Re: Sid wants to kill off abiword, aspell, and gedit
James Vahn wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Joe Potter wrote: > >> I figure that someone at Debian hates the editors I like. What to do? >> >> >> An "apt-get dist-upgrade" will remove abiword and gedit. They then would >> be un-installable. This always happens with Sid and Gnome. Abiword is >> always the last to be fixed. I smell a conspiracy! > > > Does this help? > > ~# echo "abiword hold" | dpkg --set-selections > > No, I could just run Etch if I was all that worried. I do restrict myself to just "apt-get upgrade" rather than loose little old gedit these days. I could always use kedit to check my spelling I guess, but it would be a hoot to see gedit and abiword fixed in a big ugrade ahead of oppenoffice and kedit. Just once. I am not really complaining, as running Sid is all about breaking things once in a while. The development branch of Ubuntu has broken X every other day for months --- while Sid has played well with his toys so far. -- Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sid wants to kill off abiword, aspell, and gedit
I figure that someone at Debian hates the editors I like. What to do? An "apt-get dist-upgrade" will remove abiword and gedit. They then would be un-installable. This always happens with Sid and Gnome. Abiword is always the last to be fixed. I smell a conspiracy! -- Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get update works fine; but apt-get upgrade does not
Josh Battles wrote: > Joe Potter said: > >>I am running Sid, and I can use apt-get update just fine. However, when >>I then run apt-get upgrade I see apt fail to get even a single file. >>Each one yields the message about failed to open the file. >> >>I thought that if the server was down, update would fail; and if update >>worked then upgrade would also. >> >>Does anyone know the status of the repositories? > > > I may be wrong here, but isn't the command apt-get dist-upgrade? Maybe > you're confusing aptitude upgrade with the apt-get version? > No. I normally would run "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get dist-upgrade" but at the present time that would cause several packages to be removed that I need. Therefore, I just use "apt-get upgrade" which will only upgrade without removing any packages. But, "apt-get dist-upgrade" does not work either. The problem seems to be that apt knows what packages are in the repository but can not get them. Hence my question. -- Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-get update works fine; but apt-get upgrade does not
Hello all, I am running Sid, and I can use apt-get update just fine. However, when I then run apt-get upgrade I see apt fail to get even a single file. Each one yields the message about failed to open the file. I thought that if the server was down, update would fail; and if update worked then upgrade would also. Does anyone know the status of the repositories? Thanks. -- Regards, Joe Potter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't install KDE in Sid
Nate Bargmann wrote: > Hi All. > > I've been building a partition on my laptop for Sid (with 40 GB > available one might as well play, right?) and I'd really like to run > KDE. However whenever I select KDE, libglu1-xorg is shown as broken. > The description says: > > * libglu1-xorg conflicts with libglu1 (provided by xlibmesa-glu > 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14) > * libglu1-xorg conflicts with xlibmesa-glu > > So, am I to assume that this is a bit of the pain associated with > moving from XFree to Xorg and it will be sorted out in a few days? Is > there any way around this or do I just wait? It looks like trying to > force the issue causes the removal of xbase-clients and more including > kdm! > > If nothing else, I'm appreciating the relative calm of running testing > all these years by stepping into the turmoil that is unstable. :-) > > - Nate >> > You can not judge the "relative calm" of testing verses Sid based on this time period. The xorg thing is a major change. I have found Sid to be more usable than testing over the past several years --- but there are times that I do not update until the dust clears. This is one of those times. Ubuntu's development branch has broken the xserver daily for weeks on end. I have fixed x countless times as I help test. Who knew it was this much trouble to change x-servers? I did not. They are trying to make it more "modular" to make it better in the long run. I guess we will like that some day way in the future. Good luck. -- Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it
Bob Proulx wrote: > Marty wrote: > >>Bob Proulx wrote: >> > > You are very close to trolling. Please don't do that. > > Bob Hi Bob, He may be close to trolling, but I am glad they all got those posts out of you. What great explanations of the situation. I have tried to impart this information in the past to others without the success of your phrases. Bravo!! Warm Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Programming Backwards (was Re: Top posting (a different point of view))
Ben wrote: > > Well, I find that most C programs nowadays are written backwards : > main() on top and functions below. Having learned C from K&R, that's > backwards for me. > > But the point is : I put up with it. No whining and no expectations > that everyone will want to follow my preferences. > > Tolerance, dude. There's too much intolerance out there in the world > today already. > Ben, blind tolerance is not always a "good thing"(tm). For example, I am very intolerant of the killing of innocent men, women and children by our military in foreign counties. I see no reason to "tolerate" the chicken-hawks who lied us into war and see dead kids as a necessary part of "our safety". No, blind tolerance is not good. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top posting (a different point of view)
Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > Joe Potter wrote: > >> You want to see the context. You want to see the flow of the discussion >> --- like we did years ago before you had to cave due to all the suites >> who can do no better. > > > Sorry, but I'm not too slow to remember the substance of 95% of the > conversations I have with my co-workers. > We are talking about how one should post in this mail-list. We have a very high volume list, and most have other things to do besides read the list on a continual basis. So, post at the bottom and trim out the stuff that is not necessary to understanding your reply. Talk to your co-workers as you please. >> Gates is a cancer, and the after life will be warm >> in his case if there is justice. >> >> > > > *plonk* Religious zealot. > "plonk" ?? Did you get the part in "Revenge of the Nerds, part 12"? Or do you work for the cancer? -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top posting (a different point of view)
Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > Joe Potter wrote: > >> That, of course, is the main point you made. I put all this in the lap >> of Bill Gates --- the miserable ass. He is never happy unless he is >> destroying some standard and replacing it with crap of some kind. >> >> > > > > Outlook does it this way not to be contrary, but for an obvious reason: > it works better for the people who use it. > > If you're involved in a discussion, and you're tracking it all -- > because if you don't you're fired -- you want to see ... You want to see the context. You want to see the flow of the discussion --- like we did years ago before you had to cave due to all the suites who can do no better. Gates is a cancer, and the after life will be warm in his case if there is justice. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top posting (a different point of view)
Carl Fink wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 12:46:20PM -0700, Caleb Walker wrote: > >>Carl Fink wrote: >> >> >>>Just out of curiosity: you do realize that "LCD" is an insult, right? >>> >>> >> >>What is LCD? > > > Least Common Denominator. I thought it was Last Chick Drunk. --Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top posting (a different point of view)
Phil Dyer wrote: > I agree with that point exactly. > > PS: 2 points for anybody that can figure out which point, or even which > poster I'm agreeing with. > > (I really did try to stay out of this...) > > phil > I get no points at all as it is not worth trying to figure out what the point was. That, of course, is the main point you made. I put all this in the lap of Bill Gates --- the miserable ass. He is never happy unless he is destroying some standard and replacing it with crap of some kind. --- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top posting
Robert Wolfe wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Joe Potter wrote: > >> No, I would guess they are Winders folks mainly and just have no good >> reason to offer for top posting. I further think they just don't give a >> darn about helping others out. > > > Heh thing is is I am a Windoze as well as a Debian user (I run the x86 > version of Debian under Virtual PC 2004 under WinXP and the Sparc > version of Debian on a Sun Microsystems Ultra 5). I enjoy trying my > best to help others out no matter what the situation or OS they use :) > > Double posting is another topic, but just as bad as the topic at hand. Thanks for the demonstration. I thought about explaining the word "mainly" in my post since so many can not fathom words like "majority", "most", "mainly" or any other reference to over half a given population. I suppose they are to interested in telling their little story to actually read the post. But then I thought, "why try?" since most today think anecdotal evidence is real data. But then, most never took statistics. See http://dictionary.reference.com/ for "most." --- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top posting
Graham Smith wrote: > Lech Karol Pawłaszek wrote: > > PS Have you noticed that there aren't many people who are top posting > zealots? I wonder why. Maybe tops posters are just more relaxed and > chilled out people. :o) > > No, I would guess they are Winders folks mainly and just have no good reason to offer for top posting. I further think they just don't give a darn about helping others out. Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge release
Tom Allison wrote: > > Should I be concerned that my link to > > http://non-us.debian.org testing/non-US/non-free > and other 'non-us.debian.org' URLs? > > It seems that a lot of things are not responding. Is this the result of > 38000 users all trying to access the exact same server? > > The non-US repository is defunct with the release of Sarge. This was announced a long time ago. Take it out of your sources list. Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Will Sid go nuts?
Hello all, When we get a Sarge release in a few days, we will get crazy behavior out of Sid for a while? I seem to remember that when Woody was released, updating in testing or Sid was a problem for a long time. Will that be the case again? Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Squid and Transparent Proxy for just one box
Romulo Sousa wrote: > On 5/30/05, Joe Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Joe Potter wrote: >> >>>Hello All, >>> >>>I need to test some proxy methods for our school lab. I seem to have hit >>>a brick wall. >>> >>>I have squid running just fine on this Debian Sid box. I use Firefox and >>>manually tell it where to find the proxy, i.e. at 127.0.0.1 and port >>>3128. The logs (/var/log/squid/access.log) show everything working just >>>fine. >>> >>>The problem is that I can not get the transparent portion working. The >>>how-tos on the net (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy.html) >>>seem to all involve setting up a server with two nic cards and so forth. >>>I will need that at some point, but right now I just want to redirect >>>all calls to port 80 on this one box for all users to port 3128 so the >>>use of squid becomes mandatory. In fact, I just want to see it work one >>>time on my account. >>> >>>I am sitting behind a firewall router and do not run an iptables >>>firewall now. Hence, I can use any fire wall to get this job done. It is >>>just this one box I would love to see work. >>> >>>A little help please? >>> >>> >>>Regards, Joe >>> >>> >> >>Hello all, >> >>I found it. I forgot to let squid itself talk to port 80. Seems that >>caused a bit of trouble. > > Hi Joe, > > I'm having a similiar problem. How did u solve the problem of redirect > the port http (80) to another higher port (3128 in your case)? > > Thanks > > Romulo > > >>Regards, Joe >> >> >>-- >>To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > Hi Romulo, Read this one over and I think it will fix you up. The problem I had was that I did not realize that squid runs as user "proxy" by default. So, leave that alone and adjust the how-to accordingly is the way I did it. In other words, replace "squid" with "proxy". (on Debian at least) http://www.msys.ca/wordpress/index.php?p=39 If that does not work, we can go through it step-by-step if you want. Then, maybe you can tell me how to use Dansguardian and still be able to read the darn news on-line! Good luck. Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Squid and Transparent Proxy for just one box
Joe Potter wrote: > Hello All, > > I need to test some proxy methods for our school lab. I seem to have hit > a brick wall. > > I have squid running just fine on this Debian Sid box. I use Firefox and > manually tell it where to find the proxy, i.e. at 127.0.0.1 and port > 3128. The logs (/var/log/squid/access.log) show everything working just > fine. > > The problem is that I can not get the transparent portion working. The > how-tos on the net (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy.html) > seem to all involve setting up a server with two nic cards and so forth. > I will need that at some point, but right now I just want to redirect > all calls to port 80 on this one box for all users to port 3128 so the > use of squid becomes mandatory. In fact, I just want to see it work one > time on my account. > > I am sitting behind a firewall router and do not run an iptables > firewall now. Hence, I can use any fire wall to get this job done. It is > just this one box I would love to see work. > > A little help please? > > > Regards, Joe > > Hello all, I found it. I forgot to let squid itself talk to port 80. Seems that caused a bit of trouble. Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Squid and Transparent Proxy for just one box
Hello All, I need to test some proxy methods for our school lab. I seem to have hit a brick wall. I have squid running just fine on this Debian Sid box. I use Firefox and manually tell it where to find the proxy, i.e. at 127.0.0.1 and port 3128. The logs (/var/log/squid/access.log) show everything working just fine. The problem is that I can not get the transparent portion working. The how-tos on the net (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy.html) seem to all involve setting up a server with two nic cards and so forth. I will need that at some point, but right now I just want to redirect all calls to port 80 on this one box for all users to port 3128 so the use of squid becomes mandatory. In fact, I just want to see it work one time on my account. I am sitting behind a firewall router and do not run an iptables firewall now. Hence, I can use any fire wall to get this job done. It is just this one box I would love to see work. A little help please? Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sarge will not print text, but Fedora Core will
I now have checked printing by putting Fedora Core 2 on this box. After following Sarge since the damn beginning and printing to my trusty HP 920c deskjet the cups team has finally screwed up printing in Sarge just as we freeze it. This is a tad irritating. It started in Sid with the introduction of libcupsys2-gnutls10 and then went to Sarge with the introduction of same. All kinds of kde things seem to depend on this package. So a dist-upgrade becomes impossible if I want to print text. Oh, the printer prints graphics just fine. But a simple little text letter --- no way. Any ideas would help. I did file a bug report, but heard nothing back and the bug report just sits there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sarge breaks some HP deskjets
Hello all, Is there anyway that the Debian team could make it so I could use libcupsys2 in Sarge rather than libcupsys2-gnutls10 ?? The latter breaks my HP 920c in that I can no longer print text --- but graphics still works. With libcupsys2 it works just great. Can we put back the library that works? Thanks, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can anyone print to an HP inkjet after Cups upgrade? (libcupsys2-gnutls10)
Hello all, The above says it all. If I am to keep Sarge upgraded, I will have to accept libcupsys2-gnutls10. :-( This makes my HP 920c print graphics only. I lose text printing. I do not print many photos however. I do like to print a little text once in a while! Any workarounds? Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
libcupsys2-gnutls10 breaks printing of text on HP 920c deskjet printer
Package: libcupsys2-gnutls10 Version: 1.1.20final+cvs20040 I have a HP 920c deskjet printer. It has worked fine with Cups for a long time. It works fine with libcupsys2, but upon using libcupsys2-gnutls10 it will no longer print text. On printing the CUPS "printer test page" you get the graphics part but not the words. In openOffice you can print grahics, but not plain text. Same in AbiWord. I run three instances of Debian on this box. Sid or Sarge works with libcupsys2 but not libcupsys2-gnutls10. I have tried this with kernel 2.4.26 as well as 2.6.7 --- this package never worked for me in Sid, and now is in testing. Any thoughts? Well, it has to do with printing test --- the graphics prints. An incompatability with hpijs perhaps? Any ideas at all? Thanks, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI-tool for network configuration
Karl Hegbloom wrote: > aptitude install configure-debian > configure-debian > Very nice. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Printing problems with libcupsys2-gnutils10 in Sid
Hello All, I am now running pure Sarge and everything works just dandy. If I upgrade to Sid, then I end up with the "new" cups libcupsys2-gnutils10 (I think, this is from memory). Now, with that in place, my HP 920c inkjet will print only the graphics stuff but not any text at all. Not the first black letter! Well, I down grade back to Sarge and all is well with libcupsys2 again. What am I overlooking here? This new cups stuff will enter Sarge someday --- so I had better figure out what I am doing wrong. Any ideas? Thanks, Joe -- The slightest acquaintance with history shows that powerful republics are the most warlike and unscrupulous of nations. --- Ambrose Bierce -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
libcupsys2-gnutls10 in Sid breaks my HP 920c printer
Hello All, I can print perfectly to an HP 920c inkjet printer with my setup using libcupsys2. But, when I upgrade to libcupsys2-gnutls10 (it is in Sid) I can only print the graphics portion of a doc --- no text at all. Anyone know what I might be doing wrong? -- The slightest acquaintance with history shows that powerful republics are the most warlike and unscrupulous of nations. --- Ambrose Bierce -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sid login problem (delay)... PAM or something else?
Kenward Vaughan wrote: > I noted on my Dec. 10 dist-upgrade of Sid that logging off of a virtual > terminal had a large delay introduced (minutes, it seems). An error > msg. is spit out after a bit: > > INIT: Id "2" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > > This does NOT happen with the console (tty1). > > Googling noted the existent getty was having trouble based on bad > libraries or some other issue. I checked what it is linked to: > > root:/home/daddy# ldd /sbin/getty > libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40023000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000) > > libc6 was not in the upgrade list. I don't know where ld-linux is. > > There is nothing odd in etc/inittab (all lines regarding respawning are > /identical except the runlevels--the default of which is set for 2). > > Anyone know what the issue likely is? My subject: came from > remembering PAM issues some time ago, but for other login problems. > > > Kenward Same problem here. We have 25 boxes running Debian and the two that got the upgrade (in Sarge) have this problem. As well as NIS died also. -- Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
