Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?
On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 10:58:18PM +0100, marc wrote: Sorry for the cheesy question. Until now, I've retained Gravity on XP for my usenet use. Now, I'm after a Linux replacement. I use multiple servers, but I'm only interested in text-based ngs, so threading and tracking threads that I've contributed to are important. The less mouse use the better, but unless it's uber- functional, I'd prefer to avoid a curses-bases usenet reader - may the nix-gods forgive me. I welcome your suggestions, advice and experience. As an aside: for advanced multiple-server support, you might want to consider using leafnode as a local server. Among GUI newsreaders, Pan seems to me to have a little more functionality than KNode. Sylpheed[-Claws] is a possibility, but I haven't tried either version of it for a long time. Thunderbird is, so far, no where near as good for news as for email. The only other option I can think of among Debian packages is KNews, which I know almost nothing about. On the whole, I suggest trying Pan first. IIRC, it was intended to resemble Gravity in look and feel. And it's almost half as good as Slrn. ;-) -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: 4ol 4rt files THE HELPFUL ANSWER
On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 09:09:37AM +0200, Werner Mahr wrote: People spam the list with requests for AOL Art-files, because they find it with google for this list. They subscribe and ask the same dumb question again. If they would read the threads they found, the wouldn't read. I am no expert on human behavior, and I can't ride, but I can asure you, they will come back and spam this list. Just keep in mind that they are AOL users. 1. It isn't spam, except in a sense loose enough for somebody to call all the discussion in this thread spam. 2. I doubt if they subscribe to the list. 3. Surprisingly, this list isn't among the top 100 Google hits for unsubscribe. ;-) -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: configuring muttrc
On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 09:50:28PM +, Sam Rosenfeld wrote: Precisely what information do I need to get a working mutt for Debian 3.1? Once I get it working I think I can tailor it for my needs. You need a properly configured Mail Transport Agent and (probably) Mail Delivery Agent. Configuration will depend on which MTA and MDA you're using. After that, you may or may not need to tweak a couple of settings in your ~/.muttrc file. There was relevant discussion a while ago in this thread on the Mutt Users' list: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mutt.user/22506 This site was mentioned, but I've only glanced at it myself: http://www.mutt.blackfish.org.uk/ -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Thunderbird and HTML - correction (was: Re: Mutt and html)
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 03:52:28AM +0100, Peter J Ross wrote: Drifting further off-topic, I notice that Mozilla Thunderbird defaults to sending html email. No it doesn't, as I've learned after too hastily submitting a wishlist bug (#327011). The default is to *compose* as HTML, but to *send* as plain text, with such elements as boldface, bulleted lists and graphical smileys converted to plain text equivalents. HTML is used only for recipients specified in preferences as wanting to receive it. That's a really nice feature, IMO, but I wish it were less confusingly described. Compose as HTML seems naturally to imply Send as HTML to me. Apologies to any Thunderbird developers who may be reading for maligning their software. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apache2 vs. apache-perl
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 07:55:40PM +, Daniel McBrearty wrote: Any idea what the essential differences are betwen installing these 2 debian packages? I have used apache-perl without too many hitches on my home machine, my new server came with apache2 preinstalled. I'm wondering whether this will cause me extra work in deploying my project, and hence whether to go to the trouble of removing 2 and replaicing with perl. apache-perl is a version of Apache 1.3.x that includes the Perl module. apache2 is a version of Apache 2.0.x that doesn't include the Perl module, which is available separately as apache2-mod-perl2. So you can either downgrade to Apache 1.3 with Perl, or install the Perl module. For more information, read the package descriptions in aptitude or at debian.org. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mutt and html [was: Compiling Kernel for Bootsplash...]
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 06:44:21AM +0200, David Jardine wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 05:06:22PM -0700, James Vahn wrote: David Jardine wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 11:09:31PM +0200, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 16:36 -0400, David R. Litwin wrote: Any way, have you any advice not using HTML... Using mutt, I see no html. Is this a bug or a feature of mutt? (I do often get html attachments - and also quite a lot of html source code from spammers.) I use tin here (localhost fed from gmane) and it seems his message was an encoded blob, which I could only see by hitting ctrl-h to view the raw message and its headers: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline QmVmb3JlIEkgZ28gYW55IGZ1cnRoZXIsIHllcywgSSBuZWVkIGJvb3RzcGxhc2g6IE15IGNvbXB1 dGVyIGlzIGR1YWwtYm9vdCAKYW5kIHRoZSBvdGhlciB1c2VyIGluc2lzdHMgb24gQTogVXNpbmcg IEkgc2hhbGwgYmUgZ2V0dGluZyBhIGxhcC10b3Agc29vbi4gKEJ5IHRoZSBieWUsIHdoeSAKZG9l Mutt probably saw Content-Disposition: inline and acted appropriately. And text/plain. So where did the html idea come from? From the text/html part of the multipart message. The poster who saw the html part is using Evolution, which I've never used, but which probably has a configuration setting to prefer the text version of a multipart message. Drifting further off-topic, I notice that Mozilla Thunderbird defaults to sending html email. This seems a very odd choice to me, especially for the Linux version. In the Windows version, I can understand that the intention is to give users weaned from OE what they're used to, but it certainly isn't what users of other Linux mail clients are used to. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Is it safe to dist-upgrade kde* now?
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:43:39PM +1000, Brendon Lloyd Higgins wrote: Kim Adil wrote (Tuesday 06 September 2005 4:56 pm): Subject says it all I think. I and many others had to roll back, and I was advised to hold back. How will I know when to proceed? From my experience, the answer is nearly or almost. Some things still haven't been compiled on the new ABI and so will conflict. Most things, however, and the majority of the KDE packages, are ready. I assume, rightly or wrongly, that it will be officially considered ready when the metapackages, such as kde and kdecore, are upgraded to depend on 3.4.2 instead of 3.3.2. A couple of days ago I bit the bullet and upgraded. I had to remove a number of packages that hadn't been updated yet, like superkaramba, lyx-qt, koffice, and kwin-baghira, among ~50 others. But for me, I think losing them (only temporarily, I expect) was worth it. I now have a KDE 3.4.2 desktop with Konqueror, Konsole, KMail, KNode, K3B, Kate, KSokoban, KPDF, KGPG and a few other things. The only program I use regularly that's still unavailable to me is Rosegarden4, which I expect will take some time yet. If a package doesn't use the 3.3.2/3.4.2 version system, an easy way to check whether it can be installed with KDE 3.4.2 is to see if it still depends on kdelibs4. The upgraded packages depend on kdelibs4c2 instead. Most of the functional stuff is there and ready, but not all of it. Unless you're really eager to transition, like I was, it's probably best to wait until we're given the official all clear, which, depending on how soon some maintainers get the rear into gear, may be a week or more, yet. Peace, Brendon PS: Many cheers to all the maintainers involved in pulling off this, and all the other simultaneous transitions so smoothly! It's been a pleasure to watch the orderly way in which KDE 3.4.2 has gone from totally broken to almost completely functional in just a few days. Cheers indeed! -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: pager changed after upgrade from woody to sarge:
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 06:55:09AM -0700, James Haskell wrote: hello all, i just upgraded from woody to sarge, and it *seems* that in the process, my pager has changed from /usr/bin/less to /bin/more. e.g. if i type: cd /usr/include/ tab tab bash displays: Display all 370 possibilities? (y or n) when i type y, bash lists the files using /bin/more. AFAIK, it shouldn't be using an external pager at all; it should simply write to stdout. chase `which pager` says that /usr/bin/pager points to /usr/bin/less. That seems right. how do i get less to be my default pager? and am i correct in concluding that the upgrade changed my pager? It seems that less *is* your default pager. What happens if you try $ ls /usr/include/ | pager ? -- PJR :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: different From: addresses with mutt, etc.
On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 11:07:44AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason (maybe a lock of some kind) Thunderbird is not running on my system so I have taken this opportunity to get more familiar with mutt, exim and fetchmail. I seem to have gotten most important things to work. One thing I miss that I need is a quick way to set the From: field since I have three different email addresses that I send messages from. With Thunderbird the From: address was set automatically correctly depending which folder I was in. Using Esc-F still requires that I type the complete address. If other people's suggestions in this thread don't work for you, you could try something like this in your .muttrc to change the From: line when required: macro generic esc1 :set from = \name.example.com\ macro generic esc2 :set from = \name2.example2.com\ If you need to use different smarthost servers with the different email accounts, it gets more complicated. I use msmtp, with macros similar to the above which also set the sendmail variable. Another important feature that I haven't found yet is a good way to filter messages automatically. It looks like the 'mailbox' is part of the answer. procmail (or one of the alternatives) is part of the answer. For instance, I have this kind of thing in my .muttrc: set folder = /home/pjr/Mail mailboxes \ =inbox \ =debian \ =w3c \ =bbc \ and in .procmailrc: MAILDIR=/home/pjr/Mail :0: * ^List-Id:.*lists\.debian\.org debian/ :0: * ^List-Id:.*w3c-announce\.w3\.org w3c/ :0: * ^From:.*bbc\.co\.uk bbc/ :0: inbox/ (Don't use the trailing / if you're using mbox format instead of maildir. ANd I've left out all the spam filters.) If you don't want to learn procmail, you could try one of the allegedly simpler alternatives that I've not tried yet. I'd ask for details of your Thunderbird problem, but I'd rather you used mutt. ;-) -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sound does not play
On Sun, Aug 28, 2005 at 01:00:40AM +0200, Juraj Fedel wrote: I am trying to install Debian Sarge from 14 CD to my brothers computer. Installation is OK but there is no sound. When I try to play some sound with 'play sound.wav' nothing happend. No error reported - no sound on speakers. It does not matter if I play as user or root. With 'lsmod' I see that drivers are loaded. I also tried to install 2.6 kernel (and boot into it) with no difference. It would help if you gave details of your sound card. Now I am thinking of using other kernel. Since on Ubuntu sound work OK I am wondering if it is possible to use kernel from Ubuntu and everything else form Debian. If yes how is best to do it. I am thinking of: - install debin (only base system) - then istall ubuntu kernel and headers (will need them for compiling modem driver) - install everything else from debians CDs. Is this posible? It may or may not be possible, but it shouldn't be necessary. If the Ubuntu kernel gives you sound, the Debian 2.6 kernel should. However, Ubuntu does some automatic configuration that may have to be done by hand in Debian. 1. Boot the 2.6 kernel. 2. Install the alsa-utils package, using aptitude or whatever. 3. As root, run alsaconf. 4. If alsaconf detects a PCI sound card, or you have an ISA card, see what happens with cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp. You should hear some white noise, which can be stopped with Ctrl-C. 5. If not, run alsamixer and check that at least Master and PCM are unmuted. 6. If none of that works, your problem is probably still soluble, but you'll have to post the relevant output of lsmod and lspci. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Upgrading the kernel
kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: 1) What is genkernel? It's a Gentoo script for automated kernel generation from source during the original Gentoo installation. It's distantly comparable to the scripts in kernel-package, but doesn't require a manual make oldconfig to produce the same effect. Since the OP seems only to want to upgrade a pre-compiled binary kernel, apt-get install kernel-image-foo-bar ought to work. It even updates grub/lilo. -- PJR :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firefox and Debian Testing: Getting Security Updates?
On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 01:01:20AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could upgrade Firefox to the version that's in unstable, but there are two problems: If a package in testing is the same version as in stable, the security updates ought to work for it. Try adding security.debian.org to your sources.list and see what happens. -- PJR :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firefox and Debian Testing: Getting Security Updates?
On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 06:15:18AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 10:54:57AM +0100, Peter J Ross wrote: If a package in testing is the same version as in stable, the security updates ought to work for it ... ... right up until there are major library changes in Unstable. Such changes are happening now. Once that happens the dependencies for the Stable package will tend to be unmet. Once a new version of a package arrives in Testing, security updates for the older version won't apply to it, so it ought to be safe to add the security repository as a source while using Testing. Your objection is, however, valid when one tries to downgrade a package manually. It's not a perfect solution, and, as Testing changes, it will work less and less often, but it will help in some cases, and this is one such case. -- PJR :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: trouble setting up leafnode
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 08:28:17PM +0100, Dave Ewart wrote: Is the following entry in /etc/inetd.conf: nntp stream tcp nowait news/usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/leafnode Earlier versions of the leafnode package modified /etc/inetd.conf, but 1.11.3.rel doesn't - though an upgrade from an earlier version is fine. Since the usual Debian view is that if you install a package it should be configured automatically on the assumption that it's going to be used, this counts as a bug, IMO. I'll send a bug report. After adding the line you suggest, running # kill -1 $(pidof inetd) as root will restart inetd and (I hope) make the OP's problem go away. -- PJR :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GMail pop fetchmail
On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 03:19:23AM -0400, Steve Å wrote: Need help please. I've Google'ed for the entire evening for hints on how to enable procmail to fetch from GMail. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find anything Debian specific. What I've done so far is tell procmail to fetch using SSL. You mean fetchmail, not procmail, I assume. When I run fetchmail (standalone as opposed to daemon), I'm told SSL is not enabled. In my research tonight, I downloaded and installed fetchmail-ssl, apparently it's a 'virtual' package, and therefore not much use. It exists to replace the old (Woody) fetchmail-ssl with the new (Sarge) fetchmail, which already includes ssl support. I do have OpenSSL enabled. Here is what I've done: 1/ extracted GMail Certificate to ~/home 2/ extracted Thawte Certificate to ~/home 3/ added the following to my ~/home/.fetchmailrc poll pop.gmail.com with proto POP3 and options no dns user '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' with pass pa33w0r8 is 'username' here options ssl sslcertck sslcertpath '~home/certs/.certs' Does anyone have any hints ? This works for me in .fetchmailrc: poll pop.gmail.com proto POP3 port 995 user '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' pass 'password' ssl Perhaps you may need to specify the port number (and check that your firewall allows you to connect to it)? Also, your path for sslcertpath seems impossible. Did you mean ~/certs/.certs? As you can see from my example, you don't need the certificates, though fetchmail warns if they're not verifiable. That's all I can suggest without seeing the error messages from fetchmail. -- PJR :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firefox apparence KDE
On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 03:28:53PM +0200, Paolo Pantaleo wrote: I have KDE and firefox. I configured the fonts for KDE (using the msttcorefonts). I noticed that firefox is not affected by the font configuration of KDE, and moreover has not the standard KDE aspect, while with xfce firefox looked good. This should be due to firefox using some GUI library (is it Gtk or what?). How can firefox use KDE fonts, windows decoration, etc. ? Or, is there a way to configure fireofx fonts and aspect? To make Firefox (and other gtk applications) look like KDE applications use this package: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt You can then change the setting in the KDE control centre. To change the fonts in Firefox, use the Edit menu: Edit / Preferences / General / Fonts Colours -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: newsreader (was Re: knoppix DVD 4.0)
On Fri, Jul 29, 2005 at 08:11:27AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Fri, Jul 29, 2005 at 09:59:09AM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: I has been a long time since I have been actively reading newsgroups. Long ago I have used tin and gnus to do that. I would not recoommend gnus for newbies. It is not the easiest reader to set up but it is very powerful. I stopped using tin a few (maybe 5) years ago, because every time I started it it gave me a list of hundreds (seemed like thousands) of new newsgroups I had to decide, one by one, whether to subscribe to. It just took too long to get the the messages I wanted. Has this changed? I don't use tin, but if there's an option to unsubscribe automatically from new groups (or not list them at all) I'm sure it will be in the man page. Nowadays I use Pan, under X. I should try sometime if Pan also has a text console interface... It hasn't. Or some documentation. Only on the website. If tin can't do what you want, you could try slrn with this option in your .slrnrc: set unsubscribe_new_groups 1 which will mark new groups as unsubscribed, or call slrn with the -n option, to avoid checking for new groups. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian reference html
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 03:54:48PM +0200, roberto wrote: --- Colin Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: aptitude install debian-reference-en thanks, it works, but how to use lynx to display this debian-reference-en instead of konqueror, which is automatically started in my system? $ lynx /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/index.html If you're using KDE, you can add a link to the menu using kmenuedit. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ALSA: no sound, no error!
On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 12:21:09PM -0400, [KS] wrote: Hi, My system is an unstable Debian box and was running sound (with ALSA) under KDE(and sometimes GNOME) without any problem till a few weeks ago. But now I get no sound what soever. There is no sound if I do $cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp Also, when I try to play audio (audio CD or mp3s) with XMMS everything seems to be running fine but there is no sound! XMMS, xine, or other multimedia applications do not complain about anything regarding sound system. Could someone help or give tips on how to go about debugging the sound problem? Below are some details about the system: arts is set to release the sound device after 2 seconds, and it looks that its working. Testing sound from the Control CenterSound and Multimedia doesn't give any error either. ~$ lspci | grep Multimedia :00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) ~$ lsmod | grep snd snd_intel8x0 33216 0 snd_ac97_codec 78360 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss53344 0 snd_mixer_oss 19872 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm92712 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 24644 1 snd_pcm snd55300 6 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 9664 1 snd snd_page_alloc 10020 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm ~$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [I82801DBICH4 ]: ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with AD1981A at 0xfebff800, irq 201 That looks good to me. Obvious question first. Have you used alsamixer (or a GUI equivalent) to unmute the output? -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ALSA: no sound, no error!
On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 01:38:25PM -0400, [KS] wrote: Peter J Ross wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 12:21:09PM -0400, [KS] wrote: Hi, My system is an unstable Debian box and was running sound (with ALSA) under KDE(and sometimes GNOME) without any problem till a few weeks ago. But now I get no sound what soever. There is no sound if I do $cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp Also, when I try to play audio (audio CD or mp3s) with XMMS everything seems to be running fine but there is no sound! XMMS, xine, or other multimedia applications do not complain about anything regarding sound system. Could someone help or give tips on how to go about debugging the sound problem? Below are some details about the system: arts is set to release the sound device after 2 seconds, and it looks that its working. Testing sound from the Control CenterSound and Multimedia doesn't give any error either. ~$ lspci | grep Multimedia :00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) ~$ lsmod | grep snd snd_intel8x0 33216 0 snd_ac97_codec 78360 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss53344 0 snd_mixer_oss 19872 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm92712 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 24644 1 snd_pcm snd55300 6 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 9664 1 snd snd_page_alloc 10020 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm ~$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [I82801DBICH4 ]: ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with AD1981A at 0xfebff800, irq 201 That looks good to me. Obvious question first. Have you used alsamixer (or a GUI equivalent) to unmute the output? Yes, I did check the settings in alsamixer before posting. Master, Master Mono, Headphone, PCM, Line,CD, Mic, Phone, Aux are all 100% and unmuted. Heaphone Jack Sense, Line Jack Sense, Mic Boost, External Amp are all 0 and I can't increase their volume or mute them. Here's the next really obvious question: Are the speakers plugged in to the right socket, switched on, and not muted by their own volume control? Sorry for asking, but I'm at a loss to account for your problem when everything seems right. -- PJR :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch experiences
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 05:52:12PM +0200, Hans du Plooy wrote: Hi guys, Just wondering, anyone running Etch, what are your experiences so far? So far it's been very similar to Sarge. I've noticed a change in the default version of bash, a minor upgrade for ALSA, and the inclusion of gcc4.0 as an option, but otherwise very little change. I'm getting my notebook back tomorrow, wondering what to put on it - shall I put on sid and live on the edge or try the etch? There are going to be big changes soon. I'm inclined to use Etch for a while, because big changes might mean big breakages in Sid. Once KDE 3.4.* and x.org are in Etch, I'l probably start tracking Sid again, but at the moment I don't trust my own ability to fix possible problems. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Re: Top posting (a different point of view)
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 09:41:02AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Kent West wrote: I'm in America (USA to be specific), and I avoid math whenever I can. It's calculators for me, whenever possible. :-) Is it bad of me that I avoid calculators whenever possible and instead go for a Python prompt? :D What's wrong with bc? One of the things that first impressed me about Linux was that bc could calculate 2^(2^22) and the Windows calculator couldn't. I think, btw, that maths is used throughout the British Commonwealth, and that mathematics used to be a singular noun more often than not but is now usually plural. Likewise politics, economics and similar words. I wonder if this has something to do with the fact that Greek and Latin neuter plurals (such as mathematica) regularly take a singular verb? -- PJR :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux and integrated ES1869 audio controller
On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 05:48:48PM +, Pariah Dog wrote: ... Can anyone offer me any further advice. I know that since this *is* an integrated audio controller, there really is no soundcard, but I figure that since WiNdOwS/MSDOG can see the thing, I should be able to convince Linux to see it. What kernel are you running? If it's 2.4.*, is ALSA actually installed? Are any OSS modules loaded? (if so, unload them.) -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Top posting
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 03:44:04PM -0400, Jin Juku wrote: Answer: Because it makes conversations difficult to follow. I guess I really am a newbie, because I have no idea what this top-posting business is supposed to mean ... we're not supposed to send new, clean messages to the list ...? Question: Why is top-posting annoying? In private email, it's likely that the recipient of your message will remember what you're replying to, but on a public email list or a newsgroup it's much easier to follow conversations if the new text is typed after the old text, not before it. People read from top to bottom, not from bottom to top. There are lots of FAQs about this aspect of netiquette. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Top posting
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 10:06:11PM +0100, Graham Smith wrote: Lech Karol Paw?aszek wrote: On Thursday 09 of June 2005 22:13, Mike Ward wrote: [...] Afterall, I honestly never had heard of 'top-posting' before until now, but just this gentle reminder means that at least one occasional user is now posting more 'correctly'. Hooray! :-) If you would like to post even more 'correctly' - please read Netiquette RFC (also known as How to behave on the internet) which is right here: http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html or at least 3.0 One-to-Many Communication (Mailing Lists, NetNews) section. TIA. Regards, I know that this will put the cat amongst the pigeons but I actually prefer top posting. And some people prefer WinXP and OE. Go figure. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[OT] Re: Top posting (a different point of view)
Tom Waits.
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 06:22:27PM -0500, John Carline wrote:
What a crock of snobbish BS!
snobbish
adj : befitting or characteristic of those who inclined to social
exclusiveness and who rebuff the advances of people
considered inferior [syn: {clannish}, {cliquish},
{clubby}, {snobby}]
Personally, I don't care where an individual posts. But, it would make
my reading/following of threads much easier if I didn't have to scroll
down to the bottom of post after post in a long string just to read the
one line added to the 200 I've already read.
So use the tab key (or whatever the equivalent is in your client for
skipping quoted text). You could also encourage people to delete
irrelevant quoted text when replying.
Unlike vi v. emacs or KDE v. Gnome, there's actually an RFC about this
one. It's a dead issue. If you don't conform, people will be less
liekly to reply to you.
Which artist recorded _Swordfishtrombones_?
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Re: ALSA sound card driver problem
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 07:01:50PM +0800, Lian Liming wrote: Now the problem is that, everytime I boot into the system, I must run alsaconf first which is not very convenient. I want to know if there is any solution for my laptop to make a good configuration of ALSA which doesn't need running alsaconf every time after booted into the system. Thanks for suggestions! I suggest reading the man page for alsactl. Basically, you want to run alsactl store once (after running alsaconf) and then alsactl restore automatically on each reboot. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Firefox and MIDI
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 09:25:28PM -0500, Jim Hall wrote: Replies are inline. Jim Nicos Gollan wrote: On Saturday May 14 2005 05:02, Jim Hall wrote: A user needs MIDI to work in Firefox. I installed kernel-image-2.6.8-686, then ALSA. Ran alsaconf. Everything seemed fine, but no MIDI in Firefox. Can't find a plugin. Is there any way to make Firefox recognize and use ALSA? Can you play MIDI files with pmidi? You'll have to do some setup work before you hear any sound unless you have a hardware synth attached to the soundcard. How would I know if there is a synth attached to the soundcard? Your soundcard documentation ought to tell you if it includes hardware for MIDI synthesis. Most soundcards require software to do the job. This did help me to get MIDI working: http://houghi.org/user/ch19s09.html The article seems to change locations every now and then, I've had at least three locations go invalid over time. Searching for ALSA and MIDI on Google usually does the trick, the page title should be 19.9. ALSA and MIDI. Thank you for the reference. I've read it. However, it refers to KDE. This system is using the Debian default, Gnome. Since I have no idea what the Gnome equivalents are, it doesn't help me much. :) Neither KDE nor Gnome includes a MIDI synth, as far as I know, so the basic procedure ought to be the same for both. If you're interested in better MIDI quality than most consumer soundcards can handle, I recommend you have a loot at timidity which can also be used as a synth for ALSA: http://timidity.sourceforge.net/ I've looked up timidity in the package lists. Other info I've found seems to indicate it's resource heavy. So, it would be a last resort. Frankly, as long as the sound is halfway reasonable (meaning it doesn't grate on the senses), I don't care about quality. An alternative to timidity is fluidsynth. You'll need *something* to act as a MIDI synth to get any MIDI sound at all unless your sound hardware is capable of it. Timidity does use more resources than fluidsynth, but it's a MIDI player as well as a synthesizer. I've found that it's much easier to configure than fluidsynth. Sets of MIDI patches can be found all over the net. I use the Titanic Soundfont, but that's too big for most cards and needs quite some CPU power. There are smaller ones that can be loaded with sfxload, but don't expect too much (Creative usually ship an 8MB Soundfont on their driver discs). I have no idea what you're talking about here. A patchset or soundfont provide the sound samples for the hardware or software synth to use. Google ought to explain this. Once you have MIDI configured, you shouldn't need to do anything special in Firefox to play files from the Web. No plug-ins are needed; you just use the MIDI player you have installed. On my system, with timidity and a patchset, if I click on a link to a MIDI file, all I have to do is pick a default application for .mid files and then it just works. The EAW patchset sounds pretty good and isn't too big compared with some soundfonts. You can get it here: http://www.fbriere.net/debian/misc/ -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Trouble with LILO...
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 11:13:35AM -0400, Thomas Chadwick wrote: I have kind of a unique situation, and googling for help hasn't really turned up anything that's applicable, so I'm turning to the mailing list for some help. Here's the run-down: Installed Debian (Woody stable) on a fairly old computer. I wanted to use a huge (120GB) harddrive, but the BIOS doesn't support huge IDE drives, so I did the following: Installed Windows 98 on a 545MB HDD (Master on the Primary IDE Channel, aka /dev/hda1). Installed Debian on a 120GB HDD (Master on the Secondary IDE Channel, aka /dev/hdc1). Used loadlin to boot into Debian Linux. This has worked great for me. I simply told the BIOS there was only 1 HDD installed (the 545MB one), and it happily booted into Windows, which then happily ran loadlin, which happily booted Debian. The kernel, which talks to the IDE controller directly, had no trouble finding, mounting, and using /dev/hdc1. However, I recently upgraded the MOBO, and since the BIOS on the new MOBO supports huge IDE drives, I'd like to get rid of the funky boot process described above, and boot directly into Linux using LILO. From everything I read, the boot device does not have to be /dev/hda, so I figured I'd leave the 120GB HDD at /dev/hdc (and uninstall the 545MB drive altogether). So... I created the following /etc/lilo.conf boot=/dev/hdc root=/dev/hdc1 lba32 vga=normal delay=100 image=/vmlinuz initrd=/initrd.img read-only I ran lilo, which didn't have anything interesting to say other than the fact that /dev/hdc is not the 1st harddrive. I also ran lilo -A /dev/hdc 1 to mark the 1st partition, /dev/hdc1, as bootable. Finally, I shutdown the machine, unplugged the 5454MB harddrive, powered up, and, instead of booting into Debian, I get: L01 01 01 01 01 01 [ad nauseum] Any clue what I did wrong? One possibility is that after removing the little hard drive your BIOS causes /dev/hdc to be identified as /dev/hda. To test this, remove the little drive again, boot with a floppy[1] or LiveCD[2] and see if you can mount /dev/hda1. If so, you should be able to chroot to the mount directory, edit lilo.conf to use hda and then reinstall lilo. You'll want to edit /etc/fstab as well. [1] I recommend http://paud.sourceforge.net/ for a bootable floppy. [2] I don't think a Woody installation CD will work for this, but I may well be wrong. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: No sound (no /dev/dsp) on newly installed 2.6.8-2-386 with Intel 82801.
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 04:41:47PM +0100, Adam Funk wrote: I've just installed Debian testing on a new computer but I can't get the sound to work. I think the problem is that /dev/dsp doesn't exist, although when I did modprobe snd-intel8x0 it created /dev/snd/controlC0 and /dev/snd/timer. The kernel is 2.6.8-2-386 #1 and lspci -v includes the following: :00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) Subsystem: Asustek Computer, Inc.: Unknown device 814e Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 169 Memory at cfef8000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [60] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit+ Queue=0/0 Enable- Capabilities: [70] #10 [0091] I'd appreciate any suggestions as I have basically no idea how to debug sound problems. Unknown device doesn't matter: I receive the same message with a card that works. /dev/dsp should be created when loading the snd_pcm_oss module. Perhaps it isn't being loaded? However, it looks as if your ICH6 soundcard may not be supported even in kernel 2.6.11: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html See the section on Intel 8x0 compatible. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Please, stop mail massive
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 03:41:33PM -0400, Michael Z Daryabeygi wrote: there's just no stopping a mail's massive now is there? Headers suggest that the massives originate in the Massif Central. not trying to make fun of anyone's english, I just have a sophomoric sense of humor. I am a miserable mono-glot. ccastillo wrote: Friends of debian, my email is satured by your mail's massive. can you stop to send me massages? See the unsubscribe instructions in the headers of this ma^Hessage or the signatures of several others. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Please, stop mail massive
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 06:38:11PM -0500, Ian Cottrell wrote: Is it possible to subscribe to the list, yet no receive it via e-mail? I'd much prefer to read it via Usenet, but if I'm not subscribed, I can't post. The URL below seems to only offer subscribe/unsubscribe options. Thanks..Ian Try the linux.debian.user newsgroup and send the email messages to /dev/null. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lost /dev/modem Symlink After Purging Udev And Reinstalling
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 12:52:37PM +, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: This request for help is being reposted as no one offered any help. Please, would someone respond with some help, even if its just a link offering a solution that a relative newbie can implement. After Purging udev including rming the entire /etc/udev directory and reinstalling to fix a sound problem I have to create the modem symbolic link, ln -s /dev/ttySHCF0 /dev/modem every time I boot up. The solution is to do without /dev/modem. Run pppconfig and edit your connection details to use /dev/ttySHCF0 instead of /dev/modem. If you use a program such as KPPP to dial out, you may have to change its configuration in the same way. -- PJR :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: MIDI questions
On Sunday 24 Oct 2004 01:03, Marc Shapiro wrote: I am trying to play MIDI files on my Debian box. I have installed playmidi, but can not get it to work. It gives me the following error: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/daisy$ playmidi FirstNoel.mid Playmidi 2.4 Copyright (C) 1994-1997 Nathan I. Laredo, AWE32 by Takashi IwaiThis is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. For details please see the file COPYING. open /dev/sequencer: No such device but, when I take a look in /dev, I see: crw-rw1 root audio 14, 1 Jul 12 23:08 sequencer I am in the audio group, so it does not seem to be a permissions thing. Is there something else that I am missing? Also, is there a package that will allow me to convert a MIDI file to .wav format so that I can burn it to CD with XCDRoast? Marc I sympathise deeply, having had endless troubles with MIDI myself. As far as I can tell, your problem is that you need to be running something like TiMidity++ as a midi server for ALSA. This command works for me when run as root: [~]# timidity --realtime-priority=40 -iA -B10,10 -Os I find that's adequate to make KMid, Rosegarden and NoteEdit work reasonably well. (of course you have to have TiMidity++ installed.) Higher settings for realtime priority have caused all kinds of trouble for me, but it may depend on how much memory you have (I have only 128MB). TiMidity++ will also convert your .mid files to .wav or .ogg. The man page gives details of the necessary command line options. I also recommend getting better patch files than the incomplete freepat set that comes with Debian. The legendary EAW patches are still available in far-flung corners of the Internet: I downloaded a .deb from a Russian site a few days ago. As far as I can tell, there's some doubt about the licence that makes them unsuitable for Debian, but they're apparently in the public domain. -- PJR :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbie question
On Monday 18 Oct 2004 22:49, Andreas Janssen wrote: Hello Loz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: ... Which file do I need to edit, and which setting do I need to set it to to change this? The config file should be called /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/XF86Config. From my configuration: Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver keyboard Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xfree86 Option XkbModel pc105 Option XkbLayout de gb is what the original poster needs here. Option XkbVariantnodeadkeys EndSection It might be a good idea to check the output of the locale command as well, in case that's set wrongly too. -- PJR :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting font in Eterm
On Saturday 25 Sep 2004 01:43, Prashant Kumar wrote: Hi First of sorry for my previous query as a reply for a unrelated thread, this time I am initiating a new thread. I need to chnage font and font size in Eterm, Shift Right click brings a menu for font(1-4), but that does not serve the purpose, what I wanted is how to set these font 1 - 4 and their size. Some help with conf file probably. Thanks in advancei for your reply. Read the man page. $ man eterm or http://www.eterm.org/docs/view.php?doc=man -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
