Ubuntu break-in (was: Please don't cause unneeded traffic for TOR)
On 07/23/2013 04:27 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Don't have accounts on sites of the Linux community ;), take a look at my signature! Attention! Attackers have gotten every user's local username, password, and email address from the Ubuntu Forums database. http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html Ummm, no. They got everyone's salted, hashed password. A _very_ different thing, especially if you use long, imaginative passwords. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51f00061.7070...@hyre.net
Re: How to consistently install a set of packages?
Dear David: On 06/06/2013 07:05 AM, Kailash wrote: I did some searching re UIDs and GIDs, and it appears that the adduser.conf file can be used to manage this behavior. [...] So, perhaps all you need is a common script that does it for you. Please do refer to the policy manual re the allocation policy for Debian. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 I believe Kailash has given you the answer; the referenced policy manual says: Begin extract 100-999: Dynamically allocated system users and groups. Packages which need a user or group, but can have this user or group allocated dynamically and differently on each system, should use adduser --system to create the group and/or user. ***adduser will check for the existence of the user or group, and if necessary choose an unused id based on the ranges specified in adduser.conf.*** End extract -- [emphasis added :-)] This sounds like exactly what you want. Set up your initial system, copy passwd, shadow, group, gshadow (you probably want to use tar to simplify keeping owner group correct), and install them on each of the other systems. Then do your installs there, and don't worry about order, because ``adduser will check for the existence of the user or group'', and use the values already set up on the system. Thanks for raising this point, as I keep multiple user accounts for various activities (general, business, running a charity, ...), and have been editing the four files by hand to make them match across OS installations. As Bill Nye doesn't say, ``Nooow I Know!'' -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51b091de.60...@hyre.net
Re: [OT?] Free Software petition on WhiteHouse.gov
On 12/26/2012 09:03 AM, John Hasler wrote: Max Hyre writes: Too bad signing requires registration with personal info. Personal info? Email, name, and zip code? You're being silly. Minor attribution note: It's Worrier Poet who worries about ID. I have no problem with it because, as someone mentioned earlier, it _is_ a signature (of sorts) on a petition to the gov't. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50dc8b08.2030...@hyre.net
[OT?] Free Software petition on WhiteHouse.gov
Dear Debianists: The U.S. president's website has a petition to support the use of Free Software in schools. It might be a good idea for us USAians to sign it: http://wh.gov/Rz6C -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50d9436f.7080...@hyre.net
Re: Some KDE apps depend on kdebase-runtime, which is transitional
On 03/30/2012 10:46 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: [...] I suggest you get in contact with the Debian Qt/KDE team on IRC or their mailing list. Or on debian-kde mailinglist that I added to Cc. OK, I'll ask there. KDE 4.7.4 SC just transitioned to Wheezy. [] It might just be that the Qt/KDE team is aware of the situation and it will take some more time to fix all those packages. For some reason, it didn't occur to me that this might be a transitory state. I am following unstable, after all. In the meanwhile just don´t remove that package ;). Yeah, that's what I figured. :-) -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f762a07.3080...@hyre.net
Re: Some KDE apps depend on kdebase-runtime, which is transitional
On 03/30/2012 10:26 AM, Camaleón wrote: [] Can you post/upload the exact command you used (how did you manage to remove tha package) [] I was using synaptic. I marked kdebase-runtime for ``complete removal'' (purging), and was presented with the list of packages see my earlier e-mail) to be removed as a result. I just repeated it, and now, instead of thirteen packages, it wants to ditch 27 (list available on request :-). I presume the difference is that I dist-upgraded in between---I'm following unstable. After a bit of poking around, I decided that the better part of valor was to not remove it. :-) I would open agaisnt the transitional package kdebase-runtime. Ah, that makes the most sense to me, thanks. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f762cec.8050...@hyre.net
Some KDE apps depend on kdebase-runtime, which is transitional
Dear Debian: I tried to remove the transitional package kdebase-runtime, and got a shock when it proposed removing a number of packages, some important [1]. I checked the bugs for a few of them, and no report has been filed. I should do so, but really don't look forward to doing the same report thirteen times. Can I just file them against the kde package, or is there some straightforward way to file one report against multiple packages, or do I just plan to spend some quality time with cut paste? -- Best wishes, Max Hyre [1] This may not be complete: it's just those in my /var/lib/dpkg/available file, which does not contain all packages. Package: knotes Package: polkit-kde-1 Package: libsmokekdeui4-3 Package: kaddressbook Package: kmail Package: korganizer Package: akregator Package: libsmokekdecore4-3 Package: hplip-gui Package: kdepim-runtime Package: kdebase-workspace-bin Package: k3b Package: hannah-foo2zjs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f750456.3040...@hyre.net
[Resolved] Kshisen Kapman taking at least 5 seconds for each move
On 03/05/2012 05:36 PM, Max Hyre wrote: It's not just Kshisen (my version is showing the same behavior). Kapman pauses for perhaps five seconds at every significant event It's a problem with Phonon: see bug # 289473. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289473 Turn off sound effects and everything's snappy again. Works for me in both Kshisen and Kapman. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f73d3f7.3010...@hyre.net
Re: Kshisen Kapman taking at least 5 seconds for each move
Dear Debian: On 03/02/12 11:42, Sian Mountbatten wrote: when I play kshisen, I have to wait at least 5 seconds for the game to remove a pair of tiles. It's not just Kshisen (my version is showing the same behavior). Kapman pauses for perhaps five seconds at every significant event (eating a power pill, chomping a ghost), and some not so significant (starting to eat dots after a stretch of clear corridor). They started misbehaving at the same time, about ten days ago. I'm following unstable, and dist-upgrade every night. When I boot into my stable installation (2.6.32) all is well. Given the lack of response to this thread, I wonder whether it's just me and thee... -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f554000.5040...@hyre.net
bzr-hg gone missing from unstable?
Dear Debian: Starting to play with Bazaar, I figured I'd practice on a Mercurial repository I have lying around. My box follows unstable, and when I did ``apt-get install bzr-hg'' I was told E: Unable to locate package bzr-hg But it's right there: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bzr-hgsearchon=namessuite=allsection=main squeeze (bzr299) and experimental (bzr545) packages are present, though. bzr-hg's bug list has nothing relevant, and I could find no mention of the lack in the last couple of months of debian-user, so here it is: where'd it go, and should it come back? -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f4feefb.5050...@hyre.net
Re: bzr-hg gone missing from unstable?
On 03/01/12 17:18, Brian wrote: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bzr-hg.html Thanks. It's obvious I didn't read the bug reports closely enough. I saw that http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=659888 was resolved, and didn't look inside to see that the resolution was removal. :-/ -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f5039ab.2030...@hyre.net
Re: Debian is losing its users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Wei Chen: May I remind you of some wisdom from /.'s poll results page: This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane. Best wishes, Max Hyre -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH6s3LinmU7xweXmkRAqMPAJ9v54D5Nr7k377XS72c90XN8KbCQwCfTR8Z rV//UuSeybhubiYdvk9NQD4= =EkSn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to set thunderbird to work with localmail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Marsh wrote: Unfortunately, state-of-the-art biff technology seems to elude the TB team, and they've determined that automatically finding new messages is a problem beyond their abilities. That's odd. I get Icedove notifications all the time, and I didn't do anything special that I know of. I'm running raw unstable (Linux elmore 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP) with Thunderbird version 2.0.0.9 (20080110), and Gnome Version: 2.22.0. Best wishes, Max Hyre -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH5k1UinmU7xweXmkRAqBGAKDC1tQzH0Fum4/uJm2JPq0CSqX/YwCcC9TN //Lao4XRbGAAVyGCvg2QPyU= =PkQ+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to set thunderbird to work with localmail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Marsh wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Max Hyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's odd. I get Icedove notifications all the time, For movemail accounts? If so, that's new, and I'll have to dig through my preferences. For several years the TB developers have been saying that they have no intentions of making notifications work for movemail, since they don't think anyone uses it except for a few dinosaurs who should switch to IMAP or POP mail, anyway. My bad. From the context, I thought the problem applied to all access types. I'm using IMAP. Sorry 'bout that. Best wishes, Max Hyre -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH5niVinmU7xweXmkRAi0IAKDP5ynmNTElN8f35T2bWnJrcXu6xACgy7QR 07snX1I9w96oyiAbxMvW47s= =NOYE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Updated Debian Journalling Filesystems CDs!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Spammers, Thank you very much for your belief in our products. We would like to express our gratitude for your supports in last years. We updated installations of year 2007 for Etch, with no change in price. We also updated some more journaling filesystems in Lenny. We hope you will continue to support our products. Please visit our website for more information: http://www.debian.org/ Regards, The Debian Project -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH4AK2inmU7xweXmkRAkg7AKCihe7Bx0apyV5CxLikhQxL0SCLtwCgu4hS gHsGuIhDJ9jg2WS5wX8W4JI= =yYPl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to insure a US/Canada ip for programs ?
Jabka Atu wrote: the problem arised since this game denies user from outside the US or Canada. Anonymizer (http://www.anonymizer.com/) might do the trick, if you're willing to pay for the appropriate level of service. Their contact address page (http://www.anonymizer.com/consumer/support/) lists a US phone number, and their FAQ (http://www.anonymizer.com/company/about/anonymizer-faq.html#q20) says they maintain ``a large pool of IP addresses'', so I suspect you could sign up with them, so long as they pass on the protocol you need. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre Well governments do suck. But they're better than anarchy. Even in the worst possible case they at least give one a good idea of who to be shooting at. -- tjc, in http://lwn.net/Articles/219415/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where do you put your swap partition?
(Sorry to be late to the show.) All my systems run from a single disk drive. I put the swap partition as close to the middle of the disk on the theory that that'll minimize seek time for a function I want to run as quickly as possible. Is this reasonable? -- Best wishes, Max Hyre Being an adult is harder than it looks. -- a sixteen-year-old, personal communication -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]
David Brodbeck wrote: I remember when Intel started shipping processors with unique ID numbers. There was much weeping and gnashing of teeth as open-source proponents and privacy advocates declared that this would lead to the end of civilization as we know it. Yup, remember being twitchy about that. In reality, it was a huge non-event; no software I know of uses it, So nobody uses it, and every system I've ever seen has shipped with the processor ID disabled. you've got to turn it on to use it, Even companies that make corporate software, who tend to be more into copy protection than most, seem to have mostly ignored it and it's ignored. It was a non-event because said weeping and gnashing led to it being unused, _not_ because its uses would be benign. It's my pleasure to have helped prevent you from finding out just how bad those uses could be. :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No volume in my Etch box!
Rodolfo Medina wrote: . When I right-click, the following message appears: --- Failed to start Volume Control: Failed to execute child process gnome-volume-control (No such file or directory) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S gnome-volume-control [...] gnome-media: /usr/bin/gnome-volume-control [...] Does /usr/bin/gnome-volume-control exist? If not, check whether the gnome-media package is installed (I expect it should have been sucked in with the whole Gnome conglomerate). If it isn't, either install ork reinstall it (apt-get install --reinstall gnome-media). If so, there may be a problem with the PATH setting, or some other part of the how-to-find-an-executable process. I can't help you there, but ry reinstalling gnome-media on GP. It can't hurt... -- Best wishes, Max Hyre Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is an absurd one. -- Voltaire -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to create an image of HD?
Amit Uttamchandani wrote: If you are planning on having the same partition size for your root partition, then you can simply use dd to clone the entire parition. Actually, the dd method will work even if you want to have a larger partition on your new drive. Couldn't you simply dd the entire drive (dd if=/dev/hda of=hdb), then use parted to enlarge and adjust things to fit the new size? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
David Brodbeck wrote: Yeah, but for $40 they take the thing apart and clean it before they sell it to you. That might just be worth every penny, given how disgusting those things get. I hope the guy who cleans them gets extra danger pay for the biohazard he's exposed to. ;) I read some time (years) ago that you could send them through the dishwasher. I never got up the nerve to try that, but I sluiced one out in the sink (and I mean thoroughly), and after a couple of days drying out it worked fine. The keys no longer stuck, and I didn't have to look at the cruft in the crevices. (Said cruft probably had something to do with my habit of eating lunch at my desk. :-) Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mounting usb hard disk
Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: After the ext3 partition is mounted, try changing the ownership of the files and directories to yourself (as root, of course) # chown username -R /media/onetouch2 didactic As opposed DOS (VFAT), ext3 is a real filesystem, with real owners and permissions. When it's mounted, whether by root or, courtesy of fstab, by a user, its files have those real owners and permissions, not those of the mounter. This is the same as when a standard HD filesystem is mounted. That's why, per Raj Kiran Grandhi, the fix is to change the owners on the USB disk. It's just as if root had created a bunch of files on your hard drive that you, a normal user, want to have control of. Keep in mind that if you want other users to be able to work with these files too, you'll need to set a group you have in common with those users. (Or put o=rwx permission on the files, a bad idea in my opinion.) /didactic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: udev and automounting
Andrei Popescu wrote: The package usbmount might be what you need. The description of usbmount says: This package automatically mounts USB mass storage devices (typically USB pens) when they are plugged in, and unmounts them when they are removed. Does this limit filesystems to FAT? FAT doesn't care if you rip it out without doing any cleanup. If you've formatted your thumbdrive as an ext2 filesystem, how can it be properly unmounted if you simply unplug it? Won't that mean you have to run fsck every time you plug it in again? Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spring clean
2007/9/29, andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can someone recommend a newbie-friendly easy, and safe way of cleaning house so that I can retain those packages that I need (and want) but can clear out the dust bunnies, etc..? A cleanup I like is `localepurge', which is newbie-friendly and easy: Description: Automagically remove unnecessary locale data After an installation it's pleasant to see the comment telling me how much space it saved. I suspect the total for me is somewhere in the high hundreds of megs, since I ditch everything but English. _But_! As for `safe', attend to the further paragraphs in the description, which include such gems as Please note, that this tool is a hack [...] and therefore is not for the faint of heart. [] Responsibility for its usage and possible breakage of your system therefore lies in the sysadmin's (your) hands. and If you don't know what you are doing [...] please simply don't use this package. Nonetheless, I installed it and it's worked nicely for over a year, with no breakage. (I've been following unstable all the while.) Best wishes Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: udev and automounting
Andrei Popescu wrote: You could also run 'sync;umount /dev/sda1' before unplugging, just to be sure. Umm, OK. But that sort of obviates the point of usbmount. I guess I'll just continue to umount by hand. Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spring clean
Pál Csányi wrote: 2007/9/29, andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can someone recommend a newbie-friendly easy, and safe way of cleaning house so that I can retain those packages that I need (and want) but can clear out the dust bunnies, etc..? If you use aptitude, or synaptic then you must to manually select there packages you want to purge. After you have purged those packages, you should to purge orphaned packages, I think. For this you may to use 'sudo aptitude purge $(deborphan)' command. For the inverse operation (select what you want to keep, discard everything they don't depend on) check out `debfoster'. The first time you run it, it asks about roughly every package you've got installed, which is rather tedious. Thereafter, it uses that info to weed out stuff you don't want. I suspect that `want' != `need', so ill-advised choices may hose your system. Best wishes, Max Hyre Description: Install only wanted Debian packages debfoster is a wrapper program for apt and dpkg. When first run, it will ask you which of the installed packages you want to keep installed. . After that, it maintains a list of packages that you want to have installed on your system. It uses this list to detect packages that have been installed only because other packages depended on them. If one of these dependencies changes, debfoster will take notice, and ask if you want to remove the old package. . This helps you to maintain a clean Debian install, without old (mainly library) packages lying around that aren't used any more. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
emacs can't find fonts
I've installed plenty of fonts (xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, msttcorefonts [for shame!], gsfonts-x11, c., but emacs22 finds roughly zilch. Our story so far: I'm running vanilla etch w/Gnome, except for a) emacs22 from unstable, and b) blowing away X and Gnome, then reinstalling. (This due to some idiocy, I forget quite what, during which I damaged X such that gdm couldn't start it up.) X and Gnome are now quite happy, but when I ask emacs to set a font is says ``Font not found''. This obtains even for such staples as Courier 12-point. Reading up (briefly) on defoma, it seems to say that each app effectively registers itself with defoma, which handles everything from there on. I can find no mention of defoma in any of the emacs .postinsts, nor can I see any way from the command line to make defoma register emacs. ``apt-get install --reinstall emacs22'' doesn't change things. Searching this year's archive of debian-user, for ``emacs fonts'', shows nothing. Anyone have any ideas? -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: emacs can't find fonts---fixed, but not explained
Max Hyre wrote: I've installed plenty of fonts (xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, msttcorefonts [for shame!], gsfonts-x11, c., but emacs22 finds roughly zilch. I had occasion to reboot, and now everything works fine. Any ideas about /that/? -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Cycling
On 16 Jul, Steve Lamb wrote: Am I the only one who grew up where the law was cyclists were to ride against the flow of traffic? Almost certainly. In the U.S., every state has adopted some form of the Uniform Traffic Code, one of whose clauses is equivalent to The rider of a bicycle shall have all the rights and responsibilities of a driver of a vehicle. Here in Connecticut, it's Sec. 14-286a: (http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/pub/Chap248.htm) Every person riding a bicycle [...] shall be granted all of the rights and shall be subject to all of the duties applicable to the driver of any vehicle[.] Riding on the right side of the road is a duty, and as such, is /required/. Wrong-way riding is one of the two top causes of bicycle fatalities. (The other is riding at night without lights.) For a good run-down, see http://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/usa/index.htm If you want the whole megilla, buy _Effective Cycling_, by John Forester: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=0262560704 He puts it succinctly: ``Cyclists fare best when they act, and are treated, as drivers of vehicles.'' Want more? Ask me off-list. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Root partition full
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Check /var. Especially, /var/tmp, /var/cache. Also look at /var/archives. Since I moved from etch to unstable, something's been putting (multi-hundred)-megabyte files there each day. I've just been nuking them because I'm too lazy to look up who's generating them. I really should do that... It's no biggie in my case, because /var's a separate partition. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I am ANGRY with Debian.
Cassiano Bertol Leal wrote: I'm sorry, mate. But not everyone in this list and/or using Debian is from the USNA. Semi-touche'. I pointed in particular to our politics so no one would think I was denigrating anyone else's. Well, that may seem weird to you, but there *are* real politicians and politics and *real democracy* True. Some of them are even over here in the land of the Bush league. in some places around the world, where these words do not necessarily mean something bad. Also true. But Mr. Ferrier was using `politics' in a way suggesting he meant to be derogatory. To be honest, you don't even have to think about governments to think about politics. There is politics everywhere. Which is why I said ``This is politics at its best[.]'' I was pointing out that `politics' is not necessarily a dirty word, and since ISTM that he was using it as such, I was asking for clarification. There is nothing negative about political decisions (unless they *are* bad decisions -- and even that is relative). Especially when they were actually put to vote. Aye---that is what I was trying to say. Thanks for the chance to let me say it better. Cheers Cassiano Leal -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: I am ANGRY with Debian.
Nic James Ferrier wrote: [T]earing useful stuff out of packages because of a political decision without providing an automatic upgrade is stupid. It *will* lose you users. Watch out for loaded words. The decision was indeed ``political'' in that it was put up to a vote, but `politics' has negative connotations that I don't think apply here. Each person voting, whether pro or con, was voting out of principle, not because they'd been bribed, or because they'd been forced to follow the party line. They were deciding what the party line was to be. This is politics at its best, and has no connection to the operations of the U.S. legislative or executive branches, which is what the word `political' is loaded with. Indeed, better coordination in the transition (notably pointing people toward the excised documents) would have been a major improvement. However, ``because of a political decision'' sounds like something derogatory. In what sense do you mean for people to understand that phrase? -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: I am ANGRY with Debian.
Dear Nic: Nic James Ferrier wrote: My name is Nic Ferrier. I am really ANGRY at Debian. ... Oh dear. emacs-snapshot is quite old and not recent at all. I'm sorry you're upset. I can certainly understand distaste for an old emacs---I'm a hardcore emacs user myself. Hmmm, what's happened to that I wonder? I go ask the maintainer of the package. He tells me that Debian want him to remove the free documentation from inside Emacs, a ludicrous suggestion frankly[.] I'm also sorry the maintainer disagrees with Debian's vote on the GFDL. IIRC, the GFDL with no restrictions (invariant sections, etc.) is acceptable. _But_, please put anger aside a moment and examine the GFDL with unbiased eyes. If a document has an invariant section, then you have a file a) with a lump of lead inside that has to be dragged around with the document, forever, and b) whose guts cannot be cut and pasted into other documents without replicating that lump of lead, no matter how close or distant the relation between the two documents. You're not allowed to change or discard that lump. Isn't it at least *understandable* that many believe this document is unfree? I am so angry with what is being done that I want to stop using [Debian]. ... If political decisions can so alter the package base it is not the operating system for me. Obviously there are wide differences of opinion, but please respect Debian's democratic organization, and disagree without enmity. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Dangers of stable in sources.list
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 12:18:37AM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: You propose to eliminate stable as a release. To keep people from hurting themselves. Especially unwitting auto-updating ID10Ts. Ok, let me get this straight... How is this a good thing? Paul Condon opined: Greg, In fairness to Max, he surely did not have in mind possible confusion by an experienced Admin who is new to Debian, but rather a simple user who is working in an environment where he must act as his own Admin. Yeah, what he said. :-) I'm pointing out that the `stable' distro becomes massively unstable periodically. Admitted, that period is on the order of multiple years, but it _is_ being shortened. Additionally, the people least likely to be able to handle a badly- or non-working system are the ones most likely to be blind-sided by it. Paul E Condon wrote: To reorganize the internals would involve a lot of work. Touche'. John L Fjellstad wrote: If you remove 'stable', then you kind of have to remove 'testing' too. I don't think that follows. If someone, even a newbie, signs up for `testing', they've got to know there's going to be a bumpy ride. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Dangers of stable in sources.list
Gentlefolk: The discussion of `stable' vs. `etch' vs. `lenny' vs. ... got me to thinking. Is there any reason to offer `stable' as an entry in sources.list? Its drawback seems to be: o Every so often `stable' whacks you with about seventeen million updates, with the chance that you'll be left dead in the water. Using the name (`sarge', e.g.) has the drawback that: o Eventually a named distro will drop off the end of the world, and get no more security updates. OTOH, `unstable' is a necessary warning sign: Here be dragons. Someone starting with Debian needs to know that unstable has more surprises. (Though, in my experience, they're mostly like the ones you find in a box of Cracker Jacks.) So, my modest suggestion is that `stable' as a name should be eradicated. Roughly no downside, only closer adherence to the principle of least astonishment. [Runs for blast shelter...] -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] Re: SSH versus SSHFS
Ron Johnson wrote: Sadly it's not made with cane sugar anymore. :( Now /that's/ the worst programming news in years. Do they still use the ``all the sugar'' ad line? -- Best wishes, Max Hyre P.S.: And /this/ is what an OT thread should be. Best in months. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why emacs is still 21.4.1 in Etch?
Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 12:08 +0800, Yuwen Dai wrote: I found version of emacs is still 21.4.1 in Etch. Is there any technical obstacle for emacs's upgrading? AFAIK, that's the most recent stable release of GNU Emacs Yup, etch's release beat emacs's by a nose: http://lwn.net/Articles/229825/ there are emacs-snapshot packages of version 22 available in testing. I've been running emacs-snapshot for months now, and it's been solid. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Pronunciation of common Linux-related words - gradually going OT :)
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: My first words were Cum-By-Ya Well, you just got blocked by millions of spam filters right there. :-) I've always sung ``coom-by-ya''. And then again---my spell checker objected to `coom'; its first option was `cum'. Go figure. (Or, as my daughter says, go think.) -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Pronunciation of common Linux-related words
cga2000 wrote: About 20 miles East of the city. Well, more like zero (Queens and Brooklyn are part of both the city and the Island, unless you're talking like the locals, to whom The City is Manhattan, and the rest is referred to by borough name) to 120 miles east. There's a reason they call it _Long_ Island. :-) I guess you were referring to a New York City accent like in the old gangster movies? Like Jimmy Cagney, maybe? It ain't just the old movies---that accent is alive and well and living in Queens. How Queens and Brooklyn accents can be so different (they're adjacent on the Island) is beyond me. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre (from New Haven, Connecticut, where The City is indeed Manhattan) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Pronunciation of common Linux-related words
For those interested, a summary... How I counted: single opinion rendered +1 multiple pronunciations offered or commended by single poster+1 for each Notes: Intent of this count is to be descriptive (as she is spoken) rather than prescriptive (I say so, so do it my way) All are English (American, British, whatever) pronunciation; offers from other languages cheerfully ignored :-) Poster's opinion only; offers of opinions of others, likewise ignored Confusing offers---ignored Close variants combined; e.g. `gnu': guh-noo and guh-new taken to be the same. * officially sanctioned --- named name-dee3 named (as in appellation) pxe pixie 3 pea-ecks-ee Debian deb-ee-inn (same as Deb-Ian) * 3 bind bind3 bin-dee lilo lie-lo 3 lill-lo lee-lo 1 SQL ess-cue-ell 3 sequel 3 squirrel1 MySQL My-S-Q-L * 3 My-sequel 2 My-squirrel 1 PostgreSQL post-gress-Q-L *5 post-gress 1 post-grey-squirrel 1 FAQ eff-ay-cue 2 fak 2 etc et-see 2 etcetera1 usr user2 lib lib (short i) 3 lieb (long i) 1 leeb proc prock 2 init inn-it 2 daemon demon 1 day-mon 5 kde kay-dee-ee 2 gnu new guh-new * 3 gnome nome1 guh-nome2 to me, guh-nome vi vee-aye 4 vye 2 passwd password pass-w-dee 2 pass-wood 2 irc i-r-c 3 irk vim vee-aye-em vim 2 chroot see-aitch-root 1 chuh-root 3 change root (the words) 1 chown chown (one syllable)1 shown chmod shuh-mod1 /bin slash-bin 1 bin 1 / (when used by itself) root2 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Pronunciation of common Linux-related words
Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: chroot = tchroot (Ch as in Chekhov + root - there's an unavoidable very short middle e or a sound as you say it because you can't easily go from one syllable to the other) It's called schwa, and represented by a lowercase `e' rotated 180 degrees about the axis perpendicular to the paper (screen :-), presumably the way a typesetter could flip an `e' without casting a new glyph. Don't you feel better now, knowing this? :-) -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux
Dear Debianistas: John Hasler wrote: The manufacturer may be paying Microsoft a fixed fee for every machine he ships rather than for every copy of Microsoft Windows he ships. This makes sense when nearly every machine has Microsoft Windows installed. Precisely. But the sense is inverted. Nearly every machine has a copy of MS Windows installed because the manufacturer pays a fixed fee for every machine shipped. When this whole thing started to snowball (as in when MS had gotten a solid foothold by selling MS-DOS for lots less than the P-system or CP/M-86) MS made an offer no one in her right mind could refuse. Their per-hardware-unit-sold license was so much cheaper than the per-OS-copy-sold license that it made no sense to do anything else. Thus, any system sent out already had the cost of MS-DOS (later MS Windows) built into its price. Hence, remarks about the ``Microsoft Tax''. Once this happens, adding any other OS, no matter what (= 0) its price, means more effort for the manufacturer. It raises the cost of the sale, and Linux is frozen out by economics. Q.E.D. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux
Ron Johnson wrote: There will be a limited number of models and they'll be more expensive (if for no other reason than companies like Symantec can't sell ad space on a Linux desktop). Why the devil shouldn't they be able to sell ad space to Symantec? (I presume that's what you mean.) There's no reason in the world at all they shouldn't put up a Gnome desktop with icons offering AOL, Symantec, or Joe's Bar Grill, so long as a) AOL et al. give them (Dell) money, and b) AOL writes a version which runs on GNU/Linux. If enough folks buy these boxes, it may become worth AOL's while. After all, Dell's got to sell to Aunt Tillie, too, if this thing's going to fly. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
Michael Pobega wrote: Debian, on the other hand, only gets negative PR. That's largely true. Every review I've read leaves the impression that Debian is problematic, even though the review mentions some (often many) good points. Outside of the Debian community nobody really gives Debian a chance. So an interesting question is: How do people start using it? ISTM there are three ways: a) talking to Debian users, b) having it installed on their system by someone else, or c) using a Debian-based system (Ubuntu, Linspire, whatever), and at some point, finding it unsatisfying, migrating to the original. As a result, Debianistas leave for other distributions less frequently than folks leave other distributions for another (any other). So it seems Debian is, in engineering terms, a GNU/Linux-user sink. They may bounce around other distributions, but when they get to Debian, they stay here. [Reviewers] don't understand the idea of the Debian release schedule; It's aimed at servers, NOT home computers. This one I disagree with. I've never heard a developer say ``I'm building this for server admins.'' It's always ``I'm building the best damn' GNU/Linux system there is.'', where ``best'' is defined as Free-est and most stable. This just happens to result in the distribution most useful for servers, but it's not built for them. I run it on my home computers, and feel no bias against that use. IANADBIUWAIWTDP* We shall release no Debian before its time. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre * ``I am not a dev, but I'll use We as in We the Debian people'' :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Any feedback on Icedove?
Dear d-u: On Saturday 24 March 2007 23:35, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: Only to be mathematically rigorous: not only the name, but some of the artwork, is different. I just upgraded to version 1.5.0.10 (20070307), and the new artwork is great! -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: PayPal - Limited account access -
Joe Hart wrote: PayPal Accounts Team wrote: The immediate tip-off is that the mail doesn't include your Paypal account name---Paypal _always_ sends it in their e-mails, precisely to show you it knows exactly who the recipient is. Without that, all you've got is a broadcast phishing expedition. Ebay uses the same validation mechanism. In keeping with the how-I-do-it rest of the thread, however, I'm glad I always read my e-mail in plain text. :-) No hiding from that. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Where is debian-non-US
John Hasler wrote: Due to changes in US law it was eliminated some time ago. The changes removed restrictions preventing citizens of the land of the free from sending strong crypto out of the country. Given the status of software patents, though, it might be time to revive it. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Where is debian-non-US
John Hasler wrote: Max Hyre writes: Given the status of software patents, though, it might be time to revive [non-US]. Then for similar reasons we'll need non-JP, non-DE, non-AU... Good point. Let me amend that to suggest the [non-patent] distribution. (Aside: ``non-DE''? I thought the EU has so far staved off the software-patent idiocy.) -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Fwd: [OT] Dell Confirmed its move !!!]
Dear Debianists: Figured some people here who have been looking for Laptops recently might be interested in this tidbit of information from Dell. Indeed, it is good news. Note, however, that the site says ``we are working with Novell to certify our corporate client products for Linux''. This says nothing about pre-installation. However, even if they only work with Novell to verify working drivers and generally making sure there's enough hardware info to allow Free Software to access and use all the systems' capabilities, this is wonderful. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: REALLY OT: News Flash
Ladies and gentlemen: wishful thinking I like a good digression as well as the next person, probably better than most, but this is ridiculous. I'd love to see this go over to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could someone set it up, please? /wishful thinking Thank you for your attention. You may now return to your previously-scheduled demagoguery. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20
Florian Kulzer wrote: (You need the packages xserver-xorg-video-s3 and xserver-xorg-video-s3virge to have them available. FWIW, the only X server package I've got installed on my T20 is xserver-xorg-video-savage, which seems to work fine. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20
896 1048600 601 604 631 +hsync +vsync # 1024x768 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 48.4kHz ModeLine 1024x768 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 1024x768 @ 70Hz (VESA) hsync: 56.5kHz ModeLine 1024x768 75.0 1024 1048 1184 1328768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 1024x768 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 60.0kHz ModeLine 1024x768 78.8 1024 1040 1136 1312768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync # 1024x768 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 68.7kHz ModeLine 1024x768 94.5 1024 1072 1168 1376768 769 772 808 +hsync +vsync # Extended modelines with GTF timings # 640x480 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 50.90 kHz; pclk: 43.16 MHz ModeLine 640x480 43.16 640 680 744 848 480 481 484 509 -HSync +Vsync # 800x600 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 63.60 kHz; pclk: 68.18 MHz ModeLine 800x600 68.18 800 848 936 1072 600 601 604 636 -HSync +Vsync # 1024x768 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 81.40 kHz; pclk: 113.31 MHz EndSection Section Device Identifier Card0 # The following line is auto-generated by KNOPPIX mkxf86config # Driver savage VendorName All BoardName All # BusID PCI:1:0:0 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 Option ShadowStatus MonitorMonitor0 DefaultColorDepth 16 SubSection Display Depth 1 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 32 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection EndSection Section DRI Mode 0666 EndSection - End XF86Config-4 -- -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?
Paul Johnson wrote: Any battery loses capacity over time, though you can reduce these effects through proper care. For more than you can possibly want to know about batteries, check out http://www.buchmann.ca/toc.asp (Registration requested, but not required.) -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
ping: invalid argument
Dear Debianists:
Between two successive calls to ping, it crapped out.
(Tried twice in a row because I had a flaky DSL connection,
and wanted to see whether it had decided to join the party.)
==
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup eth0
snip
DHCPACK from 192.168.0.1
bound to 192.168.1.64 -- renewal in 14 seconds.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ping -n 1 www.debian.org
ping: unknown host www.debian.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ping -n 1 www.debian.org
connect: Invalid argument
==
Ran strace and get, annotated:
==
// OK, we can get a socket.
socket(PF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 3
// Not sure why it has to bother the router
// (192.168.0.1), but it seems happy.
connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(53),
sin_addr=inet_addr(192.168.0.1)}, 28) = 0
fcntl64(3, F_GETFL) = 0x2 (flags O_RDWR)
fcntl64(3, F_SETFL, O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK) = 0
gettimeofday({1170694577, 208172}, NULL) = 0
poll([{fd=3, events=POLLOUT, revents=POLLOUT}], 1, 0) = 1
// We can send to Debian...
send(3, \225z\1\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\3www\6debian\3org\0\0\1\0\1, 32, 0) = 32
poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, 5000) = 1
ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [147]) = 0
// ... and even get a 147-byte response. I guess the
// actual ping is OK. (Wireshark verifies this.)
recvfrom(3,
\225z\201\200\0\1\0\1\0\4\0\1\3www\6debian\3org\0\0\1\0..., 1024, 0,
{sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(53),
sin_addr=inet_addr(192.168.0.1)}, [16]) = 147
close(3)= 0
// But now we want to connect to 0.0.0.1?! I should
// hope it complains about that argument.
socket(PF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 3
connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(1025),
sin_addr=inet_addr(0.0.0.1)}, 16) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)
==
o Asking Google about `0.0.0.1 ping: invalid argument'
returns precisely zip.
o It returns some stuff from a search on `ping: invalid
argument', but none of it seems germane.
o Anything related to `0.0.0.1' /seems/ to suggest that
that's an invalid IP address, but I can't find anything
that really says so.
o Nor do I find anything in the BTS or the mailing-list
archives.
o I've tried bringing eth0 down and up again, but no joy.
If anyone could supply me a clue, I'd be most
appreciative.
--
Best wishes,
Max Hyre
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Re: ping: invalid argument
Jonas Meurer wrote: I guess that the problem is '-n 1'. According to the ping manpage, the option '-n' takes no argument: AAARRRrrrghh! I should have used `-c 1'. I'm so used to using another implementation that uses -n for the number of pings that I forgot to check what I was doing. excuseThat it didn't give the error the first (failed) time put me off the scent./excuse Thanks for the reality check. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Friendly registrar
Brian Keefer wrote: In light of what happened Wednesday, does anyone else have any additional suggestions for non-US registrars that won't yank your delegation just because a major corporation told them to (it seems GoDaddy would rather dump their customers than anger a major corporation)? It was scary watching the Godaddy commercials on the Superbowl last night, and thinking ``if only the fans knew the truth''. But then, we all know advertising = lying. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Getting started with Postgres or MySQL
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 02:54:01PM -0900, Joshua J. Kugler wrote: In that same document, they give the reason for doing so: The reason for using the preceding rules in non-strict mode is that we can't check these conditions until the statement has begun executing. We can't just roll back if we encounter a problem after updating a few rows, because the storage engine may not support rollback. The option of terminating the statement is not that good; in this case, the update would be ???half done,??? which is probably the worst possible scenario. In this case, it's better to ???do the best you can??? and then continue as if nothing happened. I'm sorry, but our database can't always handle transactions is not a valid excuse for allowing bogus data. Does this mean that Mysql isn't really a DB, but is in fact just a front-end, translating SQL statements into commands to the real DB? -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Johnny Question
Ron Johnson wrote: Just as there are spin-off books of movies, I would not be surprised if there were/are spin-off book of popular cartoons. Was the cartoon around in 1962? That's when I was reading the book. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Jonny Question
Ron Johnson wrote: The wiki article mentions nothing of a similarly-titled book. In fact, it mentions its inspiration being, among others, the _Jack Armstrong_ radio show and Milt Caniff's comics, as well as his name being spelled `Jonny'. Sounds as if there's no relation, though you'd think the similarity of names would have led to some indignation. Maybe they were so much more easygoing back then that no one invoked the DMCA. :-). (Thunderbird's spell checker suggests that should be YMCA.) On Google, any mention of the book is drowned in the tsunami of cartoon references, so that's a dead end. Thanks for the info, though. Now I know. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian, Iceweasel, Firefox!
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: The real interesting one to me is the battle Adobe has going to prevent photoshop from becoming a synonym for edit a photograph or for an edited photograph. It's already been, you should pardon the expression, ``verbed''. As in ``Was that photoshopped?'' when expressing doubt as to the authenticity of an image. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Johnny Question
Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/31/07 16:58, Hal Vaughan wrote: Maybe, but we'll never see an American 'toon that'll top Johnny Quest. I mentioned /JQ/ to my son the other night. What's /Johnny Quest/? We're so old. And I'm too young to have watched JQ first runs. When I was maybe 10, reading the entire science fiction section of my local library, I came a cross a book whose protagonist was Johnny Quest. He was searching for his father, and it was involved, IIRC, with an underwater city. Much later I became aware of _Johnny Quest_ the cartoon, and wondered whether it was the same. Anyone know? -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Johnny Question
Hal Vaughan wrote: Was his father kidnapped by an Ice Weasel? Nah, the water was liquid. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Marcus Blumhagen wrote: On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 08:47:45PM +0100, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: Then there are the new names and logos themselves. What is an Iceape? How should this beast be pronounced? As I read the name it is a combination of ice and ape. Both can be looked up in a dictionary. So now instead of a burning fox (or whatever firefox might mean) one gets a freezing (or is it frozen?) ape. My understanding is that IceApe (pardon the studly caps) is an unbranded version of SeaMonkey. Thus we get: Firefox - Iceweasel Thunderbird - Icedove Mozilla suite - Iceape Giving an overall theme to the concept. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: PGP Keyservers being glacially slow, lately
Greg Folkert wrote: I have Comcastic! Meh... crappy. I only get 1100KB/sec from kernel.org and giganews.com. Is that a typo? 1100KBps = 1.1MBps = 8.8Mbps For 9Mbps I'll put up with almost anything---after all, a T1 is only 1.544 Mbps. On ATT [A]DSL, I generally get 130KBps = 1.04Mbps. Beats dial-up all hollow, and keeps my daughter /much/ happier wrt music. :-) -- Best wishes, Max Hyre [All numbers being downstream only. Hisss, b!] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Small Network Setup with Debian Router
Kristian Lampen wrote: Another problem is that using a hub will give all connected clients the possibility to sniff the traffic. That is not what I want. Of course, sniffing is the point, as described, but as you observe, not for everyone. So, does anyone make a switch with a distinguished port which sees all the traffic through the switch? That would allow the administrator's system to keep an eye on what's going on, but prevent anyone else from doing so. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
John Hasler wrote: Max Hyre writes: Of course, they're fighting a losing battle in the casual usage... In the US they [Kimberly-Clark] have no power over casual usage [of the word `Kleenex']. Yes, the law offers no help there, but they fight the tendency as best they can. You'll see ad campaigns emphasizing Farble's /brand/ widgets, trying to get people to call them widgets, rather than `farbles'. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Small Network Setup with Debian Router
Peter Teunissen wrote: Best would be to have another NIC on the router for the WAP (or use a PCI WLAN card), so you can have stricter rules in the FW for wireless clients. And remember to use WPA2 (or WPA if you have some devices without WPA2 capability) with a good passphrase. You should have to enter the passphrase only once per device, so making it solid should be no great burden. WEP, on the other hand, is what people with laptops and curiosity break into if they have a couple of spare minutes. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Access for some info. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
John Hasler wrote: Angelo writes: It was reiterated by Mozilla that if it doesn't do this, it will lose some ability to protect its trademarks. IANAL, but somehow it just doesn't sound right to me. It needn't be right in order to be true. Trademark law is loony. Actually, it's right, true, and not at all loony. Think about what a trademark is: a way to tell the buyer exactly what she's getting. If Kimberly-Clark let any old tissue maker put `Kleenex' on their box, there wouldn't be any purpose to the name, would there? So, K-C has to insist the name only be used for their product, and none other. [1] Therefore, the law simply recognizes that if things have gotten to the point where the name no longer specifies a particular maker's product, it has no use as a trademark, and therefore isn't one, and the owner loses the right to claim it as such. [2] /Therefore/, trademark owners have to do their best to keep such a thing from happening, which means not letting people call random programs ``Firefox''. And, if it's Free Software, it can easily turn into some random program, so don't do that. Debian is just the first one to hit the tripwire. Of course, why Mozilla thinks it /needs/ a trademark is another question, and one for which I can offer no answers. If Mozilla just accepted back reasonable patches, there'd be only One True Firefox, modulo a few lines of code here and there. If Joe's Browser Storm Door Company came out with something entirely different and called it that, they'd be laughed out of business. H, if it were Microsoft putting out the counterfeit, on the other hand Maybe Mozilla has a point there. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre, who took a class in this stuff several decades ago. [1] Of course, they're fighting a losing battle in the casual usage, but at least they can keep other tissue makers at bay. [2] Did you know `Zipper' used to be a trademark? And not so long ago only Merriam-Webster could call a dictionary `Webster's'? [3] Trademark law recognizes that no one's going to mistake a hawk for a handsaw, so two companies making those two separate products can both call them `Hamlet' brand, with no trademark infringement. The U.S. PTO has a whole list of different product types to help decide which are more or less non-conflicting: http://tess2.uspto.gov/netahtml/manual.html (NOTE: This is a biiiggg page: 1.2 MB, almost 2300 lines. Unless you're morbidly curious, you probably want to load just a bit and cancel the transfer.) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] Dilbert cartoon featurng Linux
Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 11:16 -0700, ChadDavis wrote: Has anyone seen the Unix dilbert where a crusty old, Unix guy comes up to dilbert, flips him a dime, and says,Here kid, go buy yourself a real computer. http://ozguru.mu.nu/Photos/2005-11-11--Dilbert_Unix.jpg :-) Odd, the strip says ``go buy yourself a /better/ computer''. I would have sworn a might oath that the original said ``real computer'', as ChadDavis says. That's how Neil Stephenson quotes it in ``In the Beginning was the Command Line''[1], and I think it's better that way. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre [1] http://artlung.com/smorgasborg/C_R_Y_P_T_O_N_O_M_I_C_O_N.shtml, an excellent nerdly read, fawningly complimentary to Linux. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: APT problems (uncaught exception): workaround
Bug #400560 (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400560 ) has been filed for this failure. It seems to be associated with some sort of earlier failure (power failure in one case, ``failed update'' in the other). I had a failed update earlier, but don't remember the circumstances. The second reporter suggests emptying sources.list and reloading. I'm using Synaptic, and did the equivalent: in Settings Repositories, uncheck everything, then do an update. That went through, and when I rechecked the repositories, it worked just fine. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] CVS vs. SVN
Dear Angelo Dave: Angelo Bertolli wrote: David Christensen wrote: there was an SVN feature whereby SVN applied to same version number to all files Really, truly it /is/ a feature. It's one of the driving forces behind writing SVN. Can SVN deal with the various line endings automatically like CVS? I just tested this on Linux with a TXT file that was created on Windows. On Linux I got a file with CRLF line terminators. SVN's charter is ``what goes in comes out''. However, it has a `property' to handle EOL changes: svn:eol-style. Set to `native' it Does The Right Thing, but Subversion leaves the choice up to you. There's probably a way to default to native EOL, but I've never cared, since I'm purely a Unixish operator. Take a look at http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.advanced.props.html#svn.advanced.props.special.eol-style -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Can't su to root after using the RC1 installer
Joey Hess wrote: Actually, you're asked: If you choose not to allow root to log in, then a user account will be created and given the power to become root using the 'sudo' command. Allow login as root? That'll teach me to slow down and read the fine print. Sorry for the bother. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Can't su to root after using the RC1 installer
Dear Etch developers: I've done a network install of etch (booting from floppies), telling debconf to ask me low-priority questions, and gotten locked out of root. In the [Setup users and passwords] step, I'm asked ``Allow root login?'' Wanting root to be accessible only from already-logged-in accounts, I say `no', expecting that it'll just empty /etc/securetty. I'm given no chance to specify a root password, and when the installation is complete, I can't get into root. `su' and `sudo' both ask for a password, but I have no idea what it is, and CR doesn't do it. I restarted the installation, and shelled out ASAP. /etc/shadow's first entry is: root:!:13495:0:9:7::: (I hope there's nothing confidential in that.) I deleted the `!', su'd with no password, and set up one. Then I checked /etc/securetty, and it was its ugly old self: root can login from pretty much anything physically attached to the system. So, the bug is either that it Does The Wrong Thing, or that the import of the question is obscure, to say the least. (In the ``what were they thinking'' department, what good is a machine you can't administer? Are you expected to install it perfectly, and to never touch anything again?) This happened two out of two installs. I'm installing on an HP Pavilion 7855 (32-bit x86), using a 12 December download of the installer's weekly snapshot. Please tell me if you need further information, or if I can help in any other way. Oh, yeah: thanks for a fabulous OS! :-) -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Can't su to root after using the RC1 installer
Tom Brown wrote: I believe the password for sudo should be the user password that has access to sudo. That's assuming that the installer setup sudo for you. That's what the man page says (hadn't used sudo before). However, the installer made no offer to set up a sudoers file. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian sub-menu gone from Gnome
Marcel Stoop wrote: Is the menu package still installed on your system? Yup, per dpkg -s. However the question is now moot---see my other post. Regards, Marcel Thanks for the help. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: emacs manual and other missing info
Gentlefolk: it maybe that some of the manuals were reclassified as non-dfsg free and were moved out of the main repositories. Many GFDL documents were reclassified for etch. That appears to be the case, as confirmed in /usr/share/doc/emacs21-common/copyright: It appears to be otherwise for emacs-snapshot-common. It's in the main repository, includes the files emacs-[1-8].gz, and its .../copyright file says it's under the GFDL. Searching the Manual reveals the only occurrences of the word `invariant' are in the GFDL's text itself. Could the absence of invariant sections render it DFSG-free, with the changes made since emacs21? Tyler, you might want to try emacs-snapshot. I've been following it (and unstable) for months now, and have had no problems other than emacs's icon disappearing every so often. At a minimum, installing emacs-snapshot-common will get you the manual The Debian Way. Its direct dependencies are o dpkg (=1.9.0) and o emacsen-common (=1.4.10) If your installation is OK with these (and whatever they drag in) ``apt-get install emacs-snapshot-common'' should do it. HTH. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists. -- Yosemite park ranger, quoted in http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=191810cid=15757347 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse
Gentlefolk: It sounds as if this effort includes a significant attempt to reinvigorate the rapidly-cooling ``you can get sued for using Linux'' FUD. From the NYTimes article: (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/business/03soft.html?ei=5070en=d4fb3a0a5a8877aeex=1163221200adxnnl=1emc=eta1adxnnlx=1162573225-6R/TMUUmbINGdzyGvG8o9Q) As part of the agreement, Microsoft said it would not file patent infringement suits against customers who purchase Novell's SuSE Linux. and again: [Mr. Ballmer called] Oracle's deal ``just a service agreement'' with Red Hat. ``You get no covenant not to sue if you chose Oracle.'' signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Firefox: loss of configuration across upgrade
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gentlefolk: I'm following unstable, using Synaptic pretty much daily to reload the package files and perform all upgrades. Firefox was recently upgraded (the last week or 10 days) to 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.6-1, but I had an instance running from before then until today. Today I tried to use https: protocol (buying online) and was told, roughly, ``Can't do that---SSL isn't available''. A couple of different sites acted the same. Finally realizing an upgrade might have something to do with it, I killed my instance and brought up another one. That one had lost all my configuration, cookies, c. Poking around showed ~/.mozilla/firefox had two directories: garbage1.default/ and garbage2.default/; the first had my setup. After some futzing around, I renamed garbage1 to garbage2 and everything came up fine. Eventually I figured that profiles.ini had the entry ``Path=garbage2.default'', and I could probably have edited that to have it DTRT. My question: What do I do from here? o File a bug (there's currently none for this situation)? o Realize this is one of the costs of rapid updates, and restart all apps after every upgrade (a pain)? If so, must I reboot as well (more pain)? o Chalk it up to the phase of the moon and ignore it? In my latest update (minutes ago), I notice changes to such interesting packages as thunderbird, xbase-clients and libpam, suggesting, respectively, restarting thunderbird, logging out and back in to my desktop, and rebooting. Thanks for any thoughts on the subject. Best wishes, Max Hyre -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE36mminmU7xweXmkRAr5PAJwPV0+QOBmffeNwzYN956rcXxZGHwCgvXyF A93oM5ulv5QZUk1i7bjd4I0= =m1VW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firefox: loss of configuration across upgrade
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexander Sack wrote: Firefox needs to be restarted after upgrade ... and it states so explicitly during upgrade. It prints the following: Please restart any running Firefoxes, or you will experience problems. Hmmm---I try to examine the output from dpkg, but I must have missed that one. Thanks for the heads-up. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE37sRinmU7xweXmkRAs3+AKDBR+3jFEfOT0/Edb1XkKCZiAAWJgCgz3ol dBkRCT4USBglDef4VgGK5bk= =n09U -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firefox: loss of configuration across upgrade
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Florian Kulzer wrote: I would suspect that you had another crashed instance of firefox on your system or that the one you killed crashed during closing. The one I still had running had the same effect. You only have to reboot if you install a new kernel. Good---that's what I'd always heard. The update scripts will of course not just kill or restart user applications. [] I always close all my applications before I upgrade. I guess I'd gotten cocky---upgrades always go so well, I've been just kicking them off anytime, while I continue to work. Expecting too much from the mechanism: it doesn't actually use artificial intelligence (yet :-). Thanks, everyone, for the info; I've got a much better understanding of what's going on now. - -- Best wishes, Max Hyre -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE38AqinmU7xweXmkRAsJmAJ0bzOjSLD0rcVdHw87A62PiQyZm7ACgq/6z QsAYQP+vui3A+4+/5r4MKFY= =xe5I -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Daylight Savings Time Extended
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I am trying to determine if the timezone data in libc6 has
been updated
The short answer seems to be: no.
The long answer:
I'm running unstable, and the tzdata package is described as
This package contains data that represent the history of
local time for many representative locations around the
globe. It is updated periodically to reflect changes
made by political bodies to time zone boundaries, UTC
offsets, and daylight-saving rules
- From /usr/share/doc/tzdata/changelog.Debian.gz:
tzdata (2006g-2) unstable; urgency=low
* patches/systemv.diff: As Indianapolis use DST since
2006, it can no more be an alias for SystemV/EST5,
replace it with Panama. Closes: #367025
-- Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 2 Jun 2006
23:44:21 +0200
Apparently, tzdata was last updated for the latest change to
Indianapolis's situation (don't ask). Thus, the 2007 idiocy
still awaits inclusion.
From libc6's entry in debian_dists_..._Packages
Replaces: ldso (= 1.9.11-9), timezone, timezones,
^
gconv-modules, libtricks, libc6-bin, netkit-rpc,
netbase ( 4.0)
Depends: tzdata
So it sure looks as if the timezone info used to live in the
libc6 package, but has been split out into the tzdata
package.
- --
Best wishes,
Max Hyre
If God had meant us to have daylight-savings time, She would
have put the sun overhead at 1 o'clock. --- /me
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Re: Winner
Dear Winner, Does this apply to all of Debian? Or just debian-user subscribers. Winners are advice to keep this award confidential OK, I won't tell anyone. Don't any of you either! The Luckyday Lotto Awards is proudly sponsored by the Microsoft Corporation Oops---maybe this is fishy after all... :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OL400
Dear Mr. Kopishke: You asked: Hi, I have a Okidata 0l400 LED printer, what filter should I use in magicfilter? I can't get to my OL400 machine right now, so this is from memory, but if you check your user's manual, you'll see that the OL400 emulates an HP (Laserjet, LJ II+, maybe?). In my case, the printer has only 1 MB RAM, so I tell magicfilter to use the ``low memory'' option. All this adds up to the filter named something like ``*lj2plo*''. Sorry I'm so hazy---I just installed magicfilter and it worked--- haven't looked at it in over a year. If this isn't enough, send me mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'll get that at home and can look up the exact answer then. Hope this helps. Best wishes, Max Hyre
Is it possible to rebuild /var/lib/dpkg/status?
Gentlefolk: I was almost through upgrading to Potato when my hard drive decided to develop some flaky sectors. Courtesy of Mr. Murphy, they were on my /var partition, in /var/lib/dpkg/status* (the more recent versions). I've rebuilt /var, mostly, on a different spindle (/var was the only partition on the bad spindle): I'd backed up /var before starting the upgrade, and most of /var is readable, with a bit of hassle. It's just that I can't get .../status back, and dpkg balks at not having it :-). Is there some way to rebuild the contents of `status' based on what's on the system? If so, how? Is there some easier way out of this fix? Thanks for any answers you my provide. Best wishes, Max Hyre
RE: potato-update and symbolic links in /etc
Dear Mr. Bouwman: You wrote: During my slink-life I have developed the habit to make symbolic links of all those configuration files in /etc and its subdirectories that I have changed myself. The real files are in /local/etc . This system has advantages and drawbacks. The big question now is what happens to this structure when during the update to potato some of these symlinked configuration files have to be updated as well ? I presume your symlinks get moved to foo.rc.dpkg-old, and the new file is installed as foo.rc (unless the package does something fancy in the way of parsing and propagating mods). Not too dreadful, but, IMHO, suboptimal. I've found RCS to be the answer. It allows me to keep all my back versions easily accessible, yet completely out of dpkg's way---no changes it makes touch my backup info, but the files are exactly how and where it expects. Anytime I want to know what I've done, I ask for the differences between the last release version (that I used) and the current. To know what dpkg is proposing, toss foo.rc.dpkg-new into the RCS archive, and compare *that* against the last-used release version, and decide whether it's easier to re-do the mods, or blow off the new version. It even keeps track of when and (if I write log entries) why I made the changes. (To top it off, if you use the One True Editor *cough*emacs/*cough* it's effectively painless. :-) To adopt this mechanism, just: # mkdir RCS # ci -l foo.rc edit foo.rc # ci -l foo.rc add log entry # For the full effect, read up on the commands ci, co, rcsdiff, and rlog. You could even put the RCS storage into effect with your current files, replacing the symlinks, and _then_ upgrade. Best wishes, Max Hyre
RE: EXIM / FETCHMAIL Question
Dear Mr. Aiken: You asked: I now have Debian 2.2 Potato set up and it uses exim. I do NOT have a .forward file, but I do have my .procmailrc recipe file. When I do a fetchmail my incoming mail is sorted/filtered using my .procmailrc recipe file. Is this normal behavior for exim? Can I get rid of my .forward file? I'm far from an expert, so handle with care: I'm doing as you are (`fetchmail' from ISP, exim for MTA). I converted from ?sendmail? about a year ago when Debian made exim the standard MTA. In neither case have I needed a .forward file to get my mail to its destination, so here's one data point saying it's normal behavior, and you can ditch the .forward file. Best wishes, Max Hyre
netbase upgrade wedged
Gentlefolk: I'm upgrading a vanilla slink system (which itself has been upgraded incrementally from hamm or bo over the years), using a set of CDRs from www.lsl.com. I've had no more than the normal set of annoying glitches, but now I'm down to this one: Trying to upgrade netbase gets me an error message saying an error was returned from the postinst script (error 30 maybe?), and I seem to be un-netified. Certainly ppp and some of its buddies refuse to install due to netbase's absence. I've tried telling dpkg to spew all the debugging info I can stand (?-D3777 maybe?), but while I get lots, at the penultimate moment, it invokes the postinst, and _no debugging info shows up_ until the failure message. I tried hacking netbase.postinst by adding ``set -x'' so I could see what was up, but a) when using dpkg, it unpacks another, unhacked copy, thus thwarting my scheme, and b) trying to run it myself it's obvious I have no idea what the arguments should be. So...does anyone know what the hang-up is? I've actually read (gasp!) the upgrade documentation. I note that netbase has been split, but one of the resulting spawn is netbase, so I presume (new) netbase still needs installing. If not an actual fix, can someone tell me how to get debug info out of the postinst, so I can try to hack it myself? Thanks for any light you can shed on this. Best wishes, Max Hyre
How can I restart the installer's task-selection routine?
Gentlefolk: I'd like to revise my selection of tasks for a newly- installed potato box, but offhand I see no instructions on restarting the nice front-end that lets me choose blocks of packages by checking a single `task'. Is that available after first installation? Best wishes, Max Hyre
Debian-talk defunct?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Debianists: I just got a message returned from an attempt to send to the debian-talk list. (Relevant? extracts below) Is the list still operational, or did the lack of traffic lead to its demise? Sincerely, Max Hyre - --- Start of forwarded message --- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:53:41 +1000 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message - --LAA12985.865475621/lebunka.ion.com.au The original message was received at Thu, 5 Jun 1997 01:07:45 +1000 from relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2] - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to mail.vv.com.au.: RCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... User unknown 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED] User unknown [ apparently-irrelevant stuff elided ] - --- End of forwarded message --- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM5bi5/Ja20+mce5pAQFIbwP8CsiLIYuLDc8orNxVGIQqEFAw7opCOuO5 YsMEbDYFHBp5GY1/cXPQL4wbSugqxzsHsU0UciF+XZiQMdtNuwTTgjofq57jRvFl n0wL5IVl1mfCsb9rOXNh4+/8y7amPDmdsgjlE0z0MMGPErgzNQ/+Pwedwg4nPNMr a3Rf5TIHwT4= =ae+W -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: What can I dump
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Mr. Livingston: OK, I'm a bit low on space and can't dump DOS/WIN due to other users. ... /dev/hda6 103572 1028093292 10% /e /dev/hda7 93512 6827825234 73% /f /dev/hda8 128724 120528 8196 94% /g I'm also not prepared to shuffle drive letters to get that 100M from E:\ out to the end of /dev/hda so I can re-partition it efs2. You don't have to shuffle anything---you can plunk an ext2 partition down right in the middle of things, and have it work. It sounds reasonable to split your current E: drive into a 15-meg DOS partition (/dev/hda6, still) and an 85-meg Linux partition (/dev/hda7). You'd have to tweak your fstab to reflect /f - /dev/hda8 and /g - /dev/hda9, but DOS will ignore a partition that it doesn't recognize, so your drive letters would be unchanged and you get 85 Mbytes for Linux. The downside is that you'd have to move the E: data elsewhere while doing the splitting, and restore it later, but you've got 10M available on / (and thus, presumably, in /home), so just: o tar it up (maybe gzip, too?) onto an ext2 partition o use [c]fdisk to do the deed o mod fstab o boot DOS and format the new, slimmer E: o back to Linux to untar and mke2fs I've had no trouble doing this sort of thing a time or two, but it depends on there being no funky stuff on E:, such as copy-protected files or such. - -- Sincerely yours, Max Hyre - The Web has no reliable method of distinguishing vital from trivial byte-streams, and my nightmare is that a million idiots will suddenly decide to play multi-dungeons just as the surgeon is trying to download my X-rays. --- Stan Kelly-Bootle, _Unix_Review_, May 1997, p. 83 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM4S+ZvJa20+mce5pAQEUrAQAiW5ZcdfQNxmdDdZ2FSfggNIObZFrh/JW wZ4koqSEAtOe9ZaMoP6qh5fk86Ikpi//0ssddhdJUsMSGEGE4NJ+0Ebs5KPpePDc 8+YxPMs/Fuy+NvTsxJrNX5f2ELFOCiiKMIyGKg8j6OjY7CkVNDRJ33BcMxp4M2hE b1c8K9LTnxQ= =3Iaj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Using LILO...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Mr. Scheetz: Oh, goodie---now maybe I can pay back some of the help you've given in the past :-). The following assumes that your failure mode is that booting still puts you right into DOS with no indication that LILO ever runs. (I.e., you don't see ``LILO'' appear on the screen at boot time.) If I'm mistaken, send more info. For my money, the best way to start out using LILO is to edit lilo.conf to say: boot=/dev/fd0 instead of what I suspect it now says: boot=/dev/hdb then o put a floppy in o run lilo (as root :-)) o set your BIOS to try to boot from A: before C: o leaving the floppy in, reboot If this doesn't work the way you want, fiddle with lilo.conf until it does. The _big_ advantage is that you're only screwing up a floppy if something goes wrong---you pretty much can't render your hard drive unbootable. Once things are arranged to your satisfaction, you're ready to decide where to put the LILO boot loader on your hard drive. Since you have only a single DOS partition on hda, your choices are: boot=/dev/hda using the current partitioning setup, or repartition (using FIPS to avoid backup/restore) to give yourself a small second partion (it doesn't have to be Linux, it could even be a second DOS partition), say /dev/hda2, and say boot=/dev/hda2 The advantage of the latter setup is that you don't touch your DOS MBR---just set hda2 to be the active partition, and the DOS MBR will hand control over to LILO. Then if something goes wrong (like, say, you install Windows 95), it doesn't touch LILO---you can use DOS's fdisk to reset hda2 as the active partition, and Shazam!, LILO's back in the saddle. This is the Reader's Digest condensed version of what works for me---if you'd like more detail, don't hesitate to write. - -- Sincerely yours, Max Hyre -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM2ee2fJa20+mce5pAQGuVAQAn6wcCFm8hu9unf/gqKZHzS3KeomojPhS Op4xXQ/+86g4Z+NFW9SF+EQTNJ+3qzoSyqoyJQoXIuNnt73l2WxP3RS698gnU9Jl Mc1pqdJJqtIjA6qF49s+xtYK7lnHMA2EbPvtJqxJf5oLXio6OITTVnfkRY2iT6yz eQQtZ2mzHKw= =9JFi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Debianists: On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Lars Wirzenius wrote: This discussion of the Qt copyright is beginning to sound like a flame war. Could we please end it and do something productive instead? Or, let's move it to debian-talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I've posted a comment there (and got it back, so the list is still operational), please check it out if you're still not burned out. - -- Sincerely yours, Max Hyre ** What's all this garbage at the bottom of my message? It's a security blanket for paranoids---ask me for details, or check out http://www.efh.org/pgp/ Key fingerprint = EFEC 0067 6803 852D B1DB 751E 6754 14EA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMpoQwfJa20+mce5pAQHCugP/b+DrraQ01qVJug56tLAnip9asfgCoLQY 0hO7vV0kFr1w25adzE1rW2Agbf8m/I9t5jBPMLynrAJattgKKtaOcFNkMipPJZ7p 4R0UxW9wD7x/MQPwuLjnXZSWj58IzzFwe5H+WyPknNq/mnphJUHnDtD9wirAQjjE kKo4j7Oq9tw= =4WQQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PHT's November 1996 Debian distribution---a few problems
Dear Debians: FWIW, here's a copy of mail I sent to Pacific HiTech. I upgraded by FTPing the a.out dpkg, and had enough spare disk space (recent drive upgrade :-), it'll probably disappear soon) to copy the CD .deb files into and repair the symlink problems by hand. I believe the release is 1.1.11. I used dselect to upgrade---a really nice job. Thanks to you all! Max Hyre --- Start of forwarded message --- Date: Mon, 25 Nov 96 17:27:02 EST From: Max Hyre mhyre To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A couple of problems with November 1996's Debian distribution -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Madam or Sir: I've just received the November 1997 issue of your Mo' Linux CD series. I bought it for the Debian 1.1 distribution it contains, but found a couple of problems, and an oversight: Problem 1: Two of the symbolic links are wrong: one is self-referencing, leading to an infinite link-loop, and the other is dangling, with the referenced file non-existent. These prevent the Debian installation program from running. Nothing to be done about it now, but could you run a check for such in the future? The Debian master site is updated frequently, and I presume that taking a snapshot can easily copy links in transition (to say nothing of the occasional just plain error :-)). (Sorry, I left my notes at home. If you need the exact filenames, mail me and I'll get back to you.) Problem 2: The upgrades/ directory is missing. This contains instructions and required software for upgrading a 0.x (such as my 0.93R6) installation to a 1.x (say, the 1.1.11 on your CD). Please include it in future Debian releases. Oversight: The contrib/ directory is missing. Note that it is freely-distributable files, they are just not actively maintained by the Debian organization. As a result, for instance, I couldn't install LyX, which depends on the xforms package, found among the contrib packages. Thanks for your kind attention to these items. Sincerely yours, Max Hyre ** What's all this garbage at the bottom of my message? It's a security blanket for paranoids---ask me for details, or check out http://www.efh.org/pgp/ Key fingerprint = EFEC 0067 6803 852D B1DB 751E 6754 14EA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMpoS/vJa20+mce5pAQE4zgP+P6vJ11AADxLUYTC9R/He9GJgyaEFSGS1 er7f1HPZZ6ALEs9dNOCfXEfhOe+Y4qyr4GLkY6R6+J7ne6MVwAOWfE6gqbronTVP HNZwHcZbXMiNs4e19Xy7hBG9xqsAEE/X/MLww0XV5tn+htza4T484Ydxq378pdaD H782tiB89tA= =T6yh -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- End of forwarded message --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 386 Dx-40
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear M[sr]. Lawson I just upgraded from a 386DX-25 on which I'd been running Linux (Debian 0.96R6) with no problem. I had 4 MB RAM and an aged RLL hard drive (100 MB). X would run, but so slowly that I didn't bother with it (but I also had a non-accelerated ISA video card with a whole 512 kbyte RAM). It wasn't a screamer, but I found it acceptable for TeX, mail, and occasional hacking. Other reports say that with more RAM (= 8 MB), even X is OK. I had to upgrade because it wouldn't run my 5-year-old daughter's educational games :-). Hope this helps. - -- Sincerely yours, Max Hyre ** What's all this garbage at the bottom of my message? It's a security blanket for paranoids---ask me for details, or check out http://www.efh.org/pgp/pgpwork.html Key fingerprint = EFEC 0067 6803 852D B1DB 751E 6754 14EA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMkk/LfJa20+mce5pAQFE4QQAq37H4wFfovBEVi0YDXdys+6yql65pcVe UxkU5de6TA2MDThBfTYgd7m2YovHtiGE4LRwC/EKI9Y1E+fQvsAMvyXFDvTVC2YS xl2Ze4hJcGiOms6eJGGGQ3Qj7tdj5jNrWiv+WojbVyy+8T8a3zVgUtX2fHxzKaMC ymC0gs8YTfA= =szDT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: files without package
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Andreas: Casper BodenCummins wrote: /usr/bin/[* This is junk. Blow it away. DON'T DO IT! Whew---sorry for shouting, but: This is indeed a file named ``['', and it's executable (hence the ``*'' in what must be an ls -lF listing). ``['' is a synonym for the ``test'' command, used in shell programming constructs such as: if [ -z `hostname` ]; then hostconfig -p bootparams fi (from my rc.boot file [I'm using Solaris at the moment, not Linux :-( ]). If you remove /bin/[, more stuff will break than you knew you had. FWIW, ``/etc/passwd~'' is the name emacs gives to a backup file when it's edited /etc/passwd. If you use emacs, that's where it came from. Maybe other editors use the same convention? For the rest, I can't help. Sincerely yours, Max Hyre ** What's all this garbage at the bottom of my message? It's a security blanket for paranoids---ask me for details, or check out http://www.efh.org/pgp/pgpwork.html Key fingerprint = EFEC 0067 6803 852D B1DB 751E 6754 14EA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMjA4UPJa20+mce5pAQFuqAP/XKHYOMS87IOHrzi6SYBRNfMp5JpgYfoR UxtplVqjGALkOJ2LUDZlyXRC+x5RBuHUhP+kgbgeCNFFOp+LdDvdqMJNlfK+yBCS CSU/4pWVNqIlNG3TX323haARB/sS2E+rtVh+mBP8qP0xHRifa9sl7qdjRyvycK4J tTUqFTQ4yjc= =amI0 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Fwd: Virus Alert]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Gentlefolk: The ``Good Times'' virus is a hoax, an urban legend. To quote from the CERT Coordination Center memo on the subject: The Good Times virus warnings are a hoax. People are circulating the warnings without verifying the information contained therein, thus leading to unnecessary worry and concern. Please do not circulate the Good Times warnings further. Please send this advisory on to anyone who has mail you such an advisory. For the full story, check one of: http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes09.shtml ftp://ciac.llnl.gov/pub/ciac/notes/notes09.txt where CIAC is the ``Computer Incident Advisory Capability'', and CERT may or may not be ``Computer Emergency Response Team'' :-). See also http://www.cert.org/cert.faqintro.html Question B9(c) for the above ``Good Times'' reference, and Question A4 for the name confusion. Sincerely yours, Max Hyre ** What's all this garbage at the bottom of my message? It's a security blanket for paranoids---ask me for details, or check out http://www.efh.org/pgp/pgpwork.html Key fingerprint = EFEC 0067 6803 852D B1DB 751E 6754 14EA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMhTP/fJa20+mce5pAQEvpQP+IG5JOFb7h37/QwVIh0PnELfprHu2N+2u OqK5y52Vsu5vIvYIrjuBlLaP2scGmxNGCt+2hbsb7eKkTBgq+Q8jhyjyXYkTjOWZ 81G5hIq62ZM9kqUCo9lGZyVNtZxMYRjyfyYEyAVuiRnCAGLjY4iqXfR3jpC/ZgLJ sSVSjy0kOMc= =u/bZ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: mounting other file systems (novell afs)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Mr. Hawkins: Re your need for Novell connectivity, I'm acquainted with two packages of interest (neither Debianized yet): ncpfs (Netware Core Protocol Filesystem) makes your Linux box a Novell client. I got version 0.21 running with minimial hassle last week, on my 0.93R6 box; I think the code's up to 0.24 now---it's a fast-moving target. I can read and write disks, which is everything desired; I'm a happy camper. An old LSM entry is: Title: ncpfs Version:0.17 Entered-date: 29. February 1996 Description:With ncpfs you can mount volumes of your netware server under Linux. You can also print to netware print queues and spool netware print queues to the Linux printing system. You need kernel 1.2.x or 1.3.54 and above. ncpfs does NOT work with any 1.3.x kernel below 1.3.54. Keywords: filesystem ncp novell netware printing Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Volker Lendecke) Maintained-by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Volker Lendecke) Primary-site: linux01.gwdg.de:/pub/ncpfs Alternate-site: sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/system/Filesystems/ ~81k ncpfs-0.17.tgz ~ 1k ncpfs-0.17.lsm Copying-policy: GPL mars-nwe (???-NetWare Emulator) lets your Linux box be a server to NetWare clients. I have no further info on it since that's not anything I need. You can join the Linware mailing list for more info on either: To join, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following command in the body of your email message: add your email address linware Hope this helps. Sincerely yours, Max Hyre -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMccGnfJa20+mce5pAQHU9QP+KWGntawHZnc5nwOB3PpCE1Kiy0KeI5Va 87nL7yi2Rj9yXsx6McKnsP/0tKIEJNYVA5AQ7UV83tK0h1gciGeQq8k8CNsOG2xG JlwvpmKJqqieJR+Mm7DNbiHU6xyfXsF4DmEXJ2ybDbPAwIy/E6uGNA8jFja4r94T xvzKevMUaJk= =VkpS -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: mounting other file systems (novell afs)
Dear Mr. Jensen: Ncpfs *is* available as a Debian package. You mean I compiled and monkeyed with it for nothing :-)? Oh, well Max Hyre
X-window keys (was: Re: Unidentified subject!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Debianists: While we're on the subject, does anyone have any suggestions as to why ctl-alt-bs might not kill X? I was running a 0.93R6 system, started X with xdm from a (non-root, I think) command line, but could't get out as advertised. I tried both the backspace key above the return, and ctl-alt-H (just in case ctl-H might have something to do with it). I ended up doing ctl-alt-Fx to a virtual terminal, ps to find X's pid, then killing that. Any thoughts welcome. Thanks in advance, Max Hyre -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMcF3OfJa20+mce5pAQEtXgQAp2iH4AixSzDMqul9EXRsrUf6rcRU+v1A GrHXdGfmFLCsnODitW4TirJLgPBWV0N2LQWxBprex55dwC6bGX43O7pB1AmGXLf9 d6/4jDNdk19NoOssWUDnKVnkF2Lm5KpvgpNPuSEUAVlzlQpha5S+yi4RmX5brgnb 4BRkb1GmHbY= =X+DP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: X-window keys
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Debianites: Let me clarify my previous post... (I just thought to go back and try it for accuracy---maybe next time I'll think to do so *before* posting :-).) why ctl-alt-bs might not kill X? Rather, ``why X comes right back after dying''? After ctl-alt-bs, X does indeed appear to die---everything goes black, I see the virtual terminal from which I started xdm momentarily, then I'm back in X again. (non-root, I think) I thunk wrong---it was from a root command prompt, and I had to start another root command prompt to kill it as outlined previously. Again, thanks for your help. Sincerely, Max Hyre -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMcF7B/Ja20+mce5pAQFUfgP+MUrISOAPFItzGh4lJtZEO4oPAtQZI7lh s2PuCbjAYQlL6TiwOWHuSqWfoMa+FT8pcoY0SwbafKz0kVq/aDeVtvESdPCD4+He hnkOucsKC5CS0AvxwvXN6uUl2ZOqtcplB3IsJo5NERpJZICu55ytdkabrMOcO56w T27/bmVKiUQ= =VcKU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
