Re: Sharing Linux printer with Mac

[Joseph Haig]

--- Chinook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A recap and progress update so anyone interested can get a quicker
> picture:
> 


I'm coming into this discussion rather late, so apologies if my
suggestion has been tried and/or rejected already.

I found that putting the line:

BrowsePoll 192.168.0.2:631

into the cupsd.conf file made the machine, either Mac or Linux, able to
see all printers on the machine 192.168.0.2.  The cupsd.conf file for
the machine with the printer connected needs:

BrowseAllow From 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0

I too was frustrated to find that Mac's fancy gui front-end to
everything didn't seem to have any way of setting this, or even any
suggestion of 'proper' way to use printers on a UNIX network.

Hope this helps,

Joe



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Re: need Lilypond 2.6

[Joseph Haig]

--- debian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 03:40:11PM +0100, Andreas Janssen wrote:
> > Hello
> > 
> > icmp (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > 
> > > is there packages.debian.org alternative anywhere ?
> 
> Have we any idea when package searching at debian.org will be back on
> air ?
> 
> I am badly stuck for lilypond v2.6 and I have hosed my denyhosts also
> :-(
> 

I don't know the answer to your question, but you could get Lilypond
via lilypond's own page:

  

(which, incidentally, just directs you to the sid and etch repositories
on ftp.debian.org).  You need to get 3 files: lilypond for your
architecture, lilypond-data and lilypond-doc.  If you need them for
Sarge, I made a backport some time ago which I may be able to dig out
if you want, although you are probably better off compiling it again
yourself as they are now a bit dated.

Hope this helps,

Joe



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Re: please help me....

[Joseph Haig]

--- rozita reza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  im going to use linux as my server for windows clients what distro
> should i use out of Debian and Redhat or Fedora core.?
>  i prefer Debian but i doubt...
>  please help me, thank you ..
>  
> 

You are asking a Debian mailing list, so do not be surprised if all the
replies say use Debian.

DON'T use Fedora!  It is OK for desktops, but it is permanently under
development and so (in my opinion) it should not be used on a server. 
If you are considering Redhat but don't want to pay the licence fees,
have a look at CentOS (www.centos.org), which is Redhat Enterprise
recompiled and repackaged with all the copyright material removed.

Personally, I would use Debian stable.




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Re: Inetd vs. Xinetd

[Joseph Haig]

--- Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Simply put... being the relative newbie that I am, is there an
> advantage to 
> having the xinetd package rather than netkit-inetd? Currently, I have
> 
> netkit-inetd installed. Would I be better off removing it and
> installing 
> xinetd? 
> 
> Any insight is greatly appreciated.
> 

This is something I have been trying to find out myself as well.  I
have been told that inetd is insecure and not recommended, and I assume
that xinetd solves much of these security problems, although I have no
evidence to back this up (mainly because I have not been able to find
out what these problems are supposed to be (apart from DoS attacks,
which xinted claims to be able to avoid)).  The xinetd home page has a
faq that explains some of the main differences:

  

Hope this helps,

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Re: Help with Linux selection please?

[Joseph Haig]

Sorry, been away for a bit and only just managing to catch up (hence
the reply to a 10-day-old post).

--- Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Lots of folks like Ubuntu.
> 
> I've heard a lot of good things about Ubuntu, though I've never
> used it. I've heard two bad(?) things about Ubuntu. One is that
> it, like Mandrake, has a semi-commercial air to it, and some
> suppose that it might turn commercial some time or other.
> The other is that it may be difficult to migrate from Ubuntu
> to some other distro, as it's somewhat non-stock with some
> kernel and other changes.
> 

According to th Ubuntu web page "Ubuntu will always be free of charge".
 You can read into this what you will (maybe Redhat said something
similar once, but I doubt it).  I, however, am willing to take it at
face value.  Also, there is enough momentum behind it already so that
if it did turn commercial I would not be surprised if a new free
distribution started off from the latest available Ubuntu.

> Mandrake has gone commercial, and is now called Mandrivia.
> So there is precedent for such a conversion, and if migration
> is an issue, then...
> 

I could be wrong, but I think that Mandrake was always commercial. 
Initially, however, they tried trading with a "we'll give you the
software for free, but please give us some money if you want" policy,
which didn't work too well and nearly resulted in bankrupcy (now well
in the past).  Now they appear to have a "we'll give you the previous
version for free, and most of the current one as well but for the full
current one it will cost you" policy, which is a better way of running
a profit making organisation.

For what it's worth, I have tried Ubuntu and I think it looks good,
although I do have one or two issues with it.  For example, I know that
most mice are PS/2 these days but the machine I happened to try it on
has an old serial mouse which Ubuntu didn't pick up.  Not a good start.

Bye,

Joe



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Re: No comments

[Joseph Haig]

--- "Andrew M.A. Cater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 10:59:50AM +0200, Rafi Gabzu wrote:
> > Hi ,
> > In the last two weeks I stopped receiving answers to the questions
> I
> > post in this mailing list , till now it was very help full.
> > What happened ? something that I did ...?
> > Thanks,
> > Rafi
> 

I don't know but I'm sure that Andy will give you a good answer.

;-)

> It may just be that 
> 
> a.) Everyone thought everyone else was going to answer
> b.) No one had the appropriate answer.
> 
> Don't worry - be happy :)
> 
> Andy
> 



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Re: Login Problem

[Joseph Haig]

--- Libin Varghese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> On my system I had 2 user root and xyz, while i was logged on as
> xyz 
> on my gnome i changed my username to abc and logged on again. It
> gives 
> me the following message.
> 
> 
> Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds. If you have not logged
> 
> out yourself this could mean that there is some problem with your 
> installation or that you may be out of disksapce. Try logging with
> one 
> of the failsafe sessions to see if you can fix the problem.
> 
> 
> I dont think there is any installation problem as I could log on to
> xyz 
> many a times before i changed it and I may definitaly not out of
> space 
> (around 3 GB free space). I tried failsafe gnome, it gave me similar 
> errors. What should i do to restore my system?
> 

How did you change your username?  My first guess is that when you log
in as abc it is looking for a home directory /home/abc and, not being
able to find it, ends the session immediately.  Gnome (or maybe gdm or
xdm) is set to bring up a warning if there are unusually short
sessions.




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Re: Building ant from etch

[Joseph Haig]

--- "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 12:20:32PM +, Joseph Haig wrote:
> > I am backporting ant-1.6.5 from testing to stable (as part of the
> > process of attempting to backport openoffice.org) and it seems to
> have
> 
> You shouldn't need to do that.  The only reason for depending on Ant
> 1.6.5 is because of the dependency on gcj-4.0.  So, unless you are
> backporting all of gcc-4.0, you don't need the newer Ant.
> 

That is the case, gcj-4.0 is a build dependency for Openoffice.  Of
course, it is entirely possible that I am missing something vital, as
this is only my second attempt at backporting.  Is it possible (and
sensible) to override the build dependency and use the version of gcc
in stable?

Thanks,

Joe




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Building ant from etch

[Joseph Haig]

I am backporting ant-1.6.5 from testing to stable (as part of the
process of attempting to backport openoffice.org) and it seems to have
just hung after showing the following lines:

...
  [javadoc] Resolving references in package comments...
  [javadoc] Running doclet...
  [javadoc] Building cross-reference information...
  [javadoc] Writing overview files...
  [javadoc] Writing full tree...

'top' shows (near) zero cpu usage and 'df' shows that no files are
being written to disk.  Also, there have been lots of warnings like:

  [javadoc] WARNING: Cannot locate class
java.util.zip.InflaterInputStream referenced in class
org.apache.tools.zip.ZipFile.BoundedInputStream

It has been like this for around half an hour now.  Anyone have any
idea what may be up with it?

Thanks,

Joe



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Re: Dual processor

[Joseph Haig]

--- "Andrew M.A. Cater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 11:48:50PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I've installed sarge from DVD onto a dual pentium 3 machine.  How
> can I 
> > tell whether debian has detected both processors?  Or can I just
> assume it 
> > will have? 
> > 
> 
> Top may show this too.
> 

By default, top shows the percentage usage of all processors combined,
but if you press '1' it will split them, and you should see something
like this near the top of the display:

Cpu0 :  0.3% us,  0.0% sy,  0.0% ni, 99.0% id,  0.0% wa,  0.3% hi, 
0.3% si
Cpu1 :  0.7% us,  0.3% sy,  0.0% ni, 99.0% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi, 
0.0% si

Bye,

Joe





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Re: Remote printing in cups

[Joseph Haig]

--- jpg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Migrating from lpr to cups, and can't get past square 1.
> 
> Have read reams of docs
> Downloaded latest bits off of sourceforge.
> Gotten ppd for the remote printer.
> 
> My setup is this:
> 
>  ---   
> -
> | Debian wS |  ->  | HP-UX Print Server |  ->  / Networked HP
> LasterJet /
>  ---   
> -
> 
> The GUI gnome-cups-add and gnome-cups-manager don't seem to be unable
> to set
> up remote printing via a remote print server.
> 
> Tried direct with lpadmin, however every command fails with can't 
> communicate with server I supply after the -h option.
> 
> Anybody else done this?
> 
> Firm frowns on connecting directly to the network printers, therefore
> need
> to go through print server?
> 

In the files /etc/cups/cupsd.conf files on the server and workstations
respectively, I have the following lines:

BrowseAllow From 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
(server)

BrowsePoll 192.168.0.2:631
(workstation)

My local network is 192.168.0.0/24 and the machine with the printer
connected is 192.168.0.2.  I have yet to find a way to configure these
other than editing the config files themselves.

Hope this helps,

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Re: Ram memory after many days

[Joseph Haig]

--- Carl Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> gustavo halperin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Hello
> > 
> >  I commonly use the next applications: Mozilla, gnu-emacs, gv, xpdf
> > and many xterminals.  The problem is that after many days without
> > restart the system the memory grow a little more any day and after
> > aprox. 20 days I have all my 775MB occupied by the system and even
> if
> > I close all the applications the memory occupied still the same,
> just
> > reboot the system free this memory.
> >  My question is how release the memory that is not in use any more?
> 
> I have similar problems, and I know it isn't used by the buffers and
> cache as others have already suggested.  I have to exit from
> X-windows, so it appears that X has some major memory leaks.  My
> system seems to lose about 50MB/day, so that means I have to restart
> X-windows every couple of weeks before I fill up RAM and swap.
> 
> Does anybody else have any suggestions on how to trace those memory
> leaks without rebuilding the entire system from source?  I have
> already tried 'xrestop', but it doesn't appear to be the
> applications,
> so it must be at the server or library level.  I use similar
> applications as the original writer, except I use Firefox instead of
> Mozilla, and I use wmaker without gnome or KDE.

I haven't used it myself, but I am told that valgrind is useful for
this sort of thing.

However, I agree with the other posters who state that the memory is
probably not being leaked but is in fact getting buffered and cached. 
How much swap space is being used?  Swap should only be used if the
memory has really run out so if it is hardly being used at all then you
do not have a problem.

Bye,

Joe



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Re: OpenOffice 2 on Sarge?

[Joseph Haig]

--- Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On (09/11/05 12:08), Eriberto wrote:
> > David Mummery escreveu:
> > >How can I install OpenOffice 2 on Sarge? Haven't found much useful
> info on 
> > >the
> > >web yet.
> > 
> > OpenOffice 2 is available on unstable repository.
> 
> It is but that version is unlikely to work on sarge (different
> dependencies etc.)
> 

I can confirm this.  I tried this as a test, getting all the necessary
dependencies from testing and unstable but there was at least one
package (libmyspell3c2) which required the removal of another package
from stable (libmyspell3) leading to other things needing upgrading,
such as gnome.

I think the sensible options are:

  1) Get the package directly from OpenOffice.org
  2) Create a backport (and let me have a copy, please  ;-) )
  3) Upgrade to sid

Bye,

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Re: how to regress to stable

[Joseph Haig]

--- Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 07:45:49PM -0800, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> > I've been using etch/testing on my laptop since the change over.. 
> > 
> > I would like to know of an easy way, short of a re-install, to
> revert
> > back to stable.
> 

Go and fix all the release critical bugs and maybe Etch can be released
as stable tomorrow.  There are only about 400 (see
)  ;-)

Seriously, though ...

> There are no good ones, and Sarge is really very easy to install. 
> Bite the
> bullet.

I think that this is the best option.  If you haven't already, create a
separate partition for /home and you can be fairly sure that you will
not lose anything important if you need to re-install again.

Bye,

Joe



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Re: Writing technical text

[Joseph Haig]

--- Alan Ezust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 10/22/05, Rogério Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Oct 22 2005, Alan Ezust wrote:
> > > Docbook/XML can also be converted to LaTEX (although the reverse
> is
> > > not true).
> >
> > Actually, with a few indirect steps, LaTeX can be converted back to
> > docbook: just run latex2html or tex4ht on the LaTeX file, then
> convert
> > the resulting XML file to docbook and you are done.
> 
> 
> How do you handle the equations in a LaTEX document?
> 

$x=y^2+2x+3$

for example, or,

$\sum_{k=1}^n k = \frac{n(n+1)}{2}$

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Re: Minimal instalation

[Joseph Haig]

--- Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mitja Podreka wrote:
> 
> > hello
> >
> > I have few old computers in a library and I want to set them up so
> > that they will run Firefox for web browsing and nothing else.
> > I've done a basic Sarge (net)install and then x-window + window
> > manager + Firefox.
> > Is there any better way? Is there a way to get even smaller load on
> > the poor old computers?
> 
> 1. Thin client
> 
> or
> 
> 2. Take the window manager out of the picture, using just x-window +
> Firefox (but you might have issues). To try this, create a ~/.xinitrc
> and put "mozilla-firefox" in it as the only line, kill any ?dm login
> managers, and start X manually with "startx".

Searching on Google for 'firefox kiosk' I found this:

  

which suggests that you do need at least a window manager.  In this
article they use IceWM, but I don't see why twm should work if you want
it to be as minimal as possible.

Also, if you are not dead set on using Firefox, you could try this
instead:

 


Bye,

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Re: OpenOffice.org 2.0

[Joseph Haig]

--- Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Edit your sources.list file (usually in /etc/apt). Add the following
> line:
> 
> deb http://people.debian.org/~rene/openoffice.org/2.x ./
> 
> Once you've done that, run apt-get update followed by
> apt-get install openoffice.org
> 

Will this work in Sarge or just Testing/Unstable?

Thanks,

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Re: Y or I, N or O

[Joseph Haig]

--- Ken Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Joseph Haig wrote:
> > --- Oliver Elphick  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 10:49 +0100, Joseph Haig wrote:
> >>
> >>>When upgrading with "apt-get upgrade" I get the option to install
> a
> >>
> >>new
> >>
> >>>configuration file or keep the existing one.  The options are
> >>>
> >>>Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
> >>>N or O  : keep your currently-installed version
> >>>
> >>>Now, I know that with either Y or I and N or O, both old and new
> >>>versions of the file are saved, but it doesn't say which!  Which
> of
> >>
> >>N
> >>
> >>>or O do I need to use to save a copy of the new file?
> >>
> >>Either.
> >>
> >>If you choose Y, the existing configuration file will be saved as
> >>.dpkg-old and replaced by the package's version.
> >>
> >>If you choose N, the existing configuration file will be left
> >>untouched
> >>and the new version will be saved in the same directory under the
> >>name
> >>.dpkg-dist (or .dpkg-new).
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks.  But if this is the case, what do I and O do?
> 
> They decide which one is going to have the original name, right now.
> 
> i.e. if you hit I, the the new one will be called  and the
> old
> one will be called .dpkg-old, and if you start the program
> without changing anything (which is very likely to happen as most of
> the
> programs with global configuration files are daemons which are
> restarted
> immediately), then the package maintainer's configuration will be
> used
> immediately.
> 

Thanks.  What I meant was how does I differ from Y, and O differ from
N, because I originally thought that one option in each case would
delete the unused config file.  Someone has already said that there is
no difference.

Bye,

Joe



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Re: Y or I, N or O

[Joseph Haig]

--- Oliver Elphick  wrote:

> On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 10:49 +0100, Joseph Haig wrote:
> > When upgrading with "apt-get upgrade" I get the option to install a
> new
> > configuration file or keep the existing one.  The options are
> > 
> > Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
> > N or O  : keep your currently-installed version
> > 
> > Now, I know that with either Y or I and N or O, both old and new
> > versions of the file are saved, but it doesn't say which!  Which of
> N
> > or O do I need to use to save a copy of the new file?
> 
> Either.
> 
> If you choose Y, the existing configuration file will be saved as
> .dpkg-old and replaced by the package's version.
> 
> If you choose N, the existing configuration file will be left
> untouched
> and the new version will be saved in the same directory under the
> name
> .dpkg-dist (or .dpkg-new).

Thanks.  But if this is the case, what do I and O do?






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Y or I, N or O

[Joseph Haig]

When upgrading with "apt-get upgrade" I get the option to install a new
configuration file or keep the existing one.  The options are

Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
N or O  : keep your currently-installed version

Now, I know that with either Y or I and N or O, both old and new
versions of the file are saved, but it doesn't say which!  Which of N
or O do I need to use to save a copy of the new file?

Thanks,

Joe



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Re: Where did the diskusage increase?

[Joseph Haig]

--- John Plate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I'm looking for a tool that can tell where diskusage has increased
> since last time the tool was run. 
> 
> Does such a tool exist?
> 

This may be a 'sledgehammer to crack a nut' solution, but I use munin
to monitor various things, including disk space.  There is also mrtg,
which does much the same thing.  Both display the results through a web
frontend.

Mind you, now re-reading your question I think you really want to find
specific directories where disk usage has changed rather thank total
disk usagg.  I suspect that you could do this with either munin or mrtg
but it would require some hacking of the plugins.

Bye,

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Re: Remote linux desktop access

[Joseph Haig]

--- "Antonio Rafael C. Paiva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Does anyone know how to have X access remotely through ssh?
> If I open a terminal and connect using ssh I can open specific 
> application but not the whole desktop environment, that I would like 
> to map to a different display on my machine.
> (I'm using X.org.)
> 

You could use vnc or xdmcp, depending on what you want exactly.  vnc
will allow you to leave yourself logged in and then access the session
remotely while xdmcp will allow you to log into a new session of a
remote machine as if it were local.  You can set up xdmcp via the gui
login screen and this may be of some use:

  

I'm not sure about the security implications of this if you are doing
it over the internet.  Chapter 3 of this HowTo says "using XDMCP to
display X across Internet is basically a no-no" but maybe you can
tunnel it through SSH.  I haven't read it in too much detail, but that
seems to be what it is suggesting.

Hope this helps,

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Re: testing & stable: vanished packages?

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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm wondering why some packages aren't available for
> the testing distribution.  For example, I wanted to
> install apcalc (in the math section) but learned that
> it's available only for the unstable and stable
> distributions, not for the testing. (I searched
> at http://www.debian.org .)
> 

I was just starting to wonder the same thing.  After trying
unsucessfully to install 'testing' from scratch I found that the only
reliable way is to install 'stable' first and then upgrade.  More
recently I found, like you, that some packages are not available in
'testing' and I suspect that this is why some of my installs didn't
work.  For the sake of getting things to work I have started including
both 'stable' and 'testing' in my /etc/apt/sources.list file, but I'm
sure this isn't the right thing to do.




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Re: Hi Can I tell root mail (from Cron) to go Elseware?

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--- Fred OGrady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone.
>  I would like to send these messages to my gmail account instead. any
> ideas?

Yes.  'man cron' says the following:

  "When executing commands, any output is mailed to the owner of the
  crontab  (or to the user named in the MAILTO environment variable
  in the crontab if such exists)."

So at the start of your crontab you need a line with something like:

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Re: Someone is breaking etch (testing)?

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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > If this is its 
> > intended pupose, wouldn't it be a good idea to try to assure that
> large 
> > scale problems are kept to a minimum?
> 
> No, because that isn't its intended purpose.

This being the case, is it possible (and relatively easy) for me to set
up my own private mirror with an extra distribution sitting between
stable and testing into which I can manually move packages from testing
or unstable when I think they are ready?

> (and that's without even getting into the subject that testing does
> not get direct security updates.  Stable does.  Unstable effectively
> gets them through uploads.  Testing doesn't get them until the
> packages
> trickle down from unstable, which could take a long while depending
> on
> the situation.  So running testing requires *a lot* more effort on
> keeping up to date with security issues.)
> 

This is not true any more.  As of the beginning of the month, security
updates are available for testing:

  

> -c
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: What is the different between kernel-image and linux-image

[Joseph Haig]

--- Hendrik Boom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 09:40:57AM +0100, Joseph Haig wrote:
> > --- Tony Godshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Debian is moving toward equality among kernels- hurd, bsd,
> > > and even windows (gah!).
> > > 
> > 
> > So there is truth in the rumours that Windows Vista is going to be
> > Linux based?  But I suppose Debian with a Windows kernel wouldn't
> > strictly be Linux based.  I dread to think what it would be, though
> -
> > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049366/>
> 
> Never heard of Windows Vista.  What is it?
> 

Official name of the next version of Windows, previously called
Longhorn.  It is due to be released in summer 2004 - wait, I think the
deadline may have slipped a bit.




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Re: Cannot access the computer

[Joseph Haig]

--- michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 13:04 +0200, Mitja Podreka wrote:
> > Hello
> > 
> > I have a big problem. I have six new computers running Mandrake. I
> > would like to migrate them to Debian, but everything is password
> > protected and the people who installed the original OS forgot all
> the
> > passwords.
> > I tried today to boot from a live CD, but found out that BIOS is
> set
> > to boot from hard disc and access to BIOS is password protected.
> > What can I do?
> 

What can you do?

  (1) Cry
  (2) Shoot whoever set and forgot all the passwords
  (3) Reset the BIOS

(3) is probably the most profitable option, and googling for 'reset
bios' found the following:

  

I haven't tried this myself, but I would guess that it is the only
option.

> warning: think before following:
> 
> are you saying HD is first boot option or only boot option? For the
> former, wipe the HD so it won't boot and then boot off alternative
> media
> might be a poss if you're happy to lose everything 
> 

My guess is that it would not be possible to find how the boot options
are set without the BIOS password, so this could result in a blank disk
and no way to install anything on it.






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Re: What is the different between kernel-image and linux-image

[Joseph Haig]

--- Tony Godshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Debian is moving toward equality among kernels- hurd, bsd,
> and even windows (gah!).
> 

So there is truth in the rumours that Windows Vista is going to be
Linux based?  But I suppose Debian with a Windows kernel wouldn't
strictly be Linux based.  I dread to think what it would be, though -


(Apologies to Tony for accidentally sending this first to him rather
than the list)





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Re: Newbie wants Firefox and Tbird

[Joseph Haig]

--- Albert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am a new user of Debian.  My first task after system install is 
> to install Firefox and Tbird, preferably the latest 1.0.6 or 
> 1.0.7.  It's a piece of cake to download and install these from 
> the mozilla site, but I have no idea how I might then wrap them 
> with an icon and to get them to show in the menus.  Do debian 
> users not do this sort of thing?  If so, could someone point me 
> to the appropriate documentation?

Firefox and Thunderbird are already in the Debian distribution.  Try:

$ apt-get install mozilla-firefox mozilla-thunderbird

... or install them via aptitude.  Hope this helps.

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Re: Howto make the computer beep when system is halted?

[Joseph Haig]

--- Clemens Eisserer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Some Linux distributions make make the computer play a beep-sound
> when
> the computer is halted which is quite useful for shutting down
> screenless servers.
> 
> Is this also possible with debian?
> 

Some time ago I had a problem with a server that would not power down
automatically so I added the following lines to /etc/init.d/halt to
make it beep continually when it had shut down fully:

while test true
do
  echo -e "\a"
  sleep 1
done

This should come after the 'halt' statement and before the ': exit 0'.

However, if your computer automatically powers down I do not think it
will ever reach the 'echo -e "\a"', which causes the beep.

Hope that helps,

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Re: Common Users And Passwords For Multiple Computers

[Joseph Haig]

--- John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I'm trying to set up a about half a dozen linux boxes for my company.
> I wanted to know how I can set one machine to maintain an user and
> password list that would be accessible to all of the computers.
> 

There is a How To for NIS here:

http://www.linux-nis.org/nis-howto/

Once you have set up an NIS server, debian should automatically set up
any clients for you when you install the 'nis' package.

You will also probably want to have users' home directories available
from all computers, which you can do very easily with NFS.  Again, here
is a How To:

http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/

You shouldn't need to install anything extra for this as NFS is fairly
standard.

Hope that helps,

Joe





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Re: Overwhelmed newbie

[Joseph Haig]

--- Fritz Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Help!  I have recently begun an attempt to install Debian on a Sony
> laptop (Mobile AMD K6-2 550MHz, 64MB RAM), and am thoroughly
> overwhelmed with choices about which I know nothing!
> 
> I only need the ability to dial-up and network, surf the internet (I
> have Opera for Linux ready to install), and do some Office type stuff
> (I have OpenOffice for Linux ready to install, as well) at this
> point.  But, when installing, I am faced with long lists of packages
> that I must choose whether to install.  Can anybody give me a good
> list of what to choose?  I am installing Debian 3.0 r4 i3.
> 

During the install you should have been given the option to select what
tasks the machine is going to perform, out of a list of about 5 or 6
options.  The first, if I remember correctly, is 'Desktop', which will
install all you need.  If you want to use Opera you will need to
install that afterwards as it is not included in the Debian
distribution.

You should not really need to search through the whole list of
individual packages.

Bye,

Joe





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Re: How do you "move to testing/etch"?

[Joseph Haig]

--- marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've scoured the archives and docs, and googled the globe, but I
> cannot 
> find an explanation for safely moving - as safe as it can be - from 
> stable/sarge to testing/etch.
> 
> The Debian Reference has chapter 5, 'Upgrading a distribution to
> stable,
> testing, or unstable', but it is non-generic and very much out of
> date - 
> as well as stating, "After properly setting up /etc/apt/sources.list
> and 
> /etc/apt/preferences as described above you can begin the upgrade.", 
> without actually saying what needs to be done.
> 
> My best guess is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and apt-get update,
> apt-
> get dist-upgrade, but can anyone point to a good description of the 
> process, please.
> 

I am by no means an expert, but I believe that your 'best guess' is all
that is needed - it works for me, at least.  So in summary, edit
/etc/apt/sources.list, replacing sarge or stable in each line with etch
or testing and then execute the following:

$ apt-get update
$ apt-get dist-upgrade


The start of my sources.list file looks like this:

deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib

deb http://the.earth.li/debian-secure-testing testing/security-updates
main contrib non-free
deb-src http://the.earth.li/debian-secure-testing
testing/security-updates main contrib non-free

deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free

I'm not sure I really need the last line, but it doesn't seem to do any
harm.  I think it is only there because I originally installed sarge
and then upgraded to testing, which didn't have security updates at
that time.

> In addition, is there a written example of adding a package from sid?
> 

I don't know about this.  My only experience with sid is accidentally
installing it instead of testing, and then finding that nothing worked.

Hope this helps,

Joe





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Re: sarge: the worst distro?

[Joseph Haig]

--- Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> a joe wrote:
> > i have used Debian 1.2, 2.0, 2.1, potato and woody. with each new 
> > version come some new features that i found useful.
> > 
> > a few days ago i installed sarge and found it the worst Debian
> distro 
> > because no new features is valuable to me.
> > 
> 
> No, no, don't answer!! Damn, I answered! The devil made me do it!
> 
> And your post IS valuable? How? Any new information here? Yes! Sarge
> is 
> the worst for a joe!
> 

I object to that statement!  ;-)

(Aaagh!  I replied to this thread!)

Bye,

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Re: Newbie: How do I defrag my drive?

[Joseph Haig]

--- Tim Ruehsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> > You don't need to.  You only need to defragment your disk if your
> > operating system is incapable of keeping the fragmentation under
> > control, and Linux does not suffer from this problem.
> 
> Many people say so, but it is not true.
> 
> Ext2 takes some precautions to reduce fragmentation a bit (in
> comparison with 
> (V)FAT), but ext2 can't prevent it. And it is not a feature of
> 'Linux' it is 
> a feature of the filesystem.
> 

You are right on both counts - any filesystem has some degree of
fragmentation and the feature is specific to the filesystem - but this
is more information than your average newbie really wants, so I stand
by what I said.  Any filesystem used by Linux will keep the
fragmentation under control, albeit without eradicating it completely. 
Yes, you could probably install Linux on a FAT filesystem but would you
really want to?  Likewise, I guess you could install Windows on ext3
(if you were particularly perverse and persistent) but I wouldn't like
to see the result.

I look after (not on my own ;-) ) around 200 servers all running Linux,
some of which have been in constant use for hundreds of days.  It is
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Re: Newbie: How do I defrag my drive?

[Joseph Haig]

--- Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I realized, I've had Sarge installed for a few months, and I should
> probably 
> defragment my partitions. How can I do this?
> 

You don't need to.  You only need to defragment your disk if your
operating system is incapable of keeping the fragmentation under
control, and Linux does not suffer from this problem.



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Re: Mysql Editor/creator

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--- Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> Does anyone know a mysql editor that will also show me things like
> relations between the tables etc?
> 

Would something like phpMyAdmin (see www.phpmyadmin.net) be what you
are looking for?






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Re: how to compute number bytes downloaded?

[Joseph Haig]

--- michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm trying to weight up whether monthly d/load caps by various ISPs
> would restrict me. (Firstly I'm assuming when they say 1Gb they mean
> 1000*1024 bytes and not bits?) More importantly, what's the best way
> to
> track amount of data downloaded per session? For anybody that's
> interested the main thing I'll be doing is running xterms on remote
> machines pointed back to mine at home but I've not idea how much
> traffic
> X involves.
> 

Hello Michael.  How are things?  I see you have moved from the CNC.

If you want an idea of what traffic you are using at a particular
moment you can use nload, which gives you a live chart of traffic in
and out.  To get more long term information there are a couple of
packages that I can think of: MRTG and Munin.  Of the two I would say
that Munin is easier to set up.

Bye,

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Re: File cutting

[Joseph Haig]

--- Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> What utility can I use to cut a file in different pieces and then
> assemble them back together?
> 

split and cat

To cut a file into 140 byte pieces (to fit onto floppy disks, for
example):

$ split --bytes=140 INPUT PREFIX

This will take the file INPUT and split it into a collection of files
called PREFIXaa, PREFIXab, etc.

To put them back together again:

$ cat PREFIXaa PREFIXab ... > newfile

Hope this helps,

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Re: isp service

[Joseph Haig]

--- roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sunday 03 July 2005 16:04, TedNick wrote:
> > How and where can I find a Linux friendly ISP.
> 
> Best of luck. I've only heard of one linux friendly ISP in England.
> 

And that would be?  ;-)

The original poster didn't say where he is, but if he is in England you
could try Mailbox (www.mailbox.co.uk), who describe themselves as the
"technically friendly ISP".  You can call the help desk and talk Linux
to them.  They are also one of the few who still provide a static IP
address.

Of course, any ISP should work OK with Linux, although, as you found,
you may be on your own with regards getting it set up.

Bye,

Joseph Haig

> > I need the DNS or IP address number.
> 
> Maybe, then again maybe not.
> 
> > All of the ISP's that I have contacted do not want to provide me
> with that
> > number.
> 
> If your a client, they should be able to give it. When I asked my ISP
> for 
> these detail, I had to talk to a supervisor.
> 
> > They say sorry. You cannot use Linux.
> 
> Bull Sh*t. You can use anything you want too, as long as they're
> (your ISP is) 
> standard compliant. They probably don't support DOS, OS/2 or Mac
> either. I 
> know mine doesn't.
> 
> 1. Get as much details as you can.
> 2. Boot up with Knoppix.
> 3. Configure PPP and KPPP with what you have and go to:
> 
> KPPP > Configure > Accounts
> 
> Setup an account.
> 
> And then under Edit > DNS
> 
> Set Configuration to Automatic.
> 
> This should get you online with the same info they give to Windows
> users.
> 
> If they have a setup CD that they normally tell people to use. I just
> tell 
> them, "My CD-ROM drive is bust" and "Can they talk me through it".
> 
> Then just right everything down. Some of that info will be useful to
> you.
> 
> Once your online, look in /etc/resolv.conf while online and you'll
> see that 
> KPPP has written your ISP's DNS server IP addresses in there. Copy it
> if you 
> want it. It's only there while your online.
> 
> Also while connected. If you click on the "Details" on KPPP's active
> connect 
> dialogue box. You'll see your temporary IP addresses as well as your
> ISP's 
> permanent IP address.
> 
> Best of luck.
> 
> -- 
> Robert "roach" Spencer
> Pietermaritzburg
> South Africa
> 
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Re: content filtering

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--- Juan Manuel Tato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hi, i'm looking for information about content filtering
> using squid.
> i'd like to filter porno site for my network.
> thanks in advance
> manuel
> 

If you want something free you can try squidguard (www.squidguard.org),
but I found when I tried it some time ago that there wasn't easy to get
an up to date blacklist, which is essential for what you want.  I use
Optenet (optenet.com), which is a commercial package that runs as a
helper application for Squid.  One advantage of Optenet for you is that
it is a Spanish company, so the text analyser in Spanish is probably as
well developed as the English.

Bye,

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