Re: Screen size trouble with Xorg
On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 08:03 -0500, Mike Bailey wrote: If I send an ctrl+alt+f2 to switch to tty2, I am able to use the entirety of the monitor, which tells me that this is an issue somewhere in X. Is it a multisync monitor? You perhaps need to configure the monitor's settings on the monitor. When using the GUI the frequencies of my monitor are 81.9KHz/89.9Hz, if I switch to tty2 the frequencies are 48.3KHz/59.9Hz on an Arch Linux install using the radeon driver. My multisync monitor remembers different settings for different frequencies. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402926527.8460.103.camel@archlinux
Re: Re: Screen size trouble with Xorg
On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 09:23 -0500, Mike Bailey wrote: Is it a multisync monitor? You perhaps need to configure the monitor's settings on the monitor. When using the GUI the frequencies of my monitor are 81.9KHz/89.9Hz, if I switch to tty2 the frequencies are 48.3KHz/59.9Hz on an Arch Linux install using the radeon driver. My multisync monitor remembers different settings for different frequencies. I am not sure how to tell if I have a multisync monitor. My monitor's menu does not offer a way to adjust the size of the screen area. I can tell you that in X, I am seeing a frequency of 67.5khz / 60hz np, and on tty2 I see the same frequency. Pressing the auto button results in a popup on the monitor that says Auto adjustment: Not available. I now searched the web and noticed that it isn't a CRT monitor. It's a LED monitor, so my assumption is wrong. Reflecting on the post, I guess HDMI already was a hint. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402930221.8460.108.camel@archlinux
Re: systemd (was ... Re: Article on swift, responsive computers)
On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 19:57 +0100, Brian wrote: From the man himself: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/198927.html Please don't post links to the troll and Linux enemy Lennart Poettering. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402946756.13623.5.camel@archlinux
Re: systemd (was ... Re: Article on swift, responsive computers)
On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 19:57 +0100, Brian wrote: From the man himself: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/198927.html Please don't post links to the troll and Linux enemy Lennart Poettering. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402947063.13623.6.camel@archlinux
Re: boot order
On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 01:46 -0400, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote:
echo ${SHUTDOWNBODY} | mail -s ${SHUTDOWNSUBJECT} ${EMAIL}
sleep 4
RETVAL=$?
i can't comment on the rest of the script, but you probably want
RETVAL to be the exit status of the pipeline that sends the mail.
making RETVAL the exit status of 'sleep 4' looks wrong to me.
Compliment for the heads up :).
Indeed, it's unlikely that somebody wants to know the exit status of a
sleep command and also unlikely that a sleep command will exit with
another status than 0.
I could imagine that there is a problem. While processing mail -s there
might be a delay, but the script perhaps continues, so the OP perhaps
got the exit status of echo, since mail -s didn't finish. Maybe a is
what this problem could solve. I experienced issues where I wanted to
run a command and wait until the command finished before I run the next
command, without the need to get the exit status, but or a PS aux
loop doesn't work always.
It e.g. often fails here:
$ cat /usr/local/bin/evowrap
#!/bin/sh
case $1 in
JWM) evoterm --force-shutdown
while ps aux | grep evowrap --force-shutdown | grep -v grep ; do sleep
1 ; done
while ps aux | grep evoterm --force-shutdown | grep -v grep ; do sleep
1 ; done
evolution
exit;;
esac
echo Launch: evolution $@
printf Cancel? [c]
read pushed_key
case $pushed_key in c) exit;; esac
evolution $@
echo
printf Push enter to close terminal emulation?
read pushed_key
exit
$ cat /usr/local/bin/evoterm
#!/bin/sh
roxterm --maximize -T evolution $* -e evowrap $*
exit
But always works here:
]$ cat /usr/local/sbin/alice
#!/bin/bash
[snip]
case $1 in
[snip]
--off)echo ; poff -a ; ip link set enp3s0 down ; echo -n Progress:
while pidof pppd /dev/null ; do echo -n . ; sleep 3 ; done ;
echo ; modprobe -vr pppoe ; echo ; exit ;;
[snip]
Regards,
Ralf
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Re: boot order
On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 09:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 01:46 -0400, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote:
echo ${SHUTDOWNBODY} | mail -s ${SHUTDOWNSUBJECT} ${EMAIL}
sleep 4
RETVAL=$?
i can't comment on the rest of the script, but you probably want
RETVAL to be the exit status of the pipeline that sends the mail.
making RETVAL the exit status of 'sleep 4' looks wrong to me.
Compliment for the heads up :).
Indeed, it's unlikely that somebody wants to know the exit status of a
sleep command and also unlikely that a sleep command will exit with
another status than 0.
I could imagine that there is a problem. While processing mail -s there
might be a delay, but the script perhaps continues, so the OP perhaps
got the exit status of echo, since mail -s didn't finish. Maybe a is
assumed the OP doesn't add the sleep command ;)
what this problem could solve.
IOW
echo ${SHUTDOWNBODY} | mail -s ${SHUTDOWNSUBJECT} ${EMAIL} RETVAL=$?
it at least seems to work here:
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat .msmtp.mail/fraud.mail | msmtp -a default
ralf.mard...@rocketmial.com echo $?
0
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$
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Re: boot order
On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 09:34 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 09:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 01:46 -0400, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote:
echo ${SHUTDOWNBODY} | mail -s ${SHUTDOWNSUBJECT} ${EMAIL}
sleep 4
RETVAL=$?
i can't comment on the rest of the script, but you probably want
RETVAL to be the exit status of the pipeline that sends the mail.
making RETVAL the exit status of 'sleep 4' looks wrong to me.
Compliment for the heads up :).
Indeed, it's unlikely that somebody wants to know the exit status of a
sleep command and also unlikely that a sleep command will exit with
another status than 0.
I could imagine that there is a problem. While processing mail -s there
might be a delay, but the script perhaps continues, so the OP perhaps
got the exit status of echo, since mail -s didn't finish. Maybe a is
assumed the OP doesn't add the sleep command ;)
what this problem could solve.
IOW
echo ${SHUTDOWNBODY} | mail -s ${SHUTDOWNSUBJECT} ${EMAIL} RETVAL=$?
it at least seems to work here:
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat .msmtp.mail/fraud.mail | msmtp -a default
ralf.mard...@rocketmial.com echo $?
0
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$
Resp. here:
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat .msmtp.mail/fraud.mail | msmtp -a default
ralf.mard...@rocketmial.com RETVAL=$?; echo $RETVAL
0
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$
OTOH I don't know for what command the exit status is, but the it at
least was displayed, after everything finished.
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Re: boot order
My apologize for the PPS, but without the it also seems to work: [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat .msmtp.mail/fraud.mail | msmtp -a default ralf.mard...@rocketmial.com; RETVAL=$?; echo $RETVAL 0 The 0 is displayed with delay, IOW RETVAL=$?; echo $RETVAL has to wait until the sending of the mail finished. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402818482.3692.64.camel@archlinux
Re: boot order
My mega-apologize for the PPPS :S [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ RETVAL=foo_bar [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat .msmtp.mail/fraud.mail | msmtp -a default ralf.mard...@rocketmial.com; RETVAL=$?; echo $RETVAL 0 [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ RETVAL=foo_bar [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat .msmtp.mail/fraud.mail | msmtp -a ERROR ralf.mard...@rocketmial.com; RETVAL=$?; echo $RETVAL msmtp: account ERROR not found in /home/rocketmouse/.msmtprc 78 [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ *being quiet now* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402818991.3692.66.camel@archlinux
Re: boot order
On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 09:56 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: My mega-apologize for the PPPS :S [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ RETVAL=foo_bar [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat .msmtp.mail/fraud.mail | msmtp -a default ralf.mard...@rocketmial.com; RETVAL=$?; echo $RETVAL 0 [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ RETVAL=foo_bar [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat .msmtp.mail/fraud.mail | msmtp -a ERROR ralf.mard...@rocketmial.com; RETVAL=$?; echo $RETVAL msmtp: account ERROR not found in /home/rocketmouse/.msmtprc 78 [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ *being quiet now* Pardon, there was a typo, the ; vs the : [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ RETVAL=foo_bar [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat .msmtp.mail/fraud.mail | msmtp -a ERROR ralf.mard...@rocketmial.com RETVAL=$?; echo $RETVAL msmtp: account ERROR not found in /home/rocketmouse/.msmtprc foo_bar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402819523.3692.68.camel@archlinux
Re: Off-topic: boot order
On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 11:05 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Anyone who sends unfiltered content from the Internet over any amateur radio mode is asking for trouble. Keep in mind, that at least in Germany, you need a license to do amateur radio, it's not citizens' band, at least not in Germany. Internet forums are comparable to citizens' band and not to amateur radio. The OP's Internet address name is idiotic, but it shouldn't be a reason to make mountains out of molehills. Sometimes it sounds like querulous paranoia to me, when people start kill-filing people for ever single oddity and sending a notification to the mailing list. I guess the common sense dictates that we shouldn't use the CoC to justify querulous paranoia. _Please folks_, simply kill-file addresses without sending a notification to the mailing list and read the current CoC, it changed in April of this year. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402847809.8460.13.camel@archlinux
Re: Off-topic: boot order
On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 11:50 -0400, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: i had hoped that this bikeshedding BS over OP's domain name would blow over after ralf wisely reminded us to assume good faith. alas... On Sun, 15 Jun 2014, Curt wrote: On 2014-06-15, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: However an English to German dictionary mentions, that the OP's address https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ Code of conduct ... Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via * packet radio, where swearing is illegal. but the OP hasn't *used* foul language. at all. they haven't written, for example, hey guys, i'm fucking around with an init script here and need some help. even if someone *had* used the term (and the OP has *not*), i would be rolling my eyes at anyone who felt the need to comment publicly on whether such language was suitable. surely such a boy-scout/young-pioneer leader would just suffer in silence if a technician had said something similar while working on their car at an automobile repair facility. seriously, fucking around is synonymous with playing around. playing around is not offensive. furthermore, in response to several petty, unsolicited comments regarding their domain name, the OP has shown great restraint and moderation, imo. such personal critiques, if they belong anywhere at all, belong off-list. airing them publicly doesn't make them less petty. and, even if you disagree with me about that last point, for whatever virtuous reason: please, take a step back and get a sense of proportion. it's not like the name in question is bigblackcocks.org, or something. ;) +1 +1 +1 +1 ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402848105.8460.15.camel@archlinux
Re: Off-topic: boot order
On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 17:03 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2014 16:50:01 david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: i had hoped that this bikeshedding BS over OP's domain name would blow over after ralf wisely reminded us to assume good faith. There is no sensible way that his reply to Brian can be taken as meaning good faith. This list, besides being international, has no upper or lower age limit. His attitude, in whatever language or culture, was inappropriate. It's inappropriate and against the CoC, if you don't assume a good faith and it's at least an indication of querulous paranoia that you all the times find fault with somebody and let it know the list and that you need to feed trolls. I guess you remember that somebody insulted me to be a Jew. It's idiotic to send a response to such a mail, but you couldn't resist. It's idiotic that we have each week a discussion about top-posting, fools-language etc.. Inform people off-list and don't hijack threads. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402848720.8460.21.camel@archlinux
Re: Off-topic: boot order
On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 18:29 +0200, B wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 18:12:00 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: It's idiotic to send a response to such a mail, but you couldn't resist. It's idiotic that we have each week a discussion about top-posting, I wouldn't be that sure about top-posting: even when a thread is correctly answered (useless text eliminated) and becomes very long, top-posting is ze best 'cos you don't have to scroll down to find the last answer. It may sound silly, but when you receive hundreds of mails from mailing-lists a day, the time saving difference's huge. I tend to answer somebody and as a PS I give the hint that using HTML, top-posting etc. is not good, or I reply off-list and sometimes I simply don't care. There's no need to discuss it. On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 16:28 +, Curt wrote: On 2014-06-15, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: such a mail, but you couldn't resist. It's idiotic that we have each week a discussion about top-posting, fools-language etc.. Inform people off-list and don't hijack threads. You do seem to be the one the most ardent in fucking this fly in the ass. ^^^ oops ;) No, you're mistaken, but indeed I tend to feed trolls like Lisi, OTOH, she kill-filed me, so I can't feed her. Yes, I contribute to such discussions, but IMO there is the need to clarify some things. I don't start those discussions, IMO this is an important note. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402850552.8460.37.camel@archlinux
Re: Article on swift, responsive computers
On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 14:58 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/201406/201406.htm At the moment we IMO should stay away from Razor-Qt for daily usage, but it can't harm to install it and to monitor it's progress. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razor-qt IMO much of the evil we Linux KISS principle nerds experience is related to the GTK/GNOME policy. I didn't read your block completely, but I will do ASAP. I guess I'll disagree with lots of your opinions, but I have to pass a compliment to you. You started to explain how to use the freedom of Linux userspace. Having a choice is hard for newbies. Your block might be not perfect, but since you're a pioneer of explaining this thingy, I have to give you a high five. :) Go on and expect some harsh critic from me ;). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402860138.8460.59.camel@archlinux
Re: Article on swift, responsive computers
On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 21:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2014-06-15 at 14:58 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/201406/201406.htm At the moment we IMO should stay away from Razor-Qt for daily usage, but it can't harm to install it and to monitor it's progress. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razor-qt IMO much of the evil we Linux KISS principle nerds experience is related to the GTK/GNOME policy. I didn't read your block completely, but I will do ASAP. I guess I'll disagree with lots of your opinions, but I have to pass a compliment to you. You started to explain how to use the freedom of Linux userspace. Having a choice is hard for newbies. Your block might be not perfect, but since you're a pioneer of explaining this thingy, I have to give you a high five. :) Go on and expect some harsh critic from me ;). Regards, Ralf The only time I use Thunderbird is for troubleshooting diagnostics. - from Steve's blog Don't use Thunderbird/Icedove for troubleshooting. When I experienced issues with Evolution for e.g. sending emails, I replaced Evolution's internal thingy with msmtp. Any other sendmail thingy would be as good too. Linux GUI MUA's usually provide their own email editors, but some, at least Evolution, allows you to use any other editor (as mentioned before, you also can chose any sendmail software). So if you like some GUI MUA, take a look, likely you can replace elements that might cause issues, so you unlikely need Thunderbird/Icedove for troubleshooting. I don't know if the CoC allows to discuss such off-topics at d-community-offtopic, but let's try to do it there. Currently the list isn't closed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402860854.8460.68.camel@archlinux
Off-topic: boot order
On Sat, 2014-06-14 at 23:20 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2014 22:11:05 Pol Hallen wrote: domain (mine) of email (mine) is not your problem and if you don't like it's not my problem ;-) No, but if all of us decide not to like it, and kill-file you as I am now doing, it might become your problem if you wanted help. Lisi tends to write off-topic mails to Debian user instead to write off-list, especially if she let us know, that she again kill-filed somebody. I guess it would cause Lisi less work, if she would block all mails and to add exceptions for addresses that she wants to receive. However an English to German dictionary mentions, that the OP's address is vulgarly for get up to nonsense and similar, the Urban dictionary mentions this too and mentions the meaning of open sexually, so it seems not really to offend the Debian Code of Conduct, Version 1.0 ratified on April 28th, 2014. It likely depends to the kind of the colorful language. Since the vocabulary used for the OP's address is less vulgarly, less obscenely than lyrics of common English radio and TV songs in the daytime, I guess we should Assume good faith and keep in mind that many of our Contributors are not native English speakers or may have different cultural backgrounds. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402803899.3692.40.camel@archlinux
Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)
On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 13:22 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 11 iun 14, 01:32:37, B wrote: From what you report, Ralf, the kinda site attack they suffered should never happen, or at least should have been circumvented very fast (IF there is somebody strong enough to handle that). That's a pity for such a good idea but I don't think the omen's good; we'll see (or not…) Well, they're Pro Audio developers not Pro Admins :p I heard that one of those Linux audio coders was responsible for the software of a famous, if not the most famous international mail-order company. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402624024.6619.3.camel@archlinux
Re: hardware errors
On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 21:01 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: [...] Yep. Halfway through the third pass; no errors yet. I'm not holding my breath. Any ideas on where to read up on those error messages, to figure out what they actually mean? Richard Don't know about other people, but when the memory subsystem starts giving me grief, I generally vacuum around the motherboard and other internal stuff, re-seat the cable connectors, and pop the memory and I/O boards out, clean the contacts, and re-seat them, too. I tend to use compressed air instead of vacuum, but the effect is the same ;). Unmounting and remounting is a good advice, cleaning usually isn't needed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402492271.11529.36.camel@archlinux
Re: Debian memtest package faulty? (was ... Re: hardware errors)
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 21:06 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: So you are saying the Debian and Ubuntu versions are buggy? Which live media version works for you? Have you filed a bug? Does the memtest86+ package work from the grub menu, for you? I can't say if it would work from the GRUB menu now, but it didn't for older Debain and Ubuntu installs. No, I didn't file a bug report, but reported it at least to one *buntu devel mailing list. Btw. I don't know if memtest from Arch Linux would work, I simply never installed it to my Debians/*buntus and other installs anymore. There's a live media from memtest. I'm to lazy to search for the link. I got false positives. A perfect working machine got RAM errors already when starting the test, but when using the memtest from the memtest live media, there were no errors when running the test several times, each day for around a day. This was repeatable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402398009.2813.29.camel@archlinux
Re: hardware errors
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 21:24 +1200, Richard Hector wrote: On 09/06/14 11:35, B wrote: On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 11:22:25 +1200 Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: I assume the RAM needs replacing - is it possible to figure out which DIMM(s)? Install memtest86+ and boot on it, then leave at least 3 complete cycles to run. Thanks. Have created a memtest86+ CD and will try it tomorrow evening (need a scheduled time to take it down). Interestingly, there are no more errors logged for the last day and a half ... Any guesses as to how long these 3 complete cycles will take? It's a Sun Fire X2100 M2 (dual core opteron 1218, 2600MHz) with 4G of RAM. I haven't run memtest for ages ... IIRC one complete standard test with my dual-core Athlon 2.1 GHz 4 GiB RAM takes more than 1 hour. I guess in 1 day it does around 8 complete tests, perhaps I run it just during the night in half of a day. I might be mistaken, but you should expect that you need to run it for several hours. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402398283.2813.33.camel@archlinux
Re: Please delete all my Post from my E-Mail adress !
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 12:10 +0200, Finjan, Salam wrote: Good day, please delete my post from mailing list! E-Mail:salam.fin...@nds.aok.de Thank you very much Finjan You need to send similar requests to the admin and not to the list, but you don't need to send this request, since this won't happen. You read to what you subscribed, before you subscribed? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402398563.2813.36.camel@archlinux
Re: Debian memtest package faulty? (was ... Re: hardware errors)
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 13:00 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 21:06 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: So you are saying the Debian and Ubuntu versions are buggy? Which live media version works for you? Have you filed a bug? Does the memtest86+ package work from the grub menu, for you? I can't say if it would work from the GRUB menu now, but it didn't for older Debain and Ubuntu installs. No, I didn't file a bug report, but reported it at least to one *buntu devel mailing list. Btw. I don't know if memtest from Arch Linux would work, I simply never installed it to my Debians/*buntus and other installs anymore. There's a live media from memtest. I'm to lazy to search for the link. I got false positives. A perfect working machine got RAM errors already when starting the test, but when using the memtest from the memtest live media, there were no errors when running the test several times, each day for around a day. This was repeatable. ^^^ time for around a day -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402398650.2813.37.camel@archlinux
Re: hardware errors
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 23:07 +1200, Richard Hector wrote: On 10/06/14 23:04, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 21:24 +1200, Richard Hector wrote: On 09/06/14 11:35, B wrote: On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 11:22:25 +1200 Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: I assume the RAM needs replacing - is it possible to figure out which DIMM(s)? Install memtest86+ and boot on it, then leave at least 3 complete cycles to run. Thanks. Have created a memtest86+ CD and will try it tomorrow evening (need a scheduled time to take it down). Interestingly, there are no more errors logged for the last day and a half ... Any guesses as to how long these 3 complete cycles will take? It's a Sun Fire X2100 M2 (dual core opteron 1218, 2600MHz) with 4G of RAM. I haven't run memtest for ages ... IIRC one complete standard test with my dual-core Athlon 2.1 GHz 4 GiB RAM takes more than 1 hour. I guess in 1 day it does around 8 complete tests, perhaps I run it just during the night in half of a day. I might be mistaken, but you should expect that you need to run it for several hours. Thanks. I'm not sure how long we can afford to leave the machine down; hopefully the error will show up promptly. BTW - it will show an error even if ECC corrects it, right? No ECC here. I don't know. I used StartPage and searched for memtest ECC. It seems to be, that memetst isn't good to test ECC. The current version seems to provide very limited hardware, seemingly Intel only. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402399473.2813.44.camel@archlinux
Re: GPG Keys..... was Re: Should I install chkrootkit?
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 07:12 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: For one thing, I don't think the real JS would send to me as well as to the list. I wouldn't do it on purpose, anyway :) Or send top-posting HTML formatted mails. Or ... The fake to be Jerry wasn't done very good, but it anyway caused enough trouble. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402399765.2813.47.camel@archlinux
Re: unable to mount removable media with xfce4 version 4.10.1
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 23:20 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 08:22:51AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 17:48 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2014 at 08:31:34PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: In this case systemd likely is for udev, wich usually also is used without systemd, but it's merged by upstream. Just a guess NO it isn't merged!!! Please stop spreading FUD! Sorry Ralf, I didn't mean to come across so harsh. It wasn't a problem and still is no problem, so don't worry about it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402400052.2813.48.camel@archlinux
Re: unable to mount removable media with xfce4 version 4.10.1
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 19:15 +0400, Reco wrote: So, maybe 'merged' is a wrong word to describe udev-systemd relationship. But it fits. All of your points IMO are true. Nobody, neither me, mentions that currently it is impossible to use udev without caring (too much) about systemd. IIUC Reco likes systmed. I dislike it, but seriously used it for moire then a year for my everyday Linux, however, Reco and I seem to agree, that merging the sources comes with some drawbacks by nature. It doesn't matter if we like systemd or if we dislike it. The KISS principle rules and IMHO it's offended by the policy of the systemd folks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402414516.6333.7.camel@archlinux
Re: unable to mount removable media with xfce4 version 4.10.1
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 17:35 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 19:15 +0400, Reco wrote: So, maybe 'merged' is a wrong word to describe udev-systemd relationship. But it fits. Perhaps merged indeed is a bad term, it is merged by the upstream's source tree, but it still is a different part, different source code. English isn't my native language. However, the decision to have both in one git was made for good reasons, sytemd should go conform with udev ... udev will be usable by other init systems for a long time, but _not_ forever. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402414865.6333.11.camel@archlinux
PS: unable to mount removable media with xfce4 version 4.10.1
Is GNOME3 easily available by other *nix alike systems? If not, what could be the reason? Do other *nix alike systems provide systemd? If not, what's the reason? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402415085.6333.13.camel@archlinux
Re: Handy ls: was Should I install chkrootkit?
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 11:42 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: to find those immense files that were put in the wrong places (downloaded distros mostly) Obsessional neurotics like me don't need to care about such things. It's unlikely that we miss to care about deleting stuff that was randomly downloaded to the wrong place. But indeed, from time to time this or similar things happen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402415404.6333.17.camel@archlinux
Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 18:15 +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I use the PC speaker for notifications/warnings/what ever and I use ALSA to play sound from e.g. a YouTube video and for pro-audio I use jackd, jackd doesn't always satisfy my needs, but IMO it still is the best sound server available for Linux. JMMV ;)! Could jack be used in a scenario where the sound originates from a Xen VM (via music players, youtube, whatever) and is received by the Xen host? (To complement XDMCP.) Software needs to be programmed to be a jack client. Software that doesn't come with jack support usually can't be used with jack. Unfortunately the FAQs are down: Site Down - thanks to the spam leeches The jackaudio.org website is temporarily shutdown due to a deep hack by the leeches who post pharmaceutical spam. It is not clear quite how they got in, but the penetration is sufficiently bad that the entire Drupal-based website is completely suspect and will have to be torn down and recreated. We apologize for the inconvenience, but nothing about the original site could be considered safe. The only thing that is left are the downloads for the most recent versions of JACK. We have confirmed that the tarballs were not corrupted. Current JACK1 release: version 0.124.1 MD5sum: d64e90121be8a54860b870a726fb5b5d Current JACK2 release ... coming once md5sum is established ... For people who wish to track or be involved with JACK development, our source code repositories continue to be available at GitHub which is also where you can find the bug/issue trackers for both JACK1 and JACK2. - http://jackaudio.org/ You don't need a real-time patched kernel or even a kernel with hard preemption settings to use jack, the real-time capabilities of modern vanilla kernels is good enough to use jack for many needs. I don't think it's possible to use jack to rout sound from virtual machines and even if it should be possible, I would use plain ALSA. JFTR the Ubuntu Studio developers decided to provide a combination of jack and pulseaudio. I'm absolutely against using 2 sound servers, but they have good reasons to go this way. My reasons to be against it are also good ;). I like the analogy to Lego :), but I have to add that even some software that is programmed to be a jack client, sometimes doesn't fit that good to the Lego pins of the jack soundserver. An disgusting example for an odd jack client is Audacity. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402441408.6333.31.camel@archlinux
Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)
On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 01:32 +0200, B wrote: That's a pity for such a good idea but I don't think the omen's good; we'll see (or not…) It's not the first time the homepage was hacked :(. Everybody is welcome to help ;). take a look at http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2014-May/034916.html and follow up mails. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402444606.9556.10.camel@archlinux
Re: unable to mount removable media with xfce4 version 4.10.1
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 17:48 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2014 at 08:31:34PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: In this case systemd likely is for udev, wich usually also is used without systemd, but it's merged by upstream. Just a guess NO it isn't merged!!! Please stop spreading FUD! https://lwn.net/Articles/490413/ https://www.archlinux.org/news/systemd-tools-replaces-udev/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402294971.813.8.camel@archlinux
Re: wine-unstable 64 bit
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 11:45 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Never tried to do that myself, but it should work: _ install build-dependencies of the package you want ( #aptitude build-dep package ) _ download the source package ( $apt-get source package ) _ replace the source code with official one ( unarchive the file apt-get gave you, download upstream's source-code, unarchive it needed -- not if you use git for example --, search for source code in apt's stuff, replace it with upstream's ) _ pray the gnu to not give you build errors ( it should not, but... should and will are different words, right? anyway we might be able to help you here if there are some ) _ compile and make the package(s) _ install the packages _ try to use the package The following example shows how to use a source from the Debian repos, replace the source code with source code from upstream and to build a new Debian package. This does work often, but also fails often, so good luck! Here's a pragmatic way to make a .deb of libasound2 - alsa-lib-1.0.24.1 cd /tmp/ apt-get source libasound2 sudo apt-get build-dep libasound2 mv -vi alsa-lib-1.0.23/ alsa-lib-1.0.24.1 curl ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/lib/alsa-lib-1.0.24.1.tar.bz2 \ | tar xvj cd alsa-lib-1.0.24.1 # edit debian/changelog - alsa-lib (1.0.24.1-1) unstable; urgency=low # edit debian/rules - remove line 15-18 (biarch builds) libtoolize --force --copy --automake aclocal autoreconf debuild -b -us -uc sudo dpkg -i ../*asound2*.deb - http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2011-June/078885.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402314244.813.52.camel@archlinux
Re: Should I install chkrootkit?
On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 18:57 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: The 'dot' at the start of the filename is how *nix systems traditionally mark a hidden file. Any filename beginning with a dot will be treated as hidden, and any filename not beginning with one won't. To see them in a terminal, the command is $ ls -a I prefer $ ls -A -A, --almost-all do not list implied . and .. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402270043.826.141.camel@archlinux
Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 15:51 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: PulseAudio is one of the multiple layer which are made to simplify the use of sound systems. It's called a sound server. Which means ( roughly, I'm not a translator ): So, the softwares which are using ALSA will send their output to PulseAudio, which will then use ALSA to access the real sound card. Yes, but this is not ridiculous, a layer to handle audio streams is useful. Sure, pulseaudio does handle the audio streams in a ridiculous way, but we don't need to discuss this again. For averaged desktop usage I use ALSA without a sound server, for pro-audio I use jackd. For averaged desktop audio users pulseaudio does provide a more or IMO rather less way to handle audio streams. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402322973.813.96.camel@archlinux
Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 16:52 +0200, Erwan David wrote: Le 09/06/2014 16:09, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : For averaged desktop audio users pulseaudio does provide a more or IMO rather less way to handle audio streams. What do you mean here ? I do notr use pulseaudio, what would it give me to have it ? I also have a laptop under fedora with pulseaudio, and I do not not see what pulseaudio brings comparing to a debian without it. I never used pulseaudio. In the past it didn't work with my prosumer and professional audio cards. It might work nowadays, but I wouldn't gain anything when using it. AFAIK for averaged desktop audio users pulseaudio is able to manage different audio streams, similar to a mixer. Once Fon's, a coder, on Linux audio user mailing list or Linux audio devel mailing list pointed out, that pulseaudio's mixing code is insane. Insane is my wording, maybe not his wording. It seems to be that PA e.g. reduce the level of the audio stream at one point of the audio chain and at the same time it does increase the audio level on another part of the same audio stream chain, this is a task that can't work, it's dilettante, no experienced audio engineer would tolerate such an idiotic way to handle an audio stream. The PA developers, especially one guy, claimed that PA can't work perfectly, because the ALSA developers miss to provide some information the PA code needs ... but IMO I shouldn't continue. It's said that PA is a blessing for averaged desktop audio usage. That's how it should be. I use the PC speaker for notifications/warnings/what ever and I use ALSA to play sound from e.g. a YouTube video and for pro-audio I use jackd, jackd doesn't always satisfy my needs, but IMO it still is the best sound server available for Linux. JMMV ;)! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402326527.813.123.camel@archlinux
Re: unable to mount removable media with xfce4 version 4.10.1
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 03:14 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 02:56:53PM +0400, Reco wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 01:31:26PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Quote from the first link: The udev built from the systemd source tree will stay compatible with non-systemd init systems for a long time. This change is mostly a detail of the build scheme, rather than a change of direction or interfaces. Accordingly, the libudev API is untouched by these build infrastructure changes. For us, compatibility is key. Allow me to remind you this story: Which doesn't change the facts. The udev built from the systemd source tree will stay compatible with non-systemd init systems for a long time. Is there a definition for a long time? On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 18:01 +0400, Reco wrote: But that's not the point. The point of this story is - udev and systemd share one upstream, every change made in udev is made because systemd upstream wants udev to behave systemd special way. To make myself clear I'd like to add that I have nothing against systemd. I'm using systemd for my everyday Linux since years, it's Arch and not Debian. Systemd still could be a PITA and I'm not talking about the force fsck I mentioned at Debian OT, before I unsubscribed from Debian OT. Systemd has got many drawbacks, the systemd fans enforce the reduction of choice. Currently a bug report at Arch was closed without a fix, now I'm talking about the forced fsck. Soon or later you will experience this and other issues for Debian too. The systemd upstream makes the rules. Udev for good reasons was merged years ago with systemd. I did not spread FUD, it's a fact that udev is merged with udev. So what's your point Chris? We still could use udev without systemd? Yes, I didn't claim anything else, but it still is merged by upstream. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402328101.813.136.camel@archlinux
Re: unable to mount removable media with xfce4 version 4.10.1
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 17:35 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: udev is merged with udev ^ systemd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402328432.813.137.camel@archlinux
Re: unable to mount removable media with xfce4 version 4.10.1
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 17:35 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm using systemd for my everyday Linux since years To be more precise, for my Arch that was stable until a few days ago, I at least use systemd, from = to =: [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep systemd /var/log/pacman.log [snip] [2013-02-17 02:59] installed systemd (197-4) [snip] [2014-06-04 08:34] [PACMAN] upgraded systemd (212-3 - 213-5) [snip] [2014-06-07 17:19] [PACMAN] upgraded systemd (213-5 - 213-6) [snip] [2014-06-08 09:36] [PACMAN] downgraded systemd (213-6 - 212-3) [snip] My Debian does use sysvinit ;). Neither sysvinit, nor upstart ever did or do cause a PITA for me, only systemd did, does and likely will ;). JMMV! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402329264.813.143.camel@archlinux
Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 18:56 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 09 iun 14, 09:30:01, Steve Litt wrote: I look forward to hearing how other people do or don't work with PulseAudio (and ALSA) in this thread. I'll try to explain it simply, but I have a feeling this will turn out quite long: ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) is the kernel driver part plus a library. In an ideal world it would be all you need to have sound, but: - by default ALSA would not do software mixing (and most consumer grade sound cards don't have a hardware mixer) - the dmix plugin had (still has?) various quirks and limitations and for a long time was not enabled by default Because of this in addition to ALSA on most systems one would also need a sound server to do software mixing: aRts for KDE, esd for Gnome, JACK for profesional audio (Ralf's domain). Unfortunately at this point http://xkcd.com/927/ happened, so instead of taking one (JACK would have been a good idea probably) and improving it to do whatever was missing some guy(s) thought it would be a good idea to create a new sound server (pulseaudio). The good: - aRts and esd died - most (all) user applications now have native pulseaudio support, so the fake ALSA sink that is used for programs without pulseaudio support will probably go away soon. - pulseaudio has interesting additional features, some of them even useful :) The bad: - it adds complexity, especially now that ALSA + dmix mostly works for the common use (have two applications play sounds at the same time) - when it doesn't work it's difficult to find out why. - it's not performant enough to also replace JACK. Professional audio is probably not pulseaudio's goal, but if we've got to have a sound server I'd rather we had only one that works properly for all use cases. The ugly: - sound not working seems to be happening especially when pulseaudio is installed afterwards (e.g. as dependency of a new application) as opposed to new installations. Since removing it quite often magically makes sound work again not many people bother to understand what happened or even just file (useful) bug reports. Hope this explains, IMO your Alberto Grimaldi explanation is ok ;). I'm biased ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402330172.813.146.camel@archlinux
Re: Listing packages installed from experimental
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 17:25 -0700, David Glover-Aoki wrote: I'm running wheezy but have some packages installed from experimental. How can I list all the packages currently installed from experimental? It can't harm to do some research ;). https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=apt-show-versions http://man.cx/apt-show-versions root@debi386:~# apt-show-versions [snip] zip/wheezy uptodate 3.0-6 zita-ajbridge/jessie uptodate 0.4.0-1 [snip] root@debi386:~# apt-get update [snip] root@debi386:~# apt-show-versions [snip] zip/unknown upgradeable from 3.0-6 to 3.0-8 zita-ajbridge/unknown uptodate 0.4.0-1 [snip] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402370040.813.198.camel@archlinux
Re: Listing packages installed from experimental
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 05:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 17:25 -0700, David Glover-Aoki wrote: I'm running wheezy but have some packages installed from experimental. How can I list all the packages currently installed from experimental? It can't harm to do some research ;). https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=apt-show-versions http://man.cx/apt-show-versions root@debi386:~# apt-show-versions [snip] zip/wheezy uptodate 3.0-6 zita-ajbridge/jessie uptodate 0.4.0-1 [snip] root@debi386:~# apt-get update [snip] root@debi386:~# apt-show-versions [snip] zip/unknown upgradeable from 3.0-6 to 3.0-8 zita-ajbridge/unknown uptodate 0.4.0-1 [snip] PS: apt-show-versions | grep /wheezy apt-show-versions | grep /unknown I suspect packages from experimental are also shown and you can grep for them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402370391.813.200.camel@archlinux
Re: Killfiling: was Should I install chkrootkit?
As we can see now, killfiling Horatio or banning him from the list is impossible, he simply will use another email address. Jerry, did you notice that there also was sent a mail to the Debian off-topic list, most likely from Horatio, using the j.stuc...@outlook.com address? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402210116.849.17.camel@archlinux
Re: Auto-emptying of trash.
That's strange, since rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty seemingly shouldn't remove the directory. I wasn't aware about this, so I tested it, resp. compared it to rm -r [1]. Perhaps you should post the complete script, the culprit seems not to be rmdir. [1] [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ touch ~/Desktop/test ~/Desktop/.test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl Desktop total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:33 test -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:33 .test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ rm -r ~/Desktop [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAld Desktop ls: cannot access Desktop: No such file or directory [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ mkdir Desktop ; touch ~/Desktop/test ~/Desktop/.test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl Desktop total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:34 test -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:34 .test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty ~/Desktop [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAld Desktop drwxr-xr-x 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K Jun 8 10:34 Desktop -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402216816.810.11.camel@archlinux
Re: Auto-emptying of trash.
On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 10:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: That's strange, since rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty seemingly shouldn't remove the directory. I wasn't aware about this, so I tested it, resp. compared it to rm -r [1]. Perhaps you should post the complete script, the culprit seems not to be rmdir. [1] [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ touch ~/Desktop/test ~/Desktop/.test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl Desktop total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:33 test -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:33 .test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ rm -r ~/Desktop [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAld Desktop ls: cannot access Desktop: No such file or directory [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ mkdir Desktop ; touch ~/Desktop/test ~/Desktop/.test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl Desktop total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:34 test -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:34 .test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty ~/Desktop [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAld Desktop drwxr-xr-x 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K Jun 8 10:34 Desktop PS: But rmdir doesn't remove empty the directory ;). [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty ~/Desktop [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl ~/Desktop total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:34 test -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:34 .test -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402217056.810.12.camel@archlinux
Re: Auto-emptying of trash.
On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 10:44 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 10:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: That's strange, since rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty seemingly shouldn't remove the directory. I wasn't aware about this, so I tested it, resp. compared it to rm -r [1]. Perhaps you should post the complete script, the culprit seems not to be rmdir. [1] [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ touch ~/Desktop/test ~/Desktop/.test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl Desktop total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:33 test -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:33 .test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ rm -r ~/Desktop [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAld Desktop ls: cannot access Desktop: No such file or directory [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ mkdir Desktop ; touch ~/Desktop/test ~/Desktop/.test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl Desktop total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:34 test -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:34 .test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty ~/Desktop [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAld Desktop drwxr-xr-x 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K Jun 8 10:34 Desktop PS: But rmdir doesn't remove empty the directory ;). [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty ~/Desktop [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl ~/Desktop total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:34 test -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:34 .test Oops, pardon you want to delete dirs inside the trash dir?! It doesn't work either [2]. Is this something that should work in combination with find? [2] [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ mkdir ~/Desktop/testdir ; touch ~/Desktop/testdir/test ~/Desktop/testdir/.test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl ~/Desktop/testdir total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:50 test -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:50 .test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty ~/Desktop/testdir [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl ~/Desktop/testdir total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:50 test -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jun 8 10:50 .test [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAld ~/Desktop/testdir drwxr-xr-x 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K Jun 8 10:50 /home/rocketmouse/Desktop/testdir -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402217660.810.15.camel@archlinux
Re: Jessie PowerPC installer doesn't see USB keyboard on PowerPC Mac machines
On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 10:46 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: On Sun, Jun 08, 2014 at 12:14:56AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-06-07 at 15:04 -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: Hmmm... I originally reported this back in November. After a while, it went away for me. Downloading the latest (about January time-frame) netinst image worked fine -- both Jessie and Wheezy. I haven't tried it recently, though. Possibly a regression? Rick PS: Jessie on a powerpc64 (Apple MacPro dual G5) crashes randomly upon attempting to reboot. Anybody else noticing this? Mailing Lists The Debian PowerPC mailing list is the proper place for questions, suggestions for improvements, or just for chat concerning PowerPC systems running Debian. The debian-user list is also available for general Debian questions which are not specific to PowerPC. Ralf - Rick has been using Debian email lists longer than you and he knows about the PowerPC lists. There is probably a valid reason why he's using the general Debian-Users list, and no it's not off topic here - It's about Debian and he's a user! You and your off-topic posts shouldn't be pointing fingers at people! Use some common sense! I didn't, I wanted to help, because I wasn't aware that he knows what he did, when sending a reply to this list. You shouldn't assume something bad. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402257471.826.102.camel@archlinux
Re: GPG Keys..... was Re: Should I install chkrootkit?
On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 17:53 +0200, Bzzz wrote: On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 01:43:28 +1000 Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: If one is living in the USA or western Europe getting one's key signed shouldn't be too difficult. How about Australia? Not allowed: if you sign your e-mails, they'll blacklist you, you'll suffer a kangaroo invasion in your kitchen, your kids' hamster will die from plague, they'll list you as a potential terrorist and all your sites will join the dentist one in the big-filter. You have been warned. I will not sign my emails to mailing lists, however, you're mistaken, several people subscribed to Debian user sign there mails. Those people are not blacklisted, perhaps there are kangaroos or penguins in their kitchen, I don't know, anyway, signing is allowed, usually it's just unwanted for mails send to a mailing list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402257903.826.106.camel@archlinux
Re: GPG Keys..... was Re: Should I install chkrootkit?
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 00:22 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 08 iun 14, 22:05:03, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I will not sign my emails to mailing lists, however, you're mistaken, several people subscribed to Debian user sign there mails. Those people are not blacklisted, perhaps there are kangaroos or penguins in their kitchen, I don't know, anyway, signing is allowed, usually it's just unwanted for mails send to a mailing list. Could you please elaborate on this? What should I explain? That signing usually is unwanted? It's usually unwanted, because there is absolutely no reason to sign mails to a mailing list, especially when most messages are signed with untrusted keys. I experience this on many mailing lists, not at Debian user. Signing a mail to a mailing list IMO is similar to draw up a contract, when you lend a friend 10,-€. There simply shouldn't be the need to sign those messages, just because there is one Super-Troll. AFAIK this never happened before and there's no reason to assume it will happen often in the future. This Super-Troll is an exception. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402263460.826.132.camel@archlinux
Re: Should I install chkrootkit?
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 01:08 +0200, Filip wrote: $ ls -lA I recommend to add the h option. $ ls -hAl t or d sometimes are useful too, but by default I tend to use -hAl. Mnemonic, HAL, resp. HAL 9000 is the computer in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402270515.826.146.camel@archlinux
Re: hardware errors
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 01:35 +0200, B wrote: On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 11:22:25 +1200 Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: I assume the RAM needs replacing - is it possible to figure out which DIMM(s)? Install memtest86+ and boot on it, then leave at least 3 complete cycles to run. I would use the memtest live media instead, so you're aware that you always get the current version from upstream. On my machine memtest from Debian and Ubuntu fails, while same versions from the live media don't fail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402271153.8886.4.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Sat, 2014-06-07 at 21:43 +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: [snip] Andrew do _not_ reply to Horatio yet. Only consider to reply, assumed he should apologized to the list and especially to Jerry! TIA, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402141726.4950.25.camel@archlinux
Re: Jessie PowerPC installer doesn't see USB keyboard on PowerPC Mac machines
On Sat, 2014-06-07 at 15:04 -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: Hmmm... I originally reported this back in November. After a while, it went away for me. Downloading the latest (about January time-frame) netinst image worked fine -- both Jessie and Wheezy. I haven't tried it recently, though. Possibly a regression? Rick PS: Jessie on a powerpc64 (Apple MacPro dual G5) crashes randomly upon attempting to reboot. Anybody else noticing this? Mailing Lists The Debian PowerPC mailing list is the proper place for questions, suggestions for improvements, or just for chat concerning PowerPC systems running Debian. The debian-user list is also available for general Debian questions which are not specific to PowerPC. To join the list, send e-mail to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with the word subscribe in the Subject line. List archives are available https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/ . - https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402179296.844.37.camel@archlinux
Re: Jessie PowerPC installer doesn't see USB keyboard on PowerPC Mac machines
On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 00:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-06-07 at 15:04 -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: Hmmm... I originally reported this back in November. After a while, it went away for me. Downloading the latest (about January time-frame) netinst image worked fine -- both Jessie and Wheezy. I haven't tried it recently, though. Possibly a regression? Rick PS: Jessie on a powerpc64 (Apple MacPro dual G5) crashes randomly upon attempting to reboot. Anybody else noticing this? Mailing Lists The Debian PowerPC mailing list is the proper place for questions, suggestions for improvements, or just for chat concerning PowerPC systems running Debian. The debian-user list is also available for general Debian questions which are not specific to PowerPC. To join the list, send e-mail to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with the word subscribe in the Subject line. List archives are available https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/ . - https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/ Oops, it's a quote from http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402179491.844.39.camel@archlinux
Re: unable to mount removable media with xfce4 version 4.10.1
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 10:56 +0200, François Patte wrote: Le 06/06/2014 10:29, David Dušanić a écrit : 05.06.2014, 15:28, François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr: Bonjour, Since last upgrade, I cannot mount (or umount) any removable media under xfce4: I can see the icon on the desktop, mouse over indicates that the media is not mounted and if I ask (mouse left click) to mount them the answer is: not authorized operation Yes, I have thunar correctly configured Strangely, I can mount CD and DVD using xfce mount plugin but this one does not show usb disks or sticks Any clue? (debian sid updated). Thanks I could think about a systemd issue. If you use policykit then it needs systemd now in sid. Are you still using sysv? Yes, I think so because I did not install systemd If you are right, what about a backward compatibility of installed systems? Developpers do not care? In this case systemd likely is for udev, wich usually also is used without systemd, but it's merged by upstream. Just a guess OT: You won't experience the issue I currently experience with my Arch Linux. I suspect another systemd fun, as soon as I know more, I will open a thread at Debian off-topic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402079494.799.7.camel@archlinux
Re: Should I install chkrootkit?
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 21:38 +1200, Richard Hector wrote: On 06/06/14 05:22, Bob Holtzman wrote: Why should I subscribe to d-community-offtopic? Isn't chkrootkit a Debian package? No, it's a linux package. Debian in merely one of the distros that carries it in their repos. Um, no. chkrootkit is a tool that will work on GNU/Linux and other Unix-like systems. The ckhrootkit package in Debian is a Debian package. I think it's entirely reasonable to discuss its use in Debian on this list. It is, but Horatio mentioned Ubuntu ;). I like Horatio, no bad feelings here, but I agree that Horatio needs to learn, how to inform himself. Self-responsibility is mandatory when using *nix, so it's better to introduce Linux to him at the OT mailing list. 2 Cents, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402079729.799.10.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 02:52 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: I bet that no one here is willing to give that kind of awesome answers, assuming that they know. The so-called experts here will tell me to first read the official Debian Reference manual, man pages and maybe a book on bash scripting for the uninitiated. You're mistaken, assumed you post links to your research and you claim that you're unable to understand something yet, most folks on this list will provide such help too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402079879.799.12.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 03:09 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: Did you know that I'm dyslexic? And there are many categories of dyslexia? I suffer from dyslexia too, but I'm highly gifted and I guess your IQ is also higher than 45. Learning by doing, to understand --help and man pages is great when reading is an issue. What is it like to have dyslexia? Animations Illustrations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZLFTW4OGY -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402080303.799.16.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 10:39 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Your claim of having an IQ of 45 is an insult to those who really DO have an IQ of 45. Full ACK! People with mental handicaps are welcome! Usually people with mental handicaps are not that eloquent as Horatio is ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402080768.799.19.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 09:03 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: __ From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:35 PM Subject: Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)? It's clear to anyone with half a brain. To those, the examples are quite good. But then Debian is made for people with half a brain - not trolls and idiots. Lemme psycho-analyze you: you're a miserable, lonely man full of bitterness and angry with the world. Your wife has divorced you and has custody of your children (if you have any to begin with) and you're a loser with women because you suck at relationship-building. That's why you spend almost your entire waking hours on a keyboard behind a computer monitor. Besides your computer, the only other companion you have is your beer. It's not hard to guess you're a pot-bellied, bald headed fatso. Please Jerry and Horatio stopp this flame war. And especially you Horatio, consider if the above words from you are appropriate. IMO this goes much too far. :( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402081154.799.22.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 12:35 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: On 06/06/2014 12:17 PM, Bzzz wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: I do have an IQ of 45. This explains a lot… Which IQ scale is this score on? Most of the scale charts on the Wikipedia entry on IQ classification don't go down that low. The Stanford-Binet 5th-edition scale does, and labels it as moderately impaired or delayed (their lowest listed classification); the Levine and Marks 1928 scale also does, and labels it as moron (which at least is above the ranges labeled as imbecile and idiot). None of the others seem to, at a glance. It would vary depending on the scale, but offhand, I wouldn't have expected someone with an IQ that low to be capable of writing as fast (and with as good spelling and grammar) as Horatio Leragon has done in these threads. Which would imply either that he's doing extremely well for his IQ level, or that he in fact does not have an IQ that low. You're right Wanderer. Horatio must have an IQ much higher than 45. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402081475.799.23.camel@archlinux
Re: Post-installation: how to auto-configure network adapter (ie. enable internet access)?
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 15:04 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 6/6/2014 2:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Please Jerry and Horatio stopp this flame war. And especially you Horatio, consider if the above words from you are appropriate. IMO this goes much too far. :( Ralf, You're right. This guy is hopeless - even worse than most trolls. Hopefully others will ignore him as I plan to do. Jerry If Horatio should apologize to you, I'm willing to help him at the off-topic mailing list. If he shouldn't apologize to you, I will ignore him. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402082644.799.27.camel@archlinux
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
Hi Horatio, On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 22:13 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: I now understand why Ubuntu is way more popular than Debian Opinions like that can better be discussed at the Debian off-topic list. Ubuntu does cast a bad light on free software, regarding to the Unity lenses spyware that is included by default. JFTR other *buntus don't add it. Please, remember to reply to the list _only_, otherwise we receive duplicated mails from you. Don't send a reply to _this_ mail to Debian user, please reply only to http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic and consider to do the same for some other questions. You noticed that your approach not making enough research on your own is uncommon for most Linux users. On an Ubuntu mailing list you perhaps could continue this approach, but it won't help you. Linux is good, because users are self-responsible, have got more knowledge about their machines, than averaged Apple and Microsoft users. On some Linux mailing lists, they wouldn't set a moderation bit, they would ban you, IOW Debian user isn't the most hard Linux mailing list :). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401955336.594.14.camel@archlinux
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 04:18 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: How do I learn it? Learning by doing ;). $ chown --help Usage: chown [OPTION]... [OWNER][:[GROUP]] FILE... or: chown [OPTION]... --reference=RFILE FILE... [snip] Examples: chown root /uChange the owner of /u to root. chown root:staff /u Likewise, but also change its group to staff. chown -hR root /uChange the owner of /u and subfiles to root. When you learned how to use several commands, you automatically learn how to interpret something like [OWNER][:[GROUP]]. Sometimes man(ual)pages and --help gives examples. By the way, is there any particular reason you choose to use startpage instead of Google or DuckDuckGo? I don't use DuckDuckGo, because it doesn't provide German search. I don't use Google or ixquick, because I prefer to get the advantages of both, by using StartPage ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401881736.11157.20.camel@archlinux
Re: Should I install chkrootkit?
If you like more uncertainty, you should read about e.g. heartbleed, Unity Lenses and Hans Reiser ;). You are aware that Linux is from this planet? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401882629.11157.25.camel@archlinux
Re: Should I install chkrootkit?
On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 14:24 +0200, Slavko wrote: Yes, there are bad boys on this world, which attempt to compromise foreign computers. In some countries it a normal government practice. Yes, AFAIK in Ponyland, aka Friendship Gardens, it's _not_ normal government practise. Horatio, please subscribe to http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic too and please, only reply to the list, you missed to take care about the reply to the list only commandment. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401885430.11157.33.camel@archlinux
Re: Should I install chkrootkit?
On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 14:37 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 14:24 +0200, Slavko wrote: Yes, there are bad boys on this world, which attempt to compromise foreign computers. In some countries it a normal government practice. Yes, AFAIK in Ponyland, aka Friendship Gardens, it's _not_ normal government practise. Horatio, please subscribe to http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic too and please, only reply to the list, you missed to take care about the reply to the list only commandment. - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org (reason: 550-policyd-weight said: Your MTA is listed in too many DNSBLs; check) *chuckle* So I cannot transfer some of Horatio's threads to the off-topic list ;p. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401885901.11157.36.camel@archlinux
Re: Should I install chkrootkit?
On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 14:18 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote: BTW you would be well served to read this site: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html I'm surprised that you haven't been steered to it before, way before. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/06/msg00185.html ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401917259.11157.71.camel@archlinux
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
On Tue, 2014-06-03 at 15:50 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: apt-get -f install means a force install, am I correct? No, you aren't! -f, --fix-broken Fix; attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place. - http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-get dpkg -i doesn't resolve dependencies. Before You Ask Before asking a technical question by e-mail, or in a newsgroup, or on a website chat board, do the following: 1. Try to find an answer by searching the archives of the forum you plan to post to. 2. Try to find an answer by searching the Web. 3. Try to find an answer by reading the manual. 4. Try to find an answer by reading a FAQ. 5. Try to find an answer by inspection or experimentation. - http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401837386.823.26.camel@archlinux
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 00:14 +0100, Brian wrote: No. please see apt-get(8) (man apt-get) A note to the OP. Yet you might not be able to understand the syntax of a man(ual)page, but you need to learn it. Btw. you could use a search engine to do research in the Internet. https://startpage.com/ Search term: apt-get manual First hit: http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get Assumed you're using a GUI web-browser push Ctrl+F Search term: force The first result is: --force-yes Force yes. This is a dangerous option that will cause apt-get to continue without prompting if it is doing something potentially harmful. It should not be used except in very special situations. Using --force-yes can potentially destroy your system! Configuration Item: APT::Get::force-yes. Go back to the beginning of the website and use the search term: -f The fourth result is: -f, --fix-broken Fix. Attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place. For research to answer your question yourself, you neither need to understand the syntax of a manpage, nor you need to read the whole text. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401839668.823.38.camel@archlinux
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 01:54 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: https://startpage.com/ Search term: apt-get manual First hit: http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get JFTR for the search term: apt-get man or for: apt-get manpage The second hit is manpages.debian.net ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401840346.823.40.camel@archlinux
Re: Create backup of system-connections on a USB stick
On Sun, 2014-06-01 at 04:42 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: __ From: Filip fi...@fbvnet.be To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Create backup of system-connections on a USB stick http://www.linux.org/threads/file-permissions-chmod.4094/ That URL links to something quite informative. https://startpage.com/ Search term: wiki chmod First hit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod I for example often prefer to use the ugoa+- options. https://startpage.com/ Search term: wiki chown: First hit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chown https://startpage.com/ Search term: debian wiki: First hit: https://wiki.debian.org/ Hth, Ralf PS: Pleas reply to the list only, don't reply directly to list members. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401640031.822.7.camel@archlinux
Re: fastest linux distro
On Fri, 2014-05-30 at 12:54 +0200, Thierry de Coulon wrote: Who cares if it's a DE or not if it does all one expects from one? I don't care and btw. I don't claim that JWM is a DE. The discussion started about speed. I don't think it was about a quick startup, but about a fast GUI performance. After a while lightness in the sense of how much RAM is needed for the WM/DE became the topic. It's important to distinguish the RAM space of a WM that only does handle windows, with a DE where already the desktop is a comfortable file manager, at least to take care that the lightweight WM does need more additional things that will need additional RAM. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401554690.673.35.camel@archlinux
Re: fastest linux distro
On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 08:51 -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote: Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last just manages windows category, and, in fact, don't even include a panel, which I think JWM has by default. Correct, JWM e.g. provides a panel by default, OTOH JWM anyway needs less RAM than many other WMs and nobody is forced to use the panel, IOW comparing WMs and DEs by the minimal needed RAM is tricky. A user should compare the RAM usage, performance, stability by monitoring it for the user's individual work-flow in combination with often needed apps. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401555619.673.40.camel@archlinux
Re: Create backup of system-connections on a USB stick
On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 04:04:29 +0200, Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: Andrei POPESCU, Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:35 PM: Probably simplest is to switch to root an copy the files to the stick. How do I switch to root? During installation of Debian, I expressly clicked No to Allow login as root option. sudo -i Also if the stick is FAT32 you will loose all information about permissions, so if you ever copy them back you have to adjust those by hand accordingly. Please show me how to adjust those permissions back to their original forms. Assumed there's no data on the stick, IOW assumed you plan to copy to a stick, then don't copy the directories and files directly, but write the directories and files to a tar archive, so all the permissions are preserved and you're free to compress the archive. cd /path/to/dir/you/want/to/copy/ tar --exclude=file_that_should_not_be_copied -czf /pa/th/backup_file.bak.tar.gz * .hidden_file You should read some howtos about shell globbing, before you write data to an archive. You should read some howtos about how to use tar, e.g. how to restore data from the archive. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/op.xgrdfddpqhadp0@suse11-2
Re: Create backup of system-connections on a USB stick
On Sun, 2014-06-01 at 06:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Assumed there's no data on the stick, IOW assumed you plan to copy to a stick, then don't copy the directories and files directly, but write the directories and files to a tar archive, so all the permissions are preserved and you're free to compress the archive. cd /path/to/dir/you/want/to/copy/ tar --exclude=file_that_should_not_be_copied -czf /pa/th/backup_file.bak.tar.gz * .hidden_file You should read some howtos about shell globbing, before you write data to an archive. You should read some howtos about how to use tar, e.g. how to restore data from the archive. PS: Also read man chown man chmod -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401600280.1483.2.camel@archlinux
Re: What is the difference between linux-image-amd64 and linux-image-3.2.0.4-amd64?
dep: linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 - https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-amd64 linux-image-amd64 is a meta-package, that installs linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64. If you install the meta-package, I guess an update of the meta-package will replace linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64, if there should be a version linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 available. If you install it without the meta-package, you could install another version of the kernel beside this one. I might be right or wrong, you could find out yourself by some research on the Debian websites. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401365144.12664.15.camel@archlinux
Re: fastest linux distro
On Thu, 29 May 2014 19:04:13 +0200, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Tony, do you know of any documentation or other evidence of how Openbox, Xfce, LXDE, IceWM, and fvwm2 stack up against each other as far as lightness? What's your definition of lightness? WM/DE Memory (MB): https://l3net.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/cmp-all4.png What ever versions of those WMs and DEs are compared, it's irrelevant. I experience JWM on Debian and Arch as the environment that fit good to my needs. Most important for me are stability and that nothing annoys me, so for my taste I for example don't want GVFS and pulseaudio. I want to use the mouse, I dislike too many shortcuts. However, IMO using less RAM usage by the WM/DE is relatively unimportant, it anyway depends to the used applications. Does a lightweight app support the functionality I need? For those who care (too) much about RAM, consider to thin out the kernel too. Regarding to performance, nowadays, when using modern computers, it's much more important to get rid of shared interrupts. Consider to unbind USB ports that share interrupts with other hardware, consider to mount some cards to another PCI(e) slot, than the one they use now etc., assumed there are shared interrupts. Linux does handle RAM very smart, to get a faster startup or a faster performance you need to care much more about other issues, than you should care about RAM usage. JFTR your really oldish PCs likely consumes more power, than a decent energy saving dual-core does, so if you want to save the environment or to save money, a relatively new computer could be appropriated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/op.xgmtnntpqhadp0@suse11-2
Re: Cloning hdds of different sizes
On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 22:05 +0300, Catalin Soare wrote: dd was running like so: dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sda. #!/bin/sh dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sda echo dd exit status: $? dd.log exit Assumed the exit status isn't 0, there was an error. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401392971.1303.12.camel@archlinux
Re: fastest linux distro
On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 22:26 +0200, Gour wrote: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: If there's a lighter weight DE I'd like to know. http://i3wm.org/ A tiling WM isn't a DE. Regarding to this https://l3net.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/cmp-all4.png comparing MB, JWM is as lightweight as i3, but the WM already comes with a panel, multiple desktops, a Window behaviour similar to LXDE's and Xfce's. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401395964.3213.5.camel@archlinux
Re: fastest linux distro
On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 23:07 +0200, Gour wrote: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net writes: A tiling WM isn't a DE. Can you tell me what is missing? It has status bar, systray, launcher, workspaces...ability to launch specific app in a specific workspace. There is upcoming feature to save one's layout. If so, then still resizing and moving windows by the mouse is missing, assumed even this isn't missing, then it's not a tiling WM anymore. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401398379.3213.9.camel@archlinux
Re: fastest linux distro
On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 20:15 -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote: jwm, openbox, wmii, tritium, etc., are window managers that might reduce your load. Correct, however, it doesn't matter if you run JWM or KDE4, when just using a browser, on an averaged dual-core machine. There won't be noticeable performance differences. I've got a Debian install on such a dual-core machine with KDE4 and JWM installed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401337670.665.79.camel@archlinux
Re: fastest linux distro
On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 14:24 -0700, tom arnall wrote: debian over ubuntu hands down for speed and for efficient resources utilization. it's a harder install, but for me well worth the extra work. This claim is nonsense. Upstart likely will shorten the startup for Ubuntu, even while it might start tons more unneeded services, than Debian does, assumed your Debian does use SysVinit. 32-bit packages are better optimized to modern CPUs by Ubuntu, than Debian packages. On 1/24/14, tom arnall kloro2...@gmail.com wrote: I am looking for the fastest Linux distro for the following purposes. System: Dell latitude D630 dual core 2g memory most used applications: icewm gnome-terminal vim perl chrome browser transmission Currently I am running ubuntu 12.04. I am unhappy with the speed of it. Any info/suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Shortest startup? Best graphic performance? IOW fastest what? You're using apps that aren't critical regarding to performance and you run those apps on a lightweight WM, so I wonder what performance you want improve. There's no more or less fast distro. Linux is the kernel and even a distro specific patch unlikely has got noticeable impact to performance for your setup. Sure, Ubuntu by default likely starts tons of unneeded services, while Arch doesn't start any service, but a user could set up Ubuntu, Debian, Suse, Arch or any other distro the same way. What performance do you want to increase? I suspect you want to know what distro's default install will provide the best performance for the task/s you didn't mention. An example: -If I use Debian with a vanilla kernel, then the GUI performance is good, but the audio performance is bad. -If I use Debian with a real-time patched kernel, then the GUI performance is bad, but the audio performance is good (because it's wanted this way ;). IOW sometimes you simply need to take care about priorities and when not using real-time, you also could care for nice values. If you e.g. use PAM: $ cat /etc/security/limits.conf # [snip] #- priority - the priority to run user process with # [snip] #- nice - max nice priority allowed to raise to values: [-20, 19] # [snip] Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401337298.665.75.camel@archlinux
Re: fastest linux distro
On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 06:43 +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote: 2014-05-29 6:27 GMT+02:00 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 20:15 -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote: jwm, openbox, wmii, tritium, etc., are window managers that might reduce your load. Correct, however, it doesn't matter if you run JWM or KDE4, when just using a browser, on an averaged dual-core machine. There won't be noticeable performance differences. I've got a Debian install on such a dual-core machine with KDE4 and JWM installed. Don't you spread confusion, a standard kde or gnome install sucks memory because of that, Because of what does it sucks memory? It sucks (memory) if somebody claims something that isn't true by an email sent as HTML + plain text. There's no need to sent the same text in one mail two times, especially when HTML is frowned upon. And now the bomb drops ... Awesome or JWM they run with a ridicoulus memory usage, so DE matters a lot on systems with 2gb of memory. If you have daemons/services running in the background it matters, everything matters on machines of that kind if you don't need (ssh, cups, cron, ntp, at, syslog, exim, etc etc...) ... there's also no need to start services that are unneeded and there's no need to use KDE4 with desktop effects. You are free to run KDE4 without 3D or sound effects, you are free to use any DE without services that upstream or distro maintainers make a default. 2GB on a dual-core and you won't see a difference in performance when running vim in gnome-terminal, no matter if you run it on KDE4 or JWM. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401340094.665.92.camel@archlinux
Re: repeatable dpkg-buildpackage
Note that when building a headers package you must run the entire make-kpkg command under fakeroot: you can't use the --rootcmd fakeroot option in this case. - https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/10/msg2.html So I'm 50% mistaken and 50% right ;). I anyway need to run my scripts as root to automatically install the packages and after that to correct links and do some other things that require root privileges. However, I remembered that there was a fakeroot issue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401189099.1274.4.camel@archlinux
Re: Assange and NSA
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 09:41 -0500, John Hasler wrote: The title of the blog tells you all you need to know. JFTR the article includes a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owned. Anyway, I already at the beginning of the Julian Assange affair got the impression, that Julian Assange isn't working against the NSA, but making propaganda pro NSA, by claiming the NSA has got abilities, the NSA does not have. Where are the examples? It's all open source, he could simply mention that a backdoor code starts at line x of source package file y, so we could take a look at it. Sounds like trolling and smells like FUD (Fear, uncertainty and doubt/female urination device - http://www.dict.cc/?s=FUD) ). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401202810.1274.28.camel@archlinux
Re: Assange and NSA
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 27 May 2014 16:21:50 +0200 Diogene Laerce me_buss...@yahoo.fr napísal: Hi, Maybe I missed the thread : I wasn't there for a while but I would like to have your advice on that article : http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ From end of the article: UPDATE: Wikileaks is officially denying that Julian Assange literally said “Debian Is Owned By The NSA”. All other thing was discussed more times there and they are widely known. Some from us want to believe, that these errors was simple mistakes only and some don't want to believe this. And beside these here exists a big group of users, which don't believe to anything, to anyone when the security and privacy goes to play. Only very simple people will hope, that the NSA (the USA government) will not try to get access into free/open software, because this is a big source of information. And only very simple people (again) will believe, that they will not abuse it. regards Hahaha, I assent to the view of Tamer Higazi, join a conspiracy forum and start hunting bigfoot and shapeshifters. Sure, the NSA likely hacked some FLOSS code we are using, but the NSA unlikely has taken over absolute control. They likely have got absolute control over American computer companies like Apple and Microsoft, but they never ever have the same power for open source. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401203588.1274.34.camel@archlinux
Re: Assange and NSA
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 11:20 -0400, Ralph Katz wrote: On 05/27/2014 11:13 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 27 May 2014 16:21:50 +0200 Diogene Laerce me_buss...@yahoo.fr napísal: Hi, Maybe I missed the thread : I wasn't there for a while but I would like to have your advice on that article : http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ From end of the article: UPDATE: Wikileaks is officially denying that Julian Assange literally said “Debian Is Owned By The NSA”. [...] Hahaha, I assent to the view of Tamer Higazi, join a conspiracy forum and start hunting bigfoot and shapeshifters. Sure, the NSA likely hacked some FLOSS code we are using, but the NSA unlikely has taken over absolute control. They likely have got absolute control over American computer companies like Apple and Microsoft, but they never ever have the same power for open source. Re: will debian issue a statement regarding Assange talk? https://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2014/04/msg5.html The important reply IMO is this one: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 09:39:58AM -0300, Andre Felipe Machado wrote: Will Debian Project issue a statement regarding Assange talk citing Debian ssl? People are asking about the subject on communities and even directly. Hi Andre, I'm not really sure what you mean by the project making a statement, or really feel that it's appropriate for us to do so. Assange was pointing out that the Open Source development methodology isn't immune to mistakes being made in software, but they do at least get spotted. I'm not sure that there's anything to respond to in that comment. Neil - https://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2014/04/msg3.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401204309.1274.38.camel@archlinux
Re: Assange and NSA
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 11:20 -0400, Ralph Katz wrote: On 05/27/2014 11:13 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 27 May 2014 16:21:50 +0200 Diogene Laerce me_buss...@yahoo.fr napísal: Hi, Maybe I missed the thread : I wasn't there for a while but I would like to have your advice on that article : http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ From end of the article: UPDATE: Wikileaks is officially denying that Julian Assange literally said “Debian Is Owned By The NSA”. [...] Hahaha, I assent to the view of Tamer Higazi, join a conspiracy forum and start hunting bigfoot and shapeshifters. Sure, the NSA likely hacked some FLOSS code we are using, but the NSA unlikely has taken over absolute control. They likely have got absolute control over American computer companies like Apple and Microsoft, but they never ever have the same power for open source. Re: will debian issue a statement regarding Assange talk? https://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2014/04/msg5.html The important reply IMO is this one: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 09:39:58AM -0300, Andre Felipe Machado wrote: Will Debian Project issue a statement regarding Assange talk citing Debian ssl? People are asking about the subject on communities and even directly. Hi Andre, I'm not really sure what you mean by the project making a statement, or really feel that it's appropriate for us to do so. Assange was pointing out that the Open Source development methodology isn't immune to mistakes being made in software, but they do at least get spotted. I'm not sure that there's anything to respond to in that comment. Neil - https://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2014/04/msg3.html If you wear a Second Chance vest, a bullet still could tread in between your eyes. If you illegally sell weapons, you shouldn't keep the accounts on a computer or even on paper. But take care, the shapeshifting aliens use sodium thiopental, even Thoughts are _not_ free. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401205309.1274.45.camel@archlinux
Re: Assange and NSA
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:54 +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote: Ok it seems that nobody is feeling really threaten by the NSA That's something completely different. In Germany we are aware that the NSA does absolutely control German Internet nodes. The German Internet is not German, it's American. Not the software you and I are using does cause the important issues, at least not in Germany. The German problem is, that we don't have our own Internet/ISPs/nodes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401206996.1274.54.camel@archlinux
Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.
On Sun, 2014-05-25 at 18:09 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I don't know how to tell. I could find no place to set the xfce window manager, and I didn't want to change something on the openbox settings and then restart X or Openbox, because I just have too many windows open and too much to do. If you know how to find out which window manager Xfce is using, please let me known It's xfwm. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401086983.4001.49.camel@archlinux
Re: repeatable dpkg-buildpackage
On Mon, 2014-05-26 at 18:58 +0400, Reco wrote: fakeroot ... regarding to some claims on this list is a PITA, at least when building a kernel. I run my scripts to build kernel-rts as root. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401116761.955.15.camel@archlinux
OT: GNOME-Terminal is blank or inactive in Awesome WM on Debian 7
On Mon, 2014-05-26 at 11:21 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 26 May 2014 09:55:14 +0100 Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: Another possibility is that it is working fine, but with black text. No, I'm not joking, I've seen this more than once. You could try typing the name of an application you know will run from the terminal. If that works, dig into the terminal profile settings and select the system colours (or deselect if this is already selected). When I suspect this (usually on web pages), I highlight the whole thing. Background-colored text then shows up. Or use a browser that is able to disable the page style ;). For Firefox/Iceweasel, assumed you enabled the menu bar, it's View Page Style No Style instead of Basic Page Style. To enable the menu bar for current versions of Firefox/Iceweasel right click somewhere at the top and check Menu Bar. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401118299.955.22.camel@archlinux
OT: repeatable dpkg-buildpackage
On Mon, 2014-05-26 at 12:40 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Mon, 2014-05-26 at 18:58 +0400, Reco wrote: fakeroot ... regarding to some claims on this list is a PITA, at least when building a kernel. I run my scripts to build kernel-rts as root. Why is it a PitA? Because you're philosophically opposed to it? Or because it has failed to build a kernel or created a bad kernel? Are you building a kernel or a kernel package? If you're building a kernel, you only root privs for the 'make modules_install and make install steps. If you're building a package using make deb-pkg, pass KBUILD_PKG_ROOTCMD=fakeroot for fakeroot to be used when needed. If you're building a package using dpkg-buildpackage, fakeroot is used when needed. You can also use KBUILD_PKG_ROOTCMD=sudo or dpkg-buildpackage -rsudo for sudo to be used rather than fakeroot but I've never tried either. I build kernel packages without fakeroot, since I'm running my scripts as root. I read several times on Debian user, that others tried to use fakeroot to build Debian packages, but it didn't work. IOW I never experienced issues with fakeroot, since it's irrelevant when building a kernel package as root. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401135748.955.25.camel@archlinux
Re: 'Authentication is required' while mounting drives in any Window Manager
On Mon, 2014-05-26 at 22:57 +0600, Muntasim Ul Haque wrote: I tried several Window Manager and all of them have the same problem: while mounting any drive, they show an error saying 'authentication is required. Failed to mount drive.' Now what's the solution? While mounting in any Desktop Environment, they ask for password and after providing password they just mount the drive. But this isn't the case for WM. What WM and what file manager did you use to mount the devices? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401136389.955.28.camel@archlinux
Re: Iceweasel and DRM
On Fri, 2014-05-23 at 17:33 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Please continue on d-community-offtopic. True, but I have to clarify something, see below. On 5/23/14, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Sun, 18 May 2014 22:31:18 -0400 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: ... Copyright violations are rampant on the web. Thank you for refraining from calling that piracy. OK, since you insist, I'll call it what it is - piracy. I didn't think you were _such_ a contrarian. Proved me wrong. I'm not. What you describe is piracy. You're also firmly aligned with copyright industry rhetoric. Oh well, I seriously thought you were above that... Unlike you, I am not above the law. And I have created intellectual property in the past which is copyrighted (unlike you, obviously). And I protect my copyrights. Don't bother arguing with these idiots Jerry. I'll bet you dollars to donuts they never took the time to write, edit, format, produce, and market a 100K word book to help them feed their children. They probably have salary jobs, and if they get laid off, they get unemployment. Here's the thing Jerry: With all their yelling, I never once heard any of these 150 decibel anti-DRM clowns promise not to give or sell a copy of an author's work to someone else. I'm not talking about right of first sale, which I assume they know nothing about, I'm talking about buying (or grabbing from a torrent) a copy of somebody's work, keeping it, but making copies of it and giving the copies to others. After all, according to them, once they bought it, they can do anything they want with it, right? It's not their problem that Article 1, section 8, paragraph 8 of the US Constitution provides authors and inventors a limited time exclusive right to the author's or inventor's writings and discoveries. It's not their problem that copyright was a part of English law long before the US constitution was written. It's not their problem that copyright is part of the Berne convention, accepted and enforced by most modern nations. It's not these clowns' problem if someone spent between 3 and 18 months writing a book, in hope of feeding their children. It's not their problem if the author must compete with cheap or zero cost exact copies of the work he spent so long making, because the clowns are distributing copies like the autumn leaves. It's not their problem if the author's children don't eat. The clowns got theirs. It's kind of ironic, isn't it? If they don't like DRM (and who does?), they should blame those who unauthorizedly distribute (or possess unauthorized distributions). DRM was made to prevent these activities, due to high number of freeloaders wanting authors to write for free. If they don't like DMCA (and who does?), blame the unauthorized distributors. If they don't like the obscene life+70 copyright periods of many nations including the US, blame the unauthorized distributors, who ceded the moral high ground to Disney and Sonny Bono and that crowd by snatching money right out of authors' pocketbooks. Jerry, if the clowns who have been arguing with you had a single testicle between them, they'd do with Stallman does: Simply promise never to buy, procure, nor distribute, nonfree content. Stallman *never* makes unauthorized copies of nonfree content. But that's not their style: they whine about buying a book and then not being able to give copies to others: or at least they never forswore making copies and distributing to others. The sad thing is, Jerry, although I hate the fact that the US law provides for a judgment of $150K *per unauthorizedly obtained work* against those who unauthorizedly copy, or receive such copies, the arrogant disregard of stealing other peoples' opportunity to make money, and their pride in not knowing the law, make me hope it happens to them. They're clowns Jerry: ignore them. SteveT Steve Litt Author: Troubleshooting: Tools, Tips and Techniques Author: Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist Author: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting Author: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business Author: Rapid Learning For the 21st Century Author: Thriving in Tough Times Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence Author: Rules of the Happiness Highway All but the first two written and produced using Free Software Being against DRM isn't clownery :(. I made a living from artwork many times in my live, without the need of idiotic copy protections. If the people who like your work don't like to pay you, consider for what people you're making your work. Is the target group for your work that anti-social or your work not worth to spend money for it? Consider to make better work for a better target group, then you don't need copy protection anymore. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to
Re: Iceweasel and DRM
On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 13:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Being against DRM isn't clownery :(. I made a living from artwork many times in my live, without the need of idiotic copy protections. If the people who like your work don't like to pay you, consider for what people you're making your work. Is the target group for your work that anti-social or your work not worth to spend money for it? Consider to make better work for a better target group, then you don't need copy protection anymore. PS: A pirate copy, shared cracked software could be good promotion. If somebody really don't has got the money to pay you, why not sharing the work for free? Others who have the money, get aware by pirate copies, shared cracked software of your good work, use/test it and then pay for for a legal version, or they at least buy other work from you, if they have got the money. Again, it belongs to the target group. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1400933271.848.14.camel@archlinux
Re: Iceweasel and DRM
On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 14:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 13:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Being against DRM isn't clownery :(. I made a living from artwork many times in my live, without the need of idiotic copy protections. If the people who like your work don't like to pay you, consider for what people you're making your work. Is the target group for your work that anti-social or your work not worth to spend money for it? Consider to make better work for a better target group, then you don't need copy protection anymore. PS: A pirate copy, shared cracked software could be good promotion. If somebody really don't has got the money to pay you, why not sharing the work for free? Others who have the money, get aware by pirate copies, shared cracked software of your good work, use/test it and then pay for for a legal version, or they at least buy other work from you, if they have got the money. Again, it belongs to the target group. PPS: I reflected my opinion. We should find a perfect copy protection, get rid of money and than start barter trade. I made barter trade without money relatively often in my life. I bet a lot of people with intellectual work that is perfectly protected, that can't be copied, wont find somebody willing to trade off bread and butter for this intellectual work. A lot of people only can survive, get too much money for their piss, because they made the rules. We've got money and unfortunately some intellectual work is more pricey than something e.g. to eat, while both should have got the same price (I don't claim that intellectual work is less important). Let's get rid of money and start barter trade, this is also a good way to support good intellectual work and to get rid of all the intellectual piss. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1400935744.18487.12.camel@archlinux
Re: Iceweasel and DRM
On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 08:55 -0400, Jeff Bauer wrote: lulz intellectual piss Try a different translator, Ralf. I guess the context is good enough to understand, that I tried to say intellectual work that is not more helpful than a bottle of piss would be, when you want to barter this intellectual work (or piss) for a bread. There are uncountable illegal copies of Madonna's noise pollution, she still owns too much money, while other people die of hunger. I guess if there wouldn't be a lobby making rules, for how pricey useless shit should be, she would die of hunger, while a lot of people who die of hunger nowadays, could barter what they are able to provide, it at least might be enough to survive. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1400937529.1.11.camel@archlinux
