Re: Plonking

2005-06-11 Thread Phil Dyer
Hal Vaughan said:
 On Friday 10 June 2005 10:17 pm, Paul Johnson wrote:
 On Friday June 10 2005 8:08 am, Phil Dyer wrote:
  plonk!

 Oh, please.  Can we possibly get any more childish?  Please don't
 advertise your filters, it tends to cause headers to evolve.
 Even the emotionally disturbed junior high students I used to teach know that
 is about the same as jamming your fingers in your ears and singing loudly --
 and they know how childish that is, too.

oh, geez. lighten up guys. I'm on this list to see if I can help some
newbies  on some *debian* problems. After an OT for this long, I get my
dander up a little.

I apologize. and now back to our regularly scheduled off topic extravaganza.

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Re: KDE 3.4

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
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Piero Piutti said:
 deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./

There's a kde-3.4.1 there now too.

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Re: Dns resolving from linux pc in windows network

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
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debian said:
 We use windows 2003 servers and various linux application servers, DNS
 is on windows and we have a suffix say;  test.tralala
 
 So when i perform the command
 Host 192.168.0.10   i must get a reply that this host is
 pipo.test.tralala   (the FQDN).
 
 Is this possible to do ?  If this works, my reports will also be
 correct.

Sure, just create a reverse zone on the windows dns server.
Since this is a linux ml, I won't go into how to do it. :)

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Re: SPAM:Re: Dns resolving from linux pc in windows network

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
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debian said:
 Thnx for the reply.
 My windows has reverse zone.

Can you see the rev entry in windows dns for a specific box?
- From the windows box, can you nslookup the ipaddress with correct results?

 This is an error:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] sarg-2.0.5]# host 10.51.10.10
 Host 10.10.51.10.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] sarg-2.0.5]#

Is the debian box using the windows server to resolve?
Look at /etc/resolv.conf. it should have the windows NS in there... first.

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Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
I agree with that point exactly.

PS: 2 points for anybody that can figure out which point, or even which
poster I'm agreeing with.

(I really did try to stay out of this...)

phil

Mark said:
 Paul Johnson wrote:
 On Thursday June 9 2005 5:10 pm, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

I completely agree.  Whoever  (the attribution is not clear to me)
wrote that crap about top posters vs bottom posters is an arrogant
idiot.  Processing information in reverse order  is much more
efficient


 Do you drive in reverse on the freeway, too?  After all, doing it
 backwards is more efficient.
 
 Wait a minute, When you read a book. You start on page one and read
 right to the back of the book (Or bottom of the book) when you
 finish. Right?
 
 Same (should) go for emails, you start at the top with reading, and
 end up at the bottom where youre email answer begins.
 
 Is that not the best way of making it easier for other people to
 understand your email?
 
 Still, bottom posters may be fighting a lost battle. In all the
 companies i've worked for so far, there has not been a single
 company with a bottom post policy of any kind.
 
 These companies are usually the exchange server kind...
 
 Thanks,
 Mark
 
 p.s.
 Sorry Paul, for replying to you alone...



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Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
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plonk!

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Re: IP Address assigned by ISP, dns set as static?

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
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David Nicholls said:
 I've been having a few problems with dns lookups and have been given a
 new set up dns servers and not the same ones placed into resolv.conf by
 dhcp.
 
 Obviously if I make a change to resolv.conf, it will be soon-after be
 updated back to the original dns servers by dhcp. 

I do it by editing/creating /etc/dhclient-enter-hooks like so:

# redefine the function which changes resolv.conf to do nothing
make_resolv_conf() {
   return
}

The other way would be to edit /etc/dhclient.conf and tell it to prepend
to the list of dns servers

prepend domain-name-servers x.x.x.x;

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Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
John Hasler said:
 Marty writes:
 This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf
 file.
 
 toncho/~ 1 ls /etc/apt
 apt-file.conf  apt.conf.d  listchanges.conf  sources.list

[EMAIL PROTECTED] pad]$ ls /etc/apt
apt.conf.d  sources.list


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Re: Sudden constant spoofing of my address

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
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Roberto C. Sanchez said:
 Pretty much.  And since most now do S/MIME and PGP/MIME instead of the
 old ASCII inline, if they don't it shows up as some random attachment,
 instead of a bunch of crap at the top and bottom of a message.

The thing with PGP/MIME is that it eats mailing list footers a lot. I
notice it in t-bird and mutt. Not really a big deal, but annoying.

Personally, I like the bunch of crap at the top and bottom. :)

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Re: apt-get problems

2005-06-08 Thread Phil Dyer
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Jason G Skala said:
 I am running woody still and if I do any apt-get command from update to
 upgrade I get the following
 apt-get update gives
 apt-get update
 Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main Packages

Since sarge is now stable, I'm sure that's the problem.
Try s/stable/woody/g in your sources.list.

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Re: Confused-New Stable Sarge Dist-Upgrade

2005-06-07 Thread Phil Dyer
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Leonard Chatagnier said:
 tar: ./lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/modules.symbols: Cannot write: No space 
 left on device
 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors

 I chacked partition space with df and seem to have ample room as shown
 ChatagnierL-Home:~#  df
 Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
 /dev/hda2   14114049 18722  86% /

Your / partition is where /lib lives, and you've only got ~18MB. I'd say
your modules directory should take up more than that. 30MB+. Prolly not
enough space.

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Re: Only root access the internet

2005-06-03 Thread Phil Dyer
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xxx xxx said:
 Hi all,
 
 I'm trying for the last 6 months to connect to the Internet as an ordinary 
 user but only root can! I gave full permissions to pppd, all /etc/ppp files, 
 kppp, wvdial. I can connect but when I open Mozilla I can't connect 
 anywhere. Only root can! I tried to use pon with no result. I'm using Debain 
 Woody v3 r2 k2.4.18
 Any advice would be appreciated!

add your normal user to the group dip.

adduser user dip

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Re: Only root access the internet

2005-06-03 Thread Phil Dyer
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Phil Dyer said:
 xxx xxx said:
 Hi all,
 
 I'm trying for the last 6 months to connect to the Internet as an ordinary 
 user but only root can! I gave full permissions to pppd, all /etc/ppp 
 files, 
 kppp, wvdial. I can connect but when I open Mozilla I can't connect 
 anywhere. Only root can! I tried to use pon with no result. I'm using 
 Debain 
 Woody v3 r2 k2.4.18
 Any advice would be appreciated!
 
 add your normal user to the group dip.
 
 adduser user dip

Now that you've modified pppd permissions and files, I'd go ahead and
reinstall pppd as well to fix all the permissions.

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Re: root compromise on debian woody

2005-05-27 Thread Phil Dyer
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Joey Hess said:

 Well to choose one security hole at random out of dozens to hundreds
 that remain unfixed in woody's kernels, this one allows anyone to go from
 a normal user account to root:
 
 CAN-2005-1263 [Linux kernel ELF core dump privilege escalation]
 - kernel-source-2.6.11 2.6.11 2.6.11-4
 - kernel-source-2.6.8 2.6.8-16
 - kernel-source-2.4.27 2.4.27-10
 
I'm a little confused on this. First, I don't see that 2.6.x or 2.4.27
is available in woody - at least from the debian.org packages page for
woody.

Also, are we saying that the stable (woody) debian is full of security
holes? Aren't kernel 'sploits fixed in security updates. I may just not
be reading correctly.
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Re: OT Required Options?

2005-05-27 Thread Phil Dyer
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Martin Dickopp said:
 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Martin writes:
 Apparently, command line programs exist for Microsoft Windows which
 can only be run successfully if at least one command line option is
 provided to them.

 That's true of Unix and Linux as well.
 
 Can you cite a Unix or GNU/Linux command line program which has this
 property? I cannot think of even one, but maybe that's just my lack of
 imagination. :)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] scripts]# tar
tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options

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Re: Custom kernel building and mkinitrd

2005-05-25 Thread Phil Dyer
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Ibrahim Mubarak said:
 OK. So I went ahead and downloaded the latest kernel off of kernel.org,
 compiled it and installed it. Still mkinitrd doesn't output the image.
 So I tried to mkinitrd of the running kernel. Still nothing. I am
 guessing it is an initrd-tools bug. But not really sure.
 
 I tried the -k option to see if it does anything. And yes. The tmp
 directory gets filled. But I don't know what to do from there to start
 debugging.
 
 If you are not going to respond to this, can you at least tell me where
 I should go with this problem? Thanks.

I'm guessing that you do have initrd enabled in the kernel?

Block Devices - RAM Disk Support - Initial RAM disk (initrd)

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Re: html to pdf conversion

2005-05-23 Thread Phil Dyer
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Deboo ^ said:
 Is there a html to pdf converter utility/script or any such thing
 available for debian? I could not find using apt search.

you can use a combination of html2ps and ps2pdf. They are both available
as deb packages.


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Re: Network scan

2005-05-15 Thread Phil Dyer
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Alexandar Angelov said:
 Mark Roach wrote:

Do you know any command(script) to scan range from 192.168.35.1 to 
92.168.35.255 and return if port :80 , :21 and MAC Addr.



nmap

 MAC?

Sure. nmap will return the mac...if the scanned machine is on your subnet.

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Re: something unclear with sed for me

2005-05-11 Thread Phil Dyer
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Andras Lorincz wrote:
 I want to replaces all multiple spaces with one space. My first
 attempt was this:
 
 sed -e 's/\ */\ /g'
 
 This replaced all multiple spaces with one but as a side effect, sed
 inserted a space between all characters. 

You told sed replace 0 or more whitespace characters with 1 whitespace
character.

 
 sed -e 's/[\ ]\ */\ /g'
 
 and this works. The fact is that I don't understand why the first one
 doesn't work. Can someone explain me that?

This time you told sed  replace 1 or more whitespace characters with 1
whitespace character.


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Re: bash command substitution problem

2005-05-08 Thread Phil Dyer
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Pollywog said:
 I have a function defined in my .bashrc as:
 
 function lf { /bin/ls -l | grep ^- ; }
 
 It prints the files in the CWD without listing other directories.
 
 Suppose I want to 'chmod 600' all the files in the CWD without affecting 
 directories, I try this:
 
 chmod 600 `lf`
 
 but I get this error:
 chmod: invalid character `w' in mode string `-rw---'

yeah, the ls -l listing is getting you when you display.

try this one.

function lsf {
for i in *; do
if [ -f $i ]; then
echo $i
fi;
done;
}

lsf | xargs chmod 600


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logrotate

2005-05-08 Thread Phil Dyer
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Been getting these emails from cron lately... running sarge.

/etc/cron.daily/logrotate:
/tmp/logrotate.qRrfw3: line 4: kill: (880) - No such process
/tmp/logrotate.nnWbEs: line 4: kill: (880) - No such process

any clues?

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Re: Auto Disconnecting...

2005-05-06 Thread Phil Dyer
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Jerzy Wolowik said:
 telnet daemon:
 in.telnetd in /usr/sbin/  it's 0.17-18woody2 according to dpkg
 managed by inted and indirectly by tcpd daemon as stated in inetd.conf:
 
[snip...]

 Watch out! Please, think at first of all that obvious things newbies
 always forget or don't know at all! 
 

Without giving you an answer as to why telnet is diconnecting.. my first
response is turn off telnet. Forget that it exists. Throw it away. Use ssh2.

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Re: Auto disconnecting time

2005-05-06 Thread Phil Dyer
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Jerzy Wolowik said:
 Yeah,
 
 I've been doing so. But problem persists. 
 

OK, so if I've got this straight - you're having problems with not only
telnet disconnecting, but also ssh?

Do you have autolog installed? Anything in /var/log concerning the logout?

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Re: how to determine WAN IP address from behind a NAT router?

2005-05-05 Thread Phil Dyer
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A.Melon said:

 I searched for information on this and found only solutions by
 parsing the output of websites that display the HTTP REMOTE_ADDR.
 But I don't want to rely on an external website.
 
 I know there must be a way to do this because Gnutella-type
 programs (client) display my outside IP address.  How do they
 do it?

they rely on an external site. :)

1) use dyndns.org client on your linux box and then never have
   to worry what your ip is.

2) You could use www.whatismyip.com and grep and sed for the ip.
   I guess that site is pretty reliable..

not very elegant, but this should work.

wget www.whatismyip.com -o /dev/null  \
 grep 'displaycopy' index.html | \
 sed s/displaycopy('\([0-9]*\.[0-9]*\.[0-9]*\.[0-9]*\).*/\1/



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Re: sarge apt and init daemons

2005-05-04 Thread Phil Dyer
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Miquel van Smoorenburg said:
OK, although both solutions work, (I guess - I haven't tried the second
solution) it still seems kludgy to me. If I use the debian supplied tool
to remove a service from startup _totally_, and I use a debian supplied
tool to update the system, shouldn't the latter honor my current config?
 
 Nope. Because that is not how it works or has ever worked. Your
 expectation is skewed from reality (sorry).

Hate to keep beating this. But my response is:
Just because it's not how it's ever worked doesn't mean it's right. Can
you give me reasoning as to *why* it works like that? Any docs you can
point me to on this?

My expectation, I guess, comes from other systems, like redhat, that
won't turn on a service during an upgrade. Of course that was not
perfect either, as I don't think up2date would restart the services you
*were* running.

I don't think I should have to remeber to chmod this or fake out that. I
have no problems doing either, it just seems odd that the best system
update tool available can check to see if my conf files have been
modified and let me choose whether to overwrite, but it doesn't check to
see how I've configured services.
 
 It does.

It does... what? If it checked to see if I've turned off a service and
prompted me for action, then I don't think I would have started this
thread. :)
Again, I'd just like some reasoning on this.

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Re: sarge apt and init daemons

2005-05-04 Thread Phil Dyer
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John Hasler said:
 It won't restart the service if you have left at least one K link in place.
 Debian provides several tools for turning services on and off.  My favorite
 is sysvconfig (since I wrote it).
 

thanks, John. I'm checking out sysvconfig now.

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Re: sarge apt and init daemons

2005-05-02 Thread Phil Dyer
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Miquel van Smoorenburg said:

 If you want to keep updates from starting the daemon, just chmod 644 it.

That sounds reasonable...and simple. :) thanks.
 
 Reasonable, simple, and wrong :)
 
 As long as one start or stop link is still present, update-rc.d will
 not change the configuration. So just remove all start/stop links
 except in, say, runlevel 5 or so. Since the default runlevel is
 2, the service will not be started ever.
 

OK, although both solutions work, (I guess - I haven't tried the second
solution) it still seems kludgy to me. If I use the debian supplied tool
to remove a service from startup _totally_, and I use a debian supplied
tool to update the system, shouldn't the latter honor my current config?
I don't think I should have to remeber to chmod this or fake out that. I
have no problems doing either, it just seems odd that the best system
update tool available can check to see if my conf files have been
modified and let me choose whether to overwrite, but it doesn't check to
see how I've configured services.

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Re: Potential Virus or System Message?

2005-05-01 Thread Phil Dyer
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s. keeling wrote:
 Incoming from Faithful John:
 
I got this weird message, when I left my email through Telnet/Pine
running when I left my house.

 
 I'd say someone got in, and they got in far enough to shutdown the
 machine, which generally means root.  Time to reinstall.  Next time,
 go through the ps fax list, and anything that shouldn't be running,
 disable it.

Uh, I'd say he had a telnet session opened to a remote host, and that
remote host shutdown. Doesn't have anything to do with his box.

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Re: Potential Virus or System Message?

2005-05-01 Thread Phil Dyer
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Faithful John said:
 So this gives me a second question.   I'm pretty sure that I disabled
 the remote access ability stuff (though I'm not 100% on that at this
 moment).   Is there a chance someone could still get into my system in
 any way and do anything? (e.g.if firewalls disabled)   My impression
 was that linux was immune to viruses and resistance to personal
 attacks since you needed a root password to do any sort of real
 changes.

more complicated than they need root to get me. escalation of
privileges, where a user gets onto your box via some sort of non-root
user thru apache, ssh or whatever and then gains root via some local
program that is vulnerable.

You should run a portscan on yourself with nmap or similar. If you don't
have access to another box, you can go to somewhere like dshield.org and
run a portscan. Always good to do when setting up a new box. good
learning when you get to say what in the heck is that port open for?


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unable to start X after upgrade to potato

2000-06-06 Thread Phil Dyer
Peter Mickle wrote:
 
 I have recently upgraded to potato, and after doing so, I can no
 longer open an X session, either from xdm or from startx. The version
 is 3.3.6-6.
 
 At boot time, the last two lines of the messages generated
 by the boot process are:
 
 Checking for valid XFree86 Server configuration...unable to check
 Not starting X display manager
 
 If I try to start with startx, I get the following message:
 
 XSession: unable to start X sessions: no /path/.xsession found, no
 window managers, and no terminal emulators found.
 
 I have rerun xf86config. I have looked over all the related problems
 which have shown up on this list over the last week or so, and none of
 the fixes to other problems work for me.
 
 I'm lost or stuck, and I need X for my work, so any help will be
 appreciated. Thanks,
 
 Peter
 
 Peter Mickle
 

Peter,
I bet you are running kdm, right? Some changes were made to Xfree 3.3.6,
including the removal of parse-xf86config.

 /etc/rc.d/kdm calls parse-xf86config, but since it no longer exists, the
script exits with the error, Can't check config or whatever. I just
removed the offending line from the kdm script. Works for me.

As far as the startx problem, potato has changed how it handles window
mangers, look at update-alternatives to register your window manager. That
_may_ be your problem. You did do a dist-upgrade, right?

dyer



Re: Woody: missing parse-xf86config? /etc/init.d.xdm wants it!

2000-03-29 Thread Phil Dyer

Brian Boonstra wrote:

 Hi

 Something blew away a program called parse-xf86config this
weekend.
 I suspect it was when I did my apt-get upgrade.  This is a problem because
 /etc/init.d/xdm won't run properly without it.

 Any clues as to how I can get it back?



 - Brian

Yeah, I noticed that too. It seems that parse-xf86config has been removed
from
xserver-common (and removed altogether). My kdm init script was complaining.
I just
changed the kde.config(?) file to not check for or parse an XF86Config file.
Probably
not the best solution, but it works. Maybe Brandon will respond and tell us
what the
future is for this.

dyer


Re: help with linux

2000-01-05 Thread Phil Dyer
jd wrote:

  hello im hoping you can help me im trying to down load linux and i
 dont no where to start i know you probly have better things to do than
 to help linux dummies but if you can give me any help i would be
 thankfull   james ward  email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I think  the easiest way to get going is to buy a cd.  Look on
www.debian.org for cd distributers. They only cost a few bucks.  Long
downloads over slow lines can be a nightmare. Also look around debian's
site... lots of good documentation, links, etc.

hth
dyer



Re: Getting mail and browsing the web

1999-08-22 Thread Phil Dyer
Walter Logeman wrote:
 
 
 Web
 I have Lynx running but hitting the red urls does not work unless
 the file is local.
 
 Is it just a matter of configuring a file somewhere?
 
 Walter
 
 
Walter,
It sounds like you don't have dns servers set up. Find out
your ISP's DNS servers address(es). As root, edit
/etc/resolv.conf
The format follows:

nameserver 127.0.0.1   # This identifies your
machine locally.
nameserver 198.xxx.xxx.xxx # This is your ISP's DNS
server ip address
nameserver 198.xxx.xxx.xxx # ISP's backup DNS server.

Now as others have sugested, use ping and see if you can
ping by name like this:
ping www.debian.org

see if you get a reply.

HTH
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Re: GNOME packages for slink

1999-08-21 Thread Phil Dyer
Marcin Owsiany wrote:

 Hi,
 Does anybody remember the URL to those unofficial GNOME packages for slink?
 they were released some two months ago, i believe...

 Marcin

http://www.debian.org/~jim/debian-gtk-gnome/gnome-stage-slink/

or if you're using apt:

deb http://www.debian.org/~jim/debian-gtk-gnome/gnome-stage-slink slink main

HTH

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Re: Initial thoughts about Debian 2.1 (and I need some help!)

1999-08-01 Thread Phil Dyer
Salman Ahmed wrote:



 (5) Initially, I tried to get the .debs for XFree86-3.3.3.1-2 from the
 following site : ftp.netgod.net. Upon instructions from another Debian
 user, who has been kind enough to offer email support during my
 installation nightmare (Hi Kris!),
 I added the following line to the end of /etc/apt/sources.list :

 deb http://ftp.netgod.net/debian x/

I think the correct line for the slink debs is:
deb http://www.netgod.net x/
or
deb ftp://ftp.netgod.net x/
(notice no '/debian')^

HTH

dyer


Re: Corel Wordperfect nightmare

1999-07-31 Thread Phil Dyer
Paul wrote:


 First I was told that I didn`t have  libm.so.5 so the graphical
 Installer wouldn`t work, then a load of error messages saying wp.No
 such file or directory Finally it askes me for an installation
 directory so I type in /usr or
 /home and it says invalid directory and quits.


 I assume that the first message means I have to install libc5? Will this
 bugger up anything else?

Yes, you need libc5.  You can get it from the oldlibs/ directory.  It won't 
bugger
ya' up. you may
as well get xpm4.7 while you're there.  Start from there and see if that takes 
care
of the rest of the
problems.





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Re: No KDE/GNOME for stable?

1999-07-25 Thread Phil Dyer
Carl Fink wrote:

 Is there a way to try KDE/GNOME on stable that I'm missing?  I did
 some fairly extensive searches via www.debian.org's package search
 engine.  I should specify that I want a reasonably new release of
 either, not the alpha GNOME in stable.


Doing a search on the archives of:
KDE; slink
yielded me this for my first result. ;-)

--snip--
add one of these lines to /etc/apt/sources.list
  deb http://snowcrash.tdyc.com potato kde contrib rkrusty
if you're running unstable or
  deb http://snowcrash.tdyc.com slink kde contrib rkrusty
if you're running stable (Debian 2.1)
--snip--

I'm running KDE 1.1.1 on slink and loving it!

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Re: hamm dist sites

1999-06-23 Thread Phil Dyer
Robert Rati wrote:

 Are there any ftp sites with the hamm dist still on them?  All ther ones
 I've found only have slink and potato.  Thanks.

 Rob



http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/
ftp://debian.midco.net/debian-archive/dists/
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wmaker-gnome crashes with netscape mail

1999-06-08 Thread Phil Dyer
Can anybody else confirm?

WindowMaker .53 will crash if you have the messenger window open (not
minimized) in Netscape 4.6 and get a new email

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Re: HELP please !

1999-05-25 Thread Phil Dyer
Wolfgang Fink wrote:

 Hi everybody,

 so please, can anybody help me to unsubscribe from this
 mailing-list ?
 I have tryed almost everything with my Netscape 4.5 -
 Browser und Mailtool.

 Thanks a lot,

 Wolfgang

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Re: configuring modem, installing netscape communicator

1999-02-21 Thread Phil Dyer
Daniel Kahraman wrote:

 Hello All:

 How do I install my modem? I think it is already installed. So the
 question becomes how do I set up the dial-up configuration (manually)
 for my local ISP?

 Dan

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run pppconfig. ( I assume you are using at least hamm...) This will walk you 
thru a
ppp setup.  You need to know what device your modem is attached to, in Windows 
com1
is ttyS0, com2 ttyS1, ...

Then you can run pon and poff to connect/disconnect.
HTH
dyer


Re: magic cookie error

1999-02-20 Thread Phil Dyer
Pollywog wrote:

 I am getting this MAGIC COOKIE error when I try to run some X stuff as root.
 Is there something I can add to my profile in order to avoid it?

 Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server
 Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
 ktail: cannot connect to X server :0.0

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Re: libsvga

1998-11-22 Thread Phil Dyer
On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 12:01:06AM -0500, Phil Dyer wrote:
 Hi all,
 Trying to upgrade to svgalibg1.0.3 or dummy but dpkg won't let me
 replace the current svgalib.  Just trying to install gs, ghostview.
How
 do I get around this?
 thanks,
 dyer

more info needed - what's the error message and how are you trying to
upgrade?

Adrian

Adrian,
Thanks for the reply.  I got it now.  I got apt-get working correctly
and it washed all
my worries away.  ;-)
dyer




libsvga

1998-11-18 Thread Phil Dyer
Hi all,
Trying to upgrade to svgalibg1.0.3 or dummy but dpkg won't let me
replace the current svgalib.  Just trying to install gs, ghostview.  How
do I get around this?
thanks,
dyer


RE: chatscript permissions (fixed)

1998-09-05 Thread Phil Dyer
 Since I upgraded to hamm, only root is allowed to run pon.
 /var/log/ppp.log reports that my user logon does'nt have permission to

 open /etc/chatscripts/provider.  --open /etc/chatscripts/provider
failed
 :access denied.  All users have read perm.  What file is holding it
back?

The users must also have execute permission on /etc/chatscript.  This a
known bug in the ppp package.
--
That's it, just had to give execute to /etc/chatscripts.  Thanks.

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chatscript permissions

1998-09-04 Thread Phil Dyer
Since I upgraded to hamm,  only root is allowed to run pon.
/var/log/ppp.log reports that my user logon does'nt have permission to
open /etc/chatscripts/provider.
--open /etc/chatscripts/provider failed  :access denied.
All users have read perm.  What file is holding it back?
thanx,

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hamm and login question

1998-07-01 Thread Phil Dyer
Just upgraded to hamm, and now when I login I get:Unknown item
'ISSUE_FILE_ENAB'this comes after login prompt and before passwd prompt.
/etc/login.defs is set to
ISSUE_FILE_ENAB no

What's the deeeal with that?
thanks,

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hamm upgrade/c++ libraries

1998-06-29 Thread Phil Dyer
I upgraded to hamm yesterday and have run into a problem.
I used autoup.sh with an ftp connection to get the required packages.
Now I cannot compile c++ code, as it cannot find the libs. (iostream.h,
fstream.h, string, list, etc).

Doing a locate says they are nowhere on the system.  Is there a package
that I missed?
I'm using kernel 2.0.33.

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default color depth

1998-03-21 Thread Phil Dyer
How do I append XF86Config to get a startx default of 16? I know it's
gotta be in the display section, but where and how?
thanks,

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Re: printcap for bjc4000

1998-03-18 Thread Phil Dyer
Bob Nielsen wrote:

 Check the filter.  Since magicfilter doesn't support the bjc600, I had to
 choose another printer and then edit the sDEVICE= line(s) in the filter
 to specify the bjc600 gs driver.  It works fine for my MPC2500, which
 prints like a bjc4000.

 Bob

Got it.I ran magicfilterconfig and chose the bj200. Then edited as you said,
everything is hunky-dory now.
thanks all,
Phil Dyer



 On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, dyer wrote:

 
 
  Rich Sahlender wrote:
 
Could someone tell me how to setup my printcap for a bjc4000 printer.
I'm a newbie, so please be gentle. I need to be able to print
ghostscript files.
  
   I use a bjc600 as follows:
  
   In /etc/printcap :
  
   lp:\
   :lp=/dev/lp1:\
   :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp1:\
   :if=/etc/filter.bjc600:\
   :af=/var/log/lp-acct:\
   :lf=/var/log/lp-errs:\
   :mx#0:\
   :sh:
  
   And in /etc/filter.bjc600 :
  
   #!/bin/sh
   /usr/bin/gs -q \
   -sDEVICE=bjc600 \
   -r360x360 \
   -sPAPERSIZE=letter \
   -dNOPAUSE \
   -dSAFER \
   -sOutputFile=- -
  
   I suspect this should also work for a 4000, assuming it's a /dev/lp1...
  
   Regards,
   Rich
  
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  work, (doesn't it always?) but I'm still getting garbage while printing gs.
  ASCII works, and even the top of the .ps file prints some legible chars.
  %!PS - Adobe-2.0
  %%Creator: blah, blah
  %%Title: ..blah
  and a few more lines
then,
  %%BeginProcSet: tex.pro
  then a bunch of garbage.
 
  Anybody got some insight?
  thanks,
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