'Virtual Private Servers' - Advice, recollections and recommendations requested
Thru no fault of my own, I've been given a possible budget for a server - this is for a small decentralized non-profit that is still paper driven, and has been for decades. Over the years, each branch has kind of grown it's own record keeping system, and currently some are using OpenOffice, Lotus, and early Excel (and I mean early, it was complete on a Mac by 1997 and it's not trivial). Most still hand-fill the forms. However, everyone wants to use broadband and eventually each center will convert to an OpenOffice based system (Windows mostly), so I need pointers. I've done some research, and as a first cut I'm looking at renting cycles which give me a debian box out there somewhere that I have root access to -- initially running a mail server with maybe 50 - 100 mailboxes, some kind of messaging server - jabber or it's ilk, and some kind of joint file storage, probably an ftp variant. This will mimic most of the our current usage. We'll probably leave our web site on another host for the foreseeable future to keep the traffic down on this server. So here are the first few questions. Direct answers, pointers to relevant FM's and better questions welcome: 1. Reputable providers: Who do you use that you would recommend? UML seems acceptable, since our load will be almost minuscule to begin with. At least one static ip is a must. 2. How do I get a grip on potential traffic volume? I'm sure there's a formula out there somewhere that I can plug some numbers into that will give me an approximation. This really is a shoe-string non-profit and I don't want to buy more than we really need, but if I find good deal I want to be reasonably comfortable I won't run into surcharges for excess traffic later on. 3. Instant messaging: I don't use it, have never investigated it, and know nothing. I will investigate, but a few signposts would be welcome. Any and all comments appreciated! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 'Virtual Private Servers' - Advice, recollections and recommendations requested
On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 16:45 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 01:17:35PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: I just recently obtained a VPS from Tektonic http://www.tektonic.net Me, too. and they have been great. My first night I flubbed and messed up the VPS twice. They were helpful and prompt on answering my trouble tickets. Seconded. They've been very helpful. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com Thanks for the recommendations. 50GB monthly seems generous, then. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: names good for marketing
On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 01:07 -0500, William Ballard wrote: On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 09:33:52PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: Maybe only a handful for sure, but they do cast a wide pall. So you don't disagree that nowadays most people aren't racists in the south, which was the original point. Yes. Some of my friends have mentioned they see more overt and subtle racism outside the south than inside nowadays. A couple people will complain about ubuntu being an African name but most won't. They will complain, the various media will pick up on it, it becomes an 'issue' and marketing departments don't normally like issues. Therefore, in the US (Yes, US-centric because this thread started out there) no broad-based products (yet) with African names. WTF is a wide pall? Is that code word for let's just focus on them and ignore everybody else ? The definition I was using: WordNet (r) 2.0 pall n 1: a sudden numbing dread syn: chill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some questions from new debian user
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 00:16 +0300, Serge Matveev wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:46:53 + (GMT) Thomas Adam wrote: TA --- Serge Matveev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - How I can setup font lookup order in X. If I have two fonts with the same alias (9x16 by example) - one with western symbols and other - with cyrrilic, how I can set cyriilic alias to be main? TA The order that the fonts are searched in is dependant on the order that TA the font lines are listed in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 -- change them around. Hm, but I have XF86Config-4 maged by debconf :-( You've stumbled upon upon an edge case for debian's configuration system. Or, hopefully, it's not such an edge case and the cyrillic desktop or environment will fit your needs. But, fundamentally, debconf will only get you most of the way to what you need personally. (It's not intended to get you all the way, the maintainers have a little more humility than that :) Your own hand crafted configurations to match your needs and hardware that the debconf system pretty much leaves alone is not only debian's strength (IMHO) but it's where you will inevitably end up if you stay with debian for long. So if you are an edge case start now, move the Font lines around in XF86Config-4 and get what you want. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Ubuntu.org
On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 01:53 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-02 at 23:15 -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-02 at 20:30 -0600, Kent West wrote: Tom Allison wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: On Monday 27 December 2004 02:56 pm, Kent West wrote: [snip] [unsnipped] (and I do hope this quotes properly) And then there's all those rap musicians going around saying Word. They have no idea what (who) they're advertising Rap is not congruent with stupidity :) No, but the correlation is high. Poets aren't always stupid, but they do fall within Sturgeon's Law: 80% of everything is [crap]. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: names good for marketing
On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 00:04 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sunday 02 January 2005 11:34 pm, Rich Rudnick wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-02 at 21:15 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Alvin Smith writes: To put it bluntly, the issue is whether white people will accept a product with a Black African sounding name or not. What a loony notion. I'm a long time blue state lefty who spends most of his time with white folks. If you really live in a place where Alvin's point is moot, point me at a reputable Realtor. I would, but I require proof of Oregon residency. Oregon is full, we need people to move out. How about an expired Oregon Driver's License? I've moved up and down the coast over the years. By the way, experience tells me that the Willamette Valley fails the 'sounding' test. Got a good coastal town that's not anti-owl? :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: names good for marketing
On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 00:47 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Monday 03 January 2005 12:15 am, Rich Rudnick wrote: How about an expired Oregon Driver's License? I've moved up and down the coast over the years. By the way, experience tells me that the Willamette Valley fails the 'sounding' test. Got a good coastal town that's not anti-owl? :) If you have to ask, you're obviously not in tune enough with Oregon to live here. Portland ranks among the top three cities I've lived in for smiles from strangers, but if being 'in tune enough' is a now a requirement for residency it's sadly slipped over the last 10 years. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Ubuntu.org
On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 05:36 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 12:48:11AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Monday 03 January 2005 12:03 am, Rich Rudnick wrote: Poets aren't always stupid, but they do fall within Sturgeon's Law: 80% of everything is [crap]. Including your recollection of Sturgeon's Law. It's 90%. 8:o) And yours. Sturgeon actually said that 90% of everything is crud. (I have this from Damon Knight, who was in the room when he said it.) -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com Appropriate signature, and mea culpa. ; Since Sturgeon's law does apply to everything, that must mean that 80^W90 percent of my recollections is crap^H^Hud too. My only defense for not catching that particular piece of crud is that I was still celebrating Seattle's new banner! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: names good for marketing
On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 09:46 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Monday 03 January 2005 08:48 am, Rich Rudnick wrote: Portland ranks among the top three cities I've lived in for smiles from strangers, but if being 'in tune enough' is a now a requirement for residency it's sadly slipped over the last 10 years. What are you talking about? Portland is a city that named *everything* after Governor Tom McCall, who is most famous for saying, Welcome to Oregon! Enjoy your visit, but please, remember to leave when you're done. Hmm, I thought he was most notable for the state-wide Urban Growth Boundaries (a good thing) and for all the out of state businesses he convinced to relocate to Oregon, the beginnings of the 'Californication' so many Oregonians were protesting with tacky bumper stickers when I lived there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: names good for marketing
On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 21:18 +, Sue Spence wrote: William Ballard wrote: You need to broaden your horizons. Besides, I didn't say it's hard to be racist if you live in a mostly-white area: I said it's easy not to be. I was born in and frequently spend time in a major American city which has a white population of ~30%. About 60% are African-American. My father grew up there, and my sister still lives there. I can't say that we have ever found the race thing to be much of a problem. No, I don't want you to tell me why you have such difficulty living near people of other races cultures. It's really obvious. Then you must know some true racists if you still have a wide acquaintanceship in that town. Maybe only a handful for sure, but they do cast a wide pall. I would think that if the US switched to a parliamentary system, we'd have our very own Front National. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Ubuntu.org
On Sun, 2005-01-02 at 20:30 -0600, Kent West wrote: Tom Allison wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: On Monday 27 December 2004 02:56 pm, Kent West wrote: William Ballard wrote: One must pick boring names, like Word :-) John 1:1 Yep; that one should be free of controversy. Hah! No kidding. For those who do not have a Bible, the verse cited reads, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. I think you need to rephrase that to Word(tm) to avoid prosecution. And then there's all those rap musicians going around saying Word. They have no idea what (who) they're advertising Rap is not congruent with stupidity :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: names good for marketing
On Sun, 2005-01-02 at 21:15 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Alvin Smith writes: To put it bluntly, the issue is whether white people will accept a product with a Black African sounding name or not. What a loony notion. I'm a long time blue state lefty who spends most of his time with white folks. If you really live in a place where Alvin's point is moot, point me at a reputable Realtor. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OOo Printer Setup Frustration - Elaboration
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 13:45 -0500, Thomas H. George wrote: On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 11:17:58AM +, Chris Halls wrote: On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 18:59 -0500, Thomas H. George wrote: The other box does not find its attached printer and insists on using a generic printer which only spits out dozens of blank pages. If, instead, I comment out export SAL_DISABLE_CUPS=1 openoffice finds the attached printer but it is not possible to set the paper size and nothing prints. I'm afraid the version in testing still has several problems. If you can manage it, try upgrading to the version I just uploaded to unstable, which fixes many printing bugs. It'll be a while until this gets into testing since we have to wait for dependencies with the KDE integration. Chris Thanks Chris, I'll try to get the unstable version. In the meantime I have researched the problem a little more. The printer in question is an HP 940C attached to Box #1. Printing from OpenOffice works on Box #2 and the driver CUPS is using is HP-DeskJet_930C Foomatic/hpijs. Using locate the file HP-DeskJet_940C-hpijs.ppd.gz is found on both boxes in /usr/share/ppd/HP. If oopadmin is started on Box #1 the add printer option apparently looks in the /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/printer directory - at least the only choices it offers are found in that directory and DeskJet drivers are not among these choices. oopadmin add printer has a browse option which can be used to switch to the /usr/share/ppd/HP directory where HP-DeskJet_940C-hpijs.ppd.gz is located. oopadmin believes that directory is empty. It's been a while since I used oopadmin (to add a 940C, as an aside) but if my memory serves me correctly oopadmin will not show any files in the directory you browsed to. Hit OK (or the equivalent) anyway, restart oopadmin, and the HP940C should be in the list of printers you can select from, along with all the others in that directory. Again, at least that's the way I remember it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I don't want games!!!
On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 16:24 -0500, William Ballard wrote: On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 03:05:56PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 14:12 -0500, Xinjiang Lu wrote: If I get the point, aptitude can do it for you. Then don't use Evil Aptitude. Good, solid apt-get won't do those sorts of things. Use aptitude to install x-window-system-core, kcontrol, and gnome-control-center. This brings in enough of X, KDE, and Gnome to run any app. Then add a few more packages as desired. In particular, konqueror and/or nautlus. Use aptitude and almost all the rest of KDE and/or Gnome will come in sans games and crap. Finally, install kdm or gdm with aptitude and the final bits will come in. And as a coda, 'l ~s[gnome|kde]~g' makes it extremely easy to browse most of the uninstalled apps in your preferred desktop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 16:11 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Knoppix is not Debian - depends what you mean by not ;-) When the OS boots the splashscreen has the debian spiral logo and the word debian prominently displayed searches for knoppix return with many references to debian near the top of search results for knoppix + list I find [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Debian' consists of the packages in main. The fundamental essence (IMHO) of main is that these are packages put together by individuals who have undergone a peer review process before getting commit rights to main. Knoppix, ubunto, libranet, gnoppix and other derivatives take snapshots of subsets of main (selecting from the stable, testing and unstable versions of the packages) and mix them with custom and 'unofficial' packages from additional sources, thereby creating a unique distribution. A derivative does not need Debian Developers, although it can have DD's involved in it's creation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 21:28 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:20:58PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: 'Debian' consists of the packages in main. The fundamental essence (IMHO) of main is that these are packages put together by individuals who have undergone a peer review process before getting commit rights to main. Knoppix, ubunto, libranet, gnoppix and other derivatives take snapshots of subsets of main... While your definition is accurate in the main, Ubuntu is a spcial case in that it doesn't take the garbage approach of the other pseudo-distributions you mention. It does not use Debian packages. It uses it's *own* packages and is, in fact, a real distribution. Not that I want to be seen as defending Ubuntu, of course... it's not something *I'd* ever use. I did paint with a pretty big brush :) Of the four I mentioned, I've used knoppix as a recovery system a couple of times, looked at gnoppix, burned libranet and skipped it, and, since I currently live at the end of a 3k pipe, need to depend on that peer review. Anybody wanna mail me an ubuntu install disk? :_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 01:41 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 10:26:54PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 21:28 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:20:58PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: 'Debian' consists of the packages in main. The fundamental essence (IMHO) of main is that these are packages put together by individuals who have undergone a peer review process before getting commit rights to main. Knoppix, ubunto, libranet, gnoppix and other derivatives take snapshots of subsets of main... While your definition is accurate in the main, Ubuntu is a spcial case in that it doesn't take the garbage approach of the other pseudo-distributions you mention. It does not use Debian packages. It uses it's *own* packages and is, in fact, a real distribution. Not that I want to be seen as defending Ubuntu, of course... it's not something *I'd* ever use. I did paint with a pretty big brush :) Of the four I mentioned, I've used knoppix as a recovery system a couple of times, looked at gnoppix, burned libranet and skipped it, and, since I currently live at the end of a 3k pipe, need to depend on that peer review. Anybody wanna mail me an ubuntu install disk? :_ Hi Rich, I have met a few of the ubuntu Developers and it is an good 'desktop' product. It contains many DD's and is contributing back to debian. They would be only to happy to mail YOU cd's (if you go to the web site, you can order as many as you want--no cost for cd or shipping!) Mine were shipped from Switzerland about 2 weeks after my request. -Kev Now that has to be the most old-fashioned thing I've seen on the net since ... Ordered and done. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using more than one driver for a laser printer?
On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 07:58 +, Adam Funk wrote: On Friday 05 November 2004 04:20, Rich Rudnick wrote: After looking over the bug reports, cupsys-bsd will create a link from /var/run/cups/printcap to /etc/printcap _if_ it doesn't exist or dangles, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=193069 . Several years of experience with CUPS says the maintainer knows best, so I deleted the old printcap, re-installed cupsys-bsd and let Jeff create the link :) I'll try it! So all that extra information in my /etc/printcap is superfluous and I've been fiddling with magicfilterconfig for no good reason? Quoting Till Kamppeter of linux printing.org: (first hit for 'magicfilter cups' on google) http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/general-list/2001q3/000889.html You do not need Magicfilter for CUPS. CUPS has its own filtering system and you can send text, PostScript, PDF, HP/GL-2, and many image formats directly to a CUPS queue. See also the special options which CUPS provides for text, HP/GL-2, and images (http://localhost:631/sum.html, options dialogs of XPP, QtCUPS, kprinter, and GTKlp). Plug I've used all of the programs cited above at one time or the other, and use gtklp daily. It provides access to all options on my printers, and makes it trivial to create instances (templates). /Plug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using more than one driver for a laser printer?
On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:06 +, Adam Funk wrote: On Wednesday 03 November 2004 21:00, CW Harris wrote: Rather than ignore it, I think it is better to link /etc/printcap to the CUPS printcap file (/etc/printcap.cups by default IIRC), then applications that try to use /etc/printcap will be using the correct one. Interesting point, although I now don't think anything (in my setup) really uses /etc/printcap. The file you mean is located in /var/run/cups/printcap on my system but is a lot shorter than magicfilterconfig's /etc/printcap. After looking over the bug reports, cupsys-bsd will create a link from /var/run/cups/printcap to /etc/printcap _if_ it doesn't exist or dangles, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=193069 . Several years of experience with CUPS says the maintainer knows best, so I deleted the old printcap, re-installed cupsys-bsd and let Jeff create the link :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using more than one driver for a laser printer?
On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 21:15 +, Adam Funk wrote: I have a Brother HL1450 laser printer on my parallel port. I used to use the Postscript driver but had problems with some documents overloading the printer's memory, so I switched to the hl1250 driver. Unfortunately LaTeX/dvips output doesn't look as good now---I assume this is because it is being converted from DVI to PS and then to Brother. So I'd like to know if there is any easy way to switch between them, just for local printing. I'm considering adding a second printer to /etc/printcap with the same device (/dev/lp0) and other specifications but a different driver, so I can use the lpr -P option as necessary. Is this idea good, bad or ugly? Should I use the same spool directory (subdirectory of /var/spool/lpd/)? (I have the following packages installed: magicfilter, cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsys-client, cupsys-driver-gimpprint, cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data, cupsys-pt.) For a long time now I've been using an HP940 on CUPS. Since the hpijs and gimpprint drivers both have their pluses and minuses, I defined two printers using localhost:631/admin, ijs and gimp, using the hpijs and gimprint drivers respectively, both of which ultimately point to /dev/lp0. Thus, I can use lpr -P to select the driver I want to use with the HP940. This has worked very well, the only gotcha being whichever virtual printer I choose first (ijs or gimp) will completely empty it's spool before printing the second spool. (This can be worked around by holding the jobs on the first spool, CUPS will automatically start the second spool). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using more than one driver for a laser printer?
On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 19:39 +, Adam Funk wrote: On Wednesday 03 November 2004 18:40, Rich Rudnick wrote: (I have the following packages installed: magicfilter, cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsys-client, cupsys-driver-gimpprint, cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data, cupsys-pt.) For a long time now I've been using an HP940 on CUPS. Since the hpijs and gimpprint drivers both have their pluses and minuses, I defined two printers using localhost:631/admin, ijs and gimp, using the hpijs and gimprint drivers respectively, both of which ultimately point to /dev/lp0. Thus, I can use lpr -P to select the driver I want to use with the HP940. This has worked very well, the only gotcha being whichever virtual printer I choose first (ijs or gimp) will completely empty it's spool before printing the second spool. (This can be worked around by holding the jobs on the first spool, CUPS will automatically start the second spool). Thanks for that info. As I said in another post in this thread, modifying /etc/printcap alone didn't seem to have any effect---does my lpr command (from the packages I listed above) use it at all or not? No, CUPS doesn't use printcap, or at least it doesn't with the version in unstable. cupsys-bsd provides the lpr used with CUPS, which is a near replacement for for the bsd lpr. IIRC it is missing a few options and has a few of it's own, but I've never had any incompatibilities with programs expecting bsd's lpr. In other words, just use localhost:631/admin to define your printers, ignore /etc/printcap and everything should work as expected. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using more than one driver for a laser printer?
On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 13:50 -0700, CW Harris wrote: On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 12:29:49PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 19:39 +, Adam Funk wrote: [...] Thanks for that info. As I said in another post in this thread, modifying /etc/printcap alone didn't seem to have any effect---does my lpr command (from the packages I listed above) use it at all or not? No, CUPS doesn't use printcap, or at least it doesn't with the version in unstable. cupsys-bsd provides the lpr used with CUPS, which is a near replacement for for the bsd lpr. IIRC it is missing a few options and has a few of it's own, but I've never had any incompatibilities with programs expecting bsd's lpr. In other words, just use localhost:631/admin to define your printers, ignore /etc/printcap and everything should work as expected. Rather than ignore it, I think it is better to link /etc/printcap to the CUPS printcap file (/etc/printcap.cups by default IIRC), then applications that try to use /etc/printcap will be using the correct one. Except that I don't have an /etc/printcap.cups :) The changelog states that it's been moved to /var/run/cups/printcap, 'since it's generated and non-editable', and says 'take care of the /etc/printcap symlink.' Don't know what that means, since my existing /etc/printcap was generated on Feb 28 by cupsys and is not a link. I think I need to look at the bug reports. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universal Operating System Status
Forwarded Message From: Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian News Channel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Debian Weekly News - October 12th, 2004 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:03:19 +0200 --- Debian Weekly News http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2004/40/ Debian Weekly News - October 12th, 2004 --- Welcome to this year's 40th issue of DWN, the weekly newsletter for the Debian community. Christian Perrier [1]reported the new [2]debian-installer can be understood by two third of the world population since it is translated into 40 languages. 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/2004/10/msg00022.html 2. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ A somewhat tongue in cheek goal of debian has long been creating the Universal Operating System, always understood as 'can run on any machine'. Perhaps that should now be expanded, with some seriousness (and acknowledgments to the translators: DD, non-DD, upstream professionals and one-timers alike) to 'can be run by anyone on any reasonable machine'? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: question re: removing all traces of Windows ME OS
On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 20:42 -0500, Jeff Golden wrote: A basic rule of life is never burn bridges behind you. Retreat is often a tactical necessity. This is true but it is rather annoying to have to re-boot into windows to do simple things like banking or dial into your office. My solution to the same problem is to utilize Win4Lin (commercial but it saves me time). It allows me to do the minimal things I need to do for work and banking quite easily. Also allows me to run Rhapsody music service. Even supports my VPN client (nortel) and PC Anywhere. I would suggest having a look at that. --Jeff I thought about Win4Lin back when I was converting our office to staroffice 5.2 and linux (the advantage of being the CEO, CFO and CTO :) Instead I networked an extra PC and rolled my chair back and forth for a few months. Nowadays I generally run windows once a month, and for less than 30 minutes, so Win4Lin would be overkill. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: question re: removing all traces of Windows ME OS
On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 13:25 -0400, Chris Moffa wrote: Folks, I've a 3-year-old laptop, IBM iSeries ThinkPad with Celeron processor. I'm considering completely removing all traces of anything Windows-related prior to installing Debian and open-source productivity software. I'd like to see what the computing experience is like devoid of Microsoft products as much as possible. It seem to me that as much as possible is the operative phrase here. I've been using linux for over five years, debian for the last four, but I still retain a minimal windows install. First, because some commercial entities I (and maybe you) deal with will not provide 'standards based' access. A case in point is my ISP, which (in my mind) provides superior service, but also provided a CD that required windows to set up the service. Once I was registered with the ISP, I could access it from linux. Another is my bank, which, although windows centric, provides services that I _will not_ do without. The second reason is hardware support. This may not be relevant to your laptop, but what will you plug into it? Debian, with discover, read-edid, udev, hal and related software is much better at providing out of the box hardware support these days. Still, the fact is that hardware manufacturers build with windows in mind. Sometimes simply being able to boot to windows and install the windows drivers will provide you with the info you need to make the hardware work under linux. So, with the above two points in mind, I would recommend that you repartition your hard disk with as little as you can applied to windows with basic internet access in mind (4 gig should be enough, I would think), reinstall a minimal ME, and then install debian sarge. A basic rule of life is never burn bridges behind you. Retreat is often a tactical necessity. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: evolution and web-browser ??
On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 08:08 -0700, Eric Gaumer wrote: On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 07:42, Richard Palfalvi wrote: Hi ! I would like to no from EVOLUTION-Users where I can change the default-browser evolution starts when I am clicking on links listed in emails? In my case (sarge/testing-distri) evolution always starts epiphany but I'd like to use FIREFOX instead. I already tried to change this behavior with update-alternatives but nothing changed - and I believe now that it has nothing to do with the alternatives-system but with some Config-File of evolution. I just cannot find the place/file where to tell evolution this changement This setting is under Preferred Applications found in advanced desktop settings under the GNOME control panel. Also, if you set this to sensible-browser, it will respect x-www- browser. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ximian-connector under debian
On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 20:02 -0400, Clifton Sluss wrote: Hi all, does anyone out there have systematic approach to making ximian-connector work for evolution? i am using 1.4.6, i would use 1.5 and evolution-exchange if anyone has crossed that bridge. Have you tried evolution 1.5 and evolution-exchange in experimental? I've been using 1.5 for mail only (not exchange, tho) for months with no problems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions about aptitude use
On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 10:54 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I have set up preferences to track testing, and have unstable available for use. I think I now see pachages from both sarge and sid on the aptitude interactive screen. Am I right, or am I dreaming? Is there a way to tell which release a pachage will come from if I markit for install on the interactive screen? Or which version # is sid? I run sid, with gnome from experimental. A very useful command in this situation (which I think will also get most of what you want) is 'l', which allows you to limit the tree view. for example, l ~Aexper will limit the interactive screen view to packages from experimental. ~Atesting, ~Aunstable will limit the view to those 'releases', respectively. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: eroaster atapi ide-scsi and burning files - fail to detect reader/writer
On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 11:46 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 01:27:33PM -0500, hanasaki wrote: silly problems with eroaster deleted not so silly problems left deleted Since you want to use Knoppix rather than Debian, why don't you just burn the ISO and get it over with? You've already demonstrated you know how to use the command-line tool... so why do you need a GUI front-end to burn the image? Maybe because wants to burn knoppix as a catastrophic failure recovery tool (which has saved my ass once already) and he wants to burn more things than knoppix and simply mentioned knoppix as what he was burning at the moment? xcdroast does the job just fine, hanasaki. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Status of KDE in unstable?
On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 10:39 -0400, Ralph Crongeyer wrote: I'm having the same problem since last week. Upgrading isn't the problem, I also upgraded to it. The problem is it won't install after a fresh install. I have three machines that upgraded to KDE 3.3 Just fine. But I have a machine I use to test the installer on, and KDE won't install, since last week. Assuming it's the same issue I had: For me aptitude install kde failed at korganizer with dpkg saying korganizer wanted to replace a file belonging to other packages, and named them. I checked out the files (it's been a while, so I don't rightly remember which one), decided I could safely overwrite it and backed it up. I also noted the packages that korganizer wanted to overwrite, and did: dpkg -i --force-overwrite korganizer_4%3a3.2.3-1_i386.deb Then dpkg -i \ kdelibs_4%3a3.3.0-1_all.debkdelibs-bin_4%3a3.3.0-1_i386.deb \ kdelibs4_4%3a3.3.0-1_i386.deb kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.0-1_all.deb You'll note that kdelibs3.3 will tell you something about replacing old files. kdelibs3.3 knew about the change, and took back control of the files from korganizer3.2. That's why upgrades work. The reason the install fails is that korganizer3.2 doesn't know about the change, and when dpkg tries to install it after kdelibs3.3 are already installed, it bails out. This kind of thing is why unstable is named sid ;) From this point, the install went fine. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No NIC and No X - WTF Does It Take?
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:04:18 -0800, Scarletdown wrote: Situation Update... Now, after the install was done, and without rebooting; I logged in and ran gdm. I was rather disappointed that there is no way to log in via gdm as root (I really do prefer to do that at this time rather than log in as a regular user and then su to root, since there seems to be no way to work On the gdm menu bar, there's systemconfigure. Enter the root password, and you can allow root to log in under the security tab. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cloning Debian hard drive
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:27, Victory wrote: Hello all, Now I have a working system, and want to clone it hard drive so that I can install the newly clone hard drive to many identical system configuration rather than install from CD and customize lots of stuff ??? 1, Is there way to clone this hard drive ? if you have the package doc-linux-html installed, this link should help: file:///usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/copy.html -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla and Blackdown Java Plugin
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 08:42, martin f krafft wrote: Short summary: MozillaJRE Works? == 1.2.1-2.bunk j2re1.3 YES 1.2.1-2.bunk j2re1.4 unknown 1.3-5 j2re1.3 NO 1.3-5 j2re1.4 NO 1.4-2 j2re1.3 NO 1.4-2 j2re1.4 NO Why? And how to fix? I am trying hard to get Java to work with Mozilla: ii mozilla-browse 1.4-2 Mozilla Web Browser - core and browser ii j2re1.41.4.0.99beta-1 Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, St ii j2sdk1.4 1.4.0.99beta-1 Blackdown Java(TM) 2 SDK, Standard Edition snip What's the deal here? Has anyone gotten the Blackdown Java Plugin to work with Mozilla 1.4? Short answer, no. According to http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html mozilla needs 1.4.2. I got it from sun's site and it does work. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla and Blackdown Java Plugin
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 09:41, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Rich Rudnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.08.24.1833 +0200]: Short answer, no. According to http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html mozilla needs 1.4.2. I got it from sun's site and it does work. Why does it then not work with Mozilla 1.3? Same restrictions? Don't know :) I think Seneca Cunningham's reply is probably the right direction to look first, though. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hi, where is gnome2 configuration file?
On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 02:06, Zhao You Bing wrote: I'm using unstable Gnome2(sawfish) I want to change the font size of window titile, I found that I can't change it using menu options. Thank u very much!!! -- Zhao YouBing, Ph.D student State Key Lab of CADCG,Zhejiang University, Hangzhou, 310027, P.R.China Tel : 0571-87951045(O), 87933444(H) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sawfish does not use the settings in the gnome-control-center; you need to run sawfish-ui. Alt-F2, sawfish-ui. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How unstable is unstable?
On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 21:57, Marino Fernandez wrote: On Sunday 06 July 2003 9:10 pm, Steve Lamb wrote: On 06 Jul 2003 21:07:42 -0400 Neal Lippman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering, from those running sid, just how unstable is it at the present time? The reason I am asking is that I would like to move on to KDE 3 and am feeling behind the times, still using KDE 2.1 in woody. I've been reluctant to track sid since I do need my workstation to be up and working pretty well, so I'd be interested in hearing from some who are using unstable regularly. Sid is doing pretty good for me. I have a knoppix/debian install plus gnome 2.2 (that is KDE 3.1.2, Mozilla 1.3.2, Evolution 1.4, Openoffice 1.0.3, kernel 2.4.21, XFree86 4.3) in my laptop... and what can I say, other that some minor bugs (i.e. the pgp plugin for KMail (or any other email client) does not work), everything works perfectly... I had it for 2 months now. I've been using sid for just over two years now and have never had my system not be usable. Since I use it in my office as my only computer and it must work, I have a couple of rules of thumb that have served me well. When I decide to do an upgrade (usually once a week or so) I first download the new packages, then scan the devel and user mailing lists for a couple of days to see if any problems have cropped up before doing an actual install. This will save me from any critical problem because someone else will trip over it and scream :) Occasionally (especially with with closely related package groups like kde and gnome) an upgrade will want to remove packages I use to satisfy dependencies for other packages; I just wait for a few days for the dependencies to settle out, and check again. I think the longest I went between upgrades was about 2 months during the gnome1-gnome2 switchover, since that's the desktop I use and I decided to be extra conservative. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gnome startup folder
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 16:45, Oki DZ wrote: Hi, I'm just wondering whether Gnome actually has a startup folder; ie: the one like in MacOS. There is Applications/Desktop Preferences/Advanced/Sessions menu, but I think it's pretty long to reach; besides, once you have the dialog box, you still have to click some buttons to have the applications included. Gnome has dragdrop feature, so I think having such folder is pretty natural. (Or, is there one already?) No, it uses ~/.gnome2/session-manual, which is a text file. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SBC/Yahoo DSL with Debian?
On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 13:10, Ric Otte wrote: Hi, I saw that SBC/Yahoo had a DSL offer of $30 a month, and I called them up to ask if it would work with Linux. The woman at tech support confidently assured me, over and over, that it would not work with Linux. I spoke to her a long time, trying to figure out why it wouldn't work. She said that since they use pppoe and not dhcp, I couldn't get an ip address with a dhcp client. But Debian has a pppoe package, and there are also things like rp-pppoe. Although she could not explain to me why it wouldn't work, she was absolutely positive it wouldn't. The modem/router they give out as part of the deal is a Homeportal 1000sw. I checked that on the web, and it looks to me as if it uses pppoe to connect to SBC, and then assigns either static or dynamic ip addresses to computers plugged into it. It also says that it is Linux compatible. So I find it very difficult to believe that Linux will not work with SBC DSL service, unless they are intentionally doing something to prevent Linux users from using their service. So I was wondering if anyone is using SBC DSL, or knows if it will work. Any info would be appreciated; thanks. Ric I've been using SBC/Yahoo in San Francisco for over a year now. They gave me an Efficient Networks 5360 adsl modem, which I set up using ppoeconfig with zero problems. Recently I installed a wireless router between the modem and my box, getting my ip via dhcp from the router, and the router also had no problem doing ppoe. From all this, I would assume sbc is not doing anything non-standard. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is the best Xfree Setup Program?
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 08:19, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 11:51:28PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: It does if you have read-edit, mdetect, and discover installed. ^ It's a typo; read-edid is correct -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sawfish 1.3 + Gnome2 questions?
On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 10:04, Gary Hennigan wrote: A couple of questions for those running sid with Gnome2 and Sawfish. 1) I can't figure out how to turn edge-flipping on. That's the ability to drag a window between workspaces. I use that feature quite heavily and am loathe to use the little teeny things in the pager to try and accomplish this. I read some discussion on the edge-flipping capbility in the sawfish bugzilla database and my interpretation was that it was removed, but the discussion was from last year and a poll showed overwhelming support for the feature so I'm hoping it didn't disappear. There's a file, OPTIONS.gz, in /usr/share/doc/sawfish which lists all the options available for sawfish. Copy it (unzipped of course) to ~/.sawfishrc and uncomment to your satisfaction. Most of the options are available from the configurator, but a few (edge flipping, box vs. opaque move and resizing, viewports, extra window placement options, etc.) are only available here. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About to go all Deb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 February 2003 08:11 am, Shri Shrikumar wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 15:24, John Anderson wrote: [...] Any way to cut a long story short I have come up with the following, and would appreciate thoughts and guidence. /boot 20meg You dont usually need a seperate /boot partition. I have installed a few linux machines and have never bothered with making it seperate Having a separate boot partition can make it easier to run additional distributions. I run sid, but I also have a minimal woody installation I can boot into just in case :) [...] - -- First Impressions are Bunk. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+W7SzjsoyiAgdtrQRAj0QAJ9jL3Lww1qrUEzQFhtLywAAkDwsagCfTpGF ZR5gMyP8NC30JcxD+jkKmJY= =5Yw4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster
On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 10:29, Daniel Barclay wrote: Mike M wrote: Socrates was stagnant and resting on his society's laurels? Good teaching inspires creativity. I didn't say Socrates was stagnant. Truly off topic, but Socrates is not the best example of good teaching, unless you admire what his pupils created: http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/essays/ifstoneonsocrates.html http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/socrates/socrates.HTM http://www.creatingthe21stcentury.org/Intro8a-Plato.html I didn't say teachers were stagnant. No, I said (well...meant) that society would be stagnant if passing on knowledge were the _only_ highest aspiration. Someone's got to be creating/discovering/generating new knowldge or the pool of knowledge doesn't grow. Daniel -- Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- First Impressions are Bunk. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Upgrading to KDE 3.1
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 11:39, Jeetu Golani wrote: Hey ppl, I have KDE 3.0.4 running at the moment, had installed the debs of this. I wanna upgrade to KDE 3.1. I've read that an apt-get upgrade doesn't do the trick and causes problems. Would appreciate if someone here could tell me what's the right way to upgrade. http://ktown.kde.org/~nolden/kde/README -- First Impressions are Bunk. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Gnome2 / Apt messed up
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 17:54, karrottop wrote: How would I be able to completely remove gnome and then reinstall? Does anyone know what packages have to go... 'apt-get remove libglib1.2 libglib2.0-0' then 'apt-get install gnome-core' should get you a minimal gnome2 reinstall. -- First Impressions are Bunk. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Nautilus problems in latest upgrade of Sid
On Tue, 2003-01-21 at 19:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did an aptitude upgrade a few minutes ago got my self in sync with the latest debs in Unstable. 2 problems : 1. Nautilus refuses to start. Trying to launch it from the command line spews this error : nautilus:18756): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: \wonderland\, FAMOpen failed, FAMErrno=0 FAMOpen failed, FAMErrno=0 FAMOpen failed, FAMErrno=0 nautilus: relocation error: nautilus: undefined symbol: eel_bonobo_pbclient_set_value_async here\'s a list of dpkg -l for nautilus : ii libnautilus0 1.0.6-8.2 Shared libraries that part of Nautilus ii libnautilus2-2 2.0.8-1Shared libraries that part of Nautilus (GNOM ii nautilus 2.0.8-1File manager and graphical shell (GNOME2) ii nautilus-data 2.1.91-1 Development files of Nautilus (GNOME2) ii nautilus-gtkht 0.3.2-6NautilusView component which embeds a GtkHTM rc nautilus2 2.0.7-1File manager and graphical shell (GNOME2) I'm not sure how you got that mix; here's mine from an upgrade last night: ii libnautilus2-2 2.1.91-1 Shared libraries that part of Nautilus (GNOM ii nautilus 2.1.91-1 File manager and graphical shell (GNOME2) ii nautilus-data 2.1.91-1 Development files of Nautilus (GNOME2) ii nautilus-gtkht 0.3.2-6NautilusView component which embeds a GtkHTM ii libeel2-2 2.1.91-1 Eazel Extensions Library (for GNOME2) ii libeel2-data 2.1.91-1 Eazel Extensions Library - data files (for G Do you have any of the nautilus dependencies on hold? Anyway you should look at purging libnautilus0 (it's from gnome 1.4) and nautilus2 (replaced by nautilus). You should also look at the recent archives from debian-gtk-gnome, there's some discussion about fam errors this morning. -- First Impressions are Bunk. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: looking inside zip/tar files with nautilus2
On Saturday 18 January 2003 10:41 am, Maciej Kalisiak wrote: I have: numenor# dpkg -l | grep nautilus ii libnautilus2-2 2.0.0-1Shared libraries that part of Nautilus (GNOM ii nautilus2 2.0.0-1file manager and graphical shell (GNOME2) ii nautilus2-data 2.0.0-1Development files of Nautilus (GNOME2) What else do I need to install in order to be able to look inside various archives? (i.e., *.zip, *.tar, *.gz, *.bz, etc) Currently, when I click on one of the archives, Nautilus complains that it has no install viewer capable of opening those files. There is no viewer for in nautilus for those files :) file-roller is the gnome2 archive generator/extractor, if you apt-get it it should associate the mime-types to itself, and clicking an archive will open it in file-roller. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dual-boot redhat/debian
On Thursday 09 January 2003 05:33 pm, Robert Storey wrote: On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 07:42:15 -0500 Gregory Seidman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignoring, for the moment, why I would do such a thing, I want to set up a machine (laptop) to dual-boot both Redhat 8.0 and Debian (testing/unstable mix). I'd also like to share as much as possible between them. I can obviously share the entire /home directory. There are some major annoyances in sharing a /home directory between two distros. Redhat and Debian may have different versions of KDE (or Gnome, Blackbox, etc) installed and different desktop settings. The big problem is with hidden files/directories like .bashrc, .kde, .Xdefaults and so on, which control these settings. When I was making the transition from mandrake to debian, I set aside a couple of small partitions (~250MB) for home for each distribution, specifically for those dot files. I used a third partition mounted under Documents for all my working files, and linked in a few directories (like .mail). Worked well for the month or so it took me to make the transition. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Today's Evolution
On Tue, 2002-12-03 at 19:51, Oki DZ wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 01:18:38PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: I had this problem when evo 1.2 first appeared in sid. I'd built evo snapshots and gtkhtml1.1 from source, and when I removed my build, I missed gtkhtml1.1-editor in /usr/local/bin. Could this be your problem also? I don't know for sure. I attached the error dialog; it doesn't say anything about the version of the gtkhtml. I did check the versions of gtkhtml and libgtkhtml that showed by apt-get show evolution; they were OK. The dialog says something about activation system; I did reinstall oaf. I have the same error dialog. BTW, I have googled on gtkhtml1.1-editor; it was nothing. Where did you get the gtktml1.1-editor? By recompiling the source? My question is, why Sid has this non-working Evolution in the first place? Oki Well, evolution is working fine for me, I'm sending this message with it. That's the exact error message I got when I had a bad gtkhtml1.1-editor floating around. The correct editor came in the package gtkhtml1.1 try cd /usr find -name *gtkhtml*editor* You should find gnome-gtkhtml-editor-1.1 -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Today's Evolution
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 23:10, Oki DZ wrote: Hi, I just downloaded Evolution. My system is Sid. Evolution could only run up into the main window. When I tried to send an email, it complained about the unavailability of gtkhtml1.1; which in fact I have it. Do you have any problems with Sid's Evolution? Oki I had this problem when evo 1.2 first appeared in sid. I'd built evo snapshots and gtkhtml1.1 from source, and when I removed my build, I missed gtkhtml1.1-editor in /usr/local/bin. Could this be your problem also? -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package deity no more available?
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 04:29, Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 07:49:39PM +0800, Stephan Broennimann wrote: I can't find the package deity anymore? Does it no more exist? It was far too buggy and wasn't getting fixed, so it was removed. Consider using aptitude instead. I use aptitude myself, but synaptic is ok if you prefer a gui. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard vs NONUS CD???
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 00:19, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 14:55 2002-11-14 -0600 hat John Hasler geschrieben: Edward Guldemond writes: With software patents, distributing this software could be considered illegal to distribute in the United States. Fetching it from outside of the US is fine. Using it in the US is fine, too,... Using it in the US infringes the patent. Importing a copy probably does as well. Note, however, that in the US such patent infringement is a tort, not a crime. You cannot be fined or imprisoned for it: just sued for damages by the patent owner. This is, why I program under my turkish/persian nationality ;-)) I can fuck american patents and export restrictions and do not violate any international embargos or something like this... I am terrorist now ??? And dangerous for the United States ??? Michelle Of course. Please present yourself to the nearest FBI office, and have a pleasant day :) -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: argh! aptitude/dselect/apt-get dieing????
On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 10:22, Craig Dickson wrote: Colin Watson wrote: You explain to the common man not to use unstable. :) It *certainly* shouldn't have broken in the first place, but accidents happen. If one doesn't have enough system administration experience to cope with this kind of thing (after all, it was just everything written in C++ that broke, not, say, the dynamic linker as I'm told used to happen, or PAM preventing all logins, or ...), then unstable is really not the distribution one should be running. Yes, I remember the PAM incident back in early 2001. That was much nastier than this C++ problem. One had to switch to single user mode, then download and install a corrected package from incoming. This may sound callous, but those some people - or at least those people who *can* fix it, perhaps not trivially easily - are the only people who should be using unstable. I have to agree. I hit the C++ problem yesterday afternoon when I did my daily Sid update. It was annoying, but not that hard to work around. I considered symlinking it to the nearest-match version of the same library, but decided it was probably a more certain fix to just downgrade to the previous libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package. Anyone who couldn't figure out how to do that without help probably should stick to testing rather than unstable. Otherwise, the next time something nasty happens in Sid, they may find that they don't know what to do, and all the usual resources (Debian lists and web pages) are unreachable because of the breakage. What then? Craig Me, I keep a minimal woody on another partition :) -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ppp0 surveyer gnome applet? or some sort of script drivenstatus displayer?
On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 01:46, Bruno Boettcher wrote: Hello! lately my internet connection through ADSL became really flakey, and i am not allways aware when the connection drops or is up... thus i would like to have some sort of status display somewhere... since i nearly don't use the gnome stuff that is hanging around my desktop, i thought that maybe there would be that sort of thing lying allready around as a panel applet but no luck, the ppp monitor seems ot work only with normal RTC modems keeping allways a tail -f /var/log/messages open is cumbersome, and there are the ip-up and ip-down scripts that could send a signal to an app so is there allready something out that does this? I use gkrellm (actually gkrellm2 on gnome2) for various things, including monitoring my asdl connection. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ppp0 surveyer gnome applet? or some sort of script drivenstatus displayer?
On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 01:46, Bruno Boettcher wrote: Hello! lately my internet connection through ADSL became really flakey, and i am not allways aware when the connection drops or is up... thus i would like to have some sort of status display somewhere... since i nearly don't use the gnome stuff that is hanging around my desktop, i thought that maybe there would be that sort of thing lying allready around as a panel applet but no luck, the ppp monitor seems ot work only with normal RTC modems keeping allways a tail -f /var/log/messages open is cumbersome, and there are the ip-up and ip-down scripts that could send a signal to an app so is there allready something out that does this? I use gkrellm (actually gkrellm2 on gnome2) for various things, including monitoring my asdl connection. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Odd Path issue
On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 12:09, nate wrote: KentTest, it reports the expected /usr/local/bin/KentTest. However, if I run KentTest, I get bash: /home/westk/bin/KentTest: No such file or directory. If I log out and then log back in, I can run KentTest and it prints the message as expected. thats normal, something to do with caching enviornment variables, I see it a lot when doing what your doing. I don't know why it is, but its expected behavior to me bash stores the full name to commands in a hash table. You can see what's been cached by calling hash on the command line and clear the cache with hash -r -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lost my viewports in sawfish!
On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 11:48, Steve Juranich wrote: rant nostrils=flared hands=ClenchedFist Okay, this whole GNOME2 crap has _GOT_ to stop. I'm really starting to get pissed off. I'll probably end up pinning my distro to testing if this goes on much longer. /rant It's bad enough that the new sawfish binaries don't read my old configuration info for viewport/workspace information. But they don't even provide me with the stuff to configure my wm back to the way I had it before. The sawfish-configurator no longer allows me to add/delete viewports to the desktop. All I can do is add workspaces. I like to work with one workspace and a 2x2 grid of viewports (like I have fvwm2 set up at work). But I can't even do this now. All I can do is add desktops. It would be okay, except sawfish workspaces don't understand the 2x2 geometry that I like to work with. Has anybody found this configuration stuff yet? I've looked in my ~/.sawfish directory, but I can't find what needs to be fixed. Thanks. It's in the workspace switcher. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jumping through audio hoops after boot.
On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 10:15, Steve Juranich wrote: I'm the kind of guy who turns off his machine at night (mostly because the wife is worried about electric bills, though). After I boot up the machine, I can't play any sound until I first start gmixer (I've tried using amixer instead, but it always barfs). After I start gmixer, everything is copacetic. I can even log out and log back in and sound is in good working order. This being the case, I'm guessing that I can put something in my startup scripts (that isn't there now) that will get this sorted out for me and I can finally remove the mixer applet from my gnome-toolbar. I've got an AC '97 on-board via82xx-based chip set that runs with the ALSA drivers. The alsa start/stop script in init.d will automatically save and reset your mixer settings using alsactl (if it's installed), which is in alsa-utils. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: so how do the pros read all those .gz docs, zless?
On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 22:00, Chris Gushue wrote: Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: I use either zless (just like I would have used 'less' if it wasn't compressed) or more often 'view' (vim in read-only mode; vim6 automatically decompresses .gz files). I'm pretty sure that Vim 5.x (5.6? 5.7?) did in Debian as well. I wish more things supported transparently viewing gzipped files :) I put ' LESSOPEN=|/usr/bin/lesspipe %s ' in /etc/profile, and less will transparently unzip and display the file. I'd say I'm pretty much joe average: emacs isn't even on my system, and after two years of using linux I still don't know how to cut and paste in vim :) -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which prog to configure keyboard
On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 09:10, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:56:34AM -0700, Wm. G. McGrath wrote: Willy Sutrisno wrote: I like to change my keyboard from 101 to 106, I remember debian ask me about what keyboard I am using. But I don't know the name of the program. I need to reconfigure again. Could anyone tell me, what is the name of the program to change the settings? Speaking of which, I have an 'internet' keyboard 104 keys but also a number of buttons for the CDplayer, volume, mute and app launching buttons. Is there a program that can enable these extra buttons? It was discussed recently on DWN (or rather debian-laptop): http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/17/ I've tried both methods suggested there, but settled on xbindkeys and xbindkeys-config. It's window manager independent, and hotkeys occasionally silently failed on me. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gedit
On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 11:18, ben wrote: i like gedit a lot but in the default state of the most recent debian version, 0.9.6, it doesn't display--in the open dialog--files or directories whose names begin with a dot. anyone know how to modify this? ben I just type a dot in the dialog box, then press tab and the dot files magically appear (I just retested the gnome2 version, but IIRC it worked with the old gedit also). -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian: abandon ship?
On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 05:37, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:24:27AM +0200, Ivo Wever wrote: involving elderly disabled people, to support Debian. I guess we should rethink Debian if it turned out some neo-nazi group used our software on their servers? Godwin's Law; end of thread please? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: potato or woody or testing or arrgghghg
On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 08:29, Jeremy Turner wrote: I could be wrong (I often am), but try: apt-get install gnome-session This should get you something. In your .xsession, put the line 'gnome-session'. Maybe someone with more experience can let us know the more preferred way? I just fire up aptitude, and get esound and all the gnome stuff under Tasks-End-User-Desktop, and apt-get apps as needed. yeild nothing. Now, I'm just not sure how to get the Woody-compatible version of Gnome installed. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixture of regular debian libs and ximian gnome libs
On Sun, 2002-05-19 at 14:15, Josef Oswald wrote: First thanks for responding, now after I run this command I've got _lots_ of ximian packages, how do I remove them ( I know that with apt-get remove package a single package can be removed But a whole Bunch of them? I've been running my machine with the gnome2 packages from experimental. The first couple of times I tried them, they worked poorly (upstream, I'm sure :). To drop them, I commented out the experimental deb line in sources.list, started aptitude, ran an update, and found all the packages listed in 'obsolete or local packages' (or something like that). Easy to tag them for removal at that point. Try doing that with the ximian deb line. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linksys NC100 network card
On Sat, 2002-05-04 at 22:21, Dr. Louis A. Turk wrote: Hi, Is there a Debian Linux driver for the Linksys Model NC100 v2 10/100 Network Card? Or should I buy a different card? If I need a different card, what is the best and easiest-to-install card? I use that card with the tulip driver. -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: devfs joystick question
On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 04:31, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote: Just what *is* the path to the joystick device in /dev under devfs? I do have my modules installed for it and everything, though I compiled them post-reboot... please, please, someone answer this :) pretty please? -- First Impressions are Bunk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to configure adsl?
On Wed, 2002-05-01 at 20:51, andrej hocevar wrote: Hello, I'm helping a friend configure his first Debian/Linux box. He's got adsl access to the internet but I don't really know what it is -- if I'm not mistaken, he needs kernel 2.4 with pppoe support and the pppoe programs (pppoe, pppoeconf, ...). Is there basically anything else? Thank you, andrej Assuming his dsl is ppp over ethernet, I believe the only thing you need and haven't listed is ppp. It was incredibly painless -- run pppoeconf, wait a bit, (I think I had to answer one or two simple questions), and pon dsl-provider works! -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie and scan attack
On Thu, 2002-04-25 at 12:04, craigw wrote: Okay, here's the kicker question: How can I, as a newbie, track this down and root it out, and clean my system? Also, is there a way I can do it without spending days at it, learning? Sounds like you don't have a lot of free time. Linux has a learning curve, it's going to take some time. Especially Debian. (go ahead, flame me, you can't deny it) It has been said: Linux is only free if you value your time at nothing. There has been, and continues to be, much ongoing improvement in this respect, but Linux will probably always favor the users who wish to get more involved in their system adminning. (as it should) My suggestion for you is: Install something like Mandrake on another partition. In the install process you can choose Medium or High security. Medium should be fine for home use, High will probably be a hassle. This should solve your current problem, I hope, and you may continue at your leisure to enjoy learn more about the world's best OS. Based on personal experience, I think I can guarantee that you will spend several hundred hours going from zero linux experience to learning enough to be able to run debian confidently. CraigW's advice is exactly what someone told me a couple of years ago; I got a working system that I could use without knowing very much, and I used it to bootstrap my skills. It was worth the time :) -- first impressions are bunk (unknown) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The latest round of antivirus bouncebacks
On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 00:35, ben wrote: On Wednesday 10 April 2002 11:54 pm, Simon Hepburn wrote: ben wrote: thanks for the input. so, on attachments, none? some? If I'm helping people out with, say X problems for example, I'd far prefer to see their config and log files as attachments rather than pasted, simply beccause of the sheer length of them. Also a lot of files, for example fstab, are just plain awkward to read when pasted and wrapped. And what about gpg ? Attachments are pretty useful things on the whole, even if some of them might contain things none of us are interested in . 1. no spam 2. text-only (no html, ms-tnef, etc.) 3. wrap text since i've not been done wrong by any attachment i've ever received, and no real objection to them exists as yet, what other conditions need apply? while the three above seem trivial, the purpose of this is to generate an advisory notice for new subscribers. what else shoud be on that list? 4. Spell check. -- first impressions are bunk (unknown) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail rules (WAS Re: The latest round of antivirus bouncebacks)
On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 10:15, Daniel Toffetti wrote: 4. Spell check. i think stipulating a spell check would impose too much on many non-native english speakers whose participation on this list is very valuable, snip The spellchecker is pretty, but hardly useful enough as to require it to post to the list. An ace! Game point to Daniel :) -- first impressions are bunk (unknown) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dselect
On Sat, 2002-01-19 at 21:00, Asura wrote: Why in back ground. APT system run by dselect Pet peeve: apt has nothing to do with the questions that are asked while upgrading packages. asks question unless you set debconf to assume yes to all etc. Even then you'll have to pass dpkg special options to force what it does with conffile changes. Completely unattended upgrades are a worthwhile goal, but they aren't possible in the general case yet. I am interested in this because if I'm at home, and telnet to my linux which is at work, I'd like to tell it to upgrade remotely without having to stay online for hours while it downloads and installs the updates. In this case, I'd like it to download the gnome desktop packages and it'd be ready when I come back into work on Monday. Otherwise, I'd either have to stay onthe phone, or wait until I get to work--in either case, its a loss of productive time for me. If I understand correctly, what might work for you is a three step process I have used occasionally. First, ssh in and select the packages you wish with dselect. Exit dselect. Second, use apt-get dselect-upgrade in download only mode (apt-get dselect-upgrade -d). At this point, you can hang up and go play, while your work machine downloads the packages. Third, Sunday night sometime, ssh in again, and run dselect. Go straight to install, and since the packages are already downloaded and will be installed from your cache, only a few minutes effort will complete the installation. I hope this is what you're looking for. -- first impressions are bunk (unknown)
Re: dselect
On Sat, 2002-01-19 at 22:16, Rich Rudnick wrote: On Sat, 2002-01-19 at 21:00, Asura wrote: I hate replying to myself, but after reading David Maze's last post I realized I forgot something important :\ If I understand correctly, what might work for you is a three step process I have used occasionally. First, ssh in and select the packages you wish with dselect. Exit dselect. Second, use apt-get dselect-upgrade in download only mode (apt-get dselect-upgrade -d). At this point, you can hang up and go play, while your work machine downloads the packages. do this as an at job, set for a few minutes in the future, and you can log off. Third, Sunday night sometime, ssh in again, and run dselect. Go straight to install, and since the packages are already downloaded and will be installed from your cache, only a few minutes effort will complete the installation. I hope this is what you're looking for. -- first impressions are bunk (unknown)
Re: Canon BJC-250
On Wed, 2001-12-26 at 16:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Jack Dodds wrote: How can I configure it to print to my old Canon BJC-250 through a standard (non-ECP) parallel port? apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client cupsys-pstoraster cupsomatic-ppd Or replace cupsomatic-ppd with cupsys-driver-gimpprint; some claim it provides better print quality on canon printers. It certainly does on my hp940c. Add yourself to the lpadmin group, log out/in. Open up a web browser to localhost:631, enter your username/passwd. It's pretty easy from there on in. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- first impressions are bunk (unknown)
Re: Converting between maildir and mbox
On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 20:05, Craig Dickson wrote: Or, if you already have procmail set up, just adjust it for the new format, then pipe your old mail into it. Actually, I'm not sure that will work with an mbox file as input, because procmail might prefer to be invoked once per message (?). But it definitely works when your source format is MH or maildir. I imagine with mbox as input, you could do a simple script using awk or perl to pipe each message individually though procmail. Though at that point, the MUA would be simpler, as long as it understands both formats (which may not be the case). This is a bash script I picked up somewhere that will forward mboxes through procmail, filling your new maildirs. #! /bin/bash formail -s procmail $1 -- first impressions are bunk (unknown)
OT: supressing line noise
I'm looking for some help with getting a clean 120v supply to my computer. I'm on the same circuit as my washer/dryer (and no, changing location is not an option). When either electrical motor is running, my monitor flickers: noticably on 1024x768 at 85hz vert refresh, and very annoyingly at 1152x864 at 75hz, which is what I want to use. Twenty years ago I actually worked in the electrical field; I remember a bit, misremember a lot, but what I do remember is that this is bad for electronic components as well as my eyes and I need a line filter :) I've looked around the internet, and think a brickyard model 2r15 http://www.brickwall.com/html_nav.asp?ObjectID=656 is the kind of thing I'm looking for. I'm hoping for two kinds of responses: first, that I'm going down the right path (and if not, pointers to the right one); and second, a pointer to something that works well for less than $150. rich -- first impressions are bunk (unknown)
RE: About the i586 / i386 ' optimized releases ' differences ?
On Thu, 2001-11-15 at 10:08, Brooks R. Robinson wrote:
| | linked code). (Does anyone have benchmark results?) If I remember
| | correctly, it is debian policy to use '-g' and then strip non-library
| | binaries. I'm sure I'll get howls for suggesting it, but I think that
| | the policy should be to not use '-g' in the stable distribution.
|
| current stable distribution. It would be great if someone could get some
| hard numbers on the space saved and performance improvements of getting
| rid of debugging symbols in the stable dist (and post it to devel).
Greetings,
I just did this as a test. Let's take the ubiquitous Hello World
program. The code:
#include stdio.h
int main ( void )
{
printf( Hello World\n );
return 0;
}
If you compile this with 'gcc -Wall test.c -o test_clean', the resulting
binary is 4981 bytes. If you compile it with 'gcc -g -Wall test.c -o
test_debug', the resulting binary is 14181 bytes. That is a 284% larger
size. Or if you invert the fraction, the stripped binary is 35% of the size
of the loaded binary. Another statistic is that the source code is a mere
82 bytes. Now, I don't suppose that this size comparison is exactly the
same for all generated code, but it is an appreciable difference.
I built a linux from scratch system a while ago, which talks about
debugging symbols and relative sizes of stripped and unstripped
binaries. I quote from version 3.0:
Before you start wondering whether these debugging symbols really make a
big difference, here are some statistics. Use them to draw your own
conclusion.
* A dynamic Bash binary with debugging symbols: 1.2MB
* A dynamic Bash binary without debugging symbols: 478KB
* /lib and /usr/lib (glibc and gcc files) with debugging symbols: 87MB
* /lib and /usr/lib (glibc and gcc files) without debugging symbols:
16MB
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/view/3.0/ch06-aboutdebug.html
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Re: Which mail user agent do you use?
On Wed, 2001-11-14 at 09:04, Tim Dijkstra wrote: Hi, (I'm not sure if this is on topic, but hey, I'am debian-user...) I used to use netscape's messenger to read my mail, but I've had it with that one. Then I tried pine for a while, but I'm not sure about that one either. So I thought before trying all MUAs there are, I just ask you what you think is the best one. I think I prefer something graphical, and able of using multiple accounts. I've tried a bunch, and my recommendations are... (drum roll, please) * mutt for email only (console) A steep learning curve if you want to configure it. Unless all your mailboxes are IMAP, you'll probably want fetchmail and procmail for getting and sorting your mail. * balsa for email only (gui) No search or filters, although in development. Slow when opening large mailboxes. Like mutt, fetchmail and procmail are probably needed. * evolution for email, calender and contacts (gui) Does most things, and does them well. The release candidatehasn't crashed once on me :) I use evolution now, but may switch back to balsa when filters and search are implemented. I keep mutt around because it does things to mailboxes nothing else will. -- first impressions are bunk (unknown)
Re: kdm gdm + woody
On Thu, 2001-10-25 at 22:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'cause you're not supposed to login as root. You're not supposed to run a window manager or a desktop or any of that stuff. See 'man su' and 'man sudo' for better alternatives. So who was the idiot genius that thought that one up. Normally I do login as my user and su when I need to do root stuff. BUT, I still find it usefull to log into root under a GUI every now and then. I don't think it should be upto Gnome to not allow me this. Guy's get a clue...get a consensus before you add something that affects everyone! Tech If you must, you can configure it with gdmconfig. It's under expert. -- first impressions are bunk (unknown)
Re: What happens when Woody becomes Stable ??
On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 13:20, Erik Steffl wrote: I used to use aptitude this way: u (to update package list) g (to see what's going to happen) g (to make it happen) now it doesn't work (the actions are a lot different from what apt-get dist-upgrade would do) what's the secret? (I already asked this few times but got no responses - does aptitude work for anybody?) I just started testing aptitude a few days ago, and that's exactly what I do. It's worked for me so far. I don't think it does a dist-upgrade, only upgrade. (The man page is not too clear on that issue, but I think it would mention dist-upgrade if that is what it was doing.)
Re: deb files maintenance - Dependency overview
On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 14:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all. My debian distribution grew kinda big 1.2G. I know I'm not using a lot of what I have installed. Now, due to a number of interdependecies I would like to look at dependency tree of all deb files and pick out those branches that I don't use and uninstall. Any recomendations on what program can help me ? I'm looking something similar to package manager from KDE. I just went through that process. Aptitude worked well for manually tracing dependencies; as an example, type '/libqt2' (no quotes), hit enter (which will find the libqt2 package), then down arrow to 'packages depending on libqt2', hit enter again, and there's a list of everything that depends libqt2. Arrow down to a package in that list, hit enter again, arrow down to 'packages depending..', hit enter, and there's some indirect dependencies. Took me a long afternoon, but I cleared a lot of unused/unwanted stuff this way. Also found some other things to install, so I didn't clear as much space as I'd hoped :) -- first impressions are bunk (unknown)
Re: can't get banner page to print
On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 10:28, Mike Egglestone wrote: Hi, I have a fairly new install of Potato r3 and have apt-get install magicfilter and lprng. I have an hp 940c deskjet printer attached to /dev/lp0 # # This file was generated by /usr/sbin/magicfilterconfig. # lp|hp940c|hp940c:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:sd=/var/spool/lpd/hp940c:\ :sh:pw#80:pl#66:px#1440:mx#0:\ :if=/etc/magicfilter/deskjet-filter:\ :af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs: This is the printcap file from my system (sid). # This file was generated by /usr/sbin/magicfilterconfig. # lp|dj940|HP deskjet 940c:\ :lp=/dev/dp0:sd=/var/spool/lpd/dj940:\ :sh:pw#80:pl#66:px#1440:mx#0:\ :if=/etc/magicfilter/dj500c-filter:\ :af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs: -- first impressions are bunk (unknown)
Re: Green blinking 'D' in console
On Mon, 2001-10-22 at 18:09, Dmitriy wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 10:13:19AM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: wayne wrote: erik Voodoo 3 2000 PCI, same thing here. :-( Happens when switching from X to VT. I saw this a while ago, although there was a lot more chaff on the screen. IIRC, it only happened when I was using a framebuffer'd VT. Switching to a normal text display removed it. This was under rh7.1, I think. (V3 3000 pci) -- first impressions are bunk (unknown)
Re: Voodoo3. DRI, X4.1.0 and Bus mastering - Still no joy
On Thu, 2001-10-04 at 07:31, Jason Healy wrote:
At 1002229481s since epoch (10/04/01 02:04:41 -0400 UTC), john wrote:
It's interesting that you say you have DRI working but not bus mastering.
Can
you run setpci on the device and see if bit 3 of word 4 is set? If so my
problem
isn't bus mastering at all.
I think that says that I don't have BusMastering on (That's what the little
minus sign - means, right? I'm not a PCI expert, so you'll have to help
me on this one). Let me know if I should run {ls,set}pci with different
options to give you better output.
As well, here's an lspci report on my video: as you can see, the 3dfx
mentions nothing about bus mastering.
Bus 0, device 19, function 0:
VGA compatible controller: 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo 3 (rev 1).
IRQ 11.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xfc00 [0xfdff].
Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xf600 [0xf7ff].
I/O at 0xe800 [0xe8ff].
Bus 1, device 0, function 0:
Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 92).
Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=8.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xf900 [0xf9ff].
I/O at 0xd800 [0xd8ff].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xfa8ff000 [0xfa8f].
Re: Voodoo3. DRI, X4.1.0 and Bus mastering
On Tue, 2001-10-02 at 20:30, john wrote: Thanks for replies so far Stephen Gran suggested that I look for a setting in the BIOS to search PCI 1st. Unfortunately the BIOS in this machine has a funky graphical UI (i.e. is designed for stupid people) and has no options suitable. This is completely frustrating. The machine in question is one of those 'E-Machines', a budget buy from CostCo. Has anyone got DRI working woith a Voodoo3 PCI in one? I've got a eMachine 466is, and yes, I've got dri working. First, to get the v3 recognized as the primary display: In the graphical bios screen, find pci/pnp setup. In that submenu, find initial display select. That's where you set the pci slot as the primary video display. Second, make sure that you have _only_ xlibmesa from X4.1.0 installed. You should have no other mesa packages installed. Also make sure you have libglide3 installed. Be sure libglide2 is not installed. I've also cut out what I -think- are the important parts of my XF86Config-4 file. Section Module ... Load dri Load glx ... EndSection Section Device Identifier Voodoo3 (generic) Driver tdfx VendorName Voodoo3 (generic) BoardName Voodoo3 (generic) EndSection Section DRI Mode 0666 EndSection I hope this helps. Don't forget that the DefaultDepth in the section Screen needs to be set to 16. If this is too much detail, well, maybe someone else can use it :)
Re: display manager related
On Sat, 2001-09-29 at 14:40, dman wrote: On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 02:44:01AM +0530, Jeffrin Jose T. wrote: | | Is there any technical advantage in using a display manager | to start X window system apart from using xinit related | stuff from the command line ? You get a nice pretty screen to login to. You can use XDMCP. You can allow nice shutdowns without logging in first. You could have a list of users (with icons or mug shots) to point-n-click from rather than typing the name. I don't know if all of these are desirable, but those are some of the features provided by gdm. -D Plus you can have several different xsession configurations available a mouse click away.
Re: OT: vim syntax highlight on C program files only?
* Rob Hudson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I found stuff like this before and have been using it: When using mutt or slrn, text width=72 autocmd BufRead mutt*[0-9]set tw=72 autocmd BufRead .followup,.article,.letterset tw=72 Thank you very much. Rich
Re: Balsa hangs by sending mails
* Timeboy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi! Yesterday i tried balsa 1.1.7-3 from Sid. It looks great: I can receive mails and also all other things may be working great. But if i try to send a mail balsa hangs. There is no error message and no other information about this on console. There is only one thing i don't know, which could have to do with this. In the settings for identity, there is a possibility to define a domain. This line is blank, cause i don't know why i can set a domain here. POP and SMTP server i set in the preferences. Any idea? Timo take a look at balsa-list@gnome.org archives. IIRC there was a thread about it recently.
Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: The Sound of Silence]]
* Oliver Elphick (olly@lfix.co.uk) wrote: Curt Howland wrote: One more comment: I continue to get /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy when trying to use sound. If I cat message.au /dev/audio even as root, I get the message /dev/audio Device or resource busy. Some other program has it open. You may have missed a thread response above; I'm not sure who replied, (deleted) but he suggested you drop yiff. The current questions are, what programs are you trying to use sound with? Is it compatible with yiff? If not, does yiff allow sharing of /dev/dsp? I paraphrase the essence of his reply: drop yiff, use esd as god intended
Re: X: Changing resolution
* Steve Dondley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Problem: Pressing CTRL-ALT-+/- (numeric) doesn't change my screen resolution setting. X (with sawmill) always starts out in 1024 x 768 with 16 bpp (65,000 colors) and I can't figure out how to change it. Background: For practice, I just installed X from scratch. I configured the XF86Config file with xf86config. I've got 1 MB of video ram on an S3 chipset. I set three resolution settings with the program: 1024 x 768 at 8 bpp, 1024 x 768 at 16 bpp, and 800 x 600 at 24 bpp. Question: How do I change monitor resolution/color depth in X? To put it another way, how do I get CTRL-ALT-+/- to work? Thanks. This is a great list. Set up each display subsection with the resolutions you want, similar to: SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes 1152x864 1024x768 800x600 EndSubsection CTRL-ALT-+/- will rotate thru the modes you have defined. Be aware, XFree86 uses a virtual display, which if not explicitly defined, will be the first mode defined (i.e., the 1152 from mine.) Moving the mouse to the edge of the screen will scroll the actual display around the desktop. I know this sounds strange, but You'll See.
Re: DRI problems...
* Cameron Matheson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hey, I'm trying to get this cursed Voodoo 3 3000 working in Woody, but it doesn't seem to want to. I've installed the following packages: mesag-glide2 glutg3 libglide2 libglide3 // i installed this after libglide2 didn't work alone I'm using X4.0.3. I have DRI, AGP, and tdfx all compiled into the kernel (2.4.9). When I type glxinfo, it says that DRI *is* enabled (i'll attach output from glxinfo and startx), but i have no acceleration, and GL programs run so slow it nearly kills me. Anyone know what might be wrong? I use the voodoo 3 3000, and have had DRI working before under RH 7.1. I'll see if I can get it up again (Check my notes, etc.) Ok, tuxracer is accelerated. First get rid of mesag-glide2 and libglide2. Those are for XFree 3.3.x. Second, make sure you have all the XFree86 4.x stuff installed, in par- ticular xlibmesa3. Third, check for any other mesa stuff, and get rid of it. XFree provides all the mesa you need. Fourth, make sure that tdfx is actually loaded (/usr/sbin/lsmod). Probably, since glxinfo claims dri is enabled, the extra mesa stuff is intercepting calls. I spent days finding that problem the last time.
Re: XDM
* Greg Wiley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to revert back to logging into a command prompt and starting X from there. apt-get remove xdm If you want to keep xdm on your machine, but disabled: update-rc.d -f xdm remove the following will prevent xdm from restarting if it is updated: update-rc.d xdm stop 10 6 .
Re: How to answer
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:36:21 Gilles Pelletier wrote: I'm used to a web - news interface, but not to email - news. I can't post directly to th enewsgroup. I suppose that's normal. I received two copies of some posts, none of others. Answering to any any of the two copies I received, sends the reply to sender, not to the newsgroup. I'm using Eudora. How's this supposed to work? If I follow you correctly, you're reading the lists off usenet, right? Probably subscribing to the list directly for a while would make it easier. http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
Re: Network card
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:40:40 Eileen Orbell wrote: Hi, What is the simplest, compatible network card I should purchase for a new Debian install? Thanks in advance I got this one at a computer superstore for $12. Everything worked fine. Linksys Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 model NC100 (rev 11)
Re: Why is Debian lagging so much behind Slackware?
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:47:07 Gilles Pelletier wrote: We're a small group mulling over the respective merits of Debian and Slackware for a newbie. Of course, since apt-get takes care of installing dependencies and upgrading the whole installed software, we were leaning towards Debian. The newbie, even though his concerns for security are limited, wouldn't have to care too much about it. Only a tiny problem remains. Potato is not up to date and it's apparently difficult to upgrade software unless you get patches at specialised places ( http://kde.tdyc.com for the KDE 2.x serie, for instance. ) You then must hope the patch is well done. We though about installing Woody, but, as you people know, the boot disquettes don't boot yet. Potato must first be installed and an upgrade made to Woody. Newbies might not appreciate... As for Woody, once again, it's going to be out... when it's ready, which might as well mean in June 2002, one year after Slack was out. As a pretty much newbie, going from potato to unstable (I definitely fit in the BTW below!) was not a problem; in fact, IMO understanding /etc/apt/sources.list is the first step a newbie should make on debian. I got absolutely nowhere until I got a grasp of that file and it's implications. snip Is apt-get really worth this huge delay? We do plan to teach the newbie some fundamentals. BTW, in case you wouldn't know, even newbies like to be cutting edge... even more so than oldies I'd say : )
Re: problems upgrading from stable
On Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:26:53 Michael P. Soulier wrote: On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 01:08:08PM -0700, Rich Rudnick wrote: The recommended fix (search the archives) is to upgrade to woody first, then sid. Worked for me. I assume that they're fixing this problem though, no? I mean, it should work, and Debian has the wonderful tendency to do what it should. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925 I'm still new to debian, but I'm here because these things do get fixed :) Rich
Re: problems upgrading from stable
On Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:08:10 Patrick Kirk wrote: Me too. It was a fresh install and I formatted again. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Debian User Mailing List debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Re: problems upgrading from stable | I had the same error when upgrading from 2.2R2 | --- Original Message --- | From: Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: Debian User Mailing List debian-user@lists.debian.org | Subject: problems upgrading from stable | | Hey people.=20 | | So, I just installed 2.2r3, with only a base system, and then | dist-upgraded to unstable...almost.=20 | | libreadline4 died at a perl script saying that it couldn't find | libdb2.so.3. Looks like it introduced a dependency without | installing the | required packages.=20 | Has anyone else run into this? | | Mike | | --=20 | Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 | With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not | necessari= | ly a | good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, | and it could= | be | dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925 | The recommended fix (search the archives) is to upgrade to woody first, then sid. Worked for me.
Re: Deb-Newby: Read HOWTO's?
On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:35:45 Peter Hicks wrote: At 03:12 AM 08/02/2001 +0100, Brett Parker wrote: On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 08:59:21PM -0500, d wrote: LURKER here again, what is used to read the HOWTO files? All of the ones I have on my system are **.gz, I know that means compressed. What to use to uncompress? When I used to work on UNIX systems you used a command called compress with different switches to do that or to uncompress. As usual one for the road, if those that are NOT a user nor a programmer would put in the Subject some thing like what I have installed would help MOA find the ones with the 'HOLD MY HAND' instructions and save me and I am sure many others much time searching for thingys that could be useful to me/us. cough, suggestion, zless. it'll probably be installed... failing that, gzip -dc filename | less Cheers, Brett or zcat filename.gz | more or, if you use gnome, 'gnome-help-browser /usr/share/doc/HOWTO'. Very useable. I've got a panel button for it :) Rich
Re: turning on X extensions with XFree86 4.0.x
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:46:17 Joshua N Pritikin wrote: i installed xserver-xfree86_4.0.3-4_i386.deb today, and simple things like the shaped window extension disappeared. xdpyinfo reports: number of extensions:8 LBX MIT-SHM SECURITY XC-APPGROUP XFree86-Bigfont XInputExtension XKEYBOARD XTEST However, i see a bunch of other goodies here: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libpex5.a /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/librecord.a /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libxie.a The man pages are not helpful; i'd prefer not to download the source code to research this. Is there some magic way to turn on these extensions? In /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 you will find a section like the following (copied from my config): Section Module Load GLcore Load dbe Load extmod Load fbdevhw Load pex5 Load dri Load glx Load type1 Load freetype # Load xtt Load speedo Load record Load xie EndSection
Re: Email line-length defaults to about 76; how to increase?
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:48:57 Jameson C . Burt wrote: My email lines get split after about 76 characters. How could I change this to something longer, or should email lines be split at 76 characters? This limit causes problems whenever I email Linux syslog lines, which are seldom less than even 90 characters in length. I haven't been able to determine if this line-length limit is set by exim, procmail, or perhaps my mail user agent (balsa). Balsa: Settings-Preferences-Mail Options-Outgoing :)
test, please delete
test of balsa (it stopped sending for some reason, while mutt works ;)
Re: mp3 players
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:47:12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all! I did a search for mp3 in the stable package list and got a number of players. Does anyone have any favorites? I'd like to hear people's opinions. which, if any, can copy CD tracks? thanks! xucaen grip (http://nostatic.org/grip) is a front end to several rippers and encoders. cdparanoia, lame, and oggenc are all supported. It makes ripping cds rather painless.
