Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

[Phil Wyett]

On Sun, 2023-12-03 at 16:00 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote:
> 
> On 3/12/23 15:37, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > Not to regurgitating info here, I will add a link below that will 
> > instruct how to adjust or disable oom-killer in a sensible manner if 
> > you wish to experiment (your choice and being cautious :-)) if it is 
> > in fact the oom-killer algorithm that is the main cause of your issue.
> 
> 
> The issue is not so much Isolated Web Co being terminated, but my entire 
> Mate session being terminated.
> 
> I wouldn't have too much problem if OOM-killer hit Firefox. I have done 
> it myself when things got slow.
> 
> However, I can't see any valid reason for the Mate session to be 
> assassinated? Or at least be inevitable collateral damage.
> 

Hi,

Not being deeply familiar with the oom-killer heuristics, I could not offer 
reasoning why 'mate' is
killed. These heuristics by default kill the most memory hogging processes in 
theory and the
consequences of this on other processes I cannot comment on.

There is one setting you may wish look at and consider.

Reading:

https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/sysctl/vm.html

I see the following:

https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/sysctl/vm.html?highlight=laptop#oom-kill-allocating-task

Setting this to '1' may trigger a strategy that does not put 'mate' in the 
firing line as it changes
the target for killing to the process call that triggers the out of memory 
condition. I am sure if
my reading of this setting is wrong, someone will correct.

This would be done of course at your own risk after doing the research yourself.

Regards

Phil

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Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

[Phil Wyett]

On Sun, 2023-12-03 at 14:59 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote:
> 
> On 3/12/23 14:46, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > The first thing I would do before any other is to enable swap and see 
> > what benefits that brings. I have no production laptop or desktop 
> > (laptop with 32G being daily driver with NVME (root) and an SSD (home) 
> > drive inside) that does not have swap. I have 8G of swap on my laptop 
> > and it does get used by the system, but only in low amounts. Others 
> > may have other strategies here, but this is where I would start.
> 
> 
> I don't think it is actually a lack of memory. What I do see is all the 
> web browsers are up there on CPU along with nvidia-modeset.
> 
> Putting in swap may delay the time things start going awry but the cause 
> won't be lack of memory
> 
> top CPU
> 
> top - 14:55:15 up 44 days, 41 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.19, 0.19, 0.19
> Tasks: 386 total,   1 running, 385 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
> %Cpu(s):  0.6 us,  0.2 sy,  0.0 ni, 99.1 id,  0.1 wa,  0.0 hi, 0.0 si,  
> 0.0 st
> MiB Mem :  32023.4 total,  19201.2 free,   7118.7 used,   6564.6 buff/cache
> MiB Swap:    977.0 total,    968.1 free,  8.9 used.  24904.6 avail Mem
> 
>  PID USER  PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU  %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
> 3433245 jeremy    20   0 2584752 210788 100352 S   4.3   0.6 0:25.77 
> Isolated Web Co
> 3423627 jeremy    20   0 1140.1g 326428 130228 S   2.6   1.0 6:12.36 chrome
> 3423253 jeremy    20   0   32.9g 387804 299712 S   1.0   1.2 2:25.86 chrome
>  723 root  20   0   0  0  0 S   0.7   0.0 269:07.26 
> nvidia-modeset/kthread_q
> 3432484 jeremy    20   0 3689468 688004 243920 S   0.7   2.1 1:01.72 
> firefox-esr
> 3433214 root  20   0   11880   5348   3196 R   0.7   0.0 0:03.16 top
> 3422887 jeremy    20   0  697716  55924  40800 S   0.3   0.2 0:07.98 
> mate-terminal
> 3423206 jeremy    20   0   32.8g 434756 252740 S   0.3   1.3 1:32.29 chrome
> 3423254 jeremy    20   0   32.4g 129252 101388 S   0.3   0.4 0:28.83 chrome
> 3428534 jeremy    20   0   32.6g 480104 145044 S   0.3   1.5 2:43.60 
> chromium
> 3428658 jeremy    20   0 1134.0g 212384 117084 S   0.3   0.6 7:09.41 
> chromium
>    1 root  20   0  168800  10412   6324 S   0.0   0.0 0:45.56 
> systemd
>    2 root  20   0   0  0  0 S   0.0   0.0 0:01.82 
> kthreadd
>    3 root   0 -20   0  0  0 I   0.0   0.0 0:00.00 
> rcu_gp
>    4 root   0 -20   0  0  0 I   0.0   0.0 0:00.00 
> rcu_par_gp
>    5 root   0 -20   0  0  0 I   0.0   0.0 0:00.00 
> slub_flushwq
>    6 root   0 -20   0  0  0 I   0.0   0.0 0:00.00 netns
>    8 root   0 -20   0  0  0 I   0.0   0.0 0:00.00 
> kworker/0:0H-events_highpri
> 
> 
> top memory
> 
> top - 14:58:34 up 44 days, 45 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.27, 0.23, 0.20
> Tasks: 384 total,   3 running, 381 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
> %Cpu(s):  0.8 us,  0.4 sy,  0.0 ni, 98.7 id,  0.1 wa,  0.0 hi, 0.1 si,  
> 0.0 st
> MiB Mem :  32023.4 total,  19055.2 free,   7260.6 used,   6570.2 buff/cache
> MiB Swap:    977.0 total,    968.1 free,  8.9 used.  24762.8 avail Mem
> 
>  PID USER  PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU  %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
> 3422963 jeremy    20   0 4032104 979264 208004 S   0.0   3.0 5:20.33 
> thunderbird
> 3432484 jeremy    20   0 3679780 711916 250108 S   1.3   2.2 1:13.98 
> firefox-esr
> 3428534 jeremy    20   0   32.6g 480364 144980 R   1.7   1.5 2:46.34 
> chromium
> 3423206 jeremy    20   0   32.8g 434600 252740 S   0.0   1.3 1:32.66 chrome
> 3422183 root  20   0   25.0g 419692 139016 S   0.3   1.3 0:47.61 Xorg
> 3423253 jeremy    20   0   32.9g 387540 299712 S   1.3   1.2 2:28.33 chrome
>     1750 jeremy    20   0 1163816 380224   9776 S   0.0   1.2 3:53.92 
> goa-daemon
> 3423627 jeremy    20   0 1140.1g 326700 130228 S   3.6   1.0 6:19.81 chrome
> 3422581 jeremy    20   0 7293420 311912  78012 S   0.3   1.0 0:40.50 
> dropbox
> 3423600 jeremy    20   0 1134.1g 294804 128548 S   0.0   0.9 0:46.53 chrome
> 3428484 jeremy    20   0   32.7g 266044 192084 S   0.3   0.8 0:38.63 
> chromium
>     2320 jeremy    20   0 1752388 244220  12876 S   0.0   0.7 7:20.61 
> evolution-calen
> 3433245 jeremy    20   0 2584752 212408 100480 S   0.0   0.6 0:32.45 
> Isolated Web Co
>     1664 jeremy 9 -11  240828 203652   5716 S   0.0   0.6 7,25 
> pipewire-pulse
> 3433581 jeremy    20   0 296 201664  98504 S   0.7   0.6 0:03.09 
> Isolated Web Co
> 3428658 jeremy    20   0 1134.0g 200140 117084 R   4.3   0.6 7:18.18 
> chromium
> 3432583 jeremy    20   0   18.7g 191500 108380 S   0.3   0.6 0:10.79 
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Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

[Phil Wyett]

On Sun, 2023-12-03 at 14:59 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote:
> 
> On 3/12/23 14:46, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > The first thing I would do before any other is to enable swap and see 
> > what benefits that brings. I have no production laptop or desktop 
> > (laptop with 32G being daily driver with NVME (root) and an SSD (home) 
> > drive inside) that does not have swap. I have 8G of swap on my laptop 
> > and it does get used by the system, but only in low amounts. Others 
> > may have other strategies here, but this is where I would start.
> 
> 
> I don't think it is actually a lack of memory. What I do see is all the 
> web browsers are up there on CPU along with nvidia-modeset.
> 
> Putting in swap may delay the time things start going awry but the cause 
> won't be lack of memory
> 
> top CPU
> 
> top - 14:55:15 up 44 days, 41 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.19, 0.19, 0.19
> Tasks: 386 total,   1 running, 385 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
> %Cpu(s):  0.6 us,  0.2 sy,  0.0 ni, 99.1 id,  0.1 wa,  0.0 hi, 0.0 si,  
> 0.0 st
> MiB Mem :  32023.4 total,  19201.2 free,   7118.7 used,   6564.6 buff/cache
> MiB Swap:    977.0 total,    968.1 free,  8.9 used.  24904.6 avail Mem
> 
>  PID USER  PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU  %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
> 3433245 jeremy    20   0 2584752 210788 100352 S   4.3   0.6 0:25.77 
> Isolated Web Co
> 3423627 jeremy    20   0 1140.1g 326428 130228 S   2.6   1.0 6:12.36 chrome
> 3423253 jeremy    20   0   32.9g 387804 299712 S   1.0   1.2 2:25.86 chrome
>  723 root  20   0   0  0  0 S   0.7   0.0 269:07.26 
> nvidia-modeset/kthread_q
> 3432484 jeremy    20   0 3689468 688004 243920 S   0.7   2.1 1:01.72 
> firefox-esr
> 3433214 root  20   0   11880   5348   3196 R   0.7   0.0 0:03.16 top
> 3422887 jeremy    20   0  697716  55924  40800 S   0.3   0.2 0:07.98 
> mate-terminal
> 3423206 jeremy    20   0   32.8g 434756 252740 S   0.3   1.3 1:32.29 chrome
> 3423254 jeremy    20   0   32.4g 129252 101388 S   0.3   0.4 0:28.83 chrome
> 3428534 jeremy    20   0   32.6g 480104 145044 S   0.3   1.5 2:43.60 
> chromium
> 3428658 jeremy    20   0 1134.0g 212384 117084 S   0.3   0.6 7:09.41 
> chromium
>    1 root  20   0  168800  10412   6324 S   0.0   0.0 0:45.56 
> systemd
>    2 root  20   0   0  0  0 S   0.0   0.0 0:01.82 
> kthreadd
>    3 root   0 -20   0  0  0 I   0.0   0.0 0:00.00 
> rcu_gp
>    4 root   0 -20   0  0  0 I   0.0   0.0 0:00.00 
> rcu_par_gp
>    5 root   0 -20   0  0  0 I   0.0   0.0 0:00.00 
> slub_flushwq
>    6 root   0 -20   0  0  0 I   0.0   0.0 0:00.00 netns
>    8 root   0 -20   0  0  0 I   0.0   0.0 0:00.00 
> kworker/0:0H-events_highpri
> 
> 
> top memory
> 
> top - 14:58:34 up 44 days, 45 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.27, 0.23, 0.20
> Tasks: 384 total,   3 running, 381 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
> %Cpu(s):  0.8 us,  0.4 sy,  0.0 ni, 98.7 id,  0.1 wa,  0.0 hi, 0.1 si,  
> 0.0 st
> MiB Mem :  32023.4 total,  19055.2 free,   7260.6 used,   6570.2 buff/cache
> MiB Swap:    977.0 total,    968.1 free,  8.9 used.  24762.8 avail Mem
> 
>  PID USER  PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU  %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
> 3422963 jeremy    20   0 4032104 979264 208004 S   0.0   3.0 5:20.33 
> thunderbird
> 3432484 jeremy    20   0 3679780 711916 250108 S   1.3   2.2 1:13.98 
> firefox-esr
> 3428534 jeremy    20   0   32.6g 480364 144980 R   1.7   1.5 2:46.34 
> chromium
> 3423206 jeremy    20   0   32.8g 434600 252740 S   0.0   1.3 1:32.66 chrome
> 3422183 root  20   0   25.0g 419692 139016 S   0.3   1.3 0:47.61 Xorg
> 3423253 jeremy    20   0   32.9g 387540 299712 S   1.3   1.2 2:28.33 chrome
>     1750 jeremy    20   0 1163816 380224   9776 S   0.0   1.2 3:53.92 
> goa-daemon
> 3423627 jeremy    20   0 1140.1g 326700 130228 S   3.6   1.0 6:19.81 chrome
> 3422581 jeremy    20   0 7293420 311912  78012 S   0.3   1.0 0:40.50 
> dropbox
> 3423600 jeremy    20   0 1134.1g 294804 128548 S   0.0   0.9 0:46.53 chrome
> 3428484 jeremy    20   0   32.7g 266044 192084 S   0.3   0.8 0:38.63 
> chromium
>     2320 jeremy    20   0 1752388 244220  12876 S   0.0   0.7 7:20.61 
> evolution-calen
> 3433245 jeremy    20   0 2584752 212408 100480 S   0.0   0.6 0:32.45 
> Isolated Web Co
>     1664 jeremy 9 -11  240828 203652   5716 S   0.0   0.6 7,25 
> pipewire-pulse
> 3433581 jeremy    20   0 296 201664  98504 S   0.7   0.6 0:03.09 
> Isolated Web Co
> 3428658 jeremy    20   0 1134.0g 200140 117084 R   4.3   0.6 7:18.18 
> chromium
> 3432583 jeremy    20   0   18.7g 191500 108380 S   0.3   0.6 0:10.79 
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Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

[Phil Wyett]

On Sun, 2023-12-03 at 14:33 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote:
> 
> On 3/12/23 13:59, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > Your system RAM total is?
> 
> 32G
> 
> 
> > You have swap and it is enabled?
> 
> No Swap. I prefer not on SSD
> 
> 
> 

Hi,

The first thing I would do before any other is to enable swap and see what 
benefits that brings.

I have no production laptop or desktop (laptop with 32G being daily driver with 
NVME (root) and an
SSD (home) drive inside) that does not have swap. I have 8G of swap on my 
laptop and it does get
used by the system, but only in low amounts.

Others may have other strategies here, but this is where I would start.

Regards

Phil

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Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

[Phil Wyett]

nactive_anon:29781756kB active_file:3264kB 
> inactive_file:13440kB unevictable:8368kB isolated(anon):0kB 
> isolated(file):0kB mapped:862260kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB 
> shmem:1240848kB shmem_thp: 0kB shmem_pmdmapped: 0kB anon_thp: 17088512kB 
> writeback_tmp:0kB kernel_stack:39
> 

Hi,

As Tom stated, oom-killer is killing processes and it is not the brightest of 
things presently.

To begin to get a handle on this, it is time to ask what may seem like silly 
questions and consider
them, for which I apologise for in advance.

Your system RAM total is?

You have swap and it is enabled?

What Desktop Environment (DE) are you using - GNOME, KDE etc.?

How many apps would you normally be running on the system at once?

How many extensions have you installed/running in firefox?

How many tabs would you normally have open?

What type of content is generally being viewed/used in firefox?

When the system starts to become sluggish, have you looked at the firefox 'Task 
Manager' under tools
to see if anything stands out?

Others may wish more info, and this list is not exclusive.

Regards

Phil

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Re: Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4

[Phil Wyett]

On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 13:42 +, Phil Wyett wrote:
> On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 09:06 +0000, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 00:48 -0800, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 07:00 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> > > > On 2/12/23 06:10, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > > > When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on
> > > > > Debian 
> > > > > GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No
> > > > > video 
> > > > > with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to
> > > > > download 
> > > > > the file, or play it with an external application.
> > > > > 
> > > > > ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Can it be made to work?
> > > > > 
> > > > Perhaps, if you specified the URL of the file, it might be a step on
> > > > the 
> > > > way t6o describing the problem...
> > > 
> > > http://vandyke.mynetgear.com/AuraMLS_SH2009.mp4
> > > 
> > > The same video is available as avi, and that works fine with Firefox by
> > > launching an external viewer such as vlc or dragon. I would expect
> > > Firefox to offer to download the file or choose a viewer instead of the
> > > sad-face window.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Bret Busby
> > > > Armadale
> > > > Western Australia
> > > > (UTC+0800)
> > > > .
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The problem here seems to stem from the video being 'Simple Profile' for 
> > MP4.
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_2
> > 
> > Some further testing maybe in order and an issue submitting if this is 
> > widespread.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Phil
> > 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It seems the 'simple profile' falls under H.263, which no longer has major 
> browser support.
> 
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Media/Formats/Video_codecs#h.263
> 
> Regards
> 
> Phil
> 

Hi,

I had a play with one of my ffmpeg video conversion scripts.

For the most compatible MP4 to deliver to your website visitors, I would use 
the 'main' profile with
ffmpeg. As an extra, I looked at restricting the 'bitrate' and also using the 
'veryslow' preset to
try for better compression.

The bash script attached I think gives wide compatibility and good end file 
size - around 10.6MB. I
hope this is of help to you in its current form of if you wished to make 
changes to it for your
needs.

Regards

Phil

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Re: Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4

[Phil Wyett]

On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 09:06 +, Phil Wyett wrote:
> On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 00:48 -0800, Van Snyder wrote:
> > On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 07:00 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> > > On 2/12/23 06:10, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > > When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on
> > > > Debian 
> > > > GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No
> > > > video 
> > > > with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to
> > > > download 
> > > > the file, or play it with an external application.
> > > > 
> > > > ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date.
> > > > 
> > > > Can it be made to work?
> > > > 
> > > Perhaps, if you specified the URL of the file, it might be a step on
> > > the 
> > > way t6o describing the problem...
> > 
> > http://vandyke.mynetgear.com/AuraMLS_SH2009.mp4
> > 
> > The same video is available as avi, and that works fine with Firefox by
> > launching an external viewer such as vlc or dragon. I would expect
> > Firefox to offer to download the file or choose a viewer instead of the
> > sad-face window.
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bret Busby
> > > Armadale
> > > Western Australia
> > > (UTC+0800)
> > > .
> > > 
> > 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The problem here seems to stem from the video being 'Simple Profile' for MP4.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_2
> 
> Some further testing maybe in order and an issue submitting if this is 
> widespread.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Phil
> 

Hi,

It seems the 'simple profile' falls under H.263, which no longer has major 
browser support.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Media/Formats/Video_codecs#h.263

Regards

Phil

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Re: Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4

[Phil Wyett]

On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 19:49 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 2/12/23 17:06, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 00:48 -0800, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 07:00 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> > > > On 2/12/23 06:10, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > > > When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on
> > > > > Debian
> > > > > GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No
> > > > > video
> > > > > with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to
> > > > > download
> > > > > the file, or play it with an external application.
> > > > > 
> > > > > ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Can it be made to work?
> > > > > 
> > > > Perhaps, if you specified the URL of the file, it might be a step on
> > > > the
> > > > way t6o describing the problem...
> > > 
> > > http://vandyke.mynetgear.com/AuraMLS_SH2009.mp4
> > > 
> > > The same video is available as avi, and that works fine with Firefox by
> > > launching an external viewer such as vlc or dragon. I would expect
> > > Firefox to offer to download the file or choose a viewer instead of the
> > > sad-face window.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Bret Busby
> > > > Armadale
> > > > Western Australia
> > > > (UTC+0800)
> > > > .
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The problem here seems to stem from the video being 'Simple Profile' for 
> > MP4.
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_2
> > 
> > Some further testing maybe in order and an issue submitting if this is 
> > widespread.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Phil
> > 
> Please do not send separate copies of replies to everyone who has posted 
> in a thread.
> 
> Use Reply To List, if your email application provides that option, or, 
> if you use Reply To All and that includes multiple email addresses in 
> the To field, delete all email addresses from the To field, apart from 
> the list email address.
> 
> Why annoy people through multiple reply copies, and, waste bandwidth of 
> your victims?
> 
> 
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> Western Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> .
> 

Hi,

The reply going to 'all' was in error, apologies.

Your overreaction and use of the word 'victims' regarding this error is 
offensive. Please do not
speak via any medium to me like this again.

Regards

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Re: Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4

[Phil Wyett]

On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 00:48 -0800, Van Snyder wrote:
> On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 07:00 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> > On 2/12/23 06:10, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on
> > > Debian 
> > > GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No
> > > video 
> > > with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to
> > > download 
> > > the file, or play it with an external application.
> > > 
> > > ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date.
> > > 
> > > Can it be made to work?
> > > 
> > Perhaps, if you specified the URL of the file, it might be a step on
> > the 
> > way t6o describing the problem...
> 
> http://vandyke.mynetgear.com/AuraMLS_SH2009.mp4
> 
> The same video is available as avi, and that works fine with Firefox by
> launching an external viewer such as vlc or dragon. I would expect
> Firefox to offer to download the file or choose a viewer instead of the
> sad-face window.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Bret Busby
> > Armadale
> > Western Australia
> > (UTC+0800)
> > .
> > 
> 

Hi,

The problem here seems to stem from the video being 'Simple Profile' for MP4.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_2

Some further testing maybe in order and an issue submitting if this is 
widespread.

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Re: Security vulnerability at curl package: CVE-2023-44487: HTTP/2 Rapid Reset

[Phil Wyett]

On Tue, 2023-11-28 at 08:56 +, Marold Marcus (DC-AE/ESW1) wrote:
> Hello,
> I would like to request an upgrade of the curl package (Linux Ubuntu Core 22 
> / Jammy) to Nghttp2
> v1.57.0 because of CVE-2023-44487: HTTP/2 Rapid Reset.
> https://nghttp2.org/blog/2023/10/10/nghttp2-v1-57-0/
> Thank you in advance.
>  
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards
> 
> Marcus Marold
> ctrlX AppSoftware DC-AE/ESW1
> 
> Fax +49 9352 18-5830
> marcus.mar...@boschrexroth.de
> www.boschrexroth.com
> 
> Bosch Rexroth AG
> Bgm.-Dr.-Nebel-Str. 2
> 97816 Lohr am Main
> GERMANY
> 
> BOSCH REXROTH
> 
> 
> 
> Sitz: Stuttgart, Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart HRB 23192
> Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Haack (Vorsitzender), Roland Bittenauer, Thomas 
> Fechner, Holger von Hebel,
> Reinhard Schäfer
> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Dr. Markus Forschner
> ​
> 

Hi,

For Ubuntu reference of which versions are or are not affected, see:

https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2023-44487

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Re: Replacing Gkrellm (was: trying to make gkerelln show motherbord temp and voltages)

[Phil Wyett]

On Sun, 2023-09-17 at 13:26 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > gkrellm depends on gtk2 and should be avoided IMHO.
> 
> Gkrellm's maintenance is indeed a worry, but I haven't found anything
> even remotely competitive as a replacement in terms and quantity and
> quality of information it's able to show me in a small space (about
> my
> machine as well as about my servers).  I usually have it show me the
> recent history of CPU use and disk use plus a few temps.
> 
> What do other people use instead?
> 
> 
>     Stefan
> 

Hi Stefan,

Please see other replies in this thread from Darac and myself.

Hopefully others will also reply with their setups and solutions
related to this threads subject matter.

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Re: trying to make gkerelln show motherbord temp and voltages

[Phil Wyett]

On Sun, 2023-09-17 at 06:39 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> On 9/17/23 05:35, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > On Sat, 2023-09-16 at 17:06 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > On 9/16/23 14:55, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2023-09-16 at 08:17 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > > Greetings all;
> > > > > 
> > > > > gkrellm has traditionally used mbmon to collect the
> > > > > motherboard
> > > > > data
> > > > > for
> > > > > temps and voltages that it can display. Bub mbmon won't run
> > > > > because
> > > > > it
> > > > > can't find the monitor util for this mid-range asus mobo.
> > > > > Complains
> > > > > because it cannot find a via-686 thing, which sounds a bit
> > > > > dated
> > > > > to
> > > > > me.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I just spent around 3 hours with synaptic looking for likely
> > > > > suspects
> > > > > w/o any hits.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Asus z-370 mobo, i5 flavor full 32G memory
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any suggestions??
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks all;
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > Would more up to date packages like 'lm-sensors' and/or
> > > > 'dmidecode'
> > > > possible give you the data you are looking for? Any additional
> > > > information on the data you require and how it would be used
> > > > would
> > > > be
> > > > advantageous.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards
> > > > 
> > > > Phil
> > > > 
> > > Both of those are the newest versions according to apt.
> > > Thanks Phll
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > gkrellm does not depend on mbmon currently. mbmom should not be
> > part of
> > a current conversation regarding use of gkrellm as I see it.
> > 
> > What data are you wanting from the motherboard and what have you
> > tried
> > thus far?
> > 
> > Notes:
> > 
> > gkrellm depends on gtk2 and should be avoided IMHO.
> > 
> > Both gkrellm and especially mbmon are very dated and IMHO should
> > not be
> > used with newer hardware as they likely do not fit requirements.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Phil
> > 
> No doubt true, but I've not found anything else you can park along
> the 
> edge of the screen on every workspace so you've a constantly visible 
> machine status. And I've not found anything that can report psu etc 
> voltages, or fan speeds from those that have tach's since buster. 
> Temps 
> and other stuff still work though.  I find it handier than the lock 
> button on the outhouse door at a family picnic. If Bill wilson has 
> dropped it, what are folks using now?
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Hi Gene,

Regarding edge of screen data like we are discussing. I personally use
the gnome desktop and have the 'Resource Monitor'[1] extension
installed. This allows for the displaying of a large amount of data.

For other data I use 'lm-sensors' from the terminal. This may offer you
more data, but only you can test and see.

'gkrellm' had its last git commit 3 years ago, so maybe the project is
stale. Only upstream could tell you that. Maybe ask upstream if
development is ongoing, a port to gtk 3 or 4 is in the works or what
the projects plans are in general?

[1] https://github.com/0ry0n/Resource_Monitor/

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Re: trying to make gkerelln show motherbord temp and voltages

[Phil Wyett]

On Sun, 2023-09-17 at 20:07 +1000, Charlie wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 10:26:51 +0100
> Phil Wyett  wrote:
> 
> > Both gkrellm and especially mbmon are very dated and IMHO should
> > not
> > be used with newer hardware as they likely do not fit requirements.
> 
> Interesting Phillip. 
> 
> I am running Bookworm on older hardware, and all the glitches
> experienced, have blamed on Bookworm. I think it was released still
> containing many bugs?
> 
> 6.1.0-12-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.52-1 (2023-09-07)
> x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> • The address bar in Claws Mail is flaky, It doesn't show the
> addresses
>   unless you use the scroll bar and then you can see each one, after
> a
>   fashion. If you try to type in the address, is splits it up and
> puts
>   some of the address on a differently line. So the emails don't
> send,
>   because the address is incorrect.
> 
> • The touch pad cursor is twitchy sometimes and a real pain to with
> work
>   sometimes.
> 
> • LyX doesn't allow you to change the Latex(pdflatex) file formats
>   to evince so it works, uses Gimp because it was installed after
>   evince.
> 
> • WIFI connection drops out after hibernating.
> 
> Some of the issues I am working through. However, I thought this was
> Bookworm as this hardware worked well with Bullseye.
> 
> Will get there eventually.
> 
> Charlie

Hi Charlie,

If you are looking for assistance on a subject or issue via this list.
It is protocol to start a new thread and not add it to another thread.

Have you created bug reports on the Bug Tracking System (BTS)[1]
regarding any of your issues? As the saying goes, if it is not in the
bug tracker it does not exist.

[1] https://www.debian.org/Bugs/

also

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

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Re: trying to make gkerelln show motherbord temp and voltages

[Phil Wyett]

On Sat, 2023-09-16 at 17:06 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> On 9/16/23 14:55, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > On Sat, 2023-09-16 at 08:17 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > > 
> > > gkrellm has traditionally used mbmon to collect the motherboard
> > > data
> > > for
> > > temps and voltages that it can display. Bub mbmon won't run
> > > because
> > > it
> > > can't find the monitor util for this mid-range asus mobo.
> > > Complains
> > > because it cannot find a via-686 thing, which sounds a bit dated
> > > to
> > > me.
> > > 
> > > I just spent around 3 hours with synaptic looking for likely
> > > suspects
> > > w/o any hits.
> > > 
> > > Asus z-370 mobo, i5 flavor full 32G memory
> > > 
> > > Any suggestions??
> > > 
> > > Thanks all;
> > > 
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Would more up to date packages like 'lm-sensors' and/or 'dmidecode'
> > possible give you the data you are looking for? Any additional
> > information on the data you require and how it would be used would
> > be
> > advantageous.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Phil
> > 
> Both of those are the newest versions according to apt.
> Thanks Phll
> 
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Hi,

gkrellm does not depend on mbmon currently. mbmom should not be part of
a current conversation regarding use of gkrellm as I see it.

What data are you wanting from the motherboard and what have you tried
thus far?

Notes:

gkrellm depends on gtk2 and should be avoided IMHO.

Both gkrellm and especially mbmon are very dated and IMHO should not be
used with newer hardware as they likely do not fit requirements.

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Re: trying to make gkerelln show motherbord temp and voltages

[Phil Wyett]

On Sat, 2023-09-16 at 17:02 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> On 9/16/23 14:25, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > On Sat, 2023-09-16 at 08:17 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > > 
> > > gkrellm has traditionally used mbmon to collect the motherboard
> > > data
> > > for
> > > temps and voltages that it can display. Bub mbmon won't run
> > > because
> > > it
> > > can't find the monitor util for this mid-range asus mobo.
> > > Complains
> > > because it cannot find a via-686 thing, which sounds a bit dated
> > > to
> > > me.
> > > 
> > > I just spent around 3 hours with synaptic looking for likely
> > > suspects
> > > w/o any hits.
> > > 
> > > Asus z-370 mobo, i5 flavor full 32G memory
> > > 
> > > Any suggestions??
> > > 
> > > Thanks all;
> > > 
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Could you state which version of Debian you are running when making
> > a
> > request. This will help people immensely.
> 
> Already have, uptodate aa of this morning bookworm.
> 
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Phil
> > 
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Hi,

This thread until this email does not mention that you are running
bookworm (12). Thank you for the information though, if any testing is
required then people will know where to aim testing etc.

Regards

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Re: trying to make gkerelln show motherbord temp and voltages

[Phil Wyett]

On Sat, 2023-09-16 at 08:17 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> gkrellm has traditionally used mbmon to collect the motherboard data
> for 
> temps and voltages that it can display. Bub mbmon won't run because
> it 
> can't find the monitor util for this mid-range asus mobo. Complains 
> because it cannot find a via-686 thing, which sounds a bit dated to
> me.
> 
> I just spent around 3 hours with synaptic looking for likely suspects
> w/o any hits.
> 
> Asus z-370 mobo, i5 flavor full 32G memory
> 
> Any suggestions??
> 
> Thanks all;
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Hi,

Would more up to date packages like 'lm-sensors' and/or 'dmidecode'
possible give you the data you are looking for? Any additional
information on the data you require and how it would be used would be
advantageous.

Regards

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Re: trying to make gkerelln show motherbord temp and voltages

[Phil Wyett]

On Sat, 2023-09-16 at 08:17 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> gkrellm has traditionally used mbmon to collect the motherboard data
> for 
> temps and voltages that it can display. Bub mbmon won't run because
> it 
> can't find the monitor util for this mid-range asus mobo. Complains 
> because it cannot find a via-686 thing, which sounds a bit dated to
> me.
> 
> I just spent around 3 hours with synaptic looking for likely suspects
> w/o any hits.
> 
> Asus z-370 mobo, i5 flavor full 32G memory
> 
> Any suggestions??
> 
> Thanks all;
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Hi,

Could you state which version of Debian you are running when making a
request. This will help people immensely.

Regards

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Re: trying to make gkerelln show motherbord temp and voltages

[Phil Wyett]

On Sat, 2023-09-16 at 08:17 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> gkrellm has traditionally used mbmon to collect the motherboard data
> for 
> temps and voltages that it can display. Bub mbmon won't run because
> it 
> can't find the monitor util for this mid-range asus mobo. Complains 
> because it cannot find a via-686 thing, which sounds a bit dated to
> me.
> 
> I just spent around 3 hours with synaptic looking for likely suspects
> w/o any hits.
> 
> Asus z-370 mobo, i5 flavor full 32G memory
> 
> Any suggestions??
> 
> Thanks all;
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Hi,

Can you more specific on the Asus motherboard, as there are many Z370
variants.

Any logs/output of issues?

Regards

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Re: chrome web browser worthless

[Phil Wyett]

On Tue, 2023-08-01 at 05:33 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> Google seems to have high jacked port 80, I cannot use it as a
> browser 
> to run klipper as a google search intercepts port 80, so localhost:80
> cannot be used for troubleshooting or for running a 3d printer with 
> klipper..
> 
> FF has no such problems.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Hi,

Maybe direct this to the appropriate arena. Debians default browser is
Firefox, if there is no issue with FF means you are in the wrong place
for this kind of statement/query.

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Re: Kmail ne reçoit ni n'envoie des messages

[phil-deb1 . merlin]

Pour la poste.net, je suis au courant des problèmes‌ c'est pour cela que pour 
cette boite aux lettres je ne m'inquiète pas. Par contre pour Free et Yahoo 
c'est inexpliqué sauf que ces deux boites Mail utilisent SSL pour POP 
(recevoir) et SMTP (envoyer) . je viens de faire une modification pour la boite 
mail Free et j'ai supprimé le dialogue qui s'effectue en crypté(SSL) à la 
connexion maintenant POP ramène bien les messages,
Donc c'est un problème SSL je vais chercher si une librairie Debian Sid  SSL a 
changé récemment et crée ce problème.
Amitiés.
Philippe Merlin
De : "Bernard Schoenacker"

A : "phil-deb1 merlin"
Envoyé: mercredi 18 Mai 2022 19:21
Objet : Re: Kmail ne reçoit ni n'envoie des messages
 

- Mail original -

> De: "phil-deb1 merlin"
> À: "debian"
> Envoyé: Mercredi 18 Mai 2022 17:41:58
> Objet: Kmail ne reçoit ni n'envoie des messages

> ‌Bonjour,
> Mon système est une debian SID X64 à jour. Depuis trois jours je
> n'arrive plus à recevoir ni à émettre aucun messages.
> Kmail exploite 3 boites Mail une sur la poste.net , une sur yahoo,
> une sur Free la plus importante.
> Je récupère les messages de ces boites Mail de la même façon :
> j'utilise POP pour la poste.net en clair, pour les deux autres avec
> SSL/TLS port 995.
> Pour l'envoi des messages j'utilise le protocole smtp à destination
> de Free avec TLS ou STARTTLS port 587.
> A l'envoi d'un messages j'ai le message suivant :
> Echec du transport de messages TLS initialization Failed.
> En réception : le serveur POP de laposte.net est en panne annoncé sur
> le site.
> pour Yahoo et Free impossible de se connecter au serveur pop le
> serveur a interrompu immédiatement la connexion
> Je ne sais pas ou chercher pour résoudre ce problème.
> Auriez vous des Pistes?
> Philippe Merlin
> P.S. Mes boites aux lettres ne sont pas bloquées j'y accède par le
> Web sans problème

Bonjour Cher Magicien,

les services mél de la poste sont en panne pour les protocoles POP3 et
IMAP…

Documentation :
https://www.echosdunet.net/breve/la-poste-coupe-les-connexions-pop-et-imap-de-sa-boite-mail-lapostenet


Abracarambar ...

bernard

Re: Kmail ne reçoit ni n'envoie des messages

[phil-deb1 . merlin]

Tout d'abord merci pour les réponses, j'ai bien reçu deux messages de ta part 
un par l'intermédiaire de la liste l'autre dire‌ctement.
Le problème que tu constates aussi est il récent ? moi cela date de trois 
jours. Mais pour ma part je ne peux rapatrier par Kmail en POP aucun messages.
Amitié.
Philippe Merlin
 

De : "ajh.valmer"
A : debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
Envoyé: mercredi 18 Mai 2022 18:15
Objet : Re: Kmail ne reçoit ni n'envoie des messages
 
On Wednesday 18 May 2022 17:41:58 phil-deb1.mer...@laposte.net wrote:
> ‌Bonjour,
> Mon système est une debian SID X64 à jour. Depuis trois jours je n'arrive plus
> à recevoir ni à émettre aucun messages.
> Kmail exploite 3 boites Mail une sur la poste.net , une sur yahoo, une sur 
> Free
> la plus importante.
> Je récupère les messages de ces boites Mail de la même façon : j'utilise POP
> pour la poste.net en clair, pour les deux autres avec SSL/TLS port 995.
> Pour l'envoi des messages j'utilise le protocole smtp à destination de  Free
> avec TLS ou STARTTLS port 587.
> A l'envoi d'un messages j'ai le message suivant  :
> Echec du transport de messages TLS initialization Failed.
> En réception : le serveur POP de laposte.net est en panne annoncé sur le site.
> pour Yahoo et Free impossible de se connecter au serveur pop 
> le serveur a interrompu immédiatement la connexion
> Je ne sais pas ou chercher pour résoudre ce problème.
> Auriez vous des Pistes?
> Philippe Merlin
> P.S. Mes boites aux lettres ne sont pas bloquées j'y accède par le Web sans 
> problème

Hello,

Kmail :
Comme moi, sauf que je n'ai pas ce message :
"Echec du transport de messages TLS initialization Failed"
mais "mail contents spam", "relay domains"
Bref, quasi aucun smtp fonctionne,
smtp de free, yahoo, gmail, bbox... il faut que je mette dans le champ
From: un mail du même nom de domaine que celui du destinataire,
avec smtp et identification, et même, message d'erreur.

As tu essayé ? "Vérifier ce que le serveur peut gérer"
Chez moi aussi, ça marche en webmail.
Je reçois bien les mails de la ML mais pas ceux que j'envoie.
 

Kmail ne reçoit ni n'envoie des messages

[phil-deb1 . merlin]

‌Bonjour,
Mon système est une debian SID X64 à jour. Depuis trois jours je n'arrive plus 
à recevoir ni à émettre aucun messages.
Kmail exploite 3 boites Mail une sur la poste.net , une sur yahoo, une sur Free 
la plus importante.
Je récupère les messages de ces boites Mail de la même façon : j'utilise POP 
pour la poste.net en clair, pour les deux autres avec SSL/TLS port 995.
Pour l'envoi des messages j'utilise le protocole smtp à destination de  Free 
avec TLS ou STARTTLS port 587.
A l'envoi d'un messages j'ai le message suivant  :
Echec du transport de messages TLS initialization Failed.
En réception : le serveur POP de laposte.net est en panne annoncé sur le site.
pour Yahoo et Free impossible de se connecter au serveur pop le serveur a 
interrompu immédiatement la connexion
Je ne sais pas ou chercher pour résoudre ce problème.
Auriez vous des Pistes?
Philippe Merlin
P.S. Mes boites aux lettres ne sont pas bloquées j'y accède par le Web sans 
problème

Re: adresse MAC fixe

[phil-deb1 . merlin]

‌Merci pour ta réponse, mais mon problème est l'inverse conserver l'adresse MAC 
original .
Philippe Merlin
 

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Envoyé: samedi 7 Mai 2022 16:15
Objet : Re: adresse MAC fixe
 

Désolé, le voici

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1321557/changing-wifi-mac-address-on-raspberry-pi-4-model-b-with-ubuntu-20-04-2-lts

Le 07/05/2022 à 16:02, phil-deb1.mer...@laposte.net a écrit :


‌Merci pour ta réponse rapide, par contre je ne vois pas le  lien dont tu parle 
dans ton message.
Philippe Merlin
 

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Envoyé: samedi 7 Mai 2022 15:25
Objet : Re: adresse MAC fixe
 

Bonjour

en suivant ce lien vous verrez que c'est simple de changer d'adresse MAC. En 
fin de discussion une solution est donnée.

Le 07/05/2022 à 15:08, phil-deb1.mer...@laposte.net a écrit :


‌Bonjour,
J'ai voulu que mon routeur me donne une   adresse IP fixe, pour cela je pensais 
qu'il n'y avait aucun problème, il suffisait d'indiquer au routeur que pour une 
adresse MAC de carte WIFI il fallait faire correspondre une adresse IP, las 
après plusieurs essais à chaque reboot l'adresse IP qui m'était attribué était 
différente. C'est là que je me suis aperçu que l'adresse MAC de mon WIFI 
variait aléatoirement.
Après recherche une commande : ip -c a donne
wlan0:  mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP group 
default qlen 1000 
   link/ether e2:9b:ee:bd:51:9a brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff permaddr 
08:11:96:51:bd:44 
   inet 192.168.1.151/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global wlan0 
  valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

on vois une adresse MAC  et plus loin sur la même ligne permaddr avec une 
adresse MAC Fixe qui ne change jamais
mon installation est une Debian SID AMD64
Ma connexion WIFI est assurée par connman et iwd 
Je n'avais jamais entendu qu'on pouvait changer l'adresse MAC d'un élément 
réseau en regardant par Google on donne une méthode  pour obtenir ce résultat 
et cela ne semble pas simple mais avoir ce comportement en standard c'est 
surprenant et surtout je ne sais qui accuser de ce problème ni comment revenir 
à une adesse MAC Fixe.
Philippe MERLIN

Re: adresse MAC fixe

[phil-deb1 . merlin]

‌Merci pour ta réponse rapide, par contre je ne vois pas le  lien dont tu parle 
dans ton message.
Philippe Merlin
 

De : "NoSpam"
A : debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
Envoyé: samedi 7 Mai 2022 15:25
Objet : Re: adresse MAC fixe
 

Bonjour

en suivant ce lien vous verrez que c'est simple de changer d'adresse MAC. En 
fin de discussion une solution est donnée.

Le 07/05/2022 à 15:08, phil-deb1.mer...@laposte.net a écrit :


‌Bonjour,
J'ai voulu que mon routeur me donne une   adresse IP fixe, pour cela je pensais 
qu'il n'y avait aucun problème, il suffisait d'indiquer au routeur que pour une 
adresse MAC de carte WIFI il fallait faire correspondre une adresse IP, las 
après plusieurs essais à chaque reboot l'adresse IP qui m'était attribué était 
différente. C'est là que je me suis aperçu que l'adresse MAC de mon WIFI 
variait aléatoirement.
Après recherche une commande : ip -c a donne
wlan0:  mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP group 
default qlen 1000 
   link/ether e2:9b:ee:bd:51:9a brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff permaddr 
08:11:96:51:bd:44 
   inet 192.168.1.151/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global wlan0 
  valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

on vois une adresse MAC  et plus loin sur la même ligne permaddr avec une 
adresse MAC Fixe qui ne change jamais
mon installation est une Debian SID AMD64
Ma connexion WIFI est assurée par connman et iwd 
Je n'avais jamais entendu qu'on pouvait changer l'adresse MAC d'un élément 
réseau en regardant par Google on donne une méthode  pour obtenir ce résultat 
et cela ne semble pas simple mais avoir ce comportement en standard c'est 
surprenant et surtout je ne sais qui accuser de ce problème ni comment revenir 
à une adesse MAC Fixe.
Philippe MERLIN

adresse MAC fixe

[phil-deb1 . merlin]

‌Bonjour,
J'ai voulu que mon routeur me donne une   adresse IP fixe, pour cela je pensais 
qu'il n'y avait aucun problème, il suffisait d'indiquer au routeur que pour une 
adresse MAC de carte WIFI il fallait faire correspondre une adresse IP, las 
après plusieurs essais à chaque reboot l'adresse IP qui m'était attribué était 
différente. C'est là que je me suis aperçu que l'adresse MAC de mon WIFI 
variait aléatoirement.
Après recherche une commande : ip -c a donne
wlan0:  mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP group 
default qlen 1000 
   link/ether e2:9b:ee:bd:51:9a brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff permaddr 
08:11:96:51:bd:44 
   inet 192.168.1.151/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global wlan0 
  valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

on vois une adresse MAC  et plus loin sur la même ligne permaddr avec une 
adresse MAC Fixe qui ne change jamais
mon installation est une Debian SID AMD64
Ma connexion WIFI est assurée par connman et iwd 
Je n'avais jamais entendu qu'on pouvait changer l'adresse MAC d'un élément 
réseau en regardant par Google on donne une méthode  pour obtenir ce résultat 
et cela ne semble pas simple mais avoir ce comportement en standard c'est 
surprenant et surtout je ne sais qui accuser de ce problème ni comment revenir 
à une adesse MAC Fixe.
Philippe MERLIN

Fwd: How to Diagnose Mysterious System Freeze?

[Phil V]

> If you are unable to determine which package your bug report should be filed 
> against, please send e-mail to the Debian user mailing list asking for advice.

Please help!
About once a week my up-to-date Debian system freezes completely.
Graphical interface is unchanged.
System does not respond to ssh.
Mouse remains lit but does not move cursor.
Keyboard LEDs for NumLock and Caps Lock remain on or off and cannot be changed.
Keyboard keypresses seems to have no effect.
Not possible to change to virtual consoles with Ctrl-Alt-F1 .. F6.
SysReq is no use because even when system is working, it does not seem
to have an effect in GUI, only in virtual consoles.
Once-per-second "free -m" output shows about 16GB free RAM. (Virtual
memory generally unused.)
Eventually I force power down system, after about a half hour or more
of waiting.
kdump was installed, but created no dump.

OS: Debian 11.2 KDE system
Hardware: Dell Optiplex 7070 Micro Form Factor

Questions:
1. How do I file a bug report?
2. What can I do to diagnose this, this time or next?
3. Which logs should I inspect?

Xorg has periodically messages like this. They seem to happen
frequently and not only before a freeze, but perhaps they are a hint?
[396395.522] (EE) event4  - PixArt Dell MS116 USB Optical Mouse:
client bug: event processing lagging behind by 16ms, your system is
too slow
[396914.093] (EE) event8  - Chicony USB Keyboard: client bug: event
processing lagging behind by 18ms, your system is too slow
[398959.514] (EE) event8  - Chicony USB Keyboard: client bug: event
processing lagging behind by 11ms, your system is too slow
[399013.586] (EE) event5  - CASUE USB KB: client bug: event processing
lagging behind by 16ms, your system is too slow
[399561.782] (EE) event5  - CASUE USB KB: client bug: event processing
lagging behind by 35ms, your system is too slow

last entry of debug.1
Mar 19 22:57:50  rtkit-daemon[1270]: Supervising 8 threads of 4
processes of 1 users.

daemon.log.1
Mar 19 23:10:45  smartd[926]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel changed from 56 to 58

user.log.1  last entry was 6 hours prior
Mar 19 18:01:18 ... org.kde.krunner[2234315]:
file:///usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/kde/plasma/components/Highlight.qml:34:5:
QML Connections: Implicitly defined onFoo properties in Connections
are deprecated. Use this syntax i
nstead: function onFoo() { ... }
Mar 19 18:01:18  org.kde.krunner[2234315]:
file:///usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/kde/plasma/components/Highlight.qml:34:5:
QML Connections: Implicitly defined onFoo properties in Connections
are deprecated. Use this syntax i
nstead: function onFoo() { ... }
Mar 19 18:01:18  org.kde.krunner[2234315]:
QUnifiedTimer::stopAnimationDriver: driver is not running

syslog.1:
Mar 19 23:10:45  smartd[926]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel changed from 56 to 58
Mar 19 23:17:01   CRON[2755516]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts
--report /etc/cron.hourly)

messages.1
Mar 19 18:01:18  org.kde.krunner[2234315]:
file:///usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/kde/plasma/components/Highlight.qml:34:5:
QML Connections: Implicitly defined onFoo properties in Connections
are deprecated. Use this syntax i
nstead: function onFoo() { ... }
Mar 19 18:01:18  org.kde.krunner[2234315]:
file:///usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/kde/plasma/components/Highlight.qml:34:5:
QML Connections: Implicitly defined onFoo properties in Connections
are deprecated. Use this syntax i
nstead: function onFoo() { ... }
Mar 19 18:01:18  org.kde.krunner[2234315]:
QUnifiedTimer::stopAnimationDriver: driver is not running

kern.log.1:
Mar 19 11:19:56 ...  kernel: [360044.004470] IPv6:
ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eno2: link becomes ready

What else should I look for?

SOS ma session Kde ne s'ouvre plus

[phil-deb1 . merlin]

‌Bonjour, depuis ce matin j'ai un gros problème que je n'arrive pas à résoudre 
, la fenêtre d'autorisation  d' accéder  à une session Kde  générée par Sddm 
s'affiche je rentre mon mot de passe  tout semble normal apparition d'une roue 
dentée qui tourne un certain temps et qui normalement disparait mais cette fois 
elle s'arrête et reste bloquée . J'ai essayé avec d'autres utilisateurs même 
punition. Je ne sais pas ou chercher, autre problème  qui je ne pense pas soit 
lier je ne peux faire de mis à jour par apt j'ai un blocage la mise à jour d'un 
paquet Kde est arrêtée car interférant avec un autre paquet Kde. aptitude est 
aussi bloqué .
Merci pour vos suggestions.
Phillippe Merlin

‌

Demande d'aide suite à mise à jour récente

[phil-deb1 . merlin]

‌Bonjour,
Mon système est une Debian Sid AMD 64 KDE  suite aux  mises à jour d'hier mon 
système c'est dégradé complètement.
Première manifestation à l'apparition de l'écran KDE demandant le mot de passe 
utilisateur mon mot de passe est refusé. J'essaye d'autres utilisateurs même 
résultat.
Je relance le système en mode dégradé et change mon mot de passe. Je relance le 
système je passe l'écran Kde initial sans problème le mdp est accepté seul 
problème maintenant ma mesagerie Kontact(Kmail) ne marche plus akonadi ne se 
lancant pas. Autre surprise dans une fenêtre Konsole si je fais "su -" suivi du 
mot de passe de root on me demande de changer le mot de passe de root ceci à la 
demande de l'administrateur (moi) ce qui est surprenant. En mode dégradé on me 
le demande pas.
J'ai l'impression que tous ces problèmes sont liés mais je ne vois pas comment 
les  corriger.
Merci d'avance pour toutes vos suggestions.
Philippe Merlin

Re: Reorganising disk to increase space in /boot

[Phil Reynolds]

On Thu, 21 May 2020 15:26:29 -0700
David Christensen  wrote:

> So:
> 
> 1.  4 @ 100 MB partitions in RAID1:
> 
>  100 MB for /boot
> 
> 2.  4 @ 100 GB partitions in RAID6 with LVM:
> 
>   3.8 GB for swap
>   1.5 GB for root
>  15.3 GB for /tmp
>  38.1 GB for /usr
>  77.3 GB for /var
>  54.7 GB for /home
> 
> (190.7 GB total)
> 
> 3.  3 @ 60 GB and 1 @ 400 GB partitions effectively in JBOD:
> 
> 580 GB for /scratch
> 
> 
> It appears that you have 3 @ 160 GB HDD's and 1 @ 500 GB HDD (?).

Yes, that's right. Stocks of 160GB drives have been practically
exhausted.

Unfortunately your suggestion is unsuitable on grounds of cost - I
can't really spare any money at the present time. However it's an
interesting suggestion and I will work on doing something like that
in the longer term.
 
-- 
Phil Reynolds
mail: phil-deb...@tinsleyviaduct.com
Web: http://phil.tinsleyviaduct.com/

Reorganising disk to increase space in /boot

[Phil Reynolds]

I have landed myself with a problem on one of my machines, in that it
has insufficient space on the /boot filesystem to cope well with kernel
upgrades. The installation was done a few releases ago, and there are
four disks, three identical and one larger, configured as follows:

Each disk, partition 1: 192512 sectors. RAID 1. Used as /boot, 62% used.
Each disk, partition 2: 195311616 sectors. RAID 6. LVM - see below
Three small disks, partition 3: 117073920 sectors. RAID 0.
Larger disk, partition 3: 781266969 sectors.

No gaps or unallocated space exists on the disks.

RAID 0 and linear addition of last partition is used as scratch space
at present. This can be dispensed with, if necessary, and in any case
currently stands just 1% used.

LVM setup:

Single vg, holding:

/home, 54684MiB, 1% used.
/, 1512MiB, 27% used.
swap, 3812MiB
/tmp, 15260MiB, 1% used.
/usr, 38144MiB, 12% used.
/var, 77316MiB, 35% used.

No currently unallocated space.

I have no shortage of space but sadly it's in an awkward layout to put
right. I have tried reducing the size of one of the filesystems in the
LVM, moving extents to fill the gap and reducing the PV size, but I am
still left with the problem that I cannot find a way to move the start
of the PV "up" to allow the extra space to be added to the first
partition. I tried a relatively recent Parted Magic, but this did not
have a way of doing this.

Is there a way I can do this, using some kind of live OS (grml
perhaps?), and achieve a more workable /boot size without having to
consider the more drastic option of "nuke and pave"?

-- 
Phil Reynolds
mail: phil-deb...@tinsleyviaduct.com
Web: http://phil.tinsleyviaduct.com/

Re: firefox 75 pulseaudio sound suddenly stopped working

[Phil Wyett]

On Fri, 2020-04-24 at 22:40 +0200, 0...@caiway.net wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On my debian stable firefox 75 the sound stopped working.
> 
> Another user does have sound on stock firefox.
> 
> I can not go back to stock firefox, my profile of firefox 75 can not
> be
> loaded any longer.
> 
> 7 Chapters of troubleshooting pulseaudio did not help me in 4 hours:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting
> 
> Another thing from this guy Pottering does not give any hint:
> 
> journalctl -f 
> journalctl -f | grep pulseaudio
> 
> nothing
> 
> pulsemixer does seem to be alright:
> firefox: AudioStream is showing up, I can select it, and set volume
> (but
> no sound).
> 
> but:
> $ pactl list sink-inputs 
> no output at all
> 
> $ pacmd list-sink-inputs 
> 0 sink input(s) available.
> 
> 
> I am left clueless.
> (no timidity here installed.
> alsamixer shows the pulseaudio interface, unmuted)
> 
> [
> I hate pulseaudio since when I had a linux terminal server project
> LAN.
> In those days pulseaudio fucked up all LAN audio playing.
> ]
> 
> Waterfox and Palemoon browsers both play audio well.
> 
> Hope someone can give a hint
> 
> Thanks 4 reading
> 
> 

Hi,

Where did you source the firefox 75 you are using with debian
buster/stable?

Regards

Phil

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Re: non function firefox

[Phil Dobbin]

On 17/03/2020 12:19, Gene Heskett wrote:

Hi Gene

> On Tuesday 17 March 2020 08:03:08 Marco Möller wrote:
> 
>>  > The -p option wiped out my history replacing it with links to fb
>>  > etc,
>>
>> Are you sure that it didn't simply create a new profile, and what you
>> now see is this new, fresh, empty, profile? The new profile is
>> supposed to be empty, this is why you created it.
>>
>> Most likely the newly created profile became set as the default
>> profile and therefore now this new profile is what you now see.
>>
>> The old profile should still be present and untouched. Type into the
>> address bar the following, but don't mess things up with the functions
>> there (here you could actually destroy your old profile!), simply read
>> what will be shown on the screen:
>>
>> about:profiles
> 
> just one. The new one.
> 

have you been using Firefox's Sync service (it's in Prefs)?

that will restore all your p/w bookmarks etc etc.

Cheers,

  Phil.

-- 
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 to sit quietly in his room.”
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Re: Fresh install UEFI debian-10.2.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1 will not boot

[Phil Wyett]

On Wed, 2020-01-29 at 21:27 -0800, David Christensen wrote:
> On 2020-01-29 10:51, David Christensen wrote:
> >  root@d-i:/# grub-install --target x86_64-efi-signed
> >  grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi-
> > signed/modinfo.sh 
> > doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory.
> 
> I was able to install grub for x86_64-efi:
> 
>   root@d-i:/# grub-install --target x86_64-efi
>   Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
>   Installation finished. No error reported.
> 
> 
> But, the drive still will not boot in the PowerEdge T30, UEFI, with
> or 
> without Secure Boot, or in the DQ67SW, UEFI without Secure Boot.
> 
> 
> Is anybody booting and running Buster from a GPT disk using
> UEFI?  With 
> or without Secure Boot?
> 
> 
> David
> 

Hi,

I am running buster with two disk setup in laptop (PC Specialist -
Lafite 3) - GPT, (U)EFI and Secure Boot enabled. First disk (NVME) is '/' and 
second (SSD) is '/home'.

Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors
Disk model: WDS500G3X0C-00SJG0  
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: 245E1C83-E8A6-4F79-90E6-BB2020B3E161

Device Start   End   Sectors  Size Type
/dev/nvme0n1p1  2048   1953791   1951744  953M EFI System
/dev/nvme0n1p2 914272256 976771071  62498816 29.8G Linux swap
/dev/nvme0n1p3   1953792 914272255 912318464  435G Linux filesystem

Partition table entries are not in disk order.


Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors
Disk model: Seagate BarraCud
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: 841BBA13-490B-4A02-BB6A-80C088CF51B0

Device Start   End   Sectors   Size Type
/dev/sda1   2048 976771071 976769024 465.8G Linux filesystem

Regards

Phil

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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2019 #1206

[Phil Wyett]

On Sat, 2019-12-14 at 16:20 +, Larry Sapp wrote:
> Unsubscribe
> 
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Re: Kernel and toolchain versions for Debian 10

[Phil Wyett]

On Thu, 2019-12-12 at 10:00 +0100, Момчило Крунић wrote:
> Dear Debian support,
> I would like to reproduce build process for Debian 10.
> In order to do so, I believe that I need few info that I wasn't able
> to find on the first look:
> 1. What particular version of Linux kernel is used, 4.19.67?
> 2. What version of toolchain has been used?
> 3. Which patches I need to apply, deb10u2?
> 4. Where I can find all these?
> 
> I have find some useful information here:
> https://packages.debian.org/buster/linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64
> https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.kernel-compilation.html
> https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial
> https://www.debian.org/distrib/
> 
> I am new into this, so please excuse my ignorance. 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Momo

Hi,

Below command will answer most of your questions.

cat /proc/version

Regards

Phil

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Re: New install of buster, worked fine with regular monitor, garbled display but with good mouse pointer when connected to AV setup

[Phil Reynolds]

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:26:49 +0100
Phil Reynolds  wrote:

> I recently installed buster on a machine so that I could install kodi
> on it for the purpose of playing Internet content on my lounge AV
> setup. It all worked fine with a regular monitor.
> 
> On trying to get it connected to the AV setup today, I get a rather
> strange problem. All text mode display is absolutely fine, but when
> gdm3 starts, I see a good mouse pointer, but all other graphical
> output is "torn up", in a way similar to the effect you would see on
> an old TV if the horizontal hold is badly out of adjustment. You can
> see my actual display here: https://imgur.com/a/0Vob8Na
> 
> I would show you my Xorg log but there isn't one. At present I have
> only virtual console access to the machine. So, my question is, how
> can I resolve this problem?

This matter has been resolved... it turned out to be a wayland problem.
On disabling wayland in /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf, a correct display
appears on the AV setup.

-- 
Phil Reynolds
mail: phil-deb...@tinsleyviaduct.com
Web: http://phil.tinsleyviaduct.com/

New install of buster, worked fine with regular monitor, garbled display but with good mouse pointer when connected to AV setup

[Phil Reynolds]

I recently installed buster on a machine so that I could install kodi
on it for the purpose of playing Internet content on my lounge AV
setup. It all worked fine with a regular monitor.

On trying to get it connected to the AV setup today, I get a rather
strange problem. All text mode display is absolutely fine, but when gdm3
starts, I see a good mouse pointer, but all other graphical output is
"torn up", in a way similar to the effect you would see on an old TV if
the horizontal hold is badly out of adjustment. You can see my actual
display here: https://imgur.com/a/0Vob8Na

I would show you my Xorg log but there isn't one. At present I have
only virtual console access to the machine. So, my question is, how can
I resolve this problem?

-- 
Phil Reynolds
mail: phil-deb...@tinsleyviaduct.com
Web: http://phil.tinsleyviaduct.com/

Re: Upgrading to Buster but keeping Postgresql-9.6

[Phil Endecott]

Richard Hector wrote:


Another option is to switch to using the pgdg repo for 9.6:

https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt


Thanks Richard, that looks like the best solution.  They even
have a mailing list.


Cheers, Phil.

Re: Upgrading to Buster but keeping Postgresql-9.6

[Phil Endecott]

Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Lu, 08 iul 19, 20:02:36, Phil Endecott wrote:

Dear Experts,

Does anyone have any advice about the possibility of upgrading
systems from Stretch to Buster, but keeping Postgresql-9.6 for
the time being?


Is upgrading to buster a necessity? Stretch will be supported by Debian 
for one more year and probably some more by the LTS effort.


Indeed, not upgrading to Buster is a possibility.  Also upgrading PostgreSQL
to version 11 is a possibility.  I think I understand the issues with each
of those options, but I don't have a good understanding of the issues with
trying to keep pg-9.6 on Buster.

(There doesn't seem to be a Debian-Postgresql mailing list, hmmm.)


Phil.

Upgrading to Buster but keeping Postgresql-9.6

[Phil Endecott]

Dear Experts,

Does anyone have any advice about the possibility of upgrading
systems from Stretch to Buster, but keeping Postgresql-9.6 for
the time being?

This is for a couple of cloud servers that are running Postgresql
with streaming replication from one to the other.  I guess my
questions are: (a) will this actually work, i.e. will Postgresql-9.6
continue to run OK with the rest of the system upgraded, and (b)
what "apt magic runes" do I need to invoke to make it happen?  I
guess this is "pinning", is it?  That's not something I've ever
had to do before.

Many thanks for any suggestions.


(Please Cc: me in any replies, so I'll see them sooner.)


Phil.

[hs] module firefox

[phil]

Bonjour,

Depuis ce matin firefox désactive mon bloqueur de pubs, adblock.
Bon je veux installer ublock mais firefox bloque le téléchargement en me 
demandant
de vérifier ma connexion internet !

Package: firefox-esr
Version: 60.6.1esr-1

Quelqu'un a-t-il déjà résolu le problème ?
Merci d'avance pour une piste.

Cordialement,
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Re: Bug#900533: The most annoying bug ever: https://bugs.debian.org/900533 , fix it!

[Phil Wyett]

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On Sun, 2018-07-22 at 18:55 +0300, Askar Safin wrote:
> Recently Debian Stretch introduced the most annoying bug ever: https://bugs.de
> bian.org/900533 ("chromium 67.0.3396.62-1: youtube video, gif's, html5, and
> movies no longer work"). It affects a very very lot of Debian users. It
> renders entire system completely unusable. Because ability of viewing videos,
> listening to music etc using one's favorite browser is one of the main
> functions of the system.
> 
> I am unable listen music using https://vk.com/audio anymore.
> 
> Bad Chromium version was installed through stretch-security repository into
> every Stretch installation.
> 
> So, please fix the bug immediately!!! And make it install to usual Stretch
> installations (with stable and stable-security repos enables) in next upgrade.
> 
> This is very important, so I sent this widespread mail.
> 
> ==
> Askar Safin
> http://vk.com/safinaskar

Hi,

67.0.3396.87-1~deb9u1 is the latest version. Please update your system.

Regards

Phil

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Re: gathering trace rute output to a file?

[Phil Wyett]

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On Sat, 2018-06-30 at 23:45 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi folks,
> when running tracerute, is there an option that exports the results to a 
> file that can be shared?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 

Hi,

You can just redirect output to a file:

$ traceroute domain_to_be_traced > trace_of_domain_to_be_traced.txt

Regards

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Re: CD Burning Software

[Phil Dobbin]

On 19/05/18 19:36, Herb Garcia wrote:

> Hey everyone,
> 
> I'm running Mate on my laptop. I don't see a CD/DVD burning software
> that came with the build. Any suggestions?

I'd recommend Etcher. It's never failed me.

Cheers,

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Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet

[Phil Dobbin]

On 23/03/18 12:20, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 04:04:17PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote:
>> Another reference, thanks. Still not specific.
> 
> Let's rewind the discussion.
> 
> The original context was "why do I need to have a dot in my HELO string".
> 
> The reason you need a dot in your HELO string is because SMTP receivers
> may reject you as a spammer (or incompetent, same end result) if you do
> not have one.
> 
> That's all.
> 
> All this academic crap about nodes and empty lists is irrelevant.
> 

+1. And now... relax.

Cheers,

  Phil.

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Re: Debian networking - accessing public-side servers from a private network

[Phil Reynolds]

On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 10:59:24 +0100
Pascal Hambourg <pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org> wrote:

> How does it know the router address if there is no route ?
> Maybe the output of the following command is more complete :
> 
> ip -4 route show table all

http://paste.debian.net/1002048/
 
> Is the IPv4 configuration static or dynamic (DHCP) ?

DHCP.
 
> >>> Output of "route -A inet6" is much longer - see  
> (...)
> > http://paste.debian.net/1001920/  
> 
> A bit hard to read. "ip -6 route show" would be easier to read.
> Anyway it looks like it contains the usual IPv6 routes (subnet
> prefix, link-local prefix, local addresses, default route with
> router).

ip -6 route show - no output.
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Re: Debian networking - accessing public-side servers from a private network

[Phil Reynolds]

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 20:57:09 +0100
Pascal Hambourg <pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org> wrote:

> Now you seem to have found a rather good solution (not based on some 
> hackish NAT, convoluted routing or complex split DNS), it may be
> uselee to carry on this thread, but I am just interested and curious.
> 
> Le 21/12/2017 à 12:10, Phil Reynolds a écrit :
> > On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 07:23:06 +0100
> > Pascal Hambourg <pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org> wrote:
> >   
> >> How are TCP/IP parameters configured on the client ?
> >> Could you show its routing table ?  
> > 
> > Output of "route" on it:
> > 
> > Destination 192.168.0.0 Gateway * Genmask 255.255.255.0 Flags U
> > Metric 0 Ref 0 Use 0 Iface wlan0  
> 
> Is that all ? No default route ?
> How can it reach any address outside the private subnet ?

What it can see locally on the physical network, it reaches. Otherwise
it goes through the router. I haven't interfered with this at all.

> > Output of "route -A inet6" is much longer - see
> > http://paste.debian.net/1001796 - note that this is "as is", I
> > haven't concealed anything.  
> 
> That does not look like an IPv6 routing table, not even like any
> routing table. It rather looks like some key=value pair config file.
> Here are the few first lines of what I see :

Indeed, I have no idea where it actually went. Now at
http://paste.debian.net/1001920/

> >>>> All the IPv4 and IPv6 nameservers used by the client must resolve
> >>>> the name into the private address. If they also serve the public
> >>>> zone, you must set up "split DNS" to server different versions
> >>>> for private and public clients.  
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately I have found no way to override the radvd-provided
> >>> DNS server addresses - otherwise I would have done this.  
> >> Aren't you in control of the router configuration and which IPv6
> >> DNS servers are advertised in the RAs it sends (radvd ?), and of
> >> these servers behaviour ?  
> > 
> > I am in control but it's a case of "can it be done and if so
> > how?".  
> 
> If the IPv6 router advertisements are sent by radvd on the router,
> the RDNSS option advertising the IPv6 DNS addresses are defined in
> the config file /etc/radvd.conf. The defined DNS server(s), along
> with the IPv4 ones, should be under your control and set up to serve
> different records for the Asterisk server name based on the query
> source address. This is called split DNS. In BIND the feature is
> named "views".

Perhaps I should say "I am in control of the radvd but the IPv6
nameservers are not mine and therefore I cannot control their
behaviour." 

It may be possible for me to use dnsmasq to provide a workaround, but
as things stand now I don't need it.

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Re: Debian networking - accessing public-side servers from a private network

[Phil Reynolds]

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:10:40 +
Phil Reynolds <phil-deb...@tinsleyviaduct.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 07:23:06 +0100
> Pascal Hambourg <pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org> wrote:
> > Just another thought : isn't it possible to set up Asterisk to
> > listen explicitly on both the private and public IPv4 addresses
> > instead of any local address, so that it opens two separate
> > sockets ? This way I think it would reply with the proper source
> > address.  
>  
> Not tried that yet but I will, a bit later.

That seems to be effective.

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Re: Debian networking - accessing public-side servers from a private network

[Phil Reynolds]

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 17:30:25 +0900
メット <m...@pmars.jp> wrote:


> Try setup asterisk address as ANY ie.
> 0.0.0.0.
> 
> Then asterisk will act on both addresses.

That is probably the equivalent of the default, i.e. no address
specified, which fails as indicated. I will however try it later.

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Re: Debian networking - accessing public-side servers from a private network

[Phil Reynolds]

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 07:23:06 +0100
Pascal Hambourg <pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org> wrote:

> How are TCP/IP parameters configured on the client ?
> Could you show its routing table ?

Output of "route" on it:

Destination 192.168.0.0 Gateway * Genmask 255.255.255.0 Flags U Metric
0 Ref 0 Use 0 Iface wlan0

Output of "route -A inet6" is much longer - see
http://paste.debian.net/1001796 - note that this is "as is", I haven't
concealed anything.

> >>> - If I could get the phone to pick up the private address of the
> >>> Asterisk box rather than the public one, that would probably
> >>> work. I have tried setting up to do this with dnsmasq, but the
> >>> IPv6 settings for DNS cause this to be overridden. If I could
> >>> somehow change the priority of this on the phone, it would help.  
> >>
> >> All the IPv4 and IPv6 nameservers used by the client must resolve
> >> the name into the private address. If they also serve the public
> >> zone, you must set up "split DNS" to server different versions for
> >> private and public clients.  
> > 
> > Unfortunately I have found no way to override the radvd-provided DNS
> > server addresses - otherwise I would have done this.  
> Aren't you in control of the router configuration and which IPv6 DNS 
> servers are advertised in the RAs it sends (radvd ?), and of these 
> servers behaviour ?

I am in control but it's a case of "can it be done and if so how?".

> Just another thought : isn't it possible to set up Asterisk to listen 
> explicitly on both the private and public IPv4 addresses instead of
> any local address, so that it opens two separate sockets ? This way I
> think it would reply with the proper source address.
 
Not tried that yet but I will, a bit later.

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Re: Debian networking - accessing public-side servers from a private network

[Phil Reynolds]

On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:08:21 +0100
Pascal Hambourg <pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org> wrote:

> IIUC, both the public and the private subnets are on the same
> physical LAN ?

Yes, that is correct.
 
> > If I set up Zoiper to use the FQDN of the Asterisk box, it
> > connects  
> 
> I guess you mean the public domain name pointing to the public IPv4 
> addresse ?

Points to the public IPv6 and IPv4 addresses - most places other than
home do not currently have IPv6, though.

> > just fine when I am not at home. However, when I am at home, it
> > still uses the public IP address (192.0.2.51) of the Asterisk box,
> > which, because it can see the phone directly, then responds using
> > its own private address (192.168.0.4) - this causes Zoiper to fail
> > to register. (it is clear from a tcpdump that this is happening)  
> 
> That's really bad. I consider that Asterisk is faulty here. In theory 
> UDP is not connection-oriented but in practice many client/server 
> protocols based on UDP use some form of loose connection and work
> better through stateful firewalls and NATs when the reply packet
> source address is equal to the request packet destination address.

I will try to chase this up further with the Asterisk developers, but
their main answer has been "use the private address when at home". I do
agree it's a fault with Asterisk.

> > At no point does the router get involved in the communication
> > between the phone and the Asterisk box. To do so might make things
> > easier, or could just add an unnecessary layer of complexity.  
> 
> How does the private client know that the public server address is 
> reachable directly on the LAN an not through the router ?

That I couldn't say, but it's plainly the case.

> > The answer to the problem could lie in several places:
> > 
> > - If I could somehow get the phone to use the NAT to communicate
> > with the Asterisk box, that would probably work.  
> 
> You could use SNAT in the POSTROUTING chain on the router you can
> force routing of the public server address from the client through
> the router. Or you could use SNAT on the server (in the INPUT chain
> on recent enough kernels) when the incoming packet has a private
> source address and a public destination address.
> However in either case SIP requires special by netfilter with the 
> conntrack and NAT SIP handler.

Indeed, SIP can get mighty complicated with NAT. It's part of the
reason I prefer to use IAX for clients that connect from outside.

> > - If I could get the phone to pick up the private address of the
> >Asterisk box rather than the public one, that would probably
> > work. I have tried setting up to do this with dnsmasq, but the IPv6
> > settings for DNS cause this to be overridden. If I could somehow
> > change the priority of this on the phone, it would help.  
> 
> All the IPv4 and IPv6 nameservers used by the client must resolve the 
> name into the private address. If they also serve the public zone,
> you must set up "split DNS" to server different versions for private
> and public clients.

Unfortunately I have found no way to override the radvd-provided DNS
server addresses - otherwise I would have done this.

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Re: Debian networking - accessing public-side servers from a private network

[Phil Reynolds]

On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 18:22:47 +
Phil Reynolds <phil-deb...@tinsleyviaduct.com> wrote:
> If I set up Zoiper to use the FQDN of the Asterisk box, it connects
> just fine when I am not at home. However, when I am at home, it still
> uses the public IP address (192.0.2.51) of the Asterisk box, which,
> because it can see the phone directly, then responds using its own
> private address (192.168.0.4) - this causes Zoiper to fail to
> register. (it is clear from a tcpdump that this is happening)
> 
> At no point does the router get involved in the communication between
> the phone and the Asterisk box. To do so might make things easier, or
> could just add an unnecessary layer of complexity.
> 
> The answer to the problem could lie in several places:
> 
> - If I could persuade the Asterisk box to respond on its public
> address rather than its private one, that would probably work.

... and, by adding two bindaddrs to the iax.conf, I have made this
happen. It no longer listens on 192.168.0.4, and my Android phone now
registers with it even when I'm at home, with no fiddling with anything
else.

Obviously, if I ever did need IAX on the local IPv4, I would have to
reopen this, so by no means do I consider this a permanent solution.
However, at present I can work with it. If some other solution (other
than the pinnacle, IPv6-enabled Zoiper) can be found, that would be
even better.

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Debian networking - accessing public-side servers from a private network

[Phil Reynolds]

I have a network with a Debian router, using iptables for NAT and
firewalling. Connected to it via a Wi-fi acces point is, among other
things, an Android phone. This is mosty relevant in that I cannot vary
its settings very much, other than by changing them on the router.

I have IPv6 on the network, and, were all the apps I need to use on the
phone enabled, there would not be a problem, however some of them
require IPv4.

I have both public and private networks - let's say they are
192.0.2.48/28 and 192.168.0.0/24.

My network includes several physical machines that act as servers, and
all such machines have addresses in both IPv4 ranges, statically
assigned. Machines not used as servers have private addresses only,
assigned by DHCP. radvd is in use to assign IPv6 addresses and DNS
servers.

It is probably most notable that one server is running Asterisk, as it
is partially herein that the problem lies. I am trying to connect
Zoiper on the Android phone to it using IAX.

The router has addresses 192.0.2.49 and 192.168.0.1. The Asterisk box
has 192.0.2.51 and 192.168.0.4. The phone has been assigned
192.168.0.130 on this occasion. The router has NAT set up on
192.0.2.62 to enabre the private address only systems to access the
Internet.

If I set up Zoiper to use the FQDN of the Asterisk box, it connects
just fine when I am not at home. However, when I am at home, it still
uses the public IP address (192.0.2.51) of the Asterisk box, which,
because it can see the phone directly, then responds using its own
private address (192.168.0.4) - this causes Zoiper to fail to register.
(it is clear from a tcpdump that this is happening)

At no point does the router get involved in the communication between
the phone and the Asterisk box. To do so might make things easier, or
could just add an unnecessary layer of complexity.

The answer to the problem could lie in several places:

- If I could somehow get the phone to use the NAT to communicate with
  the Asterisk box, that would probably work.

- If I could get the phone to pick up the private address of the
  Asterisk box rather than the public one, that would probably work. I
  have tried setting up to do this with dnsmasq, but the IPv6 settings
  for DNS cause this to be overridden. If I could somehow change the
  priority of this on the phone, it would help.

- If I could persuade the Asterisk box to respond on its public address
  rather than its private one, that would probably work.

- If I could find an IPv6-enabled equivalent of Zoiper, that would
  probably work.

- If I could find an equivalent of Zoiper that would work registered to
  the private IP address when at home and the public one elsewhere,
  that would work.

The first three, if possible, should be possible on the Debian side of
things. The others are clearly outside Debian.

I am happy to do whatever it takes to investigate this further, but am
a bit at a loss on how to proceed from here.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how I might proceed?

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Re: Compatible laptops

[Phil Dobbin]

On 12/11/17 00:21, Maureen L Thomas wrote:

> I do know that this list is for real problems but I am looking to get a
> new laptop, 17 inch preferable or an all in one computer.  The problem
> is I have only used Toshiba laptops and have had no problems with them. 
> I do not know if an all in one would be a good choice for debian.  I do
> not need a game playing machine.  If there is a list where this request
> is more appropriate please head me in the right direction.

Hi Maureen.

Over the last several years I've had great results with
Hewlett-Packard's Elitebooks. I'm not sure that they do a 17" machine
but I'd have thought so.

They'd have no problems running Debian.

Cheers,

  Phil

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Re: estamated number of Linux users?

[Phil Dobbin]

On 27/10/17 19:37, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Phil Dobbin wrote:
>> Kingsley Amis on his loss of libido when he turned fifty
> 
> Not a problem any more in our times of digital wonders.
> In case of loss, simply re-install
>   https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libido3-0.1-0

:-)

Cheers,

  Phil.

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Re: estamated number of Linux users?

[Phil Dobbin]

On 27/10/17 17:27, Ric Moore wrote:

> On 10/26/2017 11:21 PM, John Hasler wrote:
>> Celejar writes:
>>> https://www.linuxcounter.net/
>>> I don't know how meaningful its data are.
>>
>> Utterly useless.
> 
> I wouldn't demean the Linux Counter effort calling it "Utterly useless".
> Those folks have maintained the site since 1999 or so. It is what it
> is... a database of users who have bothered to have themselves counted
> as a Linux User. They don't claim to be anything else. Ric

I totally agree. It's pretty low to demean people's efforts at all but
especially people who are giving up their time to further a project dear
to us all.

Cheers,

  Phil.

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Re: Request of recommendations for public Mercurial repository hosting

[Phil Dobbin]

On 17/09/17 20:00, Mario Castelán Castro wrote:

> On 17/09/17 13:52, Phil Dobbin wrote:
>> GitHub meets all your requirements plus you can host a web site there
>> with their GitHub Pages option.
>>
>> All free to use in your case :-)
> 
> Please note that I am asking for *Mercurial* hosting.
> 
> Also, I watch disapprovingly as “source code hosting” increasingly
> becomes a synonymous of “GitHub hosting” in the herd's mind. GitHub will
> become (or maybe it is already) a single point of failure. It has a lot
> of user data and the capability to introduce backdoors into a lot of
> software, so it already a juicy target for government agencies. I
> wouldn't host any own project on it even if I used Git for them.

Fair enough. Be sure to let us know if any of those suspicions come to pass.

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Re: Request of recommendations for public Mercurial repository hosting

[Phil Dobbin]

On 17/09/17 18:04, Mario Castelán Castro wrote:

> (Note: cross posted to Mercurial mailing list and debian-user mailing list)
> 
> Hello. I am looking for a place to host a small free software (as in
> freedom) project. I write to ask for your recommendations.
> 
> There are a few requirements:
> 
> (1) A public Mercurial repository is required. Features like bug
> trackers, private repositories and pull requests are irrelevant for my
> use case[1].
> 
> (2) Hosting static web pages for the project would be good, but it is
> not required.
> 
> (3) I highly mistrust and oppose Google (it is the big eye in the
> Internet) so a necessary requirement is that there is no Google JavaScript.
> 
> (4) Users that block JavaScript must be able to at least see the
> repository URI. Requiring JavaScript for the developers (me) is
> acceptable, as long as it is not Google's.
> 
> My only candidate so far is Bitbucket. I want to know if there are other
> options. I have already discarded SourceForge because it has Google JS.
> All other providers that I know either are paid or do not offer
> Mercurial. Unfortunately, most only offer Git.
> 
> Footnotes:
> 
> [1]: This is a one-man project and it is formally verified, so the
> probability of bugs is nearly zero. In the event that anybody wants to
> send a patch, it would be handled through e-mail (with “hg bundle”). I
> never understood what is good about pull requests.
> 

GitHub meets all your requirements plus you can host a web site there
with their GitHub Pages option.

All free to use in your case :-)

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Re: Atril configuration saving

[Phil Dobbin]

On 30/08/17 12:27, Haines Brown wrote:

> I find the atril pdf viewer to be the most satisfactory choice for my
> needs. However, a problem is that it does not save my configuration.
> 
> More specifically, I go to its View menu and set my desired
> configuration. Then I go to Edit, Save Current Settings as Default. It
> has no effect, and atril  opens with other values.
> 
> I should note that I don't run any desktop environment, not Mate or any
> other. None of the files in /usr/bin or in /usr/share/atril appear to
> specify configuration values.  My guess is that atril would look for a
> file such as /usr/share/atril/atril-config.xml or ~/.atril in which
> configuration values are set.

Hi Haines.

You'd maybe get a better result filing an issue at Atril's repo on GitHub:

<https://github.com/mate-desktop/atril>

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Re: Parler est comme jouer au tennis avec des réceptions et envois de la balle Pauline

[Phil Dobbin]

On 28/08/17 12:42, ranet.boua...@free.fr wrote:

>  c qui

Hi.

This the Debian User list for English speakers.

You can find the French variant here:

<https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/>

Cheers

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Re: mijn e-mails

[Phil Dobbin]

On 25/08/17 10:12, Floris wrote:

> Op Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:54:27 +0200 schreef wilfried martens
> <wilfried.li...@telenet.be>:
> 
> Schrijf me maar uit, a.u.b.
> 
> 
> Hier lees je hoe je dat kan doen:
> https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub

Hi Floris.

This the English speaking Debian User list. A Dutch one can be found at:

<https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-dutch/>

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Re: kvm/qemu virtual machine can't find hard drives

[Phil Wyett]

On Thu, 2017-08-17 at 18:12 -0700, Gary Roach wrote:
> On 08/17/2017 10:50 AM, Bob Weber wrote:
> > On 8/17/17 1:06 PM, Gary Roach wrote:
> > Usually the qemu vm runs from a file (created by qemu-img) set up as a disk
> > drive by qemu.  I use Virtual Machine Manager (along with libvirtd) which
> > can do
> > all the hard stuff for you.  I usually make my own virtual drive files with
> > qemu-img and let Virtual Machine Manager control access to them.  libvirtd
> > does
> > a good job of letting you run qemu from your user account and access the
> > necessary resources on the host machine.  libvirtd sets up all the network
> > devices and bridges needed to access the real world. Virtual Machine Manager
> > can
> > connect to USB devices on the host machine, manage CD drive access (either
> > to
> > hardware cd drive or iso images ... like an install image), boot devices
> > (usually the sda drive or cd drive), the amount of memory for each vm and
> > additional drive you may want (like to try multi disk raid).   Virtual
> > Machine
> > Manager opens up a vnc (or spice) window where you can see the output from
> > the
> > vm when it is running on your kde desktop .. either text mode or graphical
> > mode.  I have about 15 vm's defined.  One runs debian with kde to handle my
> > weather station.  Another runs win 10 (ug) so I can do my taxes.  Most of
> > the
> > others are debian and kde testing and unstable installs that I use to test
> > updates before I commit them to my host desktop machine.
> > 
> > Most debian installs work easily with a 20 or 20 GB virtual drive.  You
> > create
> > the file necessary with a command like this:
> > 
> > qemu-img create -f qcow2 /home/img/Mymachine/drive.img 30G
> > 
> > This assumes that /home is mounted on your 1TB drive.  Looks like the
> > packages
> > to get you started are libvirt-daemon-system and virt-manager.
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > ...bob
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Sorry bob but the  debian 9 archives doesn't include libvirtd or 
> anything equivalent. I have been trying to use virt-manager but have 
> gotten a bit confused. The screen shot is attached. I have two hard 
> drives. One is a 160 Gb boot drive called bootdisk and another empty 1 
> Tb drive called bigdisk. It looks like virt-manager picked the empty 1Tb 
> drive and only allocated 20 Gb to the program. I hit the Volumes + but 
> didn't see any way to add the boot drive. Are we talking about a virtual 
> drive that is situated in the bigdisk. Is the guest OS situated in the 
> bigdisk. If so, this is not a bad thing since I will probably have 
> massive amounts of data produced. But I do need to figure out what I am 
> dealing with.
> 
> Any help will be appreciated.
> 
> Gary R.

Hi,

Recap. You have two HDDs:

[1] One 160GB with the OS on so '/'.
[2] Second 1TB.

Correct?

Does [2] get mounted as '/home' or are you using it as a extra data drive? How
are you mounting it in '/etc/fstab'?

You can use the command 'df -h' in the terminal to see mount points.

If [1] is the OS drive as you suggest, the VM HDD is on there. Look at the
screenshot. There is a default pool for VM disk images at
'/var/lib/libvirt/images' and that is where you created the 20GB image.

Regards

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Re: LibreOffice - middle click paste does not work.

[Phil Wyett]

On Tue, 2017-08-08 at 07:08 +0200, Kamil Jońca wrote:
> 
> Sid box with libreoffice.
> After recent upgrade I realized that paste selection with Middle Mouse
> button does not work. Can anyone confirm? I do not know if I have to
> report bug :)
> KJ
> 

Hi,

I would file a bug. Testing here.

Stretch - 5.2.7-1:

Middle click  paste into gedit - PASS.
Middle click paste into libreoffice-
writer - PASS.

Buster - libreoffice-writer 5.4.0-1:

Middle click  paste into gedit - PASS.
Middle click paste into libreoffice-writer - FAIL.

Sid - libreoffice-writer 5.4.0-1:

Middle click  paste into gedit - PASS.
Middle click paste into libreoffice-
writer - FAIL.

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Re: Question on using Debian with Davis weather station data loggers

[Phil Wyett]

On Wed, 2017-07-12 at 21:07 -0500, Jason wrote:
> I have a Davis Vantage Pro2 weather station and would like to get a
> data logger for it but I'm not sure what it would take to retrieve
> the
> data with Linux. They have a USB version and a Serial version data
> logger available, both packaged with either Windows or Mac software.
> 
> I'd be curious if anyone on here has any recommendations for which
> version would be most compatible with Linux and what is needed to
> make
> it work. All I want is to be able to retrieve the data (maybe in
> CSV format?) so I can import to a spreadsheet.
> 
> Thanks.

Hi,

Google is your friend here. Search: Davis Vantage Pro2 linux

You get a whole host of info, people who have done it, software etc.

Examples:

http://www.joejaworski.com/weather/
http://www.weewx.com/
http://www.wviewweather.com/

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Re: Bash Question

[Phil Wyett]

On Wed, 2017-07-05 at 23:12 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> can anybody help to explain what is going on here ?
>  
>  
> rd@mohot:~$ echo $SHELL 
> /bin/bash 
> rd@mohot:~$ if [ "abc" > "dec" ]; then echo bad; fi   
> bad 
> rd@mohot:~$ if [ "abc" < "dec" ]; then echo good; fi 
> good 
> rd@mohot:~$ 
> 
> How can abc sort before and after dec at the same time?
>  
> Thanks
> Rainer
>  
>  
> -- 
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> http://bokomoko.de/


Hi,

Not sure what you are exactly trying to accomplish and you may need
to explain further.

If you want to basic string compare:

if [[ "abc" < "dec" ]]; then echo true; else echo false; fi

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Re: Problems with apt in a clean stretch install.

[Phil Wyett]

On Tue, 2017-07-04 at 20:50 +0930, Wayne Hartell wrote:
> > Er ... sorry that last email should read " Phil Wyett's
> > suggestion" in
> 
> this thread. 
> 
> Yes, trying Phil's suggestion and will report back once I have had
> the time
> to explore it properly (several systems now exhibiting this
> problem). As a
> teaser, it seems that even software-properties-gtk creates the
> trusted.gpg
> file, but even with that file deleted (as per Phil) and sticking to
> the
> terminal and apt-get, I get the same key related errors. In fact if
> I use
> software-properties-gtk it seems to jam up on "Refeshing software
> cache"...
> has been going on one machine now over 30 minutes.
> 

Hi,

When running 'software-properties-gtk' you may see:

gpg: keyblock resource '/etc/apt/trusted.gpg': Permission denied

in the terminal, but I see no creation of the file here.

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Re: Problems with apt in a clean stretch install.

[Phil Wyett]

On Tue, 2017-07-04 at 20:50 +0930, Wayne Hartell wrote:
> > Er ... sorry that last email should read " Phil Wyett's
> > suggestion" in
> 
> this thread. 
> 
> Yes, trying Phil's suggestion and will report back once I have had
> the time
> to explore it properly (several systems now exhibiting this
> problem). As a
> teaser, it seems that even software-properties-gtk creates the
> trusted.gpg
> file, but even with that file deleted (as per Phil) and sticking to
> the
> terminal and apt-get, I get the same key related errors. In fact if
> I use
> software-properties-gtk it seems to jam up on "Refeshing software
> cache"...
> has been going on one machine now over 30 minutes.
> 


Hi,

I do not use the main server. I switched 'software-properties-gtk' to
use it and I also get a hang at the what seems the end of the 'reload'
process. In the terminal I see:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-
packages/softwareproperties/gtk/DialogCacheOutdated.py", line 86, in
on_pktask_finish
results = self._pktask.generic_finish(result)
GLib.Error: pk-client-error-quark: E: The repository 'http://deb.debia
n.org/debian stretch/updates Release' does not have a Release file.
W: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
therefore disabled by default.
W: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
configuration details.
 (319)

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-
packages/softwareproperties/gtk/DialogCacheOutdated.py", line 89, in
on_pktask_finish
Gtk.ButtonsType.CANCEL, _("Error while refreshing cache"))
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/overrides/__init__.py", line
326, in new_init
return super_init_func(self, **new_kwargs)
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/overrides/Gtk.py", line 537,
in __init__
self._init(*args, **new_kwargs)
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/overrides/__init__.py", line
326, in new_init
return super_init_func(self, **new_kwargs)
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/overrides/__init__.py", line
326, in new_init
return super_init_func(self, **new_kwargs)
TypeError: could not convert value for property `transient_for' from
DialogCacheOutdated to GtkWindow

Using a mirror such as bytemark.co.uk, results in no issues here.



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Re: Problems with apt in a clean stretch install.

[Phil Wyett]

On Tue, 2017-07-04 at 06:56 -0400, SDA wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 08:17:53PM +0930, Wayne Hartell wrote:
> 
> Er ... sorry that last email should read " Phil Wyett's
> suggestion" in 
> this thread. 
> 

Hi,

Additional info. Why via synaptic the 'trusted.gpg' file is being
created needs investigation.

The file is a 32 byte file (way to small to be a valid key) is not
even viewable by normal key view methods i.e.

gpg -k /etc/apt/trusted.gpg

or

gpg -K /etc/apt/trusted.gpg

/me has the feeling the file is just garbage.

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Re: Problems with apt in a clean stretch install.

[Phil Wyett]

On Tue, 2017-07-04 at 12:02 +0200, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> On 04-07-17, Wayne Hartell wrote:
> > > Wayne Hartell composed on 2017-07-04 15:46 (UTC+0930):
> > > 
> > > > ...I managed to solve this error after checking that the
> > > > permissions on /etc/apt/trusted.gpg were 0600 and edited them
> > > > to
> > > > be 0644. (Is this the correct default permission for the file
> > > > trusted.gpg?)...
> > > 
> > > I have to guess 644 is correct, as that is what is set on the
> > > Stretch I have booted currently (as are all regular files in
> > > /etc/apt/), and I've never touched it myself.
> > > 
> > > Do you get the same errors running 'apt update' instead of 'apt-
> > > get
> > > update'?
> > 
> > Yes, it seems that I get the same errors that way too.
> > 
> > I tried a new clean install test and seem to end up with
> > permissions
> > under /etc/apt/ always as 0600, so I am not sure what is going on.
> > Looks like an issue with a clean install, but I am wondering why
> > it's
> > not coming up more often (unless most people are upgrading from
> > Jessie).
> > 
> > 
> 
> Out of the head, but you did check install media with MD5 or SHA
> sums?
> Also, many people did do clean install of Jessie. Though, it is
> annoying
> bug for sure. But it is probably not so widespread. Perhaps you
> could
> give it a shot on a clean install with root enabled from start, you
> can
> always allow sudo for your user after that?
> 
> 

Hi all,

This issue seems to be created by 'synaptic'.

If you you 'apt' in the terminal, you will be fine.

If you use 'software-properties-gtk' to adjust repositories, you will
be fine.

The issue is created if you run 'synaptic' and then adjust
repositories via 'Settings -> Repositories. A soon as you do this a
file '/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' is created and it is this that is throwing
everything off.

Output:

philwyett@ks-skywalker:~$ synaptic-pkexec 
ERROR:root:Cannot import UbuntuDrivers: No module named
'UbuntuDrivers'
gpg: keybox '/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' created
ERROR:root:Cannot import UbuntuDrivers: No module named
'UbuntuDrivers'
gpg: keybox '/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' created

It is the last line that is the issue. If you run 'software-
properties-gtk' and adjust repositories, the file is not created.

Quick remedy:

sudo rm -f /etc/apt/trusted.gpg

Now run 'synaptic' or 'apt' as usual. If you run 'synaptic', do not
use the menu option 'Settings -> Repositories.

This could probably do with a bug raising.

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Re: su won't work from a debian live USB install

[Phil Wyett]

On Sun, 2017-06-25 at 19:20 -0400, daniel theobald wrote:
> I installed the Debian 9 from a Debian live amd64 image I downloaded
> today.  Everything works great, but I can't su to apt-get anything
> new.
> 
> theo@debian:~$ su
> Password: 
> su: Authentication failure
> 
> I have reinstalled twice, being super careful to get the password
> right, etc.  But it simply doesn't seem to work on this version. 
> Anyone else seeing this problem?
> 
> Thanks,
> Daniel
> 

Hi,

I have seen this issue too.

I have not had time to look into this issue, but believe it maybe
related to a known issue No. 3 on:

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.0.1-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=864955

After the live 9.0.0 ISO failed early in install and now the 'su'
issue. This raises questions about the testing and QA of of the live
ISO images, both pre release and at release time that need to be
discussed and addressed in-order to avoid them in the future.

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Re: Debian 9.0.0 iso

[Phil Wyett]

On Wed, 2017-06-21 at 07:43 +0300, Dalios wrote:
> On 06/21/2017 06:35 AM, sare...@att.net wrote:
> > The full version of Debian 9.0.0 iso will not install from a flash
> > drive. It boots
> > into the live desktop with no option to install to hard drive. The
> > CD version will
> > install. The one from the flash drive looks for a CD after
> > choosing the language and
> > keyboard language. What is wrong with your iso's. I have installed
> > many Linux and
> > Debian systems and never had any problems with installing from
> > flash drives. 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi sarez,
> 
> what do you mean by "The full version of Debian 9.0.0 iso"? Can you
> give
> the link from the page you downloaded it?
> 
> 
> Dalios
> 

Hi,

I believe the user means the 9 live images that have a known issue and
will not install at this time. The issue is being worked on and
hopefully new/fixed live images will be released very soon.

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Re: Firefox n'arrive plus à afficher les fichiers jsp + d'autres sites

[phil-deb1 . merlin]

Le samedi 19 novembre 2016, 13:23:20 CET andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
> Apparement, encore un blême avec Firefox.
> 
> Ce site ne fonctionne pas :
> 
> http://www.primaire2016.org/ou-voter/
> 
> Une fois le formulaire renseigné,
> je clique sur "Chercher" et rien ne se passe.
> 
> Avez vous la même erreur ?
> 
Pas de problème pour moi.
Philippe Merlin
firefox 50 + Debian Sid AMD64

migration mysql-server-5.5 vers mysql-server-5.6

[phil-deb1 . merlin]

Bonjour,
Mon serveur est en Sid AMD64, aujourd'hui je me suis trouvé sans messagerie 
(Kmail)  et après recherche je me suis rendu compte que le serveur mysql ne 
fonctionnait plus à la suite d'une mise à jour récente de mysql-server-5.5  , 
un "down upgrade" grâce à snapshot  a réglé le problème.
Par la même occasion je me suis rendu compte que cette version du serveur 
mysql la 5.5 n'était maintenu que par debian-security et que c'était les 
versions 5.6 ou même 5.7 qui évoluaient.
Ma question est la suivante, n'étant pas expert en base de données mysql et ne 
voulant pas trop approfondir, par manque de temps, Es ce difficile de migrer de 
5.5 en 5.6 ?  
j'ai 3 bases de données mysql  que je ne gère absolument pas:
innodb,  phpmyadmin, akonadi 
Les problèmes que je peux rencontrer?
Tout conseil est la bienvenue.
Philippe Merlin

my email in box is full of posts from your list

[phil hall]

i had 20 emails from you, all todays posts since i reported a bug.
could you please unsubscribe me as it is just spam traffic

thanks

phil

you iso's may have been hacked

[phil hall]

i have just downloaded debian gnome 8.5.0 when complete i clicked check MD5
sum it listed a number that's not in your MD5sum document. I have never
checked an MD5sum, so don't know if this is a Mint bug or you've been hacked

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[phil]

On 25/07/2016 9:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
> (Bringing it back to both lists so those who are telling Gene he
> should upgrade his debian can get a clue.)
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Gene Heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> wrote:
>> On Saturday 23 July 2016 05:41:29 Michael Schumacher wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/22/2016 10:32 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>>> But when I hit the help menu, up pops the help for 2.6!  So I fire
>>>> up synaptic and check to see if I am out of date, because the
>>>> "context help" doesn't work at all.  Yup, I'm up to date allright,
>>>> got gimp-2.8.2 but the doc files are for 2.6.x.  Debian wheezy at
>>>> your service, NOT.
>>>
>>> Well, actually you are not up-to-date at all - this is because you
>>> choose to run the oldstable Debian release.
>>>
>>> This also means you're missing most of the bug fixes that have
>>> happened in 2.8 since 2.8.2 has been released (minus some security
>>> fixes, maybe).
>>>
>>>> Did this train lose its conductor a few stops back?  Or how can I
>>>> back it up to when it Just Worked(TM) quite a bit of the time?
>>>
>>> You should check whether you can and want to upgrade to a more current
>>> Debian release. Or, in train terms: check if you want to board a train
>>> that is actually going somewhere, instead of the museum train that's
>>> running around in circles on its closed track.
>>
>> True, but I am stuck with a distribution that can run LinuxCNC, which has
>> a need for a real time capable kernel. The guys are working on it but so
>> far have not managed to get good enough IRQ response with kernels post
>> 3.4.9-55 to run stepper motors direct, they have to be delegated to
>> specialized control cards that run from $90 to 3 or 400, depending on
>> the complexity of the machine being controlled.
> 
> (I suppose I should restrain myself, and it doesn't help Gene at all
> for me to say, to the pro-systemd sheeple, that this is what I was
> warning about. But this is what I was warning about.
> 
> Oh, for someone to foot me a few hundred million JPY to fork the
> kernel and strip it of all the damage done in trying to deal with that
> cabal.
> 
> Ah, but I'd prefer to write a new kernel from scratch and get rid of a
> whole lot of cruft. Linus has done well, and the bazaar has worked
> well, but the committee effects take their toll. Systemd was just the
> worst visible evidence of the committee effect to date. And I doubt
> anyone reading this except Gene understands my mumbling, so I really
> should restrain myself. :-<  )
> 

No Joel i'm sure plenty of us understand exactly what you are getting at
. . .

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[HS] email blacklistée

[phil-deb1 . merlin]

Bonjour, 
J'ai eu la surprise récemment d'avoir mon adresse email principal blacklistée, 
j'aimerai savoir si cela vous est déjà arrivé, si oui comment? 
Voilà les faits j'utilise kmail pour chercher et envoyer mes messages, la 
périodicité de rapatriement des messages est de 5 minutes, à partir de 
mercredi dernier dans l'après midi impossible de rapatrier les messages, je ne 
m'inquiète pas trop, imputant le problème à une panne du FAI (Free), le 
lendemain même problème, je décide de consulter ma messagerie à l'aide d'un 
navigateur , impossible. Alors je consulte mon interface de gestion de mon 
compte Free et là je ne voie plus mon email. Je téléphone à Free pour demander 
des explications et là on m'apprends que mon compte est blacklisté, qu'on 
compatit à ma situation mais que c'est un organisme indépendant du FAI qui l'a 
fait comme Hadopi on me dit on me donne une adresse abuse.net pour envoyer un 
message demandant la réactivation du compte et des explications sur le pb 
ainsi qu'une page web expliquant les causes probables du pb. 
Ce qui me révolte c'est que je n'ai pas été averti ni par l'organisme gendarme 
ni par mon FAI, Hadopi qu'ils donnent comme exemple envoie des avertissements. 
Philippe Merlin 

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Aide Mysql

[phil-deb1 . merlin]

Bonjour,
Vous allez dire Mysql ce n'est pas Debian et il devrait mettre un HS devant 
l'objet de son message. Voilà les faits au mois de Mai à la suite d'un upgrade 
je me trouve sans pouvoir utiliser Kmail avec un message akonadi serveur ne 
fonctionne plus, la seule méthode trouvée a été de downgrader le paquet, le 
10 Mai je crée un rapport de Bug n° #747637 sans résultat à ce jour, sauf qu'un 
autre utilisateur a confirmé le problème et l'a cerné en mettant en évidence un 
pb de création de table rejeté par Mysql avec une erreur 150. Ces jours 
derniers à la suite d'upgrade successif j'ai été forcé de mettre à jour 
akonadi-server et comme le problème n'a pas été corrigé je me trouve depuis 
quelques jours sans messagerie kmail ne fonctionnant plus. Je me suis dit que 
je pouvais essayer de corriger et de créer cette table mysql même si je ne 
connais rien à Mysql pour que akonadi fonctionne enfin et je me heurte toujours 
à l'erreur 150. Voilà le problème Mysql : peux t'on créer une table avec deux 
foreign key dans deux tables différentes une des tables est type myisam l'autre 
innodb, en lisant la documentation il semble si je me trompe pas que les 
foreign key doivent référencer des tables innodb?
Si c'est bien là le problème un alter de la table myisam en innodb suffit de 
régler le pb ? Les données qui sont dans cette table ne sont pas modifiées ?
Merci pour votre aide.
Philippe Merlin

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Deb 7.4 Mouse Worked Live Not After Install

[Phil newcombe]

Hi all. Back trying Debian again after many years.

Am having hard time with mouse pointer in latest linuxes. After trying 
about 7 distros on my machine the Deb 7.4 live CD was the only one that 
worked. But then after installation the mouse pointer no longer responds 
- just sits in the middle of the screen not moving (like with many of 
the other distros - but at least it worked live). Something's happening 
because random icons and buttons highlight as I try to move the mouse 
around and the buttons work.


I tried firing it up in rescue mode and got the following, repeating 
over and over (I'm not sure which line would be the actual start of the 
block):


input: PixArt USB Optical Mouse as 
/devices/pci:00/:00:1d.1/usb6/6-2/6-2:1.0/input/inputnn
generic-usb 0003:093a:2510.000E: input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.11 Mouse 
[PixArt USB OPtical Mouse on usb-:00:1d.1-2/input0

usb 6-2: USB disconnect, device number n
usb 6-2: new low-speed USB device number n+1 using uhci_hcd
usb 6-2: New USB device found, id Vendor=093a, id Product=2510
usb 6-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, Serial Number=0
usb 6-2: Product: USB Optical Mouse
usb 6-2: Manufacturer: PixArt

(Some of the formatting may be a little off as I copied it by hand.)
Wherever there are  the item inside increments each time the block 
repeats.


Any ideas what I can do about it and why would it work perfectly in 
'live' mode but not after install?


TIA.

Re: pbs d'envoi de messages à la liste

[phil]

bon excusez pour la coupure des threads mais comme l'adresse 
lo...@gmail.com (1) ne marche que pour la réception des mails de la liste

je suis obligé de répondre hors threads avec une autre adresse...CAPITO ?

On 21/10/2013 20:03, Julien wrote:

Est-ce que le SMTP de SFR ne refuse pas tes mails puisqu'il ne sont pas
issu d'une adresse SFR ? Tu peux utiliser swaks pour tester l'envoie de
mail.
mon mutt utilise exim qui utilise tjrs smtp.sfr.fr:587 pour l'envoi 
(voir update-exim4.conf.conf ds mon 1er message).
J'envoie souvent des messages à partir d'adresses autres que sfr.fr : 
gmail.com par exemple grâce à l'option

send-hook . my_hdr From: Philippe bla...@gmail.com de mutt.
Et ça marche bien (sauf pour la liste debian-user-french) .


swaks --to debian-user-french@lists.debian.org --from lo...@gmail.com
--server smtp-auth.sfr.fr --quit-after RCPT

ça a l'air d'être ok :
phi@zandette $ swaks --to debian-user-french@lists.debian.org --from 
lo...@gmail.com (1) --server smtp.sfr.fr:587 --quit-after RCPT

=== Trying smtp.sfr.fr:587...
=== Connected to smtp.sfr.fr.
-  220 msfrf2221.sfr.fr ESMTP ABO **
 - EHLO zandette.homelinux.org
-  250-msfrf2221.sfr.fr
-  250-PIPELINING
-  250-SIZE 20971520
-  250-ETRN
-  250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
-  250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN
-  250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
-  250 8BITMIME
 - MAIL FROM:lo...@gmail.com (1)
-  250 2.1.0 Ok
 - RCPT TO:debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
-  250 2.1.5 Ok
 - QUIT
-  221 2.0.0 Bye
=== Connection closed with remote host.

(1) adresse modifiée pour ne pas spamer la vraie

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essai

[phil]

excusez pour le bruit. Je fais un essai d'envoi par evolution car par
mutt--exim mes mails n'arrivent plus à la liste...

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pbs d'envoi de messages à la liste

[phil]

Bonjour,

Je suis inscrit à la liste sous l'adresse, disons, lo...@gmail.com et
je reçois bien les mails de la liste.

j'emploie fetchmail--mutt--exim et ça marche bien sauf qd je pose une 
question
à debian-user-french@lists.debian.org auquel cas mes mails n'arrivent 
manifestement pas
à la liste puisque je ne les reçois pas (là j'envoie de thunderbird donc 
sans passer par exim je suppose).


Je ne sais pas d'où vient le pb : exim ou pb d'inscription à la liste 
sous lo...@gmail.com ou autre...


Merci à ceux qui ont déjà été confrontés à ce pb et qui pourraient
m'aider à le résoudre.

Ps: j'utilise exim4 sous wheezy et voilà mon 
/etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf


dc_eximconfig_configtype='smarthost'
dc_other_hostnames=''
dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1'
dc_readhost='homelinux.org'
dc_relay_domains=''
dc_minimaldns='false'
dc_relay_nets=''
dc_smarthost='smtp-auth.sfr.fr::587'
CFILEMODE='644'
dc_use_split_config='false'
dc_hide_mailname='true'
dc_mailname_in_oh='true'
dc_localdelivery='maildir_home'

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Problems with libsvn-java after applying latest Debian testing updates

[Phil Bell]

After applying the latest updates (it's probably been 2-3 weeks since I
last updated so there were about 300meg of updates), I had problems with
Eclipse that immediately indicated a problem with libsvn-java.  I am
certain that it was working properly prior to the updates (I was working on
some SVN-based projects immediately before updating.)  In short, Eclipse
can no longer seem to find the JavaHL shared library.  When I ran the SVN
tests recommended at
http://subclipse.tigris.org/wiki/JavaHL#head-404019ac0784cfe12ca6de2581b8a6ac98896bde,
all tests failed again indicating a problem finding the shared library.
However, it doesn't look like libsvn-java has been updated recently so I'm
not sure what the actual cause of the problem is.  Any suggestions on
things I should be looking at / capturing so that I might get a useful bug
report to the right maintainer(s)?  (any thoughts on who the right
maintainer(s) would be are also appreciated)

Thanks,
Phil

Re: man in the middle attack ?

[Phil Dobbin]

Dr Beco wrote:


 Today I registered a lot of students in the class, and 4 hours later I
 was in home and got a message one of them could not log in.
 
 So I tried and got this message:
 
 
 @@@
 @WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @
 @@@
 IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
 Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
 It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed.
 The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is
 66:09:66:e3:e1:54:dc:65:e4:a4:74:99:c4:df:3e:ff.
 Please contact your system administrator.
 Add correct host key in /home/beco/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this 
 message.
 Offending key in /home/beco/.ssh/known_hosts:1
 RSA host key for beco.poli.br has changed and you have requested
 strict checking.
 Host key verification failed.
 
 
 What should I do, or where should I look, to understand this problem?
 
 Can I log in with my account remotely to see the problem, or should I
 better log in locally?

As has been suggested, if you are not the system administrator of the
system, contact whoever is (it seems to that you are not).

It's usually that just that particular IP address for that machine on
the LAN has been used with a different key before but it could be
something malicious. Best to get hold of your admin ASAP.

I'd like to apologise for the abuse you have suffered at the hands of
certain members of this list. Uncalled for, rude  unhelpful.

Ubuntu is a very similar distro to Debian  you may find it worth your
while to unsubscribe here  subscribe to Ubuntu's list. They are much
more friendly, courteous  helpful.

Cheers,

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Re: Backup

[Phil Dobbin]

Gary Dale wrote:

 On 17/08/12 02:25 PM, Glenn English wrote:
 On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Camaleón wrote:

 On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 03:40:41 -0500, Emil Payne wrote:

 I have a 1 TB external USB drive with 362 GB used. I'd like to do a
 full
 backup to DVDs and then an incremental (or something) backup every
 month
 or two, also to DVDs or CDs. I'd like the backups to be compressed in
 order to save space (i.e. - the number of DVDs/CDs used).
 Optical media storage is a PITA for big amounts of data (it's very slow
 and hard to manage when you intend to do rewrite operations).
 I really hate to be the old fogey here, but if you've got the $$, tape
 sure does a good job. Use Amanda for both incrementals and fulls, and to
 reduce PITA, get cron to run them overnight. Or over the weekend, if you
 want to backup a lot of data, but infrequently.

 Optical disks and hard disks don't last. I have audio tapes from the
 1950s
 that are still good. Tape has its disadvantages, but longevity isn't one
 of them...

 For backup, though, I'd suggest springing a little more media and telling
 Amanda to write uncompressed tarballs -- for reliability and ease of
 recovery
 from a major disaster. You can recover from an Amanda backup tape with
 nothing
 more than plain old tar. A major PITA, but it's possible.
 
 While tape has uses, it's not all that reliable. Tape is subject to
 chemical deterioration, magnetic drop-outs, stretching, and a host of
 other problems. You won't notice the problems so much on audio tape with
 a lot of tape surface to hold the music (1/2 inch open reel audio tapes
 from the 1950s are more reliable than cassettes from the 1970s).
 However, on data tapes, the problems start showing up fairly quickly.
 
 It's main advantage over the years has been capacity. A automatic tape
 library can hold a lot of data over multiple tapes. However, tape
 changers are expensive, as are the media.
 
 You're correct about not compressing the data. Uncompressed tars are
 less prone to catastrophic failure from data dropouts. However, this is
 less of an issue with optical media. Still, I always do a cmp after
 backing up to optical media just to ensure the data actually copied
 correctly. If it didn't, I rsync and cmp again.

If you were to forgo tape as an option, I could recommend luckybackup
(it's in the current Squeeze repos).

I stumbled across it after I found when upgrading to Fedora 17,
mondoarchive no longer worked so that left me looking for something else
to use for local backups (I use rsync for remote ones) on Fedora.

It's basically a frontend for rsync that does incremental backups,
snapshots, etc  it really is more than adequate. I've checked the
restore function  that worked fine, so all in all it does the job that
I ask of it very well. YMMV.

Cheers,

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ma Debian va très mal !!!

[phil-deb1.merlin]

Bonjour,
Je suis en Sid AMD64 Linux 3.2.0.2.
Depuis une mise à jour des drivers non libre Ati, rien ne va plus, plus aucun 
serveur X ne fonctionne.
Après recherche je me suis aperçu que les nouveaux drivers Ati excluaient 
beaucoup de cartes graphiques dites anciennes(Merci AMD pour cette bonne 
initiative !!! c'est la dernière fois que j'achèterais des cartes de cette 
marque). Après m'être rendu compte du problème, je décide de migrer vers les 
pilotes libres et là je ne m'en sors plus.
Chaque fois je démarre avec GRUB en mode dépannage.

1er essai : je modifie le xorg.conf en supprimant le fichier et je lance startx 
rien ne se passe sauf un écran strié seul moyen pour arrêter l'ordinateur 
appuyer sur le bouton arrêt.
2ème essai : supprimer les drivers ati fglrx-driver relancer startx même 
punition.
3ème essai : du nouveau en mode dépannage, il y a lancement du serveur X ce qui 
est surprenant ce qui m'empêche d'analyser le problème en direct. Depuis je 
suis obliger de faire cette analyse avec un live CD.
En analysant dmesg j'ai remarqué une erreur:
r600_cp : Failed to load firmware radeon/RV620_pfp.bin
[drm:r600_startup] *ERROR* Failed to load fimware!
Voyant cela j'ai récupérer ce fichier dans firmware-linux-nonfree et l'est 
installé dans /lib/firmware/radeon/RV620_pfp.bin mais !!! toujours même message 
d'erreur je ne comprends pas.
Autre anomalie en regardant le fichier log Xorg.log il ne trouve aucun écran et 
le plus surprenant il ne semble faire aucun essai pour en chercher.
Pourriez vous m'aider ?
Le plus urgent que dois je modifier pour qu'en mode dépannage le serveur X ne 
soit pas lancer ?
Comment installer ce fameux firmware pour qu'il soit pris en compte ?
Question subsidiaire quel live-cd utilisez vous pour la maintenance ? 
Actuellement j'utilise une Kaella mais elle a un linux 2.6.19 qui ne permet pas 
un chroot des versions linux 3, par contre je sais passer en utilisateur root 
ubuntu et debian live je n'ai pas réussi a utiliser cet utilisateur.
Je joins à ce message 3 fichiers log : dmesg, messages,et Xorg.0.log
A l'avance merci pour votre aide.
Philippe MERLIN
P.S. Si le message est en Html je m'excuse mais si c'est le cas je n'y peux rien


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Re: ma Debian va très mal !!!

[phil-deb1.merlin]

 Message du 05/06/12 19:25
 De : Basile Starynkevitch 
 A : phil-deb1.merlin 

 Copie à : debian 
 Objet : Re: ma Debian va très mal !!!

 On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 06:02:29PM +0200, phil-deb1.merlin wrote:
  Bonjour,
  Je suis en Sid AMD64 Linux 3.2.0.2.
  Depuis une mise à jour des drivers non libre Ati, rien ne va plus, plus 
  aucun serveur X ne fonctionne.
  Après recherche je me suis aperçu que les nouveaux drivers Ati excluaient 
  beaucoup de cartes graphiques dites anciennes(Merci AMD pour cette bonne 
  initiative !!! c'est la dernière fois que j'achèterais des cartes de cette 
  marque). Après m'être rendu compte du problème, je décide de migrer vers 
  les pilotes libres et là je ne m'en sors plus.
  Chaque fois je démarre avec GRUB en mode dépannage.
 
 
 Le bogue est connu, et ne depend probablement pas de l'age de la carte 
 graphique.
 
 FGLRX 12.6 plante en 64 bits: 
 http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple?id=522
 
 cordialement
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oui mais il n’empêche la liste des changements extrait du bug 671320
Changes: 
fglrx-driver (1:12-6~beta-1) unstable; urgency=low
.
[ Patrick Matthäi ]
* New upstream beta release.
- Support for RadeonHD older than 5xxx are dropped!
Namely the following series have been removed:
- RadeonHD 2000
- RadeonHD 3000
- RadeonHD 4000
Merci
Philippe Merlin

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Re: Having great difficuty

[Phil Dobbin]

On 05/28/2012 12:14 PM, James Alan Brown wrote:


I wonder if you can help
I placed an order for Debian Linux at inuxcentral.com they took my
credit card details but they now say that there not going to ship the
order.
My order number is 05192012122325-0001
It was for Debian Linux 6.0.5 i386 8 dvd set software


I take it you mean linuxcentral.com?

They look to be a reputable seller. I personally can recommend 
http://www.linuxpusher.dk from Denmark. Excellent prices  prompt service.


Cheers,

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Re: how to practice.

[Phil Dobbin]

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On 18/05/12 13:18, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:

 Ok I have been working in IT network field since 7 years and just one and
 half year back i have started exploring Linux and I believe, someone said
 to me lately that if you start loving black and white terminal then you
 will never look back to Windows GUI. I literally can experience this thing
 at the stage I am standing with Linux. As I consider myself a newbie in
 Linux but according to my previous experience if i don’t practice I will
 forget things very easy (as there are tons of commands to remember which I
 will forget with less or 0 practice). so i am here to ask all the old Pros
 that how you guys manage to remember all the commands and practice all the
 previous work. Since after the deployment of some Linux services there is
 only the log which i have to see for further errors. So how it is possible
 to keep in my mind all the old stuff and along with that I can move forward
 with the new goals.


As people have pointed out, the command line is the way to go. It can be
intimidating (i.e.`rm` unless you apply safeguards, does *mean* `rm`
especially if you put a `-Rf` after it) but that's part of its beauty:
simplicity  absolute power when run as root (or sudo).

I use man pages a lot. I also use vim for everything. Reading man pages
with less can be a tedious affair so I put:

`manvim() { vim -c Man$1 -c 'silent! only';}` :

`export TERM=xterm-256-color`

in my ~/.bashrc

:

`source $VIMRUNTIME/ftplugin/man.vim`

in my ~/.vimrc  then calling the man page like so `$ manvim foo`

 they're much easier to read. For everything else, I have hard copies
of Unix and Linux System Administration Handbook by Evi Nemeth 
others  Classic Shell Scripting: Hidden Commands that Unlock the Power
of Unix by Arnold Robbins  Sed  Awk by Dale Dougherty. For
everything else, there's the internet.

As was pointed out by an earlier poster, just keep reading. I read
hundreds of pages of documentation a day on every different circumstance
I'm likely to encounter. That in itself is a full-time job :-).

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

[Phil Dobbin]

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On 13/05/12 12:31, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

 On Vi, 11 mai 12, 17:49:30, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
  on the strength of that message, Slavko, it gave me great
 pleasure to import  sign your key :-)
 
 Don't sign other keys unless you have met the owner in person.


If that was the strategy everybody adopted with PGP, there'd be very
few, if any, keys signed, ever.

Thanks for the advice but I think I'll pass.

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

[Phil Dobbin]

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On 13/05/12 15:05, Jon Dowland wrote:

 On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 03:02:02PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 If that was the strategy everybody adopted with PGP, there'd be
 very few, if any, keys signed, ever.
 
 This *is* the strategy that most people use for PGP.
 
 Thanks for the advice but I think I'll pass.
 
 You are entitled to maintain whatever local policy for signing you
 want: but, it weakens your position in a web of trust if your
 signatures are 'weaker' than other peoples. It means any trust path
 that flows through a signature of yours is suspect.
 
 GPG lets you choose a 'trust level' for keys. I'd suggest at least
 using a low-level value for keys you haven't validated.


In the case in question I used I will not answer  I don't know as
I do with virtually all the very few keys I sign via a mailing list.

As somebody else posted on this subject some time ago (maybe a week
ago; this thread has been limping on for a long time) it helps one
identify participants on the list whose views seem to lucid, practical
 knowledgeable. I've found it unfortunate that after returning to
this list after several years away, I've actually had to send several
poster's addresses to /dev/null because of their rudeness  downright
bad manners. So any tool to identify genuinely helpful Debian users
who use these lists in a responsible manner is most welcome.

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

[Phil Dobbin]

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On 11/05/12 07:45, Jon Dowland wrote:

 On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 05:32:25PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
 So, the OP signs his mail to a list. I would guess that no web of
 trust exists between him and 99.9% of the list members.
 
 What is the benefit of such a signature?
 
 I don't know Phil Dobbin, I haven't ever met him and I probably
 never will. Phil Dobbin exists to me only as a participant on this
 mailing list. He signs his mail. Over time, my mental model of Phil
 Dobbin will be composed entirely and exclusively based on his
 conduct on this mailing list. If I ever did meet him, I might be
 able to prove that the owner of key A093C263 is legally called Phil
 Dobbin in some juristiction or other.  What exactly have I gained?
 This knowledge means nothing to me. I know many people who are not
 called by their legal name anyway.  The fact that A093C263 calls
 himself Phil Dobbin is something I don't need to verify.
 
 In this particular case, the web of trust is not as relevant, since
 I don't need it to prove that one mail signed by A093C263 was
 written by the same person as another mail signed by A093C263.
 
 [ having said that, it would be nice if things like 
 http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/mk_path.cgi?FROM=06AATO=A093C263PATHS=trust+paths

 
worked. Phil, why not push your key and sigs to pgp.mit.edu? ]

Done.  the Dutch pgp authority now hold a copy also.

Now, can we all get back to work please? Four days is a long time to
discuss a subject that's been around to my knowledge for fifteen years :-)

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

[Phil Dobbin]

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On 11/05/12 16:48, Slavko wrote:

 Ahoj,
 
 Dňa Fri, 11 May 2012 16:26:30 +0100 Tony van der Hoff
 t...@vanderhoff.org napísal:
 
 On 11/05/12 13:23, Rob Owens wrote:
 Or you could manually download all the public keys that you're
 interested in.

 On this list, that equates to zero. Which is why all those who sign
 their messages are wasting their time on an ego-trip.

 
 I will paraphrase your words:
 
 Why you are wasting your time on an ego-trip to fill your name in sender
 header? On this list is this information not needed and by the email
 principle is its information value equal to zero and email address must be
 enough for this purpose.

 on the strength of that message, Slavko, it gave me great pleasure to
import  sign your key :-)

Cheers,

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Re: Debian Administrator's Handbook

[Phil Dobbin]

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On 10/05/12 14:21, Lars Noodén wrote:

 The Debian Administrator's Handbook is available for sale and download:
 
   http://debian-handbook.info/


Excellent. I've been looking forward to this for a long time. Off to
Lulu to get a dead tree... :-)

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

[Phil Dobbin]

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On 10/05/12 16:14, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

 So, this message was signed.
 
 Having recently installed enigmail, to see what all the fuss is about
 in the other thread. I find I'm at a loss to understand how to
 interpret this.
 -
 OpenPGP Security Info
 
 Unverified signature
 
 gpg command line and output:
 /usr/bin/gpg
 gpg: Signature made Thu 10 May 2012 15:27:47 BST using RSA key ID A093C263
 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
 -
 
 Am I expected to go to some keyserver to find the sender's public key?
 How, where, why?
 
 Maybe I've not set up Enigmail correctly?
 
 Alternatively, should I just ignore the signature, in which case why
 is the sender polluting the list with useless crap?

You have an option to import my key under your PGP menu should you wish
to do so . If you have installed Enigmail then go ahead  do it.

However, if you have no wish to use PGP  see it as polluting the list
with useless crap?, I suggest you uninstall Enigmail. Or you could
continue to be incensed over a dozen or so lines of PGP  keep Enigmail
for some other purpose.

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Re: gpg/pgp noise

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On 08/05/12 11:43, Indulekha wrote:


 I'm getting this with most gog/pgp-signed mails received from this
 list (using mutt):
 
 [-- PGP output follows (current time: Tue 08 May 2012 05:35:27 AM
 CDT) --] gpgkeys: key 7356B378DEA22DE9 not found on keyserver gpg:
 Signature made Tue 08 May 2012 02:04:44 AM CDT using RSA key ID
 DEA22DE9 gpg: requesting key DEA22DE9 from ldap server
 keyserver.pgp.com gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: Total
 number processed: 0 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not
 found [-- End of PGP output --]
 
 [-- The following data is signed --]
 
 PGP signature could NOT be verified. 
 ---
 
 My public key has been published, and I followed the exact
 procedure I used last time in muttrc to make this crap work. Am I
 powerless over other peoples' misconfigured gpg here, or does this
 indicate some error on my part? Anyone know a way to simply filter
 out all that annoying gpg/pgp noise? I don't actually care if it
 really works, just don't want to see the garbage huge blocks of
 text and error messages. Have read way to many howtos and am
 contemplating just filtering all gpg/pgp users. I don't want to,
 but neither do I want to spend hoours working to accomodate the
 people who insist on signing mail to a mailing list -- Thanks!


Increasing the pool of servers that gpg checks may alleviate your
problem but it's more than likely to be people haven't exported their key.

Mine has been exported. See how you view that one.

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Re: gpg/pgp noise

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On 08/05/12 12:11, Indulekha wrote:

 On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 11:53:23AM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 Increasing the pool of servers that gpg checks may alleviate your
 problem but it's more than likely to be people haven't exported their key.
 
 Mine has been exported. See how you view that one.
 
 Cheers,
 
 
 Thanks, Phil. After adding the keyserver Mika suggested, I no longer 
 see the error messages but do still have to see this messy block of text 
 at the end:

If you sign my key, you won't :-)

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Re: gpg/pgp noise

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On 08/05/12 12:26, Mika Suomalainen wrote:

 08.05.2012 14:15, Phil Dobbin kirjoitti:
 On 08/05/12 12:11, Indulekha wrote:
 
 On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 11:53:23AM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: 
 Increasing the pool of servers that gpg checks may alleviate
 your problem but it's more than likely to be people haven't
 exported their key.
 
 Mine has been exported. See how you view that one.
 
 Cheers,
 
 
 Thanks, Phil. After adding the keyserver Mika suggested, I no
 longer see the error messages but do still have to see this
 messy block of text at the end:
 
 If you sign my key, you won't :-)
 
 Cheers,
 
 Phil...

 Signing key doesn't remove signature blocks in the end of messages.

Sorry, my mistake. I was under the impression it did. I can always
follow the example you have in your key/signature to decrease the noise
ratio (after, of course, I've finished writing this particular email :-)

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Re: gpg/pgp noise

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On 08/05/12 12:29, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
 08.05.2012 14:20, Lisi kirjoitti:
 On Tuesday 08 May 2012 12:11:56 Indulekha wrote:
 On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 11:53:23AM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 Increasing the pool of servers that gpg checks may alleviate your
  problem but it's more than likely to be people haven't exported 
 their key.
 
 Mine has been exported. See how you view that one.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Thanks, Phil. After adding the keyserver Mika suggested, I
 no longer see the error messages but do still have to see
 this messy block of text
 
 at the end:
 
 But did you after Phil's?
 
 Lisi
 
 
 
 That signature block informs to be bad signature from Phil.
 
 Viestin sisennettyä osaa (vastausta) on luultavasti muokattu
 (In English: The indented part of message (reply) has been
 possibly changed)
 gpg -komento ja -tuloste:
 In English: gpg -command and -output:
 /usr/bin/gpg2 gpg: Signature made ti  8. toukokuuta 2012
 13.53.22 EEST using RSA
 key ID A093C263
 gpg: BAD signature from Phil Dobbin bukowskis...@gmail.com

That's because the email client didn't snip the quoted previous
message correctly therefore part of the original signature was still
included.

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