Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
don't you people think this discussion is just a little outside the scope of the mailing list? On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, Steve Lamb wrote: Curt Howland wrote: It hasn't been a republic since at least the time of a large number of people being forced at gun point to become citizens against their will, 1865. Most would also cite when the states lost their representatives in the Federal government. 17th Ammendment, 1913. The idea prior to then was that the Representatives were in Congress to represent the people while the Senators were there to represent the States interests. Now that the Senetors are directly elected by the people they are nothing more than another form of representation for the people. It's kind of why states rights have been trampled on ever since. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommendations for Low Resource System
I have been using Blackbox ever since I got into Debian, mostly because it is so small and fast. I use it with xterms, graphics, word processing and simulations. It's great for low power beasts. I had a problem with it only on one machine, where it routinely but spontaneously shut down X, and never had the time to investigate. For word processors I mostly use TeX in Emacs, and Abiword when I have to produce .docs and .rtfs. Abiword's a little buggy, though. Sometimes quits on opening a file, or hangs during a save or when producing a .ps On Wed, 31 May 2006, Tim Day wrote: On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 12:59 -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: Can anyone recommend or tell me about what window managers they use on low resource systems with good results and what word processors they use in that situation? I've found the Blackbox window manager with the minimal style works really well on ancient low-memory hardware, including things with only 8-bit displays. I wasn't trying to run much more than a bunch of xterms emacs though. Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SOLVED: installing sarge from hard drive on libretto110ct
Hi, All! This post will summarize installation of Debian Sarge on Toshiba Libretto 110CT. Thank you, Digby and Kevin, for your help. I did not use your suggestions directly, but you gave me ideas which got me thinking in the right direction. The main problem with Libretto 110ct is that it does not have any internal media drives: no floppy, no cd. All it has, is 2 PCMCIA slots. Its BIOS knows to boot from a PCMCIA floppy, but cannot boot from CD. If you have a blank hard drive, installation of Debian is quite difficult, as Debian installation from floppies requires a boot floppy and a root floppy, but the boot floppy does not have the drivers for PCMCIA floppy drive, so it cannot read the root floppy anyway. So, here's what I did. 1) Install MS-DOS. I used ms-dos 6.22 and installed ms windows 3.11 on top of that - all-flopy installations, no CDs involved. DOS deals with PCMCIA floppy drive just fine. Looking back, I probably did not need windows, just having dos there would suffice. At this point 2G out of 4G of my hard drive is fat-formatted (DOS did it for me). 2) Find and install DOS drivers for PCMCIA CD drive. I have CardPort drive, file cnf_6x.zip from DriverGuide worked. It is important that it's a DOS driver, and that instllation program is small enough that you can put it on a floppy and load into the newly-installed DOS on Libretto. 3) Download Sarge installation CDs from Debian site and burn them. Because the CDROM is now accessible from DOS, I copy the whole 1st Sarge CD onto hard drive. I copied both the .iso image and the CD itself, but I only needed the .iso image in the end. Now, other releases, like Woody, have a boot.bat in their /install directory of the first installation CD. You could copy loadlin, vmlinuz and initrd.gz into c:\ and run boot.bat from out of DOS and be happy. Well, Sarge does not have that. I looked for any installation scripts which I could run manually either from DOS or Linux on Sarge's first CD, and could not find them. Maybe I just don't get it because I am a girl, but in any case one can't install neither Sarge nor Woody on Libretto 110 CT from hard drive from out of DOS. Simply because they can't root themselves in RAM. I have 32M of RAM, and that is the minimum required for installation, so theoretically one should be able to root in RAM. Unfortunately, no matter what I did, I was getting the cramfs: wrong magic kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 01:00. upon invokation of loadlin c:\vmlinuz root=/dev/ram rw initrd=c:\initrd.gz. So, no installing from DOS. Thus, I needed some Linux installed on the Libretto before I get Sarge to install. 4) I got PartitionMagic and partitioned the rest of the disk into ext2. Note: it would have been better to create ext2 and a 128M swap at its end, see further item 8. 5) Download Damn Small Linux (same as Knoppix ?), make a CD and a bootable floppy. Copy Knoppix to the windows partition as described in their Wiki pages. Now I can boot into DOS with an empty floppy drive or into Knoppix with its boot floppy. 6) Boot into Knoppix. It mounted the fat partition on /cdrom. Mount the ext2 partition (/dev/hda2 in my case). Copy Sarge's 1st CD .iso file from fat partition into ext2 partition. Again, perhaps one could copy it directly from CD into ext2 partition, to save time. It's important that it's the .iso, not the CD itself - the installation manual says Alternatively, if you intend to keep an existing partition on the hard drive unchanged during the install, you can download the hd-media/initrd.gz file and its kernel, as well as copy a CD iso to the drive (make sure the file is named ending in .iso). The installer can then boot from the drive and install from the CD image, without needing the network. OK, finding those /hd-media initrd.gz and vmlinuz files on the Debian sites was entertaining, but here is the link: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ Put those files into /mnt/hda2 (whereto I just copied Sarge .iso) 7) Now the goal is to make /dev/hda2 bootable. I marked it as primary bootable by partitionmagic, so DOS would not get confused, but I am not sure it was necessary. Next, find where Knoppix keeps its lilo.conf. Copy it into /mnt/hda2, because Knoppix mounts everything on / except /mnt as read-only, so you can't edit its lilo.conf in its current location. Edit it as follows: #== lba32 # boot from hard drive hda boot=/dev/hda # comment out this line, otherwise lilo complains # install=/boot/boot-menu.b backup=/dev/null # this allows lilo to do its thing with the map on the partition I want to #make bootable. Don't know what it means, but without this lilo complains, # and it just works. Apologies for my ignorance. map=/mnt/hda2/map timeout=100 # comment out this line, otherwise lilo complains #vga=normal default=Debian_install
Sarge on libretto110ct
Hi, Digby, Kevin! Thanks to your help, I was able to install Sarge on my Libretto. I posted how I did it on the lists, since it is a bit different from your suggestions. Still, there are a few things this stubborn Libretto does not want to do for me. For example, the screen is 800x480, but it insists on displaying 800x600, so I lose a part of the image. How can I talk it into displaying 800x480 only? Also, while Sarge (very nicely!) loads all the necessaries for usb, it complains when I plug in the pcmcia usb card: usb-ohci.c: found ohci device with no irq assignment. check bios setings! PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin B of device 15:00.1. Please try using pci=biosirq. And do it goes for all pins. Of course, no usb devices pluggged in it work. And lastly, that thing runs HOT! From your experience, is that really normal? When I pull the PCMCIA cards from it, they are so hot, I worry just how well they would work... Thanks for your help, Luda -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge on libretto110ct
Yeah, that took a bit of digging to get to the bottom of that. The secret incantation that beat the neomagic driver into submision for me was: Option overridevalidatemode Without that it seems to think it knows better than you do what modes to use... no, with that the screen gets even bigger If you can't get it going, let me know and I'll send you a copy of my config. please! - Luda -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
installing sarge from hard drive on libretto110ct
Hello! I have been trying to install Sarge on Toshiba Libretto 110ct for weeks with no success. I gravely need someone to take me through it, as I feel that I've tried everything and can't think of anything else to do. The laptop had an empty hard drive and external PCMCIA floppy and cd drives. It cannot boot from cd drive, only from floppy or hard drive. I installed dos on it and formatted the hard drive. At first, I tried to do an install using only floppies. I made attempts to install both potato and sarge that way, with the same result: after booting with a linux boot floppy, the machine demands a root floppy but never releases the floppy drive (it continues to spin). When, ignoring that, I pull the boot floppy and replace it with the root floppy, it responds with a bunch of queer messages and unable to mount root floppy etc. Somewhere I read that initial linux boot floppy does not have the pcmcia drivers on it, so the machine may not be able to communicate with its floppy in such an install. Correct me if I am wrong. So, after a lot of messing around I installed windows 3.1 and pcmcia cdrom drivers for dos which allowed me to copy the whole debian disk 1 onto the harddrive. I followed the instructions in the installation manual for a hard drive install. I copied loadlin, vmlinuz, initrd.gz and the .iso file for the 1st of the sarge install cds onto c:\ and tried installing linux by invoking loadlin c:\vmlinuz root=/dev/ram rw initrd=c:\initrd.gz. This results in scanning of vmlinuz and initrd, with a bunch of boot messages and finally cramfs: wrong magic kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 01:00. I tried changing the root= parameter, I downloaded vmlinuz and initrd.gs from sarge's hd-media subfolder, but all that results in kernel panic and inability to mount root fs. I copied root.img onto c:\ with no results. I tried using sbm to tell the laptop to boot from the cd, but sbm cannot see the device. I guess it is not an ide. I know I am pretty clueless when it comes to linux, but I have installed debian on a few machines before, and I am able to follow the instructions.. What am I missing? I am stumped. Please help. Thanks, Luda -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing sarge from hard drive on libretto110ct
Hello, Digby and Kevin! So far the agreement between you guys and my other linux-friends seems to be that I should pull the hard drive and install on another system. I will do that as a last resort, because I will probably have a nightmare of a time configuring it on the libretto with all the devices. So, before I do that, I'd like to explore other options. Digby, you said that you installed Debian from SuSE using a hard drive install. What did you do? I am trying a hard drive install, but I am failing, as I described above. Will the difference be that I do it with loadlin and you did it with lilo? Can I get lilo going from dos? I have a 4G hard drive. Dos can only see 2 G of it, so I partitioned the other 2 G into ext2. I left 8M at the end of the disk for sleep/wake cycles (I read somewhere that's where libreto wants them on 4G drives...). I used root=/dev/ram, root=/dev/hda2, root=/dev/hdb2 and many other permutations of /dev/hd** with the same result. The only difference from trying to mount it in ram, is that for RAM-mount it complains cramfs: wrong magic and for /dev/hd** mount that message does not appear. I have 32 M of RAM, and during RAMDISK driver initialization (loadlin-boot method) it allocates 16 RAM disks with 8192 K size, 1024 blocksize. Is that a little much? Maybe my memory is corrupted somewhere, I'll check it out. I have pcmcia network cards and internet access though a modem on another machine, but I have no faith in being able to get pcmcia to work at such early stage of install. I could install windows95 from hard drive, install pcmcia ethernet card, and try to do a network install from my linux desktop at home. But, I have no idea how to configure things on the desktop to do that. Besides, I would only be able to do that if I could boot from hard drive, which I can't! I don't want to install over a modem from debian websites, because I do not trust security of my isp. If all else fails, I could probably get you a bootable Linux partition image which we would just need to get coppied into a partition on your hard drive. How would that work? Luda -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
printer driver list
Hi! Might you tell me how to find out which driver my printer is currently using? And how do I switch from one driver to another? Many thanks, Luda -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: still monitor problems
OK, so I added modelines to Display section of XF86Config-4. Now the section looks like this: Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 SubSection Display Depth 1 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection # SubSection Display # Depth 24 # Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 # EndSubSection These modes are supported, there should be no problem implementing them. However, now when I open Mozilla the screen just turns white. Right-click with the mouse - and standard menu for Mozilla appears. But I do kind of need to see the page What would that be, do you think? That reminds me of the problem I had before, when the colors whould change every time I opened a new window. ctrl-alt - + works now, as I restarted xdm Thanks Appreciate your help, Luda On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Jerome Acks Jr wrote: On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 05:34:13PM -0600, Liudmila Yafremava wrote: Yes, I use a standard gpm mouse (to the best of my knowledge :-) ) I think you need to change /etc/gpm.conf to read something like: device=/dev/mouse responsiveness= repeat_type=raw type=ps2 append= and then restart gpm, i.e., as root run /etc/init.d/gpm restart. Change the mouse section in XF86Config-4 to: Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol PS/2 Option Device /dev/gpmdata EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver keyboard Maybe add some options to better define your keyboard and the number of keys it has. My XF86Config-4 has these, but yours will probably be different: You could add mode lines to Section Screen to control modes and add line to control default color depth. Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 # set default color depth as 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, or 24 DefaultDepth 16 SubSection Display Depth 1 # add mode line to control modes; maybe something like # check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for supported modes and add the ones # you want to use. Maybe something like: Modes 1280x1024 1152x870 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 # add mode line to control modes; maybe something like Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 # add mode line to control modes; maybe something like Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15 # add mode line to control modes; maybe something like Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 # add mode line to control modes; maybe something like Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 24 # add mode line to control modes; maybe something like Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection EndSection [snip] (II) NV(0): Supported VESA Video Modes: (II) NV(0): 720x400@70Hz (II) NV(0): 720x400@88Hz (II) NV(0): 640x480@60Hz (II) NV(0): 640x480@67Hz (II) NV(0): 640x480@72Hz (II) NV(0): 640x480@75Hz (II) NV(0): 800x600@56Hz (II) NV(0): 800x600@60Hz (II) NV(0): 800x600@72Hz (II) NV(0): 800x600@75Hz (II) NV(0): 832x624@75Hz (II) NV(0): 1024x768@87Hz (interlaced) (II) NV(0): 1024x768@60Hz (II) NV(0): 1024x768@70Hz (II) NV(0): 1024x768@75Hz (II) NV(0): 1280x1024@75Hz (II) NV(0): 1152x870@75Hz [snip] (--) NV(0): Virtual size is 1920x1440 (pitch 1920) (**) NV(0): Default mode 1920x1440: 234.0 MHz, 90.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) NV(0): Modeline 1920x1440 234.00 1920 2048 2256 2600 1440 1441 1444 1500 -hsync +vsync [snip] On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 04:19:25PM -0600, Liudmila Yafremava wrote: [snip] I have to do it manually later, and afterwards I cannot reconfigure the monitor. I want to be able to change resolution, but my changes in XF86Config-4 never take effect after reboot; ctrl-alt-+ does not invoke the list of resolutions, and when I run xf86config to change things manually, it throws resolution way down to give me screen-size
Re: still monitor problems
I tried changing to 16 and 24; also tried switching from module glx to module GLcore. Did not help :-( Luda On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Jerome Acks Jr wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 03:04:01PM -0600, Liudmila Yafremava wrote: These modes are supported, there should be no problem implementing them. However, now when I open Mozilla the screen just turns white. Right-click with the mouse - and standard menu for Mozilla appears. But I do kind of need to see the page What would that be, do you think? That reminds me of the problem I had before, when the colors whould change every time I opened a new window. At what color depth is the X server running? The log file you posted in an earlier message was bpp 8 (i.e. 256 colors). Last time I had wild color changes when Netscape/Mozilla window opened, changing to bpp 16 or bpp 24 fixed the problem. -- Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
still monitor problems
Hello! I just installed Debian on my fairly good Pentium !!!, and just barely got my (very good indeed!) monitor to work (thanks to the people on the list). Now, I am having major problems configuring it, as the configuration utility that I run during installation never configures the mouse right. I have to do it manually later, and afterwards I cannot reconfigure the monitor. I want to be able to change resolution, but my changes in XF86Config-4 never take effect after reboot; ctrl-alt-+ does not invoke the list of resolutions, and when I run xf86config to change things manually, it throws resolution way down to give me screen-size letters. I am using BlackBox on this machine. Do you think it is the problem with BalckBox, Debian installation/configuration, or I am doing anything wrong when configuring? To add, I might say that when I try to set the fonts in XTerm, it never finds them. The fonts are there, I checked, in the appropriate directory. It just does not see them. Hmmm... Somehow it seems there is a general problem with my particular Debian installation. Tell me if I am wrong. Thanks, Luda -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: still monitor problems
(II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M (**) Option Protocol PS/2 (**) Mouse0: Protocol: PS/2 (**) Option CorePointer (**) Mouse0: Core Pointer (**) Option Device /dev/mouse (==) Mouse0: Buttons: 3 (II) Keyboard Keyboard0 handled by legacy driver (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device Mouse0 (type: MOUSE) Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/, removing from list! Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, removing from list! (WW) Cannot open APM (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xfc00,0x100) PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/, removing from list! Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, removing from list! On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Jerome Acks Jr wrote: On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 04:19:25PM -0600, Liudmila Yafremava wrote: Hello! I just installed Debian on my fairly good Pentium !!!, and just barely got my (very good indeed!) monitor to work (thanks to the people on the list). Now, I am having major problems configuring it, as the configuration utility that I run during installation never configures the mouse right. I have to do it manually later, and afterwards I cannot reconfigure the monitor. I want to be able to change resolution, but my changes in XF86Config-4 never take effect after reboot; ctrl-alt-+ does not invoke the list of resolutions, and when I run xf86config to change things manually, it throws resolution way down to give me screen-size letters. I am using BlackBox on this machine. Do you think it is the problem with BalckBox, Debian installation/configuration, or I am doing anything wrong when configuring? To add, I might say that when I try to set the fonts in XTerm, it never finds them. The fonts are there, I checked, in the appropriate directory. It just does not see them. Hmmm... What kind of mouse are you using? Are you using gpm? Please post your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and /var/log/XFree86.0.log -- Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
package list screen at installation
Hi! When we instal debian, we have an option to go through the entire list of packages and install them using dpkg. Now, if my system is already installed, but I do not want to search for all packages I did not install for one reason or another, is it possible to display that list of packages in the same form? Thanks, Luda -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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