RE: Debian logo stolen.
-Original Message- From: Ken Gilmour [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 19 December 2003 10:22 AM To: Debian User Mailinglist Subject: Re: Debian logo stolen. On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:55:33 +0100, Nils-Erik Svangård wrote: Hi! I remember some news about elektrostore.se had stolen the Debian logo. Since they are still using it, did nothing happen? /nisse Those bastards... Id kick ass if they could speak english! They probably do. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: right kernal for AMD
-Original Message- From: Andreas Janssen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 17 December 2003 1:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: right kernal for AMD Hello Gruessle ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: How do I find out what the right image is for a AMD 700? apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 386, 586, k6 and k7 systems Seems your system is an Athlon or Duron, so the following kernels will work: bf2.4 386 586 k6 k7 I would use the k7-Kernel, that one was compiled for your system. The other ones work because your processor is downward compatible to them. best regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 Registered Linux User #267976 How much actual difference is there between those kernel? Any noticable performance increase ? m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sneaking past firewalls: ssh on port 23 or 80?
-Original Message- From: Nunya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2003 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sneaking past firewalls: ssh on port 23 or 80? As I think about getting a job, I realize wherever next will probably block outgoing traffic on most ports. I always thought I could have ssh listen on some port which gets through like FTP port or HTTP port to bypass all those restrictions. Two obvious, unavoidable problems will be: my employer probably won't want me wasting bandwidth and opening a security hole. (1) Will it work and (2) is it opening a security hole? What are the workarounds? I guess I could live in a Ricochet city and use my own laptop not plugged into the company .net. Does anybody have any thoughts? Sure, how about you respect your future employers wishes and not try to abuse their systems. mj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sneaking past firewalls: ssh on port 23 or 80?
-Original Message- From: Nunya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2003 10:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sneaking past firewalls: ssh on port 23 or 80? On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 06:14:54PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: home-work). However, my employer doesn't mind. I use tunnelling just to bypass the technical limits of a single IP address and NAT. Thanks, I was looking for at least one person to say my employer doesn't mind. Of course, they are trusting you, because you are in a controlled way blowing holes in the security perimeter. Obviously from Matthew Joyce's response some people don't feel the same! All I want to do is (1) listen to internet radio, if its blocked and (2) do my ordinary, noncriminal private things that everyone does at work anyway truly in private. Why o why must I always end up in these mental gray areas!!! Thanks. Well, just to clarify, I run a couple of small networks. Our traffic is measured and paid for accordingly, staff listening to internet radio is a waste of money. I actually do not enforce many blocked ports, and prefer to manage traffic by educating staff about security, and about resposible use of resources. I work for a non-profit org, we are always trying to save money. anyway, from an IT point of view I 'd prefer users to not try to find way to get round security. It's just plain rude. mj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3c556 Hurricaine Cardbus
Hi, I'm just going through menuconfig for 2.4.22, and I cannot find a 3Com 3c556 Hurricaine Cardbus nic in the networking section. It is a mini PCI card in a Gateway Solo laptop, the nic has been detected in stock woody install and still works after a upgrading to testing. Does anyone know what driver will work with this card in 2.4.22 ? Thanks mj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
arp slowness
I am trying to run 'nmap -sP xxx.xxx.xxx.0/24' and then 'arp -a' on two pcs on two different networks. On one woody box nmap runs as quick as I would expect... Nmap run completed -- 256 IP addresses (83 hosts up) scanned in 8 seconds On another woody box on a different network it takes much much longer to run and I am only trying to scan half as many. Nmap run completed -- 128 IP addresses (44 hosts up) scanned in 220 seconds Furthermore, after the nmap ping scan, arp produces lots of mac addresses for the faster nmap but only 2 mac addresses for the slower one. I'm not sure how to progress this, I'm going over later to change the physical port, to see if that might help. Noone on that network has reported any problems. The slow box has an old Tulip' nic of unknown history. Any ideas ? matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??
-Original Message- From: ScruLoose [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 5 December 2003 8:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ?? It's cracker. Not hacker. http://web.bilkent.edu.tr/Online/Jargon30/JARGON_C/CRACKER.HTM It's both according to OED. 3. a. A person with an enthusiasm for programming or using computers as an end in itself. colloq. (orig. U.S.). 1976 J. WEIZENBAUM Computer Power Human Reason iv. 118 The compulsive programmer, or hacker as he calls himself, is usually a superb technician. 1977 Time 5 Sept. 39/1 Some 500 retail outlets have opened in the past couple of years to sell and service microcomputersand serve as hangouts for the growing legions of home-computer nuts, or 'hackers' as they call themselves. 1982 Sci. Amer. Oct. 110/1 In the jargon of computer science a hacker is someone who spends much of his time writing computer programs. 1983 Byte May 298/1 'Hacker' seems to have originated at MIT. The original German/Yiddish expression referred to someone so inept as to make furniture with an axe, but somehow the meaning has been twisted so that it now generally connotes someone obsessed with programming and computers but possessing a fair degree of skill and competence. 1984 Which Micro? Dec. 17/3 A hacker might spend more time playing his own version of PacMan than on useful program development. 1986 A B Computing Nov. 16/3 The on-screen help is for the casual user but there's plenty for the hacker who wants to tinker with the software and tailor it for special purposes. b. A person who uses his skill with computers to try to gain unauthorized access to computer files or networks. colloq. 1983 Daily Tel. 3 Oct. 3/1 A hackercomputer jargon for an electronic eavesdropper who by-passes computer security systemsyesterday penetrated a confidential British Telecom message system being demonstrated live on BBC-TV. 1985 U.S.A. Today 18 Oct. A1/4 A gang of 23 teen-age computer hackers has done 'significant damage' to Chase Manhattan Bank's records. 1986 TeleLink Sept.-Oct. 25/2 Just for fun, the hackers decided to drop a few APBs (All Points Bulletins) into the local police computer, with the result that, when out driving in his car, he was repeatedly stopped. matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Pro ject Emergency Communications)
-Original Message- From: Monique Y. Herman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 5 December 2003 7:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications) On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 17:56 GMT, Paul Johnson penned: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:13:33PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote: Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the ones that want to do the job for the right reasons. Would also encourage just random people to get a job as a politician because it would be a reasonable income. Friends of mine postulated the idea of having politician duty in much the same was as we have jury duty ... you get a letter one day telling you it's your turn to serve. Pretty sure this was done in at least one ancient govt ... think it was Athens. This idea was explored in more detail in the novel Red Mars (or Green Mars, I forget which). m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backup question
-Original Message- From: Victory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2003 2:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Backup question Hi All, I want to back up some directories on Debian machine to Windows XP CDRW, I want to do it from Windows XP machine I have CDRW with Roxio Easy CD Creator software on Windows XP. Regards, Victor -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could use 'tar' to gather the data on the linux system, and use winscp to copy to the XP system for burning. http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/ Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Scripting Manuals
-Original Message- From: Anil Gupte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2003 11:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Scripting Manuals Where can I find some good scripting manuals that will teach me (a newbie) to write bash shell scripts? Thanx for any pointers. Anil Gupte I have asked for similar pointers in the past, and often Perl was suggested as an alternative. For a while I ignored the Perl option as I thought it was ott for what I wanted. Recently I took a stab at Perl and now I wished I had just gone for perl to start with. So I say to you, take a look at perl. m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
regarding kernels
I complied the kernel I am using last may. I noticed when I did an 'apt-get update', 'apt-get upgrade' that a kernel-source-2.4.18 was updated. So should I recompile ? thanks Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: regarding kernels
-Original Message- From: ScruLoose [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 1:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: regarding kernels On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 01:31:53PM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote: I complied the kernel I am using last may. I noticed when I did an 'apt-get update', 'apt-get upgrade' that a kernel-source-2.4.18 was updated. So should I recompile ? What I would say personally is: Unless the new kernel has features or hardware support that you actually want, don't bother. (if it works, don't fix it) But if you do take the trouble to compile a new kernel, why not use the current stable one, which I believe is 2.4.22 (exists as an official debian kernel-source package which is listed as sid and sarge but works fine on woody too)... Cheers! -- Thanks for your reply. So, not compiling, is not a security risk ? thanks Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Microsoft good press over Longhorn
Microsoft's software has always sucked, so I can't imagine they're losing too much sleep over quality or security, their Trusted Computing(tm) initiative notwithstanding. Excel is pretty neat and I wish there was a DOC Edit clone for linux. m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Microsoft good press over Longhorn
-Original Message- From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 31 October 2003 9:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 08:34:38AM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote: Excel is pretty neat and I wish there was a DOC Edit clone for linux. When I worked at Microsoft there was some discussion: far and away the most common use-case for Excel is entering a few rows and columns of data and making a chart. But nobody uses Microsoft tools like Microsoft itself: you should have *seen* some of the fancy spreadsheets the GM-level staff put together. I have this belief that 90% of jobs are unnecessary; they are just something for people to do all day because otherwise they'd go out and burn cars. Most of the things I have to do with Excel and Word fall in that category. For small datasets, I finally realized plaintext files and simple tools like gnuplot are more flexible than Excel. Granted most people who use Excel will not use many of the features, Excel 97 will be ok for most. I would imagine Gnumeric has heaps of stuff most people wont use too. I know the finance people I have worked with love excel and are proficient at using it, for them it is a totally useful tool. The researchers here all us excel and it is very useful and easy to be to wite vba functions and have them centralised and shared. Having Excel on PCs, Mac OS9 and OSX is also useful. For myself, I like the formula auditing function of Excel, I find it extremely useful. http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6270-1061218.html I'm not particulaly pro MS, but I find the Microsoft's software has always sucked rant boring. I know this is a linux list, and no doubt I'm in for a roasting. m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: using debian in a NT4 or AD environment
-Original Message- From: Darik Horn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 31 October 2003 12:24 PM To: Joyce, Matthew Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: using debian in a NT4 or AD environment Does anyone here use Debian as a file server in a NT4 or AD domain ? Yes. I'm just wondering what headaches the integration would bring, we have w2k pro/ os9.2 and osx 10.2 on the desktops. File serving is a relatively easy thing to configure, but you should begin using Debian now so that you are minimally comfortable with the system before you use it for real work. The older mac files can be a pain, but I guess I can have hfs. Investigate the netatalk package, which is like Samba, but for Macs. You can use Netatalk to serve files to AppleTalk clients without using HFS on the server. How do I control access to the files. With the unix permission model (rwxrwxrwx) or with a NT-style ACLs. Can I use nt group membership ? Will samba help here ? Do I need to create all the user accounts within debian too ? I only have 100+ users. (Yes, yes, and no.) The winbind package, which is part of the Samba suite, can map SIDs from an NT domain onto unix UIDs and GIDs. You'll need to learn about the nsswitch facility (for ID mapping) and pam (for password authentication). Joyce, Matthew wrote: Hi, Does anyone here use Debian as a file server in a NT4 or AD domain ? I'm just wondering what headaches the integration would bring, we have w2k pro/ os9.2 and osx 10.2 on the desktops. The older mac files can be a pain, but I guess I can have hfs. How do I control access to the files. Can I use nt group membership ? Will samba help here ? Do I need to create all the user accounts within debian too ? I only have 100+ users. this really is just a thought exercise, I'm not expecting to get any new hardware this year. Thanks. Matt -- Thanks, some interesting stuff for me to research and play with. m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Converting a partition from NTFS to Ext3
Hi. How can i do this without losing the data on my NTFS partition? This is the final step for moving completely from windows to linux! yay! Thanks You can't convert the partition in-place, you'll have to copy the data somewhere else, format it as ext3, and then copy it back. That is actually the case for every filesystem conversion (that I can think of). ext2 - ext3, nope. fat32 - ntfs, nope. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
using debian in a NT4 or AD environment
Hi, Does anyone here use Debian as a file server in a NT4 or AD domain ? I'm just wondering what headaches the integration would bring, we have w2k pro/ os9.2 and osx 10.2 on the desktops. The older mac files can be a pain, but I guess I can have hfs. How do I control access to the files. Can I use nt group membership ? Will samba help here ? Do I need to create all the user accounts within debian too ? I only have 100+ users. this really is just a thought exercise, I'm not expecting to get any new hardware this year. Thanks. Matt -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Converting a partition from NTFS to Ext3
Matt -- -Original Message- From: Rodney D. Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2003 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Converting a partition from NTFS to Ext3 On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:33:25 +1100 Joyce, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. How can i do this without losing the data on my NTFS partition? This is the final step for moving completely from windows to linux! yay! Thanks You can't convert the partition in-place, you'll have to copy the data somewhere else, format it as ext3, and then copy it back. That is actually the case for every filesystem conversion (that I can think of). ext2 - ext3, nope. fat32 - ntfs, nope. and your point? ext2 is built on top of ext2. fat32 to ntfs, kissing cousins, micro$oft filesystems. they are related, and not very different. My point is, not all filesystems conversions require a backup/partition/format/restore. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Debian Newbie Question on Network Config
/etc/network/interfaces or, alternatively you can install etherconf. 'apt-get install etherconf' this will lead you through a prompted setup. Matt -- -Original Message- From: Alberto Tobias [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2003 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Debian Newbie Question on Network Config Hi, I relatively new to LInux. The last couple of months I have been dabbling with some distributions, but right now I am staying with Debian. I have however one question. I have troubles with my network card. I can get it up and running ok, using the tulip drivers from scyld.org. I can configure it, add the default routes etc etc. But I have to do this everytime I boot the system, because I don't know where to add the configuration so it is set up right when it boots. Where do I do this? Which startup scripts do I need to change? Thanks in advance, Alberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: netiquette: CCing on lists
I'm going to attempt to make this a polite question, rather than a rant or flame ... For those of you who CC people when responding to the mailing list, why do you do this? Is there some benefit to doing so of which I'm unaware? I believe I have the Mail-Followup-To header set on my outgoing messages, which should be a clue for some readers. (I was told that gmane would translate Mail-Copies-To to Mail-Followup-To automagically.) I put a comment in my sig requesting that I not receive CCs, and I swear that the number of CCs I received actually increased! What can I do that will convince habitual CCers not to CC me? Are there technical means beyond the Mail-Followup-To header? -- I expect it is a combination of mail readers and peoples habits. If I click 'reply' in Outlook 2002, it will have your email addy, if I click 'reply to all' it will have the debian-user addy too. I am on other lists, and 'reply' will use the list address for them. Those messages have, among others, the following headers set to the posting address for that list. Resent-From: X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: Reply-To: List-Post: I do not know which makes outlook work, but for debian-users I would have to 'reply-all' and delete the senders addy. I do not always remember to. matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: hi
Most Toshibas have a small pinhole reset button. Try pressing this button while holding down the left shift key, keep the left shift key pressed while it boots up. This does not work for all tosh laptops. Matt -- -Original Message- From: michael stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 27 October 2003 6:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: hi I have a satellite pro 420cds and I do not know the password to boot I baught it used. can you help. sandra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: classic deficiancy in both windows and linux ?
Hey, Linux is Perfect!!! You must be an Evil Windows Troll!!! But seriously: On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 17:08, James D. Freels wrote: Can you figure out a way to get a listing of a directory (folder in Windows) and print it, without resorting to command prompt ? What's wrong with the command line? Is ls -l too geeky looking for PHBs, or are you nervous/unsure at the command line? Or, heaven forbid, will Untrained Users have to do it, and Linux is too difficult? I have to agree, a simple 'export listing' on the right click or tools menu would be nice, check boxes for what attributes to include, sort order, recurse y/n, humanise units y/n, include totals y/n. m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: please read this
-Original Message- From: Thomas Pomber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 October 2003 11:03 AM To: trevor brooks; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: please read this --- trevor brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi my name is Trevor Brooks. I go to Gardner middle school in Lansing Michigan. We have to do a project with donating a dollar to an organization. we have to know where the dollar goes and how it helps. We have to pretend that we are the dollar and tell where we are going. I was hoping you could give me some info. It would be very much appreciated. THANK YOU! Trevor Brooks Hi Trevor. (I mean 'dollar.') You want to know where you are going. Well, you will be happy to learn that you are going toward the destruction of the evil Microsoft. Yes! You are helping open-source software, which Microsoft and its dreaded, evil, king, Bill Gates hates. Tell your teacher that you (the dollar) are going toward the destruction of the evil Microsoft empire, and the freedom of computer users everywhere. I hope you get an A. /s/Microsoft/America /s/open-source software/freedom fighter /s/Bill gates/George Bush /s/computer users/true believers You want to know where you are going. Well, you will be happy to learn that you are going toward the destruction of the evil America. Yes! You are helping freedom fighters, which America and its dreaded, evil, king, George bush hates. Tell your teacher that you (the dollar) are going toward the destruction of the evil Microsoft empire, and the freedom of true believers everywhere. /s/Microsoft/Enemies /s/open-source software/Democracy/ etc,etc,etc destruction 2 evil 3 dreaded 1 hates 1 For goodness sake, Debian is a computer operating system, not everything is a fundementalist conflict. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: More on spam
-Original Message- From: Arnt Karlsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 23 October 2003 1:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More on spam On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:58:16 -0400, Bill Marcum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 06:56:59AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..Swen is no different than 9/11. So, next time someone points a gun your way, you do not want the police doing _anything_ about it? How many people have been killed by swen? Should the US shut down all internet traffic like they closed all the airports after 9/11? ..your analogy suggests all traffic was closed after the WTC fell. Not true, travellers were diverted to ground bound transportation. ..a better analogy would be ban all use of wintendo on internet. ;-) ..I dunno how many has been killed by swen. The stats on downtime and costs on wintendos in the US, suggests we have 4 9/11 a year worldwide, comparing with the insurance stats of the one in 2001, but I would think the loss of human life is less, except possibly from the indirect ramifications. Evaluating this would require a lot of analysis work, which I don't quite see Microsoft sponsoring. ;-) -- Hello, I think some of you are missing the point. Spam is just marketing. If it were coast effective to send several hundred letters to people's homes every day, it would be done. If it were permitted to drop paper flyers over cities from planes, it would be done. If it were allowed, some tv stations would use picture-in-picture to always have ads running while you watch tv. Marketing is about making people buy stuff. Terrorism is about scaring people. imo we need to move towards a 'deny all else' information world and away from the largely 'permit all, except' world. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: More on spam
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:28:57AM +1000, Joyce, Matthew wrote: Spam is just marketing. SWEN isn't marketing. Part of this is about SWEN (and other similar viruses/worms). SWEN is about propogating a spam delivery system. Marketing is about making people buy stuff. Terrorism is about scaring people. imo we need to move towards a 'deny all else' information world and away from the largely 'permit all, except' world. And why would we do that? Scared of a little spam? No I'm not scared at all. Why do people keep using these extreme emotional terms; Fear, Scare, Terror, to describe annoyances. I don't see spam, I don't see popups. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. e nglish [was: snip])
-Original Message- From: Ron Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 23 October 2003 1:55 PM To: Debian-User Subject: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: snip]) On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 20:47, Erik Steffl wrote: Nori Heikkinen wrote: on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated: ... of course, you can create various complex and ambiguous sentences in english, the point is that you can take few forms of sentences and have a working language (that's pretty much what BASIC (talking about programming language) is). you can do that in both languages. let's say you have a function called isRed(x) (returns true if x is red). Now how would you call this function in german? it would never be in agreement with all possible x (grammatically). not sure if this is the best example - perhaps in this case it would be acceptable to use istRot, regardless of gender of x. point is you would run into problems like this trying to use german, you would very rarely come up with problems of this nature in english... Being a native speaker of American, I've always wondered - What is the purpose of gender in grammar/language? - Is it only the European/Latinate languages that have the gender concept? - Why English doesn't have gender, since it's predecessor, German, does have gender? Certainly the Angles, Saxons and Jutes were germanic tribes, but I'm not sure they used the language we know as German. Both the Romans and the French conquered England and heavily influenced the language later on too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: motherboard temperatures
-Original Message- From: Brian Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 3:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: motherboard temperatures Greetings all, does anyone have a recommendation for a program to monitor temperatures inside my box? Using XP, I was getting feedback that the temps were too high despite 3 fans. The CPU was suffering. Now that HK temps are moderating a bit, I see no problem for now, but being forced to keep the computer on 24/7 to remove spam from the server (thanks Pigeon and Klaus) I need to check that things are stable inside the box. Many thanks Brian # apt-cache search sensors i2c-source - sources for drivers for the i2c bus ksensors - lm-sensors frontend for KDE libsensors-dev - Lm-sensors development kit libsensors1 - Library to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors lm-sensors - Utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors lm-sensors-source - Kernel drivers to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors (source) sensor-sweep-applet - GNOME applet displaying system's health status sensord - Hardware sensor information logging daemon wmgtemp - Temperature sensor dockapp for WindowMaker wmsensors - WindowMaker dock applet for lmsensors xtend - xtend - X10 status monitoring daemon phpgroupware-phpsysinfo - The phpGroupWare phpSysInfo module phpsysinfo - PHP Based Host Information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: defragmentation on M$ disc?
-Original Message- From: Joris Huizer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2003 9:02 PM To: debian-list Subject: defragmentation on M$ disc? Hello everybody, I'm wondering, is 't possible to defragmentate a M$ disc while running in Debian? I want to make a partition there to try debian/testing (I'm running Woody right now but some things are a bit old :-p ) , and I read the M$ disc needs to be defragmentated in order to do repartitioning without having to worry about losing information (is this correct?) Now the stupid windows defragmentation tool keeps restarting as other stupid programs are writing so it'd take ages to defragmentate a disc of 40 GB :-P So I want to know wether this can be done under linux (I can mount the disc without a problem) Thanks for any help, Joris Huizer what version of Windows are you using ? Have you tried isolating the disk activity to identify the service or app causing it ? tbh, you really ought to consider asking a windows list/forum/channel. Asking one OS list to fix problems in another OS before exhausting available support resources seems daft to me. For better of for worse, there are an awful lot of Windows boxes in use and a corresponding number of support sites. On the other hand, defragging one OS's file system with another OS is technically interesting, so please let us know how you get on. ...backups, etc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Web-based e-mail system?
I currently use a fetchmail / procmail / mbox / mutt e-mail setup, with ssmtp (properly linked through `sendmail` of course) for sending. I would really like to have a web mail system set up so that I can at least read, if not send, e-mail from my website as well. Does anyone know of a package that can put mbox mail on the web? It sounds kind of silly, given the inefficiency of mbox, so I'm not holding high hopes, but if anyone has info. about it, that'd be great. I was using mbox at first, but eventually bit the bullet and switched to maildir. I'm using courier-imap and squirrelmail, and am very happy with it. I also use mutt when I'm logged into the console, and sometimes Mozilla mail from my Windows box through IMAP. Procmail will deliver to maildir just fine, so there's no reason to stick with mbox. (I used mutt to move my messages from my mbox files to maildir, via the IMAP server). If you need more details about setting any of it up, just ask. If you really want to stick with your mbox files, I think uw-imap will handle them, but I don't recommend it (it's SLOW). I started with that and squirrelmail. Slow for how many users? How slow is slow? I've played with SquirrelMail/IMAP for a few weeks and for a few users it's been just fine. Looking at the logs I do see that it's constantly re-connecting to the server with each page change (as is expected unless it could have some sort of IMAP proxy.) I was just wondering what your experiance with SLOW was so I could be aware of potential future issues. -- Jacob You could consider the imapproxy available on the Horde website. I have been using it for nearly a year with no problems. another one is www.imapproxy.org, but I have no experience of this. Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mozilla Mail Microsoft Outlook
Probably better to export as text from outlook first. Matt -- -Original Message- From: Frederico Rodrigues Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2003 12:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mozilla Mail Microsoft Outlook Hi. Has anyone tried/succeeded in importing messages from Microsoft Outlook (.pst files) to Mozilla Mail? Does anyone have any idea on how to do this? Thanks --Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fetchmail
Hi, I'm using Fetchmail and have a fetchmailrc in etc. Fetchmail starts and syslog show my messages being gathered. the problem is the messages do not end up in my home Maildir (courier-imap), they end up in spool somewhere. Any ideas ? I've clearly missed something important. Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: exporting and importing list of installed packages
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200308/msg00929.html Matt -- -Original Message- From: Jens Grivolla [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2003 10:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: apt: exporting and importing list of installed packages Hi, I apparently have a lot of leftovers from old packages that did not get cleanly uninstalled, and am losing quite a bit of disk space for that. I would therefore like to do a fresh install (backing up /home and /etc), but using my current selection of packages (which I just carefully verified). Is there a way to dump my current selection to a file and read it back later? I didn't find such an option in aptitude or any of the other tools. Ciao Jens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Transfer of files from laptop to desktop
-Original Message- From: Monique Y. Herman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 10 October 2003 12:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Transfer of files from laptop to desktop On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 at 01:35 GMT, Naitik Shah penned: Easiest would be to install ssh on your linux box, and use a SFTP client (many freely available) to connect to your linux box, and well, copy the files as if you're using ftp! Can you get online from your laptop? I mean, can you ping anything else on the internet from your laptop? If not, the network configuration might not be working too well. Two things: One, ssh adds encryption overhead (I believe), so it will be slower than a non-encrypted transfer (am I wrong here?) Two, a friend sucked down a bunch of large files from my machine using SFTP, then scp, and deemed scp much faster. -- monique Unless you need to share ultra-sensitive super-spy stuff with me, please don't email me directly. I will most likely see your post before I read your mail, anyway. Both are pretty slow imo, but winscp-ssh is a very easy and workable solution which has help me many times. http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SWEN isn't slowing down
-Original Message- From: Karsten M. Self [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 9:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SWEN isn't slowing down on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 08:31:53AM -0700, A P ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: These f** SWEN emails are still pouring in. I am getting about 80 per day. It's sickening. I have added practically every major country suffix in my /etc/mail/access file and I am discovering new ones every day! Man, I am so close to blocking net and com. Well, in that case I might just as well shutdown my email server. Although I must say that it's kind of satisfying to see reject=553 messages in syslog. I am curious to find out how long it takes for SWEN to find the email address I am posting this from. If you control your own SMTP server: deny mail with executable attachments, or if you want finer-grained control, install clamav and block viruses specifically. exim4 specifically has configurations which make this relatively trivial. If you don't control your SMTP server, request your ISP provide you with the tools to: - Deny (not block) executables or viruses at SMTP time. - Deny (not block) high-scoring spam based on SpamAssassin (ask for it by name) or known good Bayesian classifiers (bogofilter, spambayes, etc.), at SMTP time. - Provide regular reports of what mail was blocked by sender and subject (daily/weekly/monthly), so you can track performance. Why at SMTP time? Because legitimate senders then know that their message didn't get through, because _their_ sending SMTP server will generate a bounce. Your SMTP server *isn't* generating a bounce, so it doesn't spam (joe-job) innocent third parties spoofed in headers. I've seen some ordinarially intelligent people suggest that this is encouraging ISP censorship of email. It's *not*. It's extending *your* perimiter of control -- remember that I'd said first If _you_ control your SMTP server In this case you have the control. If you're relying on an ISP, you don't, which is specifically what we're trying to change. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Support the EFF, they support you: http://www.eff.org/ Also consider http://sourceforge.net/projects/bmf/ I have been using for nearly a year, very very happy with it too. deb available too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Do we really need to worry about viruses
-Original Message- From: Daniel B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 3 October 2003 8:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Debian-User Subject: Re: Do we really need to worry about viruses Jamin W. Collins wrote: .. Aye, but you do have backups right? Are your backup locations accessible as mounted file systems where your user has ready read/write access to them? I would certainly hope not. Do you backups every day? Every minute? Every instant? If not, the user's data is still vulnerable. This is about risk analysis. Loosing half a days work, or a days work is annoying, but your going to feel pretty pleased if your backups are working and you only lose a days work. I think a malicious process which occasionally corrupts random user files would be much more of a pain. It could be days/weeks/months before anyone notices. Reminds me of an old excel macro virus in the 80s which changed the odd cell here and there. When triggered, it picks a worksheet but the active one and loops a thousand times to randomly select used cell that contains numeric value. With 1% chance, it decreases or increases the cell value within 5%. mj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone else notice that Swen is slowing down?
Well, a virus like Swen wouldn't need root access to spread. I don't know what Swen does to a Windows machine (and I don't care, I haven't got any), but just to annoy people with enormous amounts of e-mail, someone could imageinebly write a perl script with its own SMTP-engine. If a non-priviliged user was fooled into executing the perl script, it could still spread to any platform with Perl installed. Aren't these viruses rendered relativley harmess by applying appropriate restriction on routers (ACLs) and firewalls to limit which machines can send smtp traffic ? mj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Replace HDD
Hi, I have an old pc running Debian Woody and I have 2 questions. Firstly, the hard drive ios quite old and become quite noisy, I suspect it is on the way out. What is the easiest way to replace it ? It only have 2 partions, one of them a swap. The new drive is slightly bigger. Secondly, complied the kernel last January, 2.4.18, I noticed during an 'apt-get update' that kernel-source-2.4.18 was downloaded, presumably it has changed, should I recompile ? What is the correct process for this ? Do I just untar and use the existing .config ? Thanks mj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gettext
Hi, I'm trying to a horde/imp system, the doc say I must have gettext support in php4. running Woody, appache-ssl, php4 I have run apt-get gettext, but the docS say it is php4 which needs gettext. Any ideas ? thanks Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: gettext
-Original Message- From: Vineet Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: gettext * Joyce, Matthew ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031001 00:21]: Hi, I'm trying to a horde/imp system, the doc say I must have gettext support in php4. running Woody, appache-ssl, php4 I have run apt-get gettext, but the docS say it is php4 which needs gettext. Any ideas ? less +/gettext /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian.gz good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- http://www.aclu.org/ It's all about Freedom. Thanks, you are wise. The gettext issue turned out to be a redherring. There was a session setting in php.ini which was set to 'user', needed to be 'file'. All ok. Happy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone else notice that Swen is slowing down?
yes, there does seem to be a reduction, hopfully these boring threads will stop soon too. Matt -- -Original Message- From: Ron Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 26 September 2003 10:54 PM To: Debian-User Subject: Anyone else notice that Swen is slowing down? After getting hundreds of infections per day early in the week of 14-Sep, it seems to have radically tapered off: Date Count -- - 2003-09-1952 (10 hours) 2003-09-2037 2003-09-2114 2003-09-2265 2003-09-2333 2003-09-2420 2003-09-25 9 Am I the only one to see it slow down? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA I can't make you have an abortion, but you can *make* me pay child support for 18 years? However, if I want the child (and all the expenses that entails) for the *rest*of*my*life*, and you don't want it for 9 months, tough luck??? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Laptop battery
I cannot rememeber the format of the apmd command or the output of the command, but basically you use 'cut' to snip out the xx% part. Probably there is neat regexp you could also use. For the prompt bit, have a read here http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/x293.html I really was very happy with it though. Matt -- -Original Message- From: Steven Schlansker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Laptop battery Cool, apm works fine. How can I get it to go in my prompt? On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 11:41 PM, Joyce, Matthew wrote: I used to use apmd, it worked pretty well, I used to cut the power left % out and use it in my prompt. hub:~# apt-cache show apmd Package: apmd Priority: optional Section: admin Installed-Size: 220 Maintainer: Avery Pennarun [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Version: 3.0.2-1.19 Depends: libapm1 (= 3.0.2-1.11), libc6 (= 2.2.4-4), debconf, powermgmt-base Suggests: xapm Filename: pool/main/a/apmd/apmd_3.0.2-1.19_i386.deb Size: 44632 MD5sum: b274295bddfbb119231700c05a2ee7ca Description: Utilities for Advanced Power Management (APM) On laptop computers, the Advanced Power Management (APM) support provides access to battery status information and may help you to conserve battery power, depending on your laptop and the APM implementation. The apmd program also lets you run arbitrary programs when APM events happen (for example, you can eject PCMCIA devices when you suspend, or change hard drive timeouts when you connect the battery). . This package contains apmd(8), a daemon for logging and acting on APM events; and apm(1), a client that prints the information in /proc/apm in a readable format. . apmd is notified of APM events by the APM driver in the kernel. . Recent Debian kernels are built with APM support but it is disabled by default. You need to boot the kernel with the apm=on option if you want to enable the driver. (You may need to add this option to your lilo command line.) Task: laptop -Original Message- From: Steven Schlansker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2003 11:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Laptop battery I have an ancient NEC Versa 4080H laptop, and I wiped Windows off of it to install Debian. I'd like to be able to check the power left in the battery. How would I do that? (Note that there's no X windows installed, so command line only please) Is there a /proc entry? I couldn't find one. Thanks for any help. Also please CC any replies to me, as I don't want to deal with the massive amounts of mail going through this server. Thanks. -- Microsoft Windows: Proof that P.T. Barnum was correct. Steven Schlansker Tech Support Programming Flamin' Ghost Software http://www.fgsoft.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Microsoft Windows: Proof that P.T. Barnum was correct. Steven Schlansker Tech Support Programming Flamin' Ghost Software http://www.fgsoft.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exim dress rehearsal
I'm just configuring an Exim setup and I want to test it. I do not want to change my MX records yet, but I want to be sure it will accept email and relay it properly. Is there anyway to do this ? Are there any tools to analyse exim configs ? Thanks Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: This might be a darned fine Knoppix station
bet one could even get non-computer people go buy one of This really is a horrible turn of phase for many reasons. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MS mail bombs
Maybe this would be the future for e-mail, deny all but specified... -- -daniel It is probably (should be imo) the future of all computing. Permit this Permit that Deny everything else -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Q: Oracle vs Debian?
very high volume, very low signal, Much like this thread has become. The first 3 posts were useful, the other 7 (8) were totally off topic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Group rights
Dear Debain Users, I'm a little confused regarding the use of group to assign file rights. I was under the impression that user can be members of groups and groups can be used to assign permissions to files and folders. How then, do I assign multiple groups, different permission to the same folders and do those permissions cascade downwards ? If they do, how do you stop them ? Do I have to make a new group (GroupAandGroupB) and manage it that way ? I'm thinking along the lines of Novells (rather good) Trustee Rights/Inherited Rights/Rights Masks. Can groups be members of groups ? Thanks Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ms exchange to courier imap
They are both servers, so it's not clear what you mean. What are you trying to achieve ? Matt -- -Original Message- From: Louie Miranda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 5 September 2003 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ms exchange to courier imap can courier imap get emails to an exchange server? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Why does X need so much CPU power?
there are some really petty people on this list. which is a shame. -- -Original Message- From: Jesse Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2003 3:52 PM To: Debian-User Subject: Re: [OT] Why does X need so much CPU power? On Wed, 03 Sep 2003, Joyce, Matthew wrote: There have been computer games for as long as there have been computers. [quibble] The first computers were not driven by electricity. Why don't you take a history lesson first before commenting on computers and computer games? [/quibble] -- Nifty linux app: bitlbee : use your favorite IRC client to interface with aim, icq, msn messenger and yim (www.lintux.cx/bitlbee.html) icq: 34583382msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]yim: tsunad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: simple backup script
-Original Message- From: Yves Goergen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 9:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: simple backup script On Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:15 AM CET, Marcus Schopen wrote: Hi, I'm looking for a simple backup script, which uses e.g. dd and additionally does some error handling and mail notification. I use amanda for my daily and weekly backups, but to feel more secure, I installed a second harddrive in my server today. Now I'm looking for a nice and secure script, which does a full backup of the first harddisk each day. Why don't you just use RAID to mirror your harddisk? Saves you daily backups and gives you instant backup on failure. And IIRC your system can keep on running 'on one tyre'. RAID only provides resilience against hardware failures, it does not protect anyone from user errors or mishaps which occurred yesterday, or last week, or last month. Fault tollerance and data backups are not the same thing, they are just different components of a data protection policy. My advice would be (as a minumum) to take a full backup on Monday night and incrementals or differentials all other nights. Like I say, as a minumim. Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: simple backup script
-Original Message- From: Marcus Schopen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 11:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: simple backup script Joyce, Matthew wrote: [...] RAID only provides resilience against hardware failures, it does not protect anyone from user errors or mishaps which occurred yesterday, or last week, or last month. right!!! Fault tollerance and data backups are not the same thing, they are just different components of a data protection policy. My advice would be (as a minumum) to take a full backup on Monday night and incrementals or differentials all other nights. Like I say, as a minumim. which programm do you use to do that? I would imagine TAR would be your friend. I do not have this knowledge to give you. However, I would consider separating the data a from the system and approach the backup of these data type differently. Perhaps a full system weekly (Sunday) and before any major system modification would be enough and incremental or differential for your data. um... a quick google http://www.biochemistry.unimelb.edu.au/pscotney/backup/Backup-HOWTO.html http://www.linux-backup.net and our very own Karsten M Self :) http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Why does X need so much CPU power?
Uh, no, what's keeping Linux away from the desktop is the lack of APPLICATIONS. Joe Public couldn't care less about X, or anything else, as long as it works. The idiot gamers aside, X is plenty for what Joe Public needs in a graphical environment as long as he can move windows around and open and close them when he needs to. Computer games have consistantly pushed harware and programming to the limit. There have been computer games for as long as there have been computers. Idiot gamers ? How rude. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel compile issues
I have a old laptop, a Toshiba 320CDT, 233Mhz PII MMX, 128Mb. Woody has installed and I have compiled 4.2.18 sucessfully many times. After tryting a few other distros on this laptop, I wanted to go back to woody, but after compiling 4.2.18 and rebooting, it will not start. After the 'Linux' it just reboots. I can boot with the OldLinux ok, are there any logs I should be looking at ? ...checking the config (menuconfig), I cannot see anything which might cause this behavior, if any thing it's a pretty light build. Any ideas anyone ? thanks matt -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kernel compile issues
I can boot with the OldLinux ok, are there any logs I should be
looking at ? ...checking the config (menuconfig), I cannot see
anything which might cause this behavior, if any thing it's
a pretty
light build.
Did you (if necessary) change the LILO-configuration file and
run lilo as root (or the equivalent to these steps, if you
use GRUB)?
C.
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Yes, I'm sure lilo was ran after 'dkpg -i'
Thanks
mj
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email server setup
Dear Debian-Users, Could someone direct me to a step by step guide to setting up a mail sever. SMTP,IMAP is required, SSL for both would be preferable but not essential. thanks muchly m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: virus (was: ssh tunneling)
From OED online. [a. L. vrus slimy liquid, poison, offensive odour or taste. Hence also F., Sp., Pg. virus. In Lanfranc's Cirurgie (c 1400) 77 the word, explained as 'a thin venomy quitter', is merely taken over from the Latin text.] 1. Venom, such as is emitted by a poisonous animal. Also fig. 2. Path.a. A morbid principle or poisonous substance produced in the body as the result of some disease, esp. one capable of being introduced into other persons or animals by inoculations or otherwise and of developing the same disease in them. Now superseded by the next sense. b. Pl. viruses. An infectious organism that is usu. submicroscopic, can multiply only inside certain living host cells (in many cases causing disease) and is now understood to be a non-cellular structure lacking any intrinsic metabolism and usually comprising a DNA or RNA core inside a protein coat (see also quot. 1977). Formerly referred to as filterable viruses, their first distinguishing characteristic being the ability to pass through filters that retained bacteria. c. colloq. A virus infection. 3. fig. A moral or intellectual poison, or poisonous influence. Also in weakened use, an infectious fear, anxiety, etc. 4. Violent animosity; virulence. 5. attrib. and Comb., as (sense 2b) virus disease, infection, particle; virus-carried, -containing, -free, -induced, -infected, -like adjs.; virus pneumonia, pneumonia caused by a virus rather than a bacterium. APPENDED FROM ADDITIONS 1993 virus, n. Add:[2.] d. Computing. Any sequence of code (esp. one capable of being inserted in other programs) which when executed causes itself to be copied into other locations, and which is therefore capable of propagating itself within the memory of a computer or across a network, usually with deleterious results. See also computer virus s.v. *COMPUTER n. 3. Matt -- -Original Message- From: Florian Ernst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 3:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: virus (was: ssh tunneling) On Tuesday 26 August 2003 03:40, Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 02:01:05AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..no rule witout exeption: these 2 minutes _are_ useful in tarpits, to help slow vira propagation: That's a new plural of virus to me ... [viri and virii are both wrong. The first is made up by assuming that virus is a Latin masculine second declension noun, which it's not (it's neuter), and viri is actually the plural of vir and means men. The second is just utterly weird, though strangely popular, and is constructed on top of a made-up second declension noun, virius. vira is probably better than anything else, because at least it's neuter, but really seems more like the plural of virum. Anyway, there are no recorded instances of a Latin plural of virus, because its meaning back then was abstract and not something you could really pluralize. The only English plural of the word is simply viruses. This concludes today's pedantry.] Sorry for being late, just some more pedantry: virus, -i n. (no plural) Coming from old-indian vim via old-greek viros (sorry, don't know how to enter the correct letters and accents) into latin. The greek word means simply venom / poison, whereas the latin word can be translated as slime, poison, or as a metaphor for slaver / foam / venom (compare Vergilius: destillat ab inguine virus), the old-indian word on the other hand just had an abstract meaning. I'd think the English plural is viruses, in German at least it is Viren, and nothing else ;) Thanks to Mr. Schller and Ms. Altenburg for six years of boring Latin lesson, and no, I still don't think Caesar was a great man. Back to work, sorry for pedantry, Flo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: virus' on the list
As we use Debian, I don't think there is the need for any company to protect us. As far as I know, linux is immune to any virus, and that's the main reason why I don't want to install windows on my machine. -- Zeng Nan If this is your main reason, why not use windows with antivirus software installed. I use Debian because I like it. I'm sure the virus writers would look to linux if it was as pervasive as windows, also, I do not think linux is imune, surely a poorly configured system would have vunrabilities ? m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ssh tunneling
i am not able to connect to a vnc-server thats running behind the firewall. i know that the vncserver is running because i can open vncviewers from other clients behind the firewall. but when i ssh to the gateway from [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the -L 5903:vncserver:5903 option and forward from the gateway to the vncserver using another ssh -L ..., i am not able to connect to the vncserver at port 5903 on localhost. with a RealVNC viewer, i get an error like channel 2 or 4: administratively prohibited and with You haven't said how you try to connect to your localhost on port 5903, but I use localhost:1, localhost:2, localhost:3 etc. Are you using the session number ? M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Obnoxious autoresponders was:Re: Out of Office AutoReply: how NOT to work with debian
* iain d broadfoot ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030811 04:12]: * Petrisor Marian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [an entirely blank message with a semi-informative subject line] This pisses me off majorly There's more important things in life... My d key deals with messages like his auto-response just fine -- and it doesn't affect me emotionally one bit. Hall I agree with Hall's post. Hooray for Hall! It takes so much less energy to delete emails than to complain about them. Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: test please igore
what is this 'ignore' you speak of ? Matt -- -Original Message- From: Jake Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 3:23 PM To: debian-user Subject: test please igore -- Regards, Jake Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Plutoid - http://www.plutoid.com - Shop Plutoid for the best prices on Rims, Car Audio, and Performance Parts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Arpwatch (was : mac addresses)
I have being running Arpwatch now for a couple of days and I am getting an
awful lot of emails about the Macintosh devices we have here.
hostname: unknown
ip address: 0.0.0.0
ethernet address: 0:3:93:53:fe:7e
ethernet vendor: Apple Computer, Inc.
old ethernet address: 0:3:93:93:df:36
old ethernet vendor: Apple Computer, Inc.
timestamp: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:00:40 +1000
previous timestamp: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:53:49 +1000
delta: 6 minutes
I have heaps of these, mostly the ip is 0.0.0.0
Any ideas ?
Thnaks
Matt
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Subject: RE: mac addresses
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 03:10:06 +0200, Joyce, Matthew wrote:
I was going to run
nmap -sP x.x.x.*
arp -a | grep ether |awk '{print $4}'
This give me a nice list.
but as for scanning this list for entries not included in
another list
I am a bit stuck...
...arpwatch reads like it will do this very well.
If arpwatch doesn't suit you: man diff. :-)
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mac addresses
Dear Debian Users, Does anyone know of a tool or util which can list all the mac addresses being used on a lan ? I'm trying to discover if foreign devices are being connected over the weekend. Ideally I'd like to be able to compare one list with another and see the difference. Thanks Matt -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mac addresses
On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 20:16, Joyce, Matthew wrote:
Does anyone know of a tool or util which can list all the mac
addresses being used on a lan ? I'm trying to discover if foreign
devices are being connected over the weekend.
Ideally I'd like to be able to compare one list with
another and see
the difference.
You have to have a node on the segment you want to watch, and
then use arp
It has a few variations of usage, but should be able to cover
your needs.
Thnaks Grep.
Yes it is a fairly simple network.
I was going to run
nmap -sP x.x.x.*
arp -a | grep ether |awk '{print $4}'
This give me a nice list.
but as for scanning this list for entries not included in another list I am
a bit stuck...
...arpwatch reads like it will do this very well.
thanks everyone
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RE: Radius Server
Has anyone setup a Radius server before using Debian ? Matt -- -Original Message- From: Joyce, Matthew Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Radius Server Dear Debian-User, I use a Cisco vpn to connect to our office NT network. At the moment the vpn is setup to authenticate with the NT domain controllers. I am wondering is anyone has implemented a Radius server on Debian which could be used for authentication ? Can anyone offer any comments about using any of the following ? radiusd-cistron - Radius server written by Cistron. radiusd-livingston - Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service (RADIUS) server xtradius - Free radius server implementation. yardradius - YARD Radius Auth/Acct Server Thanks Matt -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Radius Server
Am I right in thinking that you then specify which accounts can login via that radius server ? Do they have to have user account on the box, or are they just uid/passwords entries in a list ? Any tricky stages when setting up ? Thnaks Matt -- -Original Message- From: Ken McCord [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 17 July 2003 10:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Radius Server Just set one up two weeks ago using cistron-radiusd. What do you need help with? Ken On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 19:40, Joyce, Matthew wrote: Has anyone setup a Radius server before using Debian ? Matt -- -Original Message- From: Joyce, Matthew Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Radius Server Dear Debian-User, I use a Cisco vpn to connect to our office NT network. At the moment the vpn is setup to authenticate with the NT domain controllers. I am wondering is anyone has implemented a Radius server on Debian which could be used for authentication ? Can anyone offer any comments about using any of the following ? radiusd-cistron - Radius server written by Cistron. radiusd-livingston - Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service (RADIUS) server xtradius - Free radius server implementation. yardradius - YARD Radius Auth/Acct Server Thanks Matt -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Radius Server
Dear Debian-User, I use a Cisco vpn to connect to our office NT network. At the moment the vpn is setup to authenticate with the NT domain controllers. I am wondering is anyone has implemented a Radius server on Debian which could be used for authentication ? Can anyone offer any comments about using any of the following ? radiusd-cistron - Radius server written by Cistron. radiusd-livingston - Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service (RADIUS) server xtradius - Free radius server implementation. yardradius - YARD Radius Auth/Acct Server Thanks Matt -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New IDE drive dramatically slow system?
having a slow system due to adding a disk is equally bad as a scrambled disk. ( fix the problems that causing the symptoms ) -- dont mix drives unless they are both ata-100 and both have 2MB disk buffers .. etc.etc.. c ya alvin I've never heard of matching buffers before. I could see it might be useful in a raid system. This reminds me of a conversation I had years ago with a colleague, back when techs used to rub their hands at the thought of getting some Conner 104mb drives. Then we were wondering wether the controller on the master drive did the controlling for both the master and the slave. I don't mean the ide interface on the pc, but the circuitry on the drive. Does anyone know if this is true ? m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New IDE drive dramatically slow system?
If the master is the 8gb drive I would imagine it is not ata100 and the 40 probably is ata100. Is it possible that you are not using the correct type of cable and it is dropping back to ata33 ? Matt -- -Original Message- From: Carl Fink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 7 July 2003 12:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New IDE drive dramatically slow system? I'm puzzled. A few days ago I installed a new Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 40 GB hard drive on my system, replacing a fairly old 1 gig drive. I installed it as slave to my existing 8 gig drive, which holds Debian. I intended to use it for data (video files, etc.). I created a swap partition (128 MB) and a 20 gig ext2 partition, leaving the rest of the drive unused for later. Since booting with this setup, my system has been dramatically *slower* than before, particularly when reading from and/or writing to the new drive. Even things that I wouldn't expect to depend on drive speed, like redrawing of graphical elements in X, are something like four times slower than before. Does anyone have a suggestion on why this would happen? Or where I can find more information? Thanks. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Generating custom ssl certificate
I followed these instructions a while back and they worked for me. http://www.apache-ssl.org/ snip Now I've got my server installed, how do I create a test certificate? Step one - create the key and request: openssl req -new new.cert.csr Step two - remove the passphrase from the key (optional): openssl rsa -in privkey.pem -out new.cert.key Step three - convert request into signed cert: openssl x509 -in new.cert.csr -out new.cert.cert -req -signkey new.cert.key -days 365 The Apache-SSL directives that you need to use the resulting cert are: SSLCertificateFile /path/to/certs/new.cert.cert SSLCertificateKeyFile /path/to/certs/new.cert.key Matt -- -Original Message- From: Miranda, Joel Louie M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2003 11:54 AM To: 'Paul C. Bryan'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Generating custom ssl certificate Yes, that's it thanks paul. I was hoping to erase the pass scheme while starting apache do you happen to know the command to remove the pass on the cert? -- Thank you, Louie -Original Message- From: Paul C. Bryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:33 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: Generating custom ssl certificate -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Miranda, Joel Louie M wrote: | Hi, does anyone remember how to generate custom ssl certificate using | openssl? If you mean self-signed certificate, try: # openssl genrsa -des3 -out privkey.pem 2048 # openssl req -new -x509 -key privkey.pem -out cacert.pem -days 1095 Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/A4aS5bL87xwrDZMRAnzJAKC2GHRo/r603uQuzsmsLt6nywpVggCgsgsV LSIpk9FH7kkbe54tjx2g5i8= =pXHW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Enabling ssl on web?
if you are using apache-ssl then there is a corresponding command # apache-sslctl usage: /usr/sbin/apache-sslctl (start|stop|restart|fullstatus|status|graceful|configtest|help) start - start httpsd stop - stop httpsd restart- restart httpsd if running by sending a SIGHUP or start if not running fullstatus - dump a full status screen; requires lynx and mod_status enabled status - dump a short status screen; requires lynx and mod_status enabled graceful - do a graceful restart by sending a SIGUSR1 or start if not running configtest - do a configuration syntax test help - this screen Matt -- -Original Message- From: Miranda, Joel Louie M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2003 11:52 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Enabling ssl on web? Server: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux mod_ssl/2.8.9 OpenSSL/0.9.6g mod_perl/1.26 PHP/4.1.2 Hello, how do I start apache w/ ssl support? On the command line. -- Thank you, Louie -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: simple bash loop problem ...
Google for 'bash loops' http://www.google.com.au/search?q=bash+loopsie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8hl=enmeta= the first link is http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-7.html Matt -- -Original Message- From: David selby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 29 June 2003 7:15 PM To: Debian list Subject: simple bash loop problem ... Hello, I am writing bash a bash sed script, it has been going suprisingly well. I need a loop to count 9 times the variable n to the count .. for n=1 to 9 next kind of thing, but this is not BASIC !! My best guess is declare -i n=1 while [ $n 9 ]; do . n=$((n+=1)) done All i get is ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/myfiles/dave/websites/kcards$ ./gensite ./gensite: 9: No such file or directory I have defined it as an integer, used the less than operator for integers, ... errr ... I know its something stupid but I can't crack it Dave PS is there a more ellagent way to do a counted loop as well as a way that works ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: test - please ignore
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debian
I have been using Debian for about 18 months now. I like it and prefer it to other dristos I have tried. Today I had to install Redhat 9 on a system. It detected everything. A totally good experience installing this os. I'm not saying I will be moving from Debian to redhat, but I do wish Debian would address the install procedure. Clearly it is possible to have comprehensive hardware detection, so presumably somewhere someoene is choosing not to address this issue. What is the reason debian does not install like other OSs ? m -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: migrate to new hardware
-Original Message- From: Mark L. Kahnt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 27 May 2003 4:05 PM To: Debian Users Subject: Re: migrate to new hardware On Mon, 2003-05-26 at 23:55, Joyce, Matthew wrote: Dear Debain-Users, A while back I used an old p166 as a proof of concept for a debian/apache-ssl/php4/pear/horde/imp/imap webmail service. Thing have gone well, but the old hardware is very slow. What is the recommend way to move the installation to new hardware. It will still be a pc, ide drives. but different motherboard/cpu/memory. possible I could use the old nic. Can I just install the old HDD and expect debian to reconfigure ? Thanks Matt -- Yes and No - do you have a stock or home-rolled kernel? Are things like the sound and graphic and networking cards the same between the two? Much of the rest *should* be okay, but if you aren't using a stock kernel, you could find drivers missing. I anticipate that if the monitor and/or graphic card are changing, X11 will need re-configuring if you used it (although if this was only a server, you may have left it out.) -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This was a headless server, no x11, no sound. The graphics card is certainly different but it only runs console so..? The configuration, was basically a standard install + kernel 4.2.18 compile. If I am lucky I added most of the nics we use here (driver/modules), if not I can use the old nic. Other than that it is a very basic setup. Should I just move the hd across to the new chassis and hope for the best ? Thnaks Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Shell based text editor for writing prose
I tried many editors, I found them all crap. What I wanted was a port of Edit which came with MSDos6. Alas there is non. I did try using RHIDE, a programming IDE, for a while, ok as a text editor. These days I just use Touch to create a file and then Midnight Commander's built in editor. Matt -- -Original Message- From: John Griffiths [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2003 11:51 AM To: Roberto Sanchez; debian users Subject: Re: Shell based text editor for writing prose -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto Sanchez wrote: vim also has some neat search features, syntax highlighting (if your prose happens to be C, Lisp, or some other code), online help, and a bunch of others. Thanks for that, I should clarify that the language I want to write in is english (ok, australian english - close) and i want it to be read, primarily, by people, not interpreters or compilers. - -- I live in the Managerial Age, in a world of Admin. The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid dens of crime that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern. - - C. S. Lewis John Johnboy Griffiths - RiotACT Editor http://the-riotact.com Ph: 0412 690 643 ICQ UIN: 7933859 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Keyserver pgp.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+i481oE0noESYVCkRAk79AJ9Q7xvsKclHtOmfjGO+DK3jS7cQMACfZ1NB EcJTXZWXMK3FkPGzAABClpo= =Wg6f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to manage a large number of JPEG images?
You could use Imagemagik, a very useful bunch of routines. # apt-cache show imagemagick Package: imagemagick Priority: optional Section: graphics Installed-Size: 3436 Maintainer: Ryuichi Arafune [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Version: 4:5.4.4.5-1 Replaces: imagemagick-doc, geomview (= 1.8.0) Depends: libmagick5(=4:5.4.4.5-1) Suggests: gs, html2ps, lpr Conflicts: imagemagick-doc Filename: pool/main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick_5.4.4.5-1_i386.deb Size: 1294546 MD5sum: 9e82847230a590b096f401ac88338d46 Description: Image manipulation programs. Imagemagick is a set of programs to manipulate various image formats (JPEG, TIFF, PhotoCD, PBM, XPM, etc...). All manipulations can be achieved through shell commands as well as through a X11 graphical interface (display). . Possible effects: colormap manipulation, channel operations, thumbnail creation, image annotation, limited drawing, image distortion, etc... . This package suggests a postscript interpreter (gs) to read postscript files. It will however function happily without it (as long as you don't want to read postscript). http://www.imagemagick.org/ or phpGallery http://www.fredsoftwares.com/phpgallery.php?PHPSESSID=4aeefc78953df6105b9f7a 80f7f549cc Matt -- -Original Message- From: Olivier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 10:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to manage a large number of JPEG images? I have the first 93 JPEG images from the new digital camera on my hard drive. The gimp will load an image and print it perfectly. I see it also has an option to create a thumbnail of an image. What I would like is an album of thumbnails of all 93 images with the ability to click on any one of them to see it full size. I did an apt-cache search and found gallery but I don't really want a web-based program. Is there other software available to handle this problem? May I suggest using feh (wich is build upon the wonderfull imlib2) with the thummbnail option. apt-get install feh feh -t *.jpg Olivier. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Partitioning for Speed
I would have thought that for cached drives this becomes a moot point as such a high percentage of hits come from cache. Matt -- -Original Message- From: Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 10:35 AM To: debian user list Subject: Partitioning for Speed I've seen a reference to two regarding the location of a partition on the HDD being faster than other parts of the HDD. I've been trying to get a definitive answer on this and it's still not clear to me. 1. What part of the HDD is faster, the inside (closest to the center of the platter) or the outside? It makes some sense to me that the outside would be faster due the fact that it's moving faster, but this may not be a determining factor. 2. When using cfdisk to partition, does it start the first partition by default at the beginning, or on the inside, of the HDD? IIRC, it refers to this as the beginning of the free space. 3. I would want to put my swap and / partitions in the fastest part of the HDD, leaving /home and /usr/local for the rest of the drive. Does this make sense? [That's how I like to partition, those four mount points.] My intention here is to learn about the HDD and partitioning for speed in general. My purpose is general usage, nothing specific. thanks, jc -- Jeff Coppock Systems Engineer Diggin' DebianAdmin and User -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Partitioning for Speed
I would have thought that for cached drives this becomes a moot point as such a high percentage of hits come from cache. remember that most disks have 2MB of disk cache.. new drives are 8MB cache snip - the 2MB disk cache will be flooded and not used at all... True, but this does only depend on how much data is being read. snip -- yeah... i've been looking to see how to make disks faster and get the 100MB/sec disk transfers ... or even faster Surely the way forward for throughput is load balanced, mirrored, raid arrays with fast drives and large caches on duplexed raid controllers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
undelete
I have foolishly deleted a file I did not want to. It was created this morning, so it is not backed up. is there an undelete util ? thanks Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: undelete
I have tried 'recover' Package: recover Priority: optional Section: admin Installed-Size: 104 Maintainer: Noel Koethe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Version: 1.3b-1 Depends: libc6 (= 2.2.4-4) Filename: pool/main/r/recover/recover_1.3b-1_i386.deb Size: 13360 MD5sum: a6d0b77ce1ad858878f46b426490a661 Description: Undelete files on ext2 partitions Recover automates some steps as described in the ext2-undeletion howto. This means it seeks all the deleted inodes on your hard drive with debugfs. When all the inodes are indexed, recover asks you some questions about the deleted file. These questions are: * Hard disk device name * Year of deletion * Month of deletion * Weekday of deletion * First/Last possible day of month * Min/Max possible file size * Min/Max possible deletion hour * Min/Max possible deletion minute * User ID of the deleted file * A text string the file included (can be ignored) . If recover found any fitting inodes, it asks to give a directory name and dumps the inodes into the directory. Finally it asks you if you want to filter the inodes again (in case you typed some wrong answers). but I get a segmentaion error. Matt -- -Original Message- From: Joyce, Matthew Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 12:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: undelete I have foolishly deleted a file I did not want to. It was created this morning, so it is not backed up. is there an undelete util ? thanks Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
Devil's advocate: how do you knmow firestarter does what it says it is doing if you don't understand iptables? Please don't take this as a personal attack; I just feel if you don't understand the technology, using said technology is fraught with peril. For a real world example, think routing protocols and look hard at the internet. There is breakage every day caused by ignorance. You cannot eliminate all risks. You cannot expect to understand everything. Are you suggesting everyone should thoroughly understand tcp/ip, osi layers and have read several RFC before sending an email ? As for 'fraught with peril', this is borderline fear mongering. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Unsubscribe
Title: Message I love this thread. Matt-- -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 6:06 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: UnsubscribeUnsubscribe
RE: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
Basically, if someone doesn't know how many keys ones keyboard has, _and_ he doesn't know how to count them, then I doubt he should be using a computer at all. Devil's advocate: A new user may not know whether to count every single key. For example, shift doesn't do anything at all by itself, right? What about my Happy Hacking Lite's Fn key that's used to build the F1-F10 keys, Home, End, etc. Does it count? Do those keys that don't physically exist, but are generated when you're holding down Fn count? Frankly, *I* have to look up my keyboard specs when I install X (which happens, maybe, once every 1.5 years or so), because the answer isn't nearly as straightforward as just counting the physical buttons. -- Fair comment. And for keyboards with 'internet' 'mail' 'search' buttons ? are they counted as keys. Using n-key keyboard types is lazy, why not have a database of keyboard model numbers to choose from. Matt Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: POP3 daemon recommendation?
qpopper Enhanced Post Office Protocol server (POP3). I have used this and found it to be very, very easy to setup and use. I moved to an IMAP server fairly soon afterwards, so I cannot comment on how it performs over time. Matt Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MySQL 4
I do not know the answer to your question. However, I was googling about similar things and stumbled across a developer thread, the gist of which suggested that it would not be any time soon. One point made, was that there are sill bugs being found in 3.23, and another was that DB developers are a very conservative bunch. Matt -- -Original Message- From: Andrew Pritchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2003 10:20 AM To: Debian User Subject: MySQL 4 With the recent release of MySQL 4, I was wondering when (if ever) Debian was going to be incorporating it into at least the 'testing' tree (let alone the stable tree). TIA, A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Convincing someone to switch to Linux
The part of the argument that is incomprehensible to me is why they need $1000 to buy a single computer! Nowadays most people (even those who use Windows) are spending $500 or less. Since presumably no one in the group is simulating nuclear bomb blasts or calculating the structure of hemoglobin from basic principles, it is indefensible to spend $1000 on a SINGLE computer. Maybe not, if the computer is bugeted for and has to last say, 3 or 4 years, buying a cheap low to middle spec pc now, will result is a 'too slow' pc toward the end of that period. Buying a more expensive but not quite top of the range, maybe something which was top 6 months ago, will be better 3 years down the line. If you have to buy a monitor, buy a nice one, you have to stare at them for hours, they hold their value and last for years. With regard to changing peoples minds, good luck. An important point to remember is that some pople do not enjoy using computers, they regard them as they would any other appliance, not something that they feel much time should be spent learning. This is not nessesarily a bad attitude, just one of many gradients between geek and luddite. just my personal opinion of course. Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Spam filter reviews?
I have been using BMF ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/bmf/ ) for about 6 months with procmail on woody, utterly impressed. The developer answers email on the mailing list very quickly and as far as I can tell noone has found any bug since I have been using it. .deb supported. I can't see how rule based systems can keep up with the spammers in the long term so I did not even bother looking at them. I have seen the spammers change their techniques several times over the last few months, they seem to be misspelling words more these days, I suspect that is to avoid rule hits. bmf catches them as so many of the other words are statistically associated with spam, after which the new spell1ngs gradually work there way in to the bad word corpus. In fact I would say that the actual spam messages are getting smaller and smaller, perhaps that is a response to the bayesian approach. Less words in the message, but more words mispe1t. I do occasionally have to reclassify a mail, but I just move it to another folder and a cron job runs each day. It is still mildly annoying to have to download the spam in the first place though. I got some sms spam the other day. :( They also put ads before movies on video and cinemas. Matt -- -Original Message- From: Bill Wohler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2003 9:41 AM To: Andrew Pritchard Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Spam filter reviews? Andrew Pritchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone know of any spam filter reviews? I went from junkfilter to spamfilter and I'm currently using spamassassin. But for some reason, I've gone from 1 or 2 messages in my +inbox to day to dozens. Are there other filters that are more state of the art? Can anyone compare spamassassin with spamprobe? I installed SpamAssassin (testing) last week and went away for the weekend. I usually get 20-30 spams over the weekend in my Inbox. I came home from an extended weekend away - not one spam in my Inbox. You only get ~10 spams/day? I get hundreds. Serves me right for maintaining an FAQ and other valuable Internet resources. I just read http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html and am convinced that filters like spamassassin won't keep up and that Baysian filters are the way to go. One other filter I read about is ESR's bogofilter, whose Debian description appeals to me more than Debian's spamprobe description. I'll probably end up trying both, but would still appreciate hearing others' experiences. -- Bill Wohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD Maintainer of comp.mail.mh FAQ and MH-E. Vote Libertarian! If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 'apt-cache search' question
the gimp. Using 'apt-cache search gimp gif' did not return the correct answer. The man page for apt-cache says: search search performs a full text search on all available package files for the regex pattern given. It searchs the package names and the descriptions for an occurance of the string and I'm pretty sure it already does what the man page says it does. When I use apt-cache search sometimes I get a whole lot of stuff that isn't what I'm looking for, because of the package description search. I think the problem is that in the command line apt-cache search gimp gif the phrase gimp gif is not a regular expression. What happened here is that apt-cache searched for the pattern gimp and stopped after it saw the space. It didn't even see gif. Regular expressions is a highly detailed technical topic, which I couldn't begin to describe in a mail message. If you can find the O'Reilly book Mastering Regular Expressions you'll find it to be excellent. I don't know any others, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Don't embarrass yourselves by filing a bug on this. :) Kevin That's not how I understood it. From the man page. Seperate arguments can be used to specified multiple search patterns that are and'd together. 'apt-cache search server' and 'apt-cache search server ftp' produce quite different amounts of hits, the space does not 'stop' it. Matt -- Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 'apt-cache search' question
From the man page. Seperate arguments can be used to specified multiple search patterns that are and'd together. 'apt-cache search server' and 'apt-cache search server ftp' produce quite different amounts of hits, the space does not 'stop' it. OK, I may not have it right either. When I try to use more than one argument I either get not what I want or an error message that I must specify only one thing to search. Well, something seems wrong to me, perhaps my understanding of what the description is. I am surprised that 'apt-cache search gimp GIF' produces nothing. while 'apt-cache search gif | grep gimp' produces gimp1.2-nonfree - GIF support for the GNU Image Manipulation Program Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mysql v4
I am keen to move to a later version of Mysql. I have a fairly unmessed-around Woody stable, can anyone guide me through the upgrade from mysql v3.23 to 4 ? thanks Matt Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
can't connect to mysql on debian
I have a debian woody box running mysql from apt-get. PHP4 on the same box can connect ok, but I cannot connect from another machine on the same subnet. Do I have to specifically allow other non localhost connections ? Thanks Matt Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mysql v4.0
Does anyone know of a apt-source to update my mysql server ? there are some features in v4 which are not in the v3.23. thanks Matt Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Test
The last two messages I have sent using this account have not gone through. Testing, please ignore. Thank you! -- It is not the policy of this list to ignore posts. Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mysql v4.0
Joyce, Matthew wrote: Does anyone know of a apt-source to update my mysql server ? there are some features in v4 which are not in the v3.23. thanks Matt deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main Quality of stuff in experimental isn't guaranteed[fresh install is probably fine, assume that an upgrade will break horribly]... Use 'apt-get -t experimental -u install ...' to install. hmm, I am deeply wary of doing this. I just can't face the prospects of lots of dependancies being upgraded and something going wrong. not this week, I will have to drag out the old test machine methinks... thanks though. Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: firewall -- best practices
2. Occasionally, I would like to ssh into my network from work. Is it best to only open up the port on the firewall or do some port forwarding so that ssh connections automatically go to a different (non-firewall) machine? I have been using ipCop on a P133 with dsl, no problems at all, *very easy* to setup. (if the machine has a bootable cd drive) http://www.ipcop.org I setup port forwarding and I have had no problems, but I expect there are other solutions. Presumably you could ssh into one and then telnet to others. Matt Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ftpd-ssl
I don't know of a single native Windows or Mac ftp client that supports it. For that matter, the last time I checked support in the UNIX world wasn't that great either. Most of my ftp is through wget or ncftp (in both Linux and Windows) and I don't think either one supports ssl-ftp. I had no problems finding a freeware windows client. http://sourceforge.net/projects/filezilla I think it's partly a chicken-and-egg problem. Why use it when almost no software supports it and almost no sites use it? Why enable it on your site when almost nobody uses it and almost no clients support it? Why add it to your client when nobody uses it and most people don't even understand why they might want to? I suspect that most people/sites who are concerned about security use ssh/scp/sftp instead. There's also an SSL-enabled telnet, which almost nobody uses for the same reason. well, really it was just for me to use, but I can see the point you're making. most of my friends use sshd with a suitable client (windows putty), I have never used telnet. Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: how the fuck do I unsubscribe
Title: Message You cannot unsubscribe. Noone can. Why would you want to anyway ? Matt -Original Message-From: Fer'had Erdogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 9:16 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: how the fuck do I unsubscribe I have been trying to unsubscribe from this list for a few days now. Ended up sending an email to the list manager as well about it. Why am I still subscribed? Way too many emails for me to deal with. Driving me crazy... Children's Cancer Institute Australia is the only independent medical research institute in Australia solely devoted to research into the causes, prevention and cure of childhood cancer. Our vision is to save the lives of all children with cancer and eliminate their suffering. http://www.ccia.org.au
RE: HP Jetadmin printer tools fro Debian?
HP do a RedHat and a Suse version of the webjetadmin. http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DriverDownload.jsp?prodNum= WBJASWprodName=hp+web+jetadmin+softwarelocale=en_UStaskId=135prodTypeId= 18972prodSeriesId=27905 Can either of those be persuaded to work on deb ? Matt -Original Message- From: stan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:18 AM To: Debian User List Subject: HP Jetadmin printer tools fro Debian? Trying to get the last of my porprietory systems out of service. I'm in pretty good shape, except for the JetAdmin printer managment tools. Any sugestions here? -- They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: columbia -- what really happened
Guys...it's a bit sad when some very brave people died in Columbia to be talking stuff like this...i agree with Vincent that comments like this are not necessary. Spare a moments thought (or longer if possible) for those brave Astronauts and their families who will no doubt endure a lot of pain for a long time at their loss. I feel sorry for their families, kinda hard to feel sorry for astronauts. As for bravery, no I don't think they are brave either. Nurses and doctors are brave, firemen are brave. I wonder how long before US media call the astronauts heros (which they are not). How the US can justify spending so much money on Space while 33 million US citizens live below the poverty line amazes me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: unsubscribe
bwahahahah! Matt -Original Message- From: Vincent Morlot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe -- Vincent Morlot([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: regexp help
I really do not know why filters like this are so popular, surely they need constant manual changes to keep up with the spam. I have found the bayesian filters to be much much more effective and easier to mangage. hey ho, each to their own I suppose. Matt -Original Message- From: Dave W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:21 AM To: debian users list Subject: regexp help I'm using animail and spamassassin on my mail now, with -some- success on spam, but need help with animail's ~/.animail/filter file. It can be filled with regexps for mail blocking, but I'm a regexp newbie and can't find how the heck to do an and in a regexp. or is easy, but _is_ there an and function for regexps? Right now my filter file is simple, like this: ^Subject:.*custom.*website ^Subject:.*celeb* ^From:.*discount ^Subject:.*discount ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^Subject:.*laudable.*project /viagra/ /penis/ ...but I'd like to be able to block subject lines or bodies that have, say, 'celeb' and 'sex' in any order. Pointers or even rtfms that point to the right fms would be appreciated. dave w -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
