Re: pdf tool to stitch 2 pages together side by side
T o n g: Further onto the thread stitching together 2 pdf files, of all the tools mentioned, which one do you think (no guess please) can stitch 2 pages together side by side from the same pdf file. I.e., think of doing the 2-up printing (onto the paper), that's the effect that I want to achieve. pdfnup from the package pdfjam can do this. J. -- I want to keep my skin looking good but I believe all computers do the same job. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: vimdiff
shawn wilson: could someone please tell me how i'm messing up? i know they didn't remove vimdiff from debian stable: \h:\w\$ vimdiff This Vim was not compiled with the diff feature. There are several vim packages with different features compiled in. Try running 'dpkg -l vim\*' to see which one you have installed. I prefer vim-nox on headless servers. BTW: your prompt looks weird. :) J. -- When you put a gun to my head you aren't fooling anyone. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: clamav 0.97.1 not coming to squeeze-updates ?
D G Teed: It is finicky. I played with various repo sources and once did see clamav package group appear as possible. I said 'n' to abort because I wanted to understand exactly where the package was coming from. You can use 'apt-cache policy $package' to see which source apt chooses for a given package. J. -- I am worried that my dreams pale in comparison beside TV docu-soaps. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: cloning a lvm crypto volume to a bigger disk
Colin: Wow ... now I have a lot to do :-) Hey, it's only about seven comands, plus some file editing. :) Don't let my lengthy explanations scare you from doing it that way. It's a great feeling to shuffle an OS around under your butt while it's running! Just glancing through I'm thinking if I even need LVM. It was done automatically by the installer. Retrospectively, I hope I had started using LVM sooner. It makes many things really easy and it allows for some things that aren't even possible using traditional DOS partitioning. I guess if I didn't have it I would need a separate dm-crypt and LUKS partition for each of /, /home and swap which in turn would mean 3 separate keys + passwords. Yes. You could get away with only one passphrase if you put key files for the other filesystems on that one. J. -- Television advertisements are the apothesis of twentieth century culture. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: cloning a lvm crypto volume to a bigger disk
Colin: I want to move the crypto volume to new disk so I can use it and boot from the new. Thanks for the information. Now I know what your setup looks like. I am still a bit unsure about your exact partition layout, because I didn't ask for that either, but AFAICS you have at least this: - /boot is somewhere on sda, I suppose sda1. - sda5 is an extended partition. - sda5 is encrypted using dm-crypt and LUKS. The decrypted mapping of sda5 is called sda5_crypt. - sda5_crypt is used as physical volume for LVM. - There is one volume group laptop om sda5_crypt which hosts three logical volumes: - /home - / - swap Are there any other partitions besides sda1 und sda5? The old disk with the old crypto will be recycled to another machine. Ok, that makes the whole thing a little bit trickier, because we need to move /boot and the MBR as well. $ pvs PV VG Fmt Attr PSize PFree /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt laptop lvm2 a- 465.52g0 ^^^ Didn't you say your old disk only has 160GB? Is sda actually the new disk? Anyway, to get you started, the process is roughly as follows. I am assuming sda is your old disk and sdb is the new one. If anything isn't clear, feel free to ask. Preparation of the new disk: = - partition it - format the boot-fs - Initialize dm-crypt - Initialize LVM I assume you know how to do the first two steps. Setting up dm-crypt is easy, too. If sdb2 is the newly created partition you want to encrypt: # cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdb2 This will ask for a passphrase that is used for encryption. You can then unlock the encrypted partition like this: # cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb2 sdb2_decrypted sdb2_decrypted is a name you can choose freely. It plays the same role as sda5_crypt in your current setup. Of course, you need to enter your passphrase again. Afterwards you should have a device node /dev/mapper/sdb2_decrypted which you can treat like any other block device. As you want to use it for LVM, you need to format it first: # pvcreate /dev/mapper/sdb2_decrypted Moving data: = - /boot - LVM /boot is easy, because you just need to copy the data from the old filesystem to the new one. Again, I am assuming you know how to do that. In order to cleanly migrate your LVM volumes to the new disk, proceed as follows: # vgextend laptop /dev/mapper/sdb2_decrypted This will put your new encrypted partition into the existing volume group, which, up to now, only containted your old disk. You can now tell LVM to move everything on sda5_crypt somewhere else: # pvmove -i 60 /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt The argument '-i 60' will make pvmove report prograss every 60 seconds. Beware that this is a very time consuming operation, because pvmove will move all LVs (including unused space!) to the other disk. Additionally, all data has to be decrypted when read from the old disk and encrypted again when written to the new disk. It might be faster to move the data on filessystem level (using tar, rsync, cp etc.), but you would have to create a new VG, LVs and adjust a few config files accordingly. And you would probably need to do that in single-user mode or using a rescue disc. The nice thing about pvmove is that your filesystems (including their UUIDs) and device names don't change at all and that you can use it without rebooting. Another option to speed things up is might be to resize your filesystems and LVs before pvmoving. It isn't possible to shrink ext[234] filesystems when they are mounted, though, so you would have to resort to a rescue disc again. After moving the LVs off of sda5_crypt, you can remove the device from the volume group: # vgreduce laptop /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt Please understand that your data is now only retrievable from the new disk (except for /boot, if you didn't erase it). Afterwards === - /etc/fstab - /etc/crypttab - grub config + MBR Before rebooting, make sure to tweak your configuration files where necessary. Create backups of all files you edit. Your /boot filesystem has been newly created, so you have to change its UUID in /etc/fstab. You can use the command blkid to find out the new UUID. You need to do the same for /etc/crypttab. The mapping name 'sda5_crypt' doesn't matter much in your case, because the system will find your LVs regardless of the PV's name. The most critical part is grub configuration. I am assuming you are using the new grub, as opposed to grub-legacy. You probably need to tweak its configuration, too, because your /boot's UUID changed. But I am currently unable to tell you how to do that. I am even unsure whether grub's root= parameter need the UUID of the root filesystem or of the /boot filesystem, but you can check that by looking into /boot/grub/grub.cfg and comparing with the UUIDs from blkid. Maybe simply running update-grub magically works it out if you change /etc/fstab and
Re: bash script fails in squeeze
Bonno Bloksma: This bash script has been doing it's job for the past few years but suddenly stopped working in squeeze. Each part seems to work but the complete script does not. :-( I must admit that I am not really inclined to try to understand what your scripts should do and and why they do what they do instead. But one advice: debugging shell scripts is made *a lot* easier when using 'set -x' in the script. J. -- I am not scared of death but terrified of people in Tommy Hilfiger sweatshirts. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: cloning a lvm crypto volume to a bigger disk
Colin: So I have this machine with a lvm crypto volume done with a debian testing install. This is on a disk with 160GB. But now I would like to clone it to a new disk: 500GB. What are my options? What's the order of the block layers? - LVM on top of dm-crypt on top of raw device, or - dm-crypt on top of LVM on top of raw device Either way, you can extend your VG with the new disk, pvmove everything from the old disk and then vgreduce the VG by the old disk. If you need more specific help, please post your setup (etc/fstab, /etc/crypttab, ls -l /dev/mapper/). J. -- As a child I pulled the legs from a spider. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: cloning a lvm crypto volume to a bigger disk
Colin: I don't remember the specifics when I did the install but here's what I got: Thanks. Now please add the output of 'pvs', 'lvs'. And just to make sure: you only want to move the encrypted volume to the new disk and keep the old one? J. -- I use a Playstation to block out the existence of my partner. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: cloning a lvm crypto volume to a bigger disk
Jochen Schulz: Colin: I don't remember the specifics when I did the install but here's what I got: Thanks. Now please add the output of 'pvs', 'lvs'. Erm, that probably sounded rude. What I forgot to add is that I should have asked for this information in the first place. Sorry! J. -- All participation is a myth. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
security support for lenny / upgrades from lenny to wheezy (was: How to get the stable iso for lenny)
Steve McIntyre: We will cease support for Lenny early next year, Funny that you mention it. We just yesterday discussed whether this news item is still relevant today: / http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 | Since Debian's last release happened on Feb. 14th 2009, there will | only be approximately a one year period until its next release, | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 (codenamed Squeeze). This will be a one-time | exception to the two-year policy in order to get into the new time | schedule. To accommodate the needs of larger organisations and other | users with a long upgrade process, the Debian project commits to | provide the possibility to skip the upcoming release and do a | skip-upgrade straight from Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 (Lenny) to Debian | GNU/Linux 7.0 (not yet codenamed). I argued that upgrading from 5.0 to 7.0 will not actually be supported (and hence, lenny will not be supported for longer than one year after squeeze release) because 6.0 wasn't released ahead of time. Did I get things right? J. -- When standing at the top of beachy head I find the rocks below very attractive. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: security support for lenny / upgrades from lenny to wheezy (was: How to get the stable iso for lenny)
Steve McIntyre: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 04:13:28PM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote: I argued that upgrading from 5.0 to 7.0 will not actually be supported (and hence, lenny will not be supported for longer than one year after squeeze release) because 6.0 wasn't released ahead of time. Did I get things right? I believe so, yes. There isn't a need for supporting the skip-upgrade. That's not to say that it *won't* work, but it's not something we are going to commit to. It might be a good idea to clarify this publicly. Is there a meta package to which I may report this bug? :) J. -- I feel yawning hollowness whilst talking to people at parties. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian safe-upgrade to 6.0.2 - don't run within X session
D G Teed: I wonder if my previous problem was triggered by the time of day as it was just around midnight. I noticed this in the aptitude output: Setting up gdm3 (2.30.5-6squeeze3) ... Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdm3. That only means that gdm3 will restart after the last user has logged out. What you are seeing is the solution to the problem you think you have seen. J. -- I lust after strangers but only date people from the office. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: clamav 0.97.1 not coming to squeeze-updates ?
Camaleón: On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 00:07:23 +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote: NACK. Security support for stable releases ends one year after stable+1: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan Lenny will reach its EOL in January 2012. Hey, but that was not my understanding for lenny. I know that was how it used to be but now aren't we based on a 2-year of release fixed cycle? :-? http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 In that announcement it can be read: (...) Since Debian's last release happened on Feb. 14th 2009, there will only be approximately a one year period until its next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 (codenamed Squeeze). This will be a one-time exception to the two-year policy in order to get into the new time schedule. To accommodate the needs of larger organisations and other users with a long upgrade process, the Debian project commits to provide the possibility to skip the upcoming release and do a skip-upgrade straight from Debian GNU/ Linux 5.0 (Lenny) to Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (not yet codenamed). Interesting, I don't remember that at all. I can only speculate about this, but I don't think this announcement is relevant any more. The document is from July 2009 and predicted/promised a squeeze release in early 2010. For that case only the authors promised that you could skip the squeeze release. What actually happened is that it took another whole year to release squeeze. I understand this is not the norm, but an exception for lenny in order to accomodate to the new development cycle. … which didn't happen. J. -- In the west we kill people like chickens. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: clamav 0.97.1 not coming to squeeze-updates ?
Camaleón: I prefer installing from scratch, in-site upgrades is something I avoid as much as I can :-) Forget your experiences with SuSE. This is Debian. :) (Disclaimer: I am still running one lenny system as well, but that's mostly because I need to prod my hosting provider to install a new kernel first. It's a Xen DomU.) J. -- If nightclub doormen recognised me I would be more fulfilled. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian safe-upgrade to 6.0.2 - don't run within X session
Scott Ferguson: On 28/06/11 00:54, Jochen Schulz wrote: No, dist-upgrades aren't different. If you believe that then file a bug report. ref: man apt-get Apparently we are talking at cross-purposes, but your quote doesn't refute my claim: apt-get's upgrade and dist-upgrade only differ in dependency resolution. The upgrade process *of individual packages* is always the same. eg. if package a-0.0 is to be replaced with a-0.1 it'll be an upgrade. if package a-0.0 is deprecated and it's function is being replaced with b-0.0 it'll be a dist-upgrade. There is a difference. True. And I can imagine that in very few cases that leads to experiences like the OP's. But I wouldn't attribute that to apt-get's mode of operation. If a postinst script demands a restart of the login manager, it does so regardless of how apt was called. The mechanism for installing packages has no bearing on the severity of changes made by the process (the likely hood of disruption to core services). That's exactly what I wanted to point out. upgrade is mild, dist-upgrade can be radical. In theory (apt-get) upgrade should make only minor disruptions. I don't think this distinction is helpful. You can have two systems with a different set of packages installed, one needs a dist-upgrade for a-0.1 to be installed, another one just needs a simple upgrade. That doesn't mean people should make a habit of regularly using dist-upgrades. That only leads to questions like Why did apt-get remove my whole desktop!?. From a (sid) user's point of view, the main difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that an upgrade doesn't require as much attention as a dist-upgrade. On my sid laptop, I run update upgrade once or twice a day, and the only thing I actually look at is whether the upgrade contains packages I care about and most of the time I skim over the output to spot errors. J. -- I am no longer prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: I have big problem choose corect distribution Debian
Jozef Dunajčan: I want Debian only command promt without grafics(X, window). Please help me choose Debian distribution. I have industrial computer: HDD: IDE 2GB CPU: 486 66MHz RAM: 64MB The installer for i386 should work: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ But keep in mind that a machine like yours is at the low end of the supported spectrum: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en Depending on what you want to use the machine for, you may be better off using something like Damn Small Linux or even OpenWrt. When using Debian, you will have to tweak the system quite a bit to ensure it runs as fast as possible. J. -- I start many things but I have yet to finish a single one. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: I have big problem choose corect distribution Debian
lee: Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de writes: Depending on what you want to use the machine for, you may be better off using something like Damn Small Linux or even OpenWrt. When using Debian, you will have to tweak the system quite a bit to ensure it runs as fast as possible. Would starting with a minimal installation and adding only the needed packages later require much tweaking? I knew someone would ask that question. :) Ok, I'll bite. I'll try it using qemu. Wait a minute … The system is already swapping while d-i is running. :) And installation takes ages, even on a Core2Duo core at 2.4GHz and an Intel SSD. I didn't install any tasks, not even the Standard system utilities. Result: installation size of 384MB and only 8MB of RAM in use! That's a lot less than I expected. Nevertheless, one should probably at least disable the installation of Recommends and you have to be very picky about packages to install. I wouldn't even run Apache on such a machine. Total RAM usage after Apache installation: 13MB. Lighttpd uses 2MB less, dhttpd uses only one additional MB. Running aptitude in TUI mode (without any webserver running) makes the system use 23MB. Vim-tiny uses 1MB. Heck, even top needs about 1MB! I still think it may be worthwhile to check out alternatives to Debian that use slimmer libraries and less dependencies. My access point (OpenWrt) runs from 8MB flash and offers an httpd, dropbear (an SSH server), pppoe and dnsmasq with only 14 processes running. J. -- There is no justice in road accidents. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: clamav 0.97.1 not coming to squeeze-updates ?
Camaleón: I will try to keep lenny until reaches its end of life, which should happen when wheezy comes out. NACK. Security support for stable releases ends one year after stable+1: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan Lenny will reach its EOL in January 2012. Now I feel old. I feel old because squeeze is the fifth Debian release I have used. 8-) J. -- When I am doing sex I wonder if my emotions can be detected by alien civilisations. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian safe-upgrade to 6.0.2 - don't run within X session
Scott Ferguson: I've never had a desktop (KDE) session crash from an upgrade, dist-upgrades are different. No, dist-upgrades aren't different. The only difference between aptitude's safe-upgrade and full-upgrade is that they use different algorithms for dependency resolution. The upgrade process itself (unpacking, pre-/post-install scripts etc.) is exactly the same in both cases. The same holds true for apt-get's upgrade and dist-upgrade. J. -- If I could travel through time I would go back to yesterday and apologise. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Almost everyday a new issue: this time Amarok
AG: What on earth is going on here? Applications don't install correctly, or they crash when opened? Welcome to testing! :) What have I done wrong on this, why would an ordinary safe-update of Amarok crash? Your question appears to imply that the word safe in safe-ugrade gives any guarantee about the quality of the upgrades. This is not the case. Yet another issue, and I really don't know what the heck to do about this ... Report it to the BTS. J. -- I want to keep my skin looking good but I believe all computers do the same job. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: is debian on 7 dvds waqar from pakistan
Waqar Ali: Waqar ali from pakistan. little confusion about downloading iso image of debian i386. tell me is debian on 7 dvds kindly tell me how to download debian on 1 dvd waiting for your quick response You only need to download all DVDs if you actually need the complete set of programs for some reason. But it is very unlikely that this is the case. You only need one medium (1st CD/DVD or the netinst CD image) to install Debian. If you don't have a network connection during installation, download the first DVD. That should contain all the things necessary to get you started. If you have (fast) network, you can get away with downloading the netinst image (only ~150MB) and the installer will download everything it needs during installation. J. -- It is not in my power to change anything. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: /etc/hosts in debian resets itself on reboot
Tapas Mishra: I've been having a problem where when our vps provider decides to restart the server (running Debian 5.0.8), the server fails to remember changes to /etc/hosts. All I need is an database alias that is used for the webapps on the server which points to 127.0.0.1 localhost. I don't know what keeps overwriting your file, but I assume it actually just re-writes a single line for localhost. Try adding a new line pointing to database like this and see if that persists: 127.0.0.1 database J. -- At night I go to the kitchen; specifically, the knife drawer. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: After the Libc6 Fiasco
David Baron: Luckily, using the live-CD, I was able to download and re-install the testing packages for libc6 and friends and finally get my system working again. What problem are you referring to? The breakage from the missing symlinks on amd64? That issue has been fixed some weeks ago. OK: 1. Unstable can sometimes get broken. I accept that. 2. However, libc6 stuff is so critical that any upgrade posted must be installable and operational. Some folks might not recover. Then they shouldn't run unstable. :) Since the current packages only partially installed last attempt, I am afraid to upgrade any of this now. What is the status in reality? Works for me (on amd64). What's your specific problem? Which version are you on, which do you try to install and how does it fail? J. -- I am getting worse rather than better. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how to get to runlevel 3
Mark Panen: why is X running at runlevel 2 and not 5? As Dave said: in Debian, there's no difference between runlevels 2-5. J. -- Thy lyrics in pop songs seem to describe my life uncannily accurately. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Gnome desktop settings borked on testing after reboot
AG: These are some of the issues: 1. Windows manager is unknown and no configuration tool is registered 2. windows are launched at the top of the screen I cannot drag these elsewhere 3. clicking a mouse on a window does not bring it to the fore 4. there are no longer multiple workspaces 5. windows do not have the 'x' in the corner to close, nor any option to minimise/ enlarge I am afraid to state the obvious after so many replies in this thread, but apparently your window manager isn't running. I would open a terminal and try running metacity from there. If it crashes for some reason, you at least have a change to spot a helpful error message in the terminal. BTW, did you take a look at ~/.xsession-errors? J. -- I am no longer prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: floppy drive in debian stable
[CC'ed as per request] Charlie Derr: mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist Your friend probably needs to load the 'floppy' module manually. To make the system auto-load it on boot, just add a line containing 'floppy' to /etc/modules. J. -- After the millenium I will shoot to kill. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: clone LVM disk to a larger disk
Peter Beck: Now I've got a 1TB disk which I would like to use instead of the 160GB disk. My question: Can I just clone the small disk to the new large disk and then resize the LV on it ? Does that work ? I would say yes, but I've never done that, so I am not sure... ;) What I would probably do is: - install new disk alongside the old one - put one big partition on the new disk and pvcreate the partition - vgextend the existing VG with the new partition - vgreduce the VG, removing the old disk's partitions That should be just as fast as dd'ing the old filesystems and can be done without downtime. You don't need to resize any existing partitions, but you can of course grow the LVs and the filesystems afterwards, if you want to take advantage of the additional space. J. -- All participation is a myth. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: clone LVM disk to a larger disk
Gilles Mocellin: On dim. 05 juin 2011 16:51:26 CEST, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: What I would probably do is: - install new disk alongside the old one - put one big partition on the new disk and pvcreate the partition - vgextend the existing VG with the new partition - vgreduce the VG, removing the old disk's partitions You certainly forget a pvmove of the partitions between vgextend and vgreduce. Whoops! :) Leaving it out makes the process much faster, though. You just don't get to keep your data. In my defence, vgreduce doesn't work for PVs still in use. J. -- My clothes aren't just fashion. They're a lifestyle. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: clone LVM disk to a larger disk
Peter Beck: On 06/05/2011 04:51 PM, Jochen Schulz wrote: What I would probably do is: - install new disk alongside the old one - put one big partition on the new disk and pvcreate the partition - vgextend the existing VG with the new partition - vgreduce the VG, removing the old disk's partitions That should be just as fast as dd'ing the old filesystems and can be done without downtime. You don't need to resize any existing partitions, but you can of course grow the LVs and the filesystems afterwards, if you want to take advantage of the additional space. and this will also work when the operating system is running on this lvm ? Yes, if you add the pvmove step that I forgot to mention. Just expect a (heavy) drop in IO performance as both the new and the old disk are very busy during the move. If you also have filesystems on non-LVM devices, you have to take care of them by other means. If you boot from the disk, don't forget to grub-install. J. -- Quite often I wonder why I am not more famous and/or more wealthy. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: consolekit makes trouble
Hello list, […] I saved my package list by dpkg --get-selections package.txt, and after the fresh installation, I could reinstall them again. I did this with the command: apt-get install $(cut -f1 package.txt), which worked fine. Just as a side note: This procedure has the probably unwanted side effect that all previsously installed packages are now marked as manually installed. You could have used something like aptitude search '~i!~M' in order to generate a list of only the packages you had installed manually. J. -- I often play sports / do exercise. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: IndexError: list index out of range
lina: when I tried AutoDockTools, which showed me something like IndexError: list index out of range Is it something relevant to driver or Pmv or ? It's a programming error in the application. Either a real bug or only missing error handling. J. -- If I was Mark Chapman I would have shot John Lennon with a water pistol. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Problem with the global weigh of several files
Gorka:
I am looking for the best way of appending commands to obtain the global
amount of Mb of the modified files of my PC.
Something like this:
find ./ -mtime -7 | du -Sch
In bytes:
find ./ -mtime -7 -ls | awk 'BEGIN { s=0 } { s+=$7 } END { print s } '
You can use 'print s/1024' in order to get kiB and so on.
J.
--
If I was Mark Chapman I would have shot John Lennon with a water pistol.
[Agree] [Disagree]
http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html
signature.asc
Description: Digital signature
Re: Tracing Filesystem Accesses
Bob McConnell: Before we go any further, lets get a couple of things sorted out. What type of SSD (Solid State Drive) are you all talking about here? If it contains Flash memory, What else do you have in mind? then yes, there is a limit to the number of ERASE cycles each sector can do. How long they last depends on a number of factors, not the least of which is how old the chips are. The first generations of flash memory chips could only be erased about 10,000 times before they started to fail. Current generation (consumer-grade) MLC SSDs using 25nm technology use flash that can only be rewritten 3000 times. Assuming perfect wear levelling, that's still enough for most desktop applications. 120GB*3000=360TB. That's still almost 100GB per day for ten years. Even if write amplification quintuples the amount of date written, that's still 20GB per day. My systems don't write that much. J. -- If I was a supermodel I would give all my cocaine to the socially excluded. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Boot problem after crashed update
I made a fresh install of debian squeeze just after its release and dutifully installed the updates suggested by the package manager whenever necessary. What's the content of your sources.list? 2) The only thing that worked was switching between x (ctrl+alt+f7) and the terminal (ctrl+alt+f1) but I couldn't log in to the terminal; instead I got some error messages about init (or initsomething - unfortunately I do not remember anymore) spawning to much and something (it wasn't being clear what) being delayed/suppressed for 5 minutes. The exact error message might have helped in identifying the issue. 4) When I booted the laptop at work, it crashed soon after grub, the rror message being: udevd[58]: error: runtime directory '/run/udev' not writable, for now falling back to '/dev/.udev' That looks like you are actually running testing or unstable. A similar issue has hit my sid machein recently. Descriptions of the problem and solutions have been discussed here. run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory Ouch. Can you confirm that /sbin/init still exists on your root filesystem? You mentioned that you have another distro on the same machine, so you can use that to inspect the filesystem. I'd do an fsck, too. 7) I then tried to run the rescue system from the debian installation dvd: - Executing a shell in /dev/sda3 (my root) fails without any meaningful error message. If it doesn't mean anything to you, it still may mean something to us. :) J. -- Watching television is more hip than actually speaking to anyone. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Boot problem after crashed update
Simon Hoerder: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main contrib That line points to unstable, aka sid. Sid is the permanent alias for the unstable distribution, unlike the rolling aliases for testing and stable. Assuming Sven is correct: B) Am I correct that the easiest way to return to a stable installation is a reinstall? Since you still have a bootable operating system, you may try the hint at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626450#36. C) How can I prevent getting unstable packages into my system in the future? Don't add sid to your sources.list. :) And if you do: use pinning or set your default distribution in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/90local (man apt.conf, Default-Release). J. -- I enjoy shopping, eating, sex and doing jigsaw puzzles of idealised landscapes. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Boot problem after crashed update
Simon Hoerder: Is there an easy way to remove all unstable packages? No, at least no easy way I could come up with. You could use aptitude search to identify installed packages from unstable, remove them and reinstall them from squeeze. But since you apparently already have libc from unstable, that won't work. You could also try to forcibly downgrade these packages to their squeeze version, but that's unsupported and will probably result in quite a mess. Reinstalling is your safest bet. J. -- I am getting worse rather than better. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Boot problem after crashed update
Javier Barroso: So, why not, simply wait one month without upgrading, remove sid from your sources.list (and keep only wheezy), and then aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade ? Because the OP would still run some kind of more or less mixed wheezy/sid system even though he wants to run stable. BTW, thanks for this thread! I carelessly upgraded my sid system this morning without even noticing that it completely b0rked my system. :) Luckily, I had a flash drive with d-i handy and my system was up and running in a few minutes again. J. -- I think the environment will be okay. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Re: Does apt-get dist-upgrade upgrade the kernel?
KS: Surprisingly, dpkg does not show 2.6.38 whereas apt says that it exists! Dpkg doesn't know packages that were never installed. Apt does. J. -- I wish I had been aware enough to enjoy my time as a toddler. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?
George: On 5/6/11, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: If you only allowing key-based authentication and install security patches in a timely manner, the risk from running a public OpenSSH server is low. Expect brute-force attempts to login using weak passwords, though. If you only allow key logins, you can ignore that. What exactly is a key login? You can authenticate to an OpenSSH server using a password, or using a keyfile. On the client side, simply run 'ssh-keygen' to create a keypair. The computer that needs to be accessed is running Windows and I have installed WinSSHD on it. If your server was running linux, you would just need to add your public key (generated by ssh-keygen) to the ~/.ssh/authrized_keys file. I cannot help with WinSSHD. I see a DSA host key on its configuration screen, accompanied by an MD5 fingerprint. The SSH protocol allows for both server and client authentication. The host key is like an SSL certificate: it is there so that clients can make sure they are communicating to the server they think they do. When I connected to it from my Debian box I received the aforementioned fingerprint. Is this process the key login you're referring to? No, that's the host key, not the client key. I'm asking because in the configuration screen of WinSSHD there's also an indication of No RSA host key is currently employed. What is the difference between the two keys? That probably only means that your server has a host key for the DSA algorithm, but none for RSA. You don't need to care about that. J. -- I am getting worse rather than better. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?
George: On 5/6/11, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: You can authenticate to an OpenSSH server using a password, or using a keyfile. On the client side, simply run 'ssh-keygen' to create a keypair. So the attacker needs to guess my private key instead of my password. Exactly. How does that make his life more difficult, assuming my password was very strong? A keyfile is longer and contains more entropy. I doubt your is using a password with 1024 bits of entropy, let alone 2048 or 4096. Even for only 1024 bits of entropy you would need a passphrase of 128 characters to match a keyfile's strength. And that's only if you assume your password has an entropy of 8 bits per character, which probably isn't the case (see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_strength#Random_passwords and the table below that). If an attacker has access to your passphrase-protected private key file, security is of course reduced to your passphrase's strength, which puts you into almost the same situation as with a login without a keyfile. J. -- I spend money without thinking on products and clothes that I believe will enhance my social standing. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?
George: I have a computer at home that I'm doing some research on and I set up an SSH server on it so I can access it from other computers at home. I haven't opened up the network to the internet yet though, as I'm not confident enough that it is safe. If you only allowing key-based authentication and install security patches in a timely manner, the risk from running a public OpenSSH server is low. Expect brute-force attempts to login using weak passwords, though. If you only allow key logins, you can ignore that. What are the configuration steps that I will need to do on the server You probably need to configure a port forwarding on your router to port 22 on the server running OpenSSH. Additionally, you may want to use a service like dyndns.com so that you can connect to your machine using a stable hostname instead of a dynamically changing IP address. and the client to be able to work access the computer from my workplace? On a Windows system, I recommend using PuTTY. You don't need any special configuration. Be aware that using SSH from an untrusted host is a bad idea. If you don't trust your employer, don't put your private key file one of his systems and don't enter your passphrase either. J. -- I wish I was gay. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Need help setting up a home LAN
Paul E Condon: […] I can see good reasons for DHCP, but I have never understood how I could get my four Debian hosts to talk to each other under DHCP. I see some things that can be configured to have DHCP assign fixed IPs to certain devices based on their MAC address, but is that what needs to be done? Depends on your taste. I know someone who absolutely despises of the idea that the hosts in his local network have hostnames. He likes IP addresses better. :) I prefer to name my machines and using the names when SSHing etc. For the most part, I don't care about IP addresses at all. Your router should support this for DHCP clients with dynamically assigned addresses as long as the clients send their own hostname when requesting an IP address. Debian doesn't do this by default, which I suppose was your problem. To enable this feature, just edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and change the line that begins with send host-name. J. -- In the west we kill people like chickens. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: bash prompt \W (working dir) garbled
Jimmy Wu: $ PS1='\W ' ~ cd /home hmee cd /media meiia cd /boot Same here, on squeeze and sid (both amd64, just as yours). It's already reported as #589084. A link to a patch is included, in case you want to rebuild bash yourself. J. -- I worry about people thinking I have lost direction. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian Lenny archives location ?
Ravi Roy: This might be a stupid question becuase of my ignorance, in case it is, please excuse me. :) Debian 6.0 Squeeze is stabe and Lenny (last point rel. 5.0.8) is old stable. As per the posts I have come through so far, says that oldstable are moved to http://archive.debian.org (archives for oldstables). That is true, but oldstable is only archived one year after the relase of the current stable. That means you should find lenny sitting just beside squeeze on most mirrors. Your sources.list entries from before squeeze should still work until February 2012. J. -- I worry about people thinking I have lost direction. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?
sdc: My beginner question is, why doesn't Debian remove the proprietary software hosted on it's servers? Because Debian currently thinks keeping proprietary packages serves their users better than removing the offending packages. Officially, proprietary packages aren't part of Debian anyway because they do not enter main, only contrib or non-free. After installation, the user has to explicitly add contrib and non-free to her sources.list in order to install proprietary software. One could argue (which I suppose the FSF is doing) that the distinction between main and the rest is hypocritical, since Debian still distributes contrib and non-free. From my POV, Debian's current way to handle this issue is in fact serving their users best. (DFSG-)Free Software by default, but every user may choose her own lovel of unfreeness. Don't they want to follow the FSF word? In short: no. Debian follows the DFSG, the FSF follows its own rules. Although both parties have quite a lot in common wrt Free Software, Debian and the FSF have a long history of disagreement about smaller issues. To me, it's basically a potato / potahto issue. ;-) J. -- I frequently find myself at the top of the stairs with absolutely nothing happening in my brain. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?
Andrei Popescu: On Mi, 27 apr 11, 12:03:41, Jochen Schulz wrote: In short: no. Debian follows the DFSG, the FSF follows its own rules. ^^^ You probably meant the Social Contract here ;) I actually even wrote that but later on changed it to DFSG in order to be more specific about license issues. But Social Contract is probably more correct here, yes. J. -- If I was Mark Chapman I would have shot John Lennon with a water pistol. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Purchasing a wired switch; advice needed
Klistvud: And here's what I need advice for: I'm planning to purchase a wired (consumer grade) switch since I've heard they're inherently more robust than (consumer grade) routers, and I'm planning to connect it *directly* to our cable broadband modem. Then, the two families would connect their respective routers (we have some spare wireless routers) to this switch. The various computers and network printers would then be connected, in turn, to these routers. You are looking for a router (OSI layer 3), not a switch (OSI layer 2). It needs to have three distinct interfaces (1xWAN, 2xLAN). If it runs something like OpenWrt you are completely free about its configuration, e.g. you can put each interface in separate networks, enable or disable routing between them, filter traffic to your liking etc. It should even be possible to use some QoS features in order to share the bandwith between the families (subnets). I think even a simple Linksys WRT54GL would suffice. AFAIK you can disable the bridge between the switchports and thus configure each switchport as a separate interface. If you want GBit-Ethernet you can build something yourself using a Routerstation Pro, for example. Take a look at OpenWrt's Table of Hardware. Alix and Soekris boards come to my mind as well, but IMHO they are too expensive. J. -- If I could travel in time I would show my minidisc to the Romans and become Caesar until the batteries ran out. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Purchasing a wired switch; advice needed
Klistvud: Dne, 20. 04. 2011 11:25:27 je Jochen Schulz napisal(a): Klistvud: I'm planning to purchase a wired (consumer grade) switch since I've heard they're inherently more robust than (consumer grade) routers, and I'm planning to connect it *directly* to our cable broadband modem. Then, the two families would connect their respective routers (we have some spare wireless routers) to this switch. The various computers and network printers would then be connected, in turn, to these routers. You are looking for a router (OSI layer 3), not a switch (OSI layer 2). … Using a router is precisely what I'm trying to avoid here. I don't really know how cable broadband works, but AFAIU you need exactly one system routing your traffic to the WAN, just like with DSL. If this is the case, you need a router, period. That device doesn't need to be the usual plastic junk, but it needs to, erm, route IP traffic. That's why it's called a router. ;-) 1. Having had a router for the last 5 years or so, I've come to the conclusion that a single router, with a single configuration interface, can not accomodate our differing needs (the other family uses strictly Windows and needs UPnP, we strictly use Debian and hate UPnP; I must admit I never really understood what UPnP actually does, but if you mean the automatic port-forwarding nonsense: it might be possible to enable it for one network only with OpenWrt. resetting the shared router by one person has broken a download or some other internet-related task for the other person many a time; The real problem here is that you need to reset the router in the first place. I don't remember having done this with my WRT54GL ever. But my network is not as busy as yours, of course. we both need so many ports forwarded that the 20 available ports of an average router simply aren't enough; No problem with OpenWrt. 2. Consumer grade routers are flaky at best; cramming a firewall, port forwarding, NATting, dhcp, routing and what not into a 32 MB device apparently wasn't such a great idea, I wouldn't blame the low quality of the software on the low hardware specs. I'd rather have a good switch or even hub than a consumer-grade router doing my broadband sharing. It's just that a switch isn't capable of doing what you need. 3. Segment independence. I want to be able to use my network segment no matter what is happening on the other segment. With one central router serving both segments -- no matter how separated they may be internally to the device -- this can't be achieved. With your proposed network layout, internal traffic doesn't reach the shared router at all. Only cross-network (if allowed at all) and WAN traffic goes through the shared router. What I had in mind is something like this: http://www.ehow.com/how_6823201_use-switch-hub-instead-router.html . This only works if your cable modem is actually a router. As I said, I don't know the specifics of cable broadband. If your cable modem is able to connect to the WAN by itself, then you can just go ahead any buy practically any switch on the market. The cheaper it is, the less you have / are able to configure. J. -- I am on the payroll of a company to whom I owe my undying gratitude. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bugreport: Netinstall DVD? debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso 18-Apr-2011
Тира Шюпаст: I am new at sending bug reports to Debian, so please bear with me, and my English too. No problem. You just need to know that this list is not the right place to report bugs to Debian Developers, that's what the BTS is for (bugs.debian.org). But anyway, you mail's content suits this list very well. The problem is that the system can not be installed on my Compaq Presario CQ61 notebook. Bugs about failed installations should be reported against the pseudo-package debian-installer. The wheezy installer is probably expected to be quite unstable these days as squeeze has just been released a few weeks ago. If you need a stable release, pick squeeze. That doesn't have to keep you from trying wheezy, of course. But if it fails, please try to be constructive instead of demanding. The only custom setting I made is to give debian only /dev/sda1 partition instead of the whole hard drive. Even with the default settings, installation ends up with The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/. During installation you can switch to alternate VTs using Alt-Fx, where x is a number from 1-6. One of the consoles should contain an error message which would help in diagnosing the problem. Then I tried to get into installed system using Rescue mode of the installation dvd, but that system does not contain grub-install utility. If grub failed to install during system installation, a missing grub-install doesn't surprise me. :) What you could try is installing the deb file for grub from the installation DVD after chrooting to your new system. 3 I installed new grub as I can apt-get update apt-get install grub-pc (that launched grub-install) Oh, you already did that. Great! :) grub-mkconfig /boot/grub/menu.lst Menu.lst is grub-legacy, you need a /boot/grub/grub.cfg. You can regenerate is by running update-grub (as with grub-legacy). This made a bootable, but generally unusable buggy system. It doesn't bring up network interface on boot. I have to do ifup eth0 manually despite the settings of /etc/network/interfaces Ok, that's a separate issue. Please try to use one thread per issue, that makes it easier for people to follow / ignore topics. It cannot bring up my wifi adapter at all. Even with wireless-tools and wpasupplicant installed and configured (using config files from my previous Debian Squeeze installation), i can't even see it in ifconfig -a listing. In Squeeze that card worked fine. If you want us to help with that and the eth0 issue, it would help if you posted information regarding the hardware in use and what your configuration files look like. You cannot blindly assume your old config files will work with a new Debian release either, although that's generally the case. Regarding the wifi issue, I assume you are just missing a firmware package. Take a look at dmesg output, you may find a message in there about this very topic. I need a distro which can be installed. Then don't use wheezy. Or install squeeze first and then upgrade to wheezy. J. -- Nothing is as I planned it. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Troubleshooting boot
Michaël Grünewald: But anyway I try it again: is there a kernel command line option that disables parallelization of initialization and fixes the order of it? Not a kernel option, but you can edit /etc/default/rcS and set CONCURRENCY=none. That should prevent init scripts from being run in parallel. J. -- I wish I looked more like a successful person even though I'm a loser. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sata hotplug
tux: I'm using squeeze, and I want to hutplug an sata device. Someone said to me that sata and scsi is the same in linux. That's true to some extent, yes. Device naming is (and always was) the same, for example. I searched the web, the way of hot plug for scsi is echo an string to /proc/scsi/scsi. But there does not exist that file in my filesystem. So, now I wander who can I do hotplug for sata on squeeze, thanks. Apart from umounting / synching you don't need to do anything special. Just plug/unplug your devices. Device nodes are created automatically, but you most probably need to address filesystems by UUID or by label, because the usual device names will not be stable. J. -- I start many things but I have yet to finish a single one. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Cannot umount: device is busy
T o n g: Is there any way that I can kill all those kernel processes associated with the mount? For NFS run: /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server stop J. -- All participation is a myth. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: mua and mail service provider statistics
Slicky Johnson: I simply mark threads ignored and I don't seen anymore mails regarding that topic. I currently use claws-mail, and I see you're using mutt. If I remember correctly you should easily be able to mark a thread as ignored. Unfortunately, this isn't the case. You can mark (sub-)threads as read, but after that mutt will happily present new mails in the same thread to you. J. -- I wish I looked more like a successful person even though I'm a loser. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ssh between computers on my home network
Lisi: The Debian computers can be neither pinged nor ssh'd to. This is presumably because of some setting that Debian puts in place by default, but I can't find where or what. Debian doesn't install a firewall/packet filter by default. You just need to install openssh-server in the machine you want to ssh into and it should work. If you aren't even able to ping the machine in question, then I suppose there's some system in between blocking the access. In order for us to help you with that, you need to describe your network better. J. -- People talking a foreign language are romantic and mysterious. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: iceweasel 4 process not closing on exit
L V Gandhi: When ever I close iceweasel 4 in squeeze, process is not closing. How did you install Iceweasel 4? It isn't part of squeeze. J. -- I no longer believe in father christmas but have no trouble comprehending a nuclear apocalypse. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian was hacked: The Canterbury Distribution
tv.deb...@googlemail.com:
On Sid:
aptitude show cant
Paquet : cant
État: non installé
Version : 0.8.15-1
Priorité : supplémentaire
Section : admin
Responsable : Alexander Reichle-Schmehl toli...@debian.org
This installs the following shell script as /usr/bin/cant:
|#!/bin/bash
|
|args=(${@})
|comand=${args[0]}
|packages=${args[@]:1}
|
|case $comand in
|install)
|apt-get install ${packages[@]}
|;;
|remove)
|apt-get remove ${packages[@]}
|;;
|stand)
|apt-get remove --purge cant
|;;
|search)
|apt-cache search ${packages[@]}
|;;
|show)
|apt-cache show ${packages[@]}
|;;
|*|help)
|echo The Canterbury Distribution Package Manager
|echo ''
|echo usage: cant [option] packages
|echo 'options:'
|echo ' install install packages'
|echo ' remove remove packages'
|echo ' search search packages'
|echo ' stand remove the Canterbury Distribution
Package Manager'
|echo ' helpthis text'
|echo ''
|;;
|esac
'cant stand', nice!
J.
--
As a child I pulled the legs from a spider.
[Agree] [Disagree]
http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html
signature.asc
Description: Digital signature
Re: SSD's under Debian Linux
bars0 bars0: I recently bought an OCZ VERTEX 2 SSD. What precautions should I take when installing Debian on it? You don't strictly need to do anything special. You may want to read the advice here anyway: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/TipsAndTricks?highlight=%28ssd%29#Extending_flash_memory_life I strongly recommend against disabling the journal, though. Are SSD drives supported by Linux? Yes, including TRIM support. Is there any official documentation about this topic? None that I know of. Everything is supposed to just work (including block size issues). Could someone share its experience about SSD's in Debian or GNU/Linux in general. I am using an Intel X25m (1st generation) for almost two years now and apart from a few tmpfs and no swap, I haven't done anything special in order to optimize its usage. My model lacks TRIM support, though, and I think I can notice the performance penalty. J. -- I'm being paid to act weirdly. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What happened to debian - does stable keep having any meaning?
Geronimo: From a closer look to dpkg.log - there has been updates of python and grub uses python. Could this lead the different behaviour? Looking at your dpkg.log again, I notice that grub-pc has been purged and replaced by grub-legacy. Which version of grub are we talking about again? :) J. -- In public I try to remain calm and to appear perceptive. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What happened to debian - does stable keep having any meaning?
Geronimo: Rebooting from debian after a grub-install/update-grub, situation is shown by picture grub01.png This doesn't look *that* bad. It hangs right before showing the menu or at least its command line. I googled for welcome to grub! and found a hint that this *might* actually be a graphics problem. See this bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594967 It looks like the fix didn't make into stable, but you can try setting GRUB_TERMINAL=console. Jochen Schulz wrote: Can you still make the system bootable again just by removing the extra SATA controller? No. after removing controller, grub shows less than with controller (picture grub02.png). This is weird. To me, that suggests that grub tries to load one of the stages from one of the disks on that controller. But I might be wrong. J. -- If I am asked 'How are you' more than a million times in my life I promise to explode. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug in grub-pc results in unbootable system after installation (was: What happened to debian - does stable keep having any meaning?)
Geronimo: Jochen Schulz wrote: a hint that this *might* actually be a graphics problem. See this bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594967 It looks like the fix didn't make into stable, but you can try setting GRUB_TERMINAL=console. You ARE my hero :D All it took was pasting the message from your screen into Google. ;-) I am glad that we found a solution. Thanks for your persistence, I already feared you might give up on that one. BTW, I was wrong about the fix not being part of squeeze: the link above says the fix should be included in 1.98+20100804-12. But there's another user (message #154) that says the issue isn't fixed yet. You can simply send en email to 594967 at bugs.debian.org and try to get Colin Watson's attention. J. -- If I was Mark Chapman I would have shot John Lennon with a water pistol. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What happened to debian - does stable keep having any meaning?
Geronimo: Tom H wrote: It looks like you've found a gem, especially given the external card and this post by Colin Watson (#54): I don't think that's related. The issue cannot be resolved by removing the external card. You can also verify this at a lower level by trying 'lspci' at a GRUB prompt. If it's the same problem, this will hang. Just tried to execute 'lspci' from GRUB prompt. Worked fine - no freeze. ... so may be it is another cause, but the same symptom ... ACK, it's probably another issue. But you may still want to refer to this bug number in your new report. See here for details about the format if you don't use reportbug: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting You can probably leave out all the details in this thread. The interesting points probably are: - Happens with grub-pc 1.98+20100804-14 - Looks almost like #594967 - Disabling vga mode makes the system bootable again - lspci from grub's prompt succeeds I would use at least Severity: important. J. -- My memories gild my life with rare transcendance. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What happened to debian - does stable keep having any meaning?
Geronimo: Jochen Schulz wrote: Geronimo: As every of my drives had an installed grub in mbr, Ok, I forgot that. (BTW, I find this setup really strange, but if it worked in the past with grub2 it should of course continue to work.) LOL - let me clarify, that this setup has not been created by intention. I tried to change root to another SSD, but I never installed grub to the other 6 drives. Then I would try to rule out that the system boots from the wrong MBR, if you didn't already overwrite it. 1.) A fresh installation from debian 6.0 netinst CD results in an unbootable system, even using a single partition installation target. Ok, that's great! I would say that makes you eligible to file a bug report against d-i. :) Can you diff the grub.cfg against the one generated by 6.0? How should I do that? It should be possible to use CD/DVD1 of the 6.0.0 installer and prevent upgrades from being installed. The easiest way is probably to unplug the network cable during installation. J. -- I want to look younger than my friends so I will fight ageing as long as I can. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Automatically restart OpenVPN session
Kaushal Shriyan: is there a way to automatically restart the OpenVPN session while i switch to and fro from Wireless to Wired Network on Debian Squeeze ? Do you use network-manager? If not: you can add lines for OpenVPN to your entries for wired and wireless networks in /etc/network/interfaces: iface eth0 inet dhcp openvpn vpnname iface wlan0 inet dhcp openvpn vpnname Given vpnname, OpenVPN will use the config file /etc/openvpn/vpnname.conf. J. -- Driving behind lorries carrying hazardous chemicals makes me wish for a simpler life. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Automatically restart OpenVPN session
Kaushal Shriyan: I have multiple VPN Configs. is the below setting correct ? iface eth0 inet dhcp openvpn vpnname1 vpnname2 vpnname3 iface wlan0 inet dhcp openvpn vpnname1 vpnname2 vpnname3 I guess that should work, but I haven't tested it and I don't find an example for this in /usr/share/doc/openvpn/README.Debian.gz. You could try it and file a wishlist report on openvpn in order to clarify the correct syntax. (Ok, I just tried it myself, but by doing that I shut down the network connection of one of my machines at home. :)) Either way, this will only work if you don't use Network Manager (Gnome GUI tool for configuring network interfaces) and of course you have to specify correct interface names in /etc/network/interfaces. eth0 und wlan0 were just used as examples. J. -- Nothing is as I planned it. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What happened to debian - does stable keep having any meaning?
Geronimo: Jochen Schulz wrote: - Which disks are connected to which controller? As told above, the system disks are attached to the main board. The system disks are the three SSDs and a WD VelociRaptor (sdb) Ok, so to sum up: You have trouble booting from disks connected to your internal SATA controller, but only when another controller (presumably with disks attached to it) is in the system. AFAICS, we can rule out the kernel as the cuplrit completely, as grub doesn't even get that far. I'd say Grub2 and/or your mainboard (unlikely) has a problem that is in no way related to your upgrade to 6.0.1 (but to stable in general). If I were you, I would try to get support from the grub people directly. - Have you tried shuffling your disks around? Does the system respond differently depending on the controller for / or /boot? The system shuffles the disks around when I switch a disk from backplane on/off or enter a USB-stick, so yes - I'm very used to reorder disks at BIOS. What I meant was to physically attach disks to different ports. When the wrong disk is first, system start is not possible. Meaning the BIOS doesn't find a boot loader? Well, I am not too proficient in these things either. I throw my problems at Google like everyone else. :) But installing a new system on top of an old one wasn't a good idea when I still used Windows 95 (good riddance) and it still isn't a good idea today. /usr may contain binaries which the system doesn't know about and thus don't receive security updates. And /var contains system-specific data like dpkg's database that you don't want to re-use on a new installation. So how can I recover a broken system? I wouldn't call a new installation a recovery. For a new installation, you backup your data, install to new filesystems and restore your backup. Recovery procedures obviously vary with the actual problem you need to solve. But anyway: if you have a reliable way of crashing the installer, use reportbug (pseudo-package: debian-installer) to make the d-i team aware of the problem. Thanks for that hint. I'll try to remember, when I have my next sparetime. Sorry for stressing that again, but reporting problems here will not get the bug fixed. Ever. I am sorry that I only ask question that apparently lead you nowhere. I am just stabbing in the dark and I am afraid we will never get to the source of the problem unless you start from scratch and document every step you do in detail. J. -- I throw away plastics and think about the discoveries of future archeologists. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What happened to debian - does stable keep having any meaning?
Geronimo: Jochen Schulz wrote: AFAICS, we can rule out the kernel as the cuplrit completely, as grub doesn't even get that far. VETO - after reboot, you might be right, but what happens during update-grub? update-grub only creates the configuration file, it doesn't write the MBR or anything like that. As every of my drives had an installed grub in mbr, Ok, I forgot that. (BTW, I find this setup really strange, but if it worked in the past with grub2 it should of course continue to work.) unless you start from scratch and document every step you do in detail. What's unclear from (my post from 06:59:49 today): 1.) A fresh installation from debian 6.0 netinst CD results in an unbootable system, even using a single partition installation target. Ok, that's great! I would say that makes you eligible to file a bug report against d-i. :) Can you diff the grub.cfg against the one generated by 6.0? How many disks did you have attached to the system? Can you still make the system bootable again just by removing the extra SATA controller? Does it suffice to remove the disks from that controller? Is there anything else you can do with the hardware or the BIOS to make it bootable again? J. -- If nightclub doormen recognised me I would be more fulfilled. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What happened to debian - does stable keep having any meaning?
Geronimo: the last update of debian broke my system completely! I am very sorry for your wasted time and loss of data. I see why you need to let off steam. Nevertheless I think this threads leads nowhere unless you are more specific about the hardware in use and what kind of upgrade you actually ran. Instead of insulting Debian developers you could try to help them get the problem fixed (or make them aware in the first place). ... and now a system breaks on the fact of having an external SATA- controller?!? Is that really so exotic, that no one tests that, before moving packages into stable? If you are under the impression that every package needs to pass coordinated QA testing before it enters stable, then you are wrong. If nobody tested your setup using testing or sid, then you are basically out of luck. ... and the installer? Crashes on installing, when /usr and /var are different partitions which should not be formatted. Huh??? This looks like a separate issue which you might want to report against debian-installer. BTW, using unformatted /var and/or /usr for a fresh installation looks like a bad idea to me. J. -- Scientists know what they are talking about. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What happened to debian - does stable keep having any meaning?
Geronimo: Jochen Schulz wrote: Geronimo: the last update of debian broke my system completely! I am very sorry for your wasted time and loss of data. I see why you need to let off steam. Thank you very much! - usually I'm not that coarse. That's ok. I am glad my mail didn't anger you even more. :) Nevertheless I think this threads leads nowhere unless you are more specific about the hardware in use and what kind of upgrade you actually ran. Instead of insulting Debian developers you could try to help them get the problem fixed (or make them aware in the first place). With my last post I wrote about my specific hardware. I see. Didn't see it before sending my mail. I summarize what I know until now: - You have five disks (SSD or hard disks, shouldn't matter): / on sda1, ext4 /boot on sda2, ext2 swap on sdc1 /usr on sdc2, ext4 (btw, it's UNIX system ressources, not user) another swap on sdd2 /var on sdd2, ext4 sdb and sde appear to be unused with respect to the squeeze system (You may use them with squeeze, but they don't hold any system-relevant data.) - Some of these disks are attached to a secondary SATA controller (RocketRAID 230x). - Other disks are attached to the mainboard's (GA880GM-UD2H) controller. - Your setup worked fine even after you upgraded from lenny to squeeze. - You recently upgraded to the next point release and in the process were asked to reboot. After that, your system didn't boot. Btw, I am curious what exactly triggered the reboot warning. I cannot remember having seen that. Ok so far? Then let me ask a couple of questions: - Which disks are connected to which controller? - How did you upgrade to 6.0.1? - Which packages were upgraded in the process? -I ask because the news item for the point release doesn't mention grub at all (only grub-installer, which you probably don't use) and that's one reason why I suspect your problem isn't directly related to the upgrade to 6.0.1. All of dpkg, apt-get aptitude keep logs in /var/log. (Oh great! I have never noticed apt-get's term.logs before!) - How often did you reboot the system after the upgrade from lenny to squeeze? I am not interested in the exact number, I just want to ensure you did it at all. :) - How did you configure the secondary controller? AHCI? - Have you tried shuffling your disks around? Does the system respond differently depending on the controller for / or /boot? If you are under the impression that every package needs to pass coordinated QA testing before it enters stable, then you are wrong. I followed quite a time several debian MLs and yes, my opinion from reading the discussion between developers was, that debian has a coordinated QA testing. Well, the term coordinated might be a bit misleading. What I meant was: I don't expect the grub maintainers (or any other DD) to systematically test their package with various different hardware configurations, filesystems etc. I guess they grab the release tarball from upstream, patch it a little bit, compile it locally and in the best case they test on their local machine (which might be a simple virtual machine). Then they upload it to sid (or experimental, if they expect alpha quality) and hope upstream didn't release total junk. This is pure speculation and I may be wrong on that specific example. But that's the general process as far as I understand it. The rest is done by the user/developer community running sid or testing. If nobody tested your setup using testing or sid, then you are basically out of luck. I had the same issue when squeeze was testing and I reported it to this ML. But most comments leaded to my own problem. It's always great to see how fast mailing list mirrors and search engines catch up new posts. :) No one was willing to accept, that there's a big issue with grub. Oh, there are definitely issues. It probably wouldn't be part of so many distributions if grub legacy was still maintained. ... and the installer? Crashes on installing, when /usr and /var are different partitions which should not be formatted. Huh??? This looks like a separate issue which you might want to report against debian-installer. BTW, using unformatted /var and/or /usr for a fresh installation looks like a bad idea to me. So, may be you can guide me to a better use case, when the system is broken and the machine does not work any more. Well, I am not too proficient in these things either. I throw my problems at Google like everyone else. :) But installing a new system on top of an old one wasn't a good idea when I still used Windows 95 (good riddance) and it still isn't a good idea today. /usr may contain binaries which the system doesn't know about and thus don't receive security updates. And /var contains system-specific data like dpkg's database that you don't want to re-use on a new installation. But anyway: if you have a reliable way of crashing the installer
Re: sum two disks using RAID or LVM?
Γιώργος Πάλλας: A short question: I have two 500GB HDDs and I want to use their space as one. Should I aggregate them with software RAID, or using LVM in regard to data safety? If one of them malfunctions, is one of the two approaches better? If your goal is to use the disks as a single 1TB filesystem, both approaches will make your data inaccessible in case of a single disk failure. Both can do striping and/or mirroring, but using LVM for that is less common. I suggest RAID1 as the safe option and LVM if you don't want to waste the space. But that's probably only because I am more experienced using LVM tools than mdadm. Oh, and backups don't hurt either way. :) J. -- When standing at the top of beachy head I find the rocks below very attractive. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sum two disks using RAID or LVM?
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.: Buy another 500GB disk and do software RAID 5 if you really need 1TB of space. It won't be great, but it'll be a LOT safer than what you are proposing. mdadm can even do RAID10 on three drives (IBM calls it RAID 1E). You'll get 750GB of space with three 500GB drives. I am running such a setup with three 1000GB drives. J. -- I wish I could achieve a 'just stepped out of the salon' look more often. Or at least once. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian intallation
Yassine Ehssan: I have tried to I install the Debian operating system on a hard disk partitioned using windows vista hard disk partition manager and I have specified a primary partition of a capacity of 100 GB You most probably don't need that much space for Debian, but of course it doesn't hurt. but the problem was that the Debian installation process doesn't detect the hard partitions and need to create a new partition table. Are you absolutely sure about that? Under your circumstances, it should detect that there is no free (=unpartitioned) space on the disk and offer top resize one of the partitions in order to make space for Debian. Note: that the partitions are working very well under windows and they are of NTFS format. Debian cannot be installed on NTFS. Maybe you have luck deleting the unused 100GB partition from Windows and then starting the Debian installer again. J. -- I no longer believe my life will be long, happy, interesting or fulfilled [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: dd or cp over network: should I use scp?
Dotan Cohen: I need to dd or cp my laptop's harddrive over the LAN. For a reason that I'd rather not get into I cannot remove the drive from the laptop. What do you want to achieve? Cloning a filesystem that is in use always has some drawbacks, depending on the method. If you use LVM: use snapshots. You'll get a dirty filesystem that needs a fsck, but the result should be consistent. Otherwise, I would probably use rsync because it might save time if the copy is interrupted for some reason. Dd will probably yield very inconsistent results when you use it to copy a filesystem that is in use. J. -- I like my Toyota RAV4 because of the commanding view of the traffic jams. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How to set battery charge thresh in Debian 6 ?
Please don't top-post. waterloo: In gentoo, I set battery thresh in /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/start_charge_thresh . But in Debian 6 I can not find that file . module-assistant auto-install tp-smapi-source J. -- The news at ten makes me peevish but animal hospital makes me cry. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How to set battery charge thresh in Debian 6 ?
green: Jochen Schulz wrote at 2011-02-24 11:07 -0600: waterloo: In gentoo, I set battery thresh in /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/start_charge_thresh . But in Debian 6 I can not find that file . module-assistant auto-install tp-smapi-source In squeeze, all that is necessary is to install the tp-smapi-dkms package. Great, didn't know that. Thanks! J. -- My clothes aren't just fashion. They're a lifestyle. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Disc encryptian.
Heddle Weaver: looking at the collective knowledge factor, what's the best disc encryption package? What's everybody using? Two examples of Xzibit this week and hash changes showing up in the logs. No damage, just nosy kids. I am not sure what you are saying, but be aware that disk encryption does not protect your data while the system is running and the encrypted filesystems are in use. J. -- I think the environment will be okay. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: upgrade using aptitude
Qi Qi: I have been using debian unstable. After debian 6.0 released, aptitude upgrading asks me to remove gnome, gnome-core, and gnome-desktop-enviroment,etc. I doubt that you are using (safe-)upgrade. You are probably having trouble using full-upgrade which you didn't have if you used a safe-upgrade instead. I tried different resolutions provided in aptitude for dependency conflicts. But it seems all of the proposals asks for gnome removal. Is it normal during the transition of debian upgrading time? Yes. Unstable usually has dependency problems shortly after a release. If you regularly run safe-upgrades and watch your step when doing full-upgrades, things usually end up fine. J. -- I am not scared of death but terrified of people in Tommy Hilfiger sweatshirts. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: upgrade using aptitude
Heddle Weaver:
On 16 February 2011 20:06, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote:
Qi Qi:
I have been using debian unstable. After debian 6.0 released, aptitude
upgrading asks me to remove gnome, gnome-core, and
gnome-desktop-enviroment,etc.
I doubt that you are using (safe-)upgrade. You are probably having
trouble using full-upgrade which you didn't have if you used a
safe-upgrade instead.
With aptitude, upgrading to a new distribution, which is essentially what
you are doing when moving to a new version of unstable,
What is a new version of unstable? AFAICS, there's a new version every
day. And you never know what you get.
'aptitude full-upgrade' is appropriate after 'aptitude update'.
Partial NACK. You only need full-upgrades if dependencies require it.
Most of the time, this is unnecessary. And most of the time, a
safe-upgrade is the safest (d'uh) option. The worst thing that can
happen is that you simply don't get any upgrades at all.
With a full-upgrade, on the other hand, you only need to press Enter
once without thinking and have essential (not in the Debian sense)
packages removed. This list regularly receives mail from users who did
just that (or wonder how to get around aptitude's wishes).
If you routinely use safe-upgrades and only run full-upgrades if you
have a real need, you minimize the risk of breaking the system to a
point at which relatively unexperienced users have trouble recovering.
Sure, a full-upgrade is never wrong if you watch what aptitude is
about to do and take appropriate action. But making a habit of doing
full-upgrades only when you actually need them may prevent damage to
your system.
Additionally, shortly after a release it is the easiest option to stay
up-to-date without being troubled by larger transitions and broken or
unsatisfiable dependencies.
Follow this with 'aptitude autoclean'.
I prefer the following in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/90local:
APT {
// settings for cron.daily/apt
// see: /etc/cron.daily/apt
Periodic {
Update-Package-Lists 1;
Download-Upgradeable-Packages 1;
AutocleanInterval 1;
MinAge 3;
MaxAge 7;
MaxSize 1024;
}
}
That keeps the cache from growing endlessly without any manual
intervention.
I should also recommend installing the package: 'aptitude-doc-(insert
appropriate language code here)' which you will be able to find through the
aptitude interface and read it!
ACK! The search patterns are really great, probably aptitude's best
advantage over apt-get.
J.
--
In idle moments I remember former lovers with sentimental tenderness.
[Agree] [Disagree]
http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html
signature.asc
Description: Digital signature
Re: Middle button copy/paste
Please don't top-post. Instead, trim the quotes and write your reply below or in-between. Radhakrishna Bhat: Not sure, but I think you need to be running 'gpm' daemon for middle button paste to work. Gpm is only needed for mouse support in the VTs. X doesn't need that. J. -- Atrocities committed in Rwanda pervade my mind when I am discussing mundanities with acquaintances. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?
John Jason Jordan: Does anyone know of a place that has a fairly detailed but not too technical list of why one would want to use LibreOffice over OOo, disregarding the open source issues. I would be surprised to find something like this. The fork has purely political reasons and as it is still quite young, it shouldn't have deviated from OOo by much until now. I am interested in what LibreOffice offers that makes it easier to use, fewer bugs, features or lack thereof. Don't expect any of this today. I guess that it is currently even less stable/mature. J. -- I can tell a Whopper[tm] from a BigMac[tm] and Coke[tm] from Pepsi[tm]. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?
Adrian Levi: On 16 February 2011 02:47, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: I would be surprised to find something like this. The fork has purely political reasons and as it is still quite young, it shouldn't have deviated from OOo by much until now. LibreOffice includes the patchset that was GO-OO that neither Sun or Oracle would comit to the repo, so it was maintained as a separate patchset. Debian previously shipped GO-OO not Sun OO or Oracle OO Thanks for the correction. I had never heard about these patches. I am interested in what LibreOffice offers that makes it easier to use, fewer bugs, features or lack thereof. Don't expect any of this today. I guess that it is currently even less stable/mature. Pure Conjecture, True. It's just what I expect of a fresh fork. J. -- My medicine shelf is my altar. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian way of compiling a kernel.
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.: If you just want a .deb to install, I've heard there's a makefile target in the kernel tarball that works fine. I believe but can't confirm that the .debs generated by the makefile in the kernel tarball will properly invoke the postint scripts that are used to update grub.cfg, menu.lst, or the lilo boot sector. I routinely compile vanilla kernels from git just using make, make deb-pkg and when installing the resulting package, grub2 and the initramfs get updated just fine. J. -- I wear a lot of leather but would never wear fur. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Installation on SSD
Allan Wind: On 2011-02-09T09:31:51, Brandon Ros wrote: What is the bottom line with: mount options (TRIM, noatime) All I did was ensuring that I was on a recent enough kernel for TRIM support (2.6.33 and I think Debian added it to 2.6.32-12), and added noatime and nodiratime in /etc/fstab for mount options. If you want to be on the safe side regarding programs relying on a more or less accurate atime, use relatime instead. block alignment I did not not do anything special. From what Henrique recently wrote on this list, the installer should handle everything just fine: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/01/msg02021.html (The post refers to disks with 4k sectors but should apply to most SSDs as well.) partitioning (GPT, MBR, BIOS?) It should not matter. GPT apparently has alignment issues, so I would avoid that for now. If you are booting from the SSD, you would need BIOS support anyway. J. -- My memories gild my life with rare transcendance. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: best labtop for debian
Andrei Popescu: Of course, a ThinkPad is not perfect for everyone, True. here are some possible cons: - battery life is not very good Depends on the model and the battery. - quite heavy Dito. My 12 X200 weighs less than 1.5kg. Quite portable, I would say. - many models have only a TrackPoint - not stylish That's a matter of taste. :) But you forgot the most miportant reason: price. J. -- As a child I pulled the legs from a spider. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: best labtop for debian
hamed hosseini: i want buy labtop,tell me best labtop for debian os? 900$-1300$ my choice is lenovo labtop I have been using an X200 for the last two years and I am still very pleased with it. The X201 is a bit more expensive and features more recent CPUs, but you might want to consider getting an X200 with an old CPU and invest the money you saved in a high quality SSD. I am using an Intel X25m (1st generation) and I love it. J. -- When standing at the top of beachy head I find the rocks below very attractive. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Sticking with Lenny
Tony van der Hoff: I have a headless VPS running Lenny. For the time being, until I get some time to attend to it, I wish to keep it that way. However, my sources.list points to stable: Then change that to lenny and run apt-get update. If you didn't install any packages from squeeze (which you would remember since it would pull in tons of upgrades), it's not too late to do that. J. -- I cannot comprehend the idea of chemical and biological weapons. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sid: upgrade wants to remove xserver packages
Hugo Vanwoerkom: Doing a dist-upgrade in Sid this morning wants to remove all xserver packages. Wait a bit? That's why I always preach not to run dist-upgrades (or full-upgrades, as aptitude calls them) but simple upgrades. That way you won't have to fear removing half of your system. J. -- I am no longer prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How to use mount.crypt remount
T o n g: I can't figure out how to use the remount option of mount.crypt from its man page. All the following that I've tried have failed: mount.crypt -o remount ro /dev/sdaxx /mnt/point mount.crypt -v -o remount=ro /dev/sdaxx /mnt/point Use a comma to separate mount options, just like in the /etc/fstab: mount -o remount,ro … J. -- If I could have anything in the world it would have to be more money. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Help with Sun Java in Debian Sid
Nick Lidakis: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 01:49:10AM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: Java includes tons of alternatives, not only java. I guess you still have other alternatives pointing to openjdk. Use 'update-java-alternatives' to fix them all at once and try again. This is what I get: phobos:/home/nick# update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for appletviewer. update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for apt. update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for extcheck. … I /think/ these messages are ok because you have installed a JRE and not a complete JDK. But I don't know how to help ypu further. J. -- I enjoy shopping, eating, sex and doing jigsaw puzzles of idealised landscapes. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Help with Sun Java in Debian Sid
Nick Lidakis: In trying to track down what was going on, I realized I had the Sun Java jre installed from the non-free repository and openjdk-6-jre openjdk-6-jre-headless. I tried using update-aletrnatives --config java to pick between the two to no avail. I removed the openjdk packages and currently only have Sun's Java installed. Java includes tons of alternatives, not only java. I guess you still have other alternatives pointing to openjdk. Use 'update-java-alternatives' to fix them all at once and try again. J. -- If nightclub doormen recognised me I would be more fulfilled. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: loud f'ing noise
shawn wilson: second, where do i find the cause of this alarm? i looked in my the log files of when it started (well, kern, messages, syslog) and sent along the only thing i saw... now, this was a $400 supermicro motherboard when i bought it a few years ago, I have a Supermicro board as well (X7SPA) and while it doesn't contain a regular PC speaker, it's got that small, cylindrycal thing on it that starts beeping unbearably loud for not reason at all. Much like yours. My guess is that it has something to do with the board losing it's threshold values for temperature alarms and at the same time mis-reporting some temps. Take a look here: http://well-adjusted.de/~jrschulz/gfx/x7spa-temps.png The sudden jump in week 2 is completely bogus. At the same time, lm-sensors reports an alarm temperature if 0°C. I ended up just disabling the alarm noise with a jumper on the mainboard. Now I am only notified about this status using a red LED on the case (right next to power, HD LEDs etc.) so i suppose the bios might have a logging mechanism (like i've seen on some dells). how would i access that? You can use lm-sensors to see whether you get erratic temp readings as well. i agree that i should get notified of messed up things. however, if something happens (ie, ram issue that ecc catches) i should be notified about it and allowed to go about my day. just saying, i think i lost quite a bit of sanity listening to that thing for over an hour. I guess that's the way Supermicro does things. My only solution (apart from disabling the speaker) is to reboot the machine when it starts to beep. J. -- We are lining up to see you fall flat on your face. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Recommendation for buy Hardware
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Alfonso Ruiz wrote: The ST2000DL003 is 4096 bytes per sector, can this have problems with squeeze? Squeeze tries to align everything to 1MB boundaries, so it shouldn't cause problems. Do you refer to the installer only, or does that apply to the usual tools (parted/cfdisk, LVM, cryptseup) as well? J. -- I will not admit to failure even when I know I am terribly mistaken and have offended others. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: java 5 in squeeze
Andrew McGlashan: Vu Ngoc VU wrote: As sun-java5-jre doesn't exist on Squeeze, there is no clue. But if you want to install some package that have the same name on both distros, you can use option -t with apt-get. If sun-java5 continues to be important, then why not have a port in squeeze too? Probably because it isn't supported upstream anymore: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5/ | Java SE 5.0 is in its Java Technology End of Life (EOL) transition | period. The EOL transition period began April 8th, 2007 and will | complete October 8th, 2009, when Java SE 5.0 will have reached its End | of Service Life (EOSL). J. -- If politics is the blind leading the blind, entertainment is the fucked- up leading the hypnotised. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Recommendation for buy Hardware
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Jochen Schulz wrote: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: Squeeze tries to align everything to 1MB boundaries, so it shouldn't cause problems. Do you refer to the installer only, or does that apply to the usual tools (parted/cfdisk, LVM, cryptseup) as well? The installer, but get RC2 or newer. And up-to-date squeeze. [… snipped tons of useful info] Thanks a lot! J. -- If I could travel through time I would go back to yesterday and apologise. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Linux disk partition encryption
Sjoerd Hardeman: Celejar schreef: Oh, basically the Evil Maid attack. Fair enough. But then you have to make sure the attacker can't flash the BIOS ... Bother to explain how it works? If you have an encrypted partition, no adapted kernel will ever be able to access it. Of course it can. You are entering the passphrase as usual and besides working as usual, your kernel performs a few extra tasks. J. -- I think the environment will be okay. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Let's talk about HTTPS Everywhere
Celejar: On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:58:28 +0100 A single core get's used 100% by the kworker thread. But actually it's not 20MB/s, but 25MB/s while reading (decrypting) and 35MB/s while writing (encrypting). I just tested it again. So does that mean that your wireless throughput with encryption enabled is CPU-bound, and that you'd be getting better throughput with a more powerful CPU (or without encryption)? No. The numbers I posted were about disk encryption. They were just meant to illustrate what throughput is possible with AES if it is done by a comparably slow CPU (Atom D510, 1.66GHz). With WPA2/AES you have significantly less throughput (typically 10%) and, as far as I know, wifi encrpytion is done by the hardware and not the host CPU. But even if it's done on the host CPU: my numbers show that you really don't need to care about that very much, as long as your system isn't older than, say, 6-8 years. (Disclaimer: I am unsure whether WPA2 with AES actually performs the same as LUKS using AES. But my guess is that it's not far off.) J. -- I am not scared of death but terrified of people in Tommy Hilfiger sweatshirts. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Linux disk partition encryption
Celejar: Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote: Linux admins used LUKS, and as a further step, I put /boot (the only partition that cannot be encrypted) on a USB stick, so that if anyone got the laptop, they had no access to the data. Why does putting /boot on a USB stick gain you anything? Because an unencrypted /boot may be altered by an attacker without you noticing it. Theoretically, the kernel may be replaced by another one that reports your passphrase to the attacker. J. -- I feel yawning hollowness whilst talking to people at parties. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Linux disk partition encryption
Celejar: Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: Celejar: Why does putting /boot on a USB stick gain you anything? Because an unencrypted /boot may be altered by an attacker without you noticing it. Theoretically, the kernel may be replaced by another one that reports your passphrase to the attacker. Oh, basically the Evil Maid attack. Fair enough. But then you have to make sure the attacker can't flash the BIOS ... Exactly. I didn't remember there was a name for this attack. J. -- There is no justice in road accidents. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: putting /tmp to memory help
Celejar: I'm somewhat confused about this. My system has 2GB of RAM, and I have: $ uptime 20:46:09 up 5 days, 5:30, 9 users, load average: 0.06, 0.09, 0.25 $ free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 206517210473121017860 0 66064 357512 -/+ buffers/cache: 6237361441436 Swap: 1949688 1023641847324 This shows that ~620MB are used for applications and data. About 400MB is used for buffers/cache (don't ask me what the difference is). $ df | grep tmp tmpfs 103258416 1032568 1% /lib/init/rw tmpfs 1032584 0 1032584 0% /dev/shm none 1032584 2440 1030144 1% /tmp So my /tmp is using 1GB. No. Your /tmp might grow up to 1GB, but it only occupies what's really necessary. This is the main difference between tmpfs and a traditional RAM disk. Someone posted an interesting link about this topic, IIRC in this very thread. J. -- I use a Playstation to block out the existence of my partner. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Apache SSL named based virtual hosts
Bob Proulx: Jochen Schulz wrote: Modern browsers appear to support that TLS extension: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Server_Name_Indication#Browser\ s I will implement this in a test installation and get some experience with this feature. The future looks brighter! The funny thing is that this new standard gets adopted at the time where many ISPs seriously start thinking about IPv6 where address shortage is not an issue anymore. ;-) When using this, you run into problems with IE7, though… Personally, I have never seen this in production. Let me vilify MSIE 6 and say that it needs to die. Its use is damaging to the community. Sure, and I agree with the rest of what you said. But beware: the Wikipedia link suggests that SNI isn't supported at all for IE on Windows XP. J. -- Driving behind lorries carrying hazardous chemicals makes me wish for a simpler life. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Question related to FDE (Full Disk Encryption) solution under Linux Debian Lenny
(Ccing the OP since I am unsure whether he reads the list.) Thomas Nguyen Van: Our company needs to encrypt hard drives on our machines running under Linux Debian Lenny. […] Instead of reposting your question from last Wednesday, it would be more polite to answer to the replies you already received on the list. In case you are not subscribed, you can see your thread here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/01/msg01292.html J. -- I feel yawning hollowness whilst talking to people at parties. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
