infringes 235 of its Patents.
Pretty much as expected, *IT* is going to use more Patent FUD to try to kill Linux. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/index.htm But then, PJ at Groklaw is a bit pessimistic. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070513234519615 Come on, when will Microsoft actually come clean and tell us *WHAT* 235 Patents. List Please. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: SSH daemon doesn't accept incoming connections
On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 13:59 +0400, Kirill Kuvaldin wrote: Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: Well, it's very weird. If you restart ssh daemon does works? ( /etc/init.d/ssh restart ) But if this has happened twice then there must be any reason for this happening. I tried: - restarting the ssh daemon, as you said; - removing (purging) the openssh-server packet and reinstalling it again; - binding the ssh daemon to another TCP port; None of these has helped. Only rebooting the machine seems to help, but of course it's not a solution. Try from a different machine, you say that happen even doing it locally but you don't say if you're using an already existent ssh connection. It maybe some problem in the client machine/keyboard I guess. An attempt to establish the connection from a different machine doesn't work either. I ran out of ideas what it might be. I need to see sshd lines in your /var/log/auth.log that are reported by sshd, when trying to login. Anything like the following lines: May 13 12:47:09 duke sshd[5923]: Accepted publickey for greg from princess port 50437 ssh2 May 13 12:47:09 duke sshd[5925]: (pam_unix) session opened for user greg by (uid=0) That will tell us what is going on. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: installing JRE
On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 05:27 -0700, David wrote: Hey, I am trying to install this .bin file from my desktop jre-1_5_0_09- linux-i586.bin I want to change it into a .deb package file so its easier to install. what im doing now is opening up the terminal the file is on my desktop, so i type cd /home/usr/Desktop then i type fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_09-linux-i586.bin which i assume changes it into a .deb file? and the terminal then tells me: -su: fakeroot: command not found whats going wrong? D: They are already available. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l | grep sun-java | cut -f3 -d\ | xargs sun-java5-bin sun-java5-demo sun-java5-fonts sun-java5-jdk sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin sun-java5-source You real answer would be: aptitude install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin That will take care of the issue. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: external hdd problem APOLOGIES
On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 14:21 -0700, tom arnall wrote: I sent the following mail this a.m. after looking via google for help on the issue. but i forgot to look on this user list and just now stumbled onto a lot of posts on the topic. i need of course to read these before posting new questions. Never kept anyone else from posting to DU without reading up first. Thanks for the honesty though. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: help!
On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 10:21 -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: On Thursday 10 May 2007 04:10:25 David wrote: Hey everyone, I just downloaded and installed debian 4.0 stable on my laptop a couple of days ago, i've been playing around with it and its great!. although i have been having a bit of difficulty finding a good guide that explains just the basics of debian. Can anyone suggest a good guide? i have never used any version of linux os before, i have been using windows for a long time though. In particular i want to know how to install and remove programs, and whats the difference between the kernal and the terminal?! :S haha Newbie I've heard from others that this one is great, but I haven't read it myself: Debian System Concepts and Techniques http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1593270690/ Martin F. Krafft (a Debian Developer (crazy^Wmadduck)) wrote that. I have to add, he has a pretty good handle on the Debian way of doing things. It is worth the money (USD 44.95) and the time reading it. Actually a bit cheap in my opinion, but that makes it a GREAT deal. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: sane question
On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 20:41 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: Does the sane package in the debian archives locate usb scanners or is it only capable of parallel port and serial port scanner location? I have an Epson RX600. It is USB only. It is a printer, scanner and copy machine. SANE works just fine with it. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: I/O Wait and CPU Usage
On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 13:59 -0400, Grok Mogger wrote: Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:43:50PM -0400, Grok Mogger wrote: In this interpretation, wa is really like blocked CPU time. The CPU has processes that are not really doing anything, because they are waiting on slow hard disks and network I/O, *but* these waiting processes still prevent that much CPU from being used. A couple of experiments: # dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null is obviously IO-bound. wa% goes sky-high, idle% goes toward zero. $ while true ; do : done is cpu-bound. us% goes high, wa%, id% and ni% goes towards zero. Finally, run both at the same time. Result: us% goes high, everthing else goes towards zero. This matches interpretation A, not B. Hope this helps Thanks, that's rather ingenious! And it does help a lot. If anyone else has any comments, I'd love to hear them. Particularly if you have some reason why you think Interpretation B is correct, since A seems to be the winner. I was going through the procps source files and looking at everything. I opened up many files looking at how things are read and interpreted. Karl pretty much nailed it. Though, doing those kinds of things on a production machine would get you KEELD! Yes, they are ingenious. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: iceape (mozilla browser) and CSS of gallery website
On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 17:33 -0400, H.S. wrote: Hello, If I try to enlarge the fonts (CTRL+Wheel) in iceape of this website: http://gallery.menalto.com/ the menus, or those little gray background windows, on the right hand jump into the middle of the page after a few magnification steps. Is it just my iceape or is something wrong with the web page (bad CSS)? This is on Debian Etch, fully updated. Bad CSS design. It uses float for the right column and explicitly states a width in pixels. Rather than a percentage. This will cause issues. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: swap
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 17:22 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/10/07 16:12, Greg Folkert wrote: [snip] I guess that's called a mainframe :) No, mainframes are not really that capable as a holy grail to set your sights on. Yes they operate on a different set of standards, but over all, they were designed to handle large amounts of input and output in a very reasonable way. They really don't do computing any better or worse (subjective, yes, I know) than any other systems. The only real thing mainframes do better than many other systems, that I know of, is COST a lot of money to maintain and upgrade. Did you just contradict yourself? They're *great* at IO. And they're durable. Durable, through HUGE maintenance contracts. Though... I should have said: Besides IO, the only real thing mainframes do better than many other systems, that I know of, is COST a lot of money to maintain and upgrade. Some costs I have seen in the past, associated with mainframes: * $50K just to get TCP/IP enabled on a single network interface. * $120K to enable another, already there, processor. * $60K to update the disk IO scheduler, that was mistakenly ordered with the wrong configuration I could mention others, I don't have all day. These were all done in about 30 minutes after a P.O. was cut and faxed. Does AIX have batch queues? This response intentionally left blank. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: XFCE, and Gnome
On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 16:51 +0530, Masatran, R. Deepak wrote: XFCE advertises itself as a fast window manager. But since both are based on GTK, won't Gnome be equally fast? What is it that makes XFCE faster than Gnome? Try it. Experience it. You can easily install it and try it, without losing anything. Main reason it doesn't have the configuration daemons or backend components that require resources. It does have some stuff. It also removes features, which is misguided. XFCE has everything I want and then some. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Re[2]: Build X 3.3.6 version under etch
On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 16:21 +0300, Egor Tur wrote: Hi Gerardo, Hi folk. I try build old version of XFree86 (3.3.6-44 from http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ woody) under current etch. But there are problems with malloc function. For examle: XFree86 3.3.6 is several years old. It probably must be compiled with the gcc version that was current at that time. New gcc versions often enforce language rules more strictly and break old programs that don't conform. Both gcc 2.7.2 and 2.95 are available in Etch (aptitude install gcc272 gcc-2.95). Probably one of those will do. Thanx, this solve problems with malloc, but now I have new errors: gcc -c -O2 -g -Wall -I../../../../../../programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common -I../../../../../../programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/os -support -I. -I../../../../../../programs/Xserver/include -I../../../../../../exports/include/X11 -I../../../../../ .. -I../../../../../../exports/include -Dlinux -D__i386__ -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=199309L-D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500L -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE -DSHAPE -DXINPUT -DXKB -DLBX -DXAPPGROUP -DXCSECURITY -DDPMSExtension -DPIXPRIV -DGCCUSESGAS -DSTATIC_COLOR -DAVOID_GLYPHBLT -DPIXPRIV -DXFreeXDGA -DNDEBUG -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNA RROWPROTOlnx_io.c lnx_io.c: In function `KDKBDREP_ioctl_ok': lnx_io.c:88: error: structure has no member named `rate' lnx_io.c:96: error: structure has no member named `rate' lnx_io.c:98: error: structure has no member named `rate' lnx_io.c:99: error: structure has no member named `rate' lnx_io.c:100: error: structure has no member named `rate' lnx_io.c: In function `xf86SetKbdRepeat': lnx_io.c:207: warning: implicit declaration of function `ioperm' make[8]: *** [lnx_io.o] Error 1 make[8]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/X_3/xfree86v3-3.3.6/build-tree/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/os-support/linux' make[7]: *** [linux] Error 2 gcc now is link to gcc-2.95 I tried to look for a solution to the problem on the Internet. This problem is known, but I was unable to find a solving. You are using Etch right? If you are then install the libc-compat libraries. If you upgrade to Lenny or Sid... non-posix threads (or non pthreads) are no longer supported. You will have a extrememly difficult time getting them to compile using the linux architecture. It is a function of GLIBC being updated by the owner of it, not Debian. Good luck. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: GRUB duplicates kernel entries in menu.lst
On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 16:11 +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote: Hi you all I noticed this strange behaviour in grub, in etch and now in lenny. Every time update-grub is called, due to a kernel installation or removal, menu.lst grows bigger. Installed kernel entries for (recovery mode) are duplicated, same thing happened for AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST section. Actually the latter problem seems to be solved after a manual removal of AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST duplicates. I did a apt-get --reinstall install grub and dpkg-reconfigure grub with no success and removing recovery mode duplicated lines does not solve. I know I won't be installing and removing kernels every day but I think this is worth noting. On one machine I maintain, I have 4 kernels installed. linux-image-2.6.18-1-k7 linux-image-2.6.18-2-k7 linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 That means there is all four kernels installed. And by default the grub setup for Etch and now Lenny enabled a recovery mode or Single user mode as an alternative to the regular one. So for me I have these 9 menu selections Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-4-k7 Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-4-k7 (Single User Mode) Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-3-k7 Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-3-k7 (Single User Mode) Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-2-k7 Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-2-k7 (Single User Mode) Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-1-k7 Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-1-k7 (Single User Mode) memtest86+ I edited the /boot/grub/menu.lst to reflect the defaults I like rather than what came as default. You will also note the first entry has the largest/newest designation. If you don't like the single User/Recover mode then edit the line in /boot/grub/menu.lst that reads: # alternative=true To look like # alternative=false Then as root run: update-grub -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: XFCE, and Gnome
On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 10:09 -0400, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2007 08:33:57 -0400 Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 16:51 +0530, Masatran, R. Deepak wrote: XFCE advertises itself as a fast window manager. But since both are based on GTK, won't Gnome be equally fast? What is it that makes XFCE faster than Gnome? Try it. Experience it. You can easily install it and try it, without losing anything. Main reason it doesn't have the configuration daemons or backend components that require resources. It does have some stuff. It also removes features, which is misguided. XFCE has everything I want and then some. XFCE is my default desktop now. Proudly. It works with all the bell, buttons, widgets, function, window behavior, effects... I want. Which removes features, which is misguided? GNOME. Case goes like this. Peep likes to use feature X in GNOME. Discovers a bug in feature X, files a bug against it. GNOME team(s) look at it, ponder and ask for guidance from the Mighty Jeff Waugh, who then consults in a dark and cryptic language called sane defaults and user don't know what they need. They then pronounce feature X is deprecated and no longer supported in GNOME, except by another crypotic program called gconf-tool. This is just an example and might possibly be embellished by the explaining individual (me). Just look and make a call for yourself. I think I'm misguided :). Using GNOME? Yes, yes you are. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 09:46 -0400, Manaen Schlabach wrote: On 5/10/07, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Almost as bad is when people top post their replies. Did these people utterly fail in grade school, or are they deliberately ignoring the flow of language? Their MS outlook defaults to top posting...therefore it must be ok. Microsoft said so =_) Firsts in top posting, that I know of: The first M$ program was MS-MAIL. The first I know about was SYSM. Anyone else care to comment? -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: getting a pdf document to print
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 17:46 +0100, andy wrote: Hi all I have received a multipage pdf document that has been locked so it cannot be printed. I would like to be able to print this document so that I can read it on the road. Any ideas for by-passing the lock? pdf2ps then ps2pdf might just work. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Issues with external HD, changed to read-only
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 14:40 -0400, Eric A. Bonney wrote: I have an external hard drive that for some reason in the last couple of days was changed to a read-only file system. I have looked at /etc/fstab and the drive is being mounted correctly as rw. I have looked at the permissions of the drive and they all seem correct also. Even if I am logged in as su, I am not able to delete any files on the drive. Is there a way to change this so that the drive works correctly? All the other drives are working properly, just not this one. Providing there is not a *REASON* the drive was switched to RO by the kernel; i.e. a hardware issue or something of the like... As root: mount -oremount,rw /mount/point Where /mount/point s where the drive is mounted. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Remote desktop into my linux server
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 14:42 -0400, Eric A. Bonney wrote: I am currently using VNC to remote desktop into my server that is in the basement when I need to make configuration changes. It works just fine, but the only issue is that I have to remain logged into the system in order for it to work. Is there anyway to remote desktop into the box without having to always be logged into the system? Do you need GUI ON your server? Because, I don't have have ANY Desktop Environment nor X server nor VNC installed on my server. I use straight SSH. And SWAT to configure samba for my mod-chip'd XBOX. I have LOTS on my 600MHz server, 768MB RAM, recently I consolidate my storage to it. I have TBs worth of data on it and it runs a slimserver, samba, nfsv4 and other services for my home LAN. Not a single GUI app on it. Not really sure what you need, but a Xserver running along with a desktop environment sure does suck up the resources. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: OT: Can't we just drop all the OT stuff...
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 12:58 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: Come on, we all come here for TOPICAL discussions and bare metal Debian stuff. [snip] Oh, wait. No. Joe? you are the one supposedly doing this. For those of you not in the know: Yes, I am being facetious and sarcastic, by a long shot. And Yes, this was a shot at how sometimes things just have to poked at. Gads, I am glad I was joking, imagine my sue-prize when I looked at all the responses. I poked at it because of all the OT-ness going on. People complain and moan about the noise and other such stuff. It was PURE rhetorical prose. I just wanted to do it before some other crafty individual actually MEANT it. After all, I have to play nice with everyone now... since my run in with a hit and run Troll, that I couldn't seem to ignore properly. Now, come on people. When it comes to OT-ness I am from the pot calling the kettle dayglo orange camp, I OT as bad as any. I call BS when I see it, some don't understand that I am not being aggressive and domineering. I just don't like to explain everything three hundred times and don't like being called an idiot when I am trying to help the same person doing the calling. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: swap
On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 15:39 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 01:07:23PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 12:15 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 11:55:56AM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: Cluster? HA! Bigger Single computer? HA! They have 8 processor machines with 64GB of memory already. The batch process can only utilize 1 processor. The other 7 processors, are basically idle. I've trended the entire machine for them. If they could LPAR the machine(s) out, they'd be marvelously happy. But they would need to get the memory upto 512MB or better and then multi-path IO for the swap... sheesh. It would be cheaper to just buy another machine and add it, but then they already have 3 hours at worst, 4 hours at best, of growth left. In any case, a pre-batch program assigns jobs to each machine, it takes nearly an hour to estimate loads. Again single processor usage. This whole package was never meant to scale. But it has been forced to. It also was meant to be a temporary fix until a new system was to be spec'd and written. Nothing ever came of the effort in the 70's and was dropped when this was good enough. I suppose the holy-grail would be something that does for CPUs in boxes what LVM does for disks: Allow a single-threaded process to utilize multiple CPUs for more speed, those CPUs able to be both within one box, and spread: a CPU pool and a memory pool. That is pretty much what IBMs LPAR of AS/400 and AIX (and other hypervisor setups) do. Unfortunately, this company was sold a sooper-dooper machine in a deal for 2 of them. They would have spent more on smaller machines. But, IBM has sales quotas and deal deadlines for sales people. Forklift upgrades, full cabinet deals are pretty much the norm when it comes to the sales department. IOW, push more hardware, period, they'll eventually be suckers for upgrades. The focus for a while seems to have been how to divide up a big computer in to several smaller virtual servers (ala xen or IBM's LPARs). I haven't kept up on efforts to solve a massivly sequential problem. However, my interest is aroused. Massively sequential problems are very, very, very difficult to parallize. Even vectored processor systems balk and fail badly at massively sequential problems. If you have a box with 8 processors and your process can only use one, can you use something like Xen, designate one whole processor and its memory to your main process and use the other processors as helpers? (maybe you don't need Xen for that, I don't know). Yes, you could, but that is why I mentioned they would need 512GB+ of RAM and serious multi-pathing to the IO to get sufficient bottle neck reduction. It would be cheaper to just add smaller more commoditized systems aka Linux which the software vendor is still resisting. Or even just to add 2 processor AIX systems with 64GB of memory. For example, if the process needs more memory and therefore uses swap, and the MB is maxed out for memory, could another processor be used by the OS to manage a multi-disk swap farm? Put another way, if a linux box can serve data to saturate a gigabit ethernet, and it is possible to create a block device that looks like a disk that really gets its data over ethernet from another computer, can an 8-way MB take that input and present a virtual swap device to one processor so that swap functions at the same speed as memory? Wow, you have three ideas in one paragraph there. First off, let me tell you a bit more about the processing that goes on. First off, the primary machine goes through and does an estimate on the number of records pulled for each billing job. It then assigns (in the DB) which defined machine will do what jobs. Each of these machines are defined with capacity info built into the script to determine the amount of work possible. Its a huge SWAG, that is tweaked until right, over the course of a few weeks. This then kicks off the processing of the previous days records. Each machine ALL of its daily info into memory, this of course creates a big problem... the 36 and AS/400 systems did not do this, they used piece-meal in methods. This behavior was changed during the conversion to use AIX. The static data in memory of course swaps out. This was causing the behavior of the machines becoming lethargic and not able to complete the processing in DAYS, falling further and further behind. Add enough swap to cover the anemic amount of working room problems fixed the lethargy. Though a back hack, it does work. Though, adding machines would be easier on the amount of memory required per machine to use, remember they were sold expensive systems. To much to allow for smaller machine that could actually work better. Now, idea number one. Multi-disk swap farm, already done, I've spread the swap out over multiple disks on the SSA channels/chains using logical extents with a policy
Re: [ in /usr/bin Question
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 21:07 +0800, Wang Xu wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:01:50AM -0400, Tom Grove wrote: Hello all...I am new to this Debian thing :-) I used it in the Woody days but moved over to the FreeBSD world for the last few years. I recently installed Testing (Lenny) and see the left bracket in my /usr/bin directory and do not know what it is. When I ls -al it I get: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 24752 2007-01-30 13:51 /usr/bin/[ This leads me to believe that it was installed with the base system or some package because I just installed the system earlier this week. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks. it is test(1) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/\[ dpkg: /usr/bin/[ not found. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ file /usr/bin/\[ /usr/bin/[: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ which test /usr/bin/test [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/\[ /usr/bin/test -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 24984 2006-08-16 07:52 /usr/bin/[ -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23024 2006-08-16 07:52 /usr/bin/test [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/bin/\[ /usr/bin/[: missing `]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/bin/test [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Hmmm. I wonder what this all means. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Purging bad exim4 stuff
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 15:02 +0300, David Baron wrote: I have a non-zero panic log and other logcheck item show frozen messages and stuff on permanent non-deliver status and such. A lot of these items are old. If I try to remove them using webmin, often they are locked. How might I flush the queue and get rid of all the junk? Assuming these messages are junk and the paniclog problems have been fixed, as root: exim4 -Mrm $(exipick -i | xargs) /etc/init.d/exim4 stop /var/log/exim4/paniclog /etc/init.d/exim4 start -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Re: xhosts problem
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 17:46 +0530, Vidyadhar Gadgil wrote: On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:19:13 +0530 Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snipped buncha stuff] Isn't there any way to give fedora-like ability to open xwindows-dependent programmes as the original user. Some /etc/Xhost* file or something (I could not find any such in my fc5 install)? Or to avoid these hanging problems when switching users with many processes running? Have you tried the 'sux' package? That should solve the problem you describe. Installed sux and tried it out. No luck when I tried 'sux user' -- evolution froze up again. But 'sux - user' worked perfectly. Why is that? Anyway, thanks a ton, you have solved the problem. Would be curious to know, though, whether the hanging I sometimes experience when using the fast-user-switch-applet is a bug? Of course, sux is a much better option for my needs, but I'm curious anyway. sux - username refreshes the users environment So instead of sux username that keeps all of YOUR environmental variables, so it is username in your world. Whereas sux - username changes all environmental variables to username's, making it possible to operate as then proper. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Re: debian linux-image update
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 14:20 +0530, Vidyadhar Gadgil wrote: Ok, so that's why menu.lst looks the same. The time stamp was for the day I updated, so that means it has updated the kernel, right? The vmlinux file in /boot has date stamp of the day I installed etch, but the initrd.img file has the date stamp for the update. So everything is okay, right, and the security fix was nicely applied? to really check to see what version of 2.6.18-4-ARCH you have dpkg -l | grep linux-image should get you lines like: ii linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1 Linux 2.6.18 image If you see the 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1 you are on Etch security update for package number 1, in this case linux-image. I run the k7 variant. That is a standard, by appending etch# we can ensure that dpkg will install the newer version than straight package names without etch# on it. This also scales well to have multiple security releases over time. Woody and Sarge both used this method. I don't remember if Potato or earlier did, as I didn't pay as much attention to packaging. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [ in /usr/bin Question
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 18:01 +0200, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hi Greg. Greg Folkert, 09.05.2007 17:37: On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 21:07 +0800, Wang Xu wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:01:50AM -0400, Tom Grove wrote: Hello all...I am new to this Debian thing :-) I used it in the Woody days but moved over to the FreeBSD world for the last few years. I recently installed Testing (Lenny) and see the left bracket in my /usr/bin directory and do not know what it is. When I ls -al it I get: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 24752 2007-01-30 13:51 /usr/bin/[ This leads me to believe that it was installed with the base system or some package because I just installed the system earlier this week. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks. it is test(1) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/\[ dpkg: /usr/bin/[ not found. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ file /usr/bin/\[ /usr/bin/[: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ which test /usr/bin/test [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/\[ /usr/bin/test -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 24984 2006-08-16 07:52 /usr/bin/[ -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23024 2006-08-16 07:52 /usr/bin/test [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/bin/\[ /usr/bin/[: missing `]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/bin/test [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Hmmm. I wonder what this all means. That [ and test actually do the same but [ has a bit more code in it. (For checking for the closing ] and for the output of --help and such, I guess.) I’m not sure what you are wondering now. Yes, you hit exactly the wondering. Looks like Bob McGowan also wonders why. I was used to seeing it as a hardlink to test. He states it much better than I, on this subject. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Japanese fonts in gnome-terminal
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 09:56 -0400, Victor Munoz wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 04:34:38PM +0200, Sven Arvidsson wrote: From the description you gave above, it sounds like you should have everything needed to at least display Japanese, so what exactly goes wrong? Can you for example copy text from the Japanese Wikipedia to gnome-terminal? Well, your question made me investigate a bit more, and I discovered that I am indeed able to see Japanese text... sometimes at least. I copied text from Japanese Wikipedia, and it is copied correctly into gnome-terminal. I can 'cat' emails in Japanese and I see them. I alternate between locales ISO-8859-1 and EUC-JP, without problem. What I *cannot* do is read these emails in mutt/jed (I use jed as the editor for mutt). I see things like: ^[$B3'MM$+$i$NB??t$N%;%C%7%g%sDs0F$r$*BT$A$$$?$7$F$*$j$^$9!#^[(J Reading the email as a usual file with jed also fails. I would say the problem is jed. Except that when I read the folder list with mutt subjects also come out wrong; or when I simply read the mail, and I understand jed is not involved here. So any ideas on how to fix mutt/jed? My problem seems to be specifically to read mails in Japanese with mutt. I could change the editor to xemacs, but 1) I'd prefer to stay with jed because it's faster; 2) problems with reading mail and subject list would not be solved by changing the editor. You might want to change to an rxvt that does unicode or kxvt. It appears that mutt/jed are having a tough time picking up the right encoding from gnome-terminal. Some old hacks (from 2004) on the jed-users mailing list show this for jed, fixing russian input and reading issues. Sheesh: http://www.tlug.jp/craigoda/writings/linux-nihongo/node42.html Long time for this problem to persist. Looks like a kanji enabled rxvt is the ticket. You might also want to submit a bug against gnome-terminal for this. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
OT: Can't we just drop all the OT stuff...
Come on, we all come here for TOPICAL discussions and bare metal Debian stuff. I mean, I might just have to unsubscribe and find another venue to find my fix for Debian only topics. Heck, even Debian Devel have been obsessed with the number string: 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 And arguing about ftp-mailings, required -dbg, oneupsmanship with Ubuntu and now Estimating the number of Debian *USERS* of all things. I know how many there are... all 11 of us want this to be STOPPED! (or was it 42? Eleventy?) Come on, there are people TRYING to needle through all this NOISE... You are wasting huge amounts of time and bandwidth. Oh, wait. No. Joe? you are the one supposedly doing this. For those of you not in the know: Yes, I am being facetious and sarcastic, by a long shot. And Yes, this was a shot at how sometimes things just have to poked at. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Japanese fonts in gnome-terminal
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 13:44 -0400, Victor Munoz wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:42:47PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: You might want to change to an rxvt that does unicode or kxvt. It appears that mutt/jed are having a tough time picking up the right encoding from gnome-terminal. Some old hacks (from 2004) on the jed-users mailing list show this for jed, fixing russian input and reading issues. Sheesh: http://www.tlug.jp/craigoda/writings/linux-nihongo/node42.html Long time for this problem to persist. Looks like a kanji enabled rxvt is the ticket. You might also want to submit a bug against gnome-terminal for this. Thanks for the tips, but I have been unable to make it work. I installed rxvt-ml, rxvt-unicode-ml, mrxvt-cjk, kterm, and nothing. All of them are able to show correctlty 'cat'-ted files, for instance, but none of them works with mutt+Japanese mails. At least in kterm I found a way to make a pop-up menu appear, so I could change the encoding, but still no luck. I noticed, in the link you gave, that this guy not only calls a kanji enabled terminal, but a kanji enabled mutt, which I could not find in Debian. Calling mrxvt -km eucj/sjis doesn't help either. All this is very strange of course, as I had this working in sarge, and I recently tried successfully in Ubuntu, and I never needed anything else but some fonts, locales, and the usual mutt/jed/gnome-terminal. But if there's any other suggestion as to how to make this work in *any* terminal I would be more than grateful :-) In .muttrc you might try: set send_charset=us-ascii:iso-8859-1:iso-2022-jp:utf-8 You can add more. Let us know. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: faceless google (was: Re: How do I setup printer?)
On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 23:59 -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote: You would be well served to learn to google-fu to help you with this stuff. I prefer mailing lists myself. It's more human, rather than the faceless, conglomerate google. The thing is, many times it is those same people's responses you find on google. This then causes them to re-iterate. Not that many mind it, though. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: access to DVD movies
On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 20:55 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian users, http://xinehq.de/ suggests xine_dvd_plugin for access to DVD movies. xine_dvd_plugin is not visible in Debian. What in Debian has a similar function? please goto http://www.debian-multimedia.org and look to setup one of Christian's mirrors as a deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Really annoying.
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:04 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 02:28:52PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/08/07 14:17, Joe Hart wrote: [snip] flame Joe Hart is not worthy of being an ethicist. Although he does have strong opinions, that is exactly what they are. I mean come on, the guy isn't really running Debian. He uses Sidux. What kind of ethical statement is that? /flame Ethics has nothing to do with it. He's just not manly enough to run Sid. oh bu really though. I wasn't suggesting that Joe Hart be a moderator. Just the resident ethicist so that we have someone to blame when we're bad. When n00b complains about getting flamed for asking silly questions we can say: Joe said it was okay and he's the resident ethicist so stfu n00b!!! :) Damn, don't I wish. a recent dvd problem, that would have come in handy. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Problems with KDE on mounted home
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 04:31 +0200, Rico Secada wrote: Hi I have been testing KDE on a mounted home directory. I am using sshfs. I have changed the different KDE variables so everything point to the mounted home directory. I have also made sure that both uid and gid are the same on the local and remote machine. When I try to start KDE I get this error found in .xsession_errors: SNIP Xsession: X session started for dave at ons maj 9 04:24:02 CEST 2007 startkde: Starting up... kdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Operation not permitted Could not bind to socket '/home/dave/kde-tmp/ksocket-dave/kdeinit__1' Warning: connect() failed: : No such file or directory kdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Operation not permitted Could not bind to socket '/home/dave/kde-tmp/ksocket-dave/kdeinit__1' Could not register with DCOPServer. Aborting. ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! startkde: Shutting down... Warning: connect() failed: : No such file or directory Error: Can't contact kdeinit! startkde: Running shutdown scripts... startkde: Done. /SNIP The directory /home/dave/kde-tmp/ksocket-dave/ does exist. What I don't understand is, what is going on here: kdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Operation not permitted What bind operation is that and how do I make it work? Well, you see many of the local sockets for KDE have to be, well, local. For me, if you must usee sshfs for remote homedirs... I'd re-direct all user only scokets to /tmp or /var/tmp It is all in the config. I've never really forced KDE to use /tmp for things such as the DCOP, ksocket or kdeinit stuffs... but I am sure it is all in the global configs of the machine people are using at home. In other words, /home/dave/kde-tmp/ksocket-dave/kdeinit__1 needs to be local. So rather than put it $HOMEDIR/kde-temp/ksocket-dave/blahhh I'd force it to be in /tmp/ksocket-dave/blah. Them perms will come out rght and it should work just right. In effect KDE is trying to use a remote socket as a local one. That is the bind error. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: How can I refresh Etch completely?
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 18:54 -0500, Dennis G. Wicks wrote: Greetings; I think I have something basically wrong with my system. Programs that nobody else has problems with fail with a floating point exception. [snip] Any way, any ideas short of the old Windows stand by, Format the hard drive and reinstall? Well, if I were you. The first thing I would do is create a *COMPLETELY* new user, using the console,(CTRL-ALT-F1) or do a telinit 1 and then add the user. Reboot, login as that user in GDM and see what happens. *IF* that works then you know you only need to kill ALL of your $HOMEDIR settings in regard to gnome and gconf. The list following of directories (and files) is by no means complete, but here the list I usually go by: .gnome .gnome_private .gnome2 .gnome2_private .gconf .gconfd .dbus .fontconfig .gftp .gimp* .gstreamer .gxine .gtk* .metacity .nautilus .themes .xine .xmms .Trash I find, that upgrading GNOME is no the smartest thing in life to do. But I can't complain. But If you don't have any luck with the new user method, there are ways to re-install everything. It a labor of love, but doable. Write us back if you have luck or not with the new user. Hopefully, that'll be the end of it. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Command line wave player
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 17:42 -0400, Eric d'Alibut wrote: I seem to recall a linux command line wave player -- wavp, or waveplay, or something like that? Does that ring any bells with anybody? Alternatively, has anyone tried to build the *bsd audioplay package on linux? Sox? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/play sox: /usr/bin/play [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l | grep sox ii sox 13.0.0-1 Swiss army knife of sound processing That play just about any kind of normal audio I've been able to find. Cheers. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Versioned /etc ?
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 19:02 +, J.A. de Vries wrote: On 2007-04-29 @ 00:04:49 (week 17) Greg Folkert wrote: On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 23:10 +, J.A. de Vries wrote: On 2007-04-28 @ 15:36:10 (week 17) Greg Folkert wrote: On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 19:22 +, J.A. de Vries wrote: [snip description of vicf] That rocks. Anyway to get into Debian as a package? Since you are the upstream author. Hi Greg, Sure, no problem. I'd be glad to do so if it proves to be useful to others. I'd see it as another opportunity to give something back to the community. However as I've been the only one to use it up to now wouldn't it be wise to let some people test it before doing so? I am not familiar with the procedure, so if you (or someone else) could tell me what would be best I am willing to put some effort in it. Release it in source form first, I'd use it. I couldn't find it on you website at the moment. It took me some time to get back to this due to work (I am currently quiet busy as a Project Manager for a Identity Access Management project at a bank). I uploaded the script to my server. You can download it from http://www.jadev.org/files/vicf Any comments, feature requests and/or bug reports can be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Will get it into serious testing for myself. I'll comment as needed. Thanks. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: (solved)Re: why these files can't be displayed properly by gv
On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 08:09 +0200, Joe Hart wrote: Serena Cantor wrote: Thank you for your efforts! I convert it to pdf with ps2pdf, then open it with Adobe Reader of Windows, it's fine. --- Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-05-06 at 15:10 -0700, Serena Cantor wrote: I have sarge and gv, I find tutorial below is useful: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/unix-tutorials/courses/unix.ps however, it can't be displayed properly by gv what's the problem? It doesn't display properly in a few viewers I used to display it. It might be that it is in booklet format. Which means two facing pages per landscape page. I did: wget http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/unix-tutorials/courses/unix.ps ps2pdf unix.ps Opened it in doc-viewer (evince) and it opened just fine. Again, multiple viewers I used, 6 in total that are supposed to be able to look at .ps files easily, not one could properly render it past the first 3 characters. In the middle of the lefthand side, An I is all I got to see. A shame that one has to keep 6 viewers on their system. You'd think one or two would be enough. No, I don't keep 6 viewers on my system. I have the luxury of running a Linux distribution called Debian. It allows me to install use and remove packages very easily. I really believe it is the shizzle for my izzle as I can do nearly anything I want without having to compile or convert these packages. I don't have to worry about dependency issues or anything of the like. That said, I can also remove the packages just as easily. Which I did. My guess, the landscape format is killing it. Plus the file is 14 years old, back then postscript was slightly different than it is now. You're probably right. I hope so. Of course, you really need to switch to Debian Linux. (-; -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: google earth, pango
On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 10:29 +0200, Gregor wrote: Hi, I have a problem. 2 tools I have tried give me such an output and wont work: 1. pcsx2 (NOT from debian repository) [snip] (unknown:5861): Pango-CRITICAL **: _pango_cairo_font_map_get_renderer: assertion `PANGO_IS_CAIRO_FONT_MAP (fontmap)' failed and so on ... 2. google earth [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sh GoogleEarthLinux.bin Verifying archive integrity... All good. Uncompressing Google Earth for GNU/Linux 4.0.2735.0.. (setup.gtk2:5929): Pango-WARNING **: No builtin or dynamically loaded modules were found. Pango will not work correctly. This probably means there was an error in the creation of: '/etc/pango/pango.modules' You should create this file by running pango-querymodules. (setup.gtk2:5929): Pango-WARNING **: pango_shape called with bad font, expect ugly output [snip] and do on... I dont know if this is a debian related problem or a problem with the software itself. Maybe some of you did have the same problem and might tell me a solution. For the second problem, I can suggest installing googleearth-package. as root: apt-get install googleearth-package make-googleearth-package As far as the first problem, I have the following pango (and pango related) packages installed and receive no problems like you posted: libpango1-ruby 0.15.0-1.1+b1 Pango bindings for the Ruby libpango1.0-0 1.16.2-2 Layout and rendering of int libpango1.0-common 1.16.2-2 Modules and configuration libsdl-pango1 0.1.2-1 text rendering with Pango Cheers. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: swap
On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 05:24 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/07/07 04:53, Francesco Pietra wrote: Is it conceivable to add a low-quality 300GB HD (for swap file) to a raid1 system? The system consists of ---Tyan S2895 Thunder K8WE mother board ---Two WD Raptor 150GB each ---Two Dual Opteron ---16 GB ram In computations, I can presently offer 96GB as swap (my home), though it is not enough. Actually I started my system with two Maxtor HD 300GB each, though, on long runs, they proved incompatible with the mother board and had to be replaced. Thanks for advice 96 GIGABYTES of swap space If that's not enough, you need a very large, expensive SPARC or Superdome system. I've part-time admin'd (contracted) a couple of systems that required 128GB of swap during batch processing middle of the night setups. Primarily because of the inner looping of some of the jobs and the amount of stored info hanging in memory. Rather than fix the batch processing system, which came from an AS400 (which originally was on an IBM 36 system), the company suggested swap as a workaround. This is a medical billing system that has been around since... the 70's and has only been extended and never refactored or optimized. The reason being, they are afraid that the system will break. Being written in COBOL and some kind of JPL. Lets just say that the whole batching thing could easily be done dynamically, but would require a huge amount of work to re-factor and optimize the code for machines being produced now-a-day. But the fact that this package cost upward of $500K for maintenance per year per machine running it, says a lot doesn't it. Its a milker. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: swap
On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 12:15 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 11:55:56AM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: I've part-time admin'd (contracted) a couple of systems that required 128GB of swap during batch processing middle of the night setups. Primarily because of the inner looping of some of the jobs and the amount of stored info hanging in memory. Rather than fix the batch processing system, which came from an AS400 (which originally was on an IBM 36 system), the company suggested swap as a workaround. How much memory and swap did the program have to play with on an AS400 or 36? Things are allocated differently on the AS400 and different differently on the 36. There really isn't a way compare them, easily. Plus the extending has had deleterious effects on the currently supported implementations. They no longer support the other platforms as they don't have enough experience with them. They are trying to move everything to Windows as that is what everyone is asking for. To generalize the problem, given that the software can't be changed, at what point do you start to look at either a bigger single computer or a cluster that looks like a bigger computer? For me its just an intelectual exercise; I went from a 486 with 32 MB swap to an Athlon with 1GB in a single bound. That Xorg makes _that_ swap really burns me up. Cluster? HA! Bigger Single computer? HA! They have 8 processor machines with 64GB of memory already. The batch process can only utilize 1 processor. The other 7 processors, are basically idle. I've trended the entire machine for them. If they could LPAR the machine(s) out, they'd be marvelously happy. But they would need to get the memory upto 512MB or better and then multi-path IO for the swap... sheesh. It would be cheaper to just buy another machine and add it, but then they already have 3 hours at worst, 4 hours at best, of growth left. In any case, a pre-batch program assigns jobs to each machine, it takes nearly an hour to estimate loads. Again single processor usage. This whole package was never meant to scale. But it has been forced to. It also was meant to be a temporary fix until a new system was to be spec'd and written. Nothing ever came of the effort in the 70's and was dropped when this was good enough. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Help with setting up home network
On Sun, 2007-05-06 at 09:38 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 08:41:47PM -0400, Eric A. Bonney wrote: So before I start really getting to far into this, can I get sharing going on my home network with just samba or do I also need NFS? I want to be able to read and write to my linux server from all machines (XP and Linux) and read and write files to my shared XP drives from my Linux units. Looking at the Samba book seems great but is Samba all I need? Samba and NFS are two different protocols for the same stuff and can be used independently. If you need to access the server from XP then you definitely need Samba and not NFS. Samba is MS's file sharing protocol (SMB), but better implemented ;) Better implemented? no. Bug for bug compliant, is what the Samba Team claims. Maybe more robust on the serverside. If you can read the shares on the server, but can't write to them this can be easily fixed. You need to tinker with the /etc/samba/smb.conf on the server. The file itself is well commented and also includes some examples. There are more than Samba perms at issue. If he isn't using the same username, or the posix stuffs below samba aren't properly setup. Remember Samba only adds on top of local filesystem perms. If those are wrong then Samba won't fix any of that. Otherwise you can find lots of docs in the samba-doc package. True, but there are tons on the Samba website. John terpstra has really made huge strides in things like the Samba by Example document. Really makes things nice and easy. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: why these files can't be displayed properly by gv
On Sun, 2007-05-06 at 15:10 -0700, Serena Cantor wrote: I have sarge and gv, I find tutorial below is useful: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/unix-tutorials/courses/unix.ps however, it can't be displayed properly by gv what's the problem? It doesn't display properly in a few viewers I used to display it. It might be that it is in booklet format. Which means two facing pages per landscape page. I did: wget http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/unix-tutorials/courses/unix.ps ps2pdf unix.ps Opened it in doc-viewer (evince) and it opened just fine. Again, multiple viewers I used, 6 in total that are supposed to be able to look at .ps files easily, not one could properly render it past the first 3 characters. In the middle of the lefthand side, An I is all I got to see. My guess, the landscape format is killing it. Plus the file is 14 years old, back then postscript was slightly different than it is now. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Can't disable NCQ, /sys/block/sdc/device/queue_depth is readonly
On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 19:13 -0700, Roy Franz wrote: I can't disable NCQ due to the sysfs file being read-only: amd64:/sys/block/sdc/device# ls -al queue_depth -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-05-04 18:44 queue_depth amd64:/sys/block/sdc/device# amd64:/sys/block/sdc/device# echo 1 queue_depth bash: queue_depth: Permission denied amd64:/sys/block/sdc/device# I am running amd64 Etch, with this machine running a 2.6.20 kernel. I checked another AMD64 machine that is running the stock Debian 2.6.18-4 kernel and the file is also readonly there. This seems to be the officially supported way of enabling/disabling NCQ. Has anybody else run into this or have a solution? Why would you want to disable NCQ? You are using libSATA right? Is your controller in the blacklist? or Are you specifically having some kind of issue? -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: How to boot in to Etch if grub fails to load and deletes NTLDR?
On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 16:46 +0530, Deboo ^ wrote: On 5/4/07, Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 09:39:57AM +0530, Deboo ^ wrote: Is there an option I can make a boot CD like the boot floppy option present in RedHat/Fedora systems towards the end of installation? You can use the netinst CD as a rescue disk. Just boot with option 'rescue' or 'rescuegui'. Regards, Andrei Well I want a substitute for the boot floppy that used to boot the system in the days gone by. Even a 1.44 MB floppy was able to boot a normal debian system I think I did it once on a potato 2.2 system and it would happily boot off the floppy in to the normal debian and even X worked well. Is that not possible with the netinstall? Where's that boot floppy option now? Boot floppies are not really doable anymore. Take a look at the size of the kernel and the size of the initrd. On my system the 2.6.18-4 kernel and initrd image are: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -sh /boot | grep 2.6.18 71K config-2.6.18-4-k7 5.8M initrd.img-2.6.18-4-k7 710K System.map-2.6.18-4-k7 1.3M vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-k7 That precludes making a boot floppy, unless you make one for you machine without any loadable modules. Then the kernel will just fit unless comiled in options inflate it even more. Your best best now a day, would be to make a bootable CD (yes, I know ironic) that works like the floppies of old. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: pros/cons of installing from source
On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 13:22 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: On 5/4/07, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 12:42:40PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 10:34:27AM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: [heavy snippage dude] You mentioned debian commitment to FSF and its social contract, as very good reasons by themselves to run debian. I totally agree. However debian is not the only distro with such commitment. Actually sourceMage picked debian social contract and modified it a bit... snip... I understand Greg's comments to be about Debian's commitment to enforcing a packaging policy, i.e. a policy on where and how things are installed. To me is quite a different thing than a social policy. In Debian, if the install scripts of a package to not put things where the policy says they should be _that_ is a bug in the package. It may also be considered a bug in some other distro.s. I've not kept track of this sort of policy issue in any other distro. since I discovered Debian. The Social Policy is also good. But I think it is easy to feel good about a Social Policy, and it is hard work to implement a packaging policy. I think that the packaging policy is what really sets debian apart. THat's why everything just works... because dev's can count on things being a certain way and if its not, they can count on it being fixed. A Hmm, OK, we're changing the original topic now, but it's OK. I didn't want to comment more, but I think there's a confusion here. On a binary distribution you required a packaging policy, since you have different package developers, and in order to keep a coherent functional and robust system (dependencies, etc), you need to enforce a packaging policy. Debian packaging policy has demonstrated to me by far to be the best (personal opinion here), and not now, almost from the very beginning. Yes, only Debian does the Policy and enforcing of it. It is my whole point about policy. However on a source based distribution, there's no different package developers, the admin of the system is the developer at the same time, and he/she is the one deciding what to compile against (libraries, dependencies whether strict or optional, etc). Okay then, so how do you work through all the problems? Like a fail to compile due to a slight change in libfoozle that is incompatible with program blarfengangle's method of factoring? Furthermore, sourceMage, and probably other source based distros also have their own packaging policies. In sourceMage for example the spells, include a section for dependencies, just like in debian, and the required dependencies by upstream are included there. Beyond that there are 2 release branches, one stable, and the other testing, plus a development environment. Nothing goes to stable if the testing community is not satisfied about it. Again, just because something is compiled against something else does not needlessly mean that it is slower or faster or even better or worse. I'd like to know how you delve deep into the deps on things for HUGE packages such as X.org or OpenOffice or GNOME or KDE. Seem there has to be a packaging policy being foisted on you by someone. Which if you REALLY want to build you own Linux, you need to boot a LiveCD, Download source for the base libraries, compile them for a chroot. Install them in the chroot. Then compile the compilers and install them in the chroot. Then configure and compile your compilation tools (like autoconf, automake, m4, awk... etc) and install them. Finally chroot into the adhoc area. Then download and build the Kernel and other critical packages. Then a bootloader (grub/lilo/elilo/whetever) compile it and install it, then write the MBR for it. Once that is done, setup the booting stanzas and re-run the updating or what have you script to get it possible to boot from the disk. Once booted, you get to rebuild everything you just built, so you get native builds (and don't forget to heavily optimize) and not cross/non-native builds. From that point forward, you get to download HUGE tarballs and then configure them... grab pieces you forgot/missed to for things you want enabled, like DNS resolution is a good thing, recompile everything again to use DNS resolving libraries... Then restart the X compilation, finding yet another core thing usually caught... compression... egads yet another make world and the list goes on and on and on. I think there's no way to compare packaging policy between a binary distro and a source based one. Yes there is. Gentoo has one, SourceMage has one. Unless you force things into NON default locations, you are following packaging policy. Sort of like ports on *BSD. The philosophy is completely different. It actually is not very different at all. sourceMage requires things in particular places and to use specific calls. Just like
Re: Installing OpenLDAP on Etch
On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 16:08 -0400, Jan Sneep wrote: I'm trying to install OpenLDAP. Has anyone done this on Etch yet? I have downloaded the software and extracted the files as per the Admin Guide and I'm stuck on one of the steps. I think based on the output in the log files that this has to do with the default setup under Debian Etch so thought I should post the question here first. After downloading the software you are supposed to run the script Configure. http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin23/install.html#Running%20configure apt-get install slapd ldap-utils Then follow your instructions after the configuring and installing sections in the guide. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: Installing OpenLDAP on Etch
On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 20:54 -0400, Jan Sneep wrote: -Original Message- From: Greg Folkert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 4, 2007 4:13 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Installing OpenLDAP on Etch snip Then follow your instructions after the configuring and installing sections in the guide. Nothing seems to be in the same folder that corresponds to the manual ... know of any documentation that tells where files were created during the Debian install ... the Gnome - Places - Find Files is petty useless at actually finding anything ... :O( Location of files won't be exactly like they have them... it not a word for word translation. IOW, you start here: http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin23/slapdconf2.html Files are not located in /usr/local/etc/openldap/, but are in /etc/ldap. /usr/local/etc/openldap/slapd.conf is actually /etc/ldap/slapd.conf. So, in other words, remove the /usr/local from the front of the instructions. Things that are supposed to be located in /usr/local/var will be located under /var/lib/slapd. In fact /etc/ldap/slapd.conf has the following directive: # Where the database file are physically stored for database #1 directory /var/lib/ldap In it. So, things aren't as missing as you thought. The binaries for all the OpenLDAP stuff will be in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin (some may even be in /bin or /sbin, depending on thier actual function, but typically not). Any libraries need for OpenLDAP will be in /usr/lib/ldap. All of these changes are due to the File Hierarchy System (to see the directive do man hier) as it is applied to Most Distributions. Yes while confusing, it does allow for making a cohesive system. Where as using the /usr/local directives keep most everything in /usr/local/openldap making a nice little container for everything, it does make it tougher to make a good, stable, integrated and maintainable system of it. Also, to figure out exactly what was installed and where they are use the following, in a gnome-terminal: dpkg -L slapd | less and for the ldap-utils do: dpkg -L ldap-utils This will tell you exactly where things are. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
