Re: Netscape 4.72
Hmmm I just grabed the tar ball from netscape ... and (amazingly) it worked without a hitch. (my system is a slink with vincent's upgrades)
Re: Is it possible to backup Slink using Netware?
If what you mean is it possible to back up a machine running slink to a machine running netware 4.11 it should be possible... that being said I've never done it... but hey ;) I have however set up a slink machine to show up on a netware network as a bindery(netware 3.x) server. See the IPX how to for info on how to do it. Once you have that out of the way, you'll need back up software on running on you netware server... I use arcserve and it is capable of running backups over a network. Or, if you wanted to be budget about it thoughyou could just have a cron job copy the files you were interested in over to the netware sever every couple of hours... R.
Re: MozM14 install Netscape bookmarks (newbie q)
I haven't gotten M14 to work on my box either, the main problem you'll run into if you're running slink is that M14 need a newer version of some of the libc files... so with out upgrading those I'm not sure it can be made to run... (though I'd love to have someone contradict me) I can help you with the pon prob though... as root edit the file /etc/group and add your "regular" user to the line that starts "dip:" Hope that helps... R.
Re: Boot Linux with LILO
one word of caution... make sure you install lilo to /dev/hda not /dev/hda1 hda refers to the MBR, and hda1 refers to the PBR (partition boot record) which is where windows keeps it's loader. If you install to hda1... windows will die a tragic silent death... R.
Re: bad modem?
I remember seeing this sort of problem before... I'm sorry I don't remember the specifics, but the solution was to upgrade the ppp software. Chris R. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/00 05:45PM I recently got a modem for my Linux server, and it seem to have some problems. When I first connect it seems to work okay, but after a varying amount of time (5-15 min) I see the following log messages: Jan 30 18:21:21 server pppd[255]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x1 magic=0x8e98729b] Jan 30 18:21:23 server pppd[255]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x1 magic=0x1742385f] . . Jan 30 18:33:21 server pppd[255]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x19 magic=0x8e98729b] Jan 30 18:33:23 server pppd[255]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x19 magic=0x1742385f] Jan 30 18:33:51 server pppd[255]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x1a magic=0x8e98729b] Jan 30 18:34:21 server pppd[255]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x1b magic=0x8e98729b] Jan 30 18:34:21 server pppd[255]: rcvd [LCP EchoReq id=0x1b magic=0x8e98729b] Jan 30 18:34:21 server pppd[255]: sent [LCP EchoRep id=0x1b magic=0x8e98729b] Jan 30 18:34:21 server pppd[255]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x1b magic=0x8e98729b] Jan 30 18:34:21 server pppd[255]: appear to have received our own echo-reply! During this time it seems ppp/file transfers work fine, and then suddenly stop. If I poff and then pon, it seems to work fine again for a little while. Does anyone have any ideas about what I can do about this? Thanks, Chris -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Debian SAMBA
Samba is part of slink (the current denian distro) You can choose it durring the instal, and setup is noproblem. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/27/00 04:38PM I am going to set up a debian linux box and I want to run the samba server. Obviously I have not done it yet, thus the question. I have searched in vain, via Samba.org, for Debian specific builds of Samba. I think this simply tells me that I have to build my own distribution from source code once I have Debian Linux up and running. If anyone knows where I can find documentation that will get me through this process, OR IF I AM COMPLETELY OUT IN LEFT FIELD in what I am planning to do, any pearls of wisdom you may have will be greatly appreciated. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: xfree
As far as I know, they shipped slink r3 so if your video card is not supported in the standard slink distro, you might consider visiting http://www.debian.org/~vincent/ for info on how to get a more up to date version of X. R. James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/26/00 10:37AM Hello: I just want to know (before I start the configuration program) whether the xfree86 version that shipped with the Debian release funded by SGI, VA linux, et al. included support for the Nvidia TNT2 Ultra chipset. Does anyone know? Thanks, James -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Netscape questions
These symptoms are typical Netscape behavior. almost everyone coplains of this sort of thing, yet no one I know has a definitive answer on how to fix them. I've heard alternately that both upgrading and installing older versions of glibc helps also trying differnt versions of netscape is not a bad idea, somepeople have fewer problems with v4.05, personally I use 3.04 for most everything and only switch to 4.x when I must have advanced features. any way... to sum it all up... Netscape 4.x is a peice of poop, but it's all we have for now... paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/26/00 11:25AM Netscape has some odd behaviors which I was wondering if anyone here could shed some light upon. 1) whenever I launch netscape, top shows that netscape spawns itself as child process either one or two times. Why does this happen? Is this normal behavior for Netscape? If so, then why is the number of child Netscapes not always the same? 2) Whenever Netscape launches more than one child netscape, it hangs (for varying amounts of time) before the browser becomes visible on my display. Sometimes it never appears, and my xserver (XF86_SVGA) begins to eat up processor time. Why is this. What is happening here? No other processes seem to be affected. (at least as is apparent from output of top.) 3) Often sites with banner adds will cause Netscape to hang if java and/or javascript is enabled. I do not keep them enabled, but some sites require them for various reasons. Other times this has caused Netscape to dissapear from my display, (crash?) but Netscape continues to run in the backround and begins to eat up processes and memory. Once this happened and a mysterious symbolic link appeared in the home directory I was using before I could shut down Netscape. (this happened somewhere in the domain http://www.playboy.com) Are there hostile Java applets? Javascripts? How can I continue to use Netscape while minimizing security risks? (If there are security risks associated with Netscape 4.7) Thanks in advance for any response to this oh-so-lame post. If it is any help, I am running Slink (Debian 2.1r5) on a home system connected to the internet through a dialup connection. Kernel version is 2.0.36. -ptw- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: downloading
There are two ways (at least) to do this, if you have a fast connection 1 megabit orfaster, you can just download the base floppies, and install those, they will launch a program called apt-get which will grab and configure the files you need. alternate ly, if if you are on a slower connection, but have access to a faster connection and a cd burrner you can make Debian CDs (though I've never made that work...) alternately... you could buy a CD, they're cheap and usualy error free. I just got the Debian/O'reily/SGI box it was $19 and came with a cool O'reily book which would be really helpfull especialy if you're just starting out. R. Gavin Schuette [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/24/00 03:33PM I want to download the debian operating system for a pentium processor, what should I do? I have tried the ftp site from my netscape browser and cliked on slink and it downloads a list of files only? Where is the link I clik to download the operating system itself? I would love to put it on my home computer. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Handheld computers - what is available?
There is a lot of work being done in this area, but at this time I don't know of any finished systems. Check out http://www.linuxce.org/ for more info. For the project you have in mind though, I think a symbol scanner might be the best bet. basicaly is a palm III with a built in barcode reader, It comes with all the APIs so you could write an interface that would run under linux. R. Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk 01/11/00 06:11AM I have a customer who runs a van distribution system. He wants his drivers to use handheld computers or barcode readers when they visit shops, to pick up the list of items needing to be replenished. He then wants to print a delivery note on the spot for the customer and transmit the details by modem, for the main office to print and despatch the invoice and update the central database. What Linux-capable handhelds are available that would be suitable for this job? -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise. Be thankful unto him, and bless his name. Psalms 100:4 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Can't type in X
I reconfigured my mouse using xf86config(XF86Setup won't work with the SiS530) and still no change. I thought for a while it might be my font server, but all the screen fonts show up fine. I was able to produec a single 9 by banging on the keyboard, but was unable to repeat it even with much more keyboard banging... Could I have a broken version of XKBD? is there a way to have apt or dselect install an older viersion? Thanks a bunch! R. Armin Wegner [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/07/99 05:43AM On Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 09:13:19AM -0700, Raphael Clancy wrote: Here's my sad story. To start, I have the worst video card ever... It's based on SiS 530 chipset. It's built on to the mother board oad uses 8 megs of system memory for graphics, of course it uses the first 8 megs, so any calls to memory have to be routed around the graphics, which is slooow. SiS is pretty cool, (even if they license their chips to hacks) They provide a version of XF86_SVGA which supports the 530, which just drops into the /usr/X11R6/bin/ directory and works fine. The problem is that it requires xfree86 3.3.5. I'm running slink which comes with 3.3.2(?), so I head off to http://www.xfree.org and grab the latest binaries and install them which goes pretty smoothly, after I find that I need to install the regframe lib. Then I drop in the SiS version of XF86_SVGA run the config and everything works great... Anyway here is the problem. A couple of days ago reading a post here I saw that xf86 3.3.5 was availible from Vincet's slink-update area so not being the smartest monkey, I decide that it would be great if my packages actually reflected my system. so I added the site to my list did an apt-get dist-upgrade. and it pulled down the files, installed and everything seemed to go ok I dropped in the SiS version of XF86_SVGA and as it was mighty late I went to sleep, however, when I restarted my system, it hung while loading the x font server (xfs). Using a rescue disk I was able to get into the system and remove the xfs entry from rc2.d . then I used apt-get to install the truetype sever (xftts). I rebooted, and it went just fine everything loaded, and wdm poped up, however, I was unable to type anything into the login box. in fact, my whole keyboard was dead with the caps-lock and numlock keys disabled (ie I could not make the LEDs turn on...) So that's where I sit... I can telnet to the machine, and all the gui functions work but I can't type. Suggestions? Check your mouse configuration. If you have told X that there is a mouse, but there isn't or it's another one, you are not able to type in anything. This normally happens when you forget to plug in your mouse after you done anything with your hardware. Armin
Re: XWindow werdeiness
I had a similar problem with font corruption/dissapearance. A quick trip to the SiS website (www.sis.com.tw) got me their version of XF86_SVGA which displays fonts beautifully but may not play well with the debian distro of xfree86 3.3.5 (see my previous mailcan't type in X) R. Tobias Rundström [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/07/99 05:47AM Hi all, I installed potato in a machine with SiS 6326 and configured X but there is some problem with fonts pehaps. See a screenshot of the problem at: http://onnet.psi.br/~baptista/test.gif. Thanks for any help,Paulo Henrique You can change the default colordepth to 24bits that will help awhile, but then you get sloppy and slow window-mangement, I have this problem too. Anyone a clue? -- -- Tobias Rundström [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.tobi.nu -- Antingen lever man eller så är man död. Lever man så är väl livet i sig inget större problem. Är man död är det inte så mycket att göra åt saken. --Annika -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Can't type in X
Here's my sad story. To start, I have the worst video card ever... It's based on SiS 530 chipset. It's built on to the mother board oad uses 8 megs of system memory for graphics, of course it uses the first 8 megs, so any calls to memory have to be routed around the graphics, which is slooow. SiS is pretty cool, (even if they license their chips to hacks) They provide a version of XF86_SVGA which supports the 530, which just drops into the /usr/X11R6/bin/ directory and works fine. The problem is that it requires xfree86 3.3.5. I'm running slink which comes with 3.3.2(?), so I head off to http://www.xfree.org and grab the latest binaries and install them which goes pretty smoothly, after I find that I need to install the regframe lib. Then I drop in the SiS version of XF86_SVGA run the config and everything works great... Anyway here is the problem. A couple of days ago reading a post here I saw that xf86 3.3.5 was availible from Vincet's slink-update area so not being the smartest monkey, I decide that it would be great if my packages actually reflected my system. so I added the site to my list did an apt-get dist-upgrade. and it pulled down the files, installed and everything seemed to go ok I dropped in the SiS version of XF86_SVGA and as it was mighty late I went to sleep, however, when I restarted my system, it hung while loading the x font server (xfs). Using a rescue disk I was able to get into the system and remove the xfs entry from rc2.d . then I used apt-get to install the truetype sever (xftts). I rebooted, and it went just fine everything loaded, and wdm poped up, however, I was unable to type anything into the login box. in fact, my whole keyboard was dead with the caps-lock and numlock keys disabled (ie I could not make the LEDs turn on...) So that's where I sit... I can telnet to the machine, and all the gui functions work but I can't type. Suggestions? Thanks :) R.
Re: ppp hangups...
Could be noise on the phone line, though there's not too much to be done about it. If stability is your main concern you could connect at a lower speed (YUK!). Or if it's really bad, (ie you can hear noise when talking on the phone) you can call your phone company. I'd recommend against that option though... If your phone company is anything like ours, not only will they charge you for the visit, any line which can support a 2400bps conection is considered good, so they are more than likley going to tell you that the line is fine (Yay USWorst!) R. Jonathan Lupa [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/02/99 09:51PM I've been getting dropped from my ISP unexpectedly from time to time and I'm not sure how to go about debugging it. There is nothing unusual in syslog or messages, but I noticed this in ppp.log. (kernel 2.2.12 pppd 2.3p5). Any debugging tips would be greatly appreciated! Dec 2 23:38:08 Sith pppd[22741]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0xbf magic=0xd4cbdb59] Dec 2 23:38:38 Sith pppd[22741]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0xc0 magic=0xd4cbdb59] Dec 2 23:39:08 Sith pppd[22741]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0xc1 magic=0xd4cbdb59] Dec 2 23:39:38 Sith pppd[22741]: No response to 4 echo-requests Dec 2 23:39:38 Sith pppd[22741]: Serial link appears to be disconnected. Dec 2 23:39:38 Sith pppd[22741]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 Peer not responding Dec 2 23:39:40 Sith pppd[22741]: Hangup (SIGHUP) Dec 2 23:39:40 Sith pppd[22741]: Modem hangup Dec 2 23:39:40 Sith pppd[22741]: Connection terminated. Dec 2 23:39:41 Sith pppd[22741]: Exit. Is it just because things are hairy on the ISP end? As soon as I dial back in, everything works fine again (and there is no apparent time interval for which this happens). I know about the lcp-echo options and will play around with them, but I'm hoping someone can tell me whats going on behind the curtain here. Thanks All! -Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG public key available from http://www.jamdata.net/~jjlupa/gpg.asc
How to block access from specific sites.
Is there a quick way (on a debian 2.0 system) to block specific adresses from making inetd style connections (ie. ftp, telnet etc?) my instincts tell me that is has to do with the /etc/hosts.deny file. unfortunately I can't find any info on it in the man pages, of course, some of mine may be missing (gotta love getting other people's boxes). Thanks R.
Re: Modem does not work
Owch... looks like you have a win-modem. In order to save on hardware costs a lot of modem manufacturers off load the data compression onto the cpu rather than including special hardware for the tasks. the problem is that this sort of software only runs under windows. (AFAIK) In order to spot a modem which will work with Linux, look for on that claims to support DOS. Usally, these will be ISA if internal, or just about any external modem will work. R. Pedro Quaresma de Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/02/99 03:04AM Hi I have bought (two day ago) a modem, it says (in the windows software) that it is a Motorols SM56 PCI, Speakerphone Modem and it is on COM4. I already managed to put it working under MicroMole (MicroDull (soft!?) in portuguese), but in Linux... I already try to use minicom, pon, seyon, kppp, ... but no luck :( The /proc/pci says PCI devices found: Bus 0, device 0, function 0: Host bridge: Intel 440BX - 82443BX Host (rev 3). Medium devsel. Master Capable. Latency=64. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe000 [0xe008]. ... Bus 0, device 7, function 3: Bridge: Intel 82371AB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 2). Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Bus 0, device 8, function 0: Communication controller: Motorola Unknown device (rev 0). Vendor id=1057. Device id=5600. Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=1.Max Lat=255. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe900 [0xe908]. ... Bus 1, device 0, function 0: VGA compatible controller: Matrox Matrox G200 AGP (rev 1). Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=16.Max Lat=32. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe800 [0xe808]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe400 [0xe400]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe500 [0xe500]. Its seems that it does not recognise de modem Motorola Unknown device and that it shares the same irq with the graphics card IRQ11. Can you help me? Thanks. At\'e breve Pedro Quaresma de Almeida Departamento de Matem\'atica, Faculdade de Ci\^encias e Tecnologia Universidade de Coimbra P-3000 COIMBRA, PORTUGAL e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] url: http://www.mat.uc.pt/~pedro/ phone: 351 39 791170 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Modem Setup
Sounds like a winmodem :( but it might not be, 28.8 winmodems were kinda rare, if you go into win95 and get the results of the ATI comands from the modem control pannel I could tell you for sure. R. Sledge, Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/02/99 06:58AM Can someone provide a little help to a novice Linux User? I have installed the Caldera OpenLinux 1.3 on a Pentium 120, 80MB RAM, 2GB machine. The computer is an IBM Aptiva with an integrated sound/modem/fax/voice card. (Don't give me that funny look, my brother gave it to me.) I have Windows 95 installed on it also. I would like to get my internet service running. I have tried to install the modem in Linux without success. The modem is a 28K baud. Windows tells me that the modem is installed on COM 1. Whenever I setup Linux with the necessary parameters (/ttys0, Xon/Xoff, etc.) Linux tells me that the modem is busy. BTW: The modem works fine in Windows. Is it possible that I have the dreaded WinModem?!? How can I find out? Is a driver available to use a WinModem? Why is the cold water faucet always on the right? I would appreciate any help that you could give me. Thanks, Dennis Sledge Designer SAFT America Sledge, Dennis.vcf
Making CDs with rsync.
I just made a set of slink CDs using the pseudo-image / rsync method (details at http://panic.et.tudelft.nl/~costar/pseudo-image-kit/ ) on examining the CDs under windows I find a large number of 0kb files. Did I screw up? I didn't check the md5sums (I know it's dumb), is the rsync method unrelaiable? or are these 0kb files windows' way of screwing up file links? Thanks for any help. R.
Re: (OT) Correcting VFAT problems from Linux
I had the same problem with those same drives, I was going to try lowlevel
formating, but the vendor who sold me the systems recomended replacing the
dirves as they were in warrenty, so I never had the chance to try it out.
Anyway, my advice would be replace that drive if you can ('cause they're no
good) and if you can't contact samsung for a lowlevel format utility
R.
Guilherme Soares Zahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/99 10:44AM
Hi there,
I think this is 1/2 OT, but as I could think of nowhere else to
ask... ;-)
I needed some tool to diagnose a VFAT (FAT32) partition from inside
Linux... The reason why I want to do so is that all the tools I've tried
to use from inside DOS/WIN refuse to run properly (it seems there's some
rather serious problem with my 4.3Gb Samsung UDMA2 IDE HD, and as far as
I can tell it seems to 'freeze' when trying to read some sector - at
least from DOS/WIN - generating 'stack overflow' messages)...
Anyway, I sort of thought (wondered? hoped? dreamed?) that maybe if
the diagnostic tool was running from Linux it might be possible to
overcome this problem (maybe just a slight difference on the way Linux
accesses the HD, or some fine-tuning on hwclock's settings, could do the
trick)...
TIA,
Guilherme Zahn
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Fwd: Re: killing ALL of a user's processes at once
How about slay. The package discription advertises that it kills all of a users processes. I've never tried it though... really... ;) R. Raphael Clancy LAN Admin. Dept. of OBGYN 505.272.6374 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---BeginMessage--- kill `ps axu|grep '^USER\'|sed -e 's/[^0-9]*\([0-9]*\).*/\1/'` at least, that's what *i* would do. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null ---End Message---
Re: [potato] gdm doesn't start windowmanager
I had the same problem, and I found that there were a couple of things that could be behind it first it could be a bad xsession file, or it could be an issue with the window manager, either it's not correctly installed, or the /etc/X11/window-managers file is trying to start a windowmanager that doesn't exist (probably twm) R. Nico De Ranter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/04/99 03:14AM Howdy, I don't know whether this is the correct mailinglist to post this but anyway... I upgraded my Debian box to unstable and installed gdm. Unfortunately when I try to login the screen flickers a few times and the gdm screen pops back. When I start X by typing startx from a text console everything works fine. I noticed this problem on a few PC's that have been upgraded to potato so I think it's a bug and not a misconfiguration. I now potato is called unstable for something but I hope somebody has a workaround or fix for this. Thanks in advance, Nico -- How do you tell when you run out of invisible ink? Nico De Ranter Sony Service Center (SUPC-E/NSSE) Sint Stevens Woluwestraat 55 (Rue de Woluwe-Saint-Etienne) 1130 Brussel (Bruxelles), Belgium, Europe, Earth Telephone: +32 2 724 86 41 Telefax: +32 2 726 26 86 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Linux freezing up
hmm sounds familliar, I had a very similar system, which would lock up completly while using netscape (version 4.08-4.6). I found that upgrading gnome from 1.0 to 1.06 fixed the problem. There are instructions on the gnome website on how to add them to your sources list, then you can use apt to get the newest version. Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03 1:14 AM Wim Kerkhoff wrote: I have on several occasions experienced a lockup of my system. For no apparent reason, it will freeze up. It will not respond to any keyboard control: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't kill X, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-z, Ctrl-Alt-Del don't do anything. Caps lock, etc don't toggle the keyboard lights either. What did find kind of strange, though, it was still connected to my ISP via modem, and masquarading for the rest of the network. I could ping it from a win95 box, and 'see' the Internet through it. I couldn't telnet/ftp into it though, only ping and masq. I had an uptime of 12 days when this happened. It has done it before. Where would the problem lie? Hardware? Kernel? I'm running: -Kernel 2.2.10 -Potato -AMD K6-350 on an A-trend Motherboard I've had similar problems that weren't limited to potato or 2.2.10, they happened when I ran slink and a 2.0.36 kernel too. I also had a similar setup as you: amd-k62 250, kernel 2.2.10, and an epox mobo. My system would lock up hard, I couldn't even ping the net from my windows box. I can't count how many times I gave the old three finger salute to my system. I thought it was netscape that gave me all the problems, and it did seem to be a common denominator. I tried different windowmanagers too with the same results. Last week I through in the towel and dropped my 333 MHz celeron into my box and I've had almost no problems (today it crapped out for some reason). I'm running a libc5 version of netscape and I'm using Enlightenment and gnome for X. So, I guess I'm trying to say is that you're not alone :) -- __ _ Mark Wagnon Debian GNU/ -o) / / (_)__ __ __ Chula Vista, CA /\\/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ http://www.debian.org -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
