Correction to last message for Debian 11 and Debian 12
Greetings, After a couple of decades of using various Linux distributions, I've been on Debian 10 for some years. I like it a lot! Recently, I decided to download Debian 12.4 and was alarmed to notice that Debian 12 downloads are no longer through https connections. In addition, I installed 12.4 and discovered that the post installation repository links are non-free only. Also, two of the largest corporate entities are evident within desktop notifications, prior to any updates to the operating system. Then, I tried 11.8 and was able to download on https link. However, after installing the operating system, the repository links are non-free only. Also, the desktop notifications have an obvious presence of one of the largest corporations. It appears that after Debian 10, the corporate takeover of open source software is in play. It's not that I'm unwilling to download from contrib or obviously non-free sources, but it's clear that Debian is no longer the "complete free" operating system. It was a lot better experience to be able to run Debian without non-free sources, and then to decide whether or not to download non-free drivers or packages. Consequently, I've decided to keep using 10.13 until I can find a different Linux distribution that is still completely free. Please find a way to restore the integrity of open-source software distributions. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, Jeff Jennings
Debian 11 & Debian 12
Greetings, After a couple of decades of using various Linux distributions, I've been on Debian 10 for some years. I like it a lot! Recently, I decided to download Debian 12.4 and was alarmed to notice that Debian 12 downloads are no longer through https connections. In addition, I installed 12.4 and discovered that the post installation repository links are non-free only. Also, two of the largest corporate entities are evident within desktop notifications, prior to any updates to the operating system. Then, I tried 11.8 and was able to download on https link. However, after installing the operating system, the repository links are non-free only. Also, the desktop notifications have an obvious presence of one of the largest corporations. It appears that after Debian 10, the corporate takeover of open source software is in play. It's not that I'm unwilling to download from contrib or obviously non-free sources, but it's clear that Debian is no longer the "complete free" operating system. It was a lot better experience to be able to run Debian without non-free sources, and then to decide whether or not to download non-free drivers or packages. Consequently, I've decided to keep using 10.13 until I can find a different Linux distribution that is still non-free. Please find a way to restore the integrity of open-source software distribution. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, Jeff Jennings
Re: Keyboard prevents screensaver & scrolling terminal window
Hi Thomas, On 19/10/2021 22:31, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Seems to be considered a firmware bug of the keyboard which might become repairable in the future: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=267365 Oh, yes. Even better. Worked a treat. Thanks again Jeff OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Keyboard prevents screensaver & scrolling terminal window
Hi Thomas, Thanks for your suggestion. On 17/10/2021 13:53, Thomas Schmitt wrote: If your suspicion is right, xev should show lots of such Key* events as soon as its receiver window gets the focus, without you pressing any key at the keyboard. In that case, end xev and look at the messages on the terminal window or in file /tmp/xev.log . Yup: KeyPress event, serial 68, synthetic NO, window 0x661, root 0x238, subw 0x0, time 3095352, (168,-22), root:(1030,437), state 0x110, keycode 248 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False Which sent me here: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=105326 In my case, there were multiple devices called "Cherry Keyboard", so I used the following to disable the one sending the spurious events: Section "InputClass" Identifier "disable cherry key" MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event4" Option "Ignore" "on" EndSection Thanks for the help! Regards Jeff OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Keyboard prevents screensaver & scrolling terminal window
Hallo! I picked up a second-hand Cherry MX 3 keyboard some time ago. The feel is very good, but when it is plugged in, I can no longer scroll the active terminal window, and the screensaver no longer activates. I can scroll inactive terminal windows, and everything returns to normal if I unplug it. It is as if the keyboard is constantly sending invisible keystrokes (e.g. shift or control), but otherwise it works fine. Is this a fault with the keyboard, or am I missing a setting somewhere? Regards Jeff Please keep me in cc, as I am not subscribed to the list. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: ctrl+shift has stopped working in the last 36 hours
Hi Brad, On 04/12/2020 14:56, Brad Rogers wrote: Of little help to you (sorry 'bout that), but checking here, it seems all Ctrl/Shift+Key combos work - Debian amd64 Testing, updated today and rebooted. A kernel upgrade was performed, so a reboot was desirable. Thanks for the reply. Strangely, it's working again. Don't know why. Regards Jeff OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
ctrl+shift has stopped working in the last 36 hours
I am running testing, which unattended updates keeps current daily. Yesterday, I noticed that ctrl+shift combinations no longer work. ctrl+key works, and shift+key works, but ctrl+shift+key does not any more. Has anyone else noticed anything similar, or have any tips on what to try? (Obviously, I have spent some time on internet searches, but none of the things I tried have worked) Regards Jeff P.S. Please keep me in cc, as I am not subscribed. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Unable To Determine Proper Package For BUG
I have a syslog capture of a BUG that I seem to routinely hit under specific circumstances. I have other details that might be of interest to whomever is interested in this BUG. For example, this is a fully updated Debian "buster" system with a ext4 (OS) and ZFS (storage array) filesystems on it. Should this be filed somewhere in Debian and if so which package? FYI - No, the impacted system does not support "reportbug" because the system is heavily firewalled for secuity reasons. [ 6787.703456] list_add corruption. next->prev should be prev (0533875c), but was c2b0df70. (next=c2b0df70). [ 6787.703475] [ cut here ] [ 6787.703477] kernel BUG at /build/linux-43CEzF/linux-4.16.12/lib/list_debug.c:25! [ 6787.703578] invalid opcode: [#1] SMP PTI [ 6787.703625] Modules linked in: zfs(PO) zunicode(PO) zavl(PO) icp(PO) iTCO_wdt iTCO_vendor_support zcommon(PO) znvpair(PO) spl(O) intel_rapl intel_soc_dts_thermal intel_soc_dts_iosf intel_powerclamp crct10dif_pclmul crc32_pclmul ghash_clmulni_intel intel_cstate pcspkr lpc_ich igb i2c_i801 i915 dca sg drm_kms_helper video drm i2c_algo_bit button w83627ehf hwmon_vid coretemp autofs4 ext4 crc16 mbcache jbd2 crc32c_generic fscrypto ecb crypto_simd cryptd glue_helper aes_x86_64 evdev hid_generic usbhid hid sd_mod xhci_pci crc32c_intel xhci_hcd ahci libahci libata usbcore usb_common fan scsi_mod thermal [ 6787.704159] CPU: 0 PID: 406 Comm: spl_dynamic_tas Tainted: P O 4.16.0-2-amd64 #1 Debian 4.16.12-1 [ 6787.704254] Hardware name: Supermicro X10SBA/X10SBA, BIOS 1.3 01/31/2018 [ 6787.704325] RIP: 0010:__list_add_valid+0x36/0x70 [ 6787.704371] RSP: 0018:bf78c1ddfc98 EFLAGS: 00010082 [ 6787.704425] RAX: 0075 RBX: 9d1abfda1940 RCX: [ 6787.704494] RDX: RSI: 9d1abfc16738 RDI: 9d1abfc16738 [ 6787.704563] RBP: 9d1aaa859b80 R08: 0328 R09: 0003 [ 6787.704631] R10: R11: 0001 R12: 9d1abfda18c0 [ 6787.704699] R13: 9d1aaa859bb0 R14: 9d1aaa859bb0 R15: 9d1abfda22e0 [ 6787.704768] FS: () GS:9d1abfc0() knlGS: [ 6787.704845] CS: 0010 DS: ES: CR0: 80050033 [ 6787.704901] CR2: 5623e6ae2bd0 CR3: 73c0a000 CR4: 001006f0 [ 6787.704970] Call Trace: [ 6787.705004] account_entity_enqueue+0xc5/0xf0 [ 6787.705052] enqueue_entity+0x98/0x640 [ 6787.705094] enqueue_task_fair+0x67/0x7e0 [ 6787.705139] ? sched_clock+0x5/0x10 [ 6787.705179] set_user_nice.part.70+0x183/0x1e0 [ 6787.705248] taskq_thread_create+0xe1/0x100 [spl] [ 6787.705306] taskq_thread_spawn_task+0xe/0x30 [spl] [ 6787.705362] taskq_thread+0x2d1/0x530 [spl] [ 6787.705408] ? wake_up_q+0x70/0x70 [ 6787.705452] ? taskq_thread_spawn+0x50/0x50 [spl] [ 6787.705501] kthread+0x113/0x130 [ 6787.705537] ? kthread_create_worker_on_cpu+0x70/0x70 [ 6787.705591] ret_from_fork+0x35/0x40 [ 6787.705631] Code: 18 48 8b 10 4c 39 c2 75 24 48 39 c7 74 33 48 39 d7 74 2e b8 01 00 00 00 c3 48 89 d1 48 c7 c7 f0 e5 e5 84 48 89 c2 e8 d4 c5 d3 ff <0f> 0b 48 89 c1 4c 89 c6 48 c7 c7 78 e6 e5 84 e8 c0 c5 d3 ff 0f [ 6787.705860] RIP: __list_add_valid+0x36/0x70 RSP: bf78c1ddfc98 [ 6787.705922] ---[ end trace de26ea3fb015155e ]---
Fonts for widgets in Cinnamon
I have been using Cinnamon (from testing) for a couple of years with no problem until a couple of days ago, when suddenly the font size for most widgets increased. This is annoying, as certain lists in things like Thunderbird no longer fit on the page. I started playing with the fonts preferences in Cinnamon, to no avail. I could change all sorts of things about the panel font size, but not things like the size of the menus in the programs themselves. I wondered instead if the problem was with one of the themes in Cinnamon, but all the installed ones seem to have the same problem. I looked at the settings in /usr/share/cinnamon/theme/cinnamon.css, but wasn't able change the font size. I tend to update & upgrade every day, so I then looked through /var/log/dpkg.log for a recent upgrade that could be at fault. I downgraded libgtk-3-0, libgtk-3-common, libgail-3-0, gir1.2-gtk-3.0, gtk-update-icon-cache, libgtk-3-bin to 3.22.17-1, which didn't help. I downgraded libwayland-client0, libwayland-cursor0 & libwayland-server0 to 1.13.0-1, but that didn't help either. So I'm now out of ideas. Does anyone know where I should look next? Regards Jeff P.S. Please put me in cc, as I am not subscribed to the list. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: How ip camera can be a bulb, updated items- AJR
Dear Manager Happy Monkey Year！ This is Jeff from Shenzhen AJR ,11 years manufucture of security ip cameras. We supply our own characteristic products and also OEM ODM service. Our new convert bulb camera may expand your business. Feel free to ask for details, expect potential cooperation. Best regards Jeff Chiang SHENZHEN ANJIERUI TECHNOLOGY CO.,LTD. Room 409,Building 3,Block 30, Hi-tech Park,Nanshan District,Shenzhen,Guangdong Province 518057 Tel: 86 755 36921469 Fax:86 755 26722581 Skype: ajrcam006
Re: Fresh hidden bulb ip security camera- AJR
Dear Manager This is Jeff from Shenzhen AJR ,11 years manufucture of security ip cameras. We supply our own characteristic products and also OEM ODM service. Our new convert bulb camera may expand your business. Feel free to ask me for catalogue, expect potential cooperation. Best regards Jeff Chiang SHENZHEN ANJIERUI TECHNOLOGY CO.,LTD. Room 409,Building 3,Block 30, Hi-tech Park,Nanshan District,Shenzhen,Guangdong Province 518057 Tel: 86 755 36921469 Fax:86 755 26722581 Skype: ajrcam006
Log in failure
Just trying to log in for support and the debian.org page is sending back log-in failure. Just installed jessie from netbook ISO, installed graphically on t-40 IBM (1.5 gig ram) went seemingly well, but on boot states no firmware or radeon drivers loaded then continues on to run quite well when desktop appears after log in. ID's wireless networks but keeps re prompting me to connect to wifi every 30 seconds. Apologies for not waiting to log in, J Smith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1431638896.1293.8.ca...@gmail.com
Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the Universal Operating System
On 10/04/2014 08:44 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 10/4/2014 6:44 AM, Tom Collins tomcollins...@mail.com wrote:
and depreciating (as if they have the right to do that) many
programs that rely on gtk2 and non-syst__d.
peeve
It is 'deprecating', not 'depreciating' (an accounting term).
/peeve
Either could be accurately used. To wit:
From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:
deprecate
v 1: express strong disapproval of; deplore
2: belittle; The teacher should not deprecate his student's
efforts [syn: {deprecate}, {depreciate}, {vilipend}]
depreciate
v 1: belittle; The teacher should not deprecate his student's
efforts [syn: {deprecate}, {depreciate}, {vilipend}]
2: lower the value of something; The Fed depreciated the dollar
once again [ant: {appreciate}, {apprise}, {apprize}]
3: lose in value; The dollar depreciated again [syn:
{depreciate}, {undervalue}, {devaluate}, {devalue}] [ant:
{appreciate}, {apprise}, {apprize}, {revalue}]
Jeff
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Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:57:12 +0200 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Change is life. There is nothing static in life. So all the fuss about wearing those grounded, anti-static wrist straps is just a hoax? -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5428aed6.8060...@charter.net
Re: There is no choice
On 09/20/2014 04:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote: These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people, particularly users, from doing something which would contribute to what they claim that they are doing. Exactly how are Debian Developers preventing others from contributing? Almost everything we do is publicly available. Nothing is stopping anyone from contributing to Debian, proposing patches, or even forking Debian entirely if you want. In all of these separate threads, you have been doing little but maligning people who are volunteering for Debian. It's not a nice thing to do, it's not pleasant to read, and in doing so, you're actively draining existing contributor's desire to continue working on Debian. Please stop. And your reply, Don, had the end-of-message quote: Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. -- Justice Roberts in 319 U.S. 624 (1943) Interesting. Very interesting. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/541e35e5.3010...@charter.net
Re: Choice of init system?
On 09/19/2014 10:52 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 08:15:57PM -0400, Ed Jabbour wrote: Does (or will) the Jessie install offer a choice of systemd or sys5init? Seems like it will offer a choice. How obvious that there is a choice, I have no idea about, you/we will have to wait until Jessie is declared the new Stable. Now where have I heard that before? Oh yes ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU -Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/541c9229.7050...@charter.net
Re: Errors at login : in which log can I get the message ?
On 08/31/2014 09:28 AM, Erwan David wrote: I submitted a bug, however I could not find those messages in any log : That's not a systemd bug... why ? ...it's a systemd feature /sarcasm -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/540324f7.1070...@charter.net
Re: End of hypocrisy, beginning of reason
On 08/05/2014 07:01 PM, AW wrote: And the documentation on the official systemd site is quite terrible, at least so far as I've been able to discover. They must have copy/pasted the initial systemd documentation from the Arch Linux Wiki. When the powers that be over at Arch Linux decided to change over to systemd, the often hostile condescension shown to end users having problems was truly disturbing, and one key reason I moved over to Debian. Some of the posts in this thread remind me of what I read during my last days using Arch, so I can't help but wonder if this relatively recent adventure into Debianland is going seem like a blink of an eye compared to the 5+ years with Arch. Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53e243d1.2050...@charter.net
Re: What is the connection between Microsoft and systemd?
On 08/03/2014 09:51 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Microsoft wrote systemd. Or at least the design spec. *Everyone* knows that much silly! Here's a web page for ya: html pMicrosoft wrote systemd. Or at least the spec. This is authoritative./p /html The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity. - Abraham Lincoln -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53df6aee.3080...@charter.net
Re: FWIW: the modularization of systemd
On 07/27/2014 07:32 PM, green wrote: Minix has some fascinating reliability features... Wouldn't it be ironic if Tanenbaum ultimate wins the debate? ;) Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53d59667.2070...@charter.net
Re: What do you guys use instead of youtube-dl and minitube?
On 07/12/2014 07:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, The way I get throttled, occasionally the only way I can watch a Youtube video is to download it first and then watch it with smplayer. As far as I can see, Wheezy has no package for either youtube-dl or minitube. What are you guys using to fill that need? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance If one is willing to accept (begrudgingly or otherwise) the disgusting bloat of iceweasel, the addon Flash and Video Download v1.58 http://www.fnvfox.com/works pretty well. Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker
Re: Article on swift, responsive computers
On 06/15/2014 02:58 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, Here's my latest Linux Productivity Magazine, themed The Swift, Responsive Machine: http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/201406/201406.htm Hope you enjoy it. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance Still reading your article, Steve. Very good info. Thank you. Since switching to ratpoison a couple/three years back, just about /anything else/ feels s-l-o-w. Firefox, and Mozilla in general, are really over-the-top pigs, so of late I've been fiddling with luakit browser. Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53a765d6.9080...@charter.net
Re: Strange no mail traffic........
On 06/21/2014 06:31 PM, Charlie wrote: Please CC me just in case: Wondering if the Debian user server is down? No mail in my inbox. I know that the ISP I use is flaky, and they have been blacklisted on many occasions and this might be one of those? So I may have been unsubscribed but my attempt at resubscribing has met without any feedback? Could someone please throw some light on this? Or has there really been no traffic on the list for the last 5 hours? TIA, Charlie Only Debian traffic here today has been the three related to Strange no mail traffic... Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53a63351.7010...@charter.net
Disturbing ICEWEASEL behavior
I'm using Iceweasel 24.6.0 with Wheezy: both religiously updated. The disturbing behavior is my preferred top of the browser toolbar is getting mysteriously, and without an apparent pattern, changed. Preferred: http://alienjeff.net/browser1.png Changed: http://alienjeff.net/browser2.png Anyone else experience this problem? Is there a fix for it? Anything in about:config I can address? I'd like the preferred toolbar to be persistent after setting it up. TIA, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53a2d9b9.3090...@charter.net
Re: Disturbing ICEWEASEL behavior
On 06/19/2014 08:38 AM, Jeff Bauer wrote: I'm using Iceweasel 24.6.0 with Wheezy... snip I forgot to mention installed addons, which are: Flash and Video Download 1.57 Flashblock 1.5.17 Ghostery 5.3.1 Shortly URL Shortner 1.04 Simple Adblock 1.0.8 Again, TIA, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53a2e1dc.40...@charter.net
Re: Iceweasel and DRM
On 05/24/2014 08:49 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 14:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 13:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Being against DRM isn't clownery :(. I made a living from artwork many snip PS: A pirate copy, shared cracked software could be good promotion. If snip PPS: I reflected my opinion. We should find a perfect copy protection, snip and to get rid of all the intellectual piss. lulz intellectual piss Try a different translator, Ralf. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/538096af.6030...@charter.net
Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management
On 05/22/2014 09:14 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014 00:17:06 +1200 Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: And in the case where the copyright has elapsed? The main point, rather than my additional comment? Richard Few of us will be alive when Jerry's works go out of copyright, given that even if he died this very day, his copyrights would expire in 70 years. So why worry about that? A lot can happen between then and now. If you don't like that ridiculous copyright period, blame the guys who think they're perfectly in their rights to do unauthorized copying and distribution. They make Disney and Bono look downright virtuous, and dilute the credibility of those of us who want to change copyright period (and maximum damages) to sane amounts (and time periods). SteveT Kinda/sorta related, but well worth the time to watch: Patent Absurdity: how software patents broke the system http://patentabsurdity.com/watch.html Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker
Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)
On 05/20/2014 08:12 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote: David Guntner grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Then don't add to the bandwidth with your please to stop. As you've been told before - just ignore the thread. And if you can't do that, get a email reader that will. No. Just because you and a small group of noisy people are too fscking lazy and inconsiderate to take the topic where it belongs and where it would be WAY more appropriate is not a reason for everyone else on the list who is here for the purpose of talking ABOUT THINGS DIRECTLY RELATED TO DEBIAN to have to make modifications to get your unwanted cruft out of their mail readers. The Debian off-topic list exists expressly for the purpose of discussing things like this. It's not rocket science, Jerry. Even you should be able to figure that out. I can't help it that you just don't want to and think that this list is your personal playground where anything goes. Ok, that last bit was a bit insulting, and was uncalled for. I apologize for that. Yes, I find you quite insulting. However, that does not change the fact that you and the other noisy few who just *have* to drag an off-topic discussion on and on and on and on to the point where it's not even beating a dead horse any more - the horse is GLUE at this point - is incredibly inconsiderate to all the other people on this list who are here for reading and discussion things that pertain directly to the Debian operating system and its software package. Which is, after all, the stated purpose of this list. An Debian Off-Topic list was created specifically for the purpose of allowing Debian users a place where they can discuss politics, DRM, the FSF condemning ant-eaters for eating ants, etc. to their heart's content. People on that list want to discuss, and see discussions, on all those other subjects. There seem to be a lot of people contributing to this conversation - but very few (i.e. ONE) complaining about it. THIS list is here for the purpose stated above. When you guys keep going on and on and on about something which is blatantly, patently off-topic for it, you are, in fact, being extremely rude and inconsiderate of all those others - many of whom may simply be lurking to read and learn. When you flood the list with so much noise that the actual signal starts to be drowned out, you effectively ruin the usefulness of the list for its intended purpose. Maybe it's useless to you. Tough. I've been using the internet since the 80's, and yes, I'm perfectly capable of kill-filing those topics. If all I was concerned about was just me, I'd do it. But I want the list to remain useful for others as well. In that case I've got you by at least 10 years - I've been on since it was arpanet in the early 70's. And one thing I've found - which you SHOULD have been able to figure out by now - not every discussion is going to be of interest to every person on the mailing list. If you're not interested in the discussion, killfile it. On a strictly personal level, face it - I'm on this list because of its intended purpose. I should not *have* to take steps to filter out off-topic massive threads that just won't go away - NOBODY should have to. Some off-topic stuff is always going to happen on any list. It's just a fact of life that topics will drift a bit every now and then. But when you know damn-well that you're off topic and someone takes the time to nudge you about it, telling them I'm not going to, just filter it out is the height of arrogance. What you're saying is that it's way more important that you use the list any way you want and that people who want the list used for its intended purpose can just bugger off. As am I. And if you don't like a discussion, ignore it. That's what filters are for. And telling someone to take an active conversation somewhere else because YOU DON'T LIKE IT - now THAT is the HEIGHT OF ARROGANCE. I'm not going to continue this particular discussion on list, because I don't want *this* thread to drag out into Yet Another Off-Topic Thread That Just Won't Die. If you want to discuss further, feel free to reply back to me directly. If you feel the burning need to reply to this on-list, there's not much I can do to stop you. :-) But I won't reply to anything you say there on the list. --Dave Then please don't waste any more bandwidth. You do this every time a discussion YOU decide is off-topic comes up. And although you've been told the same by many people, you continue your infantile behavior. Jerry Please take this to either pissing_cont...@lists.debian.org or kitten_fig...@lists.debian.org -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email
Should apt-get autoremove Gain Confirm for Packages Removal?
Hi, I am not exactly using Debian but building another distribution with DPKG and APT as basic package management suite. But we just found that, when doing apt-get autoremove, there was not a warning or extra notice for removing packages which sometimes leads to a broken system... Well, I would really want to hear what you guys think... Jeff Bai from AOSC
Re: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]
On 03/11/2014 03:42 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: snip ...the project is considering the adoption of a 'code of conduct' which will replace the existing mailing list CoC. The text of the proposal is here[1]. Of particular relevance here is, I think, a community in which people feel threatened is not a healthy community. feel threatened? Puh-leez! Cry me a river, then grow a pair. Jeff Bauer Winsted CT USA -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/531eea81.7030...@charter.net
Re: systemd: some more questions
Please make the voices stop... -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52fe302b.4080...@charter.net
iceweasel upgrade being held back
On an existing Wheezy installation, performed apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade - but iceweasel is being held back. Tried apt-get -f install thinking it may be a dependency issue, but still being held back. Any thoughts/suggestions? Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52fa2afb.2010...@charter.net
Re: iceweasel upgrade being held back
On 02/11/2014 09:50 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 08:51:55AM -0500, Jeff Bauer wrote: On an existing Wheezy installation, performed apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade - but iceweasel is being held back. Tried apt-get -f install thinking it may be a dependency issue, but still being held back. Starting today [1], wheezy's iceweasel version was increased to 24.3.0esr-1~deb7u1, to match current ESR of Mozilla's firefox. Side effect of this bump is that iceweasel started to depend on xulrunner-24.0 package, instead of original xulrunner-10.0 (or xulrunner-17.0, which was previous ESR). 'apt-get update' is just doing what it is told to do - upgrade installed packages, but don't install new packages or remove old ones. To upgrade iceweasel, you'll need to: 1) Invoke 'apt-get dist-upgrade', to allow apt to install all new dependencies. 2) Optionally, invoke 'apt-get autoremove --purge', to remove old xulrunner. [1] http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2014/Feb/35 Reco Thanks very much Reco. apt-get dist-upgrade did the trick! Appreciate your explanation re: xulrunner, too. Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52fa3c97.5020...@charter.net
Re: fastest linux distro
On 01/25/2014 05:17 AM, tom arnall wrote: Currently I am running ubuntu 12.04. I am unhappy with the speed of it. Any info/suggestions will be greatly appreciated. As the automotive mechanic said to the (pick your least favorite make/model car) owner: I'd suggest you jack up the gas cap and put a new car under it. Consider LFS, Gentoo, Arch, or Slackware. Jeff P.S. You do realize that this is the Debian user list and not the Ubuntu user list, don't you? ;) -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e64c65.3030...@charter.net
Re: Help with command - cp
On Sun, 1/26/14, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: As I said to Zenaan, it is obviously time for me to bite the bullet of rsync. It seems a significantly better tool for the purpose than cp. Some time ago I was using cp for bulk file copying, but was having some issues with maintaining the original permissions and such. That was quite a while ago and may have been a result of PEBKAC, and not cp itself. heh. After some not-so-gentle nudging from my computing guru moved me to rsync. Nowadays my use of cp is pretty much limited to very basic stuff and leave the heavy lifting to rsync. No looking back ... Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e5a216.3040...@charter.net
Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit
On 01/20/2014 05:20 AM, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Am 17.01.2014 um 22:10 schrieb Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: A computer is able to produce a jazz, rock, classical style song, but not able to touch human emotions. Artificial Intelligence needs Artificial Emotions. It was in the year 1987 taht I first saw a paper about Artifcial Emotions, but nearly no progress since. If you want to experience artificial emotions, date a native California girl. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52dd09f0.4060...@charter.net
Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit
On 01/18/2014 03:12 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:00:53PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 14:38 +0100, Denis Witt wrote: Or think about machines in mills, sorting out single grains of poor quality while they are falling down like a waterfall into the millstone granting a better flour quality than you can with dozens of human workers doing the same. I mentioned that there are some tasks computers are good for ;), but many things only can be done by humans. What is quality? Quality means different things to different people. The supermarket would discard the average apple while the so called organic store would see it as just another healthy apple! In Robert Pirsig's classic, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, an assignment was given a college class to define quality, which caused a great deal of consternation amongst the students. This was one of the best parts of the book and worth the read for patient and inquiring readers. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52da4dac.2020...@charter.net
Re: Debian logging - confused
On 01/15/2014 06:14 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: snip The reason I'm asking is, I can't seem to find where sshd is logging (I'm having someone remote in and help me with something, but can't find any record of him having been there yesterday)... Appreciate any pointers... Pointer: http://bit.ly/19u0DK9 -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52d67444.2000...@charter.net
Re: Question
On 01/12/2014 04:44 PM, Bob Bernstein wrote: On Sun, 12 Jan 2014, Cameron Murgatroyd wrote: Hi I've recently become a frequent user of debian and I have a question [...] I love the internet. Consider where this post took me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murgatroyd Fabulous stuff. Simply fabulous. NEVER trust a post made by someone whose surname rhymes with hemorrhoid. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52d32eff.3050...@charter.net
Re: Number of Procs
On 01/08/2014 10:41 AM, Hudson Flavio Meneses Lacerda wrote: hudson@musix:~$ free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 435412 22 0 2 74 -/+ buffers/cache:334100 Swap: 1057143914 In 2014, that's a pretty meager amount of memory. Going into swap tells a tale, too. If possible, consider adding memory. Jeff http://alienjeff.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ce9ba7.5010...@charter.net
Re: unable to install stardict
On 01/04/2014 01:38 PM, Slavko wrote: Dňa Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:57:42 +0100 François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr napísal: I tried to install stardict snip The StarDict's development seems to be ended. Five or more years ago when still enamored with Puppy Linux, I discovered that Puppy's PBDict was just a gooey GUI wrapper for the application dict. Deciding to forego the clumsy GUI and mouse, I started just issuing dict foo in a terminal. Since then, first with Arch, and Debian, dict is perhaps one of my most frequently used apps. Another thing I did was to install dictionary databases locally, as I was virtually crippled when dict.org's servers were offline. YMMV. Jeff http://alienjeff.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52c871ef.7060...@charter.net
Re: jwm
On 12/22/2013 08:51 AM, Brian wrote: On Sun 22 Dec 2013 at 02:40:09 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Do I have to edit the whole menu myself or is there a way to use the same menu as other DE's do use? At least for categories like Internet it would be nice to automatically get a menu entry when installing a browser. Yes, the menu has to hand crafted. /usr/share/doc/jwm has something to say on this. User rarsa tackled this issue with Puppy Linux around versions 2.12/2.13 ... something with XDG, iirc. Here's a more recent, related thread: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=498150544t=85757 Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52b6f66d.10...@charter.net
Re: Installing Debian 7.3.0
On 12/21/2013 09:10 AM, Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:29:40PM -0800, Alireza Bahrami wrote: According to Debian website it's enough for installing Debian on a system. There is an old Dell Latitude laptop with specs as below which I chose to for this purpose: Mobile Pentium4: 1.8GHz CPU Speed: 1.8GHz Level 2 Cache: 512KB System Memory: 256MB Video Memory: 32MB Hard Drive: 40GB Since you've got only 256MB of system memory, I recommend you use a lightweight desktop such as LXDE. A lightweight window manager that would be a smooth transition for those familiar with Windows 95/98 vintage OS's would be JWM, aka Joe's Window Manager. http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/jwm A companion file manager could be ROX-filer: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/rox-filer And yes, Puppy Linux was one of my stepping stones to Debian ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52b5c119.5060...@charter.net
Re: Package Request
On 12/07/2013 05:55 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Reading the whole thread is impotent heh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a31394.3030...@charter.net
Re: Won't complete bootup (gdm3 problem?)
On 11/29/2013 05:21 PM, Joe wrote: But I came from Gnome2, and LXDE feels more comfortable than Xfce. My first experience with Linux and KDE was with a Knoppix live CD. KDE? Never. Again. I boot to a tty prompt, log in, and type startx which brings up my forever faithful ratpoison WM. Between ratpoison and ROX, I'm pretty much set and not shopping for a DE. Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52991743.9070...@charter.net
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2013 #1401
On 11/17/2013 05:08 PM, Neal Murphy wrote: help This has be the least informative request ever seen in a community support forum. SOS would have provided even less information ... -Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/528940ae.1000...@charter.net
Re: software for (reminder) recommendation
On 11/12/2013 11:09 PM, lina wrote: Hi, Which package I can be installed which may serve as calender, Just remind me when, where and what I need attend or prepare? Thanks with best regards, Barebones would be cal. Type man cal for details. Regards, Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52836fd7.9020...@charter.net
Re: Why Debian
On 11/10/2013 05:35 AM, Joel Rees wrote: My own history -- HUGE snip I wandered over here when Fedora came under the influence of the systemd crowd. Same group as was behind unifying /bin and /usr/bin, near as I can tell. My move to Debian was after nearly 5-years of happily using Arch Linux. Then they decided to impose the Systemd Mandate. Their documentation, which up until that point was some of the best in the Linux world, suddenly turned shoddy-at-best -- at least for those interested in converting an existing installation over to sytemd. If you ask them technical questions, they shout you down. Same with the Arch Elitists. Many left the distro after being publicly scolded and chastised, both on the Arch Forum and in the IRC channel. It was almost as if the powers-that-be in Arch deliberately wanted to thin the herd. And systemd was just the tool to affect the cull. The systemd crowd, no. It's about control. My way or the highway mentality. --Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/527f992a.2070...@charter.net
Re: Why Debian
On 11/10/2013 10:40 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 08:17:06AM -0700, thomas aylward wrote: how does a novice begin with debian? Tom How does a novice begin with Linux - Burn, test drive, and used a live CD distribution for a minimum of a month and learn all you can about it. Then try some others. Repeat as necessary until you find a distro worthy of installing. -Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/527fc5f6.8020...@charter.net
Re: Why Debian
On 11/10/2013 12:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 12:44 -0500, Jeff Bauer wrote: On 11/10/2013 10:40 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 08:17:06AM -0700, thomas aylward wrote: how does a novice begin with debian? Tom How does a novice begin with Linux - Burn, test drive, and used a live CD distribution for a minimum of a month and learn all you can about it. Then try some others. Repeat as necessary until you find a distro worthy of installing. Simply start with one distro and after a while install two other distros to the same machine, if the chosen distro shouldn't fit to your needs. Advising a novice at Linux to build and configure a multi-boot, multi-OS machine? Good luck with /that/ ... -Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/527fcb1f.7010...@charter.net
Re: Hosting advice
On 10/31/2013 06:53 PM, Craig L. wrote: I have a good friend ... Consider https://www.linode.com/ Friends don't run a friend's server on Microsoft; nor do friends set up friend's email with Google. Regards, Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/527388d1.1040...@charter.net
Re: Screenshots under flash
On 10/29/2013 12:37 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: I hae been trying to capture on-screen flash pics using ImageMagicks Import command. But on some sites if flash is used to display the pics, all I get is a black screen. I have tried adding -display:0 to the import command but so far no luck. Anybody have a solution. I don't want to use gnome-screenshot or any of the other big solutions. Cheers WM = ratpoison and the screenshot app here is scrot. Configured a hotkey under ratpoison for quick screenshots. In ~/.ratpoisonrc I added: bind z exec scrot $n '%m-%d-%y--%T.png' -e 'mv $n ~/scrot/' Lightweight and fast. Regards, Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52719ad4.8050...@charter.net
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
On 10/16/2013 12:16 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: Or do you just turn it on and watch your favorite show? Kinda helps to know how to wire together all the various pieces that go with a TV these days- cable connection snip Of course you can call up the local Best Buy and pay Geek Squad to take care of it for you. I sold my television, VCR, and video tapes in January, 1998. No regrets. I remain blissfully ignorant of that entertainment medium in 2013. Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525e6d05.9060...@charter.net
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
Apropos: http://bit.ly/1cR4LnG Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525d23e3.1080...@charter.net
Re: [OT] Trim your posts. (was ... Re: ...)
On 10/06/2013 09:06 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: . How about taking time to trim your posts instead of allowing them to build into an unreadable mess. Hard to tell where to trim when you're trying to make sense of certain kinds of conversations. I apologize to the list for letting myself be drawn into that. To err is human; to forgive is contrary to List Policy. ;) -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525164d2.7050...@charter.net
Re: Building computer
On 10/02/2013 04:59 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 10/1/2013 5:13 PM, Catherine Gramze wrote: I have also looked at my memory usage. At this very moment, not running WoW, I have 5.22 gig being used. 4 gig would not be sufficient for me. You would be correct if the number you're looking at reflected application memory usage. But it doesn't. On any of the modern operating systems one must damn near be a computer scientist to see the actual memory usage. The 5.22GB, this is on Debian, yes? The system monitor? This reports process and cache memory usage. The buffer/cache will literally eat nearly all available memory all the time on Linux, then free some when an application process needs it. I've never used OSX but it's probably similar in its desktop reporting tool. This will really throw you for a loop. Open a shell window and execute ~$ sudo echo 3 /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches Wait a few seconds and see what happens to that 5.22GB number. Then report back what you find. You can do this while playing WOW as well. That number will drop like a rock and WOW will keep on going, because the memory you're freeing with that command is cache. And again, Linux will eat nearly all RAM for cache if the system is up long enough. free is another quick way to see where all your RAM went. Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/524bf870.8020...@charter.net
Re: unsuscibe
On 09/30/2013 05:39 PM, Marc Stephan Nkouly wrote: how do i go out of the list ??? http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/524a34ac.20...@charter.net
Re: Code Of Conduct (was ... Re: Security?)
On 09/23/2013 06:47 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: A quick archive search does show that I helped others on this list much more than you did. List participation is not a competitive sport. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5240200a.9030...@charter.net
Re: Code Of Conduct
Does the obvious pronunciation of the acronym for Code of Conduct, CoC, violate the Code of Conduct? ;-) -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52405302.2070...@charter.net
Re: dictd
On 09/09/2013 08:12 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: For me, it is part of my 'standard' desktop install. Same here. Amen! Two reasons - one, my learning process ... Just passing by a word the definition of which I'm not certain can't be blamed on the (hardcover) dictionary is in the other room. Knowing word definitions is a key element of reading comprehension and expanding one's vocabulary. ... two, I have gotten used to instantaneous dictionary lookups ... Having experienced the online dict.org databases being unavailable three time, I no longer rely on their server(s). I installed the daemon/server locally, as well as the desired databases, and BLAM! Definition displayed. it's hard to accept anything less these days :) Anything less is NOT acceptable. Period. I'm spoiled. Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52338241.9050...@charter.net
Re: Thanks
Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 02 September 2013 17:24:56 Conrad Nelson wrote: I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop environments around to being one of the absolute slowest. The fast, flexible environment is still alive in the Trinity Desktop Environment fork, www.trinitydesktop.org . It was originally called Trinity-KDE, but KDE objected. It has continued to be developed and has reached 3.5.13.2, with 14 about to be released. (KDE 3 ended at 3.5.10.) Lisi Gnome 3 Classic is a good substitute for Gnome 2. Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5224ff2e.2000...@gmail.com
Re: How to get rid of an entry in grub?
On 08/31/2013 12:23 PM, David Guntner wrote: I've been using it as a sort of backup type of partition, mounted as /backup (until I have time to install backuppc and get it all configured; I've just been doing an rsync to the drive). Since I was backing up *everything*, I suppose there's a possibility that it saw /backup/boot/[...] and acted on it, thought that seems an odd behavior to me. I'm running the rsync again right now; when it completes I'll run update-grub again and see if it mysteriously adds the extra entry again. Then we'll know for sure. --Dave My backup regime uses rsync -avz as its backbone. Anything I don't want backed up, I address with the --exclude-from= option in my backup script, and the rsync.exclude file in my user home dir. Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52221e8f.4000...@charter.net
QRZ?
Just out of curiosity, any Debian amateur radio operators care to ID? 73, Jeff, WN1MB -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52189328.4070...@charter.net
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
On 08/23/2013 05:51 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I don't know if an IRC client is available irssi for the hardcore; weechat for the fledgling 'leet Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52173b48.9020...@charter.net
Re: your thoughts: special post for Debian birthday
On 08/13/2013 06:15 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Ana, please would you say what the date of the anniversary is. August 16th heh - my birthdate, too, although I'm considerably older than 20... Happy birthday, Debian. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/520a09e2.4040...@charter.net
Re: apache logging
On 08/09/2013 06:45 AM, msl09 wrote: I think the apache team would be better to ask this kind of question. Maybe they have an irc channel. Check #httpd on irc.freenode.net - 350+ logged in right now. Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5204d320.3070...@charter.net
Re: Backup/Restore software?
On 07/11/2013 08:42 PM, David Guntner wrote: Is there a Linux backup package that will do pretty much what I described above? I know of no such package, though there very well may be one available. On the other hand, a simple back up script using rsync can do the trick for you. And example to back up your home stuff: # backup /home # echo -- echo rsyncing /home echo -- rsync -avz /home /mnt/sda1/debian_backup # end Using that for /home and other directories take care of the backing up. For scheduling, you can tell your computer to do whatever you want, whenever you want, with cron. The learning curve will be pretty gentle with both writing said script and setting up cron. YMMV. Regards, Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51df54d1.60...@charter.net
Re: Switching to 64 bit
200 browser tabs /and/ a gmail account. That figures ... On 06/30/2013 04:22 PM, Kelly Clowers wrote: Can't speak for him of course, but my SeaMonkey is currently using 4.2 GB RES and 5.3 GB VIRT (probably north of 200 tabs)
pdf applciation that ACTUALL deletes pages
Hi, I have installed pdfshuffler, pdfchain, and pdfmod but cannot find one that works to delete pages, and here is the tricky part, save the result error ot at least give me a legible error message. Can someone direct me to an application that will let me delete pages and then save the resulting file fo Debian 7? Thanks, Jeff Shearer, CISA, CISSP --- (703) 615-6997 http://www.linkedin.com/in/shearerjeff � �
the continuing disappointment of Debian 7
Iceweasel crashes all the time and cannot play flash � � �
Re: what happened to the task bar??
My progression/path: JWM/ROX-filer OpenBox/PYpanel straight up ratpoison. Nowadays I'm a hamstrung cripple if forced to use an OS with a DE/WM that's heavily reliant on the dreaded rodent. One can trick out OpenBox pretty seriously if you want to spend the time with configurations, but for this humble soul, it's ratpoison FTW. Regards, Jeff Or, abandon the desktop environment all together, and just go with a window manager, a panel and Debian-menu (I use Openbox and LXPanel).
Re: Who decided we don't need update-notifier any more?
My answer to many of Gnome's upgrades was to switch to KDE, but after the install I still get Gnome.� I have tried to finde where I through the switch.� Do you know? Original Message Subject: Who decided we don't need update-notifier any more? From: Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com Date: Thu, June 27, 2013 6:37 pm To: Debian User Lists debian-user@lists.debian.org -- Yes, I know, I've done the research and some GNOME folks decided we don't need it any more and upgraded us (I'm speaking of those of us on a testing system) to GNOME PackageKit. Well, since I use aptitude for all my package management, I don't consider it much of an upgrade. Why do people insist on fixing that which ain't broke? What possible downside is there to providing a systray icon which tells me when updates are available? Harumph. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAJVvKsOurAgLcfQYAHSn=4aobq3anjm2_6d1zhjubag2j2g...@mail.gmail.com Thanks, Jeff Shearer, CISA, CISSP --- (703) 615-6997 http://www.linkedin.com/in/shearerjeff
Re: what happened to the task bar??
I am trying to move to the KDE desktop.� Seemed like the install went ok.� KDM launches fine but not KDE.� So far no one has responded to my pleas for help to get KDE up and running. Original Message Subject: Re: what happened to the task bar?? From: Wayne Topa linux...@gmail.com Date: Fri, June 28, 2013 1:00 pm To: debian-user@lists.debian.org -- On 06/28/2013 10:28 AM, John W. Foster wrote: I finally got my drop down menus back by installing nautilus. But I still have no taskbar. I do NOT like the way this last upgrade to Wheezy went at all. I have never encountered the number of issues that came with this upgrade. Some folks may be ok with all the desktop changes, however I am not. I did try them and decided I don't care for the new 'features' ( have to work way too hard to do my work). Anyone know how to get the customizable taskbar back? john +10 to that, John. I will not do another upgrade. New install of a new dist for me. WT -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51cdc122.2060...@gmail.com Thanks, Jeff Shearer, CISA, CISSP --- (703) 615-6997 http://www.linkedin.com/in/shearerjeff
Re: what happened to the task bar??
Yeah, I tired to switch to KDE but as I have said, when I reboot I get KDM but then up comes gnome rather than KDE. Original Message Subject: Re: what happened to the task bar?? From: Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org Date: Fri, June 28, 2013 1:02 pm To: debian-user@lists.debian.org -- Le 28/06/2013 19:00, Wayne Topa a �crit : On 06/28/2013 10:28 AM, John W. Foster wrote: I finally got my drop down menus back by installing nautilus. But I still have no taskbar. I do NOT like the way this last upgrade to Wheezy went at all. I have never encountered the number of issues that came with this upgrade. Some folks may be ok with all the desktop changes, however I am not. I did try them and decided I don't care for the new 'features' ( have to work way too hard to do my work). Anyone know how to get the customizable taskbar back? john +10 to that, John. I will not do another upgrade. New install of a new dist for me. WT You will get the same behaviour in any distrib using gnome 3. What you can o (and you can do it in debian) is choose another environment. Debian gives you the choice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51cdc1b8.2050...@rail.eu.org Thanks, Jeff Shearer, CISA, CISSP --- (703) 615-6997 http://www.linkedin.com/in/shearerjeff
Re: mksh vs. pdksh
Perfect.� Thanks.� I included your command in my .profile.� Works like a charm. Original Message Subject: Re: mksh vs. pdksh From: Dom to...@rpdom.net Date: Sat, June 22, 2013 4:29 pm To: debian-user@lists.debian.org -- On 22/06/13 20:47, Jeff Shearer wrote: Good day, One feature I have used for at least 20 years with various verions of ksh is the ability to escape and scroll through my .history file using the lower case letters k and j when vi is designated as my editor in my .profile.� I just implemented mksh which is the supposed replacement for pdksh in Debian but I am unable to scroll through my .history file using the lower case letters k and j.� I am however able to scroll through my history file using the arrow keys. Is there a way to implement the scroll via lower case letters k and j when vi is selected as your editor with mksh? I've never used mksh or pdksh, but when I used to use ksh on unix systems I recall I used to have to set -o vi to enable that facility. -- Dom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51c60929.8040...@rpdom.net Thanks, Jeff Shearer, CISA, CISSP --- (703) 615-6997 http://www.linkedin.com/in/shearerjeff
cannot print
Good morning, I just installed Debian 7 and I cannot print.� All other computers in the house can pring and my Debian 6 box worked fine, until I upgraded.� I don't know much about trouble shooting the matter but here is one thing I tried: root@OfficeWks:/home/ttpro0007# lp lp: Destination Officejet-Pro-8600 is not accepting jobs. � Please tell me what to do next to resolve my inability to print. Thanks, � � �
gnu cash auto update investments
Good morning, I upgraded to Debain 7 from 6 because I could not get the GNU Cash feature to automatically update the value of stocks to work.� I cannot get it to work in 7 either.� I submitted this same information to the GNU Cash mail list, but I am getting no help.� I hope someone on the Debian list can help me. I tried to run the update process manually so I could log the activity:� The following lines are the only error I can see: * 06:05:51� INFO gnc.backend.dbi [gnc_module_init_backend_dbi] GNC_DBD_DIR not set: using libdbi built-in default * 06:05:51� WARN gnc.backend.dbi [gnc_module_init_backend_dbi()] No DBD drivers found * 06:05:51� INFO gnc.engine [gnc_hook_lookup] no hook lists * 06:05:52 MESSG gnc.scm Found Finance::Quote version 1.17 I hope someone can help. Thanks, � � �
cannot start gnome screen saver
Good morning, I recently installed Debian 7 and am having a bit of trouble.� I cannot get the screen saver to work.� While synaptic shows that it is installed, I find nothing in the new really bad GUI to set up the screen saver.� When I try to laund the screen saver manually, I get the following: root@OfficeWks:/home/ttpro0007# gnome-screensaver No protocol specified ** (gnome-screensaver:9006): WARNING **: Cannot open display: � Thanks, � � �
open office install fails
Good morning, I am using Debian 7.� I upgraded from 6 recently.� My attempt to install the open office productivity suite seems to have failed.� While synaptic indicates it is installed, I cannot find it on the reall bad new GUI.� Also, I noted that none of the applications like writer indicate they are installed.� Do I need to install each of them manually? Thanks. � � �
Re: open office install fails
One of the freatures I find attractive in the open source community is the ability to select applications that I enjoy.� I have used Open Office for years and would like to continue using Open Office.� After the install Open Office does not appear in. Office applications. Please advise how I can install and use Open Office. Original Message Subject: Re: open office install fails From: Steven Post redalert.comman...@gmail.com Date: Sat, June 22, 2013 6:34 am To: debian-user@lists.debian.org -- On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 06:17 -0400, Jeff Shearer wrote: Good morning, I am using Debian 7. I upgraded from 6 recently. My attempt to install the open office productivity suite seems to have failed. While synaptic indicates it is installed, I cannot find it on the reall bad new GUI. Also, I noted that none of the applications like writer indicate they are installed. Do I need to install each of them manually? OpenOffice was replaced by LibreOffice [1], this migration normally occurs automatically on upgrades from Squeeze. Make sure the package 'libreoffice' is installed, this will pull in Writer, Calc, etc. If you are using Gnome 3, you can find the application in the activities menu under applications - Office. Regards, Steven [1] http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623 Thanks, Jeff Shearer, CISA, CISSP --- (703) 615-6997 http://www.linkedin.com/in/shearerjeff
mksh vs. pdksh
Good day, One feature I have used for at least 20 years with various verions of ksh is the ability to escape and scroll through my .history file using the lower case letters k and j when vi is designated as my editor in my .profile.� I just implemented mksh which is the supposed replacement for pdksh in Debian but I am unable to scroll through my .history file using the lower case letters k and j.� I am however able to scroll through my history file using the arrow keys. Is there a way to implement the scroll via lower case letters k and j when vi is selected as your editor with mksh? Thanks � �
Re: [R] Installing R-2.15.2 in Debian Wheezy/Testing
In the teaching to fish department, see http://cran.R-project.org/bin/linux/debian/ and customise your mirror as appropriate. --- Jeff NewmillerThe . . Go Live... DCN:jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.usBasics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing Research Engineer (Solar/BatteriesO.O#. #.O#. with /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...1k --- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. Neal H. Walfield n...@walfield.org wrote: At Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:38:10 -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: The current version of R that is available in Wheezy is 2.15.1. However, version 2.15.2 is available at CRAN sites. ... My question is what should be the format of the line in the sources.lists? Here's what I have: deb http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/misc/cran/bin/linux/debian squeeze-cran/ Neal __ r-h...@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/badb4b18-3da4-470d-b32c-787dcca6c...@email.android.com
Re: cron.daily error
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:06:11 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Jeff Grossman wrote: I just did a grep source * from the /etc/cron.daily directory to figure out what file is causing me the problems. But, it came back empty. How would I figure out where that source file is to fix it? The e-mail is my daily cron.daily cron job e-mail that is giving me the error. If the output was coming from one of the /etc/cron.daily/* scripts then the 'run-parts --report' should report the name of it. This leads me to believe that it must be coming from a different crontab. There are several possible locations. All are covered by /etc/cron* though so a recursive grep through there would cover all of the crontabs. grep -r source /etc/cron* /var/spool/cron/crontabs I would also look for su too. grep -r su /etc/cron* /var/spool/cron/crontabs But it could also be in a script that is being called from one of those scripts. In which case you would need to determine which script is producing that noise. I would start by looking at the time of the email. Then looking in /var/log/syslog for a cron task that is running at exactly that same time. There may be some small delays causing the timestamps not to line up exactly to the second but usually it is good enough to identify a single script. Line that up with a crontab that runs at exactly that time. If it were from /etc/cron.daily (I don't think it is due to the lack of a name reported from run-parts --report) then you could run each script individually and look for that error. The same applies to any task defined in /etc/crontab, /var/spool/cron or /etc/cron.d too. But it is more tedious to do. The detail that it is calling 'su' makes me think this is a local something and not a Debian package. I don't know of any Debian packages that make use of su in a crontab. That seems unusual since a crontab would normally simply declare to be run as the other user. There isn't a need for su. Which leads me to believe that this is a local hack. Bob Thanks for everybody's help. I finally figured it out. It was the amavisd-new script in the cron.daily directory. That script called the amavisd-new-cronjob script in the /usr/sbin directory. There is an su line in there. I changed that script to use bash instead of sh and now I am not getting the error when I run the script. I am assuming I won't receive the e-mail tomorrow when the cron.daily cron job runs. Thanks again. Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/irb318t18ef1573lt3ur1qa14lmc0ga...@4ax.com
cron.daily error
Since I have upgraded to Squeeze, I get and e-mail with the following line in it every morning. Would somebody be able to point me in the right direction to figure out what file in cron.daily is giving me this error? -su: source: not found Thanks, Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/f4sv081oo10lei3rj4krbhsb85oos9i...@4ax.com
Re: cron.daily error
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:25:40 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 06:13:31AM -0700, Jeff Grossman wrote: Since I have upgraded to Squeeze, I get and e-mail with the following line in it every morning. Would somebody be able to point me in the right direction to figure out what file in cron.daily is giving me this error? -su: source: not found I imagine that your system shell has been changed to dash (run ls -l /bin/sh to check). Dash is somewhat stricter in its implementation of POSIX than bash (it's main focus is to be lighter than bash so as to allow quicker booting). POSIX declares that the source command should check the path when given a filename without path components. Bash relaxes this somewhat by also checking the current directory. Dash DOESN'T do this. That is, assuming somefile.sh is in the current directory, source somefile.sh will work in bash, but not dash. To fix this bashism, use source ./somefile.sh. I just did a grep source * from the /etc/cron.daily directory to figure out what file is causing me the problems. But, it came back empty. How would I figure out where that source file is to fix it? The e-mail is my daily cron.daily cron job e-mail that is giving me the error. Thanks, Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/bsm018plvn9tiu7mistfai86u57abv7...@4ax.com
Re: server monitoring
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:10:55PM +0200, Stanis??aw Findeisen wrote: Hi What tools would you recommend for monitoring the following on a server? : * kernel + process images in memory PCP can be configured to collect a large number of system level performance and network metrics, and has a GUI (kmchart) for viewing realtime and archive data. To try out, use apt to install pcp and kmchart, start up kmchart with File-New Chart, choose metrics and start graphing. Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120519231037.ga30...@hutch.home.lan
Re: set nameserver on boot in /etc/network/interfaces
i could not find documentation about which package to enable setting nameserver ip (dns client) upon boot from /etc/network/interfaces can anyone point me to the right direction? I set a local nameserver in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (provided by the dhcp3-client package): $ grep prepend /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; $ dpkg -S /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf dhcp3-client: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120329210834.ga23...@wsjewing.yarra.acx
Re: egrep oddity
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 16:03:45 -0500 Neal Murphy neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu wrote: For quite some time now, I've been getting peeved with egrep not doing what it should. I have Squeese installed and up-to-date. In an xterm running bash or on a console running bash or dash, this command: ls -C1 | egrep ^[A-Z] returns all lines except those beginning with 'a'. Even the following commands exhibit similar behavior: alias|sed -e 's/^a/b/'|egrep ^[A-Z] # passes sed's output untouched alias|sed -e 's/^a/A/'|egrep ^[A-Z] # passes sed's output untouched These commands behave the same way on another Squeeze installation at another location. Also, 'grep -E' behaves the same way. The commands behave as expected on a different GNU/Linux system. Does anyone else see this behavior? Or do I need to clean my pipe and smoke something better? Thanks, N Fails for me as well. Also, ^[B-Z] and ^[C-Z] fail in similar, but extended, ways. And grep fails in the same way as egrep. Try grep -P, though. This did what I expected. Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120205132105.68fcdda5@sqzxfce.localdomain
Is there a separate Debian PowerPC list?
Hi, Folks -- Along with my normal 'work' computer, I've also installed Debian on my old iBook laptop (PowerPC) where some different problems apply. Is there a separate list for Debian on PowerPC or is this the one for that? (I checked the listing of mail lists at Debian, didn't see a separate one there.) -- -- Jeff -- http://www.wellnow.com There's nothing left in the world to prove. All that's worth doing is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120106092906.gh2...@saphira.wellnow.com
[Cleared up] Wheezy update wrecks MC graphics?
On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 04:36:39PM -0500, Jeff Gordon wrote: On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 02:43:05PM +0100, godo wrote: Thanks, Goran. I don't know how to explain it -- my MC has been fine for a long time, then suddenly this change. (?) In /usr/share/mc/skins/ are MC skins. In attachment is default skin try to change it. Is it your skin same or you have some other weird symbols? Thanks again. :-) My default.ini is the same -- but I'm seeing weird symbols, in my copy and in yours, which probably means something's change in how my console is displaying these things rather than a change to MC itself: lefttop= looks like a trumpet turned sideways righttop= lower-case letter I with a mark over it centertop=─ (compressed equals sign with vertical line through it) centerbottom=─ (same as cerntertop) leftbottom=└ (a dash, not a corner) rightbottom= lower-case letter Y with a mark over it leftmiddle=├ (looks like a superscript L, or lower-left corner) rightmiddle= lower-case letter A with a mark over it centermiddle= solid rectangle horiz=─ (same as centertop) vert= lower-case letter A with a mark over it thinhoriz=─ (same as centertop) thinvert= lower-case letter A with a mark over it No idea what it was all about, but this problem cleared up with the next update run. Go figure. :-) -- -- Jeff -- http://www.wellnow.com There's nothing left in the world to prove. All that's worth doing is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120106092652.gg2...@saphira.wellnow.com
Re: samsung galaxy tab
On my galaxy s2, I use: Settings- Wireless and Network- USB utilities - Connect Storage to PC then plug the micro USB cable in and press Connect USB storage. Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120106045514.ga21...@wsjewing.yarra.acx
Re: Wheezy update wrecks MC graphics?
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:47:26AM +0100, godo wrote: On 2011-12-30 23:01, Jeff Gordon wrote: Hi, Folks -- A recent wheezy update has caused Midnight Commander screens to have those garbled characters instead of drawn lines. I'm aware I can use mc -a and mcedit -a as a workaround, but it would be nice to have the proper lines restored. Anybody know what recent update would have produced this and/or what I can do to restore peace to Midnight Commander...? Thanks kindly, Hi, I'm not using MC very often so maybe I didn't notice changes but my MC (on daily updated Wheezy) have straight border lines. http://dobosevic.com/nix/mc.png -- Bye, Goran Dobosevic Hrvatski: www.dobosevic.com English: www.dobosevic.com/en/ Registered Linux User #503414 Thanks, Goran. I don't know how to explain it -- my MC has been fine for a long time, then suddenly this change. (?) -- -- Jeff -- http://www.wellnow.com There's nothing left in the world to prove. All that's worth doing is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120101082340.gb4...@saphira.wellnow.com
Re: Wheezy update wrecks MC graphics?
On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 02:43:05PM +0100, godo wrote: Thanks, Goran. I don't know how to explain it -- my MC has been fine for a long time, then suddenly this change. (?) In /usr/share/mc/skins/ are MC skins. In attachment is default skin try to change it. Is it your skin same or you have some other weird symbols? Thanks again. :-) My default.ini is the same -- but I'm seeing weird symbols, in my copy and in yours, which probably means something's change in how my console is displaying these things rather than a change to MC itself: lefttop= looks like a trumpet turned sideways righttop= lower-case letter I with a mark over it centertop=─ (compressed equals sign with vertical line through it) centerbottom=─ (same as cerntertop) leftbottom=└ (a dash, not a corner) rightbottom= lower-case letter Y with a mark over it leftmiddle=├ (looks like a superscript L, or lower-left corner) rightmiddle= lower-case letter A with a mark over it centermiddle= solid rectangle horiz=─ (same as centertop) vert= lower-case letter A with a mark over it thinhoriz=─ (same as centertop) thinvert= lower-case letter A with a mark over it -- -- Jeff -- http://www.wellnow.com There's nothing left in the world to prove. All that's worth doing is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120101213638.gd4...@saphira.wellnow.com
Wheezy update wrecks MC graphics?
Hi, Folks -- A recent wheezy update has caused Midnight Commander screens to have those garbled characters instead of drawn lines. I'm aware I can use mc -a and mcedit -a as a workaround, but it would be nice to have the proper lines restored. Anybody know what recent update would have produced this and/or what I can do to restore peace to Midnight Commander...? Thanks kindly, -- -- Jeff -- http://www.wellnow.com There's nothing left in the world to prove. All that's worth doing is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111230220157.ga14...@saphira.wellnow.com
[SOLVED] (argh) Could not perform immediate configuration
On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 07:11:40PM -0500, Jeff Gordon wrote: Hi, Folks -- I decided to go ahead and try upgrading to Wheezy on this laptop (Acer Aspire 5250, gift for my sister) to see if any of the three previously mentioned problems might clear. Now I'm stuck at Could not perform immediate configuation on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. I've gone through the man page twice and checked the example configurations, where it says Do not set this to 'false', see man page and have no idea how to get past this blockage -- 'purge' wants to remove half the system, apt-get -f only returns the same error message, etc. Any helpful suggestions would be appreciated. Solved, thanks to kindly user Karl Fogel who wrote me off-list. This procedure is what did it: apt-get update apt-get install gnome apt-get -f install (had to do that about three times before full success) apt-get -f dist-upgrade This got me past the 'libgstreamer' problem and on to full upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, which I was doing in hopes it might help with other problems I'd been having (black screen on Resume, squashed images on display, and unable to transfer more than 32k). This upgrade _did_ immediately solve the squashed images problem -- Gnome's System Settings now offers sensible resolution choices for the size of the laptop's screen (15.4 inches wide). -- -- Jeff -- http://www.wellnow.com There's nothing left in the world to prove. All that's worth doing is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111210085035.gd2...@saphira.wellnow.com
[SOLVED] Squeeze on 15 laptop, change aspect ratio?
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 02:55:37PM +0100, Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: Hi, Folks -- I'm setting up a laptop as a Christmas gift for my sister; it's an Acer Aspire 5250 with Radeon HD 6310. Netinstall of Squeeze went smoothly enough, but the aspect ratio seems wrong (too wide; kinda squashed). Gnome and Xorg are offering only resolutions of 1024x768 and 800x600. Both have this ratio, such that items I know should appear round appear as ovals instead. [snip] Hi Jeff, You can set your screen resolution using xrandr. You can easily find several howtos; after a quick search I found an ubuntu thread [1] and a ubuntu wiki page [2] that seemed appropriate to me (though I did not check extensively, I post them just to give you an idea). Just remember that those change will not survive a reboot, but you can automate the execution on every boot. The link I posted should explain this, too: for instance, you can paste them in /etc/gdm3/Init/Default. Hope this helps, Lorenzo [1] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1474910 [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding%20undetected%20resolutions Problem pretty much resolved itself with upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy. As soon as that was successfully done, Gnome's 'System Settings' presented a range of choices for the screen's dimensions, some 4:3, some 16:9, even one 3:2, all labeled as such. :-) -- -- Jeff -- http://www.wellnow.com There's nothing left in the world to prove. All that's worth doing is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111210085646.ge2...@saphira.wellnow.com
[SOLVED] Squeeze, Radeon HD 6310, black screen on Resume
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 04:15:30AM -0500, Jeff Gordon wrote: Hi, Folks -- I'm installing Squeeze on an Acer Aspire 5250 with Radeon HD 6310 as a Christmas gift for my sister. All went well during install but I get nothing but a black screen on Resume from Suspend. Even Power Off and Power On again doesn't clear it -- I've had to remove the battery each time to get back to 'normal'. The kernel is 2.6.32-5-amd64. I've searched the 'Net extensively on this and tried a variety of tips but nothing so far has worked -- have set 'radeon modeset=0' as advised by one person, for example, but nothing seemed to change. I expect there might be a specific 'quirk' that could be set for this card but I haven't yet found any info that seems applicable. I gather this problem is fixed in the 2.6.35 kernel but haven't found one at Debian, and don't want to move all the way up to the 3.1 kernel. Having encountered additional problems with Debian on this laptop, I bit the bullet and went ahead with an upgrade to Wheezy. The path to that wasn't entirely smooth -- the first thing that happened was a completely scrambled image, both console and desktop, with the 3.1 kernel. It was fortunate I still had the 2.32 kernel installed -- but the point is, after successfully upgrading, and _then_ installing firmware-linux-nonfree, Resume after Sleep/Suspend is now working the way it ought to. :-) -- -- Jeff -- http://www.wellnow.com There's nothing left in the world to prove. All that's worth doing is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111210090455.gf2...@saphira.wellnow.com
[SOLVED] Squeeze on Acer Aspire 5250, won't transfer files
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 02:10:20AM -0500, Jeff Gordon wrote: Hi, Folks -- I'd been asked to attach Xorg.0.log for another problem and ran into this one. This Acer Aspire 5250 with Squeeze AMD64 sends only a small portion of a file, and then the connection locks up, goes dormant. This happened multiple times as I tried to send the log file as an attachment to two different netmail locations, also happened when I tried to send by way of copy-and-paste into the body of the netmail e-mail. Similar result when I tried to scp the file to myself on my local (home) network -- 32k was transferred and then nothing further, scp just hanging, waiting. What do you think -- packet loss? port blocking? funky network interface in the laptop (though, it worked well enough during netinstall)...? This problem cleared up with successful upgrade to Wheezy _and_ with installation of firmware-linux-nonfree. :-) -- -- Jeff -- http://www.wellnow.com There's nothing left in the world to prove. All that's worth doing is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111210204022.gg2...@saphira.wellnow.com
Re: (argh) Could not perform immediate configuration
Hi, Stephen -- Thanks. :-) Half those hits appear to be my own message -- sometimes I think Google must be watching over our shoulders. :-) Others don't seem to have a solution, but it looks like this is a prematurely closed Bug, known about back in October -- #645713. -- Jeff -- On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 09:55:27PM -0500, Stephen Allen wrote: On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 07:11:40PM -0500, Jeff Gordon wrote: Hi, Folks -- I decided to go ahead and try upgrading to Wheezy on this laptop (Acer Aspire 5250, gift for my sister) to see if any of the three previously mentioned problems might clear. Now I'm stuck at Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. I've gone through the man page twice and checked the example configurations, where it says Do not set this to 'false', see man page and have no idea how to get past this blockage -- 'purge' wants to remove half the system, apt-get -f only returns the same error message, etc. Any helpful suggestions would be appreciated. Sorry in a rush right now but lots of Google hits; http://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instantie=UTF-8ion=1nord=1#sclient=psy-abhl=ennord=1site=webhpsource=hpq=%22Could%20not%20perform%20immediateconfiguation%20on%20'libgstreamer0.10-0pbx=1oq=aq=aqi=aql=gs_sm=gs_upl=fp=99f267389e3105afion=1ion=1bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osbfp=99f267389e3105afbiw=1024bih=654ion=1 Probably find something helpful among them. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111208025527.ga4...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net -- -- Jeff -- http://www.wellnow.com There's nothing left in the world to prove. All that's worth doing is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111208085628.gk2...@saphira.wellnow.com
Re: Re: no sound with flash videos....
Hi, Xunhua -- Some possibilities: If you've got alsa installed, and pulseaudio just came in with the upgrade, they may be fighting for control of the audio. That has killed sound for me more than once. My solution is to remove or disable pulseaudio; someone else might approach it differently. Also, I don't know what led up to it, but on one occasion all that was needed was to reinitialize alsa. I think alsactl init was the command I used on that occasion. -- Jeff -- On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 12:21:21PM +0800, Guo, Xunhua wrote: Same problem here. It worked some time ago. But after some upgrading the sound for flash was gone. Really weird. -- Xunhua -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ee18cc1.9000...@gmail.com -- -- Jeff -- http://www.wellnow.com There's nothing left in the world to prove. All that's worth doing is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111209074523.gq2...@saphira.wellnow.com
