Q: Mass Text convert Linux-DOS?
Hi, I have a great many text files I have to convert from Linux to DOS format. I tries recode by hand once but it took hours. There has to be an automatic way. I tried the following but it only acted on the top level of directories and not the files and subdirectories below. Any help greatly appreciated: - Snip - for file in ~/documents; do recode latin1..ibmpc $file done - Snip - Thanks, Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recode Help Solved-Thanks
Hi, I got two great replies that work flawlessy. Thanks a great deal for what may appera a little work on your end, but on mine, with 5-600 text files, was no joke. Again thanks. Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Q: Any Linux on 2MB Ram?
Andrea Vettorello wrote: Don't remember the right name, something like etlinux, IIRC it's a Debian modified for embedded HW and should be working with 2 MB (but i could be wrong), try looking at http://www.prosa.it I found one, SmallLinux, but will look up yours. Thanks. Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Q: Any Linux on 2MB Ram?
Peter Jay Salzman wrote: i remember seeing linux that works in 512k ram. forget what it was called, but i yahoo'd it under +linux +286 This must be a record. Found others at 2MB. Will follow up. Thanks. Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Q: Any Linux on 2MB Ram?
Joey Hess wrote: Linux Elks will run on 286's (or 8088's) with 512k of ram, but it's basically a fork of the kernel for those old machines, and has nothing like all of linux's capabilities. Will it run Vim at least? Thanks, Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How hard get high res working?
Hi, I'm running 1152x864 on a 17 inch right now but am playing around with getting and running a 21 inch. I would probably like 1600x1200 on that but heard XFree has limits around 1200 lines? Is that true and how does one get around it? I'm on a strict potato right now running an ATI card with 8MB on board. Thanks, Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Q: Any Linux on 2MB Ram?
Hi, I don't think so. I have an old, very old, laptop floating around with 2MB ram on it. Anyone know of a Linux distro that will run on it? Maybe one of the embedded one's? Ironic that PDA's are more powerful nowadays. Thanks, Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Q: Any Linux on 2MB Ram?
William T Wilson wrote: You can make Linux boot in 2MB. However, 1.2 was the last kernel that would do so, IIRC. See if you can scare up an ancient Slackware distribution from 1994 or so :} This is really ancient history Linux-wise; a fun project just to prove you can do it, but doubtful you'll be able to do anything useful with it. Not worth it as a project. But thanks. I'll post something about Dos and Dos Vim sigh. Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: FreeDOS work on own?
Hi, I have an old 286/386 notebook that's not much good and since I can't load Linux on it, I need to put DOS. Anyone got a DOS boot disk I can transnfer the OS over with? Or can I use FreeDOS, and if so, how? Thanks, Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: FreeDOS work on own?
albi wrote: I have an old 286/386 notebook that's not much good and since I can't load Linux on it, I need to put DOS. Anyone got a DOS boot disk I can transnfer the OS over with? Or can I use FreeDOS, and if so, how? i don't quite get your plan, Thanks for getting back to me. The machine has no OS and here in France I don't have access to my old DOS disks. What I need is just to boot in DOS, so a boot disk with sys.com to transfer the system, of and format.com as well. Or, a fully functional base DOS I can install on the notebook. In which case, is there one for free on the net I can download and slap on floppies? but if you would like to run DOS on that machine, i think Caldera's DOS is much more advanced than FreeDOS I just need to boot. i happen to have DR.DOS 6 and Novell DOS 7 myself, and i did try Caldera's OpenDOS 7.03 and i also tried FreeDOS a while ago See, I need an old MS or DR DOS... btw, i guess you know how to make a bootdisk from an downloadable image ? Using winimage, yes! Otherwise, er, instructions particular to this needed. Any help appreciated in getting this thing up and running. I don't need any of the other DOS apps. Just something to format and boot and trasnfer the sys file to the hard disk. I can then boot and run vim, getting some use out of the thing. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Q: Any Linux on 2MB Ram?
Andre Berger wrote: There was a floppy distro that claimed to run on 2 MB (and X on 4 MB), but the link, as mentioned in the 4 MB RAM Laptop HOWTO, was broken. I'd be happy to hear the distro still exists... I was recommended SmallLinux off Tom rtbt links and I see from the FAQ that it works in 2MB ram. They have a version of X that works in 4MB! Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Best PDA?
Jim Richardson wrote: Take the time and learn graffiti, it's fast, and accurate. Most of the handwriting recog programs suck, they are either too slow, or It's what I wanted to know, thanks. the older IIIX(E) series, the new m100 is smaller) If all you are going to do is take notes, then you can get the cheaper 2MB visor, but if you Yes, just notes. I assume Visor uses the Palm OS and apps/applets? Would it be better to get more ram, if so, why? Ipaq, (expensive and hard to get) can use linux, I don't know how well they work as a pda though. Anyway, for price and convenience, go with a visor or palm. How does it use Linux. If it's to present the same front end as the others, then it's of limited interest. If it's to give you a command prompt and run vi, that's another story... Thanks. Jonathan -- \\ (0)~~\ |_) Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Best PDA?
Jonathan Markevich wrote: I have a Palm and it's awesome with Linux, provided you get the right tools. jpilot is very good, and the mail plugin works 95% (you have to manually delete sent items). Which model and if you use email, then do you have to purchase any add-ins? minutes), but if you really really don't like it, there are several keyboards available, I use (and love) the GoType! from Landware, though the Palm portable keyboard is full-size. For editors, most agree that pedit is The Palm comes with a keyboard? If you want full word-processing features (but less text-manipulation No, straight text is enough... Thanks for the feedback. Jonathan -- \\ (0)~~\ |_) Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Best PDA?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (www.agendacomputing.com and dev.agendacomputing.com). I find it quite usable for note taking if I use the on-screen keyboard instead of the hand writing recognition, which needs more work. Ok, thanks. I'll pop on the site and have a look. The nice thing about the Agenda is that it is really a pretty standard Linux system in a small package. The VR3d has a 66 MHz MIPS This sounds very interesting. Does it run Linux default and I can install Vim? I'll pop on the url. Thanks. Jonathan -- \\ (0)~~\ |_) Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Best PDA?
Hi, I'm looking to make my debian more mobile by hooking up a PDA. Last I looked, the Palm OS dominated, only I didn't like learning its language. Is there anything else or is it worth learning after all? My primary use will be for making text notes. Or, let's say, adapting text notes made on the desktop and moved over. Thanks, Jonathan -- \\ (0)~~\ |_) Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Best PDA?
Andre Berger wrote: I bought a Psion S5 second-hand a year ago. It has a keyboard, which is very useful for taking notes, such as bibliography entries. Talking of which, I write ASCII texts for LaTeX, same for the database (I use addressbook on Linux). The database is rather poor but useable, 250 chars/field max., limited field number per database (less than 30 IIRC, only if you limit the fields to a very small number of characters). They say it's easy to do programming in OPL, I can't verify this 'cause I'm no programmer. Thanks for taking the time for a reply, including specific models. I hadn't considered them and so it's particularly useful. I'll pop on their web pages and have a look around. It looks like a whole new field out there... Jonathan -- \\ (0)~~\ |_) Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Books
C Mead wrote: Just switched from RH but I'm not new to linux so i don't really need a install guide. Was hoping one of you could suggest some up to date Debian specific literature. One that would explain the nuances of Debian. I have checked the list of books on the recommended on the site but they seem a little dated. It comes with a manual. Look around in docs. That and the list were all I needed. I wasn't impressed with the book either. The list is really good. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: colors in gvim, help please
Marcelo Chiapparini wrote: But I have to type this each time I run gvim. For sure there is a way to put this information in the /etc/gvimrc file. I tried the followings set hi Normal guifg=black guibg=grey hi Normal guifg=black guibg=grey set guifg=black guibg=grey This works for me, whether in gvimrc or vimrc: hi Normal guibg=MidnightBlue guifg=White hi Visual guibg=Black guifg=White hi Cursor guibg=red Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Mozilla requires libnspr4?
Frank Copeland wrote: If you installed the mozilla tarball I suspect you already have it. libnspr4 is built from the mozilla source. It is broken out into a seperate package presumably because it may be useful for apps other than mozilla. True. I found two versions, One with Mozilla and the other where dpkg put it in /usr/lib. That mean I can delete the package? Thanks. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Mozilla 0.8-Special setup required? Solved...
Frank Copeland wrote: mozilla requires write access to the directory where the binaries live the first time it is run. Try running it as root once before running it as a normal user. I thought I had to give permanent rw access. Ok, will try. Thanks. Even better, get the debianised mozilla 0.8 from http://www.debian.or.jp/~kitame/mozilla/ and have all this dealt with for you. Will keep this for future reference. Nice to have Thanks again, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Mozilla 0.8-Special setup required?
Colin Watson wrote: Did you remove ~/.mozilla? The configuration files aren't necessarily compatible from release to release of mozilla at the moment, so you have to purge them each time. Yes, I had actually removed Mozilla M18 a while ago and gone back to Netscape 4.76. It's working beautifully for me. Once I gave rw to everyone then it's stopped crashing. Still very sluggish in opening up dialog boxes, etc. But good enough to finally switch over again. Thanks again for the help. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Mozilla requires libnspr4?
Hi, I dl the latest Mozilla 0.8 build from Mozilla.org and have been having some trouble. The only library that I loaded on install was libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1. Now someone gave me the site for a potato deb and alongside the deb and tar is a deb of libnspr4_0.8-0.0.1. Now I don't have this library loaded on my system. Cosidering where I found it, is it needed for Mozilla? Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Mozilla requires libnspr4?
PS. I tried installing the deb in question and got conflicts. It wants a newer set of libraries than my potato has. So, do I need it for Mozilla 0.8, and if so, will the libnspr4_M18 work which came with potato, was compiled on the correct libraries, and installs fine? Thanks again. -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Mozilla 0.8-Special setup required?
hi, I dl the 0.8 build, untarred and zipped it to /usr/local/share/mozilla than ran /usr/local/share/mozilla/mozilla to get it started. I get lot's of error message and changing themes crahses it cold. They couldn't have released this as is, so it's me. What haven't I done? I'd love to use it, so any help appreciated. Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Mozilla 0.8-Special setup required?
Forrest English wrote: do you have permissions on the directory? I granted everyone and their grandmother directory access and it works better, But it still has a tendency of disappearing without warning. It took me three attempts to change the default font. Finally doing it while online and on a web page worked... It's still sluggish though. But better than the last M18 I looked at. Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Mozilla 0.8-Special setup required?
J. Bruce Fields wrote: claiming this to be beta software yet. Since you say that changing themese crashes it cold, I assume you mean that it is able to do most other things? I've been using it happily for some time, but then, I don't Well, as I replied on the list earlier, it took me three attempts to change default fonts. I had to do it online and open on a page before it stopped disappearing. If you just wanted to get rid of all that annoying debugging messages, you could run it with `/usr/local/share/mozilla/mozilla /dev/null 21'. I find it's a bit slow (and impossibly slow if you've got less than Very sluggish. about 64 Megs of RAM), and there are occasional glitches, but it usually works pretty well for web browsing. The gtk look beats Netscape 4.76 and the web page rendering is nicer. I just on't know when it's going to suddenly be gone grin... Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Need Window Manager recommendation
Glenn Becker wrote: I use wmaker, blackbox and icewm kind of interchangeably, depending on my mood. No terribly deep reasons why: I like the ease of changing wmaker's look, the simplicity and cleanliness of blackbox and ... I don't know why I like icewm. :-) Hi, I caught your post. I'be tried BB O61.1, which for the original poster is the modern equivalent of TWM, but have trouble with Gnome and its session management. Do you need to run the patch and I thought it was for 0.5x... What do you do or do you have similiar problems? Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Need Window Manager recommendation
Steven Dickenson wrote: I loaded all the gnome stuff and the default display manager xdm and window manager twm. I have since replaced xdm with gdm and I would like to replace twm with one that is more fitting for use with gnome - besides I don't really like it. I'm interested in stability and I don't want it to take too much memory. Stable, fast, and GNOME support = WindowMaker, IceWM Stable, not as fast, and GNOME support = Sawfish Stable, very fast, and KDE support (but no GNOME) = Blackbox Since you're running stable, Sawfish will be called Sawmill. Blackbox will be OLD, and WindowMaker will be stale, not sure about IceWM. I use unstable on my home box (rather powerfull, lots of memory) with Gnome 1.2 WindowMaker 0.64. I use stable on my laptop (P120, 32MB) with no Gnome and Blackbox 0.61, sourced from testing and compiled for stable. Both run fast for their respective hardware platforms, and I'm actually really surprised how responsive Blackbox is on my old laptop. I love Blackbox 0.61. Sorry to barge in like this but I installed gnome session, panel and help and fired them up in BB. I know the BB crowd don't like Gnome, but while gmc worked I got a lot of session error messages. Did you patch your BB, or do you have certain things loaded to fire up in your xinitrc? if so, what? I'm trying to get the two to work... Thanks, Jonathan PS What do teht mean by gnome support anyway? Lack of certain advanced features i could live without, error messages, can't live with... -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Help Blackbox Gnome support?
Hi, I actually posted a bit of this and thought I should direct it to the community. I want to keep Blackbox as my default window manager and even though I read it isn't Gnome compliant, when I start the session and panel I get no end of session error messages. Is this normal for non-support? I thought I just wouldn't get advanced features. Is there a loadind preference in the xinitrc file and if so, what? I know there's a patch but it's for 0.51... Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Need Window Manager recommendation
Steven Dickenson wrote: I don't use Gnome on my laptop, so I didn't do anything to patch it. I believe that what the author means by Gnome support is session management, which is probably why you're experiencing the problems you are. Blackbox will, however, decorate the applications using Gnome correctly. Yes I saw that and ok on the sessions. I was hoping to get rid of the error msgs... Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Q: How install additional debian cdrom?
csj wrote: But the q is will it read a non-debian cdrom and find the debs in the /potato directory? Your only option is probably to mount the cdrom, and hunt for the Packages.gz file, say by typing find /cdrom -name Packages.gz There isn't one, I checked. Hence the problem. You can also choose to create your very own Packages file (with or without the gzip'ping). The command to do this is dpkg-scanpackages. RTFM. It's quite easy to do it. Just remember to stash your spanking new Packages file in a directory layout apt-get is comfortable with, something like /foodir/debian/dists/woody/main/binary-i386/Packages And add the corresponding etc/apt/sources.list entry. You can choose to use the files in the cdrom, but you have to remember to mount it beforehand, or you can copy them all to your hard drive (KDE isn't that much of a monster). Now this is interesting. Thanks a lot. Will try it... Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Get Mozilla work w/Procmail?
kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: Mozilla/Netscape use mbox-style mailboxes. Just have procmail deliver to the folders you're viewing with Mozilla. Mozilla will update its own index files automatically. Otherwise, format's the same. A big help. Thanks for the answer. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Getting rid of Vim's startup screen
D-Man wrote: | | Put 'set shortmess=I' (or 'set shm=I') in your ~/.vimrc. | | Bah, turns out the default is 'shortmess=filnxtToO' (intuitive, huh?), | so you need to add to that, not replace it. 'set shortmess=filnxtToOI' better yet, set shortmess+=I That works as well. Thanks. Didn't know that operator. It's appreciated. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
OT: Any scriptwriting (movies) software out there?
Hi, I've made the move to Linux a while back now and intend to stay. I have some vimrc F-Keys set up to duplicate script formatting. I just miss my Final Draft and wonder if anyone has done anything along those lines...? Hoping against hope, but worth a shot. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Error debian/rules? Solved...
mike polniak wrote: Any help on what is missing? dh_testdir is from the pkg debhelper. -- That was the one. Thanks a lot to all who responded. Sylpheed still kicks up tons of error messages, but that's another story. Great program though. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Get Mozilla work w/Procmail?
Hi, As it is I use Mutt as a front end. Is there any way to point Mozilla's mail folders at the one's used by Mutt and/or allow procmail/fetchmail to do their stuff and then hand to Mozilla as it does to Mutt now? I didn't think so, but you never know... Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Q: How install additional debian cdrom?
Hi, I have KDE 2 in potato debs in a directory on a cdrom I got from a magazine. It's all debs with a few task debs. Is there a way of getting apt-get to recognize this directory as it does my origibal potato disks so as to select from them? Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
OT: Best Mac list info Mac OS X?
Hi, Curious as to what they've done there. Anyone know of a good list where they're talking about it? Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Q: How install additional debian cdrom?
Glyn Millington wrote: KDE The prog you you need is. wait for it... apt-cdrom ! apt-cdrom add... No? But the q is will it read a non-debian cdrom and find the debs in the /potato directory? Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: OT: Best Mac list info Mac OS X?
Aaron Hall wrote: Two OS X lists that I subscribe to are: http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/X4U.html and http://www.omnigroup.com/community/mailinglists/macosx-admin/ I tried the latter. I don't want two. Is this the best choice for one? And I tried the talk version. As a long-time Mac diehard and a developing unix geek, I am excited about OS X. (But I've found I really like Debian...) I love Debian but I have a must have app that runs under Mac. With mac OSX it could mean adding a little notebook to my present Debian system... grin. -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Q: How install additional debian cdrom?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have KDE 2 in potato debs in a directory on a cdrom I got from a magazine. It's all debs with a few task debs. Is there a way of getting apt-get to recognize this directory as it does my origibal potato disks so as to select from them? Just 'dpkg -i pkg0.deb pk1.deb ... pkgn.deb' or 'dpkg -i *' for all of them! I wanted to grab one or two but get dependencies... Since there's 30 or so, any way to do that and not individually or all? Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Error debian/rules?
Hi, I've tried apt-get source foo and everything goes fine. When I try to build the binary/deb using debian/rules build or dpkg-source -x foo.dsc I get: make: dh_testdir: Command not found make: clean error 127 Any help on what is missing? Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Eek! X won't go away!
kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: Yes, launching X from a console w/o securing (or exiting) the console session is a security hole. However, securing or exiting the console session is trivial. I had just taken xlock off yesterday and i read this thread first thing this morning. Good timing. The problem was that I didn't see any point in having it on if anyone could pres ctrl-alt-bs and at the console. So if I want a secure X environment, what are my choices? 1. XDM? 2. Secure the console before? You mention above it being trivial. How can one do it? Thanks. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Q: Need cron is anacron loading?
Hi, I don't have my box on 24hrs a day and cron never worked its magic until I loaded anacron. But I noticed on boot that both cron and anacron are loading. Do I need cron if I have anacron? Or do they complement one another? Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Q: Need cron is anacron loading?
Andreas Hetzmannseder wrote: It isn't a full-time daemon. It has to be executed from boot scripts, from cron-jobs, or explicitly [...] Thanks. I'll research some more. So much to learn sigh. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Comments VMWare?- Thanks all help!!
Pap Tibor wrote: Alos, I've seen downloads available. are they limited time/feature demos? Yes. You have to register on the website, and receive a three-month-licence-key. I tried it, but my hardware is too weak to use WMWare. I've heard nothing but good things abot it. the three month key is new and will look into it. Thanks for the info. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
OT: Removing Vim Splash?
Hi, Someone just posted a msg about removing the splash screen on vim as: shortmess=I and it doesn't work on vim or gvim potato here. Vim starts asking me to hit a carriage return everytime i want to do something. Is there a command? is this the only one? Thanks. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Log Rotate on Debian via Cron Not working!
Martin Marconcini wrote: Andreas, Yes, my computer is running 24 hs... But in case it's now i will check anacron. BTW: how is it configured? BTW, none of my cron items were running and I had it on my list of things to look at later. I read the earlier post and loaded anacron and BANG it started up all the cron jobs. So in my case, the answer is just load the package and watch it go. It would have been nice to have known this 24hrs business earlier... Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Getting rid of Vim's startup screen
Colin Watson wrote: Put 'set shortmess=I' (or 'set shm=I') in your ~/.vimrc. Bah, turns out the default is 'shortmess=filnxtToO' (intuitive, huh?), so you need to add to that, not replace it. 'set shortmess=filnxtToOI' should work better. I had seen that and it didn't work. By starting with nothing i found out it was: set nocompatible which was stopping it. That removed and shm=I worked fine. A vi thing. I don't know why. Thanks for the help. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Getting rid of Vim's startup screen
Glyn Millington wrote: set nocompatible which was stopping it. That removed and shm=I worked fine. A vi thing. I don't know why. Tread carefully, this isn't the only thing it effects! Thanks. I had it off before. I had actually just turned it on earlier in the day so I'm used to having it off. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Comments VMWare?
Hi, I might have to run a windows app, and one code copy protected at that. Anyway, how is VMWare at running 32 bit windows apps? as I understand it you load VMWare, then W95/98, then your app. Does VMWare set up its own file system? Where would I store my apps docs? Any thoughts or bg on thoe using appreciated. Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Comments VMWare?
Andrew Perrin wrote: There should be no problem with 32-bit apps, since VMWare reproduces an entire x86 *machine* on which you load whatever you want (windows, linux, DOS, etc.). I think you can either use an existing filesystem or it will generate a huge file that contains the entire windows filesystem. Great. Thanks for the help. Given I load Windows, which is coming in now at 300MB plus, what space does VMware itself take up? Alos, I've seen downloads available. are they limited time/feature demos? Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Comments VMWare?
Bill Wohler wrote: I keep my important data files on the Unix side so that they can be backed up and not nuked if you have to reinstall Windows. I access them from VMware via samba. Got you. thanks for the advice. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Comments VMWare?
Martin Marconcini wrote: They Are for 30 Days. Thanks for the info. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Comments VMWare?
Bob Nielsen wrote: A bit less than 20 MB. Great. Thanks for the info. I think I have everything now. Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Can't Locate binfmt... something to worry about?
Colin Watson wrote: binfmt_misc isn't his problem, it's trying to execute random other files for some reason, at which point the kernel constructs a module name based on the first two bytes of the file and tries to modprobe it; it only goes near binfmt_misc if that module has specifically registered itself as knowing about the binary format in question. I haven't worked out exactly what's causing it for him yet. The activity seems to have gone dead around my post. Has anything else occurred to you that might help? This may be trivial, but I just hate having unexplained error messages floating around... Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Getting to the GUI...
Manuel Reiter wrote: Thanks for the offer of help, the request files follow. Xlog.log is the output of the startx command. Please note that I edited quite a bit of XF86Cconfig to compact it. The XF86Config file looks OK to me at first glance, but are you sure that this is the one that actually gets read in? According to the Xlog.log you posted, the file that gets read in is This helps me and so forgive me if it's slightly OT. I took off XDM as one of the first things I did and boot into console and use startx. The log for this is still named xdm.log and I wondered if that was normal? Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Can't Locate binfmt... something to worry about?
Colin Watson wrote: binfmt_misc isn't his problem, it's trying to execute random other files for some reason, at which point the kernel constructs a module name based on the first two bytes of the file and tries to modprobe it; it only goes near binfmt_misc if that module has specifically registered itself as knowing about the binary format in question. I haven't worked out exactly what's causing it for him yet. I'm including a sample of the daemon.log. I haven't yet been able to see what causes it. But it usually happens once a day, but then 2 days can go by without anything... The only thing I can think of is that a month or so back I recompiled my kernel adding synthesizer suport for my SB card (op13). But in none of the occasions where I received the error have I been making use of any sound card... So, any help on what is causing this. Or how I can track down the app that is trying to open this non-recognized or zero length file is appreciated... You can remove one entry or all entries by echoing -1 to /proc/.../the_name or /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/status. plug Try the binfmt-support package in unstable, which should make things a little easier to manage. /plug :) What is this? And will it work on my potato system or do I have to get souref and compile Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Re: Can't Locate binfmt... something to worry about?
PS. Attached log: Feb 13 01:24:23 palatine init: Switching to runlevel: 0 Feb 13 01:24:29 palatine apmd[488]: Exiting Feb 13 07:25:23 palatine apmd[146]: Version 3.0final (APM BIOS 1.2, Linux driver 1.13) Feb 13 07:25:23 palatine apmd[146]: Charge: * * * (-1% unknown) Feb 13 10:27:32 palatine modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module binfmt-0808 Feb 13 10:27:32 palatine modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module binfmt-0808 Feb 13 22:48:08 palatine init: Switching to runlevel: 0 Feb 13 22:48:14 palatine apmd[146]: Exiting Feb 14 07:12:20 palatine apmd[146]: Version 3.0final (APM BIOS 1.2, Linux driver 1.13) Feb 14 07:12:20 palatine apmd[146]: Charge: * * * (-1% unknown) Feb 14 13:26:19 palatine modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module binfmt-002a Feb 14 13:26:19 palatine modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module binfmt-002a Feb 14 23:38:44 palatine init: Switching to runlevel: 0 Feb 14 23:38:50 palatine apmd[146]: Exiting Feb 17 01:14:00 palatine init: Switching to runlevel: 0 Feb 17 01:14:06 palatine apmd[146]: Exiting Feb 17 07:21:15 palatine apmd[146]: Version 3.0final (APM BIOS 1.2, Linux driver 1.13) Feb 17 07:21:15 palatine apmd[146]: Charge: * * * (-1% unknown) Feb 17 16:06:29 palatine modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module binfmt- Feb 17 16:06:29 palatine modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module binfmt- Feb 17 19:42:49 palatine init: Switching to runlevel: 0 Feb 17 19:42:55 palatine apmd[146]: Exiting Feb 18 08:55:26 palatine apmd[146]: Version 3.0final (APM BIOS 1.2, Linux driver 1.13) Feb 18 08:55:26 palatine apmd[146]: Charge: * * * (-1% unknown) Feb 18 17:58:55 palatine modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module binfmt-0008 Feb 18 17:58:55 palatine modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module binfmt-0008 Feb 20 07:36:59 palatine apmd[146]: Version 3.0final (APM BIOS 1.2, Linux driver 1.13) Feb 20 07:36:59 palatine apmd[146]: Charge: * * * (-1% unknown) Feb 20 21:55:10 palatine modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module binfmt- Feb 20 21:55:10 palatine modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module binfmt- Feb 20 23:34:37 palatine init: Switching to runlevel: 0 Feb 20 23:34:44 palatine apmd[146]: Exiting -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Why XFce not on potato?
Hi, I found it in unstable and wondered why it wasn't included in potato. Any particular licensing reason? Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
Can't Locate binfmt... something to worry about?
Hi, I've been getting the msg every two or three days now and know that it's origin is a program accessing an empty file. The questions are: 1. Does this happen on most systems? 2. Is it something particular to this system, and if so, how track down what is causing it? I've had xlogmaster on daemon log open almost continuously but have missed catching it in the act... Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Jonathan -- /* Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
How track down binfmt error?
Hi, Ok, scanning archive and src files I know what a binfmt ewrror is. Question, aside from looking at the daemon log everytime I click on a mouse or issue a command is there a way of finding out what is calling what file with 0 bytes? Thanks, Jonathan -- // /~~(0) Jonathan Gift (_| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
QuarkExpress equivalent on Linux?
Hi, Would that be the Latext system? Considered professionally acceptable? Thanks, Jonathan -- Jonathan // Gift /~~(0) (_|
Help please on binfmt error msg...
Hi, I'm posting about a recent error in my daemon log that occurs every other day stating: modprobe can't locate module binfmt-002 (these numbers change) The kernel source docs say that binfmt is used by the shell to start other, I assume, non-native executables like DOS or Java, etc. Now I've looked at my last kernel config file build and I have: CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y So I configured it in. But when I build modules, there are none for it. I see no pattern to the error message and the only recent application I can think of that was added was Netscape 476, could it be Java? This is a fresh error, so did I forget something out of my config? Should I add something, is it Netscape and I should now change something? This is bugging me big time and any help appreciated. -- // /~~(0) Jonathan Gift (_| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: QuarkExpress equivalent on Linux?
Richard Taylor wrote: There's Adobe's port of Framemaker or the Corel stuff... WordPerfect and so forth. On Linux? I didn't know. Same name? Thanks, Jonathan -- Jonathan // Gift /~~(0) (_|
Re: Looking for clock track different times?
David Wright wrote: I looked but apart from twclock I couldn'rt find anything. Anyone know of an applet capable of showing times in different places? It might help to say what it is about twclock that you don't like. TZ=US/Eastern swisswatch I don't need another analog clock. I'd really like to type the date/time at the prompt and get Eastern Standard time, or Pacific, etc. I'm now on European. So I don't wake people up... Thanks, Jonathan I looked at the date switches but saw nothing. Thinking about a shell script to cut the time, substract 9, etc. seemed there has to be simpler. -- \\ (0)~~\ |_) JG
Looking for clock track different times?- Solved!
David Wright wrote: TZ=US/Easterndate -that's the normal date command. ^_ as before, that's the timezone you want to be local. More briefly yet, TZ=EST date, if you're happy with this style of zone names. Perfect!! Exactly what I was looking for. BTW, you know the US codes for Central and Pacific time? Thanks, Jonatha -- Jonathan // Gift /~~(0) (_|
Re: blackbox toolbar
Nate Amsden wrote: what ver of debian are you using ? im on 2.2r2 ..just curious where that manpage came from. im runnin blackbox 0.51.3-13 Move to 0.61 as soon as you can. The themes are better, there's autohide toolbar, etc. Jonathan -- __ |FADE OUT| Jonathan Gift _||_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((0); // | !! ! ~~
Help what is binfmt???
Hi, I'm posting about a recent error in my daemon log that occurs every other day stating: modprobe can't locate module binfmt-002 (these change) I see no pattern and reading the bingmt info it seems to be a binary compability thing. But to what end? What did I forget in my last kernel build. I build all modules. What is going on? I can't fix it until I know what is wrong... Thanks for any help, Jonathan -- // /~~(0) Jonathan Gift (_| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Use xearth in term window?
Dave Thayer wrote: Is there anyway of getting xearth in a terminal window and not the default root window? The man pages has nothing but I was wondering... Try xplanet, it has a -window option plus it supports nicer bitmaps, cloud overlays, other planets your pal dave While the version of xearth which cames with potato only works on root, the new 1.1 does windows! Yes, xplanet looks nice. Straight compiling? You have an url handy? Thanks. Jonathan -- __ |FADE OUT| Jonathan Gift _||_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((0); // | !! ! ~~
OT: Use xearth in term window?
Hi, Is there anyway of getting xearth in a terminal window and not the default root window? The man pages has nothing but I was wondering... Thanks. Jonathan -- _ _ | | (_) _ _ _ _ __ __ | |__ | || ' \| || |\ \ / |||_||_||_|\_,_|/_\_\ Debian
Problem binfmt module-Help define?
Hi, I'm posting about a recent error in my daemon log that occurs every other day stating: modprobe can't locate module binfmt-002 (these change) What did I forget in my last kernel build. I build all modules. What is going on? Thanks, Jonathan -- __ _ / / (_)__ __ __ / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / Jonathan Gift //_/_//_/\_ _/ /_/\_\ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
help: daemon msg module binfmt is?
Hi, I just noticed after my last kernel compile I'm getting a daemon log message: modprobe: can't locate module binfmt-002a The last 4 digits change. Any idea what I missed or am missing? Thanks, Jonathan -- -==- ==-- _ ---==---(_)__ __ __ --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / Jonathan Gift -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Running Debian GNU/linux
Looking for clock track different times?
Hi, I looked but apart from twclock I couldn'rt find anything. Anyone know of an applet capable of showing times in different places? There was that earth wallpaper and I think that's on there but can't find it. Any name suggestions? Thanks, Jonathan -- -==- ==-- _ ---==---(_)__ __ __ --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / Jonathan Gift -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Running Debian GNU/linux
Re: Here you have
DSC Lithuania wrote: Actually, that was a highly irresponsible thing to do. I do use Microsoft Outlook and Netscape both, and I am subscribed to the Linux User list because I am my company's computer. Which is too bad, since that means that the school FYI I'm on the Gimp list and got two versions of the virus. Those behind this targeted all lists. I would doubt they deliberately picked Linux lists because they would know the virus would prove ineffective there. where I have an informatics lab will not have linux. They will instead have to use I made the slow move to Linux. Until 3 montsh ago I kept the seperate Windows partition just to have Outlook. I then put in the time and moved to fetchmail and mutt. The virus has had no effect on my system, but it could have if I hasn't made that move. This is actually a sign for you to speed things up and get those students on Linux before it happens again... -- -==- ==-- _ ---==---(_)__ __ __ --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / Jonathan Gift- -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Running Debian GNU/Linux-
Gimp 1.2 Script-Fu crashes others?
Hi, I upgraded to the new Gimp 1.2 but I get Script-Fu crashes, especially on the Puzzle plugin. Gimp itself is fine. Anyone else has this? Thanks. -- Jonathan Gift
Looking rtail like display file?
Hi, I found a reference to rtail on the list and have had great fun with it. The thing is I'd like to display straight text on the root window without need of the tail feature which I assume eats up some cpu. Is there another app that let's you do that without having to tail? Thanks. -- Jonathan Gift
Ho switch foreign keyboard?
Hi, I initially set up my system with a French keyboard but have now got my hands on one from the US. I know I can switch in XF86Config for X, but how or where do I switch at the command prompt? Thanks. Jonathan
OT: New Linux book out
Hi, Off topic, but maybe of interest. Just saw a review in this week's Economist on a new book detailing the history of Linux. Not a collection of essays like Cathedral... Glyn Moody Rebel Code. Jonathan
Re: Ho switch foreign keyboard?
Colin Watson wrote: Thanks for getting back to me! Try 'setxkbmap'. I looked it up and itr seems to deal with X11 only? That correct? I can switch the X keyboard easily. Linux also botts initially in English. It's when the boot is finished that the command prompt keyboard ia French. That's what needs changing? Wil xkbsel do that? I looked in my files and found a reference to kbdconfig? Of any use? Jonathan
Q: Keyboard Solved
Hi, Thanks, but kbdconfig did the trick. I am curious about the other recommended applet. Jonathan
Re: Sound for woody with 2.2.12
John Galt wrote: I have in modules: sound uart401 sb io... Missing: mpu... op13... These mostly deal with midi. mpu is mpu 401 support (NOT for SB) which is self explanatory why you shouldn't need it, and opl3 is ymf 2XXX/opl3 support. My advice to you on the opl3 is don't get too het up about recompiling specifically for it, but make sure you do it the next time you build a kernel... I would imagine it was MIDI or synthesizer. If the mpu is not SB16, then what is the op13 and where in the sound section is it? What item did I not turn on? If you hvae a name, because I seem to have mised it twice now... Thanks a lot. Jonathan
Re: Requirements to Build Gimp 1.2 Help
csj wrote: A rather belated reply. But in case somebody's still trying to wrestle with Gimp1.2: I managed to install Ximian Gimp using just the packages for gimp1.2 and libgimp1.2 plus the version of libgtkxmhtml1 generated from building the sid source for gnome-libs1.2.8. I have some doubts however over my installation, as the output below shows. Why is gimp1.2 still described as Developers' release? Did Ximian really use the final 1.2 sources? Yes. I got them on the line. They compiled the final Gimp1.2 against potato/woody/sid. it will work on all three. Don't forget to get the gimp1.2-nonfree and gimp-data-extras in the same directory... Jonathan
Re: Sound for woody with 2.2.12
William Leese wrote: the module named sb.o.. ..and voila, that is.. ..if your SB16 uses the default settings.. I wondered if you could help me out here... I have a SB16 and have succesfully compiled the sound options in the kernel and can hear sound fine. But I saw somewhere someone with the same card having additional modules. My question is, do I need those modules, and if so, where are they in the kernel config section? ie What options do I turn on that I missed in the sound section? I have in modules: sound uart401 sb io... Missing: mpu... op13... Thanks. Jonathan
Q: SB16 ok-Need load other modules?
Hi, I have my SB16 working fine with the following modules compiled and loaded: sound uart401 sb io=0x220 irq=10 dma=1 dma16=5 Everything works. But I didn't find the other card options when compiling to, I believe, load the following modules: mpu_io=0x330 op13 io=0x388 So the question is, have I in fact missed some settings in my kernel (if so, which) compiling and are there further modules and uses of the card and are they those just above? Thanks. Jonathan
Q: Use of XDM.log correct?
Hi, My DEbian system when first loaded dropped me in XDM. I removed the package and have booted to the proimpt and started X manually ever since. Yet I've notice that when X starts it writes the info to an XDM.log file. Is that normal? What would be considering I use .xinitrc and startx? How would I change to that? Thnaks. Jonathan
Re: MUA Blues in X
Joris Lambrecht wrote: Well, it does make it clear to me that i will have to embrace console base mua's sooner then i think. Don't wanna go back to Win2K, thought it is tempting. Still, how HARD can it be to write something decent ? That does not require knowledge of compiler's to install and so on. I was in ypur position a little while back with a dual boot finally just to use Outlook. But I wanted asingle boot and the great features which come with having an MTA so I bit the bullet and researched what was out there. The general opinion was that Mutt was the best so I installed, no compiling, and grabbed as many of the setup (.muttrc files) I could fine. It took a good couple of days of fiddling around and and lot's of questions, but I got up and running fairly painlessly and haven't regretted it. Once you get used to Mutt it is far superior to Outlook and you can get very fast on it. My two cents worth is put in the time and you won't be sorry. Okay, maybe a little sooner but this is getting to me, how on earth is linux going to rival with any Desktop-OS if it lacks these basic things. Good True. But while desktop systems such as KDE and Gnome are trying to rival Windows functionality, I don't think Linux itself is, nor should it. And there's the rub. Technology but very weak user-focused developments Browsers, same story. You Bowsers is my one complaint :). Ie is still betetr than anything on Linux. But there's a couple projects coming along that look promising so I don't know if that will the case for long. It's a problem with a lot of the X app's i've seen, the menu's slide down instead of popping up. ??? Still, i like X AND Linux big time. Good. That makes two of us. I think there's a few more on this list... Jonathan
Re: MUA Blues in X
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bowsers is my one complaint :). Ie is still betetr than anything on Linux. One word: Opera. I would tend to agree. Of them all, and I believe I've tried them all, Opera is light, good looking, and fast. he only problem is the beta and they still charge. Though I hear they(ve got to ads in the Windows version. BTW, I loose my preference's looks settings evry time. Is this just me? ie I pick Motif and next time I start Opera it's back in the default look. Jonathan
Re: New Gimp 1.2 in pool is...?
Rogerio Brito wrote: On Jan 12 2001, Jonathan Gift wrote: In other words, short of compiling, has someone done a deb? Yes. Helix/Ximian gnome has one compiled for potato, it seems. Thanks, but I assume that's using Ximian Gnome? Or, as my case, you can use it without there setup? Jonathan
Q: Unstable Gimp 1.2 work Potato GTK upgrade?
Hi, The quest to build Gimp 1.2 on a potato system is getting pretty involved with an assorted half-dozen packages to build before attempting it. I know Gimp 1.2 needs libgtk 1.2.8 and 1.2.7 comes with potato. If I upgrade the libgtk, would the unstable/sid binary work or it depends on newer libraries for other items as well? Thanks. Jonathan
Help: Missing Helix-Gimp 1.2 files where?
Hi, I dl the Ximian Gimp 1.2 and in the suggested list were tw debs that were not there. Though the rest were and Gimp 1.2 started up witout a fuss. Where could I find these? First place I checked was potato... libz1 libxpm4 Doing an apt-get -d install I get xpm4g is the newest version and zlib1g is the newest. Are they other names then for those alredy installed potato debs? Thanks. Jonathan
Re: New Gimp 1.2 in pool is...?
Colin Watson wrote: I too would be worried about using woody apps on my potato system, but the helix gimp file name did end in potato even though in woody directory. Like I said earlier, I aded it and the new libgtk 1.2.8 all as debs and everything seems to work All my gtk apps are running and so is the new gimp. Very nice new gimp BTW! Q. The new gimp installtion screen says it's going in to ~.gimp-1.2 is that the same for everyone? No more .gimp? Or is it this build? Jonathan
Xemian Gimp 1.2 works-Thanks all-Final Q...
Hi, The Xemian gimp 1.2 seems to have done the trick. I have a few doubts though... 1. Even though in the woody directory on Xemian the file name for the deb ends in potato. I assume that this was compiled for potato then. 2. Either way, just upgrading libgtk1.2.7 to libgtlk1.2.8 and gimp1.04 to gimp1.2 shouldn't break my system? I shouldn't have thought so. 3. It does go in as ~/.gimp-1.2. Is this particular to the new gimp or this build? Any way to get an old generic .gimp (I moved my earlier one so as to avoid just this). Thanks. Jonathan
Requirements to Build Gimp 1.2 Help
Hi, Ok, I'm on a potato system. Are the following what's needed to successfully compile the new Gimp 1.2? Download: apt-get source gimp1.2 apt-get source gimp-data-extras (1:1.2.0-1) apt-get libgtk1.2 (new 1.2.8) apt-get libgtk1.2-dev Installed already: libgtk1.2-dev gdk-imlib-dev Install: libjpeg62-dev libmpeg-dev aalib1-dev libpng2-dev libtiff3g-dev 1. That do it? 2. No I need a new non-free package or can I use that for 1.04? 3. Is the newer, post libgtk 1.2.7 on poato necessary and will te new break my old GTK apps? Thanks! Jonathan
Where libgtk 1.2.8 on ftp.debian.org?
Hi, I've found the source on GTK, isn't there a deb of a binary on ftp.debian.org somewhere? Thanks, Jonathan
Re: New Gimp 1.2 in pool is...?
Colin Watson wrote: 'apt-get source gimp1.2' :) Done. Thanks. lftp ftp.debian.org:/debian/pool/main/g/gimp1.2 cat gimp1.2_1.2.0-1.dsc [...] Build-Depends: aalib1-dev, libglib1.2-dev, libgtk1.2-dev, libgtkxmhtml-dev, libjpeg62-dev, libmpeg-dev, libpng2-dev, xpm4g-dev, zlib1g-dev, slang1-dev, xlib6g-dev, debhelper, libparse-recdescent-perl, libgtk-perl, pdl Different list then the other... I need both? Jonathan
Re: Where libgtk 1.2.8 on ftp.debian.org?
Colin Watson wrote: URL:ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gtk+1.2/. It won't install cleanly on your potato box, though; stick with the older version if possible, otherwise build the newer one from source. I tried compiling and got an error straight away about gtk 1.2.7.. So you recommend getting 1.28 and compiling it from source then? Jonathan
Re: New Gimp 1.2 in pool is...?
Colin Watson wrote: lftp ftp.debian.org:/debian/pool/main/g/gimp1.2 cat gimp1.2_1.2.0-1.dsc [...] Build-Depends: aalib1-dev, libglib1.2-dev, libgtk1.2-dev, libgtkxmhtml-dev, libjpeg62-dev, libmpeg-dev, libpng2-dev, xpm4g-dev, zlib1g-dev, slang1-dev, xlib6g-dev, debhelper, libparse-recdescent-perl, libgtk-perl, pdl Thanks, this is invaluable. To the best of your knowledge though, I have the right versions of the above on potato and what I need from unstable or sid is: gimp 1.2 gimp extras libgtk 1.2.8 libgtk-dev 1.2.8 The last source as well? Jonathan
New Gimp 1.2 in pool is...?
Hi, I'm looking for a deb binary of Gimp 1.2 compiled for potato. I was pointed at the ftp sire and the 1.2 in the pool/main/g directory. What is this one compiled against and if sid, which libraries do I have to upgrade and will it break my present setup? In other words, short of compiling, has someone done a deb? Thanks, Jonathan
Re: New Gimp 1.2 in pool is...?
Colin Watson wrote: 'dpkg -I foo.deb' will show you information about a package you've downloaded. In this case, though, it depends on sid's glibc, so you'll have to 'apt-get source gimp1.2' and compile it yourself. I thought so, just holding out hope someone had done it. Have you the debian url for source? And do I need just 1) Gimp 1.2 2) What about the extras? 3) Any other GTK files or Perl? Thanks, Jonathan Hey, I think I finally got the hang of i-
