Re: (OT) Prejudice against sendmail?
Paul Johnson wrote: Sorry, no. On anything bigger than your personal mail server, Qmail is going to require replacing with a modern MTA. There's a reason to not like it other than just djb-damage? Aside from DJB (which is big reason enough for me), the biggest reason why I wouldn't touch qmail with ten-feet pole is vendor lock-in. With reasonably complicated configuration of sendmail/postfix/exim you can switch between each other with reasonable amount of work. With qmail (in either direction) you just have to start from scratch. Binaries in /var/qmail/bin (which is fixed in Debian) are just the tip of the iceberg that DJB wants to do things in other way than the rest of the world. I am affected by qmail on the server my primary domain is hosted (I don't have root password there) and it is really PITA to dance around qmail issues. Just say No. More thorough (and from much more authoritative source) discussion is on http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=warez#djb Matěj -- 23 Marion St. #3, Cambridge, MA 02141, (617) 876-1259 http://matej.ceplovi.cz/blog/, map http://tinyurl.com/r2lfa GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC A GOOD name is rather to be chosen than great riches. -- Proverbs 22:1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (OT) Prejudice against sendmail?
Andrei Popescu wrote: I don't know too much about MTAs, but after your mail I find it strange that both my previous and current ISP use qmail. It USED to be the best alternative to sendmail (although I am not sure what is older -- postfix or qmail) and now many huge installations of qmail are effectively locked-in to qmail, because migration to anything else is almost impossible given qmail weird design issues. Matěj -- 23 Marion St. #3, Cambridge, MA 02141, (617) 876-1259 http://matej.ceplovi.cz/blog/, map http://tinyurl.com/r2lfa GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC My point was simply that such tax proposals [for Pigovian taxes compensating for the transaction costs] are the stuff that dreams are made of. In my youth it was said, that what was too silly to be said may be sung. In modern economics it may be put into mathematics. -- Ronald Coase Notes on the Problem of Social Cost -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (OT) Prejudice against sendmail?
Matej Cepl wrote: Aside from DJB (which is big reason enough for me), the biggest reason why Just to elaborate on this -- I have no problems to believe that DJB is a genius, his IQ may be really enormous, but unfortunately he was hurt by the problem many geniuses are hurt as well -- communication with him requires genius as well. So for example, take a look at usable by humans output of his EPLF (http://crackmonkey.org/faq.html#ANSWER23), or try to tell me how to make email alias with dot in the name part (like [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) using his .qmail-* files (here is the manpage http://www.qmail.org/man/man5/dot-qmail.html) -- I am probably an idiot, but it took me three hours and a lot of googling, before I found an answer. And I have to confess, I don't like programs which make me feel like an idiot. Best, Matěj -- 23 Marion St. #3, Cambridge, MA 02141, (617) 876-1259 http://matej.ceplovi.cz/blog/, map http://tinyurl.com/r2lfa GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC That distinction is reflected in the apocryphal remark made by a French diplomat to his British counterpart: This is all very well in practice, but will it work in theory?. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (OT) Prejudice against sendmail?
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: maybe they should try courier, it is very similar to qmail I thought mainly about .qmail-* configuration files -- does courier uses them as well? Matěj -- 23 Marion St. #3, Cambridge, MA 02141, (617) 876-1259 http://matej.ceplovi.cz/blog/, map http://tinyurl.com/r2lfa GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC My point was simply that such tax proposals [for Pigovian taxes compensating for the transaction costs] are the stuff that dreams are made of. In my youth it was said, that what was too silly to be said may be sung. In modern economics it may be put into mathematics. -- Ronald Coase Notes on the Problem of Social Cost -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where is glxgears now ?
Ron Johnson wrote: That only works if you've already installed mesa-utils. That's not true -- it works whenever you run apt-get/aptitude update. Of course, it's just sheer luck that glxgears are mentioned in mesa-utils description, for this (searching where particular program is coming from) http://packages.debian.org or apt-file would be more robust alternative. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, Cambridge, MA 02141, (617) 876-1259 In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded easily. -- Charles, Count Talleyrand -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: detect shell script language
Lorenzo Bettini wrote: I was told that this was used to get around problems in older versions of shells. Wov! How old shell you have to have, which doesn't understand normal shebang line? Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, Cambridge, MA 02141, (617) 876-1259 To err is human, to purr feline. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trouble on the Debian Front?
Hex Star wrote: Yikes...is Debian gonna survive? There is surprisingly non-idiotical debate about this on slashdot http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/03/0329217 and Martin Krafft (madduck) has some comments on his blog http://blog.madduck.net/debian/2006.09.03_never-give-up.xhtml Best, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, Cambridge, MA 02141, (617) 876-1259 According to the Franciscan priest Richard Rohr, spirituality is not for people who are trying to avoid hell; it is for people who have been through hell. In many ways, spirituality is about what we do with our pain. And the truth is, if we don't transform it, we will transmit it. -- Al Gustafson (quoted at http://thecorner.typepad.com/bc/2004/04/transform_not_t.html) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (OT) Prejudice against sendmail?
Steve Lamb wrote: Not sure why anyone who needs just a smarthost would use a full-featured MTA. Here's my entire configuration... smtp.dmiyu.org smtp --port=25 One term -- internal messages. forwarding messages to some special users is so fun (like mail2news gateway posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 If in desperation, read the documentation! -- Brian D. Ripley, on R-help list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (OT) Prejudice against sendmail?
Steve Lamb wrote: Then that is, by definition, not a smarthost, is it? Smarthost = handle all my mail, kkthxbye. No, that's nullmailer. Smarthost is send all my Internet/external/non-local mail to one SMTP server. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Besides, the determined Real Programmer can write Fortran programs in any language. -- Ed Post, Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: detect shell script language
Ron Johnson wrote: IOW, wish is a Tcl script? wish is Tcl runtime (the same as /usr/bin/perl for Perl programs). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support, rather than illumination. -- Andrew Lang -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mv files by date
Ron Johnson wrote: Shift key? That's what Caps Lock is for. It has been remapped to Compose couple of months ago ;-). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 We can tell our level of faith in what God wants to do for us by our level of enthusiasm for what we want God to do for other. -- Dave Schmelzer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I replace lilo with grub?
Paul Johnson wrote: # dpkg --purge lilo Don't purge it! Just --remove -- at least you would have working /etc/lilo.conf if you would like to return back. # apt-get install grub Double check /boot/grub/menu.lst *before* you reboot. Sure. Personally, I would stick with lilo if it works for you until you have the experience to deal with an unbootable Linux system without tearing your hair out. Except that it is possible boot with grub when screwed up /boot/grub/menu.lst happens, with lilo you are just screwed. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 I've just learned about his illness. Let's hope it's nothing trivial. -- Irvin S. Cobb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: detect shell script language
Lorenzo Bettini wrote: OK, so the line exec ... can be used as an heuristic for detecting the actual scripting language, right? I have no idea why they use this construct (something similar is used in some perl scripts when they try to be cross-platform between Unix and Windows, which apparently can use exec line), but for example browser for Wordnet (/usr/share/wordnet/wnres/wnb) has this as a shebang: #!/usr/bin/wishwn But, I know nothing about Tcl/Tk anyway. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 They never open their mouths without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge. -- Thomas Brackett Reed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (OT) Prejudice against sendmail?
Martin Möller wrote: * very powerful * very flexible Actually, most probably overkill for whatever you need (people who need advantages sendmail has over any competing MTAs usually don't need to ask questions ;-)). Cons: * attacked frequently (either because of design weakness or because it's so commonly used?) Both. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Whenever Christ our life is revealed, then also you will be revealed with Him in glory. -- Colossians 3:4 (Green's Literal Translation) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (OT) Prejudice against sendmail?
martin f krafft wrote: Without trying to be religious or anything of that sort, I can recommend postfix without restrictions to most anyone -- it has an excellent security track record, a large support community, great documentation, and it's really not that complex (even though it can be, once you start doing more advanced stuff). Generally I tend to agree (and I wish postfix was made into the default MTA for Debian as it is almost every other Linux distribution -- except I am not sure whether RedHat kicked the sendmail habit already), but sendmail has one huge advantage -- they are still so widespread, especially in the commercial world, that any Linux certification (and I am afraid many jobs you may be interested in) required pretty good knowledge of sendmail. Which is the reason, why I have installed sendmail on my notebook (and read Bat-book!). Otherwise, in the totally ideal world, where I could choose whatever I want, it would be probably postfix. Best, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 If trains stop at train stations, what happens at work stations? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: detect shell script language
Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: I need to detect the language of the script in order to highlight it accordingly (GNU source-highlight http://www.gnu.org/software/src-highlite) See Emacs manual How Major Modes are Chosen. It says You can specify which major mode should be used for editing a certain file by a special sort of text in the first nonblank line of the file. The mode name should appear in this line both preceded and followed by `-*-'. Other text may appear on the line as well. For example, ;-*-Lisp-*- Except that this is totally Emacs-specific and to the best of my knowledge nobody outside of Emacs world doesn't use it. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Give your heartache to him. (1Pt 5,7; Mt 11:28-30) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: detect shell script language
Miles Bader wrote: Nonetheless, if such a cookie is present, it's a great thing to use for this purpose, as it's unambiguous. Sure, but still I would begin with parsing shebang (with some additions -- like Tcl), and then I would see how many scripts are ambiguous. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. -- Napoleon Bonaparte (or many other people to whom this quote is ascribed) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mv files by date
Curtis Vaughan wrote: Can someone tell me the correct command line for moving a bunch of files between directories that are, say, older than yesterday while preserving their time stamps? find . paramters to select appropriate files \ while read FILE ; do mv $FILE other-directory/$(basename $FILE) done Read find(info), bash(1), and mv(1) for more details. Best, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 There are lies, damned lies, and quotes from literary icons. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mv files by date
Curtis Vaughan wrote:
Should I do this?
find ./ -type f ! -mtime -2 -exec ls -al {} \; | xargs mv ../
You can but you are doing it too much complicated -- find by default prints
on stdout found filename. And concerning xargs -- I don't use it that much
(it always confuses me to no end), but doesn't it put the filename from
stdin to END. So that effectively you would have
mv ../ filename
(I don't think, that's what you want).
I really prefer my while cycle:
find ./ -type f ! -mtime -2 | while read FILENAME
do mv $FILENAME somewhere/
done
Result is the same as with xargs, but at least I know what's going on.
Matej
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Re: aptitude vs. debfoster
T wrote: What? All the apache2-common, apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-utils that get automatically installed are not touched: It is weird -- works for me. Can you go to aptitude and check these packages which should be removed, whether they have A to the left of the name of the package? Something like this: i A kdelibs4c2a4:3.5.4-3 4:3.5.4-3 If they don't, you can fix it manually by Shift+M, which should make them ready to be deleted. However, why they are not marked so, I have no idea -- it just works for me. Otherwise you can investigate which packages claim to be dependent on them (Reverse dependency -- Shift+R). Somebody else could chime in? Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Most of the social problems in America today can be directly linked to the failure of native Americans to establish an effective immigration policy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mv files by date
T wrote:
Why not something like (please test before use):
find ./ -type f ! -mtime -2 -exec mv {} ../ \;
Of course, that's the best. Silly me.
Matěj
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Re: How do I replace lilo with grub?
Mathias Brodala wrote: Before you do that you should backup the config file from lilo (never used it so don’t ask me which one it is) and after the installing you should /etc/lilo.conf check grub’s menu.lst to make sure that all entries were migrated correctly. Just to be sure, run also grub-install after playing with /boot/grub/menu.lst. I know that grub should work automagically, but it happened to me, that it didn't couple of times when doing big changes (moving partitions, etc.). And it was remote server, so I had to move my fat butt and get to it, find keyboard and monitor for it, etc. Oh well. :-( Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 If in desperation, read the documentation! -- Brian D. Ripley, on R-help list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using cups remotely?
Liam O'Toole wrote: There is no need for the cups daemon on the second machine; in fact, you only need to install the cupsys-client package. That's correct, except if the client-machine is notebook -- I haven't manage to make cupsys-client to switch between different servers. With local CUPS it works like a charm. Go to http://localhost:631 with your preferred browser and [Add Printer], and then just follow the prompts. When you hit a problem, then let us know, specifically stating, what you did and what happened. Also use other notes in this thread (editing /etc/cupsys/ files). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 A child can go only so far in life without potty training. It is not mere coincidence that six of the last seven presidents were potty trained, not to mention nearly half of the nation's state legislators. -- Dave Barry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email programs that work.
Micha Feigin wrote: Looks nice, not too heavy, although it also doesn't support hebrew (can't even see the text not to mention right to left), and it always segfaults on exit. Aside from top-posting (please, don't), I am not sure what it is in your message -- kmail, sylpheed, or mulberry? And if you say that kmail doesn't support Hebrew, but this http://www.ivrix.org.il/projects/spell-checker/screenshots/kmail-hspell.png looks very much like Hebrew to me :-). And this guy http://hieronymouse.ouvaton.org/ seems to like kmail for Hebrew as well. Best, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 There is the story of a pastor who got up one Sunday and announced to his congregation: I have good news and bad news. The good news is, we have enough money to pay for our new building program. The bad news is, it's still out there in your pockets. -- innocent Subject line of very non-innocent spam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive vs, tetex
Micha Feigin wrote: What is the difference between the two latex implementations available under debian? tetex is older, abandoned upstream (and upstream author suggests its user to switch to texlive), and slightly smaller. TeXLive is community maintained (by different TUG groups), much bigger, much more platform independent (not much of interest for us, but you get support on Windows, Mac, and all possible Unices). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. -- Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email programs that work.
Marc Wilson wrote: On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 05:39:56PM -0600, djhack wrote: Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. For all you thunderbird users... My own TB pet-peeve -- when will TB be able to filter with RegExps? (at least plugin would help) Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 My life has been full of terrible misfortunes most of which never happened. -- Michel de Montaigne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email programs that work.
Marc Wilson wrote: I'm still trying to figure this one out. You think filtering belongs on the client, yet you read mail from multiple locations and use IMAP. How do you reconcile the two? Use offlineimap everywhere? Take a look at imapfilter. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Most of the social problems in America today can be directly linked to the failure of native Americans to establish an effective immigration policy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email programs that work.
Ron Johnson wrote: maildrop is your friend!! (procmail is your enemy.) But of course it presumes an MTA (and usually fetchmail). No, of course, when I need MUT with regexps I have my kmail, but sometimes it could be handy (when Windows happen for example). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 There's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows. -- Matthew D. Fuller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Applying Patch to Kernel Source
David Baron wrote: How does one do this correctly? I don't know how to do it correctly, but in unpacked kernel tree doing zcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1 would apply the patch. Then run make-kpkg without any --added-patches stuff and it should work. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Goodbye, said the fox. And now here is my secret, a very simple secret: It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email programs that work.
Andreas Rippl wrote: Generally I tink that it boils down to your requirements in a MUA. I Of course there is one thing which has to be admitted to mutt -- its ability to go be used through ssh. I use it sometimes when I need it, and it is by far the best alternative of that (don't start me to complain about pine). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 He loves nature in spite of what it did to him. -- Forrest Tucker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Applying Patch to Kernel Source
Matej Cepl wrote: zcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1 sorry, this should be bzcat patch.bz2 ... Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support, rather than illumination. -- Andrew Lang -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email programs that work.
Paul Scott wrote: I do this routinely with Thunderbird. You mean ssh -X? How fast is your connection between the Internet and the ssh server? Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 If trains stop at train stations, what happens at work stations? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email programs that work.
s. keeling wrote: You have a ridiculously complicated system for organizing your mail, and it's mutt's fault for doing what it does well. No. Sorry for previous flame -- I cannot resist, but I am serious -- mutt is lacking. It is not its mistake, it is by design, which has its advantages, but it has its limits as well. Sometimes little advertised fact is that mutt was never intended to be MUA -- it's like a kit with which you can built your own MUA. You have to add SMTP server, filtering, IMAP manipulation, anti-spam filtering, vfolders, and anything else you would like your MUA to do. The result could be really good, but when you want more than just simple things (or when you are not that classy programmer) it's getting ridiculously complicated. My requests were not that complicated (kmail can do it easily), but with mutt it became really complicated -- synchronizing with IMAP folders (more folders, not just INBOX), filtering according to body (so no imapfilter), and of course anti-spam. That meant isync, than scripts going through list of folders and applying procmail on each message and applying bogofilter to each message. You have to manage proper trashing of messages (be aware, that isync was not able work with removed messages, I had to trash them properly). OK, I am flawless human, but when made twice mistake in these scripts which caused lost messages, I decided that this is twenty-first century and I should not do everything myself. I switched to KMail and I have never regretted it. And yes, I like that I am able to read HTML-mail (read, not write). Just to explain what I meant, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 A nuclear war can ruin your whole day. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Thunderbird-win and .wab
Welly Hartanto wrote: Why thunderbird-nix* can't import windows addrees book (.wab) file while thunderbird-win can do it ? Its using Outlook Express (or some of its libraries) to get stuff out. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences. -- C. S. Lewis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to Totally!! nuke X11?
Miles Bader wrote: Maybe you don't care, and have gobs of disk space to burn, but _lots of people do care_, and aptitude does an elegant and painless job of Another advantage of aptitude is when you get really weird dependencies problems -- yes, it should never happen, but it does. Then ability to go through list and fix messed up package structure is really handy. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 There is no reason to suppose that most human beings are engaged in maximizing anything unless it be unhappiness, and even this with incomplete success. -- Ronald Coase Introduction to ``The Firm, the Market, and the Law'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email programs that work.
Michelle Konzack wrote: Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. Balsa - Copies entire message at reply. I have tried the suggested Ctrl Kmail - Configured it, and got test messages in and out then it started Evolution - Configured it, and got test messages in and out then it Those are not MUA's but nightmares Try Mutt ;-) I have used mutt for couple of years and found it lacking so I switched to kmail, which is much powerful for my purposes. Aside from being troll and self-promoting ass, what do you know about these other MUAs that you can talk about them so authoritatively? Best, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 This is a signature anti-virus. Please stop the spread of signature viruses! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stupid dependency on aptitude
Wackojacko wrote:
hopefully kpackage can be made to use aptitude in the future!
It is called adept and its not-yet-100%-stable version is already in
Debian/{unstable,testing}
Matěj
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Re: Program to draw chess boards
Paolo Pantaleo wrote: I need to draw some chess boards, starting let's say from the FEN description of the board, in an automatic way (something like a script, good for automating the drawing of many boards). Is there any program that do that? The best is TeX solution -- not exactly drawing chess boards, but their quality is perfect (as always with TeX). http://www.tug.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/chess.html (plus other entries mentioned there). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Less is more or less more. -- Y_Plentyn on #LinuxGER (from fortunes -- I cannot resist :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Odp: Re: just some thoughts
Paul Johnson wrote: IF games are good coded and static compiled they are working always and on any locations. So what's /usr/games? for games installed from .deb packages (/usr/ should be limited just to whatever was put there by dpkg). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 The politician attempts to remedy the evil by increasing the very thing that caused the evil in the first place: legal plunder. -- Frederick Bastiat -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian in my Packard Bell
Abraham Tena wrote: All data sheet is here, http://support.packardbell.com/es/item/?sn=654100590239g=1400 I would like some help to install and configure debian, I would apretiate it a lot. Sorry, there seem to be official drivers (probably from the sf.net tree) on http://www.intel.com/support/notebook/sb/cs-006408.htm Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 See, when the GOVERNMENT spends money, it creates jobs; whereas when the money is left in the hands of TAXPAYERS, God only knows what they do with it. Bake it into pies, probably. Anything to avoid creating jobs. -- Dave Barry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian in my Packard Bell
Abraham Tena wrote: All data sheet is here, http://support.packardbell.com/es/item/?sn=654100590239g=1400 I would like some help to install and configure debian, I would apretiate it a lot. If you need modem, you will probably have to buy (like, for money -- not much, something around $20) driverloader from Linuxant.com (check it with scanModem tool http://132.68.73.235/linmodems/index.html#scanmodem ). I am not sure about wireless driver Intel Pro/3945ABG seems to be supported by driver from http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, but I am not sure if it is in Debian yet. Otherwise, you can be certainly poorly served by ndiswrapper (with Windows drivers). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary. -- William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Annoying iptables console logging
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: Since that didn't worked i KILLed both syslogd and klogd. I still kept getting msgs to console. they are not sent by syslog process. They are sent by kernel. Chmm, nazdar Matúši, I thought that k in sysklogd means, that sysklogd should manage kernel messages as well? And yes, I hate these messages as well. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Only two of my personalities are schizophrenic, but one of them is paranoid and the other one is out to get him. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: warnings from kbuildsycoca
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: My ~/.xsession-errors is full of warnings from kbuildsycoca Some of the warnings are pasted below. Is there any fix available? Just ignore them. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Give your heartache to him. (1Pt 5,7; Mt 11:28-30) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Annoying iptables console logging
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: those messages are printed by kernel to the current console(s). 'dmesg -n' configures messages of which level to print to the console(s). They all are still send to kmsg, where syslogd,syslog-ng or klogd read them from. Aside from installing syslog-ng how to configure dmesg so it doesn't display messages to console? From reading dmesg(8) it seems to me that it is just one-shot display program not configurable anywhere. I have probably missed something important ... :-( Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 A conclusion is simply the place where someone got tired of thinking. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimum to start NFS client
Todd A. Jacobs wrote: Portmap is running, but mountd isn't part of nfs-common, it's part of nfs-kernel-server. Since I only want to run the client, should I have to You don't need mountd on client computer. RTFM -- in this case NFS-HOWTO (from doc-linux-nonfree-* package). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 I know of no country in which there is so little independence of mind and real freedom of discussion as in America. -- Alexis de Tocqueville -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestion for offtopic-list
Andrei Popescu wrote: Why not simply create a debian-offtopic list? I don't see that much off-topic discussion here (IMHO, anything related to Debian user experience is on-topic here and that's pretty wide topic), but the problem of all off-topic lists is that people who don't care enough to not write off-topic posts, will not switch to off-topic list. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Our lives are spectacles of powerlessness. -- Richard Rohr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: diacritic characters not displayed in printed output
Andrius wrote: Is it really the right package to report the bug against? OK, then it would be dipping yet another bug report to the endless pool of OpenOffice.org bugs. :-) Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Thank you for sending me a copy of your book; I'll waste no time reading it. -- Moses Hadas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shared libraries
ChadDavis wrote: I see that there's some application specific subdirectories in those shared library locations. Should I make a subdirectory, such as /usr/lib/oracleInstnatClient/, and put the shared objects in there? And then just dump the executables into /usr/bin? For your own sanity, use /usr/local/lib (with or without subdirectory that's other question) and /usr/local/bin and /usr/lib and /usr/bin only for files installed from proper Debian packages. You won't regret. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: diacritic characters not displayed in printed output
jo vart wrote: Yes BitstreamVera was installed as the deb for etch ( ttf-bitstream-vera-1.10-7) Go and make reportbug happy! Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 The ratio of literacy to illiteracy is a constant, but nowadays the illiterates can read. -- Alberto Moravia -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: diacritic characters not displayed in printed output
jo vart wrote: Why would diacritic characters (like ä) show up perfectly well on screen but not in printed output. Not even after the document first being exported from oowriter to a pdf that looks as it should. What fonts do you use? When opening in acrobat/kpdf/evince what fonts are included in PDF (the information should be somewhere in File menu)? Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Do not long for the night, when people vanish in their place. Be careful, do not turn to evil; for you have preferred this to affliction. -- Job 36:20f (NASB) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: diacritic characters not displayed in printed output
jo vart wrote: Both acroread and evince report BitstreamVera Serif Roma, TrueType, embedded subset. And printing from both acroread and evince produces bad output? What happens when you try gs -sDEVICE=x11alpha filename.pdf Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Faithful love is what people look for in a person; ... -- Proverbs 19:22 (NJB) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: diacritic characters not displayed in printed output
jo vart wrote: dpkg -l | gsfonts returns: ii gsfonts 8.14+v8.11+urw-0.2 ii gsfonts-x11 0.20 Do you have installed package ttf-bitstream-vera or did you install Bitstream Vera fonts yourself? If you DO have it installed, then go and file a bug against that package -- it should work with gs. Hopefully maintainer of the package will know more. Can you send here verbatim output of the commands pdffonts filename.pdf and pdfinfo filename.pdf Thanks, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 A day without sunshine is like night. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wxWidgets versus gtkmm
Micha Feigin wrote: wxwidgets also has extensions for more then just widgets (networks, file system, etc.) and can work with opengl and there is a driver for plplot for doing plots. OK, this is getting over being just uninformed partisan to real FUD -- before commenting on Qt get some information on what you are talking about (like this http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/features and http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/indepth/modules or http://doc.trolltech.com/4.1/classes.html). Just QString is a reason why I think Qt is nice idea (I have no idea, whether wxwidgets have something similar). qt also needs to be preprocessed or something similar with the same result but a different name. http://blogs.qtdeveloper.net/archives/2005/12/22/qt-41-rocks/ Lastly, wxwidgets is freely available on many more platforms (AFAIK qt has a gpl licensed version for linux, and a windows version which has been problematic in terms of versions and availability for a long time, don't know if that has be solved. You need to pay for mac and embeded). wx is available lgpl for linux, windows, mac, palm and possibly others (don't remember now). Again, above mentioned Features page -- free (GPL) Qt is available for Windows, Mac, Linux (and many other Unices), and special version of Qt (Qtopia) is for embedded systems and mobile phones. Of course, if you want to make money on selling the software, then you should cough up some money (yes, $1,780 or $3,300 is not peanuts, but it is certainly not the biggest investment you will have to make for your company, and one I learn hard way is that you should not save on your tools). Best, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Roses are red; Violets are blue. I'm schizophrenic, And so am I. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LVM2 for root -- initramfs-tools -- etch HOWTO?
Hi, can anybody tell me some HOWTO for %subj%? It seems to me that Debian kernels per default initialize LVM only after INIT is run. Does the fact that I have some LVM2 volumes persuade update-initramfs to insert appropriate modules into initramfs? Thanks, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Our lives are spectacles of powerlessness. -- Richard Rohr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wxWidgets versus gtkmm
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: If you want the best cross platform library, then I would argue that it is wxWidgets. It has bindings for C++, Python, Java, Ruby and probably other languages as well. It has the advantage of supporting something like a dozen different GUI toolkits and you get the native widgets of the target system. It is also extremely well documented (at least the C++ interface is). There was no requirement that it has to be Gnome-based -- then I would humbly suggest Qt -- many many programmers claim that it is the most convenient development library period. And of course its support of C++ is excellent (of course, you can use also Java, Python, Ruby, JavaScript if you wish). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X -configure failed
Jude DaShiell wrote: When I did X -configure as root the X command appeared to terminate normally but still left me with an empty /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. wc just I am afraid that you hit one of the Debian-specific things here (I am learning for LPI exams and I just cannot wonder how difficult life is with other distributions -- Debian makes life so much more simple!). Don't bother with X -configure, Xconfigurator, etc. and just run what other suggested dexconf;dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 He inherited some good instincts from his Quaker forebears, but by diligent hard work, he overcame them. -- James Reston (about Richard Nixon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LVM2 for root -- initramfs-tools -- etch HOWTO?
CJ van den Berg wrote: initramfs-tools in etch has support for lvm built in. It should just work you don't have to do anything at all. You have to use the /dev/mapper/volgrp--logicalvolume path to the volume though. (as opposed to the /dev/volgrp/logicalvolume version) Then the initramfs script automatically kicks in and initializes lvm before mounting root. Wov! Thanks! I have monitor for that computer somewhere, but I would so not want to take it back ... :-) Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 My point was simply that such tax proposals [for Pigovian taxes compensating for the transaction costs] are the stuff that dreams are made of. In my youth it was said, that what was too silly to be said may be sung. In modern economics it may be put into mathematics. -- Ronald Coase Notes on the Problem of Social Cost -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: two version pythons in my system
Wei Hu wrote: my system has both pyton2.3 and python2.4. Is it safe to remove python2.3 using apt-get remove. Just mark in the aptitude as installed to satisfy dependencies (M key) and it will go automagically, when the last python package you use switch to 2.4. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 How many Bavarian Illuminati does it take to screw in a light bulb? Three: one to screw it in, and one to confuse the issue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: booting up the system
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: boot with a live cd like knoppix. you can then chroot into your debian environment and fix it up from there. There is lots of documentation in the web about this. try some googling. You can use even installation CD from Debian. Before you get into partition business, 1) switch to other console (Alt+F2) and there you get a root prompt no, in this moment /etc/fstab doesn't make any sense, because you are still just on the ramdisk which Installation CD creates (remember, we are even before partition of the hard drive, so there may be even Windows on the hard drive) 2) orient yourself in the partitions with fdisk -l /dev/hda 2) mount /dev/hda1 /mnt 3) chroot /mnt 4) grub-install Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 ..every Man has a Property in his own Person. This no Body has any Right to but himself. The Labour of his Body, and the Work of his Hands, we may say, are properly his. The great and chief end therefore, of Mens uniting into Commonwealths, and putting themselves under Government, is the Preservation of their Property. -- John Locke, A Treatise Concerning Civil Government -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wireless - where to start?
Tyler Smith wrote: Debian Etch, freshly installed and upgraded Linksys model no. WPC55AG notebook adapter card Toshiba Satellite 2410 laptop (I have to wait for my thinkpad...) What's the PCI ID for that particular card (hint -- lspci and lspci -n will tell you) -- the same cards are distributed under so many different names, that it is always better to use that then commercial name. So, for example I am fortunate/unfortunate owner of this (output of lspci): 02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirFrce One 54g] \ 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) when looking at lspci -n I see this: 02:03.0 0280: 14e4:4318 (rev 02) so that get PCI ID is 14e4:4318. If just look for this string on Google you will get probably much more hits than with the commercial names (answers will be more Linux-oriented -- people at Windows world usually don't get that deep to need to use PCI ID numbers). So for example, sixth hit on Yahoo! is super important big-humengous-List on ndiswrapper web site (http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List), which means that I have to use ndiswrapper (which is a shell which allows us to use on Linux drivers from Windows). And after long struggle with this card I know that although there is project http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ with drivers for some Broadcom cards in the vanilla kernel, I know that exactly mine BCM4318 is still not supported, so I have to stay with ndiswrapper. Does it make any sense? Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 I've just learned about his illness. Let's hope it's nothing trivial. -- Irvin S. Cobb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: chown
Kent West wrote: No; someone else mentioned it being in this package, but I was just curious about the info not being in man chown, so I don't need to go any further. (And, if it matters, I'm not the OP; I was just making comment/question and apparently got pegged as the OP somewhere along the thread.) Just to note, that manpage chown on Yahoo! Search works pretty well. http://node1.yo-linux.com/cgi-bin/man2html?cgi_command=chowncgi_section=2cgi_keyword=m Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 A fool-proof method for sculpting an elephant: first, get a huge block of marble; then you chip away everything that doesn't look like an elephant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Highlighting and annotating PDFs?
Thibaut Paumard wrote: However, in these two tests, the text is copy-and-pastable, as text. So the problem is not that the PDF is drawn as images. Actually, in the scribus PDF, I can search a few smaller substrings (like xt in my sample text test text). The problem is that original PDF supported only character set covering Western European languages. So to print my name (Matěj) in PDF (and DVI which is and will ever be limited to 8-bit) TeX used to write commands like print e and then print hook sign above it. Such constructs ARE NOT images, but they are not searchable either. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 The function of the expert is not to be more right than other people, but to be wrong for more sophisticated reasons. -- Dr. David Butler, British psephologist -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how can i run flv videos ? (metacafe)
Jabka Atu wrote: im trying to run flv video ( debian unstable). ffplay from ffmpeg package Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money. -- Alexis de Tocqueville -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Highlighting and annotating PDFs?
martin f krafft wrote: Run 'strings' on the PS it generates and you'll see that it prints images rather than text. I am not surprised, Firefox comes to us from Windows. They don't know how to deal with text over there. This is not fair -- to use W-word on poor Firefox. No, IMHO reasons are slightly more complicated than that. They use for printing on non-Windows, non-Mac (I am not sure about that) platforms Xprint http://xprint.mozdev.org/, which is basically X-server printing to Postscript instead of to the screen. I don't know if you CANNOT make it work correctly and avoid images in PDF, but it seems to me obvious that it has to be tempting to just go with the flow and print images. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 There are lies, damned lies, and quotes from literary icons. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Highlighting and annotating PDFs?
martin f krafft wrote: lapse:~ dpkg -l xpr\* | grep '^[[:lower:]]' #[318] un xprint none (no description available) Weird: Package: firefox Depends: fontconfig, psmisc, debianutils (= 1.16), libatk1.0-0 (= 1.9.0), libc6 (= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (= 1.0.2-2), libfontconfig1 (= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (= 2.2), libgcc1 (= 1:4.1.0), libglib2.0-0 (= 2.10.0), libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.8.0), libidl0, libjpeg62, libpango1.0-0 (= 1.12.1), libpng12-0 (= 1.2.8rel), libstdc++6 (= 4.1.0), libx11-6, libxcursor1 ( 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxft2 ( 2.1.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxp6, libxrandr2, libxrender1, libxt6, zlib1g (= 1:1.2.1) Suggests: firefox-gnome-support (= 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.4-1), latex-xft-fonts, xprint Conflicts: mozilla-firefox ( 1.5.dfsg-1) I believe it used to Depend on xprint, not it only suggests it. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Do not long for the night, when people vanish in their place. Be careful, do not turn to evil; for you have preferred this to affliction. -- Job 36:20f (NASB) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ogg Vorbis 2 for xine or mplayer?
Carl Fink wrote: I've got an AVI video here that has Ogg Vorbis audio (0x6770) which can't be played by any of totem, avifile-player, mplayer, or xine-ui. I would have thought that Free players would support a Free codec. install ffmpeg package (or you may have it already installed) and then play it with ffplay or you may even convert it to something else (mp3) with ffmpeg itself. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Anything essential is invisible to the eyes, the little prince repeated, in order to remember. It's the time you spent on your rose that makes your rose so important. It's the time I spent on my rose ..., the little prince repeated, in order to remember. People have forgotten this truth. the fox said. But you mustn't forget it. You become responsible forever for what you've tamed. You're responsible for your rose... I'm responsible for my rose..., the little prince repeated, in order to remember. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry: The Little Prince -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Patching a kernel source --verbose
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I use the symlinks /boot/vmlinuz, /boot/initrd.img, /boot/vmlinuz.old and /boot/initrd.img.old to point to my current and previous kernels. These are listed in my menu.lst. Whenever I update the kernel, if /sbin/update-grub is run, it helpfully replaces those with whatever it finds. Usually, /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-k7 and the like. That is not what I want :-) Though, there seems to be no easy way of getting it recognize that it should use the symlinks, so I have just disabled running update-grub on a kernel install or upgrade. Try to fiddle with /etc/kernel-img.conf and /etc/kernel-pkg.conf (both of which have their manpages), I think you can make it behave as you want. Matej -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 A day without sunshine is like night. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: convert rm files to wav files
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: How can I convert a .rm (RealMedia) file to a .wav file so that I curn burn it in an audio CD? Using Etch/testing. First note about breaking of copyrights (yes, if you are in US, this would break the law) and then the method I use for such purposes (and when I am sure, it is legally OK) is to play it with any xine-based player (kaffeine, amarok, whatever) and set xine's output to file. You will get ~/xine-out.wav as a result. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 According to the Franciscan priest Richard Rohr, spirituality is not for people who are trying to avoid hell; it is for people who have been through hell. In many ways, spirituality is about what we do with our pain. And the truth is, if we don't transform it, we will transmit it. -- Al Gustafson (quoted at http://thecorner.typepad.com/bc/2004/04/transform_not_t.html) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: convert rm files to wav files
John Hasler wrote: It is not at all clear that what he proposes would be illegal in the US. Look up the Audio Home Recording Act. I stand corrected then. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Ludwig Boltzmann, who spent much of his life studying statistical mechanics, died in 1906, by his own hand. Paul Ehrenfest, carrying on the work, died similarly in 1933. Now it is our turn to study statistical mechanics. -- David L. Goodstein States of Matter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord wihout SUID
José Alburquerque wrote: Does anyone know a way for regular users to use cdrecord for CD writing/blanking without the need for it to setuid? Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! I think you need to have at leas this: chelcicky:~$ ll `which cdrecord` -rwsr-xr-- 1 root cdrom 133 2006-01-07 13:43 /usr/bin/cdrecord chelcicky:~$ Which makes cdrecord at least limited just to members of cdrom group (and root). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Economics is the only discipline where two people can win a Nobel Prize for saying exactly the opposite thing! -- Eamonn Butler of Adam Smith Institute on Nobel Prize awards for year 2001 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Xv -- unusable colors with Xv/auto driver i915GM
Hi, when playing any video with kaffeine 0.8.1 (KDE 3.5.3, Xorg 7.0.22, xserver-xorg-video-i810 1.5.1.0-2, Debian/testing) with i915GM video card (Dell Inspiron 2200), I have totally sc.ewed up colors with Xv driver (or auto, which probably uses the same) -- it looks like scientific images with artificial colors -- most of the colors are blue. Decoding is apparently OK (it doesn't matter what kind of video file or DVD I try to play), and the problem is probably in Xv driver (ffplay does the same). Does anybody have explanation/workaround how to fix Xv on this card (aside from using unusably slow Xshm driver; trying OpenGL driver, which seem to work well, but it seems be slightly slow -- moreover I cannot persuade ffplay to use OpenGL display)? Best, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 But if we find we have left our bones to bleach in these desert sands for nothing, beware the fury of the legions... -- Centurion in a letter home from North Africa 3rd Century -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: remove/replace non-ascii characters from file
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: I tried $ grep -v Comment but that just returns Binary file darkaa2.dat matches Would grep -a -v Comment help? grep(1) is your friend. :-) Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Roses are red; Violets are blue. I'm schizophrenic, And so am I. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Do I need to upgrade my kernel (kernel-image-2.4-k6)?
First read http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=netiquette#offlist Now `apt-cache policy kernel-image-2.4.27-3-k6' shows that 2.4.27-10sarge3is installed and `apt-cache policy kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6' shows that 2.4.27-10sarge1 is installed. Can you post full output of these commands, please? I therefore assume that it is possible to install the 3 version and get rid of the 2 version. Yes. Best, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 I would like to die sleeping, like my father rather than screaming and helpless, like his passengers
Re: Really stupid mutt question
Kevin Coyner wrote: There are plenty of great email clients out there. But I like mutt because: Yes, there are -- and just not to let this thread be just mutt propaganda, let me comment as a KMail user (who used mutt for many years, so I know what I am talking about): 1. It is infinitely configurable. KMail may not be inifinetly configurable, but I was able to replicate my pretty complicated mutt settings with it, and the result is much more maintainable (because some brutal hacks -- like pre-processing messages with procmail -- could be isolated to just few places, and the rest is obvious). 2. I don't have to use a mouse. I can keep my hands on the keyboard the entire time. The same. 3. It is easy to use via ssh, which I do all the time. And while you can use a GUI based email client remotely, the further away you get from the server, the slower things become. Not really a problem using ssh/mutt. OK, I would have to do ssh -X and the result wouldn't be the same, so this is a point against mutt. But I can love without it pretty happily. 4. It handles news groups just fine with threads. The same. There are pluses and minuses for all the email clients out there, whether GUI or CLI. It really comes down to what you are comfortable with. Amen. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 He has the attention span of a lightning bolt. -- Robert Redford -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Kernel 2.6.17 without /boot/initrd.img-***?
Alex Yakushev wrote: I experienced some difficulties to run new kernel 2.6.17. If I comment initrd.img-2.6.17 line in my /boot/grub/menu.lst, and start to restart OS, I got Kernel panic error. Is this possible to start kernel without initrd.img-2.6.17? Not this kernel -- ext2fs and ext3fs drivers are not in the kernel itself, but modularized. What you need is to regenrate initramfs (update-initramfs(1) is your friend). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to post bug via mail ?
Jabka Atu wrote: im not runnig any mta (couse i don't know how to configure it). so i can't use the biult in bug reporting tool. where can i post via web or mail new bugs ? Take a look at reportbug(1) -- parameters smtphost, and if necessary smtpuser and smtppasswd. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 A conclusion is simply the place where someone got tired of thinking. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Do I need to upgrade my kernel (kernel-image-2.4-k6)?
Robert S wrote: I am running debian with kernel 2.4.27. I see that the kernel-source package is listed in the security vulnerabilities (DSA-1097). I do a weekly apt-get update apt-get upgrade but have not been prompted to upgrade my kernel. I am using kernel-image-2.4-k6. Do I need to upgrade my kernel image and if so, what is the correct way of doing this? Do you use stable or testing? If you take a look at http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1097 you can see that you need at least 2.4.27-10sarge3 for IA-32 architecture. When you run apt-cache policy kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6 you should get something like this (not exactly, because I have here testing): kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.4.27-12 Version table: 2.4.27-12 0 300 http://debian.lcs.mit.edu unstable/main Packages 700 http://debian.lcs.mit.edu testing/main Packages 2.4.27-10sarge1 0 500 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Packages Which means that if you have stable and security updates configured properly, then you should have 2.4.27-10sarge1 . Chmmm, so there is apparently some problem with that system. Nevertheless, security report itself mentions source of the patched kernel as (on one line): http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.27-i386\ /kernel-image-2.4.27-3-k6_2.4.27-10sarge3_i386.deb If you download this package (with wget or curl -O prepended to URL) you can install it (as a root) with dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4.27-3-k6_2.4.27-10sarge3_i386.deb I am Cc:-ing this to the security team and hopefully we'll get some reaction from them about apparently broken apt-get lists. Best, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 That distinction is reflected in the apocryphal remark made by a French diplomat to his British counterpart: This is all very well in practice, but will it work in theory?. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
Jon Dowland wrote: Please note that you are advised to *not do this*, but to *always* read the release notes for the relevant you certainly noticed that I had there aptitude upgrade (not dist-upgrade), right? architecture you are updating to (as per Joey's post). For example, woody - sarge required a careful, manual update of aptitude prior to doing the dist-upgrade. And aptitude clearly indicated that it is broken, so you would know what's going on. P.S.: additionally, use a mirror close to you[1] rather than plumping for ftp.au.debian.org. Hmm,... correct, I stand corrected. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Just remember, brothers and sisters--their skins may be white, but their souls are just as black as ours! -- a black preacher -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Do I need to upgrade my kernel (kernel-image-2.4-k6)?
Robert S wrote: *** 2.4.27-10sarge1 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status I assume I still have the old version. Yes, you have. Is this likely to break any dependencies? Usually kernel is actually pretty easy to upgrade -- after everything depends on it, rather then other way around. And moreover, this package was after all created by Debian security team. I don't think I have any patches installed No, according to the above shown output of apt-cache you have just plain Debian kernel. Maybe the patched kernel needs to be installed manually to prevent systems with automatic updating from installing a new kernel without user intervention?? I think some distros do this. It shouldn't -- Debian is able to upgrade kernel without problems. No idea, what it doesn't work. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Why should I travel, when I'm already there? -- Bostonian lady, when being asked why she never visited other places than Boston -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla or firefox package-what is the difference?
Marc Shapiro wrote: Actually, I use fvwm2. I see ... you are one of those ... ;-) Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Home is where ~/.bashrc is. -- from Usenet -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound specialists,help appreciated.
Anthony Renaud wrote: 3.1 PPC).When I open Audacity,I receive the following warning: There was an error initializing the Audio I/O layer.You will not be able to record or play any sound.. Just to be eliminate one simple and obvious potential source of problems -- aren't you by a chance using KDE? The problem then would be that KDE's arts sound daemon occupies all sound resources. You have to go to Control Center/Sound Multimedia/Sound System/General and check Auto-suspend checkbox. Matej -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realise that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events. -- Winston Churchill, 1930 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alsalib
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: This should works for any program using OSS (this covers most unfriendly ones, like Mozilla plugin, OpenOffice or vmware, ...), or ALSA in emulation mode (for native mode, alsalib is our friend :-). Meaning that solution provided by native ALSA is better than the one provided when ALSA is emulating OSS (i.e., application accesses /dev/dsp device, which is OSS port for sound). ALSA is rather complex beast consisting of kernel modules (default sound in 2.6.* kernels) and number of user-space packages; to get their list run: dpkg -l \*alsa\* | grep -v player What I understand from the message (and I have no idea, about the context) is that you should forget about OSS and ALSA-emulating-OSS, but rather use ALSA natively (which is what I would suggest anyway). Best, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 A day without sunshine is like night. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla or firefox package-what is the difference?
Marc Shapiro wrote: I am working on removing the last vestiges of KDE from my box, which will eliminate Konqueror, as well. Just curious (really -- no flame intended), why do you switch from KDE and where (Gnome?)? Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 If in desperation, read the documentation! -- Brian D. Ripley, on R-help list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync, ssh, scp: How to send via eth1 or higher ?
Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: is there any way, to send files over a device greater than eth0 ? If eth0 is online, ssh, scp and rsync always wants to send over eth0. In the manpages I found no way to change it. This really doesn't make a sense -- you have to fix your routing tables rather than trying to fiddle with individual programs. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 America is the only country that has gone from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -- Oscar Wilde -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More strange dependencies: vlc
Chuckk Hubbard wrote: === vlc: Depends: aalib1 (= 1.2) Other question comes to mind -- I mean, really. Does anybody use aalib1 (BTW, it should be libaa1) for anything? I knew the original author of aalib, but I always understood that it is more fun than something serious -- to make it mandatory dependency so that everybody has to have it installed? The same problem is with mplayer, which is dependent on libaa1 as well. Best, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 He is a self-made man and worships his creator. -- John Bright -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Network static howto
Steve Kemp wrote: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 gateway 192.168.1.1 IIRC, netmask and broadcast are not needed when default -- ifup guesses them from C type IP address. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. -- Douglas Adams -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installation problems
Stephen Cormier wrote: You can use apt-cache search linux-image smp without the quotes and it should show you the available smp kernels to install I'm sure there is a way to search this using aptitude but I never have used it. Once you find aptitude search 'linux-image smp' a suitable one then aptitude install linux-image--smp would install it from the command line using aptitude then of course reboot and choose the newly installed kernel from the list presented by Grub/LILO depending on which you are using. BTW which image did you use to install a 32 bit or 64 bit one or does your chip(s) support 64bits. If you want to use version which is not available in binary form in debian, then you can install linux-source package (again -- aptitude search linux-source to see what's available). That will dump you patched tarball of linux sources into /usr/src. Install kernel-package and you will find more instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. Briefly it means: 1) Install all required packages (you will find a list in that README, yes, you want initramfs for kernels newer than 2.6.16, and yes you want fakeroot). 2) and then (as normal user) cd /usr/src tar xvjf linux-2.6.17.tar.bz2 # or however the tarball is called cd linux-2.6.17 cp /boot/config-`uname -r` ./.config # to get your current configuration make menuconfig # to change configuration -- or just let it be for now make-kpkg --revision custom.1 --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel-image cd .. ls linux-image*.deb # that's your new shiny package of Linux kernel su -c 'dpkg -i linux-image*.deb' # to install it Does it work? Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 We can tell our level of faith in what God wants to do for us by our level of enthusiasm for what we want God to do for other. -- Dave Schmelzer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email programs that work.
djhack wrote: Kmail - Configured it, and got test messages in and out then it started to complain the POP3 was broken. Never got any messages from the list. Could not get it going again. This is not good attitude -- try to find out what's the problem and make it work. We can help you with it, but just trying all available email programs doesn't bring you a good karma. KMail works well, so there has to be some problem with your configuration (or with your server). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 There's nothing wrong with you that reincarnation won't cure. -- Jack F. Leonard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Step-by-step package guide?
Paul Johnson wrote: I already looked there first. The Packaging section is three sentences long and basically shoos you off to the dh_make(8) manpage. You haven't looked long enough http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html is quite big document. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know. -- Abraham Lincoln -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Step-by-step package guide?
Paul Johnson wrote: I've looked through the Debian reference as mentioned elsethread and discovered dh-make, but I'm having some difficulty understanding how dh_make works from the dh_make manpage. Is there any step-by-step guide to doing this? Unpack the original tarball. Then if you are creating single binary package do this dh_make -f ../original-tarball.tar.gz -e your-email \ -c [gpl|bsd|artistic|lgpl] -s What's so difficult? matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 We can tell our level of faith in what God wants to do for us by our level of enthusiasm for what we want God to do for other. -- Dave Schmelzer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pine
Anton Piatek wrote: Anyone know if pine is in debian? I can't find it... If you know where it is, let me know! It is not. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-software.en.html#s-pine Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Goodbye, said the fox. And now here is my secret, a very simple secret: It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing from Acrobat
Carl Fink wrote: Should I file a wishlist bug, requesting that xpdf suggest msttcorefonts, given that PDF creators including the US government assume everyone uses Windows and has Arial? No, you should read xpdf(5) (that's not xpdf(1)). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. -- Barry Goldwater (actually written by Karl Hess) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Step-by-step package guide?
Magnus Therning wrote: If you want to package software for Debian then the maintainer's guide is required reading (IMNSHO). Read the whole thing, then package something, then read it again :-) Then run it through lintian and linda and you have couple of hours of good works ahead of you ;-). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 He is a self-made man and worships his creator. -- John Bright -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
Felix Karpfen wrote: This posting is an advance-request to include update from Debian 3.1 instructions in the proposed release of Debian 4.0. If existing documentation applies, a relevant URL would suffice. Just stick this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free and keep running aptitude update; aptitude upgrade from time to time -- when etch will be pronounced stable, you will get your system upgraded automagically. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it. -- Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients
Paul Johnson wrote: Kopete won't let you do service discovery, Not true with 0.12. GAIM's just plain annoying (why does it open new windows for what should be an ignored line in STDERR?) and doesn't have service discovery I said politely that it is not that strict about Jabber standards ;-) If you want Jabber, get a real Jabber client, use the transports to deal with the obsolete networks instead. Two problems: a) embedding into KDE (connections with KAddressBook, KMail, etc.) -- I can understand that somebody dislikes kopete just because of that, but not me. Cool 100% Jabber KDE client would be nice, but there isn't such thing (yes, I know about psi). b) IRC over Jabber (irc.netlab.cz among many others) kind of stinks -- you can use it if necessary, but even kopete client is much better than that. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it. -- Groucho Marx -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch installer on dialup line?
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: D-i keeps looking for a network presence. Has anybody installed on a dialup line? Do you need really real Debian? This https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ may be interesting alternative if you can survive with (Ku|U)buntu. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 To err is human, to purr feline. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients
Paul Johnson wrote: That's odd, Debian's 3.5.3 version of Kopete still doesn't do it. 0.12 3.5.3... I said, that it has not been packaged for Debian yet. (3.5.3 is version of KDE, not Kopete which is there in version 0.10). I don't have a problem with it taking advantage of kparts, it's something I wish psi did. And yes, before I switched to kopete 0.12 (0.10 was with Jabber really unusable) I was using psi. I'm just saying the client-side approach to multi-protocol support is ass-backwards in general and usually results in a client that whose support of half a dozen clients is the world's least funny joke, I don't use any other client than Jabber and IRC (all legacy IM systems are through transports). Multi-protocol clients violate the do one thing and do it well design principal. ^ principle However, I think that this partially a matter of definition. What is the client? If you look at a client as library which provides translation from one particular protocol to the shared user interface, then kopete/Jabber client is getting pretty good, and that kopete/shared interface was pretty good for some time already. Of course, it cannot be just one way street (shared user interface must accommodate different functions of different protocols), but it seems to me that it is not impossible to create decent multi-protocol IM program (and, no, I agree with you, gaim is not the one). But this would be a long discussion. Try to thing about kopete as a collection of individual clients using shared user interface, and things are then quite different. b) IRC over Jabber (irc.netlab.cz among many others) kind of stinks -- you can use it if necessary, but even kopete client is much better than that. Quantify please. I use the IRC transport on a daily basis without issue. 1) OK, when entering IRC over true IRC client, I don't get 49 messages about status of individual participants in the discussion (that's the current situation at [EMAIL PROTECTED]). 2) Things like /join #debian work. 3) I can have automatic commands (/msg Nickserv identify ###) on connection. 4) I can add participants to my roster and check their status I am not saying that principally it is not possible to do this with IRC-transport, but I haven't seen it done yet. For me IRC native client in kopete Just Works(TM), IRC-transport is useable, but not pleasant. Best, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 A fool-proof method for sculpting an elephant: first, get a huge block of marble; then you chip away everything that doesn't look like an elephant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JFS stability [Was: Re: If you are running XFS and a 2.6.17(.x) kernel...]
CJ van den Berg wrote: This bug has caused serious data loss on my systems and no end of headaches in the last two weeks. I really hope the fix goes into a debian kernel soon to save others the pain. Just curious -- this is not the first report about crash and loss of data I heard about XFS. Is JFS similarly unstable? Why it seems to be so little used (or there is nobody complaining about that, because it just works :-))? Best, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 [...] an old man recently told me Son, I've learned something new every day of my life, and I'm getting damn tired of it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients
Paul Johnson wrote: Hmm, what's the deal with the kopete package version being radically wrong then? kopete is still just part of kdenetwork package, except that now they decided that they want to make swifter development cycle than KDE itself so they declared independence. Except that KDE-Qt Debian team is overloaded and packaging kopete is not exactly piece of cake, so there is no available package yet. How long have multiple-IM clients been around now? 6 or 8 years? Even I think that kopete is actually quite younger -- they begun to work on it somewhere in KDE 3.* cycle. That makes the situation that much sadder, really. Why? That would be a client issue, the network isn't sending those messages. Case in point, Psi 0.10 doesn't tell you when others join or leave chatgroups and IRC channels, Psi 0.11 does unless you've just joined, then it waits until the list stops filling up before it starts giving chat status inline. I talked about that with some devs on jdev MUC, and the conclusion was that you would need to make substantial changes to mod_irc and no-one is willing to do that--Erlang and all that stuff. Client issue, I can join #debian no problem, though with a little lag until Psi finishes adding all users in the chat to the participants frame. Can you write /join #debian in one IRC channel so that new tab with other channel would open? That's what I meant. 4) I can add participants to my roster and check their status OK, these could be worked out better, I agree, and this would be a server side problem. I would like to see ejabberd's mod_irc allow you to register with it so it'll identify for you, and pass people's status back a-la the other transports to obsolete protocols. Which unfortunately leads back to mod_irc and Erlang. OTOH, IRC is starting to take the same hit the other obsolete networks are, so I'm not sure this will even be an issue in five years... What do you mean? Thanks for reply, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it. -- Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on i486
Leonid Grinberg wrote: I am hopefully going to recieve an old i486 machine, and for kicks, I thought that it would be nice to install Debian. Does anyone know how I would go about doing this, as well as how much success I should expect to get? Obviously, Debian no longer supports i486, but perhaps there is a way? I would prefer to run Testing, but considering the cirumstances, I may have to settle for something else. Install some older distribution from http://archive.debian.org/ and then you can recompile for your computer. Matej -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Of course I'm respectable. I'm old. Politicians, ugly buildings, and whores all get respectable if they last long enough. --John Huston in Chinatown. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
