Re: Fwd: Re: [Somewhat More OT] Closed source software Was [Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]]

[John C. Ellingboe]

Paul Johnson wrote:

On Sunday 06 April 2008 09:02:41 am Ron Johnson wrote:



And the 1933 /King Kong/, the B&W /Secret Garden/ (which my 8yo
daughter likes), and the live action Disney movies from the late 50s
thru mid 70s like /The Shaggy Dog/, /Flubber/, /The World's
Strongest Man/, /Escape From Witch Mountain/ etc.

Turner Classic Movies is *the* channel in our house.  It and a PVR
that burns DVDs are unbeatable.



Song of the South was really good, and despite having a ride themed after it 
at pretty much every Disney park, odds of finding a copy of Song of the South 
on anything but an old Japanese laserdisc are pretty slim these days.




Try googling for "song of the south" and see just how slim the odds are.
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Re: Debian User List

[John C]

Greg Folkert wrote:

On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 20:45 -0500, John C wrote:

Greg Folkert wrote:

On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 13:45 -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote:

Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Actually, I would prefer if [OT] messages would be kept [OOTL]
(out of this list)

I said this once before and got shot down, but here it is again:

If this list is supposed to be for idle chit-chat among the debian
community, then we really have no mailing list specifically for people to
talk about debian, or get help about debian. We should have at least another
list, probably "debian-help".

Okay, so why would *I* subscribe to that list?

A better question would be.. Why would those who are tired of the 
OT bull sessions want you to?


It would probably be a lot better for the new users to help 
themselves than to be pawns for your ego. Sure they'll make 
mistakes, but I suspect they'll learn more in the long run.


Piss-off. I don't do it for ego, but it seems you do.



Actually, that was a little harsher than I meant it to be Greg. 
You are not the worst offender. However, if you wonder where the 
ego comment came from, please notice the highlighted *I* in your 
statement quoted below. Then ask yourself why anyone would 
highlight a pronoun when talking about themselves?


"Okay, so why would *I* subscribe to that list?"


ego n
1: an inflated feeling of pride in your superiority to others
   [syn: {egotism}, {self-importance}]
2: your consciousness of your own identity [syn: {self}]
3: (psychoanalysis) the conscious mind
-


As for the Debian User list, there is little value in monitoring 
it anymore. In the days of "Bo" and "Hamm" it was by far the most 
technically valuable and helpful list on the net, but that day 
has passed. It now consists of much more self important bullshit 
than debian related discussion. As a result, in the last few 
months I've learned more about the politics, religion and sex 
life of other users than I ever wanted to know.


Since my only reason for remaining on the list all these years 
was simply to keep abreast of the progress of the Debian 
community and since that community seems to be morphing into 
something less than it could be, I've decided to unsubscribe.


But before doing so, I just wanted to say "thank you" to all who 
contributed to my knowledge of Debian and of Linux over the years 
either directly by helping me with a problem or indirectly by 
helping other users with their problems.


Thanks, and that thanks includes several of the OT posters.

John



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Re: Debian User List

[John C]

Greg Folkert wrote:

On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 13:45 -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote:

Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Actually, I would prefer if [OT] messages would be kept [OOTL]
(out of this list)

I said this once before and got shot down, but here it is again:

If this list is supposed to be for idle chit-chat among the debian
community, then we really have no mailing list specifically for people to
talk about debian, or get help about debian. We should have at least another
list, probably "debian-help".


Okay, so why would *I* subscribe to that list?



A better question would be.. Why would those who are tired of the 
OT bull sessions want you to?


It would probably be a lot better for the new users to help 
themselves than to be pawns for your ego. Sure they'll make 
mistakes, but I suspect they'll learn more in the long run.


John



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Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

[John C]

``Microsoft Tax''.


without "representation" ..

So when's our Boston Tea Party?



It's in progress courtesy of Richard Stallman.

"Free Software Foundation (FSF) *Boston Mass*"

:-)


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Re: Debian GUI

[John C]

Toshko wrote:

Hey John,
Thanks for replying to my email. I am currently not hooked up to the 
internet, and dont have the driver to connect my ethernet cable to my 
router. 


Does that mean that you have broadband (cable,dsl) available 
through a router, but not a driver on your computer to talk to 
the router?


If so, the best way to load debian on your system would be to use 
the testing net-install cd-image. It will/should automagically 
make the connection for you assuming your router is using dhcp 
and your having a good day.


If a net installation of testing is at all possible, that is by 
far your best option. The stable version of debian (sarge) that 
you're trying to install is about to be replaced by Etch 
(currently testing) and there are some major changes. It would be 
much better (and a lot easier) to start out with Etch.


If that's a possibility, you can download the ISO from the 
following link. I'd use the "businesscard.iso", it's only 32mb 
and works fine.


http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/


Where can I find the Gnome or kde package on the internet, as
there are only parts, but not the whole piece on the debian website? And 
how do i download only packages from there?




If you can't net install Etch, and have to use the 14 cdroms for 
debian 3.1, you already have all the packages your looking for 
--- Gnome, KDE, GUI and thousands of others.


I have tried the dselect function, and it works, but it looks like 
there's just no GUI on the cd's, because debian sees them, but they're 
not there. Its really weird. 


I'm assuming you went right down the list for dselect... Access, 
Update, Select, etc.. Strange, they should have showed up.


What is the purpose of having 14 cds for
downloading when only the 1st two are necessary and have the basic 
utilities?




Actually, how many cds you need depends on what programs you wish 
to load with your system. I'll bet you use most of the 14 before 
your done. I've loaded Etch (20 cds) on a computer without an 
internet connection and I needed bits and pieces from all 20.


Let's make sure of where we are in the installation.

After you did the "apt-cdrom add" for all 14 cds, your 
sources.list (/etc/apt/sources.list) should contain the cdrom 
locations for all the packages you need. You might take a look at 
it just to make sure.


Maybe even comment/edit out all the lines that are not the 14 
cdroms to eliminate any conflicts.


If your sources.list is correct you could also try "tasksel" at 
the command prompt, select desktop environment, and then insert 
the cdroms as asked. I believe that will work but have never used 
it since I manually select packages.


Also as Debian Users, we want to keep this tread alive through 
the list so that others can add additional help and/or benefit 
from the discussion, so I'm posting this through the list and 
also CCing you.


Good Luck
John






Thanks again

Toshko

*/John C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:



Toshko wrote:
 > Hi,
 > I have just installed debian 3.1, and have all the 14 cds.
however, i
 > do not know which one the GUI is on, and how to load the cds from
the
 > text interface for that matter. Can you help me please?

It's been a while since I've used it, but I believe you want the
apt-cdrom package. It adds cds to your sources.list so that you
can install packages from the cds much like you would from a web
archive.

There are several good ways of building your system from the cds,
but since you're using a text interface, the older dselect method
of installing your packages will probably work the easiest.

Once you've loaded all the cds into your sources.list using the
command "apt-cdrom add" as root, then use "dselect" with apt as
the access method and start selecting the packages you want.

As I've said it's been a while since I used this method, so by
all means read the man pages for "apt-cdrom" and "dselect" before
you start.

Good Luck.
John







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Re: Debian GUI

[John C]

Toshko wrote:

Hi,
I have just installed debian 3.1, and have all the 14 cds. however, i 
do  not know which one the GUI is on, and how to load the cds from the 
text interface for that matter. Can you help me please?


It's been a while since I've used it, but I believe you want the 
apt-cdrom package. It adds cds to your sources.list so that you 
can install packages from the cds much like you would from a web 
archive.


There are several good ways of building your system from the cds, 
but since you're using a text interface, the older dselect method 
of installing your packages will probably work the easiest.


Once you've loaded all the cds into your sources.list using the 
command "apt-cdrom add" as root, then use "dselect" with apt as 
the access method and start selecting the packages you want.


As I've said it's been a while since I used this method, so by 
all means read the man pages for "apt-cdrom" and "dselect" before 
you start.


Good Luck.
John






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Re: OT

[John C]

Joey is absolutely right, but the OT posters just keep going and 
going and going and in the process they are degrading the 
usefulness of this list.


Don't misunderstand me, I certainly don't mind OT posts now and 
then. Some are useful, some are amusing, and occasionally some 
are even intelligent.  However, when the weigh of all the 
bullshit begins to overwhelm the list it's time to throttle back.


Unfortunately the hints to throttle back do not seem to be 
getting through to many of a select group who respond with 
disdain to any polite request for them to slow down.


Their mindset appears to be something like...

"I post a lot and that means I'm important so the rest of you can 
just go to hell and figure out how to block me"


Kind of childishly selfish for otherwise talented people.

Oh the other hand, over the many years I've been on this list, 
I've always found input from Joey Hess to be very valuable and 
IMHO his leaving would be a considerable loss.


Perhaps it's time for all of us to ask ourselves why Joey (and 
many others) feel that this list has become less useful over the 
last few years.


John


Joey Hess wrote:


I read this list because I feel that it's important that DDs are
available to help users with problems that other users may not
efficiently help them with. And I've been on this list long enough to
know that many of the people who hope to get help here do not have the
tools or experience in ignoring cruft that I have. If this list stops
being generally useful, I will find some other forum to help users in.




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Re: top post fixer?

[John C]

Steve Lamb wrote:

John C wrote:

It's kinda like a religious fanaticism... "everyone should act and
believe like I do". And yes, you're absolutely right - there is too much
bile being spewed at top posters.


No, it's not.  It's called a convention for communicating with one
another.  Do you call it religious fanaticism that everyone is taught the
language of the location they were born?  I certainly don't, I called it an
education.  Simply put top-posting marks the poster as uneducated in how to
communicate online, period.


Wow! and you don't think that's fanaticism?? :-)



I'll just cut out the "so-called" facts over which you and I will 
never agree. (I've heard them all before-thank you)  Let's just 
say that I never use a computer in a pitch black room, it's 
always well lighted.




The point of this discussion is that users are being turned off 
by the insistence that they should only post in the manner that 
the "educated" think they should - "bottom posting only please."


There are valid reason to correct posters that use html, long 
lines, attachments, etc. All are violations of the code of 
conduct for the Debian mailing lists - Top posting is not.


Correcting someone who happens to top-post on this list is 
nothing other than imposing the personal preference of the 
individual doing the correcting.


If it's the will of all of us, put in the the code of conduct. 
Until then let's just drop the subject and quit correcting users, 
it's getting dangerously close to the definition of a flame war :-)


 

Kind of related.

My apologies to Francis and Paul for accidentally "CC"ing them on 
my earlier posting - that *is* a violation of the code of conduct.


John







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Re: top post fixer?

[John C]

It's kinda like a religious fanaticism... "everyone should act 
and believe like I do". And yes, you're absolutely right - there 
is too much bile being spewed at top posters.


So which is best, top posting or bottom posting?  Who knows? Who 
&^%^% cares? I certainly don't. On this list however, I normally 
bottom post primarily because a good deal of the folks on Debian 
User (many of them extremely helpful members) seem to have a 
problem following the thread if it's top posted.


Or at least it seems that way. :)

This argument reminds me of the fuss over xterm backgrounds many 
years ago.


The fanatics insisted that the background should be black and the 
text white because that was the "natural" way to view a computer 
screen. It was the way that it would always remain. Of course, 
when I went to my office supply store and tried to buy some black 
paper and white ink they thought I was crazy.


I notice that the Gnome terminal now defaults to black on white.

Now if I could only figure out how to post sideways ;-)

John




Francis Healy wrote:
I'm dodging the bile being spewed at top posters.  Bottom line, top 
posting is not evil.  Scrool down if you want to read the original message.


*/Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

John C wrote:

 >> I would rather be exposed to the inconvenience attending too
much Liberty
 >> than those attending too small degree of it.
 >> - Thomas Jefferson
 >
 > If you really believe this quote, why do you insist that bottom
 > posting is the only correct way to go?

Because the top-posters are willing to exchange liberty to top post for
liberty to have an audience?



Absolutely!




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Re: [OT] Re: top post fixer?

[John C]

celejar wrote:

On 1/22/07, Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:25:23AM -0600, John C wrote:
> >I would rather be exposed to the inconvenience attending too much 
Liberty

> >than those attending too small degree of it.
> >  - Thomas Jefferson


[snip]


> By the way, I do love the quote. :-)

So did I, as soon as I saw it.  There are a lot of similarly great
quotes from Jefferson and his friends, but this is one of the few that I
can fit into a 4-line .sig.  :)


I would respectfully differ. This sort of thing is stirring but
somewhat content-free. We all agree that giving up too much liberty
for too little security is a really Bad Idea, and we also all agree
that giving up a bit of liberty for increased security is essential
(does anyone believe that nuclear weapons should be  commercially
available and totally unregulated?). The great political questions are
ultimately those of degree, which of course does not mean that they
aren't profoundly important. I make the same objection to the famous
Ben Franklin quote about "those who would give up essential liberty"
[0].

Celejar

[0] http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin



Oooops.. there I was about to answer Dave's post with a "I can 
live with persuasion :)" type comment, when you point out that we 
are drifting into a almost political discussion.


Then you pick on one of my favorite Franklin quotes and bring us 
to the edge of a Nucular war.:(


That was good  :)

Oh well! since a political discussion does not belong on this 
list, I'll drop it. :)


Cheers.
John




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Re: top post fixer?

[John C]

I would rather be exposed to the inconvenience attending too much Liberty
than those attending too small degree of it.
  - Thomas Jefferson


If you really believe this quote, why do you insist that bottom 
posting is the only *correct* way to go?


By the way, I do love the quote. :-)

John


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Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

[John C]

John Hasler wrote:

John C writes:

By the way several users have stated that it's not about DRM. That may very
well be true, but I have still not found anything that confirmed that
Debian has accepted and/or found that the DRM restrictions did not
apply.


As I understand it GFDL documents with no "invariant sections", no "front
cover texts" and no "back cover texts" are DFSG-compliant.  IIRC GFDL
documents with these optional features but with permission to delete them
are also DFSG-compliant.

I don't know what you mean by "...I have still not found anything that
confirmed that Debian has accepted and/or found that the DRM restrictions
did not apply."



It meant that I was still unsure if the Section 2 restriction on 
distributing copies on DRM-protected software was still a problem.


After re-reading the link sent to me by Andrew Saunders covering 
the vote on that section - I understand that that section of the 
GFDL was voted as being in compliance with the DFSG.


Thank you again Andrew, I had misread it the first time.

John







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Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

[John C]

Kevin Mark wrote:

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On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 04:21:31PM -0600, John C wrote:

Many in the Free Software Movement consider Debian and Ubuntu to 
be not "free" enough because they contain "non-free" software. 
It's one of the prime reasons for the startup of gNewSense.


Are you saying that there is FSF- defined "non-free" software in Debian?
Please identify this.

I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying that there are many Free 
Software proponents who consider the "non-free" designated 
software as exactly that - non-free. Perhaps "not free enough" 
would be a better way of putting it.


Personally, I like and want to keep the non-free portion of 
Debian exactly the way it is.


Evidence of the thinking I'm talking about can be found in the 
FAQ of gNewSense. One of the reasons given for starting the 
distribution is to get rid of all the non-free that is in Ubuntu 
and even in Debian. It specifically mentions Debians non-free 
software and some non-free bits in the kernel. Not sure exactly 
what their problem was with the kernel. Their statement in the 
FAQ is in no way derogatory towards Debian. It is more of a "we 
can do it even better" type statement.



There was an issue that RMS did not like the Debian installer mentioning
'non-free' repos and that Debian should not have offically hosted repos
for non-dfsg software. The former issue was done. The latter, iirc, was
not, but Debian states that it only supports DFSG software and devs
dont spend much if any time on non-DFSG software as its not the Debian
priority to develop DFSG software in favor of non-DFSG software.

And the idea of gNewSense is rather strange: take 16000 DFSG softwares, fork
1000 of them, add better desktop integration for these 1000 apps, add
non-DFSG bits, call it Ubuntu then remove the non-ubuntu-free bits and
call it gNewSense.


We are in total agreement here.


which is sort of like using Debian but with better desktop integration
and less apps.


I downloaded their live cd just for kicks, but have not tried 
their full disto. Based on what I've seen so far, I'm not sure 
they do have better desktop integration.  But they definatly have 
fewer applications.


John


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Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

[John C]

Andrew Saunders wrote:

On 1/18/07, John C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


By the way several users have stated that it's not about DRM.
That may very well be true, but I have still not found anything
that confirmed that Debian has accepted and/or found that the DRM
restrictions did not apply.


Again: http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 confirms that the
Debian developers decided that "[GFDL'd] works that don't include any
Invariant Sections, Cover Texts, Acknowledgements, and Dedications (or
that do, but permission to remove them is explicitly granted), are
suitable for the main component of our distribution." The DRM-related
portions of the GFDL were not deemed sufficient grounds for exclusion
of GFDL'd material from main. As others have already stated, DRM has
nothing to do with the removal of the bash documentation.

Cheers,


Thank you Andrew
John


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Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

[John C]

Greg Folkert wrote:

On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 16:21 -0600, John C wrote:

John Hasler wrote:

John writes:

So I find it ironic (and a little absurd) that a disagreement over who's
more free than the other has resulted in Debian moving GNU documentation
into the non-free area in order to protect the freedom of DRM media to
restrict the rights of others.

You aren't making any sense.

I'm not??

Hu...It wouldn't be the first time, but let me simplify and 
try again. :-)


Debian says ... "The only path to truly free software is to 
follow the DFSG - it's perfect."


FSF say "The only path to truly free software is to follow 
the GFDL - it's perfect."


Many in the Free Software Movement consider Debian and Ubuntu to 
be not "free" enough because they contain "non-free" software. 
It's one of the prime reasons for the startup of gNewSense.


Debian considers the FSF GFDL to be not "free" enough so 
documentation that is GFDL is moved into the section of 
distribution that the Free Software folks think should not even 
be there Huh!


You don't think that's ironic??  I certainly do.

By the way several users have stated that it's not about DRM. 
That may very well be true, but I have still not found anything 
that confirmed that Debian has accepted and/or found that the DRM 
restrictions did not apply. It could be that I read rapidly right 
past that info, but my brain began to hurt again so I quit.


Excuse me John C,

Have you read the GFDL? Then compared it DFSG? I think not.


The answers are Yes, Yes and your thinking is faulty.


Until you understand why those GFDL pieces deemed not acceptable are
that way


I've read much of the rational given for deeming some pieces not 
acceptable. Some I agree with, some I do not agree with, and some 
I am just not clear about. I figure that puts me on a par with 
most Debian users and maybe even some developers.


Of course, I'm certainly not on a par with you. You totally 
understand all the issues.


, please be quiet.

Obviously there are some tender toes out there.  Did I step on 
yours?  Else why would this bother you so much?




Until you can see BOTH sides of an argument, you cannot win either side
over, nor make a convincing statement for one side or the other.



You're just not paying attention Greg. I don't remember trying to 
*win* for either side. If you think I was, ask yourself which 
side it was and then ask yourself why *you* think that.



I'm just the user in the middle pointing out the irony of the 
situation and worrying why two organizations that I respect seem 
to be drifting apart.



Please you are not making a good reputation, just one that complains.


Wow! That worries me a lot.

By the way Greg, since you are up on the subject, can you confirm 
 that the DRM restrictive language in the GFDL is no longer a 
problem.




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Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

[John C]

John Hasler wrote:

John writes:

So I find it ironic (and a little absurd) that a disagreement over who's
more free than the other has resulted in Debian moving GNU documentation
into the non-free area in order to protect the freedom of DRM media to
restrict the rights of others.


You aren't making any sense.


I'm not??

Hu...It wouldn't be the first time, but let me simplify and 
try again. :-)


Debian says ... "The only path to truly free software is to 
follow the DFSG - it's perfect."


FSF say "The only path to truly free software is to follow 
the GFDL - it's perfect."


Many in the Free Software Movement consider Debian and Ubuntu to 
be not "free" enough because they contain "non-free" software. 
It's one of the prime reasons for the startup of gNewSense.


Debian considers the FSF GFDL to be not "free" enough so 
documentation that is GFDL is moved into the section of 
distribution that the Free Software folks think should not even 
be there Huh!


You don't think that's ironic??  I certainly do.

By the way several users have stated that it's not about DRM. 
That may very well be true, but I have still not found anything 
that confirmed that Debian has accepted and/or found that the DRM 
restrictions did not apply. It could be that I read rapidly right 
past that info, but my brain began to hurt again so I quit.


John









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Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

[John C]

Is it possible to be a Debian user and not having heard about all the
fuss surrounding the GFDL? ;-)

http://wiki.debian.org/GFDLPositionStatement



Of course it's not possible - it's been a loud fuss - and I've 
also read several position papers from both Debian and the Free 
Software Foundation. But, as I've said earlier, I'm a layman and 
not a lawyer so all it's done so far is make my brain hurt :-)


I do know that I'm strongly pro-GNU, pro-Debian and anti-
DRM. So I find it ironic (and a little absurd) that a 
disagreement over who's more free than the other has resulted in 
Debian moving GNU documentation into the non-free area in order 
to protect the freedom of DRM media to restrict the rights of others.


John







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Re: wireless adapter/card recommendations?

[John C]

Wayne Topa wrote:





In an effort to save you the pain of a smashing a good wireless card,
I rushed to my wifi library, found what I though to be a match, and
rushed to get to you before you completed the deed.  These old eyes
are not what they used to be.  I'm glad you already knew about the
443PI.  In the future I will try to remember to go back and read the
entire thread before writing.

Sorry for the error on my part.

Wayne


Thanks for trying Wayne.

John


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Re: wireless adapter/card recommendations?

[John C]

celejar wrote:

On 1/18/07, Wayne Topa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]


The TRENDnet TEW-423PI is listed on
 as working perfectly with
madwifi on Debian.

Wayne


There are 2 revisions of the 423PI; one with the TI ACX111 that has
linux support and one with a Marvell chipset unsupported by linux [0].
The 423PI is NOT listed on the Madwifi compatibility page; the 443PI
is (I wrote part of the entry). I use the 443PI which does indeed work
perfectly with madwifi.

Celejar

[0] http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_part.php?brandname=TRENDware


Naturally, the one I purchased turned out to have a Marvell 
chipset. But I do feel a lot better now that I've vented my 
frustration with my sledgehammer :)


John



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Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?

[John C]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,


It looks like another case of the Debian/GNU policy conflict.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=357260


Oh dear
As a engineer, all this legal stuff is quite !"%£$" for me :(

'The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers'
 (Henry VI, Act IV, Scene II)


I'm certainly not a lawer, but it seems to this layman that if a 
reference to the Free Software Foundation and it's licensing 
under the GFDL is cause enough to move a package to non-free in 
order to protect the use of DRM media, there is something 
seriously wrong with the process.


Debian is and has been my distribution for many years primarially 
because it is (was?) the most *GNU* distribution available.


Have we changed?

John Carline
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [ANNOUNCE] tdapp-defaults: localization and themeing

[John C]

Michelle Konzack wrote:

Dear Debian Developers, Mentors, Womens, Contributors and Users,

first of all Happy new Year and may this new year bring us many new ideas
and continuing best GNU/Linux distribution of the world.


Happy New Year Michelle!


Since my Website was closed for 16 month (I have to much critic for
the french governement) by french authorities I have currently only a
60 MByte Homepage at 
You find Screenshoots by klicking the link to "tdapp-defaults".


Have you angered another government? :)

I can't seem to get to your homepage.

John


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Re: wireless adapter/card recommendations?

[John C]

Micha Feigin wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:11:41 -0600
John C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



celejar wrote:

On 1/9/07, John C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi folks,

I'm in the process of changing my home network from wired to
wireless and am trying to find a card for a desktop that will
work effortlessly with etch/sid.

Preferably one whose drivers are already available as part of
debian.

So far I've not done well and purchased one that did not work. It
turned out to have a Marvel Technology chip that is unusable
(education can be expensive).

What I'm looking for is a wireless adapter that will work with a
802.11g 54Mbps router. I'd prefer an internal PCI card, but an
external USB would also be fine.

Any and all suggestions would be welcome before I go shopping again.

Thanks.
John

1) This [0] is an unbeatable resource.
2) Madwifi [1] is terrific code, albeit unfree (it's in Debian
non-free). Cards that claim support for 108 Mbps probably use Atheros
chips that are supported by Madwifi, since 108 is a proprietary
Atheros extension to the 802.11g standard (you don't have to enable
108 [Turbo], of course]. I believe something similar holds for 125
Mbps and Broadcom chipsets.

Celejar

[0] http://linux-wless.passys.nl/
[1] madwifi.org



Thanks everyone for the responses.

It doesn't look like anything wireless works right out-of-the-box 
with Linux - at least not yet.  But the link above looks like a 
good resource.




I use a msi, pci ralink based card. It works fine. There is a free driver, not
in the kernel, experimental, but works for me in ad-hoc mode, didn't try master
mode. There is a debian package for the serialmonkey driver
http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com aptitude search ~dralink

I have a usb card based on ralink (from level 1) but that either locks the
machine or doesn't work.

A safer approach is probably to get a wireless router so there is no software
problem, but you still need support for each of the wireless machines.


I think I'll go shopping now.

John


Well, just to continue the saga,

I've been shopping 

I now own two wireless PCI adapters. Neither of which wants to 
talk to my wireless router.


I bought a Zyxel ZyAIR G-302.  Hey! It had a Penguin on the box 
that made me feel all warm and fuzzy. How could I resist?


Unfortunately when I opened the box there was little support for 
linux users. It does however have a RealTek RTL8185L chip which 
is supposed to work using the serialmonkey driver mentioned 
above. No luck so far. Any one have one working?


I would have preferred a ralink chip since they appear to be 
better supported. But buying wireless adapters is like buying a 
box of Cracker Jacks... You never know what the prize inside is 
until you open the box.


After a few days of frustration, the closest I've come is with 
ndiswrapper and the windows XP drivers that were on the 
installation CD. Everything *appears* to be working, but I can 
not get the card to talk to the router. I've tried DHCP, manual 
settings and to eliminate a possible hareware problem I even went 
so far as to boot a windows 2000 partition on the same computer 
to see if it works with windows... it does. Gawd, that was painful.



My current plan of attack is:

1) Take the first card I bought (TRENDnet TEW-423PI) and smash it 
with a sledgehammer... It does not deserve to live.


2) Drink a few gin and tonics.

3) Box all this wireless garbage up until I calm down.

4) Drink a few gin and tonics.

5) In two or three months, I'll try again.

Thanks all
John


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Re: [OT] Re:This URL crashes Konqueror.....?

[John C]

 Every authoritative opinion I've read on the subject supports 
these points.



"authoritative opinion" = the opinion expressed matches the 
opinion of the receiver. It has little to do with reality.


But what has all this got to do with debian? linux? the OP's 
question?


If we try real hard maybe we can keep political viewpoints out of 
the list.




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Re: wireless adapter/card recommendations?

[John C]

celejar wrote:

On 1/9/07, John C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi folks,

I'm in the process of changing my home network from wired to
wireless and am trying to find a card for a desktop that will
work effortlessly with etch/sid.

Preferably one whose drivers are already available as part of
debian.

So far I've not done well and purchased one that did not work. It
turned out to have a Marvel Technology chip that is unusable
(education can be expensive).

What I'm looking for is a wireless adapter that will work with a
802.11g 54Mbps router. I'd prefer an internal PCI card, but an
external USB would also be fine.

Any and all suggestions would be welcome before I go shopping again.

Thanks.
John


1) This [0] is an unbeatable resource.
2) Madwifi [1] is terrific code, albeit unfree (it's in Debian
non-free). Cards that claim support for 108 Mbps probably use Atheros
chips that are supported by Madwifi, since 108 is a proprietary
Atheros extension to the 802.11g standard (you don't have to enable
108 [Turbo], of course]. I believe something similar holds for 125
Mbps and Broadcom chipsets.

Celejar

[0] http://linux-wless.passys.nl/
[1] madwifi.org



Thanks everyone for the responses.

It doesn't look like anything wireless works right out-of-the-box 
with Linux - at least not yet.  But the link above looks like a 
good resource.


I think I'll go shopping now.

John


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wireless adapter/card recommendations?

[John C]

Hi folks,

I'm in the process of changing my home network from wired to 
wireless and am trying to find a card for a desktop that will 
work effortlessly with etch/sid.


Preferably one whose drivers are already available as part of 
debian.


So far I've not done well and purchased one that did not work. It 
turned out to have a Marvel Technology chip that is unusable 
(education can be expensive).


What I'm looking for is a wireless adapter that will work with a 
802.11g 54Mbps router. I'd prefer an internal PCI card, but an 
external USB would also be fine.


Any and all suggestions would be welcome before I go shopping again.

Thanks.
John


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Re: New Debian user

[John C]

Niels Rasmussen wrote:

Oh boy oh boy  :-)

Well i did use the graphical installer which is quite nice despite
some translations hickups ! It was all a matter of hitting Enter and
Space and define some password for root and user. Apparantly it did
find it all... BUT:

Right now I in the console running single-user mode (writing from my
wife's laptop).

2 things to do, to make it right (at the moment):

1. When install finished, I got in to my user account just to be told
that it didn't find my screen (AARGH)

2. I couldn't sudo, because I wasn't in the sudoers (AGH)

So as of # 1
I'm going to do the ATI > VESA trick and download the fglrx driver
stuff and run the aticonfig command.
But is this the right thing to do ?? Tried to install 'mc' but it
looks quite awfull.
It's obvious that my debian dont like ATI graphic cards :-(
What do everyone else do that have the same graphic card ?? ATI Radeon 
X700.


As of # 2
What is the syntax of the sudoers file ?? Or is there a smarter linux
command that'll do the trick ? (my linux capabilities has got quite
rusty over the years :-)


Any help are highly appreciated !



when I used the GUI install for etch, it left me with a VESA 
driver which did not work well for my radeon 9600 (it did find a 
screen though). Editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and changing vesa to 
"radeon" cured my problem . Not sure about your card, but it 
might be worth a try.


The fglrx drived caused me nothing but problems since I run sid 
and upgrade constantly.



John


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Re: Changing cable modum to ADSL modum.

[John C]

Russell L. Harris wrote:

* Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [061216 17:13]:

Hi John,
from my experience, most ISP use a device that outputs plain ole
ethernet. My dsl service use a westell 6100. I'd suspect that it just
uses ethernet with no PPPOE. Which means, as you suspect, you just plug
it in and wait for the dhcp to connect. So IIRC the gnome desktop has a
tool to setup dhcp. Or else find someway to get /etc/network/interfaces
setup. (man interfaces for help).


Here in Houston, SW Bell uses PPPoE, unless you pay extra.  Newer
modems can handle PPPoE; otherwise, PPPoE must be handled in software,
and is a nuisance.

I neglected to mention that SmoothWall also handles PPPoE, and can act
as a DHCP server for the LAN.

RLH



You really do like SmoothWall don't you Kevin.

It may be a wonderful program, but I don't see how it can help me 
unless I send her another computer as a firewall... :)


I'd rather not do that.
Thanks
John


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Re: Changing cable modum to ADSL modum.

[John C]

Kevin Mark wrote:

On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 01:09:44PM -0600, John C wrote:

Hi all,

I'm looking for a simple way for a windows-only user to change a 
computer's network settings from a cable modem to an ADSL modem.


I was under the impression that my granddaughter, who lives 
hundreds of miles from me, had a cable ISP. In an attempt to 
educate the next generation, I've sent her a computer fully 
loaded and configured with Etch.  I used a netinstall through my 
home system's router (cable modem) with a manual IP 
addressnot DHCP.


Oooops... I was wrong, their network connnection is through a 
ADSL modem.


I suspect that she could make the change using the Network 
administration tool of the Gnome network Settings, but since I'm 
not familiar with ADSL or with that tool, I'd rather not have her 
try without some confirmation.


If not that tool, perhaps dpkg-reconfigure  ?

I know that on my box, the following files at least need to 
change. Any others?


/etc/resolv.conf
/etc/networks
/etc/networks/interfaces

I also suspect that I'll have to have her do a dpkg install of 
pppoe for the network administration tool to work.  Is that true?


Thanks for any help.


Hi John,
from my experience, most ISP use a device that outputs plain ole
ethernet. My dsl service use a westell 6100. I'd suspect that it just
uses ethernet with no PPPOE. Which means, as you suspect, you just plug
it in and wait for the dhcp to connect. So IIRC the gnome desktop has a
tool to setup dhcp. Or else find someway to get /etc/network/interfaces
setup. (man interfaces for help).
Cheers,
Kev


Thanks,

I hope it's that easy...

I don't use gnome myself, but the gnome network tool looks fairly 
easy to use. I guess I'll know soon.




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Re: Changing cable modum to ADSL modum.

[John C]

Douglas Tutty wrote:

* John C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [061216 13:13]:

Hi all,

I'm looking for a simple way for a windows-only user to change a 
computer's network settings from a cable modem to an ADSL modem.


I was under the impression that my granddaughter, who lives 
hundreds of miles from me, had a cable ISP. In an attempt to 
educate the next generation, I've sent her a computer fully 
loaded and configured with Etch.  I used a netinstall through my 
home system's router (cable modem) with a manual IP 
addressnot DHCP.


Oooops... I was wrong, their network connnection is through a 
ADSL modem.


I suspect that she could make the change using the Network 
administration tool of the Gnome network Settings, but since I'm 
not familiar with ADSL or with that tool, I'd rather not have her 
try without some confirmation.


If not that tool, perhaps dpkg-reconfigure  ?

I know that on my box, the following files at least need to 
change. Any others?


/etc/resolv.conf
/etc/networks
/etc/networks/interfaces

I also suspect that I'll have to have her do a dpkg install of 
pppoe for the network administration tool to work.  Is that true?


If you have a copy of the config still with you, why not write a shell
script that does it?  If she has install media to get the ppoe pkg
you're in luck but if not, you may have to send her all the necessary
debs.

Your shell script could then use dpkg to install ppoe (I don't know if
this is needed since I'm on dialup), and save existing files in
/var/local/backup, then copy the new config files into place.

If the only difference is that one uses static info and the other DHCP,
wouldn't changing /etc/network/interfaces do it?  


This could all be tar.bz2 together and emailed to her.  She could
extract it and run your script.  You could test the functioning of your
script if you put her existing config in a chroot.

Alternatively, snailmail her a regular phone modem so you can dial into her
box and do it yourself.

Doug.




I can email whatever debs are required through their primary home 
computer, and I like the idea of a tarball if all else fails.


Thanks


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Changing cable modum to ADSL modum.

[John C]

Hi all,

I'm looking for a simple way for a windows-only user to change a 
computer's network settings from a cable modem to an ADSL modem.


I was under the impression that my granddaughter, who lives 
hundreds of miles from me, had a cable ISP. In an attempt to 
educate the next generation, I've sent her a computer fully 
loaded and configured with Etch.  I used a netinstall through my 
home system's router (cable modem) with a manual IP 
addressnot DHCP.


Oooops... I was wrong, their network connnection is through a 
ADSL modem.


I suspect that she could make the change using the Network 
administration tool of the Gnome network Settings, but since I'm 
not familiar with ADSL or with that tool, I'd rather not have her 
try without some confirmation.


If not that tool, perhaps dpkg-reconfigure  ?

I know that on my box, the following files at least need to 
change. Any others?


/etc/resolv.conf
/etc/networks
/etc/networks/interfaces

I also suspect that I'll have to have her do a dpkg install of 
pppoe for the network administration tool to work.  Is that true?


Thanks for any help.

John Carline



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Re: No xterm (or equivalents) immediately accessible in default etch

[John C]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We in Linux heavily use the command-line. 
So, I was dismayed when my new Debian etch version displayed a Gnome
interface WITHOUT ANY XTERM (or GNOME-TERMINAL or KONSOLE) 
and not even any immediate panel options for these terminals.


Gnome's "Add to Panel" includes a trashcan and a file-manager just like
Microsoft, but not one of Unix's foundations -- a text terminal.
I eventually kludged a gnome-terminal icon onto the Gnome panel.
Or I can
   Applications -> Accessories --> Terminal
but this should not be the primary approach to command-line entries.

Yes, once I have a gnome-terminal running, future logins re-deploy it,
and that's actually an improvement to making inclusions in ~/.xsession 
(although Gnome drops some applications from later logins as Sun did

10 years ago).

THE XTERM (or its equivalent) SHOULD BE IN MY FACE 
THE VERY FIRST TIME I LOGIN, 
requiring at most a single obvious mouse click.




Gee whiz

I really don't understand why you would complain or what the 
problem is?  All you have to do is click on "My Computer" and 
then go to "My Documents". If you have a problem the little 
wizard will come out and fix everything for you.


Why in the world would anyone want to know how something works or 
be able to control the program themselves using an xterm?


Won't it be just peachy keen wonderful when the linux desktop 
looks, feels, and operates "exactly" like Windows XP?


I won't ever have to think again ...

What a beautiful new world..



You're absolutely correct. The xterm should be "IN MY FACE" every 
time I log on. (it does on my box) Unfortunately the linux 
community is sliding down the "commercially" driven "one desktop 
fits all" slope, so that once all the desktops are basically the 
same, commercial developers will be able to write/sell programs 
that will play on all linux distros.


What I don't understand is why the FSF and Debian are both going 
down this same garden path.


Is the goal to have linux users become just as brain dead as 
windows users?


I've been running debian since "bo" and the days of Captain 
blue-eye, but it's becoming harder every day to keep a system 
running without using either Gnome or KDE ...


IMHO they both suck.

One of the greatest features of linux *was* that each individuals 
desktop was as different as that individual. The box looked, 
operated, and sounded the way that user wanted it too.


Now it seems that individuality is out-of-style and every useful 
tool/program that is not part of gnome/kde is being pushed 
out-of-the-way or becoming "depreciated".


I'm beginning to hate that word.


John


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Install of VMware

[John C. Plummer]

Hi,
Found in the archives that others have loaded vmware on Debian 2.2
w/o too much difficulty.
But I had one small problem trying with the install of the current
release for Linux.  It did not
find any prebuilt vmnet modules that worked and wanted to build one.
When it asked for the
headers location I gave it /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.12.
It erred with a message that there might be a slight inconsistency
between the current
kernel and the source headers.  Its recommendation was to rebuild the
kernel with those
headers.  However, rebuilding kernels is a little out of my league right
now.
Using apt-get update and upgrade and trying again did not change the
situation.  Any
suggestions.  Should I supply a different location?  Should I download
and supply a different
library?  Thanks in advance for your support.  If you guys are ever near
Johnstown, PA, the
pizzas on us.
jcp

Re: new logo on debian.org

[John C. Ellingboe]

Khalid EZZARAOUI wrote:
> 
> "John C. Ellingboe" wrote:
> 
> >
> > I'm with you also.  The chick connected us with Linux but the new logo
> > doesnt do anything for me at all.
> >
> > John C. Ellingboe
> 
> don't you never see a Genius going out from it's lantern ?
> like Aladin's story
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I kinda understand the logo.  The new logo is ok I guess, but it
doesn't seem to connect me to anything Linux like the chick did.

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Re: new logo on debian.org

[John C. Ellingboe]

John Foster wrote:
> 
> andreas pålsson wrote:
> >
> > I saw the new logo on www.debian.org and I'm curious..
> > Exactly what is it supposed to symbolize?
> >
> > I don't have much of an artistic mind, but to me it looks like a pigs
> > tail.
> 
> I do not care for it either. maybe there is more to the logo (as a
> symbol) than we realize. For now I will stay with the Penguin, more
> recognizable.
> --
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> 
I'm with you also.  The chick connected us with Linux but the new logo
doesnt do anything for me at all.

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Re: We need centralized accounts -- Any docs for ldap passwords?

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hello,

Have you looked into Freeside at http://www.sisd.com/freeside.  Its is
for ISP admin/billing and may provide what you want.

John C. Ellingboe
www.guntersville.net


Sergey V Kovalyov wrote:
> 
> > > libpam-ldap will allow password change. The rest have to be done
> > > manually (or through some customized software. I am considering
> > > Ganymede.)  Although there is a nice package pam-mkhomedir that will
> > > automatically create homedirs (and copy /etc/skel stuff) if it does
> > > not exist.
> >
> > Where can I find that script?
> It is a package in potato.
> 
> > I think we're going to go with ldap, so I'm going to have to figure
> > out how we want to handle adding/deleting users, etc.  I suppose I'll
> > just whip up some scripts, but I wouldn't mind having a good one as a
> > reference.
> 
> Yea, I am in exactly the same situation as you are. And I am looking at a
> good way to administer the users etc. Unfortunately, I can't find a
> working solution (or one requiring minimal changes). What I gathered so
> far:
>  - Ganymede: java based administration tool, keeps its own database, would
>require you to buid your own classes to upload to LDAP. I have not been
>able to make Ganymede work so far;
>  - Webmin: perl based cgi scripts. LDAP stuff has to be done from scratch;
>  - linuxconf has a ldapconf module. Very early in the development and so
>far mostly deals with configuring slaps instead of administering the
>users. Did not manage to test it (guess need more time to play with
>linuxconf)
> 
> > First I need to look in to ldap and see what the tools are
> > for editing the database from the command line (if that's possible).
> 
> Sure. There are utilities to do everithing (search, change, add, etc.)
> They are part of openldap-* packages. There is also very convenient "gq"
> (also in patato) which allows you to brows you directory and add/modified
> entries (though not suitable for real administration).
> 
> Keep me informed of your findings.
> 
> Sergey.
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Re: Bigbrother question

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hey Christian,

I'm sure that you will find some BB users here, but if you send Email
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message line "subscribe bb
(your e-mail address)" without the quotes you will be added to the bb
mailing list and get all kinds of info on setting up Big Brother.  You
may also want to go to the bb-dnld area and get version 1.2a since it
is much improved from the 1.08 that is in the .deb file.

John C. Ellingboe
www.guntersville.net


Christian Dysthe wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have installed the Bigbrother deb, but after having spent hourrs trying to
> figure this out I give up and ask here instead.
> 
> What I wonder is how I make "manual page" and "html history" work? I am trying
> to set the path statements in the files that go in cgi-bin, but no go! I just
> can't get this to work at all. What am I missing? When I click on the submit
> button for the maual page Netscape tries to download the script. Maybe someone
> could email me a working bb-hist.sh and bb-ack.sh file so that I can see how
> this is supposed to be done on a Debian system?
> 
> I am a sort of a Linux newbie, and setting BBHOME and BBWEB seems impossible
> for me to do right.
> 
> TIA
> 
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Re: Monitoring remote server

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hey Christian,

Big Brother 1.08 isn't unstable at all.  Go to
http://maclawran.ca/bb-dnld and get the latest tar ball (1.09b or c). 
It has many nice features and runs very well.

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Christian Dysthe wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> we have recently gotten our web server set up running Debian slink (What a
> joy!). I was wondering what the easiest way would be to monitor the
> server and get an email and/or page if the server goes down. I have seen some
> tools that are available in potato (one of them being "bigbrother"), but I 
> would
> not like to "experiment" on a web server serving 2.000.000 hits a week
> installing from unstable. The easiest would maybe be to run something on my
> workstation (Debian potato) that monitors the web server (the web server is
> only accessable for me over the Internet, no lan etc).
> 
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> TIA
> 
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Re: OFFTOPIC: How about a /dev/clipboard ?

[John C. Ellingboe]

I notice that dselect has offix-clipboard and there used to be a
xclipboard, but dselect doesent find it in stablr now.  I haven't used
either one so I can't comment on how well they work.

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Re: laser postscript BW printer versus ink jet printer.

[John C. Ellingboe]

Allan M. Wind wrote:
> 
> On 1999-05-18 09:27, Wojciech Zabolotny wrote:
> 
> > The only reason for having ink jet printer is the color (color laser
> > printers are extremely expensive :-(.
> 
> Entry level color laser printers are ~$2k and prices are dropping
> fast.  Just checked pricewatch for the fun of it:
> 
> HP DeskJet 2000 - ~$500
> HP Color LaserJet 4500 - ~$2200
> 
> There is still a big quality difference between entry level color
> laser and high end ink jet (IMHO).  Color laser technology has killed
> other high end printing options like "vax" it seems.

What does VAX have to do with color printing???  The VAX is a
Digital/Compaq computer and the forerunner to the Alpha systems.  The
VAX computer can print color just as good as any other system using
the same printer.

John C. Ellingboe
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Re: diskless box: fanless too ?

[John C. Ellingboe]

Michael Stenner wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 4 May 1999, John C. Ellingboe wrote:
> >Michael Stenner wrote:
> >> I disagree that the cpu would need a fan - I used to run a very old P60
> >> (a REALLY hot chip) without a fan (fan kept breaking...) and it was
> >> toasty but caused no problems.  If you choose a cpu that runs cool, you
> >> should be OK.  You can also look into thermoelectric (or Peltier)
> >> coolers -- no moving parts.
> >
> >You still have to get the heat (cpu + Peltier device) out of the box.
> >Even though the cpu will be cool, when using a Pelier device the box
> >will become quite toasty.  One of the heat pipe devices would be a
> >better choice.  There you would have a heatsink plate mounted on the
> >cpu and a tube running out side the case to a heatsink.
> 
> Admittedly, I may not be as cautious as I should be about these things,
> but it doesn't seem to me that the box would necessarily get
> dangerously hot.  When I was doing it, I left the box open, but as I
> said, that was a VERY hot chip.
> I've never heard of a "heat pipe", but that sounds quite nice.
> I'm a little confused: is it a true pipe (i.e. with air inside) that
> relies on convection? or is it something like a copper rod?
> 

The heat pipe works similar to a refrigeration system in that a
refrigerant is evaporated by the heat on one end and condensed on the
other end by an appropriate radiator.  A wick type material in the
tube returns the liquid back to the warm end even if it is above the
cold end.  I am sure that the heat sink above the heat source would be
more efficient though.

I ran across articles on them in some of the electronics engineering
trade magazines several years ago.  Try Electronics Design,
Electronics Design News or something similar.  There is also some
electronic component rags out there some where that may list them, but
I don't remember any names.

>
> I must also say that the suggestions about controlling the
> Peltier cooler are quite good.  You can buy a ready-made device for
> cheap.
> 
> -Michael
> 
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Re: diskless box: fanless too ?

[John C. Ellingboe]

Michael Stenner wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 3 May 1999, G. Crimp wrote:
> 
> >I have been asked to help someone learn about Linux.  So far, I have
> >installed Linux on an existing box.  I must also give advice on new
> >hardware.  One of the concerns this person has, is not having anything
> >spinning in his office.  He currently uses a diskless sparc station, which
> >is apparently also fanless since it is very very quiet.
> >
> >Does anyone know if the same is possible in the ix86 architechture ?  I know
> >I could set him up with a diskless box booting off a server in another room,
> >but could that diskless box also have a fanless powersupply ?  I figure the
> >cpu would still need its fan.  Anyone think that the absence of a fan in a
> >diskless box would cause heating problems ??
> 
> Thinking about what the power supply would need to power, if there were
> no moving parts at all, it would just have to feed the mb, chip and
> cards.  That's not tiny, but better than 2 HDs, a CDROM, and a Floppy
> (you could still probably use the cdrom and floppy since they are
> typically used "occasionally")
> 
> Were you looking to find a special power supply that didn't have a fan?
> or were you planning on "breaking" a standard power supply?
> 
> I disagree that the cpu would need a fan - I used to run a very old P60
> (a REALLY hot chip) without a fan (fan kept breaking...) and it was
> toasty but caused no problems.  If you choose a cpu that runs cool, you
> should be OK.  You can also look into thermoelectric (or Peltier)
> coolers -- no moving parts.
> 

You still have to get the heat (cpu + Peltier device) out of the box. 
Even though the cpu will be cool, when using a Pelier device the box
will become quite toasty.  One of the heat pipe devices would be a
better choice.  There you would have a heatsink plate mounted on the
cpu and a tube running out side the case to a heatsink.

> I think with an hour or so of reasearch you should have no trouble with
> a reasonable setup.
> 
> -Michael
> 
> P.S. I have a Dual PII 400 with something like 4 fans (not counting CPU
> fans) next to my desk.  Sounds like a jet engine... I'm sympathetic
> Then again, how much can you complain about a Dual PII 400?
> 
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Re: Problem with taper

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D.L.Whiteley (Dave) wrote:
> 
> Last week I upgraded one of our machines from hamm to slink. Today I
> discovered that its cron taper backup had been failing due to
> "incorrect preference file format"
> 
> Is this a random glitch or are the two events related. If so, then
> other taper users should be warned!
> 
> Dave Whiteley
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Delete the file /root/taper_prefs and start taper with the -T (tape
dev) option.  You will have to resetup your preferences.

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Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.

[John C. Ellingboe]

Back when I did use one of the Gates viruses I had problems with win9X
writeing to areas of the disk that it shouldn't.  Some of those disks
are still unusable today because of that.  I would make sure that
there were NO M$ partations on my Linux disk at all because of that. 
I would keep all of the M$ stuff on its own disk so it could never
access my Linux disks in any way.  You have been warned...

John C. Ellingboe


Person, Roderick wrote:
> 
> Hey All,
> 
> Recently, I added a new drive to my system as the slave 2nd drive.
> Therefore, I made my old drive a Win95 drive so the family could play games
> and such. Now it seems that everytime I log into my Linux drive (/dev/hdb) I
> get file system not unmount correctly errors. I fsck and get it in operating
> conditions and a day or two later i get the same errors. Could this be due
> to how other users are logging out of win95 or not logging out and just
> shuting off the machine? Drive 1 is totally win95(1.2GB) drive 2 is 5GB for
> Linux in 4 partitions and 1GB for win in one partition. Anyone having this
> problem.
> 
> Roderick P. Person
> DBA/Programmer
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Re: ip-up question

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hey Peter,

Don't change any permitions anywhere, just add yourself to the group
"dip".

John

Peter Ludwig wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Pollywog wrote:
> 
> > My /etc/ppp/ip-up does not appear to be working.  Am I correct in assuming
> > that in Debian, ip-up won't work unless it is placed in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d ?
> > I want to start fetchmail when I go online and I believe that is where my
> > script needs to be placed.
> 
> What I did to get fetchmail to run when I connected (I'm also using SLRN
> so I've got one for it as well, same theory applies).
> 
> I put a script into the ip-up.d directory called fetchmail (giving it read
> and execute access for all users) which contained a command line to run
> fetchmail (I set it up as a deamon).  Here's the script I use :-
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> #
> # Fetchmail Start Up Script
> #
> su -l -c "fetchmail -d 300" khan
> 
> #
> # End of Script
> #
> 
> That's basically all I had to do to get it running properly, now all I've
> got to do to connect is run 'pon' as root (I suppose I could run 'pon' as
> a user, but I would have to go in and change a lot of permissions, so I
> run it as root, it's just as easy).
> 
> Catch ya l8r,
> Peter Ludwig
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help Leafnode again

[John C. Ellingboe]

Thanks to Frank and Dave for setting me straight on the
/etc/host.allow entries, I thought I had Leafnode working properly.  I
was using leafnode version 1.4-10 and have now upgraded to version
1.6.2-2.

I can access leafnode from netscape on the workstation, but it can't
find the group information file.  I ran "fetch -v" and it went out to
the upstream server and requested the active list but it did nothing
with it as far as I could tell.  Per the system log it is looking for
/var/spool/news/leaf.node/groupinfo which wasn't there so I did a
touch as user news to create it, still with no joy at getting the
active groups.  Fetch and leafnode can't open 
/var/spool/news/leaf.node/groupinfo and netscape still indicates that
the group information file doesn't exist.

Suggestions please.

TIA

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Re: Need help with Leafnode/Netscape

[John C. Ellingboe]

Thank to everyone for the help.  

Leafnode put the workstation system name amd localnode in
/etc/hosts.allow.  When I put the numerical address in the file
everything works fine.

I'm sorry for the repost, the return messages got droped into a folder
that I wasn't expecting them in.  I finally found them.

John C. Ellingboe
www.guntersville.net




Frankie wrote:
> 
> Dave Swegen wrote:
> >
> > You could try going into /etc/hosts.allow and changing the hostnames for
> > leafnode so that they use numeric values instead (ie change 'localhost' to
> > '127.0.0.1'). HTH
> >
> > Cheers
> > Dave
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 04:03 -0600, John C. Ellingboe wrote:
> > > I am unable to connect to my Leafnode server from my workstation
> > > running Netscape.
> > >
> > > I an running a server system with Debian hamm and some slink packages
> > > advised by security advisories and a workstation with hamm and some
> > > slink packages including Netscape 4.06.  I have installed and
> > > configured Leafnode version 1.4 on my server system.  When I try to
> > > connect to it from my workstation system I get the following message
> > > from Netscape.
> > >
> > > An error occurred with the News server.
> > >
> > > If you are unable to connect again, contact the administrator for this
> > > server.
> 
> Is it right that you are running netscape on a different machine to
> leafnode?
> 
> I think by default it blocks all access except access from the same
> machine (so people out there don't use your machine to spam).
> 
> If you haven't changed your hosts.allow to include an entry from your
> workstation (like leafnode: 123.123.123.123), you probably want to.
> 
> Frankie
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Need help with Leafnode/Netscape

[John C. Ellingboe]

I am unable to connect to my Leafnode server from my workstation
running Netscape.

I an running a server system with Debian hamm and some slink packages
advised by security advisories and a workstation with hamm and some
slink packages including Netscape 4.06.  I have installed and
configured Leafnode version 1.4 on my server system.  When I try to
connect to it from my workstation system I get the following message
from Netscape.

An error occurred with the News server.

If you are unable to connect again, contact the administrator for this
server.

I find Leafnode itself running on the server by using "ps ax | grep
leaf*" which gives 3120  1  TWN  0.02  (leafnode).   Fetch is working
since I have a file /var/lib/leafnode/groupinfo full of the group
names and there are syslog entries.  There is an appropriate entry in
/etc/inetd.conf, nntp  stream  tcp  nowait  news  /usr/sbin/tcpd  
/usr/sbin/leafnode, and also entries in /etc/hosts.allow that was
added by the leafnode install.

Any help/suggestions are appreciated.

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Need help with Leafnode/Netscape

[John C. Ellingboe]

I am unable to connect to my Leafnode server from my workstation
running Netscape.

I an running a server system with Debian hamm and some slink packages
advised by security advisories and a workstation with hamm and some
slink packages including Netscape 4.06.  I have installed and
configured Leafnode version 1.4 on my server system.  When I try to
connect to it from my workstation system I get the following message
from Netscape.

An error occurred with the News server.

If you are unable to connect again, contact the administrator for this
server.

I find Leafnode itself running on the server by using "ps ax | grep
leaf*" which gives 3120  1  TWN  0.02  (leafnode).   Fetch is working
since I have a file /var/lib/leafnode/groupinfo full of the group
names and there are syslog entries.  There is an appropriate entry in
/etc/inetd.conf, nntp  stream  tcp  nowait  news  /usr/sbin/tcpd  
/usr/sbin/leafnode, and also entries in /etc/hosts.allow that was
added by the leafnode install.

Any help/suggestions are appreciated.

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[off topic] Video 7 video board

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hello,

Does anyone have an idea were to find the switch/jumper setup on an old
video seven 8 bit board.

John C. Ellingboe

Re: plog

[John C. Ellingboe]

Jim Foltz wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jan 14, 1999 at 10:39:25PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 1999 at 08:32:47PM -0700, Robert Kerr wrote:
> > > When I type plog I get this:
> > >
> > > tail: /var/log/ppp.log: Permission denied
> > >
> > > the attributes for ppp.log are
> > > -rw-r-   1 root adm  8305 Jan 14 20:38 /var/log/ppp.log
> > >
> > > What can I do to change this?
> >
> > You have to run plog as root. The reason that ppp.log isn't world
> > readable is that your ppp password is more than likely in the log file.
> 
> Under what conditins does the password show up? I just grep'd my
> /var/log/ppp.log for my password, andi t wasn't there. Is it because
> I use CHAP that it doesn't show up?
> 

Turn off debug and kdebug after you get things working proper.  I
believe it is kdebug that puts the userid and password in the log if I
remember correctly.

John

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Re: Winmodem?

[John C. Ellingboe]

Winmodems and windows printers only work with M$ windoze.  The drivers
are proprietary and written only for m$ stuff.

John


Brent Hueth wrote:
> 
> I've just installed the base Debian system, and haven't been able to get
> my modem to respond so I can install the rest. I found a description of
> the problem with Winmodems (my new gateway has a "US Robotics 56K
> WinModem) in the Debian installation instructions, and am just wondering
> if anything has changed since that description was written. Am I really
> hosed?
> 
> Brent
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Re: Running seperate eth0 & ppp0 networks

[John C. Ellingboe]

Lee Bradshaw wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Dec 14, 1998 at 03:29:49PM +, Ian Stuart wrote:
> > I'm trying to set up my machine to use two networks:
> >
> > I occasionally access an ISP (who requires that all non-web access is
> > done only through their modem-banks) on my workstation which is connected
> > to my academic LAN.
> >
> > what I wish to do is set up my PPP connection so that (when it is up) all
> > requests for the ISPs network is routed via ppp0, whilst all other traffic
> > is routed via eth0
> >
> > how?
> >
> > (Assume that my academic lan is the class B 129.1 and my ISP is the class
> > B 130.2)
> 
> Try something like:
> 
>   route add -net 130.2.0.0 dev ppp0
> 

This will limit your access to just the 130.2.0.0 network over ppp. 
Do 

route add -net [your local net address] dev eth0 

and use the "default route" option for ppp to get to everything on the
internet.  I ran this way for some time and it worked fine for access
to either route.

John C. Ellingboe

>
> Your default route should stay on your ethernet. I think there are ip.up
> and ip.down scripts that are executed automatically by ppp. Add the
> above line to ip.up and a similar line with delete instead of add to
> ip.down.
> 
> Untested. I'm not using ppp.
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Re: Debian installation hangs

[John C. Ellingboe]

The only lead I had to a location for slink 1440 floppy images gives
an error now.  Maybe someone else will come up with a URL.  

I'm afraid you will probably need someone with more in-depth knowledge
than me to solve the problem.

John

Mark Weston wrote:
> 
> On 10 Dec 98, at 11:17, John C. Ellingboe wrote:
> 
> > Look at the message just before the md driver message for the
> > problem.  It will probably turn out to be the disk controler doesn't
> > like being probed at boot time and is locking up.  Some systems will
> > require an entry on the "boot line" or use the tecra rescue disk like the
> > lap top systems need.  Search the archives at www.debian.org for the
> > source of a new rescue disk if you have a aha27xx disk controler. You will
> > also find sources of 1440 SLINK disks but I would not recomend them at
> > this time.
> 
> The line before the "md driver" line was the floppy controller detect, which
> worked.  And before that, was a perfectly correct detection of both IDE
> controllers and all four devices on them.  What I'll try is booting up with a
> few more combinations of hardware device disabled, to see if this works.
> 
> I've also tried the tecra disk, which does the same thing as the normal
> one.
> 
> Thanks for the warning about Slink, but I would like to at least try it (just
> to see a Debian distribution boot at least once).  If you've seen any
> *compiled* Slink 1440k disks, perhaps you could point me in their
> direction.
> 
> > Don't try to install from SLINK at this time.  Use HAMM which has 1440
> > floppy images.  SLINK has turned up with a few problems and you don't need
> > that while setting up a new system.
> >
> > John
> 
> Thanks for the help
> 
> Mark

Adaptec aha1740 errors

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hello,

I have a Dell EISA server box with a Adaptec AHA1740 controller that
has been working well for some time now.  Lately I get messages on the
console "aha1740[xx]_mbxout wait!" ,the xx is a random number, but the
system seems to be functioning properly. Is this something that I
should be concerned about or just ignore and it will go away next time
I update the system and get the new drivers.

John Ellingboe

Re: HP Laser Jet 5L anyone?

[John C. Ellingboe]

Install the HP Laser Jet 5L as a HP Laser Jet 4L in Magicfilter and it
will work proper.  Also install gs-aladdin, its fonts and other
related document converters.  Print from Netscape as postscript and
Magicfilter/Gs will convert it and send it to the printer.

John

Mark Wagnon wrote:
> 
> I've experiened similar problems and couldn't find an answer in the list
> archives. Thanks for the tip. But could you tell me/us what other files
> are necessary to print html files? Whenever I try to print from
> netscape, I just get the plain ascii html source file instead of the
> "meat" of the message. Is there something I'm missing here? Also, when
> printing from netscape, I'm not getting the lat few inches of the page.
> I'm using version 4.5 of netscape (glibc), and I just installed it using
> ns-install. Could this be my problem? I've seen posts that suggest that
> one should place the netscape tar.gz file in /tmp and use dselect to
> install netscape, but I thought that only applied to libc5 versions.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Mark
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> >
> > I've setup a 5L for one of my clients using magicfilter.
> >
> > Here is a copy of their /etc/printcap:
> > #
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Note that they are using the ljet4 filter.  It's important that you select
> > a filter that is designed for a printer that *does* *not* have PS support,
> > *AND* that you have gs installed.
> >
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Re: Another Dewbie question

[John C. Ellingboe]

Ed Cogburn wrote:
> 
> John Watts wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm trying to do a stealth installation of Debian 2.0.34 on an old P75 
> > system at
> > work and am having some problems.
> 
> '2.0.34' refers to the version of the Linux *kernel* being used, not
> the Debian distribution.  The most recent offical Debian is v2.0.  The
> latest kernel is 2.0.35 (2.0.36 Real Soon Now).
> 
> 
> > 1) Network card - it has a EthernetExpress10 card.  I got ahold of the 
> > source
> > code for the driver and compiled it.  Insmod says it's for kernel 2.0.33 
> > and -f
> > doesn't seem to do anything.
> 
> Apparently, your current system is using the 2.0.33 kernel, but I'm 
> not
> quite sure what you mean here.  Are you sure that the driver isn't
> available in the kernel source package (as a buildable module)?  In
> general, drivers need to be compiled on systems running the same kernel
> as the driver will be used under.  I don't have enough experience
> compiling drivers separate from the kernel source to say any more here.
> 

There is an Intel EtherExpress driver selectable from the install
menu.  I'm not sure of the file name but it should be in the base
installs of the system.

John

> > 2) Kernel source - where is it?  I can't find a /linux subdirectory 
> > anywhere.
> > The installation was done off of floppies.
> 
> The kernel source is massive, about 7 meg.  This is why its not part 
> of
> the initial install (how many floppies would you need for 7 meg?  :-)
> ).  You can find the source (in a deb package) on ftp.debian.org or a
> mirror in the 'devel' section (if using the ftp method of dselect).
> Most CD venders will include the latest source packages in a separate
> location from the various distributions, but not likely in a deb format.
> 
> >
> > Thanx for any help.
> >
> > Rgds
> > John Watts
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> 
> I hope something above helps.
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Re: modem and PPP trouble

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hey Joshua,

You may have a winmodem version if it's an internal plug and pray card. 
There is no support for winmodems in Linux.  If you are not sure run
pnpdump and it will tell you if it is.

John

Joshua Wilson wrote:
> 
> I recently installed Debian GNU/Linux, and I am having a terrible time
> getting PPP to work with my modem.  I have a US Robotics 28.8 at
> /dev/ttyS2.  I tried to set up PPP using pppconfig and I have looked
> at the files in /etc/ppp.  Everything seems to be ok, but when I run
> pon my modem does not dial, nothing happens, and plog tells me that
> the connect script failed. I have consulted various HOWTOs and
> documentation but they all seem to refer to pre-HAM versions of Debian
> and reference a ppp.chatscript file that my box doesn't have.  I also
> searched the debian-user archives but could not find a relevant
> answer.  However, the archives did mention trying to dial out using
> minicom.  Minicom was able to get my modem to dial, but this still
> does not solve my PPP problem since my ISP uses PAP and I do not how
> to negotiate a connection to it using minicom.  Any help or ideas
> about how to get my modem to work with PPP would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Josh Wilson
> 
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Re: Diald doesn't do proper pap athentication

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hello

Thanks Jens.  That did the trick.  Diald is working perfect now.

John


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Diald doesn't do proper pap athentication

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hello,

I am trying to setup Diald on my Debian Linux system.  The system dials
my provider and connects up but refuses to do pap authentication.  The
pon/poff works properly and does do pap authentication.

I used the same dial script used with pon as suggested in the diald
example documentation.  I also used the dynamic local address and ppp
example from the same document for my /etc/diald.options file.

/etc/diald.options

mode ppp
connect "/usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/chatscripts/provider"
device /dev/ttyS0
speed 115200
modem
lock
crtscts
local 192.168.0.100
remote 192.168.0.101
dynamic
defaultroute
include /etc/diald/standard.filter


/etc/chatscripts/provider

ABORT BUSY
ABORT "NO CARRIER"
ABORT VOICE
ABORT "NO DIALTONE"
ABORT "NO ANSWER"
"" ATZ
OK ATDT5719055
CONNECT \d\c


plog output
--lines lost---
May 10 06:02:33 dialgate pppd[253]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
May 10 06:02:33 dialgate pppd[253]: Using interface ppp0
May 10 06:02:33 dialgate pppd[253]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
May 10 06:02:34 dialgate pppd[253]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1   ]
May 10 06:02:34 dialgate pppd[253]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1   ]
May 10 06:02:35 dialgate pppd[253]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0xb1 
May 10 06:02:35 dialgate pppd[253]: sent [PAP AuthReq id=0x1
user="dialgate" password=""]
  
Where does diald get this as the user?  Where are the pap secrets for
diald located?  This is not what is in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets and I
haven't found what file contains the secrets for diald.

May 10 06:02:36 dialgate pppd[253]: ---
pap authentication failed
-
Connection terminated.


Any suggestions appreciated

John


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Re: School Proof-of-concept network

[John C. Ellingboe]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> It is a vision of mine that linux will be used more in schools, making more
> computing resources available, without encumbrances of commercial software.

snip

> 486 linux garbage can computer (in part to show what can be done).
 
Should be fine for the job.

> 
snip
> 
> I expect that macs will predominate, so they will be connected by appletalk
> to the linux gateway.

Get an appletalk card for the server pc if you have appletalk in use
already, otherwise ethernet will work much better/faster.  One appletalk
card would cost less than several ethernet cards for demo purposes if
you have appletalk already in use, but for the final configuration I
would go ethernet.  Use ethernet for any PCs that you have since it will
probably cost less and provide better performance.  If you get to
ethernet the MACs, save the appletalk stuff for quickie addons/expansion
until you can get them setup on ethernet.

> I would like to request some pointers to help plan this proposed network.
> I need something on paper within days.  What is the cheapest way, what is

Appletalk - cheap but lo performance (OK for demo)
Ethernet - not that much more but good performance

> the best way?   And, more to the point, on this list, AM I OVER-ESTIMATING
> MY ABILITY?  (How much potential is there to fail?).  I think this is a

>From my experience there is much potential to stumble but not to fail. 
You may have to backup and look at things a bit and ask many questions
but it will work with Debian.

> fairlyi simple network.  I don't have any networking experience.
> 

I have been using Linux or Unix for much less time than you and have a
local net consisting of PCs (Linux), MAC, Unix minis and VAXs which
works fine.  All of my system is with ethernet (coax), but I see no
reason that you can't use appletalk for some of it.  Set up DIALD to
make the PPP connection for you using the fastest modem you can get.  IP
masquerading worked out of the box on Debian 2.0 for me, just get the
packages and install the modules.  Also use a forwarding/caching only
DNS server to speed things up.  It takes some studying and a little work
but it works beautifully.  You will probably wont to compile you own
kernel before its all over, but you can go with stock distribution for a
demo.


John

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Re: Hamm problem. (XDM, maybe)

[John C. Ellingboe]

James Brown (Ender/Gcc) wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>I've just upgraded my system to Hamm, but after a reboot the screen
> flashs from text to graphics
> mode, and back. I think it might be XDM, as X Windows doesnt load...
> 
> Any suggestions on how I can stop this? I dont want to format my H/D,
> and I cant shutdown XDM
> because the keyboard doesnt work while switching. And as the screen
> switchs about 5 times a second...
> 
> -- Ender
> 
> --

Try booting single user.  At the LILO message press left shift (you have
about 2 seconds).  At the resulting boot: prompt enter "linux single"
(without the quotes) and return.  Then enter the root password to go
into single user mode.

There will probably be a screen full of Xwindow messages that you can
read with leftshift pageup/pagedown.  My system didnt like an entry in
/etc/X11/XF86Config.  There was a line indicating my video chip set was
"trident 96xx" which I had to change to "trident 9680".  This is all it
took to get the system back to normal.

You will probably find some simular error message that will get you
going without much trouble.

good luck,

John

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Re: Repeated messages?

[John C. Ellingboe]

I have been getting the same thing but from every mailing list I'm on. 
And it's going around for the second time now.

John

Steve Lamb wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:59:05 -0400, Evan Van Dyke wrote:
> 
> >Is it just me, or am I getting messages from two or three days ago again?
> 
> It is not just you.
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Secure credit card transactions

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hello,

Sometime ago there was a thread on the list about secure credit card
transaction software.  I have searched the archives and may have not
reconized the subject.  Could the person/s that pointed the requester in
the right directions to find the required software packages please
repost your replies for me since I have lost my copies.

Thanks

John


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Questions - nic ident and stuff

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hello to the list,

Hopefully someone on the list will be able to identify a couple of
network cards I have and recomend what drivers to use for them.

1.  Novell Inc.  ISA card  (designed by Novel manufactured by Microdyne)
major chip is DP83905AVQB  AT/LANTIC   ( 3COM 905 )
Jacks for RX/AUX/BNC  no jumpers

2.  SMC  ISA card
major chips 83C690LJ P & 83C694LJ P
jacks for AUI/BNC
jumpers for - software setup
- 280,3,D
- 300,10.CC000
- rom addresses  software/none and D8000


Where can I find the installer (.deb) package for Staroffice 4.

Is there a Debian package that will access twain compliant devices.  I
am interested in using the Play Inc. "Snappy" video capture device.

I guess that is enough for now.  I don't wont to overload things.

TIA

John


Now 100% MSF-1 compliant.


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Re: printing

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hi,

I went ahead and installed magicfilter and it got the printer going.  I
kinda figured that if I got things working in text mode first I might
have less problems later but it turned out just the opposite.

Thanks all,

John


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Printing

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hi,

I am using Debian Linux 1.3.1 on a 486-DX40 (Cyrix).  The FTP Linux
installation is about two weeks old.

Originally I could print to lp using the generic printer in printcap,
but got the classic stair step effect on my HP LaserJet 5L.  After
editing my printcap file and adding the filter script per the
printing-howto I no longer get any printed output.  

I added the following line to printcap.

:if=/var/spool/lpd/lp/filter:\

and in /var/spool/lpd/lp I created the following perl script.

#!/bin/perl
while (){chop $_; print "$_\r\n";};

The printer came alive, ejected a page without any printed text and the
filter script indicated a problem in line 2 near "; print".  Execution
of /var/spool/lpd/lp/filter aborted due to compilation errors.  I even
removed the added line in printcap and still get a clean sheet of paper
with no print.  What would have happened to printcap by adding a line
and then deleting it?  

Suggestions please.

Also does any have a good printcap entry for the HP Laserjet 5L.

TIA

John


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Edit

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hi,

While installing packages with DSELECT I have apparently purged the
default debian editor. Could somewone tell me what the default system
editor is so I can replace it.

TIA

John


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Re: How to build Debian Linux cluster?

[John C. Ellingboe]

On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 06:42:44PM -0400, Alexander Kushnirenko wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>   I have a question about organising Debian Linux cluster for small physics 
> experiment.  Half a year ago we bought a PC and I am running Debian 2.0 on 
> it. 
>  My colleagues who usually work on X-terminals noticed certain advantages of 
> PC compared to X-terminal and basically the idea is instead of buying extra 5 
> X-terminals to buy 5 PC.  I think I understand how to maintain 
> single-computer 
> system, but I have very little experience with clusters.
> 
>   So far they want PC just to be an X-terminal, but I beleive they will be 
> interested in it's computing power very soon.
> 
>   Questions:
> 
> 1. What is better: one powerfull central computer surrounded by many little 
> ones?  OR democratic society of equal computers?
> 
> 2. Is it easy to "clone" debian systems?  How should one maintain it? 
> 
> 3. What are the recommendations about hardware specific to clusters would you
> make?
> 
> 4. Any useful resources on this matter?  (Basically how to approach the 
> problem).
> 
> Thanks you,
> Sasha.
> 

snip

I am fairly new at Linux but I ran across this on the net and saved the
URL for later reference.  It is the Beowulf project that connects many
small Linux PCs into a parallel computing environment.

http://cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov/beowulf/

John C. Ellingboe


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Re: PINE Debian Package

[John C. Ellingboe]

Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> >>"George" == George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
SNIP

Hello to the list

I must stand by the Pine package maintainer on this issue.  The
maintainer should not be expected to put himself in a bad legal position
for anyone just so they can have a convenient installation package.

Not being a package maintainer, I have not read the Policy manual in
detail but it upholds a legal and moral standard that is lacking in most
commercial companies today.  I would also like to see the Debian
distribution install almost hands off like other lesser systems, but I
would rather see the organization maintain the high standards that
caused me to select Debian Linux over other Linux
distributions/operating systems.

Debian will never be for the plug and pray crowd since there is no
support hot line for them to call on when things don't work.  That is
what keeps the badly flawed commercial PC operating system in demand.

The maintainers should be highly praised for providing us with the high
quality operating system and selection of applications that we can enjoy
using at no more cost than learning something about them so we can
install the software.  Without them and their volunteer efforts we would
be rebooting quite often like all the other PC users out there.  I have
found the effort of getting my Debian system working proper has been
less than just getting the popular one to stay up for a short time.

In highest regards to the Debian Organization,

John Ellingboe


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Re:Xwindows

[John C. Ellingboe]

>Did you setup the file 'XF86Config' ?.  Your problem look likely come
>from the setup.  If you did not setup that, use 'XF86Setup'
>command.
>
>Jongmook
>
>for me xwindows took several tries to get it installed correctly.  the key i 
>think
>was finding out exactly what kind of monitor and monitor card i had, and 
>putting
>in the exact specifics.
>there is a directory with doc files specifically for each different monitor 
>card,
>that is supported right now.  it might be in /usr/doc/x11r6 but i think you'll 
>find it >also
>one level deeper than the xf86config file.  hope that helps you somewhat.  it 
>may take >a 
>little while.
>
>rohit
>
>Just had the exact same problem with my S3 server. Read all available info
>for your card and try to run xf86config once again
>
>Marc
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Been there, done that, but will do it again since I could have missed
something.  BTY in the rc*.d directories there is the K99xdm and S99xdm
files to bring up Xwindows at boot time but they do the same thing as
xdm does from the command line, apparently nothing.

The console messages appear to me like the Xclient isn't coming up for
the server to connect to.

Being new to Linux I have found that many things take several tries to
get them right.  Also so much of the how-tos are slanted toward
Slackware and Redhat and are just enough different from Debian to cause
some confusion.  Any other suggestions will be appreciated.

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Xwindows

[John C. Ellingboe]

Hello to the Debian users list.

I have hade good luck so far in setting up my system with Debian 1.3.1
(kernal 2.0.29) from the FTP site.  I had installed the Xwindows and it
came up at boot time but was a complete mess so I deinstalled and
started over.  I thought the installation went proper this time but it
doesn't come up at boot time, or with XDM, STARTX or XINIT.  Also there
are no indications of any added processes with the ps command.  With XDM
the disk runs for a second and I am returned to the system prompt.  I
get the following message with either STARTX or XINIT.

_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2

   the above message 6 times

giving up.
xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to Xserver
xinit: No such process (erno 3):  Server error.

The installed packages are.

Xserver-svga
Xserver-vga16
Xbase
fvwm95
fvwm-common
plus some others

None of the packages indicated any missing dependances.

Where should I start looking for the source of this problem.  I didn't
see anything with a quick look in the logs but I could have missed
something.  XF86Config appears to be in order per the included
docs/manpages.  I will provide any output necessary on request.

Also where and what file/s do I get to install a stable version of
Netscape with this version of Debian.

Thanks in advance for any help.

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Re: .ps or .pdf editing app

[John C. Ellingboe]

>>David Stern wrote:
>> 
>> I've tried a lot of editing apps (and conversion utilities) in hamm, 
>> but I can't find one that edits postscript or acrobat files.  Does 
>> anyone know what package I can use to edit a ps or pdf form that uses 
>> Times-Roman fonts in a variety of point sizes, with some lines (no 
>> graphics)?
>> 
>
>Keith Beattie wrote:
>
>I think one of the possible reasons why tools like this are so rare is
>because postscript and pdf are *intended* to be final, read-only,
>printer-(not human)-friendly formats.
>
>I was looking for a postscript editor several years back and couldn't
>find anything (other than emacs).  Months after giving up I finally
>understood the cryptic answer the local guru gave me: "you're asking
>the wrong question."
>
>The (unsatisfactory) is to get the source document from which
>the ps or pdf was generated, edit *that*, then generate your new
>ps or pdf in the usuall way.  If all you have is the ps or pdf,
>perhaps that too is intentional...
>
>Luck,
>Keith
>

Still another (unsatisfactory) solution.  In the past, with no
conversion utility handy, I displayed the postscript file in one window
and coppied/Pasted it to my favorite editor in another window.  I've
done this many times on the VAX with Xwindows and surprised my friends
with less capable windowing systems by providing them with a file they
could edit.

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Re: Running just an X-server

[John C. Ellingboe]

Also try Reflection by WRQ.  I have found it to be very good in the
past.  Go to http://www.wrq.com and ask for an evaluation copy.

John C. Ellingboe
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>There are two X-clients for Win. You will find them at
>
>1) www.microimages.com
>   This is a free Win95/NT server. I like it very much.
>
>2) www.orl.com/vnc
>   This server is supposed to be good for NT and OK for 95. I have not
>   tried it yet.
>
>Hope this helps
>M. K. Pai
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Erik van der Meulen wrote:
>
>> I have a small Debian box running as a server in a small network >>(NT/95).
>> Until now I have done all configuration using a terminal session from >>the
>> client to the server (which does not have a monitor). I would like to >>be
>> able access my server with an x-client. All x-servers on the list seem >>to 
>> be
>> dedicated to some graphical device. Is there a minimal installation I >>could
>> perform which would allow me to have only the daemon on the server and >>the
>> graphical stuff on the client?
>> 
>> Any suggestions greatly appreciated,
>> 
>> Erik van der Meulen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
>>   CMG Bedrijfsinformatiesystemen B.V.
>>   Postbus 91 / 1180 AB / Amstelveen
>>   p: 020 503 3000 / f: 020 503 3010
>> 
>>


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Re: Console blanks trying to install 1.2 from floppies...

[John C. Ruttenberg]

Jens B. Jorgensen:
> John C. Ruttenberg wrote:
> > 
> > ... on a Micron Mellenia Transport notebook.
> > 
> > It gets as far as probing for a Sanyo CDROM and starting to initialize it 
> > and
> > then the screen goes blank and seems to relight it.
> > 
> > Has anyone seen a similar problem?
> > 
> > --
> 
> I had a similar problem on a Panasonic laptop. I never did resolve it
> but I think the problem was that I didn't have enough memory. There's
> a FAQ or HOWTO around which is supposed to help with laptops.
> 
> Jens B. Jorgensen
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

My notebook has 32MB; should be plenty.


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Console blanks trying to install 1.2 from floppies...

[John C. Ruttenberg]

... on a Micron Mellenia Transport notebook.

It gets as far as probing for a Sanyo CDROM and starting to initialize it and
then the screen goes blank and seems to relight it.

Has anyone seen a similar problem?


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Bug#6050: Console blanks trying to install 1.2 from floppies...

[John C. Ruttenberg]

Package: Resque.bin
Version: 1.2

... on a Micron Mellenia Transport notebook.

It gets as far as probing for a Sanyo CDROM and starting to initialize it and
then the screen goes blank and seems to relight it.

Has anyone seen a similar problem?