Re: Running Firefox instead of Iceweasel package?
Hi Erin, On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Erin Brinkley erinbrink...@ymail.com wrote: I use the 'iceweasel' package for my main browser. But I was thinking about how Firefox itself (at mozilla.com) is much newer. I read a blog comment that someone started running the newest binary directly from Firefox instead of the iceweasel package. Is this even possible?? If so I'd like to try it, but don't want to break anything. Is it as easy as just downloading the Linux package from mozilla.com and installing it in /usr/local?? I extract the Firefox tarball in /opt. Then I put an icon in my panel and configure it. In the Application tab, the 'Command:' line should read the following: Command: '/opt/firefox/firefox' Greetings, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinbn+1skswdhs4sfmstnou0al6ray77sk_ks...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Multimedia Lenny is History!
Hi, Don't know why, but for some reason I had the feeling that this might happen some day sooner or later. Unfortunately it's pretty much sooner than I expected. So prior to this disaster, a few weeks ago I downloaded all files from the Lenny repository accompanied by the according html pages. I uploaded all files via WeTransfer using the following email address, I specially created for that purpose: debmu...@gmail.com The password is: lennyfiles So if you're, like me, still using lenny and you need some of the debian-multimedia files, you can download the entire 379MB archive there. Then simply instal them using dpkg. There are only two emails in the inbox: one from WeTransfer. Open it and simply hit the download button. The second email is send by me, containing the md5sums of the files (free.tar, html.tar and non-free.tar) I uploaded to WeTransfer (they zipped them). Greetings, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimcefdd7r5-fzqsm2jrb3-w75jjjscn5xd_t...@mail.gmail.com
Re: universal flash card reader
Hi, On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Russell L. Harris rlhar...@broadcaster.org wrote: I need a recommendation for a Linux-compatible USB-interface flash card reader to handle SD, SDHC, and CompactFlash. My Verbatim Universal works flawlessly with my 16 GB Sandisk Ultra II SDHC card. Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimz4wizkojagk1mcn--hqrwjdhiygpzuucn_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Can not set execute permission to file in usb storage media with fat32 format
I want to execute some script file in usb storage media with fat32 format, but I can not set execute permission to them with chown +x. What shall I do? I don't think chown +x is possible on an alien FS. On my usb stick with FAT32, all files look like they're executables. You might simply use: $ . ./script_file Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimxsfktikgommizubz25+wkmdqiv1g1na1ew...@mail.gmail.com
Re: cups and draft mode
Hi Pol, Using cups on debian testing, the page printed seems in draft mode (the resolution is 1200x1200). How check (and disable) draft mode in cups? Use your webbrowser to access the cups interface: 0: http://localhost:631/ 1. Manage Printers 2. Set Printer Options 3. Printout Mode Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikj3djlac1u7u3bg1pexuvibouo0u3dd8xwq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Accelerating directory's content's viewing: how, is directory is huge?
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote: I have many media files in some specific directory (folder, call it as you want). Loading the folder takes ~30 sec., even if I am using quite fast HDDs, etc. They're all on the same partition. I have disabled previewing, or thumbnails. How can I do to make this process faster? Hi Luca, If you're using ext2/ext3, turning off dir/file access time might help. Edit /etc/fstab and add noatime,nodiratime on the appropriate line, like in the example below: /dev/hdb2 /home ext3 defaults,noatime,nodiratime 0 2 Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimxf91-fvry7nmcign3k7oiudcjkdytgagbo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: wi-fi security?
Hi Paul, I'm running Lenny and found wicd on Debian Backports at: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/wicd You should add the next line to your /etc/apt/sources.list (ie: if you're too using Lenny) deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ lenny-backports main contrib non-free run 'aptitude update', ignore the error msg, install the backports-keyring an update again: # aptitude update # aptitude install debian-backports-keyring # aptitude update Then you can install wicd as follows: # aptitude install -t etch-backports wicd However, when I tried this, aptitude asked if it should remove 'network-manager-kde'. As I'm using that app and don't have wireless, I cancelled the installation. Greetings, Manon. On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Paul E Condonpecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: On 2009-08-05_15:28:21, Preston Boyington wrote: Paul E Condon wrote: snipped I am having some difficulty with network-manager. Aptitude says it is installed on my Acer Aspire one... Paul, seriously take a look at wicd. network-manager is now the second thing I uninstall on my Debian/Ubuntu machines (the first being the update-manager because I prefer to use Aptitude). wicd has been flawless for me since i started using it. I find myself with a very puzzling problem. I want to look at wicd, but I can't. When I tried to install it with aptitude, I could not find it using / search. More puzzling still - I am using approx, the apt proxy, running on a lenny machine that is separate from my desktop and my Acer. I know the proxy is working because I have been using it for at least two months to configure two other specialized servers and my desktop. I used it in the re-install of lenny today, and it worked for that. I still cannot find wicd in aptitude on the Acer, even after this totally new install. **But** I can find it in aptitude on my desktop host. The only differences that I can think of are things that surely should not affect the visibility of a package in aptitude, namely: 1) I selected laptop in tasksel for tha Acer, but not for any of the other hosts. 2) I use /etc/hosts on the other machines, but DHCP on the Acer (DHCP is being served by my D-Link router. It has been doing it successfully for a lon time for the iMacs on the LAN and it allows the Acer to access the web) What could I be doing wrong? Any ideas, anyone? I'm really pretty sure that neither of these differences is the cause of the problem. I must be doing something really dumb, but I can't see what it is. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: wi-fi security?
Hi Paul, Sorry, made an error. You should use or course: # aptitude install -t lenny-backports wicd Greetings, Manon. On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Manon Mettenmanon.met...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, I'm running Lenny and found wicd on Debian Backports at: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/wicd You should add the next line to your /etc/apt/sources.list (ie: if you're too using Lenny) deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ lenny-backports main contrib non-free run 'aptitude update', ignore the error msg, install the backports-keyring an update again: # aptitude update # aptitude install debian-backports-keyring # aptitude update Then you can install wicd as follows: # aptitude install -t etch-backports wicd However, when I tried this, aptitude asked if it should remove 'network-manager-kde'. As I'm using that app and don't have wireless, I cancelled the installation. Greetings, Manon. On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Paul E Condonpecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: On 2009-08-05_15:28:21, Preston Boyington wrote: Paul E Condon wrote: snipped I am having some difficulty with network-manager. Aptitude says it is installed on my Acer Aspire one... Paul, seriously take a look at wicd. network-manager is now the second thing I uninstall on my Debian/Ubuntu machines (the first being the update-manager because I prefer to use Aptitude). wicd has been flawless for me since i started using it. I find myself with a very puzzling problem. I want to look at wicd, but I can't. When I tried to install it with aptitude, I could not find it using / search. More puzzling still - I am using approx, the apt proxy, running on a lenny machine that is separate from my desktop and my Acer. I know the proxy is working because I have been using it for at least two months to configure two other specialized servers and my desktop. I used it in the re-install of lenny today, and it worked for that. I still cannot find wicd in aptitude on the Acer, even after this totally new install. **But** I can find it in aptitude on my desktop host. The only differences that I can think of are things that surely should not affect the visibility of a package in aptitude, namely: 1) I selected laptop in tasksel for tha Acer, but not for any of the other hosts. 2) I use /etc/hosts on the other machines, but DHCP on the Acer (DHCP is being served by my D-Link router. It has been doing it successfully for a lon time for the iMacs on the LAN and it allows the Acer to access the web) What could I be doing wrong? Any ideas, anyone? I'm really pretty sure that neither of these differences is the cause of the problem. I must be doing something really dumb, but I can't see what it is. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Canot access external usb hd anymore
Hi All, Since I installed Lenny from scratch a while ago, I have problems accessing my external usb hd. It is plugged in to a usb port permanently, but I only turn on the power if I need to access it (I use it for backup). As I turn on the power, it reports as owned by root, but when still on Etch, I formatted it like this: # umount /dev/sde # mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 -j -m 1 -L Maxtor -T largefile -v /dev/sde # tune2fs -c -1 /dev/sde # chown manon:manon /media/Maxtor I never had any problem like this with Etch, but now, even after repeatedly changing ownership to manon, it still reports root as owner when I turn the power on again. Sometimes it even appears to be completely empty after I did # chown manon:manon /media/Maxtor and I cannot access any data at all anymore. I also tried: '# chown manon:manon /dev/sde' but that didn't help either. Any ideas what could cause this problem and how to solve it? Thanks in advance, Manon. Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux # less /media/.hal-mtab /dev/sde 1000 0 ext3 nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,data=ordered /media/Maxtor # dumpe2fs /dev/sde dumpe2fs 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) Filesystem volume name: Maxtor Last mounted on: not available Filesystem UUID: 99b7fdbd-5d8e-45bf-a1ec-74b774a39fc9 Filesystem magic number: 0xEF53 Filesystem revision #: 1 (dynamic) Filesystem features: has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery sparse_super large_file Filesystem flags: signed_directory_hash Default mount options: (none) Filesystem state: clean Errors behavior: Continue Filesystem OS type: Linux Inode count: 610560 Block count: 156282966 Reserved block count: 1562829 Free blocks: 59277244 Free inodes: 603706 First block: 0 Block size: 4096 Fragment size: 4096 Reserved GDT blocks: 986 Blocks per group: 32768 Fragments per group: 32768 Inodes per group: 128 Inode blocks per group: 4 Filesystem created: Sun Nov 16 18:35:36 2008 Last mount time: Wed May 13 18:15:07 2009 Last write time: Wed May 13 18:15:07 2009 Mount count: 54 Maximum mount count: 28 Last checked: Sun Nov 16 18:35:36 2008 Check interval: 15552000 (6 months) Next check after: Fri May 15 19:35:36 2009 Reserved blocks uid: 0 (user root) Reserved blocks gid: 0 (group root) First inode: 11 Inode size: 128 Journal inode: 8 Default directory hash: tea Directory Hash Seed: 762114b0-1dbb-4677-8b23-934e5a2b0fe3 Journal backup: inode blocks Journal size: 128M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Owner problem external usb hd
Hi All, Since I installed Lenny from scratch a while ago, I have problems accessing my external usb hd. It is plugged in to a usb port permanently, but I only turn on the power if I need to access it (I use it for backup). As I turn on the power, it reports as owned by root, but when still on Etch, I formatted it like this: # umount /dev/sde # mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 -j -m 1 -L Maxtor -T largefile -v /dev/sde # tune2fs -c -1 /dev/sde # chown manon:manon /media/Maxtor I never had any problem like this with Etch, but now, even after repeatedly changing ownership to manon, it still reports root as owner when I turn the power on again. Sometimes it even appears to be completely empty after I did # chown manon:manon /media/Maxtor and I cannot access any data at all anymore. I also tried: '# chown manon:manon /dev/sde' but that didn't help either. Any ideas what could cause this problem and how to solve it? Thanks in advance, Manon. Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux # less /media/.hal-mtab /dev/sde 1000 0 ext3 nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,data=ordered /media/Maxtor # dumpe2fs /dev/sde dumpe2fs 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) Filesystem volume name: Maxtor Last mounted on: not available Filesystem UUID: 99b7fdbd-5d8e-45bf-a1ec-74b774a39fc9 Filesystem magic number: 0xEF53 Filesystem revision #:1 (dynamic) Filesystem features: has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery sparse_super large_file Filesystem flags: signed_directory_hash Default mount options:(none) Filesystem state: clean Errors behavior: Continue Filesystem OS type: Linux Inode count: 610560 Block count: 156282966 Reserved block count: 1562829 Free blocks: 59277244 Free inodes: 603706 First block: 0 Block size: 4096 Fragment size:4096 Reserved GDT blocks: 986 Blocks per group: 32768 Fragments per group: 32768 Inodes per group: 128 Inode blocks per group: 4 Filesystem created: Sun Nov 16 18:35:36 2008 Last mount time: Wed May 13 18:15:07 2009 Last write time: Wed May 13 18:15:07 2009 Mount count: 54 Maximum mount count: 28 Last checked: Sun Nov 16 18:35:36 2008 Check interval: 15552000 (6 months) Next check after: Fri May 15 19:35:36 2009 Reserved blocks uid: 0 (user root) Reserved blocks gid: 0 (group root) First inode: 11 Inode size: 128 Journal inode:8 Default directory hash: tea Directory Hash Seed: 762114b0-1dbb-4677-8b23-934e5a2b0fe3 Journal backup: inode blocks Journal size: 128M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: which package in etch can convert high-quality mp3 to low quality mp3?
Hi, On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Long Wind longwind2...@gmail.com wrote: I have a cell phone it can't play some mp3 maybe it supports only 128K So I want to convert hight quality mp3 to 128K Which package in etch? I would recommend lame; it's in the multimedia repository (http://www.debian-multimedia.org/). As the default bitrate is 128k, the command line would be: lame --mp3input in.mp3 out.mp3 You might also consider CBR (constant bitrate), as some players cannot handle VBR (variable bitrate) properly. In that case the command line would be: lame --cbr --mp3input in.mp3 out.mp3 However, when transcoding, there's a caveat: all mp3 tags (ie: album, song title, artist, etc.) are lost in the process. So maybe you could write a script that first extracts all tags (mpgtx can read id3v1 id3v2 tags) and then uses them in the transcoding process. lame --mp3input --add-id3v2 --tt title --ta artist --tl album --ty year in.mp3 out.mp3 Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Copy a file one hundred times
Hi Rodolfo On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com wrote: I need the right syntax to copy file.jpg 100 times with one command so to get 100 files named file1.jpg, file2.jpg, ..., file100.jpg. #!/bin/bash for x in `seq 1 100`; do if [[ x -lt 10 ]]; then cp file.jpg file-00$x.jpg; elif [[ x -lt 100 ]]; then cp file.jpg file-0$x.jpg; else cp file.jpg file-$x.jpg; fi done Greetings, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Copy a file one hundred times
Hi Rick,
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net wrote:
I forgot about seq. This is even better (the -w left pads with zero for
equal width):
for x in $(seq -w 1 100); do cp file.jpg file${c}.jpg; done
Waw! Great one-liner.
BTW: Guess you meant file${x}.jpg;
Greetings, Manon.
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Re: Screen blanker Mouse
Hi Kelly, Lee, On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:49:57PM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: Personally, I trust xscreensaver a lot more than the KDE or Gnome screensavers. http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#kde http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html Hmm. Interesting stuff to read. Never given it that much thought. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:15 PM, lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know for sure if the screen saver stops to show graphics when DPMS turns off the signal to the monitor? It's what keeps me from using a screen saver, I don't want it to be active when the monitor is off. Well, than why don't you set the screen blanker to only blacken the screen. It might look not so pretty, but it's more energy efficient and better for your monitor. And there's hardly any visible difference between a black screen and dpms mode anyway. :-) Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Screen blanker Mouse
Hi Rob, Whenever I move my mouse, the screen wakes up from either blanking or dpms mode. I would like to turn that off and have the screen wake up only when I hit the keyboard. searching a bit, it seems like if you're using xscreensaver, increasing 'pointerHysteresis' a whole bunch might do the trick.[1] Actually, I'm using KDE's built-in screensaver. But switching to xscreensaver and increasing pointerHysteresis like you suggested, might be an option. Thanks for the help, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Screen blanker Mouse
Hi, Whenever I move my mouse, the screen wakes up from either blanking or dpms mode. I would like to turn that off and have the screen wake up only when I hit the keyboard. Can anyone please tell me if this is possible at all, and how to achive it. Thanks in advance, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: High Disk Temperatures
Hi David, On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:06 AM, David Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got my new WDC800 disk up and running, LVM (fantastic tool!). 2.6.26-rt now boots without problems. I have noted that during high disk access rates, the temperature of the WDC soars (from a 33c idle to up to 44c!). Such high temperatures are not desirable. Quote from Wikipedia: A common misconception is that a colder hard drive will last longer than a hotter hard drive. The Google study seems to imply the reverse -- lower temperatures are associated with higher failure rates. Hard drives with S.M.A.R.T.-reported average temperatures below 27 °C had failure rates worse than hard drives with the highest reported average temperature of 50 °C, failure rates at least twice as high as the optimum S.M.A.R.T.-reported temperature range of 36 °C to 47 °C. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk_drive Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to convert several .flv files to a real media file?
Hi Serena, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Serena Cantor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, mencoder can encode .flv. See its usage page: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-selecting-codec.html At the end of the web page above, it has an example how to convert a avi file to a .flv flash file. Thanks! You're right. I remember reading somewhere that mencoder couldn't join .flv files, but apparently that was outdated or incorrect info. But as I was happy with output in .avi I didn't bother to look any further. Now I downloaded two small cartoons from YouTube and managed to join the two .flv files with the following command: mencoder in1.flv in2.flv -o out.flv -of lavf -oac mp3lame -lameopts abr:br=56 -srate 22050 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=flv:vbitrate=500:mbd=2:mv0:trell:v4mv:cbp:last_pred=3 -lavfopts i_certify_that_my_video_stream_does_not_use_b_frames However, it took mencoder a considerable amount of time and the output file was more than triple size of the two input files. Using: mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy -idx -o out.avi in1.flv in2.flv goes way much faster and results in an output file slightly larger than double size of the two input files. Maybe fine tuning the opts results in smaller file size (and quality loss??) for .flv, but please don't ask me :-) Comparing the output, .avi equals .flv and for both I find no real quality loss compared with the original files. So I'll stick with .avi for now, but it might come in handy some day if I really need .flv output. Greetings, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to convert several .flv files to a real media file?
Hi Serena, On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Serena Cantor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have etch and installed mplayer and mencoder from debian-multimedia. I can play .flv file and real media file. I have download a video clip from a video site like youtube. The clip has several .flv files. I want to convert them to a single real media file. Which command shall I use? Thanks! I had the same problem a while ago. After some googling I ended up with the following solution: $: mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy -idx -o out.avi in1.flv in2.flv in3.flv etc... I used it to join some 12 .flv files into one single .avi file of approx. the same size as all twelve added up. As I understood it well, mencoder cannot output .flv format (but a lot of other formats indeed). For me there was no reason to convert the out.avi to out.flv, using ffmpeg, as it only results in poorer quality. Besides that, I found ffmpeg deleting some frames while converting. So I stuck with the .avi file. I use ffplay on the command line to watch the .avi video (ffplay is part of the ffmpeg package): $: ffplay -x 640 -y 480 out.avi If you ensist on having a .flv file, you can use ffmpeg like this: $: ffmpeg -i out.avi -sameq out.flv Greetings, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Firefox 2.0.0.14 crashing (was Re: .xsession-errors)
Hi Raju, On 6/7/08, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Manon Metten wrote: The only problem I have lately is Firefox 2.0.0.14 crashing regularly. Everything else is running fine. No. The opcode errors do not correspond to the firefox crashes. The best way to track down the iceweasel crashes is to disable all the add-ons and start iceweasel in a safe mode using iceweasel -safe-mode. Another thing to look for are the flash packages installed on the system. FWIW, I am running Debian Etch, iceweasel 2.0.0.14 and it does not crash at all! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: windows prog on linux
Hi Bela, On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:01 AM, abdelkader belahcene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a program written for XP, I want to run it on my linux debian, I tried wine, I didn't do want, is ther another emulator or another procedure; Check out this link: http://win4lin.net/content/ The only other thing you need is an XP license. Though it's not open source, it works perfect for me. Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .xsession-errors
Hi Raju, On 6/13/08, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I removed '/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1' and the errors where gone. Which errors? Did it get rid of the opcode errors or did it get rid of bad font path element errors? To my surprise I'm back to where I've started from. Yesterday I renamed '/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1', to '/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1-old', then deleted '~/.xsession-errors', logged out and back in to KDE, just to find an empty .xsession-errors file (well, almost empty, apart from the line telling me when my xsession started). So I thought the problem was solved. Today I noticed that the .xsession-errors file was like the one I started this thread with. So I deleted '/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1-old', deleted '~/.xsession-errors', logged out and back in to KDE and got a fresh .xsession-errors file, same as where I started with. In the end the errors are still there, only I've lost '/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1'. Greetings, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .xsession-errors
Hi Michelle, On 6/8/08, Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Manon, Am 2008-06-07 02:16:31, schrieb Manon Metten: On 6/6/08, Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: xset: bad font path element (#71), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax Font Path: /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/ share/fonts/X11/75dpi:unscaled,/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,/var/lib/defo ma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType,/usr/local/share/fonts ^^^ Maybe you should remove this directory since I can not imagine you have it. I have several installations from Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny and Sid and there is not a singel installation, where this directory exist. So removing this directory from the FontPath will eliminate the above four Error lines. I checked all these dirs: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc drwxr-xr-x 2 root root /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi drwxr-xr-x 2 root root /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi drwxr-xr-x 2 root root /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType drwxrwsr-x 2 root staff /usr/local/share/fonts All but /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 have a 'fonts.dir' file in it. /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi contain lots of *.pcf.gz files /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 contains '*.pfb' softlinks to '../../type1/gsfonts/' which does not exist /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType contains softlinks to '/usr/share/fonts/truetype' /usr/local/share/fonts contains a softlink to '/usr/share/fonts/X11/encodings/encodings.dir' and a custom installed font So I removed '/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1' and the errors where gone. Thank you very much for the help. Greetings, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xpdf-utils vs. poppler-utils conflict prevents aptitude safe-upgrade
Hi Aaron, What's this for kind of 'aptitude why' command you used? frenesi: ~ % aptitude why poppler-utils i cupsys Depends poppler-utils | xpdf-utils When I tried 'aptitude why poppler-utils', aptitude complained 'Unknown command why'. I' running Etch (aptitude 0.4.4-4). Could this possibly be a Sid option? Greetings, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux doesn't like DVD+R disks?
Hi Ron, On 6/12/08, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine is an ASUS DRW-1814BLT, and the disks (both DVD-R SL and DVD+R DL) are Memorex. I'm on Debian Etch; dvd burner is Sony optiarc. I'm using Maxell SL DVD+R for backup purposes only without any problems. I remember though I had some of Memorex DVD's (can't remember if they were + or -) and they were causing troubles all the time, so I threw them away. Greetings, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .xsession-errors
Hi Raju On 6/7/08, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Manon Metten wrote: The only problem I have lately is Firefox 2.0.0.14 crashing regularly. Everything else is running fine. No. The opcode errors do not correspond to the firefox crashes. The best way to track down the iceweasel crashes is to disable all the add-ons and start iceweasel in a safe mode using iceweasel -safe-mode. Another thing to look for are the flash packages installed on the system. FWIW, I am running Debian Etch, iceweasel 2.0.0.14 and it does not crash at all! Thanks for the tip. I was using Firefox (not Iceweasel) with flashplayer r115. I installed the newest version (r124) to see if that was the problem. If not, I'll disabling add-ons and try safe-mode. Greetings, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .xsession-errors
Hi Michelle, On 6/6/08, Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: xset: bad font path element (#71), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax Can you show us the output of xset q Here's the output: Keyboard Control: auto repeat: onkey click percent: 0LED mask: 0002 auto repeat delay: 250repeat rate: 25 auto repeating keys: 00ffdbbf fadfffdfffdfe5ef bell percent: 50bell pitch: 400bell duration: 100 Pointer Control: acceleration: 20/10threshold: 4 Screen Saver: prefer blanking: noallow exposures: yes timeout: 310cycle: 600 Colors: default colormap: 0x20BlackPixel: 0WhitePixel: 16777215 Font Path: /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi:unscaled,/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType,/usr/local/share/fonts Bug Mode: compatibility mode is disabled DPMS (Energy Star): Standby: 600Suspend: 1200Off: 3600 DPMS is Enabled Monitor is On Thanks in advance, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.xsession-errors
Hi, Today I noticed this '.xsession-errors' file in my home dir. It's telling me following: Xsession: X session started for manon at Thu Jun 5 18:10:00 CEST 2008 xset: bad font path element (#71), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax startkde: Starting up... kbuildsycoca running... QFont::setPointSize: Point size = 0 (-3) X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10 Major opcode: 2 Minor opcode: 0 Resource id: 0x1ec X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10 Major opcode: 2 Minor opcode: 0 Resource id: 0x1ec X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 Major opcode: 19 Minor opcode: 0 Resource id: 0x1e006de Can anyone please tell me how I can eliminate or correct these errors? Greetings and thanks in advance, Manon Metten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .xsession-errors
Hi Raju, snip Are you running KDE by any chance? I have the same errors in my .xsesssion-errors as well. I have a feeling that it is due to some badly written KDE app. Yes, I'm running KDE (using etch: Linux debian 2.6.18-6-686 #1). I forgot to mention. The only problem I have lately is Firefox 2.0.0.14 crashing regularly. Everything else is running fine. Greetings, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: euro sign / nobreak space
Hi Nigel I suggest unchecking all boxes on the Enable xkb options page, click on apply, then on default, then logout, and login to KDE. Having logged back in, check Enable xkb options box, and scroll down to the Third level choosers section, then check the Press Right Alt key to choose 3rd level, Shift+Right Alt key is Multi_Key. box. Scroll down a bit more to Adding the EuroSign to certain keys section, and check the Add the EuroSign to the 5 key. box. Click apply. Open Gedit, or Kwrite, and try ALT-GR plus 5. This works for me, and I get the € character displayed in the text editor. Wow! Great! I did exactly as you suggested, and now it works. Alt+5 now produces the € sign and Alt+Space the nobreakspace char (ascii 160). Thank you very much for your help. I've tried all I could think of, but I couldn't have figured this out myself. I don't know about the Compose Key Position section though, as I lost access to the € character, when checking any of the boxes here. After the € sign and the nbsp; char worked, I checked Menu is compose as I my previous setting was, and that also works again like it did: á è ï ô ũ:-) Greetings and thanks again, Manon.
Re: euro sign / nobreak space
Hi Florian,
Although it works now as I applied the suggestions of Nigel Henry
(please see my previous reply), there's still this inconsistency in
the xkb_keymap. Here's my current setting:
M setxkbmap -print
xkb_keymap {
xkb_keycodes { include xfree86+aliases(qwerty) };
xkb_types { include complete };
xkb_compat{ include complete };
xkb_symbols { include pc(pc105)+us+level3(ralt_switch_multikey)
+compose(menu)+eurosign(5)+nbsp(level3) };
xkb_geometry { include pc(pc104) };
};
There's only one line that differs from the old line which was
xkb_symbols { include
pc(pc105)+us+compose(menu)+eurosign(5)+nbsp(level3) };
I don't understand how to correct this pc104/105 inconsistency. But as
all works now, it might be irrelevant now.
BTW: I have a 104-key pc keyboard. It has a one-row Enter key with the
backslash/pipe key above it.
xmodmap -pm still has the same output as before
xmodmap: up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):
shift Shift_L (0x32), Shift_R (0x3e)
lock Caps_Lock (0x42)
control Control_L (0x25), Control_R (0x6d)
mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Alt_L (0x7d), Meta_L (0x9c)
mod2 Num_Lock (0x4d)
mod3
mod4 Super_L (0x7f), Hyper_L (0x80)
mod5 Mode_switch (0x5d), ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)
But still missing what you said:
Something is missing in the mod5 line: ISO_Level3_Shift (0x71)
Current:
M xmodmap -pke | egrep 'EuroSign|Level'
keycode 14 = 5 percent EuroSign NoSymbol EuroSign
keycode 113 = ISO_Level3_Shift Multi_key
keycode 124 = ISO_Level3_Shift
The line keycode 113 ...is new.
Do you think, regarding that all is working now like I requested, that
I still should eliminate this pc104/105 inconsistency?
Finally, in Control Center/Xkb options I read Third level
choosers/Press Right Alt key to choose third level, Shift+ Right Alt
key is Multi_Key.
What is this Multi_Key? What's it used for?
Thank you very much for your in-depth explanation.
Greetings, Manon Metten.
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Re: euro sign / nobreak space
Hi Florian, Thanks for explaining. What is this Multi_Key? What's it used for? It is used to compose special characters by pressing two or more keys in succession. OK. Then I prefer to use the Menu-key, coz that's the way I set up Xkb options. To me it's much easier than pressing Shift+Alt-Gr. Greetings, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: euro sign / nobreak space
Hi Florian,
On 4/13/08, Florian Kulzer
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wrote:
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 21:43:55 +0200, Manon Metten wrote:
On 4/12/08, Nigel Henry wrote:
On Saturday 12 April 2008 05:17, Manon Metten wrote:
Hi All,
In KDE/Control Center/Keyboard layout/Xkb options, I set
Adding the EuroSign to certain keys to Add the EuroSign to the 5
key,
coz that's where it is located on my keyboard.
At the bottom of the Control Center I read: setxkbmap -option
eurosign:5,compose:menu.
(I have set Compose Key Position to Menu is compose.) So I expected
to
get
the EuroSign after pressing the menu key and then the 5 key. But all
I
get is
no EuroSign.
Tried I tried Alt+5, Ctrl+5, Ctrl+Alt+5 etc. but I don't get no
EuroSign.
What did I do wrong?
What keys do I have to press to get the EuroSign?
Send us the output of the following three commands:
setxkbmap -print
xkb_keymap {
xkb_keycodes { include xfree86+aliases(qwerty) };
xkb_types { include complete };
xkb_compat { include complete };
xkb_symbols { include pc(pc105)+us+compose(menu)+eurosign(5)+nbsp(level3)
};
xkb_geometry { include pc(pc104) };
};
xmodmap -pm
xmodmap: up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):
shift Shift_L (0x32), Shift_R (0x3e)
lock Caps_Lock (0x42)
control Control_L (0x25), Control_R (0x6d)
mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Alt_L (0x7d), Meta_L (0x9c)
mod2 Num_Lock (0x4d)
mod3
mod4 Super_L (0x7f), Hyper_L (0x80)
mod5 Mode_switch (0x5d), ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)
xmodmap -pke | egrep 'EuroSign|Level'
keycode 14 = 5 percent EuroSign NoSymbol EuroSign
keycode 124 = ISO_Level3_Shift
I also found this: Adding the nobreakspace keysym to space key with
the
options to set it to any, second, third and fourth level.
Then we also need the output of:
xmodmap -pke | grep space
keycode 65 = space space nobreakspace NoSymbol nobreakspace
Thanks in advance, Manon.
Re: euro sign / nobreak space
Hi Nigel, Well I tried adding the € to the 5 key on my Etch install, which only has the original US keyboard layout. The only box I checked in xkb options was the Add the EuroSign to the 5 key one, and ALT-GR plus 5 now gives me the € char. The command shows: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5 I did the same, but it just don't work. Later on I checked the box Space key output nobreakspace at third level. I tried ALT-GR plus space in Gedit, and Kwrite, and that still makes a space, but in KDE's Konsole ALT-GR plus space results in no visible space, but a continual string of characters, so it appears to be working, but what it's used for, I have no idea. Perhaps someone would tell me. I use the nobreakspace char instead of the br / tag in html code. Gives a much cleaner text. The command now shows: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5,nbsp:level3 Strange, my output of the same command shows nothing. Thanks, Manon.
Re: euro sign / nobreak space
Hi Nigel On 4/12/08, Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 12 April 2008 05:17, Manon Metten wrote: Hi All, In KDE/Control Center/Keyboard layout/Xkb options, I set Adding the EuroSign to certain keys to Add the EuroSign to the 5 key, coz that's where it is located on my keyboard. At the bottom of the Control Center I read: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5,compose:menu. (I have set Compose Key Position to Menu is compose.) So I expected to get the EuroSign after pressing the menu key and then the 5 key. But all I get is no EuroSign. Tried I tried Alt+5, Ctrl+5, Ctrl+Alt+5 etc. but I don't get no EuroSign. What did I do wrong? What keys do I have to press to get the EuroSign? Hi Manon. I have a few keboard layouts setup, but on the GB one, the right alt key (ALT GR) plus the 4, gives me the € sign. On the US keyboard layout, right alt plus E does the same. French keyboard, right alt plus E again, and the same for portugese layout. I have a US keyboard, but it just won't work. I have tried all options (2 key, E key and 5 key) but nothing works. Whenever I press the Alt-Gr + E, the Edit menu opens (same with the left-Alt + E). I also found this: Adding the nobreakspace keysym to space key with the options to set it to any, second, third and fourth level. What is a level, and eg. if I set it to second level, how do I access the nobreakspace char then? Not sure about the nobreakspace char, but the levels are: Level one: lower case characters. Level two: Upper case characters (using the shift key). Level three: Additional characters (using right alt (ALT GR) key). Level four: More additional characters (using right alt plus shift). Thanks for the info. Didn't know that.But whatever settings I try, I don't get a nobreakspace char (ascii 160). Greetings, Manon.
euro sign / nobreak space
Hi All, In KDE/Control Center/Keyboard layout/Xkb options, I set Adding the EuroSign to certain keys to Add the EuroSign to the 5 key, coz that's where it is located on my keyboard. At the bottom of the Control Center I read: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5,compose:menu. (I have set Compose Key Position to Menu is compose.) So I expected to get the EuroSign after pressing the menu key and then the 5 key. But all I get is no EuroSign. Tried I tried Alt+5, Ctrl+5, Ctrl+Alt+5 etc. but I don't get no EuroSign. What did I do wrong? What keys do I have to press to get the EuroSign? I also found this: Adding the nobreakspace keysym to space key with the options to set it to any, second, third and fourth level. What is a level, and eg. if I set it to second level, how do I access the nobreakspace char then? Greetings, Manon.
Re: Change the openoffice's UI Font?
On 4/1/08, Michael Yang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all another problems for OO. The UI Font is so ugly that I want to change it. I've tried every solutions I can find in google, but nothing works! - Check/Uncheck using system font - Apply replacement table for the font Andale Sans UI, or Andale Mono. - Tried to replace the other fonts. - Remove old .openoffice.org2 and create a new one. However, nothing changes for the UI Font. Do you guys have any suggestions to fix this? ( lenny/sid, openoffice 1:2.0.4-3, kernel 2.6.24) You could try to set Scaling to 80% in menu Tools/Options/OpenOffice.org/View On my system (etch/kde) OpenOffice.org looks like any other app. Greetings, Manon.
Re: How to extract text from PDF?
Hi Andrius, On 3/6/08, Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi lads, technical question: is it possible to extract text from PDF? From PDF to txt. Using Adobe Reader 8.1.2 I could simply select text with my lmb, and than paste the text to wherever I want. Or I could do a ctrl-a and select copy from the popup window (note that the cursor must be over some selected text). Than I went to eg. Kate and use paste from the popup window and the entire text was pasted. Manon.
Re: fsck.ext3
Hi, On 2/2/08, Sam Leon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I set mine for 60 days or 100 mounts. Before I change something, I would like to know the current setings. How do I find those? Greetings, Manon.
Re: opera browser problem?
Hi Jim, On 1/29/08, hce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the opera browser has caches when I view the web pages? Yes, Opera caches web pages. You'll find them here: Tools/Preferences/Advanced/History. You can also empty the cache there. Have you tried to reload a page/frame. ... sometime I could only see partial configuration page with all buttonswere missing and the browser was busy to waiting something ... In my experience, when Opera loads a page and encounters an error, if you try to reload that page, it keeps busy waiting forever. Greetings, Manon.
Re: OT: Flash memory
On 1/12/08, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 07:53:28PM +0100, Manon Metten wrote: On 1/11/08, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you spin around in a circle fast enough while holding the flash card, all the bits slide to the outside edge where they're harder to reach. ;) Yeah, I had the same problem with my harddisk. It spins by nature. But to compensate I welded the heads to the outer edge. Ever since I only get fuzzy answers on my queries. But hey, I only ask inane questions anyway, so who cares. Ahh, you made a fuzzy-logic drive. Doug. Exactly ... more or less. Manon.
Re: OT: Flash memory
On 1/11/08, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you spin around in a circle fast enough while holding the flash card, all the bits slide to the outside edge where they're harder to reach. ;) Yeah, I had the same problem with my harddisk. It spins by nature. But to compensate I welded the heads to the outer edge. Ever since I only get fuzzy answers on my queries. But hey, I only ask inane questions anyway, so who cares. Manon.
Re: 386 kernel (was Re: debian 3.1 - how make it to support 2G memory)
Hi Ron, On 11/28/07, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can guarantee you with metaphysically complete certitude that OP is *not* using a machine with an 80386 chip in it. Sure :-) I Googled a bit and found that the 80386 was first released in 1986. So that's pretty ancient. I had no idea. I come from the Amiga world (Motorola). Well, in the end, every now and then a good laugh keeps you vital. Here's a good one I found somewhere on the web: A comp tech wants to play a word game with his colleague: who can come up with the best oxymoron. So he starts off with Military Intelligence. After some thinking, his colleague replied with Microsoft Works ... and won the game. Greetings, Manon.
Re: debian 3.1 - how make it to support 2G memory
Hi Ann Kok, On 11/27/07, ann kok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. I have 2G physical memory but the kernel is showing 1G the kernel verion is 2.4.27-2-386 Once I had the same problem with kernel: 2.6.18-4-486 After I upgraded the kernel to 2.6.18-5-686 I could use 2Gb. I was told that There were no 486 machines with more than a GB of RAM, and those CPUs probably don't have the features needed by HIGHMEM. So obviously your 2.4.27-2-386 kernel has the same problem. But to be honest, I don't know if you can use a 686 kernel on a 386 machine. Manon.
Re: Which browser is better, firefox?
On 11/4/07, BartlebyScrivener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This means, Iceweasel *is* Firefox just with another name. Yes, usually. But it also wreaks havoc with certain sites because the user agent says ice weasel which most sites don't recognize. If you stay with ice weasel, I recommend the firefox user agent switcher plugin if you have any problems with scripts not running etc. Or in about:config set general.useragent.extra.firefox to Firefox/2.0.0.8. Manon.
Re: Regarding tar and split
Hi Sean, You might consider using Lha. It does the same as tar and bzip2 together (although you can disable compression). It has a simple syntax. You can also view the contents of the archive and even extract one single file from it. Example (suppose I have a 'work' dir with a.o. the file 'abc' in it): cd ~ lha a work.lha work/ (pack and compress entire dir incl. sub dirs) lha v work.lha ( view contents) lha x work.lha work/abc(extract only the file work/abc from the archive). Manon.
Re: Shut down or leave on?
Hi, I was wondering if powering on causes the most wear and tear to HD's, than wouldn't it be wise to set timeout in /boot/grub/menu.lst to eg. 600 (10 min.) so that the HD's have some time for warming up before they are accessed heavily on boot-up. Manon.
Re: WYSIWYG editor
Hi, On 8/28/07, Loeghmon T. Nejad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you recommend as a good, practical WYSIWYG editor for creating simple web pages, with mostly text, some graphics and pdf, for debian Lenny please? Thanks. You could use Quanta +. Pressing 2 will load the page you just edited in Opera; Ctr+Shift+F12 in Firefox, F12 in Konqueror; Mozilla in Shift+F12; Netscape in Shift+F6; OTOH, you should always be aware that what the end user sees, depends heavily on his/her settings. Do never expect your page to look exactly the same as on your system. Check out this link: http://htmlhelp.com/ Here's the intro from there website: The Web Design Group was founded to promote the creation of non-browser specific, non-resolution specific, creative and informative sites that are accessible to all users worldwide. To this end, the WDG offers material on a wide range of HTML related topics. We hope that with this site as a reference, you will be able to create Web sites that can be used by every person on the Internet, regardless of browser, platform, or settings. Manon.
Re: icedove, KDE and pdf attachments
Hi Giorgos, On 8/29/07, Giorgos Pallas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which brings me to my last question: I don't have a ~/.icedove nor a ~/.thunderbird directory... Where does it store my profile? ~/.mozilla-thunderbird. Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Ron, On 8/20/07, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the links. You surely know how to find something. I find this much more comfortable than eg. typing: rx mp3conv.rexx 256kbps ~/mp3/work Even better: I run this script from within my dir util (DirOpus == Konqueror), so I don't have to type anything. Your geek cred just dropped. Substantially. Why, just tell me why? Because you want to point and click instead of run a script. (Even if it's easier, that doesn't matter.) That just ain't fair ;-) You completely ignored the fact that I wrote a complex script to accomplish a boring task. I think you should give me some creds for that. I propose just enough to return to the level I've been dropped from :- Greetings, Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Bob, On 8/20/07, Bob Proulx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I copied this to my 'Bash-howto'. I would hate to see you record this in your howto with == without knowing that == is a bash specific feature. :-) Well, actually it ain't that hard. I know from C that = assigns a value to a variable and == compares the value of that variable to something else. So I only have to remember not to use == in Bash and if I forget how to do it correct, than I check my 'Bash-howto'. Greetings, Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Douglas, On 8/19/07, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I don't understand the concept of compeletly controlling and editor from a script. Everything I can do by accessing a menu item or hitting some keys, I can do from within a script, and even more. I still haven't found any Linux editor as versatile as GoldEd. If I could, I wrote my own :-( Furthermore I have complete control over menu layout and keyboard shortcuts. I can put every menu item wherever I want and make it do whatever I want. I could even write my own menu, deleting all default settings. Same applies to keyboard shortcuts. Greetings, Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Anthony, On 8/20/07, Anthony M Simonelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Zenity? I've used it before to provide a GUI interface to some of my simple bash scripts. Thanks for the tip. Gonna check this out too. Greetings, Manon.
Re: Source of Debian wisdom
Hi Douglas, On 8/19/07, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you mix with apt-get ... ... This leads to the cruft buildup that aptitude is suposed to help you prevent. I remember a thread some time ago that just pointed out not to mix apt-get with aptitude. The other problem is this. Install package A. Aptitude brings in package B to meet a dependancy. Over time, you get attached to package B in its own right. Later, either package A changes and doesn't need B or you remove A. If you haven't told aptitude that you want to keep B, it will go ahead and remove it too. In interactive mode, you get a detailed preview (with reasons) of what aptitude wants to do. You can then edit that preview to fine-tune it before telling aptitude to go ahead. It really tries to protect you from yourself without preventing you from shooting yourself in the foot if that is really what you want to do. Yeah, I had this once - don't know anymore which package - but from the command line aptitude wanted to remove a lot that I wanted to keep. So I had to enter interactive mode and put that stuff on hold. Greetings, Manon.
Re: Source of Debian wisdom
Hi Mumia, On 8/19/07, Mumia W.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * However, I never do anything at the command line that hasn't been verified as safe. I always use the curses interface to find out what is going to happen before I enter a command at the command line. Well, that's a valuable advise that I'll keep in mind. Greetings, Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Douglas, On 8/19/07, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] almost wrote: Perhaps the OP can restate her needs and we can help her make a reasoned choice without it becoming a religious issue. OK. I have a hard time to remember all those command line options. So whenever I have to accomplish a task multiple times, I write a script for it in ARexx. Arexx is also capable of opening windows to request user input, eg. a window with some options. I could not find this possibility in Linux/Rexx. So I was looking for another language and found Python capable of doing so. Here's an example: I've written a script in ARexx for creating mp3 files. It has a couple of modes: Scale - 192kbps - 256kbps - Cancel. So when I run this script, it opens a small window with these four options and I just have to pick the one I need. Then it opens another window to select the directory where I have my .aiff files stored (it defaults to ~/mp3/work). I find this much more comfortable than eg. typing: rx mp3conv.rexx 256kbps ~/mp3/work Even better: I run this script from within my dir util (DirOpus == Konqueror), so I don't have to type anything. But I have a second question: Is there a programmable text editor available (with a nice GUI - not something like emacs where I have to remember all those ctrl+shift+left-alt+m commands) that I can completely control from within a Python script? Greetings, Manon.
Re: Source of Debian wisdom
Hi Douglas, On 8/19/07, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that many of the horror stories about aptitude involved people using it as a CLI replacement for apt-get instead of using its curses interface. Are you saying I should NOT use aptitude as a replacement for apt-get, like this: aptitude install new-package ? I've been using aptitude like this all the time ever since I installed etch with no problems whatsoever. What's the problem of doing so and not using it's user interface? Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Ron, On 8/19/07, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python + Tcl/Tk should be easier than Python + Gtk. Thanks. Even simpler would be bash + dialog or it's GUI companion gtkdialog. Could you mail me some examples you wrote, please? I find this much more comfortable than eg. typing: rx mp3conv.rexx 256kbps ~/mp3/work Even better: I run this script from within my dir util (DirOpus == Konqueror), so I don't have to type anything. Your geek cred just dropped. Substantially. Why, just tell me why? But that's ok. Really. Honestly, we won't snicker about you while sipping pretentious and outrageously expensive microbrew. I swear. Beware, Big Brother's watching you :-) Greetings, Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi David, On 8/19/07, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It certainly has its warts. In particular, Bash's test (aka [) operator has pitfalls. Testing for an empty variable, for example, is awkward. If you do: if [ $foo == ] Bash will complain about missing arguments. Instead, you have to do something like this: if [ x$foo == x ] which works, but makes no sense the first time you see it. The file- testing features of test are quite powerful and extensive, though -- there are few languages where it's quite so easy to test conditions like, 'is this a directory?'. Thanks. I copied this to my 'Bash-howto'. Greetings, Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Steve, Thanks for sharing your valuable experience. I've decided to first become more familiar with Bash and then I'll give Python a try. If it don't like it, I can always try something else. But ATM I think Python will be the best option. I've seen some code on the net that looks pretty clean and some examples that enable me to achieve what I want. Manon.
Etch with Lenny kernel...
Hi, Because of the Debian Security Advisory DSA 1356-1 yesterday, I did an aptitude update/upgrade. All went well except for the following message: The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-486 This is my situation: 1. March this year I installed Etch with an 2.6.18-486 kernel. 2. A couple of weeks ago I installed 2Gb RAM. 3. Because of the 2.6.18-486 kernel I could only use 1 Gb. 4. I was advised to install the 2.6.21-2-686 kernel. Today I learned that Etch only has 2.6.18 kernel. I'm happy with Etch. I prefer stability and security over the advantage of having the latest packages. Does this mean that all packages I installed after installation of the Lenny kernel, are Lenny packages? If so, I now have a mixed system, partly Etch and partly Lenny. I keep a record of all aptitude update/upgrade installations and also of all installed packages. Could I safely install the 2.6.18 kernel and then remove/reinstall everything that is installed after I installed the 2.6.21 kernel, including all aptitude upgrades. M uname -a Linux debian 2.6.21-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Jul 13 15:05:54 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux Manon.
Re: Etch with Lenny kernel...
Hi Gilles, On 8/17/07, Gilles Mocellin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = You just have to use the Etch 2.6.18-686 kernel to use more tha 1Gb ! [...] No need of 2.6.21, Lenny If your system works with 2.6.21-2-686, it will with 2.6.18-5-686. Thanks, Manon.
FYI: Severe Vulnerability in Opera 9.22
Hi, I just read in the papers that there's a severe vulnerability discovered in Opera 9.22, although the article did not say what. It is fixed in 9.23. Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Wayne,
I have never seen this way of defining a path [ PATH=~/XX:${PATH} ]
These lines come from .bash_profile:
# set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then
PATH=~/bin:${PATH}
fi
I learned PATH=a path:a new path everything inclosed in quotes. I
think (?) i tried your way yesterday and got strange results but I
deleted that test file so
Of course I tried PATH=~/XX:$PATH before, but when that didn't work,
I tried it the way .bash_profile showed me.
Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Wolodja, As a side note on documentation. You might find packages like dwww or dhelp useful. They provide a single entry point to access all installed documentation. Thanks! It's a very useful tip. Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Andrei, On 8/10/07, Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just look at your .bash_profile: # ~/.bash_profile: executed by bash(1) for login shells. And in .bashrc I find: # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells. So this is my conclusion: Whenever I open a new bash window, .bash_profile is executed, coz bash is invoked as: /bin/bash --login. On the other hand, when I open a new session, obviously there's no need to invoke it as /bin/bash --login and thus .bashrc is executed. I found a very useful link to learn more about shells: http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/courses/build/shell-scripting/ch02.html Thanks for your response, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Mike, On 8/10/07, Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Errr... She :-) Sorry 'bout that! Hard to see what you look like! Never heard of a guy named Manon, only of 'A Boy Named Sue'. But then again: What's in a name? :-) Abject apologies and all that. Also, that's a better quote (from My Fair Lady). Well, that wasn't exactly necessary, but: axxepted. Greetings, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Wayne,
On 8/9/07, Wayne Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK I think I found the problem.
Your path statement is incorrect.
PATH=~/XX:${PATH}
Try this
SCRIPTS=/where/your/scripts/are
PATH=$PATH:$SCRIPTS
That ain't the solution either. I got exactly the same output.
So I entered the line echo Hello World... at the end of
.bash_profile, just to see if if were executed by a new bash
session. And ... NO.
Whenever I open a new bash window, I read Hello World...
but when I open a new session, no message is shown.
So, I think the problem is whenever I open a new session,
.bash_profile isn't read anymore. But I really have no clue how
to solve this.
Greetings, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Mumia, On 8/10/07, Mumia W.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to add the dir ~/scripts to my path, what command do I use for that? M echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games But how do I add ~/scripts to that path? Thanks, Manon. I believe the correct way to do this is to set the path in ~/.bashrc. Set it like so: PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:$HOME/scripts I've tried some of the other ways discussed in the thread, and they didn't work. I hope this helps. Thanks for your reply. I already discovered that adding it to .bash_profile doesn't work, but to .bashrc does. But someone told me it should belong in .bash_profile. Well, I don't know, but adding it to .bashrc works and I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one with this 'problem'. Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Orestes, On 8/10/07, Orestes leal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the correct way to do this is to set the path in ~/.bashrc. Set it like so: PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:$HOME/scripts This works but, the ~/scripts dir appear for every user? because if /root/scripts = $HOME/scripts while runnning as root running as other user this don't work, so if you gonna use only for one user this solution it's okay. Thanks for your response. Well, it's a single user machine, anyway. Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Andrei, It works as it should on my system: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep Hello .bash* .bash_profile:echo Hello from bash_profile .bashrc:echo Hello from bashrc [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ bash Hello from bashrc [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ exit exit [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ bash --login Hello from bashrc Hello from bash_profile [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ It works on my system as well, for every new bash WINDOW I open, but not for every new bash SESSION I start: M grep Hi .bash* .bash_profile:echo Hi from .bash_profile... .bashrc:echo Hi from .bashrc... M Every newly opened bash window greets me with: Hi from .bashrc... Hi from .bash_profile... Every tty greets me with: Hi from .bashrc... Hi from .bash_profile... When I enter bash --login I also get: Hi from .bashrc... Hi from .bash_profile... But then again, that's the same as opening a new bash window. But whenever I open a new session in an already opened bash window, I only get: Hi from .bashrc... So, from that, I conclude that it's default behavior that whenever I open a new session, only .bashrc is read. Anyway, thanks for the tip and for your response. Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Wayne,
On 8/10/07, Wayne Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you doing all of this in KDE? If so I have no clue. I would
suggest you go to a console VT and enter the path statements I showed.
Then, if it doesn't work there, there is a real problem ...
Yes, I was doing this in KDE. I start bash from an icon on my panel
(it's run as /bin/bash --login). I tried what you suggested, switched to
tty1 and logged in as manon. It said Hello World... to me, coming
from the 'echo' line I previously added to .bash_profile. Same result
in tty2.
Well, there's definitely something wrong here, but it isn't really much of a
problem no more, coz I put my scripts in ~/bin now, as Andrei suggested.
And the problem seems to be related to starting a new bash session, not
to a tty or opening a new bash window.
However, obviously something is really messed up but I don't know
where to look for a solution.
The strange thing also is, when I put PATH=~/XX:${PATH} in .bashrc
a every new session recognizes the new path although the order is
somewhat different (for readability I replaced /home/manon with ~):
first bash window: ~/bin:~/XX:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
second session: ~/XX:/~/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
third session: ~/XX:/~/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
etc.
second bash window: ~/bin:~/XX:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
second session: ~/XX:/~/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
third session: ~/XX:/~/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
etc.
In tty1 tty2 I got: ~/bin:~/XX:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
Every tty greets me with Hello World...; every new bash window does
the same, but not a single new bash session says Hello World... to me.
So the problem seems to be related to second (or higher) bash sessions.
I thought it should inherit the path from its parent, but I'm not sure.
Confusing, huh?
Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Wayne,
On 8/8/07, Wayne Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you saying that you put the PATH in .bash_profile like
PATH=./scripts:$PATH
export PATH
And doing
. . .bash_profile
does not make it availible when it finishes? If that is so, please
post the contents of your .bash_profile.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Here's what I did right after I logged in to KDE (as I'm using
~/bin for my scripts now, I did mkdir ~/XX for this example):
- open new bash window
- echo $PATH
/home/manon/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
- open second session
- echo $PATH
/home/manon/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
- close second session
- nano .bash_profile
- entered PATH=~/XX:${PATH} at the end
- save exit
- echo $PATH
/home/manon/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
- . .bash_profile
/home/manon/XX:/home/manon/bin:/home/manon/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
- open a second session
- echo $PATH
/home/manon/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
- open a second bash window
- echo $PATH
/home/manon/XX:/home/manon/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
- open a second session in the second window
- echo $PATH
/home/manon/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
- close second window
- nano .bash_profile
- removed the line PATH=~/XX:${PATH}
- save exit
- closed first window
Then I logged out from KDE and logged back in again.
I did exactly the same as written above and got exactly the same
output apart from now entering export PATH=~/XX:$PATH instead
of PATH=~/XX:${PATH} at the end of .bash_profile.
Strange, huh?
Did you also notice that after the first . .bash_profile I got
... /home/manon/bin:/home/manon/bin ...?
This ain't no typo, coz I copy/past'ed the output right from bash.
Here's my .bash_profile:
# ~/.bash_profile: executed by bash(1) for login shells.
# see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files for examples.
# the files are located in the bash-doc package.
# the default umask is set in /etc/login.defs
#umask 022
# include .bashrc if it exists
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi
# set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then
PATH=~/bin:${PATH}
fi
And here's my .bashrc:
# ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells.
# see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files (in the package bash-doc)
# for examples
# If not running interactively, don't do anything
[ -z $PS1 ] return
# don't put duplicate lines in the history. See bash(1) for more options
export HISTCONTROL=ignoredups
# check the window size after each command and, if necessary,
# update the values of LINES and COLUMNS.
shopt -s checkwinsize
# make less more friendly for non-text input files, see lesspipe(1)
[ -x /usr/bin/lesspipe ] eval $(lesspipe)
# set variable identifying the chroot you work in (used in the prompt below)
if [ -z $debian_chroot ] [ -r /etc/debian_chroot ]; then
debian_chroot=$(cat /etc/debian_chroot)
fi
# If this is an xterm set the title to user:dir
case $TERM in
xterm*|rxvt*)
PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne \033]0;${USER}: ${PWD/$HOME/~}\007'
;;
*)
;;
esac
# enable programmable completion features (you don't need to enable
# this, if it's already enabled in /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/profile
# sources /etc/bash.bashrc).
if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then
. /etc/bash_completion
fi
#
PS1='M '
alias ll='ls -l --color=auto'
alias la='ls -a --color=auto'
alias al='ls -al --color=auto'
alias m0='mount /media/cdrom0'
alias m1='mount /media/cdrom1'
alias um0='umount /media/cdrom0'
alias um1='umount /media/cdrom1'
alias x='exit'
alias +='clear'
Greetings, Manon.
Confusing world, said the spider, and returned to her web :-)
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Florian, On 8/8/07, Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/Perl/start.html http://hetland.org/writing/instant-python.html Thanks for the links. They are very useful. Although I did already some reading of Bash-Beginners-Guide I still find it hard to understand. But I think I gradually will make some progress. Greetings, Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Vincent, On 8/9/07, Vincent Lefevre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zsh is more powerful, e.g. recursive globbing, MULTIOS, more powerful parameter expansion, tied parameters... In fact, zsh is better mainly for interactive use (better completion mechanisms, multiline editor). I'll take a look at their website. Well, I find Perl easier to understand. The problem may be with some programmers who don't know how to write readable code... Now, the thing I really hate concerning python is that it is sensitive to indentation; this means that some operations like copy-paste or inserting a loop can easily destroy code. And diff -b or diff -w can't be used reliably. Well, that's a major disadvantage to me too. Also you need to take other things into account: * What the language can express and what you need (e.g. closures, etc.). OK. On my Amiga I had not so much choice, so in many cases, I had to do some work-around in order to achieve what I wanted. But in Linux, waw, it is so comprehensive that the choices are somewhat overwhelming. Thanks for your reply, Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Steve,
On 8/9/07, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or should I learn bash scripting anyway?
Learn enough to be able to parse it and convert it to your language of
choice.
That's a valuable advice. It'll save me a lot of time and yet I'll be able
to achieve what I want.
import os
for file in os.listdir('.'):
root, ext = os.path.splitext(file)
if ext.lower() == 'wav':
mp3 = root + '.mp3'
result = os.system(lame -h -b 160 '%s' '%s' % (file, mp3))
if result:
print '%s not converted' % file
Longer, yes. Easier to follow? Most certainly. Superior, no
doubt. The
shell example would miss WAV, Wav, wAv, etc. Secondly the only place we
need
to escape the variable is when we need shell to do some work, namely the
call
to lame. Finally we don't end up with '.wav.mp3' files all over the
place.
We can check the results easily and handle failures gracefully. Can all
of
that be done in shell? Certainly. Is it worth doing in shell? Not
hardly.
On my Amiga I'm used to ARexx. It has some same advantages over AmigaDOS
like you describe above about bash vs. python. Fortunately there's
regina-rexx for
Linux. It has the same syntax and I've already written some scripts
combining
regina-rexx and grep. But I think the scope of regina-rexx is somewhat
limited
compared to python. But for the moment I can use it and gradually learn
bash,
python, perl or whatever suits me.
Greetings, Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Steve, On 8/9/07, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: python ... is sensitive to indentation; Well, that's a major disadvantage to me too. Actually, it isn't. At no time have I ever had any problems with Python code which would not also be an issue in other code as well. The only difference being you have to be careful about indention in one case, braces in the other. Besides, let's face it, if there is a person who puts code into place and then doesn't make the indention make sense to ensure they did the job properly is that someone who's opinion we're going to trust when it comes to decent coding practices? Most people are going to make the indention match *anyway*. Since pretty much every programmer's editor comes with de/indent a block of text there is no problem. Than, probably I didn't understand it correct. I thought of it as some prefixed indentation. I like eg. to indent with two spaces and not four or six. But then I consequently stick to it. If that's what you mean, then it ain't no problem for me. Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python intention (Was: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?)
Hi Steve, Thanks for explaining. I'll examine some scripts I'll find on the web, to get an idea of how it looks. Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Vincent, On 8/7/07, Vincent Lefevre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not zsh (more powerful than bash) or perl? Could you explain in short why you prefer zsh over bash? Thanks, Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Nelson, On 8/8/07, Nelson Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nowadays I replaced Perl with Python, but I still use Perl from time to time (to write one-liners mostly). Why did you switch from Perl to Python? Learn how to use 'find'. It's very useful. Also regular expressions. I will. I noticed already that I probably could do the same with 'find' as I was used to with 'list' on my old Amiga. Thanks for the tip, Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Andrew, On 8/8/07, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've begun picking up (mostly by osmosis and from reading Florian's posts) a lot more awk, find, and regex. Those three combined with xargs or find -exec can get a pile of work done really quickly. Thanks for the tip. Those are very useful commands. I will certainly check this out and start using them. Greetings, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Andrew, On 8/8/07, Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how do I add ~/scripts to that path? I saw nobody in the thread suggested this: Instead of a ~/script dir I use a ~/bin dir and didn't need to change anything because ~/.bash_profile already contains: Thanks for the tip. I didn't notice this simply because ~/bin didn't exist (until now). Greetings, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi, This thread ain't over yet. Apart from using ~/bin (as Andrei Popescu suggested) I noticed that adding 'export PATH=$HOME/scripts:$PATH' to the end of ~/.bash_profile, the newly added dir is not available in any new session I open. However, when I open a new bash window, the new dir is available. Something like this: Bash Win1 - Session 1: ~/scripts YES - Session 2: ~/scriptsNO ... - Session X: ~/scriptsNO Bash Win2: - Session 1: ~/scripts YES - Session 2: ~/scriptsNO ... - Session X: ~/scriptsNO etc. So just to try, I've put 'export PATH=$HOME/scripts:$PATH' in /etc/profile but that didn't make any difference. Then I placed it in ~/.bashrc and yep! ~/scripts available in every session. Is this default behavior or don't I just understand it? Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Nelson, On 8/8/07, Nelson Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why did you switch from Perl to Python? I found the code I wrote easier to understand. But as I said before, I still use Perl for some tasks. OK. I forgot to mention Perl in my initial question. But if the code is easier to understand I guess I better try to learn Python first. But for now, I'm very happy with regina-rexx, to which Michael Marsh pointed me. I've used it for many years on my old Amiga and still do. Yesterday I installed it on Linux, and I've already written my first script :-) But that won't keep me away from learning other languages. I guess you don't actually switch languages, but learn new ones and then you end up writing more code with what you're comfortable with. Or with the best one for a given task. Good point; I agree. Thanks and greetings, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Nyizsnyik, On 8/8/07, Nyizsnyik Ferenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding $HOME to /etc/profile should not work the way you want it to. These settings are global, consider them as executed by root, so in this case $HOME will resolve as /root, not /home/manon as you may have expected. Thanks, I didn't think of this. I just forgot to mention it, but I also tried adding 'export PATH=/home/manon/scripts:$PATH' to the end of /etc/profile, but that didn't work either. But for now, the problem is solved by adding it to ~/.bashrc. I think the other problem is related to the mode you start a terminal session, whether or not bash is a login shell. There was further information in this thread before. Well, at the moment, I don't quite understand this, but I think I first have to work my way to 'man bash'. Anyway, thanks for your reply. Greetings, Manon.
Re: Canon Powershot A640
Hi Andy, I remember om my old Amiga I had a similar problem. It had something to do with the camera not complying to usb standards. I first had to format the mem card on my computer before I could access it. From then on I had no more problems. Though this ain't exactly Linux related, you might give it a (power)shot. Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Wayne, On 8/8/07, Wayne Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any changes made to .bash_profile or .bashrc require a restart of that file. If you have at the end of the .bash_profile, the command . .bashrc Then after editing either one, you do . .bash_profile ( which is the same as logging out back in) the new commands you entered will then work. Musch faster then a logout/login. Executing . .bash_profile makes no difference. The new dir won't show up in another session, only if I open a new bash window, but never in a new session. The only thing concerning .bashrc in .bash_profile are these lines: # include .bashrc if it exists if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc fi But it actually is not much of a problem any more, coz I already found some solution. Nevertheless thanks for telling how to restart .bashrc .bash_profile. I didn't know this. Greetings, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Andrew, On 8/8/07, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you haven't yet, you would be well served to read man bash. As I already said (Quote: I first have to work my way to 'man bash' ), I surely will. It is an excellent resource, and you'll learn bash scripting at the same time. Pay particular attention to the startup information and what process bash goes through during startup. Thanks for mentioning. I guess it will take some time before I grasp the concept, but I think it will be worth while. Greetings, Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi Andrew, On 8/8/07, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're missing the point. Write in whatever suits you and the task at hand. If you're hacking on a project that has already started, then learn the appropriate language. If you're starting from scratch, then learn whichever one seems intuitive to you at the outset. Be prepared to realise that you've made the wrong choice and port it something else. ;) I guess you're an experienced programmer, which I'm not. I don't learn another programming language that easy, coz I only master two: AmigaDOS and ARexx. But now I feel the need switch to Linux and either become familiar with bash/perl/python or whatever. That's why I asked my initial question: to not find out at some point that I've made the wrong choice. Don't pick a language because someone else told you it was easier to read. Lots of people can read perl-splatter with ease others can read scheme-nested-parenthesis madness like its their native tongue. Well, maybe than, it's a matter of programming habits. That's why I didn't think of that, coz my code mostly is pretty neatly. You have to find some compromise that 1) works for YOU and 2) meets the needs of the project. I agree. Thanks again. I appreciate your precious advise. I hope I make the right choice, but if I don't, I'm prepared now to switch. Not regarding the things I already learned as a waste of time, but as maybe to be valuable at some other point in time, or at least giving me some more experience that'll make it easier to learn something new. Greetings, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Wayne, Pretty straightforward your PS1 example. That's one bridge too far for me now, as I'm only for about one year on Debian. I simply use PS1='M ' for user and PS1='R ' for root :-) For me, the rest is redundant info, which only distracts me. Isn't Debian (Linux) fun! Yes, it is. That's exactly why I choose this particular distro. Greetings, Manon.
How to add dir to path
Hi, I want to add the dir ~/scripts to my path, what command do I use for that? M echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games But how do I add ~/scripts to that path? Thanks, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Mike, On 8/7/07, Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do something like this $ export PATH=~/scripts:$PATH If you put it into the appropriate startup script it will get done every time. I was looking for some kind of 'path' command but could not find anything alike. I didn't know of 'export'. I just found out that if I add my dir to /etc/profile it's available every time. Thanks, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Nyizsnyik, On 8/7/07, Nyizsnyik Ferenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would rather you checked your ~/.bash_profile file. What's the reason I shouldn't touch /etc/profile but use ~/.bash_profile instead? Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Andrew, On 8/7/07, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $PATH is an environment variable like any other and gets assigned a value in the same way as any other. export is used to make a variable available to other processes that come after the one spawned by the assignment process. Thus any process that is a child of the parent of the export statement gets access to that variable. so this is just three actions jammed together and its processed in a way better expressed like this: SNIP This assignment will only exist in the shell in which it executed. When you exit that shell, it will disappear along with that shell. That's why you put somewhere where it will get started for every shell... Thanks for explaining. So I understand that export PATH=~/scripts:$PATH concatenates ~/scripts and $PATH and sets the result to be the new $PATH. This is kinda like on my old Amiga where I have a 'path' command, but where I must use the ADD option, otherwise the path would be replaced (like using export PATH=~/scripts): path ~/scripts add == export PATH=~/scripts:$PATH If I want an environment variable available all the time, I should place it in either /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile, right? Manon.
bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi, I'm about to learn bash or python scripting. - Which one is easiest to learn? - Which one is more powerful? - Can I execute /bin commands from within a python script (something like mkdir or ls)? Or should I learn bash scripting anyway? Please, let me know your experiences. Thanks in advance, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi PK, On 8/7/07, P Kapat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the reason I shouldn't touch /etc/profile but use ~/.bash_profile instead? For the simple reason that you wouldn't want (or prefer) to mess with the system's defaults unless otherwise forced to. Moreover, think of a machine where you do not have root access, like one in your office or department or somewhere else. You can still add your local dirs to the PATH in ~/.bash_profile. For more on bash startup see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files for examples. I ain't got no /usr/share/doc/bash/examples dir. There's also no /usr/local/share/doc dir. Where do I get these examples? Take some time out and go thru man bash, it is a nice document. Well, actually I'm considering to work my way through the Advanced Bash Scripting Guide. So I'll be back in a couple of months :-) Thanks greetings, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi David, On 8/7/07, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the reason I shouldn't touch /etc/profile but use ~/.bash_profile instead? They do the same thing, but for different scopes. /etc/profile affects every account on the system. ~/.bash_profile only affects your own. On a single-user machine the distinction is meaningless, but on a multi-user system it's important. Software installed publicly for everyone goes in the PATH set in /etc/profile, software installed in an individual person's home directory goes in the PATH set in ~/.bash_profile. It's good to get in the habit of thinking about these distinctions, because some day you might be administering a machine that's used by other people. Generally unless you have a specific reason to put something there, you want to leave /etc/profile alone. Thanks for this clear explanation. I'll follow your advice. Manon.
Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?
Hi David, On 8/7/07, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm about to learn bash or python scripting. - Which one is easiest to learn? That's debatable, I think. Bash's syntax is more idiosyncratic, but there's less of it. - Which one is more powerful? Python. Or should I learn bash scripting anyway? If you plan to do much system administration, learning bash scripting is worthwhile. There are three reasons I can think of right off the bat: - Every Unix-like system you encounter will have some version of the Bourne shell. Not every system will have Python. - You will often need to modify or maintain other people's bash scripts, since that's how most startup scripts and the like are written. - Simple bash scripts can be done right from the shell prompt, which is sometimes handy. I wish I'd discovers Linux some ten years ago. I have literally hundreds of AmigaDOS and ARexx scripts - some of them very powerful - that don't even come close to converting to bash (or maybe python). Now I feel I've to re-invent the wheel. Thanks for your input, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi PK, On 8/7/07, P Kapat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ain't got no /usr/share/doc/bash/examples dir. There's also no /usr/local/share/doc dir. Where do I get these examples? apt-get install bash-doc In general, for any package, pkg, pkg-doc is a good source of help and examples. Waw, thanks again! This is very useful stuff. Greetings, Manon.
Re: How to add dir to path
Hi Mike, On 8/7/07, Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $ export PATH=~/scripts:$PATH SNIP Well, I combined two commands into one. $ x=y sets an environment variable x to value y. $ export x makes x available to all subprocesses in the tree which get created after the export. $ export x=y does both at the same time. Thanks for explaining. To be honest, I didn't notice. I just found out that if I add my dir to /etc/profile it's available every time. Umm, not where I would have put it. That affects every user. I'd put it into ~/.bash_profile because I use bash. That way it would affect only me. If another user doesn't use bash as his shell, then he'll break. Others also advised against modifying /etc/profile. So I reset it to its original state and placed export PATH=~/scripts:$PATH at the end of ~/.bash_profile. All works well now. Thanks, Manon.
