Re: mutt and Return-path
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 02:09:11PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 07:29:01PM +0100, M. Mueller wrote: > > > > Indeed. Currently I am setting From and Return-path to the same values > > in the default values and the folder-hook values > > > > Is Return-path necessary? It seems redundant. Your description doesn't > > imply that it's necessary. I'll read the RFC. Thanks. > > I wouldn't have thought that the MUA should set Return-Path at all; it's > not its job. A brief glance at the mutt source shows no code that seems > to set Return-Path. Just leave it out of your .muttrc altogether? That's what I started out doing. I sent two messages to my virtual web host email account. The first did not have Return-path set in .muttrc. The second _did_ have the Return-path set in .muttrc. Only the second message made it through. The Return-path value on the receive side was the same as the value inserted by Mutt. Results suggest Return-path value must be valid. I am using nullmailer as my MTA. Maybe there is some way to have the MTA set the Return-path value based on the From value. It appears that if I add the Return-path value, then nullmailer doesn't alter what I put in. What would exim do in this scenario? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mutt and Return-path
My new mutt install is not getting mail to all destinations. I notice that Return-path on mutt mails is set to an unresolvable name: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could some mail nodes along the way be rejecting the mail because of the Return-path value? In .muttrc I set: my_hdr Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then emails started getting through. Is there significance to the Return-path value? -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mutt sending help
I am beginning to use Mutt and nullmailer. Nullmailer is sending via smtp.myisp.com. I successfully sent email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] from mutt. I cannot send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with mutt. I noticed the Return-path field in message from Mutt contain [EMAIL PROTECTED] knoppix is the user account I'm currently logged in to and edison is the hostname of the node I am using. Could the exim box at my webhost be rejecting my Mutt/nullmailer generated mail because of the unresolvable Return-path information? If so, is mutt making the Return-path field or nullmailer? Is there a way to get a resolvable value into the Return-path field? Thanks -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and Knoppix.
On Saturday 17 January 2004 00:15, Uwe Dippel wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:10:07 +0100, Bob Hentges wrote: > > Yes, Knoppix will allow you, as far as I know, to use apt-get and all of > > its features. > > > > Thought i don't know how it will behave if you try an apt-get > > dist-upgrade, as their are some Knoppix-only packages, as for instance > > knx-alsa. > > Very well. It behaves very well. Did it for KONOPPIX 19-11-03 and does > everything as expected. I did it on a Toshiba A35-S159. I am writing a HOWTO but its not published yet. Here's a good Knoppix to HDD HOWTO (slow link, be patient): http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-knoppix After it's installed: apt-get update apt-get -u upgrade; use "D" to examine configuration file differences and make informed decisions; if in doubt select "N" for no changes restart Linux install I found that I got a repeating message on console screen: ttyS0: LSR safety check engaged! Googling got this: login as root, "setserial /dev/ttyS0 autoconfig" stops message After I was in and annoying message was stopped, I read /var/log/syslog found the "brltty" found /dev/ttyS0 is not a tty and that the TSI driver was giving up; sometimes this was followed by a LSR safety check engaged! message remove brltty (braille tty) with:apt-get remove brltty restart voila! no more repeating "LSR safety check engaged!" messages My guess is that the winmodem in the laptop created this problem. Good luck. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maildirmake
On Thursday 15 January 2004 02:23, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:37:16AM -0500, Mike Mueller wrote: > > On Wednesday 14 January 2004 04:59, Kevin Mark wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 02:39:21PM -0500, Mike Mueller wrote: > > 4. throw in spam filtering > > you can do basic spam filtering with procmail OR add other > stuff-spamassasin... Answers that question before I asked it. Thanks. > > > 5. MUA->nullmailer->SMTP Smart Relay > > dont know what this is. SMTP-smarthost, the server at smtp.myisp.com > > > I am avoiding sendmail because (IMO) it's big and does things I don't > > need. > > it was MY choice but it is not DEBIAN's default. exim3 or 4 can be > configured with d-u peoples' help in a flash. Will go read up on exim then - being attracted to the "flash" part of the deal. > > > I wish I could find the Young Folks Book of OSS Email Solutions with big > > colorful pictures and simple statements about the benefits and drawbacks > > of each configuration (links appreciated). Without that book I am left > > to assemble what I think is the simplest collection of tools for my > > situation in a trial-and-error fashion. At the outset, by using getmail, > > I am faced with the daunting choice of mbox versus maildirs. Great. All > > I need is a controversy. > > I think these become more of an issue when you want to: store GB of > mail, backup GB of mail or do custom searches of GB of mail. maildir is > better for those. there is also noproblem with mbox<->maildir conversion > if ever there is a need. This is the benefit of open source. choices and > freedom. I am reading GB == Gigabytes, meaning lots of it. Choices and freedom are good. I'm still learning to manage it. Thinking is hard and time-consuming. Can't I just buy a decision or have a politician tell me what's good ;-). > as I said before, after you set up the procmail script and setup either > a file or a directory, procmail will do what you said. no need to do > anything else. OK. I'll try that next. > > SO, if you do: > touch /home/$USER/mail/debian-user > you have made a mbox > if you do: > mkdir /home/$USER/mail/debian-user > you have made a maildir > voila! mbox is a file with each message being an entry into the file (there's some sort of index into the file?), maildir is a directory system with each mail being a file. (No day is a waste when you learn something.) procmail must create the /tmp, /cur, /new subdirs. > I started out with mbox and still use it. but one day I will take the > maildir plunge. with maildir there are many benefits. Upon installing getmail there was a configuration message basically saying getmail doesn't support mbox and that mbox is fraught with peril, and so began my exposure to maildir. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maildirmake
On Wednesday 14 January 2004 04:59, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 02:39:21PM -0500, Mike Mueller wrote: > > I am a MTA/MDA/MUA email noob. I am doing things piecemeal to understand > > the functioning of each component. > > How are maildir and folders usually set up? With an MUA? > > -- > > Hi Mike, > here is something I recall. > I have sendmail and procmail and fetchmail. > fetchmail (using cron) get my email and passes it to sendmail for local > delivery. Sendmail using procmail to sortout what to do with my mail and > where to drop it. > so: > fetchmail->sendmail->procmail->mailboxes Thanks for the reply Kevin. I was thinking about doing this: 1. POP3->getmail->mailboxes 2. POP3->getmail->procmail->mailboxes 3. POP3->getmail->procmail->mailboxes<-MUA (Mutt for example) 4. throw in spam filtering 5. MUA->nullmailer->SMTP Smart Relay I am avoiding sendmail because (IMO) it's big and does things I don't need. I wish I could find the Young Folks Book of OSS Email Solutions with big colorful pictures and simple statements about the benefits and drawbacks of each configuration (links appreciated). Without that book I am left to assemble what I think is the simplest collection of tools for my situation in a trial-and-error fashion. At the outset, by using getmail, I am faced with the daunting choice of mbox versus maildirs. Great. All I need is a controversy. Long discussion on debian-devel on maildirmake: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200306/msg01420.html Tools for converting mbox to maildir: http://qmail.mscnetworks.com/top.html#maildir As I go through the steps above I wonder where the mailboxes come from. The various agents need to know about the mailboxes (obviously). So the choices are: 1. use maildirmake which is not a part of base debian; I suppose I could load in qmail and get it, but drag in that monster for a script? Should I ask the Debian getmail package maintainer to include maildirmake? 2. create them manually which worked; still haven't found how folders are specified but I have found some source code to read; not enthused about reading source when I'm in the noob stage; never enthused about reading PERL ;-) 3. start learning Mutt and use it to create maildir targets; haven't really got the hang of getmail yet and now I've got to get Mutt out of the box? it's probably not that hard In the end, 3. is probably the preferred choice. Then you modify the procmail recipes to use the new mail folder as desired. I haven't actually done this yet, I am plotting a course. > this is a portion of my .procmailrc > -- > > PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin > MAILDIR=$HOME/mail > DEFAULT=$HOME/mbox > LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/rules/from > > :0 c > > $MAILDIR/backup > > :0 > > * ^To:.*perlsemny > $MAILDIR/monthly/perlsemny > > :0 > > * ^From:.*handspring > $MAILDIR/other/handspring > -- > Here is sort of an answer to your question. > the 'mail rule' ^To:.*perlsemny asks if the message is from someone with > the address containing the word 'perlsemny'. if it does it moves the > mail into $MAILDIR/monthly/perlsemny. > if $MAILDIR/monthly/perlsemny is a file, then > the mail is saved in mbox format inside the file. > BUT if it is a directory, the mail is > saved in maildir format inside the directory. > This is how things work with procmail. > -Kev Are you using mbox or maildir? -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
maildirmake
I am a MTA/MDA/MUA email noob. I am doing things piecemeal to understand the functioning of each component. I've got getmail pulling from a POP3 account. I had to create my Maildir manually: mkdir Maildir mkdir Mail/dir/new mkdir Mail/dir/tmp mkdir Mail/dir/cur I found a file in ~/Maildir/new after running getmail. It was the email I sent intentionally from another machine running KMail. I don't have/can't find maildirmake on my Knoppix/Sid system or my Woody system. I do not have an MUA installed. How are maildir and folders usually set up? With an MUA? -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sources.list conversion
On Wednesday 07 January 2004 15:03, John Gilger wrote: > Mike Mueller wrote: > >I installed Knoppix 3.3 to disk on my laptop. When I try "apt-cache > > search blah" I get lots of messages like "W: Couldn't stat source package > > list ". > > > >I examined /etc/apt/sources.list and found lots of .de sites. I am > > located in .us. Is this the source of the problem? Are there lots of > > mirrors still offline because of the compromise last year? > > > >FWIW, Knoppix 3.3 is Sid-based. > > I installed Knoppix 3.3 on my desktop and all I did was run 'apt-get > update'. There are a couple of debian.people sites that return a 404, > but everything else seems to work OK. > > I am running a cable modem -- if band-width makes any difference, but I > don't think it does. > > John Gilger > Freelance Wordsmith > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wordsmith.jgilger.com That did it. Thanks. I am running cable modem too. I also got the 404. I think the update would have taken a lot longer over a dialup connection. (I received this off-list. I am putting it back on the list because it is useful information.) -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sources.list conversion
On Wednesday 07 January 2004 23:38, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Mike Mueller: > > I installed Knoppix 3.3 to disk on my laptop. When I try "apt-cache > > search blah" I get lots of messages like "W: Couldn't stat source package > > list ". > > > > I examined /etc/apt/sources.list and found lots of .de sites. I am > > located in .us. Is this the source of the problem? Are there lots of > > mirrors still > > Try apt-setup. It'll ask you where you are and try to figure out best > mirrors for you. I believe it will know you're using sid by looking > at your /etc/debian-version /etc/debian_version contains "testing/unstable" I moved the existing sources.list to soures.list.old. apt-setup created a new sources.list with entries for stable. This is my first exposure to unstable so maybe I should go do some research on how to manage the unstable release. Any suggestions? -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sources.list conversion
I installed Knoppix 3.3 to disk on my laptop. When I try "apt-cache search blah" I get lots of messages like "W: Couldn't stat source package list ". I examined /etc/apt/sources.list and found lots of .de sites. I am located in .us. Is this the source of the problem? Are there lots of mirrors still offline because of the compromise last year? FWIW, Knoppix 3.3 is Sid-based. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Investigation Report after Server Compromises
On Monday 08 December 2003 18:20, Colin Watson wrote: > You can go further by requiring physical presentation > of smartcards or similar in order to use the key, which is less > convenient but makes a passphrase more or less useless on its own. Aren't smartcards similar to dongles in some respects? They both have a guard point in the software that identifies good guys and bad guys. If so, then given that dongles are reverser bait, won't smartcards meet the same fate as dongles? They'll become a wall trophy over the mantle of a reverser. It seems that anyone capable of a stack overflow exploit is also capable of reversing out a smartcard checkpoint. Please tell me I'm being too negative. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Night mare to set day light savings time
On Thursday 13 November 2003 13:31, Gary Hennigan wrote: > This is all apart from the hardware/BIOS clock. The hardware clock > only matters at boot time and shutdown time. Once you get the time set > correctly in Linux you can synch your hardware clock using the > command: > > hwclock --systohc 1. sync system clock to banchmark using NTP (ntpdate - The ntpdate client for setting system time from NTP servers) http://www.ntp.org/ 2. use command above 3. do this periodically with cron or aperiodically manually 4. forget about annoying timeshifts -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
On Sunday 09 November 2003 03:48, Karsten M. Self wrote: > See: > > http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/FreeSoftwarePrimer > > Both standards *and* free software matter. Nice link - thanks. I've been looking for something like this but I didn't know how to ask for it. I've read some things on the list and can't wait to read through the others. I hope to be enlightened concerning open software economics. For example, borrowing a topic from a thread that was forked from this thread - gaming. The conclusions I draw with my current understanding of economics and technology are that native-Linux gaming will not thrive until there is a standard Linux gaming system configuration and if that happens, some good games will be closed-source-not-free-as-in-beer. The OSS community values diversity and adapts to it. Commercial concerns are learning how to do this and hopefully they will not wreck the community of individuals as they stumble around. I doubt that the set of useful closed source software will empty for quite a while. I believe that closed source software native to an OSS environment is economically necessary and it increases the value of the OSS environment despite its potential and hidden evils. BTW, more on-topic, IBM, in a not too surprising turn of events, says Linux on the desktop makes sense in lots of situations. IBM undertands that most people only read or listen to headlines. RH, hopefully now understands this important fact of PR. http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5104650.html?tag=nefd_top -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
On Saturday 08 November 2003 17:49, Edward Murrell wrote: > Click'n'Drool interface I just can't stop chuckling. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
On Friday 07 November 2003 13:27, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > As in "proprietary, closed-source apps"? > > > > > > Well, that depends on if you see them as a "problem", or something > > > that you prefer not to use. > > Personally I haven't really made my mind up about prioprietry apps, and > > whether RMS is right or not. However, the success of Linux is widely > > attributed to the open-source development model, so I can't really see > > the future of Linux throwing it away. > > I'm all for the open-source development model. However, we must > respect that some companies want to keep their source closed, and > still sell to the Linux market. I'm fascinated with this question from a practical perspective. The RMS model works when producers can afford to present a gift or when a community organizes to accomplish a goal (barn-raising, for example). Let's say you're a barn builder. People need barns and are used to buying barns now-a-days. You go around to the community and suggest a community barn-raising project. Everyone agrees but you soon find out the participants are barn users and not barn builders. The community is more than happy to use the barn you give them for free if you'll do it for free. You talk to your family and they remind you that they'll starve if you build barns for free. So you offer to build barns for a price and you find that people are willing to buy the barns because they don't want to learn barn-building. The quilting bee in the church basement, on the other hand, is a well-oiled machine because there are enough quilters that can do the work and enjoy it and they all get quilts out of the deal which is good because it gets chilly at night around there. So they turn up regularly to quilt and talk trash about the people that are not quilters - especially that barn builder that first said he was going to build a free barn for everybody in town but later changed his mind and how he should just get a barn-raising group together and everybody should help to build barns for everone in the group just like they do with quilts. I can relate to the barn builder in my own endeavors. I sure like that quilt on my bed too. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
On Thursday 06 November 2003 14:27, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > So, yes: It seems it makes some sense what the RedHat chief executive > said. If your brother or sister starts a new venture, you wouldn't use the local newspaper to say that their venture is immature and folks should check back in a few years. That makes sense and it's true, but if you did, your brother or sister would be terribly hurt and angry. (I use "you" in the general sense and not in the directly personal sense.) I'm working hard to create a widget that runs on Linux. Others are doing the same. We don't need Mr RH CEO working with Bill and Darryl to tarnish the reputation of good software because it changes their world. MBA-boy screwed up with his public passive-aggressive comments. What next from RH - a public admission that Linux really does infringe on SCO property rights? Hell has no wrath like a CEO scorned. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
On Wednesday 05 November 2003 19:27, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > Not all of us care whether or not it becomes a > desktop leader. Not all of us want it to be easy enough to use that our > moms are comfortable -- not if that means sacrificing security, > stability, or our beloved command line and text configuration files. Second that. Mr. RH CEO tastes sour grapes because IBM dropped US$50M into Novell effectively choosing SuSE's dance card over the RH's. Mr. RH CEO peed into the OSS well. He should have kept his mouth shut. Then again he might be positioning RH for sale to M$. And now for some hand-wringing about Debian in the enterprise: http://www.enterprise-linux-it.com/perl/story/22602.html -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian daemon init
On Thursday 16 October 2003 03:17, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 12:32:28AM -0400, Mike Mueller wrote: > > Is it the job of the package maintainer of a daemon (for example > > OpenSSH) to adapt whatever initialization the upstream developer > > creates (BSD in this case I imagine) to the Debian style of System V > > init? > > Yes. The OpenSSH package maintainers (of which I'm one) do exactly this. I am the upstream developer of a daemon. The Debian init interface seems well designed. I was able to integrate my daemon with the Debian init smoothly. The start-stop-daemon and update-rc.d tools are very handy. Especially when compared to the RedHat distro init methods. As I integrate my daemon into RH I wish I had start-stop-daemon and update-rc.d. I don't think taking update-rc.d to RH will pay a dividend since it's used once. OTOH. taking start-stop-daemon to RH might pay off. Should I do this, or has it been done? The first 100 hits on googling on "start-stop-daemon redhat" don't suggest that porting start-stop-daemon to RH has been done. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian daemon init
Is it the job of the package maintainer of a daemon (for example OpenSSH) to adapt whatever initialization the upstream developer creates (BSD in this case I imagine) to the Debian style of System V init? -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Nics.
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 18:29, Edward Murrell wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 01:56, David Palmer. wrote: > > But as all of this is going to applied later in a commercial > > environment, I was wondering if anybody would be able to advise as to a > > decent make of commercial standard Nics. > > First off, avoid anything with a realtek chipset. That should avoid 90% > of problems. > > Depending on the price performance ratio, I've found CNet PRO 200s to be > good at the cheap end (Davicom chipset - dmfe driver). I have three of > these in one of my routers, which has been running nonstop for a good > three years now. They handle medium amounts of traffic fairly well, but > I wouldn't use them in my main server, where high CPU usage could impact > their performance. > > If you need good 100mbps performance under load, you can't go wrong with > Intel. The 3Com 3c905Bs I use in my workstations also seem to take > anything I can throw at them (including trying to run Q3A X11/OpenGL > over a network, just to see if I could ;). > > DEC Tulips (if you can find them) in my experiance are picky. When they > work, they work brilliantly, but I've always had major issues with full > duplex settings, and getting them to not kill the interface when the > cable is unplugged (which also does fun things like stop the DHCP > server). > > Edward Here's a link that supports what's said here (http://www.fefe.de/linuxeth/). I especially like the link within the page that points to detailed description of why Realtek is much hated. I have too many Realteks. I bought them in an attempt to build the world's cheapest servers. I don't stress the NICs very hard so they chug along. They are CPU cycle theives however and that directly affects what I am trying to do. They will get replaced when I get back to performance analysis. If you are trying to build a cheap workstation then the Realtek NIC can save you a _few_ monetary units. Keep in mind that everytime you ask for help with those NICs you'll get chastised. IIRC, in the .config for the kernel the rtl drivers are suppressed as options unless you choose: # # Code maturity level options # CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y How's that for a subtle message from the kernel wizards? Realtek is _real_ cheap. But if you bang your head on them from functional problems and they rob you of performance even when they are working satisfactorily, the savings are questionable. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to kill X?
On Sunday 05 October 2003 06:02, Neo wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 13:37, cr wrote: > > I just had a sieze in X, and Ctrl-Alt-F? had no effect, > > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace was the only key combination that worked. Is there > > any setting that will restore its function of 'kill X but don't reboot > > the machine' or any other key combination that achieves that? > > try loging in remotely and run '/etc/init.d/dm stop'. > (Fill in your running favorite display manager) I had a long run of X siezures where I could remote in sometimes and sometimes not. Sometimes I had to reset and fsck. No key sequences on the siezed machine had any effect other than expressing my frustration. FWIW, I changed my workstation from a machine with a crappy bare-bones video card (Trident) to a machine with a less crappy bare bones video card (ATI Rage something or another). That put a stop to the X siezures. Not an elegant solution admittedly but I was able to run two desktops side by side and compare stability. I was not able to find any direct evidence that positively suggested that I should change video cards. Good luck. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone else notice that Swen is slowing down?
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 19:53, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 12:11:16PM -0400, Mike Mueller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 September 2003 02:05, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > Seems > > > like about the only way we're going to get a reasonable handle on this > > > barring ISPs refusing to carry executables in email format. > > > > Hear! Hear! No more attachments - period. I'll settle for elimination > > of any known sort of executable though. > > No. > > Specifically: executables. Various other mail 'sploits -- there are > some header buffer overflows, IIRC affecting LookOut -- exist and should > be filtered as well. But specifically, AUPs against transmission of > executable content, and concomittant filtering, would serve a useful > purpose. There are opaque formats, from zip to tarball to encrypted > payloads, which can be used by those sufficiently clueful to handle the > task appropriately. > > MIME attachments of themselves serve many useful functions. There's an > awful lot of baby in that bathwater. Starting with the signature on > this message. The thing I find fascinating is that if you imagine all email attachments eliminated indiscriminately, there is always a work-around using currently available techniques. It seems that the safest form of information push is unformatted text. If a richer set of information is needed then pull techniques are available. Fixing bad stuff from pull-sources would be easier that stopping bad stuff from push sources. The sacrifice is convenience - or is it? Less Swen-like items in my mailbox would be convenient. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone else notice that Swen is slowing down?
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 02:05, Karsten M. Self wrote: > Seems > like about the only way we're going to get a reasonable handle on this > barring ISPs refusing to carry executables in email format. Hear! Hear! No more attachments - period. I'll settle for elimination of any known sort of executable though. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ip_forwarding in kernel
Can anyone provide history on why CONFIG_IP_FORWARD no longer exists in the kernel config. The function is now controlled with /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward - is this correct? Maybe some googling hints? I am reading modem, ppp, dialin howtos. I came across the change as a result of reading those docs. Thanks. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Burned by domain name registrar for $150, suggestions?
On Friday 19 September 2003 19:29, Pigeon wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 03:56:03PM -0400, Mike Mueller wrote: > > If the fee is a result of the domain name expiring and this is a > > "special" reinstatement fee, then it seems usary to me. > > > Usury means interest. Perhaps "extortion"? > > > In days gone by English businessmen took seriously the many Biblical > prohibitions of usury - and got around them by importing Jews to do it. > Mispelled and misused. Inexcusable. I found a reference that claims usuary was forbidden by Jews, Islamists, and Christians (http://www.bartleby.com/65/in/interest.html). Usuary can mean the practive of charging more than the legal amount of interest. It was this sense of the word I was reaching for. As you point out, however, the fee is better described as extortion. My English is a bit better now. Thank you. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Burned by domain name registrar for $150, suggestions?
On Friday 19 September 2003 01:25, Paul Mackinney wrote: > My domain name registrar, Names4Ever.com, burned me be invoicing me at a > stale email address, failing to contact me by phone or postal service, > and canceling my domain name when I didn't renew. Now they tell me that > to reinstate it I have to pay $150 that goes to ICANN/Network Solutions > in order to remove it from "redemption" status. To add insult to injury, > they made me send a check--they wouldn't accept a credit card because > too many of their customers have been doing charge-backs on the $150 > fee. > > So I'm out $150 and all of my inbound email is bouncing until my domain > name comes back on line. I'm totally PO'd, but as I understand it, my > only other option is to wait a month or so until ICANN takes it out of > "redemption" status and hope no one else snags my domain name. I can't > afford to to this, I'm out of work and may already have lost job offers. I am marveling at the $150 for a domain name. I pay less than $10 each for mine. If the fee is a result of the domain name expiring and this is a "special" reinstatement fee, then it seems usary to me. However, they may be well within their rights to act like complete jerks. > > My questions are: > > 1. Do I have any recourse agains Names4Ever, other than writing them > nasty letters? They're based in San Diego, CA, also known as APlus.Net. If so it would probably cost you more than it was worth to pursue. > > 2. Once my domain is registered again, can it be transfered to a > different registrar without a loss of service. Recommendations? I'd like > to go with a business that thinks you should make a second attempt to > contact someone if an email bounces. Yes. I've done exactly this. It takes a week or two to churn through the system. The change occured without _noticeable_ loss of service. I was responsible for ensuring the new resgistrar's records pointed to my web host's servers. I use a budget registrar from whom I expect no courtesy or special treatment. I mark the anniversaries of my domains in a paper calender (I've broken two Palm Pilots - I'm done with those gadgets). > Chaulk it up to training. Training is not free (as in beer). And you shared it. Hope you find work soon. It sucks being between jobs involuntarily. I know. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles with your right foot. Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xfree86 security update overwrites XF86Config-4
On Monday 15 September 2003 16:47, Alvin Oga wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Matthias Czapla wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I just want to say... ARRRGHHH! > > since X11 is sometimes messy always do: > root# cp -p /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.works > root# cp -p /etc/X11/XF86Config /etc/X11/XF86Config.works > root# cp -p /usr/X11/bin/XFree86 /usr/X11/bin/XFree86.works > > and save the binary of where "X" points to > /usr/X11/bin/X -> XFree86 > > - it will save your butt on day... unless fiddling w/ X11 is fun .. ymmv > > c ya > alvin I did an security upgrade this evening and sure enough, the method described above saved my butt. After the upgrade I rebooted (120 packages were affected so I thought it was a prudent action). After that X was sluggish on things that worked while other things just didn't work. I managed to get an xterm working so used it to restore the XF86Config-4 and then rebooted again. The system worked normally after that. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles on the floor with your right foot; now, without looking at your foot, use the index finger on your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xfree86 security update overwrites XF86Config-4
On Monday 15 September 2003 16:47, Alvin Oga wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Matthias Czapla wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I just want to say... ARRRGHHH! > > since X11 is sometimes messy always do: > root# cp -p /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.works > root# cp -p /etc/X11/XF86Config /etc/X11/XF86Config.works > root# cp -p /usr/X11/bin/XFree86 /usr/X11/bin/XFree86.works > > and save the binary of where "X" points to > /usr/X11/bin/X -> XFree86 > > - it will save your butt on day... unless fiddling w/ X11 is fun .. ymmv > Thank you. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles on the floor with your right foot; now, without looking at your foot, use the index finger on your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
On Thursday 28 August 2003 18:05, Mark Ferlatte wrote: > John Hasler said on Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 04:16:28PM -0500: > > Mark Ferlatte writes: > > > If your company tolerates internal politics, well, you're going to be > > > in trouble when your competitor, who doesn't tolerate that kind of > > > crap, comes along. > > > > There are no organizations without internal politics. > > Okay. I disagree (and am happily working for one with a stated policy > against ... It appears to be true that "There are no organizations without internal politics." -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles on the floor with your right foot; now, without looking at your foot, use the index finger on your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
On Thursday 28 August 2003 10:55, Tom Badran wrote: > On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 14:36, Mike Mueller wrote: > > On Thursday 28 August 2003 05:18, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > > The One True Editor > > > > vi - for C, C++, Python, DocBook, HTML, whatever... > > that be smelling like petrol to me ..... c'mon, c'mon (he-he) -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles on the floor with your right foot; now, without looking at your foot, use the index finger on your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
On Thursday 28 August 2003 05:18, Alex Malinovich wrote: > The One True Editor vi - for C, C++, Python, DocBook, HTML, whatever... -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles on the floor with your right foot; now, without looking at your foot, use the index finger on your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 19:12, Paul M Foster wrote: > Plus, I don't and never have liked the iostreams. They're clunky > compared to printf() for most things. And exceptions are a pain in the > butt, and no one seems to have a definitive answer on when to and when > not to use them. Amen brother! I've done formated output with iostreams and it's like you say - clunky. iostreams didn't make things better, it made them diferent - like I need more crap in my head. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles on the floor with your right foot; now, without looking at your foot, use the index finger on your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 11:05, Gregory Seidman wrote: > The only reason you can't find documentation for C++ libraries is because > you haven't looked. Stop spreading misinformation and STFW. Explore the > URLs below. > > http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/ That link is not that helpful in learning STL. Neither is the deadtree STL Tutorial and Ref. by Musser et al. This book is good: http://www.josuttis.com/libbook/ -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles on the floor with your right foot; now, without looking at your foot, use the index finger on your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 07:27, Paul Johnson wrote: > I do have to ask this one: It's possible to write > non-braindamaged code in C++ without learning C first? Yes. But I think it's more fun to learn OO using Python than it is using C++. And now to over-analyse the term "brain-damaged". Mixing C style (e.g., functions and data structures) and techniques (e.g., CPU and memory awareness) in C++ code (with its abstractions using hierarchical objects and templates) is "brain-damaged" to some critics. But even if you use C++ correctly, your object space may be conceived in a way that is different from how you critic perceives the object space. In this case your code will be "brain-damaged" Solution? Learn C because it's the lingua franca and it works well. The OO learning curve with Python is manageable, so learn Python to build OO solutions. Java is probably a great OO choice too - I haven't cracked that nut yet. The Sun control of Java seems a little...closed...to me. C++ works perfectly for me precisely because it is a mixes C and C++ so easily. I work on a bit-oriented protocol (C part) that I manage with some OO techniques (C++ part). I think my code will earn a place of honor in the "brain-damaged" C++ hall of fame. Recently SCO showed some "offending" code and the chuck was determined to be a memory allocator written by some UNIX and C progenitors. Linus said it was removed from 2.6 by someone because it was judged to be "ugly". Ugly. Brain-damaged. Crappy. Nasty. What's the difference? Code that is deemed beautiful or clever is often either incomprehensible or obvious. Code that works is a gift. -- Mike Mueller 324881 (08/20/2003) Make clockwise circles on the floor with your right foot; now, without looking at your foot, use the index finger on your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla printer problems
On Sunday 24 August 2003 16:27, Kevin McKinley wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:58:42 -0400
>
> Mike Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Saturday 23 August 2003 09:37, Tom Allison wrote:
> > > this is my current printer configuration in Mozilla.
> > > lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME}
> >
> > Firebird would not print for me. I use cups. Changing "lpr" to "lp"
> > enabled printing for me.
>
> Did you leave the rest of the line as above?
>
> Kevin
Roger that. Affirmative.
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Re: Mozilla printer problems
On Saturday 23 August 2003 09:37, Tom Allison wrote:
> this is my current printer configuration in Mozilla.
> lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME}
Firebird would not print for me. I use cups. Changing "lpr" to "lp" enabled
printing for me.
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Re: icewm menu questions
On Friday 22 August 2003 12:10, Colin Watson wrote: > There's a clever package called menu that mediates all of this A bit under-stated I think. Damn clever's more like it. A regulator that ensures fair competition and reliable interoperability. Hmmm Also found these in looking in the previously suggested areas: 1) file:///usr/share/doc/menu/html/index.html 2) man update-menu -- Mike Mueller Registration No. 324881 (08/20/2003) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
icewm menu questions
For stable, in the icewm package, does the /etc/X11/icewm/programs file come out-of-the-box filled with KDE apps loaded in, or is the programs file built during installation from programs it finds available? I was using KDE and then loaded icewm. I found that the icewm menu offers access to all the K-apps. Later on, I loaded OpenOffice. Much to my surprise I found the icewm menus were modified for all the OpenOffice apps. It's mind-boggling to me that the OpenOffice folks would recognized the lesser-known icewm and correctly manage the menu configuration. But wait, could this be the Debian package maintainer adding this bit of magic (http://openoffice.debian.net/)? In contrast to the experiences described above is what happened when I loaded Mozilla-Firebird from the upstream source. No Mozilla entries were added to the icewm menu. I manually changed the icewm configuration in my user account disk space to launch Mozilla from the menu. So a pattern emerges (albiet sparse) suggesting that the app Debian Package maintainer is responsible for hooking all the Debian supported window managers and desktops for their supported package. Conversely, wm/desktop maintainers are responsible for dynamically building a menu that hooks all the currently installed apps on the machine. Is this how things work in Debian? No small task if it is. -- Mike Mueller Registration No. 324881 (08/20/2003) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gtk details
I am running Stable. I just ran "apt-get install gimp1.2". Then I ran gimp from the commandline and got: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display I rebooted and run gimp from the commandline and it comes up with no problem. This question got asked recently on this list: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg51530.html I use kdm and icewm. Logging out of icewm does not stop X does it? The reboot was my clumsy way of restarting X. So, why does restarting X fix the problem above? Is this a Gtk-ism? -- Mike Mueller Registration No. 324881 (08/20/2003) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: INVESTMENT
On Sunday 17 August 2003 12:55, Wayne Gemmell wrote: > I seem to get one of these everyday these days. > I think its an epidemic!! > > Wayne > > On Sunday 17 August 2003 18:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Attn: Sir/Madam, > > > > My name is Mr. Richard Cole chairman of contract award and monitoring Perversely, I've been collecting these things since Feb. 2003. The frequency has increased significantly since July. I've gotten no duplications sent on different days. Is some idiot actually falling for this crap? At some point I'll add up all the amounts of monies that've been pilfered from Africa and report it to the authorities :-). Is Arthur Anderson still in business in Africa? -- Mike Mueller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Turn on the service
On Friday 15 August 2003 13:31, Victory wrote: > How to install and turn on/off rsh, telnet and ftp server/service for > Debian 3.0r1??? I am new to Debian any reason not to choose ssh and scp for remote access and file transfer? -- Mike Mueller I've often heard of companies having a crack legal team, but this is the first time that I've heard of one being on crack. - Comment on SCO's legal team by Hieronymus Howard on /. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Beginning Linux Programming(THANK YOU)
On Sunday 15 June 2003 20:53, Bob Proulx wrote: > Tinus wrote: > > Kevin wrote: > > > Tinus wrote: > > > > Can somebody advise a tutorial for the make/configure part? The > > > > programming C part I already have covered. > > > > > > I believe the make/configure process is generally known as autoconf; > > > googling for "GNU autoconf" gets many hits, at least one of which is a > > > tutorial. > > > > Thanx for the advice. Really got scared when I quicly browser thourgh > > kpopup's configure file, counted 25000+ lines just to compile!!! ;-) > > > :-) chuckle, chuckle. No need to be worried about that. The > > configure script is a machine generated file. Machine generated files > are rarely fun to look at. The configure.ac file is the input file. > The .ac part for autoconf. > > This is the book you want to learn about autoconf, automake and > libtool which together are known as the autotools. The book is > available both as a browsable online version and as a physical paper > version. > > http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/ > > The autotools can be installed on Debian easily. > > apt-get install autoconf automake > > There is also another template based project generator called > autoproject. I can't say as I like the output which is generated from > a stylistic viewpoint. But 'autoproject' is a way to get a full > project directory going quickly. With that disclaimer you might want > to give it a test drive. > > Bob For a direct approach, consider these: GNU Make http://www.gnu.org/software/make/make.html This book is not free. It is compact and useful. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/make2/ -- Mike Mueller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CVS: how to set the pserver (ssh)?
On Saturday 14 June 2003 04:46, Abdul Latip wrote: > Hi, > > I have read the docs in /usr/share/doc/cvs/ as well as the > CVS HOWTO. I have tried it, and it basically works: both > locally or using /etc/passwd authentication. > > Unfortunately, I could not find any clues about how to set > a CVS server for users without accounts by using SSH > public keys. > > Thank you for any help/clue/URL! The Debian install advises against using pserver because of security issues. The ext access method allows access to a repository using ssh (other recent CVS discussion on this list) $ CVS_RSH=ssh; export CVS_RSH $ cvs -d :ext:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/dirname/cvsrepository checkout projecname -- Mike Mueller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CVS_RSH for :ext: CVS access
On Friday 13 June 2003 13:39, Mark Ferlatte wrote: > Colin Watson said on Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 06:29:22PM +0100: > > > Right now, everything that has silly default settings to use rsh > > > automatically uses ssh, which means that things Just Work in a secure > > > environment. If this happens, would it be possible to change all of > > > the upstream defaults to use ssh instead of rsh instead? > > > > Well, you have to do this on every other system anyway (see the > > confusion in this very thread) ... I dunno. > > One of the reasons that my company standardized on Debian is that we > _don't_ have to do stupid things like this all the time; we can trust that > the Debian maintainer has put some thought into their part of the system, > and that it's setup in a sane fashion by default. Since, for _most_ (not > all) people, using rsh in insane, this seems like a step in the wrong > direction to me. I standardized on Debian too. But I've got to work with the red distro too. Things no longer "just worked" and I can no longer be blissfully ignorant of why things just work better in Debian. (I learned about UID and GID values differing between distros and how that affects NFS file ownership yesterday.) > > Obviously, if this gets changed, we'll adapt, so it's exactly a huge big > deal, but this is functionality that I was actually happy to see present in > Debian, and would be sad to see removed. It sounds like the Debian maintainers are adapting to the openssh project removing rsh support. If so, Debians have no choice in the matter then. -- Mike Mueller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CVS_RSH for :ext: CVS access
On Friday 13 June 2003 12:23, Colin Watson wrote: > CVS_RSH, as the name suggests, defaults to rsh. This is a compile-time > option in the cvs package, but Debian just leaves this at the upstream > default of rsh. OK. Then "alternatives" substitutes ssh. On the other commercial distro system rsh _is_ available, it got used and refused at the Debian CVS server. The I set CVS_RSH=ssh; export CVS_RSH on the commercial distro and the Debian CVS server is happy. When doing CVS checkouts from Debian boxes, CVS uses rsh which is really ssh - so no need to set CVS_RSH (for now). > At the moment the ssh package installs an rsh symlink > pointing to ssh; as I've just explained, this may change and you should > explicitly set CVS_RSH=ssh if that's what you want. > > See the "Connecting with rsh" node in 'info cvs' for more information on > CVS_RSH. > > > I don't want to change CVS on Debian. I want to understand why I > > don't have to set CVS_RSH on Debian. > > Vineet explained this above. The rsh -> ssh symlink is a "feature" of > the Debian ssh package, and one which I'd advise you not to rely on. OK. (I sense a learning opportunity is headed my way :-) > > Cheers, Thanks all, for clearing that up. -- Mike Mueller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CVS_RSH for :ext: CVS access
On Friday 13 June 2003 04:42, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 11:46:49PM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote: > > * Mike M ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030612 21:48]: > > > On the Debian system, when I query evironments vars, I do not set > > > CVS_RSH set. Why do the Debian systems allow the :ext: access > > > method to work without having the CVS_RSH var set? > > > > The default is to use rsh. If you've installed ssh, but not > > rsh-client, then /usr/bin/rsh is a symlink to ssh. (Well, indirectly, > > anyway, through the alternatives system). > > ... for now, anyway. There's a bug report asking for this to be removed > since ssh no longer implements the rsh fallback that it used to > implement; I'm inclined to agree, so it may disappear soon. Where and how is the defaulting done? CVS compile option? Config file? Ask the package maintainer? I don't want to change CVS on Debian. I want to understand why I don't have to set CVS_RSH on Debian. Thanks, -- Mike Mueller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xD Picture Card and Debian
On Sunday 22 December 2002 21:21, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: > On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 09:41, Mike Mueller wrote: > > The Woody system does not appear to be ready for usb storage - judging > > from the response from lsmod. Before I try anything else, I'd like to > > ask if anyone on the list is using Debian to upload pics from an xD > > Picture Card flash memory (Fuji or Olympus cameras at this time). > The basic question is "Which kernel are you running?" as many are using > later kernels to use usb storage access methods. 2.2.19 >Once you have that, my > understanding is that the USB Camera HOWTO is very reliable for these > makes, unless you lucked into something using a model that just doesn't > follow the generally common methods, such as some of the cheaper STV680 > and CPIA models (although comparable support for them is *worked around* > in more recent editions of gphoto2.) I managed to find a direct success message with this camera and 2.4.20 and above: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=1442 One guy is running successfully with Sarge. It's a bit close to the leading edge for my comfort but what the hell, I'll go for it. -- Mike M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xD Picture Card and Debian
I got a Fuji Finepix 3800 digital camera that uses xD Picture Card flash memory. I am trying to access the camera's flash memory as a usb storage device. It did not work on a Mandrake 8.1 system (kernel 2.4.8). I Googled and found that Mandrake 9 might work with the new xD flash card. The update to mdk9 was less than perfect. With that, I decided the time had come to move all my Intel boxes to Debian (the Sparc box is already there) - something i was planning previously. I loaded up a Woody system today and got KDE2 running and got KMail and Konqueror running with all the old bookmarks and email. Kudos to the Debian team. The Woody system does not appear to be ready for usb storage - judging from the response from lsmod. Before I try anything else, I'd like to ask if anyone on the list is using Debian to upload pics from an xD Picture Card flash memory (Fuji or Olympus cameras at this time). Thanks, -- Mike M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: question about /etc/passwd entries
On Monday 16 September 2002 15:21, Osamu Aoki wrote: > On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 10:16:52PM -0400, Mike Mueller wrote: > > > On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Mike Mueller wrote: > > > > Why does my 2.2r6 system need a user called bin? > > > > > > > > > <http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/debian-user-200108/msg00993.h > > >tml> > > > > Bang on! Has this info and the response from Bob Proulx and others been > > pulled into a document of any sort? I think it ought to be in the System > > Administrator's Guide or a Linux Authentication HOWTO. > > I think it is in Securing Debian Manual. Yep. Thanks. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch11.en.html Section 11.1.12.1 > > It can be located in CVS version of web page (See URL below) and in > unastable archive (I hope by now) as harden-doc package: > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ > > I recommend to read our DDP documents > > Debian FAQ > Debian Reference > Securing Debian Manual > > Cheers:-) -- mueller, mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
syslogd-listfiles
I see syslogd-listfiles and savelog at heart of /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd. Are these methods unique to Debian? I use RH6.1 and Mandrake 8.1 and they do not have syslogd-listfiles or savelog commands. On my RH6.1 systems (slated for migration to Debian) the logrotate facility is used to in the logrotate script in /etc/cron.daily. I had to add /etc/rc.d.init.d/syslog restart to get new files handles for the loggers. The Mandrake 8.1 system is same. I notice that sysklogd does the restart. It's appears that I have solved a problem the Debians solved in 1998. Grr. Can someone explain why Debian does not use the logrotate facility to rotate the log files? Is savelog a better logrotate with compressing at cycle 1 instead of 0. In sysklogd what are the permission changes for in files listed with "syslogd-listfiles --auth"? TIA -- m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
