Using a second monitor
Reply To: bobhilli...@gmail.com I use a second, larger monitor (my eyes are vary bad). My very old, failing Dell Inspiron would connect to the second monitor by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F8, and would remember that setting across reboots. It appeared to be a function of the hardware, mot the software.. I have a new Dell Ispiron that dual boots Windows 7 and Debian 7.4. The new machine uses the F1 key to connect to the second monitor, but it only works in Windows - In Debian pressing F! is a noop. Dell support say they can not support problems the are not in the machine or software shipped with the machine. Any assistance in getting Debian to display on the second monitor will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Bob Hilliard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caa5e6qvvcubwe9kloafz7ns2_h8gfxpqavjxc3jwgn8mzq1...@mail.gmail.com
Problem booting 2.6.8 kernel
I have built a 2.6.8 kernel, but booting it fails with the following message: VFS: Cannot open root device hda3 or unknown-block(0,0) Please append a correct root= boot option Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) The grub stanza used is: root (hd0,2) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 ro I have verified that ide support and both the ext2 and ext3 file systems are compiled into the kernel, not as modules. Where should I look for the problem? Regards, Bob -- _ |_) _ |_Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) 1294 S.W. Seagull Way [EMAIL PROTECTED] Palm City, FL 34990 USA GPG Key ID: 390D6559 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Command to determine resolution
Is there a command available in Debian to determine what resolution is being used in an X session? Please Cc: me on any replies. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) 1294 S.W. Seagull Way [EMAIL PROTECTED] Palm City, FL USA GPG Key ID: 390D6559 PGP Key ID: A8E40EB9
Can't start X after upgrade
After upgrading X to 4.0.1-7 yesterday, I get the following when I try to start X: bob:vc-11:bobstartx var: allowed_users, value: rootonly. var: nice_value, value: . /etc/X11/X is not executable giving up. xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. bob:vc-11:bob /etc/X11/X was a symlink to XF86_SVGA. Following the advice that was recently posted on the -devel list, I changed that link to: ln -s /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 /etc/X11/X After making that symlink, I get the same error message as before. Please Cc: me on any replies. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) 1294 S.W. Seagull Way [EMAIL PROTECTED] Palm City, FL USA GPG Key ID: 390D6559 PGP Key ID: A8E40EB9
Re: Finding a package name?
Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How do you find a packagename that's pretty long?
{0}:iggy:/rootdpkg -l | grep ^r
rc xfonts-biznet-iso-8859- 3.0.0-6 75 dpi BIZNET ISO-8859-2
fonts for X servers.
grep on the Packages file. On my machine, I have a file
available/potato.gz that is all of the potato package files
concatenated.
bob:vc-/1:bobzgrep Package: xfonts-biznet-iso-8859- available/potato.gz
Package: xfonts-biznet-iso-8859-2-100dpi
Package: xfonts-biznet-iso-8859-2-75dpi
Package: xfonts-biznet-iso-8859-2-base
Bob
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Re: root filesystem corrupted, can't log in
montefin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NOTE: If you get a large block of type that mentions a SUPERBLOCK error and tells you to do the '-b 8193' thing. Well, that's how you got that message, right? Instead I did this: e2fsck -r /dev/filesystemname (my /var looks like /dev/hda7 With e2fsprogs 1.18-3, the e2fsck manpage says: -r This option does nothing at all; it is provided only for backwards compatibility. What option did you intend to use? (I'm not flaming - I'm asking for information.) Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) 1294 S.W. Seagull Way [EMAIL PROTECTED] Palm City, FL USA PGP Key ID: A8E40EB9
Re: Apt wishlist WAS: Re: crypto patch (OT: ports tree)
Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --revision just sets an epoch, which is rather evil since it will think your package is newwer then ANY upgraded package unless the upgraded package has an epoch yours. The --revision flag in kernel-package only makes an epoch if you explicitly include an epoch in your revision number. Manoj's recommendation in the README is to use something like kernel-image-2.2.14_custom.2.0, which is not an epoch. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) 1294 S.W. Seagull Way [EMAIL PROTECTED] Palm City, FL USA PGP Key ID: A8E40EB9
Re: New installation - pump trouble
Daniel Lesage [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm thinking of yanking out pump, and replacing it with dhcpcd. For a client only, use dhcp-client Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) 1294 S.W. Seagull Way [EMAIL PROTECTED] Palm City, FL USA PGP Key ID: A8E40EB9
Re: PS/2 Mouse Port
The kernel must be compiled with PS/2 support (or the appropriate module loaded). The /etc/gpm.conf file should look something like: device=/dev/psaux responsiveness= type=ps2 append=-R # this line is needed to use a PS/2 mouse in X Your XF86Config file should contain a section like this: Section Pointer ProtocolMouseSystems Device /dev/gpmdata Emulate3Buttons Emulate3Timeout50 (This is only needed for PS/2 mice when gpm is run in both X and the console.) Bob On 20 Feb 1998, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William R. Ward) wrote: I'd appreciate any suggestions for 1) testing to see if my PS/2 port even works, 2) configuring Linux to find my PS/2 port, and/or 3) getting it to work with X. LocalWords: BayView COM LocalWords -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Missing Mouse Drivers
I have Logitech (serial) Trackball Model T-CC2-9F, which has worked in both rex and bo (also under Slackware) using the standared microsoft serial mouse driver (type=ms in the /etc/gpm.conf file). It also works with type=bare. I don't remember why I switched from bare to ms, but it did _not_ work with the Logitech (type=logi). I have no idea if the T-CA1 is similar, but it won't hurt to try. Bob John Lowenstein wrote: Brian White wrote: work. I have a Logitech Trackball T-CA1- SN: LU519100659. Logitech does not support Linux, so I am stuck. On plugging in a (borrowed) Genius Hi Mouseworks mouse, this works immediately. Is there a separate driver for my trackball or do I have to purchase a new mouse? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
dpkg handling of configuration files
Chapter 9 of the Packaging Manual describes Automatic handling of configuration files by dpkg. Essentially, this boils down to: If neither the user nor the package maintainer has changed the file, it is left alone. If one or the other has changed their version, then the changed version is preferred . . . If both have changed their version the user is prompted about the problem and must resolve the differences themselves. Almost every time I run dselect to upgrade, I get the message about confiles created by you or a script, and asking me to select which to keep. In many cases, these are files that have not been changed since installation, in fact, in many cases they are files I didn't even know existed. As I understand the packaging manual, dselect should silently leave this alone, or if the package maintainer has changed the script, silently install the new one. This is annoying, and I would like to file a bug when it occurs, but I don't know if this a bug in dpkg or in the package being updated. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Cloning a Debian hard drive
I've had very good success with cp -ax. The x makes it Skip subdirectories that are on different filesystems from the one that the copy started on, so you have to create the /proc mount point on the new system. (proc is a virtual file system, provided by the kernel, so you don't have to worry about the contents of it.) I wouldn't dare to assert that cp is the *best* method. It is pretty much a religious matter! There are a number of other satisfactory methods, some using find and tar, that are advocated forcefully by others. Bob On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Randy Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 2.5 gig IDE hard drive all set up and happily running Bo. I'd like to clone this drive onto another to move the new drive into a different computer and save reinstalling/configuring Debian. I've toyed with the idea of using cp, and also of using tar. However, could someone point me in the direction (details would be nice too:-) of the *best* technique to do this? Thanks in advance. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Monitoring ppp0 Packets
Try /usr/sbin/pppstats, from the ppp package. Bob On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Ian Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know if there is a way where I can monitor the number of ppp0 packets transmitted and received as a continuous update on the screen. Similar to the way the tail command will show the last entries in a file as they happen. I know I can use ifconfig to show the number at an instant, but I do not know how to do this on a continuous basis. Thanks Ian -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
timezones 2.0.7pre1-1 is broken
When I updated my hamm system tonight from my local mirror, timezones was updated to 2.0.7pre1-1. It removed the setting GMT= from wherever it belongs in hamm. (It was in /etc/init.d/boot pre-hamm, but I haven't looked for it before now that /etc/init.d/boot is no longer used. I inserted GMT= near the top of /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh, and it works, but that probably isn't the correct place. Where should it be? When I run the date command, I get the following: Thu Feb 12 22:40:27 /etc/localtime 1998 There is no file /etc/localtime, which I suppose should contain my time zone, which tzconfig says (correctly) is EST5EDT. dpkg -L shows that timezones includes the directory /usr/doc/timezones, but no files in that directory. A listing of this directory shows: bob:vc-2:bobls /usr/doc/timezones BUGS.gz NOTES.gz ChangeLog.gz PROJECTS.gz ChangeLog.linuxthreads.gzREADME.Xfree3.2.linuxthreads.gz ChangeLog.localedata.gz README.crypt.gz Changes.linuxthreads.gz README.gz FAQ.Debian.gzREADME.linuxthreads.gz FAQ.gz README.localedata.gz INSTALL.gz changelog.Debian.gz NEWS.gz copyright Many of these files, but not all, are related to glibc, and none seem related to timezones. Are these known problems with this version of timezones, or should I file a bug report? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Missing .so files
Before I upgrade from bo to hamm, ldconfig showed three warnings. This situation has been inherited by my hamm system. The ldconfig message is: bob:vc-2:bobldconfig ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout/libvga.so.1 (No such file or directory), skipping ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libf2c_i2.so.2 (No such file or directory), skipping ldconfig: warning: can't open /lib/libtermcap.so.2 (No such file or directory), skipping The first of these _is_ nonexistent; the other two are symlinks pointing to nonexistent files /usr/lib/libf2c_i2.so.2.1 and /lib/libtermcap.so.2.0.8 respectively. I would like to get rid of this warning from ldconfig. Are there packages I can remove or install so as to satisfy ldconfig? dpkg -S can't locate the package these files come from. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hamm upgrade woes
On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, you wrote: Many packages didn't install, and some could not be removed (timezone, wg15-locale, etc). I manually removed the packages the script didn't, then ran autoup.sh again, What version of autoup.sh did you use? The most recent is v0.19. The problems you describe are similar to ones that we encountered prior to about v0.14. Did you run script to record the session, or did you note the exact error messages? It would be helpful to have this information. By manually removing the files that it failed to remove, and rerunning the script, you appear to have completed the script successfully. If all the packages that the script lists for removal have been removed, and all the package that the script lists for installation have been installed, your system should be stable, and the balance of the upgrade can be handled by dselect. Eventually, the script completed, and I was ready to upgrade via dselect using ftp. More problems ensued. I'm being told that packages I want are not found, even though the option to update available packages worked. Can someone give me specific paths to specify in dselect for ftp upgrade? The directory structure for hamm is different from that used earlier. The paths for dselect are dists/unstable/main/binary-i386, dists/unstable/non-free/binary-i386, and dists/unstable/contrib/binary-i386. I want to convert my system to Hamm, but I can't complete, and I'm afraid to shutdown or reboot for fear it may not come back up. Are there packages that run under Bo that won't under Hamm? (xloadimage, etc?). Which libraries must I have to run X-windows, gimp, etc, and which libraries must NOT be loaded to avoid conflicts? I suggest you let dselect update its package list using the paths mentioned above, enter the select phase and resolve any conflicts it shows, then let it install everything it has marked for installation. I recommend that you wait until after this step to select any more packages. It will probably be necessary to make several passes (usually 2 or 3, but sometimes half a dozen) through the install - configure cycle to satisfy dependencies. If you use the dpkg-mountable option (highly recommended if you have a local mirror), it will probably show some predepends that must be resolved manually before it starts the actual installation. With the dpkg-mountable option, it is necessary to run the update phase after each install phase. After this, you should have the necessary run time libraries installed. The descriptions in dselect or in /var/lib/dpkg/available list the libraries that are required for the various packages. In general, dselect will take care of those for you. I see that several people have told you about dpkg -l to get a list of packages installed on your system. Have fun, Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: timezones 2.0.7pre1-1 is broken
On 13 Feb 1998 14:04:59 +0100 you wrote: I inserted GMT= near the top of /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh, and it works, but that probably isn't the correct place. Where should it be? /etc/default/rcS. It even has a manpage rcS(5) ! Thanks, Mike. I was familiar with the /etc/rcS.d scripts, but hadn't heard about /etc/default/rc.S. That answers a lot of questions I have had about the boot process in hamm. When I looked in /etc/default/rc.S I saw that GMT was still null, as it always has been. I don't understand why the newly installed timezone assumed it was utc until I made the change in /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh, and then executed it. (I have removed the GMT definition from hwclock.sh now that I now where it belongs.) That's /usr/share/zoneinfo. You can run `tzconfig' to setup your local timezone. (It should have been run automatically - and it has in my setup). During installation, there was a message saying my timezone was EST5EDT, and advising me to run tzconfig if I wanted to change it. I do have a /usr/share/zoneinfo directory, but I also have /usr/doc/timezone, (listed below) which is identical to /usr/doc/libc6. I don't understand this. The dpkg -L list shows timezones as containing this directory, but not the files included in it. It is a bug if timezones doesn't have a manpage, and the contents of this directory are also a bug. bob:vc-2:bobls /usr/doc/timezones BUGS.gz NOTES.gz ChangeLog.gz PROJECTS.gz ChangeLog.linuxthreads.gzREADME.Xfree3.2.linuxthreads.gz ChangeLog.localedata.gz README.crypt.gz Changes.linuxthreads.gz README.gz FAQ.Debian.gzREADME.linuxthreads.gz FAQ.gz README.localedata.gz INSTALL.gz changelog.Debian.gz NEWS.gz copyright Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Modem
The device equivalent to /dev/cua1 is /dev/ttyS2. (In linux, as in other unices, the serial device numbering starts at 0, so /dev/ttyS1 is the same serial port as COM2 in DOS.) The use of the /dev/cua? devices is deprecated, I believe because of locking inconsistencies. Bob On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 Pete Poff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Supporters, I have the program minicom on my computer and I need to know how to tell what the name of my modem is under the /dev or how I can find it. The default that came with the program was something like /dev/cua1 but it couldn't find that file name. Also can any of you tell me where I can get the pico editer program? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Modem /dev/cua vs /dev/ttyS
Maybe someone more knowledgable can answer this, I can't. I have never had any problems with /dev/ttyS? devices in a script. I have been hearing that /dev/cua? devices are deprecated for years, and they haven't been included in the debian distribution since rex. Bob On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Steve Hsieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use of /dev/cua? may be deprecated, but I can't get scripts to work with /dev/ttyS?, only /dev/cua?. Can anone explain why? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Dselect with floppy
This is the error message that is generated if you try to mount the drive without a floppy in it. The floppy must be in the drive before it is mounted, and should not be removed before it is unmounted. Bob On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Stefan Palm wrote: I've just installed debian (kernel 2.0.29) on an IBM ThinkPad 360 which neither has a CD-ROM nor a network connection (yet). Therefore I wanted to use dselect with the floppy drive (/dev/fd0 - msdos), but when I try to install new *.deb-files I get the following error message: end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 sector 0 mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Numlock in an xterm
I have a script in /etc/init.d that runs /usr/bin/setleds -D +num to set the numlock on. How can I get the same result in an xterm? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: libc6 upgrade script?
On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, I sent a message to the testing list and to
Craig noting that I had found two bugs that cause v0.17 of autoup to
fail. I included diffs from v0.17 to my v0.18. As of yesterday, both
Craig's ftp site and yours still had v0.17.
If you wish, I can send these diffs to you, but I would prefer to
have Craig maintain this script to avoid the confusion that has
occurred in the base with version skew.
Bob
On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Scott Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, dpk wrote:
I'm feeling kind of sassy today, and thought I might try upgrading to
hamm. I have seen a script posted that help do this. I still have it
somewhere, however I was wondering where I could find the most recent
version of this and instructions/tips for using it?
{http,ftp}://stormcrow.ml.org/pub/debian/autoup/
Also read http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/
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Boot and base disks packaging
It is difficult to sort out the various files pertaining to a new installation from the long list of files on Incoming. It would be helpful if all of these files could be combined into three .tgzfiles - one tarball containing all files for 1.2mb disks, one for 1.44 mb disks, and the base2_0.tgz as presently distributed. A version number, probably a date-based version number, should be included in the tar files name. During the bo testing phase, we sometimes had several new versions released in a day. I am thinking of this primarily as an aid to the testers during the pre-release pahse. Whether or not this packaging would be desirable permanently would be open to discussion. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: fips equivalent for ext2?
I assume you have disk space available, either on another partition or available to partition. Assuming that the new partition is to be /dev/hdxn. As root, you should do the following: 1. fdisk /dev/hdx Use p to see the existing partition arrangement, then, if it doesn't already exist, use n to create a partition for /home. This partition does not have to be on the same drive as the rest of the system. 2. mkfs.ext2 /dev/hdxn 3. mount /dev/hdxn /mnt (or any other convenient mount point) 4. cd /home 5. cp -a /home /mnt 6. umount /mnt 7. mount -t ext2 /dev/hdxn /home (Note that this does not damage the existing files on /home.) 8. create an entry in /etc/fstab that will mount this new home partition on /home. After testing this setup, and being satisfied that nothing is missing from the new home directory, you may reclaim the disk space from your old /home directory as follows: 1. umount /home 2. rm -fr /home (This irretrievably destroys all files from the old /home directory.) 3. mkdir /home 4. mount /home Bob On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Ulisses Alonso Camaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a system with many users with /home mounted on the root partition. I would to avoid this, my root partition fulls the system, and I would like to try something different than reinstall the the system with a different partition layout. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: fips equivalent for ext2?
I'm sorry, but I don't know how to solve your problem if you don't have any free disk space. Perhaps someone else on the list will have some ideas. Bob On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Ulisses Alonso Camaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Robert D. Hilliard wrote: I assume you have disk space available, either on another ^^ Sorry my poor english, I looking something like fips because I have no such space... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Network config -- slip + null modem
Thanks very much for your responses. All responders recommended using ppp instead of slip. I will try a ppp setup tonight. I started trying to use slip because the NET-3-HOWTO recommends it in this situation. Is that advice now obsolete? John says: If this works I suggest upping the speed to 115200 and adding compression. As I understand it, 38400 is the highest speed that may be set directly. To get 115200 one must specify 38400, and use the spd_vhi option to setserial. Is this correct, or can the higher speed be set directly by pppd? Lindsay and Gregory: I have a couple of suggested files. If I have trouble getting it to work, I will ask you for the files you offered. Thanks again for your prompt and helpful responses. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Compression over null-modem connection (Was Re: Network config -- slip + null modem
Lindsay Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One small point. You can get compression from a modem but it is very difficult to get compression over a piece of wire. :-) I believe compression from a modem is actually software compression implemented by the modem's ROM, while BSD compression is software compression implemented by the kernel. It seems to me that BSD compression should work over any ppp line, regardless of whether it went through a modem or not. Correct me if I'm wrong. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Network config -- slip + null modem
(My original post, requesting assistance configuring slip over a null modem, and the responses recommending ppp instead are omitted to save bandwidth.) Thanks again to all. My link is now working perfectly. The pppd man page mentions the tty_name option as requiring pppd to make a ppp connection using the specified device, but does not mention that pppd will then read the file /etc/ppp. README.linux and the comments in the file /etc/ppp/options.ttyXX included with the distribution document this, but I think the manpage should cover it as well. I am still puzzled about my failure with the slip method described in the NET-3-HOWTO, and why the HOWTO doesn't mention this simple ppp method. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Network config -- slip + null modem
I am trying, so far unsuccessfully, to connect two linux boxes with a null modem cable and slip, following the directions in the NET-3-HOWTO. One machine, bobspc, is a Micron Pentium-166 that is my primary computer, while the other, zeos, is an old 486DX-33 with a new no-name motherboard. Bobspc has internet access through a dialup ppp connection. Zeos has no network connection presently, and I want to connect the two machines in order to use zeos as a backup for bobspc. Both machines are running bo (1.3.1r6), and a 2.0.32 kernel and bash version 2.00.0(1)-release. Following are the relevant configuration files: /etc/hosts - bobspc 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.0.1 bobspc bobspc.estar.net 192.168.0.2 zeoszeos.estar.net /etc/hosts - zeos 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.0.2 zeoszeos.estar.net 192.168.0.1 bobspc bobspc.estar.net I created a file /etc/init.d/local_net with the following: /sbin/slattach -p cslip -s 19200 /dev/ttyS0 /sbin/ifconfig sl0 192.168.0.1 pointopoint 192.168.0.2 up This file is run from /etc/init.d/boot after /etc/rc.boot/0setserial is run. During bootup the following messages are displayed: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device SIOCSIFDSTADDR: No such device ifconfig sl0 gives no response, and ps -ax doesn't show an slattach process. Running /etc/init.d/local_net a second time (after booting is complete) gives the same messages; ifconfig sl0 still gives no response, but ps -ax now includes the line: 201 1 S 0:00 /sbin/slattach -p cslip -s 19200 /dev/ttyS0 Trying to telnet from one machine to the other gives the following results: root:vc-1:~telnet zeos Trying 192.168.0.2... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable A ping command gives similar results. What am I missing? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
Script (/usr/bin/script from the bsdutils package) will make a transcript of a dselect session, regardless of the install method being used. See man script for details. Bob On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the output of dselect logged somewhere? This woud help much, because most of the errors are not even readable when hushing over the screen. no, not with the standard mounted method. they should be logged. but they aren't. there is another install method called mountable which logs everything to /var/log/dpkg-mountable. dpkg-mountable has several other advantages too (e.g. much faster that mounted), so it's worth installing. you can find it in the admin/ subdirectory of the debian archive (or just install it with dselect). if you're using the ftp method to install/upgrade debian then dpkg-mountable won't be any use to you at all. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: max mount count?
David Z. Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can change this number using tune2fs(8) (in the e2fsprogs package). If you want to see what the current settings are for this, and other disk parameters, use dumpe2fs /dev/hd__|less as root, inserting your disk designator. Piping through less is essential, since dumpe2fs dumps 15 - 30 screens of data, depending on the size of the file system. dumpe2fs is also from the e2fsprogs package. AFIK, there is no single program that displays these disk parameters and allows you to change them. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: shell program menu
My local freenet (SEFLIN) uses lynx as the login shell for users, with a menu displayed on login. The 'G' command in lynx is disabled, thus restricting users to accessing only directories on the parent machine and web sites that are included in the menu or sub-menus. Bob On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:59:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, [ Sorry if this is not debian specific.] Hi, I would like to implement a shell program (preferebly in C programming.) where our users if they telnet to us, they would be given a menu instead of a shell. They just press 1 they get pine. They press 2 they get the vi editor, and so on and so forth. Is there a package for debian or anyone could point me to the right direction where I could get the script or whatever. regards, == == Andre M. Varon Lasaltech Incorporated == == Technical Head Fax-Tel: (034)435-0836 == = == ==== == E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] == WebPage : www.lasaltech.com/andre.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Bug#15854 should be release-critical (was Re: buzz upgrade report)
It sounds like you are talking about Bug#15854. On 11 Dec 1997 the maintainer's response to the bug report included a patch to fix it, which he said would be included in perl 5.004.04-4. My rex system contains non-empty directories that trigger this problem, but my bo system does not. I don't know if some bo systems have them, or if all rex systems do. It may depend on the upgrade history of a particular box. As of last night, perl 5.004.04-4 was not on ftp.debian.org. I believe this should be considered a release-critical bug, as it can break the auto upgrade script, leaving a system in an unstable state. Bob On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:31:32 +1100, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except that perl's postinst tries to clean up the mess in /usr/lib/perl5/i486-linux but fails, so the postinst fails and therefore the configuration of a whole lot of other packages fails too. I will file a bug report. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: *-* auto-upgrade from rex to hamm
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:49:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked: does rex = rexx (script language found in OS/2 amongst others) No. What are hamm and bo? They are code names for versions. Debian normally has two (three for a brief period after the release of a new version) distributions available on the ftp site and mirrors - the most recent stable version, and the unstable version that is in the development process. Code names are assigned to these versions that do not change when the version graduates from unstable to stable. Buzz is the code name for the version that was released as 1.1, rex is the name for version 1.2, bo refers to the current stable version 1.3, and is the code name for the current unstable version that will be released as 2.0 in the near future (hopefully). The advantage of the code names is that the same code name is attached to a version throughout its lifespan. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
*-* auto-upgrade from rex to hamm
I believe it is desirable for debian to provide a painless upgrade route from rex to hamm, without first upgrading to bo. Last month I experimented with a manual upgrade of a rex filesysem to hamm, following Scott Ellis's Mini-HOWTO. There were problems (see my testing report of 12/18/97), but I was able to achieve a working hamm system. I have tested Craig Sanders' autoup script to upgrade from bo to hamm, and it worked flawlessly. When I tried to use this script to upgrade from rex, I encountered a number of problems that do not occur in bo. I have modified the script to solve these problems. A copy of this modified script, updated to reflect v.10 of the original, is attached. The first problem encountered in running the original script on a rex system is replacing timezone with timezones. timezone 7.48-3 in rex is tagged as Essential: yes and Priority: required, while the version in bo is Priority: required, but not essential. dpkg refuses to remove timezone 7.48-3 in favor of timezones. The solution is to dpkg --force-remove-essential -r timezone before installing PKGS_LIBC6. Similarly, xmanpages 3.2-1 (in rex) depends on xlib6-dev, so xlib6-dev can not be removed until xmanpages is removed. (This should never have _deoended_ on xlib6-dev. xmanpages 3.3-4 (in bo) corrects this by making xmanpages _recommend_ xlib6-dev. rex includes ldso 1.8.5-1, and the upgrade replaces it with ldso_1.9.6-2. libc6_2.0.6-2, which is installed in the upgrade, pre-depends on ldso (= 1.8.10-1), so dpkg refuses to upgrade libc6 until the new ldso is configured. The solution is to install ldso in one dpkg command line, and libc6 in another, thus ensuring that ldso is configured before trying to install libc6. perl 5.003.07-6 in rex conflicts with perl-base, so when dpkg starts to install the perl-base, it wants to remove the old perl. In order to do so it must de-configure anything that depends on perl. After perl-base is set up, dpkg cannot reconfigure these packages because perl is not present. The next command installs perl, but does not configure the previously de-configured packages. The solution was to remove the exit-on-error code from the perl-base and perl installation commands, and add dpkg --configure --pending following the perl installation. This left two packages, perl-debug and perl-suid unconfigured because they depend on perl (= 5.003.07-6). The solution was to remove those packages early in the script. Until such time as perl_5.004.04-4.deb is included in hamm, this will not work on my rex system without patching the perl.postinst, due to Bug#15854. In this bug file the maintainer has provided a patch for this postinst, which will be included in perl_5.004.04-4.deb. The effect of this bug apparently depends upon the history of perl installation in the file system. The problem lines in the postinst attempt to remove certain supposedly empty directories, and the script fails if these directories are no empty. These directories are not empty in my rex system, but do not exist in my bo system. * *Script Follows * * #! /bin/sh #autoup-rex - Script to upgrade a rex machine to hamm # based on Craig Sanders' script to upgrade bo==hamm DPKG=$(which dpkg) LDCONFIG=$(which ldconfig) # uncomment for debugging #set -x #DPKG=echo dpkg #LDCONFIG=echo LDCONFIG # upgrade a libc5 (rex) machine to libc6 (hamm). # based on Scott Ellis' excellent Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO # document at http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.html # Author: Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Copyright Status: This script is hereby placed in the public domain # # Revision History: # v0.0: 1998-01-08 (morning) # - a rough transcript of scott's doc and my own experiences # v0.1: 1998-01-08 (night) # - a few bugfixes # - i got unlazy and put in the right subdirectories for each package. # should run a lot faster. # - now checks for failure at critical points and exits with a different # exit code for each failure. # - now uses 'binary-$(dpkg --print-installation-architecture)' instead # of 'binary-i386'. # v0.2: 1998-01-09 # - fixed the perl-base/perl install (thanks Lindsay!) # - improved the DEVPACKAGES=$(dpkg --get-selections...) and added -dbg # packages. # v0.3: 1998-01-09 (p.m.) # - fixed some directories # - changed -iB to -iBE so that if the script fails and is run again # it will not disturb things already in place. # - added a final dpkg --configure --pending. # - sanity check that we are in the right place added # v0.4: 1998-01-10 (Igor Grobman) # - made it possible to place all packages in current dir. # - added -pic packages to removal list. # - make sure dpkg-dev does not get selected for removal. # - moved dpkg-ftp and dpkg-mounted to the end. #v0.5: 1998-01-10 (Igor Grobman) # - added a note about upgrading libraries #v0.6:
Re: *-* auto-upgrade from rex to hamm
On Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:30:37 +1100 (EST) you wrote: i released v0.11 of the script a few hours ago, so you'll probably want to update your rex version to that. Agreed. I received it 5 minutes after I sent my message! on a more general note, i think it would be better for my version and your rex version to be merged into one script. At first I thought this wasn't very practical, since the rex update is messier than the bo update. I now think it would be feasible, and will give it a try. I should post something on this soon. In the change log to v0.11, you said: # - fixed potential globbing problem reported by Kirk Hilliard # [EMAIL PROTECTED] # - fixed 'or just hit enter to use $DEFAULT' problem reported by # Robert D. Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED]. there must be a # Hilliard Conspiracy :-) ^^ You are correct. My son Kirk is visiting me, and has his computer setup about 5 feet from mine. I was bit (not very hard - these bugs are very gentle) by both of these bugs. Kirk diagnosed the potential globbing problem, and e-mailed you about it. When I found the other a little later, and then sent you a message. Looking back in my script files, I see that the $DEFAULT problem had been evident every time I tested another version of the script, but I had never noticed it. :-) It is interesting that you ran v0.8 on a rex system without problems. I think that points out that the upgrade behavior of the script depends to a great extent on which packages are installed, so there is no guarantee that it will run error free on all systems. I have partitions with rex and bo file systems, respectively, on them, and another partition that will ultimately be my working hamm system. For testing, I copy one of my systems to the hamm partition with cp -ax. After completing a test, I wipe it out and start over for the next test. I started last month with 1.2.18 on the /rex system. During testing of a manual upgrade, following the Mini-Howto, I managed to delete the -dev files, and some others, on my rex partition. I rebuilt rex from a Cheapbytes 1.2.4 CD. For test purposes, I installed a lot of packages, especially development ones, that I don't normally use. This may be why I have encountered more incompatible packages than you did. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Mailing Listmaster Address
All debian mailing lists affix the following to all messages: TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . IIRC, Pete Templin stepped down from the task of listmaster several months ago, but I don't remember who took it over. Isn't it tiem to update the last line of this message? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Upgrade script, bo to hamm
The obvious question (please don't take offense) is: Did you start ppp before entering dselect? dselect, or rather dpkg-ftp, will attempt to make an ftp connection, but assumes that a ppp connection is up. It does not check, AFAIK, to see if there is such a connection. Bob On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, IBMackey wrote: Problem - dselect refuses to connect by ftp to sites. To be more precise, Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org ... FTP ERROR -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: fetchmail fails with smtp error
On Mon, 05 Jan 1998, Daniel Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think I've heard odd things about networking on hamm not knowing about localhost - tell me, is localhost mentioned in /etc/hosts? Can you telnet to localhost? What does /etc/host.conf look like? /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost 0.0.0.0 bobspc bobspc.metrolink.net /etc/host.conf: order hosts,bind multi on I have successfully tested telnet localhost with three levels of recursion. However, since this was an upgrade from rex to hamm, the network configuration was not done by hamm. My original problem was fixed by following the suggestion by Scott Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED], as follows: Yep, the latest smail package messes up if you want it installed in /etc/inetd.conf instead of as a daemon. Uncomment the line in inetd.conf and HUP inetd. However fixing that so that smtp was available revealed another problem. smail didn't know about localhost, and put all incoming mail in the queue to be sent back to the sender as [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an unknown address. I fixed this by adding localhost to the third line of /etc/smail/config, making the first section read: visible_name=metrolink.net -domains hostnames=bobspc:localhost This is in the hamm partition; in my bo partition it still works fine with hostnames=bobspc. This suggests that what you've heard about networking on hamm not knowing about localhost is true, and perhaps smail is the problem. It doesn't appear to be due to a /etc/hosts being misconfigured. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: fetchmail fails with smtp error
Thanks, Scott, it works as advertised now. I have now checked and find that it is Bug#16147. I would never have suspected smail of being the culprit. Bob On Mon, 5 Jan 1998 Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, the latest smail package messes up if you want it installed in /etc/inetd.conf instead of as a daemon. Uncomment the line in inetd.conf and HUP inetd. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
pppd -- Sorry - this system lacks PPP kernel support
Greg Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, now it says System Lacks PPP Kernel Support. Hi Greg! Make sure that /dev/modem is a link to ttyS1, and not ttys1. ^ ^ Whatever ttys1 is, if it is pointed to by /dev/modem, or if it is mentioned directly in /etc/ppp/options, pppd will give the message: Sorry - this system lacks PPP kernel support This sounds like a bug to me. Does anyone here understand why pppd would give such a deceptive error message? Kirk Hilliard (using my Dad's account since ghoti.com is still down) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
fetchmail fails with smtp error
On my hamm system, fetchmail fails with the following message: bob:vc-2:bobfetchmail fetchmail: 29 messages at [EMAIL PROTECTED] reading message 1 (4310 bytes) ..fetchmail: SMTP connect to (null) failed fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from post.metrolink.net I have installed fetchmail_4.3.4-1.deb, ppp_2.3.2-2.deb, a custom-compiled 2.0.32 kernel, and bash_2.01-5.deb. My .fetchmailrc file is: poll post.metrolink.net proto pop3 user hilliard password mypw smtp localhost I have used this .fetchmailrc file in bo for at least six months with no difficulties. (The man page in hamm lists smtphost instead of smtp; I tried this without effect.) Has anyone encountered this? Does anyone know what is wrong? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: HELP: dpkg
From: Albert Hurd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe there is only one underscore in the file name. Try xisp_2.1-1.deb ^ Bob On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Albert Hurd writes: I tried dpkg -i (and cp) on xisp_2_1-1(1).deb and got the following message: ^ syntax error near unexpected token `xisp_2_1-1(1' -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Is HP Office Jet Series 500 All In One Printer Supported?
I have been given an HP Office Jet Series 500, Model 500 All in One combination printer, fax, copier, scanner. Is anyone successfully using this model printer under Linux? If so, what driver do you use? Thanks. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Minor error installing login_970616-1
While testing the upgrading of rex to hamm I have discovered several problems or possible bugs. I will post each of these as separate messages, and ask if anyone else has encountered them, and if they should be reported as bugs. The perl system contained login 1.45a-3, which was replaced with login_970616-1 by dselect /dpkg. When the new login was being setup, it displayed the message: Installing new version of config file /etc/securetty ... and hung. It was necessary to use ^C to re-start the installation, and it displayed: dpkg: error processing login (--install): subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt) A second run of dselect (I)nstall reinstalled login with no error messages. The file /etc/securetty contains two copies of the five line message that login.postinst prepends to it. This is a minor error, but having dselect hang in mid installation is a bit disconcerting. I am using bash v2.01-5, a custom compiled kernel v2.0.27, and dpkg v1.4.0.8. I can see nothing in login.postinst that looks as if it should cause the process to hang. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Missing fsck
While testing the upgrading of rex to hamm I have discovered several problems or possible bugs. I will post each of these as separate messages, and ask if anyone else has encountered them, and if they should be reported as bugs. The rex system had e2fsprogs v1.06-3 installed, and version 1.10-9 was selected for installation. e2fslibsg was also selected for installation. e2fslibsg conflicts with e2fsprogs (= 1.10-7), so dselect removed e2fsprogs v1.06-3. In the process, the selection of 1.10-9 was lost, so that the message Skipping deselected package e2fsprogs. was issued when it reached that program. The installation finished without an fsck, which would prevent normal booting. I had encountered this problem in an earlier test, and was not sure if I had made the correct choices in the dselect (S)elect phase, so I re-ran the installation, being very careful about my choices. An experienced user can repair this problem, but it would be devastating to a new user. The packages involved seem to declare their dependencies correctly, so the problem appears to be in dpkg/dselect. Since dependencies are routinely handled correctly by these programs, I don't understand what could cause this isolated problem. Comments? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Minor error installing login_970616-1
OOPS - staring at this console too long! I ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert D. Hilliard)) wrote: The perl system contained login 1.45a-3 . . . __ should read rex system Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Dselect stops and repeats unpacking of packages
While testing the upgrading of rex to hamm I have discovered several problems or possible bugs. I will post each of these as separate messages, and ask if anyone else has encountered them, and if they should be reported as bugs. During the installation, dselect stopped with the following message: dpkg: too many errors, stopping, followed by a list of packages that had installation errors. The errors dselect complained about were primarily dependency problems related to the package ordering. These are routine in dselect, and I have never before seen dselect stop because of them. After (I)nstall was re-started, it displayed the usual message Running dpkg -iGROEB, but it acted as if the -E option was not in effect in many cases. There were 218 instances similar to the following: Preparing to replace smail 3.2.0.92-1 (using .../mail/smail_3.2.0.92-1.deb) .. Unpacking replacement smail ... and 81 instances similar to the following: Version 5.004.04-3 of perl already installed, skipping. Although the packages were unpacked a second time in 218 instances, none of the questions regarding keeping or replacing confiles were repeated this time. This unnecessary copying files from the archive and unpacking them was not harmful, but wasted a lot of time. I have never before seen this behavior from dselect. Is it a new feature, or is it a bug? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
dselect/dpkg dependency problems
While testing the upgrading of rex to hamm I have discovered several problems or possible bugs. I will post each of these as separate messages, and ask if anyone else has encountered them, and if they should be reported as bugs. Timezone: Version 7.48-3 of timezone was installed and timezones version 2.0.5c-0.1 was selected for installation. timezones replaces and conflicts with timezone. However, dselect reported: dpkg: regarding .../base/timezones_2.0.5c-0.1.deb containing timezones: timezones conflicts with timezone timezone (version 7.48-3) is installed. dpkg: error processing /debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/base\ /timezones_2.0.5c-0.1.deb (--install): conflicting packages - not installing timezones Is this correct behavior on the part of dpkg? It should be possible to upgrade, even if the package name is changed, without having to use --force. Libnet: In hamm, libnet-perl replaces, provides, and conflicts with libnet. However, with libnet-perl selected, dselect left previously installed libnet marked for install, under Obsolete/local Optional packages. I manually deselected libnet before running the (I)nstall phase of dselect, so I don't know what dpkg would have done if it had been allowed to run. libnet-perl properly declares the replace, provide, and conflict. Comments? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Perl installation problem
While testing the upgrading of rex to hamm I have discovered several problems or possible bugs. I will post each of these as separate messages, and ask if anyone else has encountered them, and if they should be reported as bugs. While updating perl 5.003.07-10 using perl_5.004.04-3.deb, I first installed perl-base_5.004.04-3.deb, then perl_5.004.04-3.deb. This resulted in the following error: dpkg: error processing perl (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 123 The perl.postinst script was examined, and the effects of the commands in this script were checked. The symlinks and directories to be created by this file existed, and the directories to be removed were not there. A dummy perl.postinst was prepared, and perl configured successfully by dpkg. I am using bash 2.01-5, and a custom compiled kernel 2.0.27. This problem is reproducible, at least on my system. I have The problem appears to be in the last command in perl.postinst: find /usr/lib/perl5/i486-linux -type d -links 2 -print0 | xargs -r0 rmdir -p 2 /dev/null fi # the last will remove all the directories that are now empty or will be empty when the empty subdirs disappear This command is intended to remove any empty subdirectories in /usr/lib/perl5/i486-linux. On my system, this find command returns three non-empty directories, which the rm command properly refuses to remove. So far so good. However, since the script is set -e, this causes it to exit immediately with a non-zero exit status [1]. IMHO, the -e option should be unset prior to this command, and another error trapping approach used that does not cause the script to fail when the rm command acts properly. As a test, I have removed the output redirection from this script and inserted echo statements before and after the find command in question. The echo statement immediately before the find command is executed, but the script exits before executing the second echo command. Has anyone else encountered this failure in perl? Should it be reported as a bug against perl? [1] The -e option does not cause a script to exit if the command that fails . . . is part of an if statement. I am not sure if this means part of an if . . . then construct, or just part of the conditions of the if statement, but I believe it is the latter. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Partitioning
Gertjan Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ . . .] * All non-DOS partitions are completely ignored. This includes OS/2's hidden DOS partitions. [ . . . ] An interesting anomaly is that the DOS command fdisk /status will (sometimes?) show Linux partitions with DOS drive letters. These do not show when fdisk is run for the specific partition however. This has no bearing on the original discussion, however. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Wow, and some questions
On 14 Jun 1997, Alan Woo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I am incredibly knowledgable in Win95/NT. will i be able to run both Operating Systems if i partition my hdd? You have received several useful suggestions about installing LILO so as to be able to boot either OS. Another alternative that is available is to place loadlin in a DOS directory. You can boot W95 directly in DOS and run loadlin to boot linux. I have seen many questions on this list about lilo problems, but have never heard of any problems using loadlin. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
libbfd2.8.1 - duplicate packages?
Hamm includes both libbfd2.8.1_2.8.1-2.deb and libbfd2.8.1.0.15_2.8.1.0.15-1.deb. Neither indicates and replaces or conflicts. Are these two versions of the same package, or are they independent? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO - purging -dev packages
Section 3. of the Mini-HOWTO says: If you wish to do libc6 development, you should first purge all the '-dev' packages on your system Please confirm that this does not include dpkg-dev_1.4.0.19.deb, which was installed under Section 2.3. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: truncating files
From the bash manpage: noclobber If set, bash does not overwrite an existing file with the , , and redirection operators. This variable may be overridden when creating output files by using the redirection operator | instead of (see also the -C option to the set builtin command). Bob On Sun, 7 Dec 1997,William R Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I use set -C in bash, so I can't say foo if foo exists wthout first saying set +C. | foo overrides the noclobber option Don't you mean !, not |?? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: truncating files
1) I use set -C in bash, so I can't say foo if foo exists wthout first saying set +C. | foo overrides the noclobber option Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dunc pppd configuration script
On 05 Dec 1997 16:24:10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard G. Roberto writes: I also want to address this issue about standard options file locations. It is impossible to manage multiple ppp options sets in the same file unless the option requirements are identicle. ... I personally have three different connection requirements and use dunc/dppp to manage them. It should be possible to handle this with a seperate provider file for each isp (pon would need to be revised, or the user told to type 'pppd call isp'). If the object is to lead a new user through a simple ppp configuration from the base install script, I question whether it is worthwhile making it handle multiple connections. The user who requires multiple configurations is probably sophisticated enough to handle it himself. But most people are their own sysadmins. I agree that dialing out should not require root, but initial configuration of ppp is as much system administration as is setting up an ethernet connection. I don't think I'd want my users accidentally mucking around on their system as root -- especially if they're connecting from home! The last thing I need to do is start making house calls. I believe all, or almost all, networks have Internet connectivity and mail systems that have been set up by the sysadmin, so users on such systems shouldn't have to configure ppp. This tool is aimed at the new user who is migrating from DOS/Windows, and has one box with one or two users. . . . I also need examples of working chat scripts, both for the major national isp's, and for locals that require really bizarre stuff. Attached is my working chat script. It is for a local provider that requires really plain vanilla stuff. ABORTBUSY ABORTNO CARRIER ABORTVOICE ABORT NO DIALTONE ATDT7859991 ername hilliard word \qmy_password Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Get this, Gateway2000's 'wonderful' tech support
Allen Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wrote a e-mail to gateway2000's tech support team asking them if Linux was compatible with my Promise Ultra 33 here is an EXACT copy of what was returned: Hello Allen, Thanks for your message. Unfortunatly, Linus has not been tested on any system that Gateway sells and therefore we off no support for that operating system. If the system works in the original operating system that we shipped, then that is what we support. Sorry for the inconvience, I was delighted to hear this. When I bought my new machine last spring, it was a close call between Micron and Gateway, and I finally chose Micron. After similar experiences with Micron support (since my machine was shipped with W95, they weren't even willing to help with configuring the monitor for DOS/Windows, let alone Linux), I've been kicking myself for not going with Gateway. Now I feel better! Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Debian libc5 (bo/stable) to libc6 (hamm/unstable) upgrade Mini-HOWTO
On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, this Mini-HOWTO was posted to the various lists. It appears to be identical to the version posted on Wed Nov 12. Is this an error, or is it an intentional repeat, not an update? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
perl missing from status file
I have a small partition that was used in the bo testing period that, IIRC, is in the status in which the base installation left it. It contains 18 mb, representing the packages installed from the base disks. Perl exists in this partition as /usr/bin/perl, but perl does not show up in /var/lib/dpkg/status or /var/lib/dpkg/available. The dpkg --get-selections command produces a list of 53 packages, but perl is not among them. Is this status correct? It doesn't seem right that a package could be installed on a debian system without being known to dpkg. This base installation was made using the 1997-05-16 disk set. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dunc pppd configuration script
On 03 Dec 1997 15:43:13 you asked: Can anyone give me some feedback on dunc? Several weeks ago I experimented with dunc 1.5. The major bug I found was in the dialup_connect script. There is what I think is called a race condition that causes the /bin/rm -f /tmp/wchatfile to remove wchatfile before the background /usr/sbin/pppd command looks for it, so the script fails. Inserting sleep 5 between these two lines solved the problem. (5 seconds was my first try - I didn't try to optimize the sleep time.) One of the input boxes (I think it was asking for the prompt for the user id) wasn't properly setup. I deleted the default value, and replaced it with the string I would need, but the resulting chatfile had nothing entered for this value. I quit fooling with it when I saw that dunc_2.2.deb was in hamm. I have downloaded dunc_2.2.deb, but haven't installed it since I still have a libc5 system. I believe it is supposed to have pap support. Already planned are pap/chap support and use of the standard option and chat files. Good. I believe a debian package, intended to ease a new user into ppp should follow the file structure established by the debian maintainers. I have long maintained that the base installation script should call a script to configure ppp. This should reduce a lot of the ppp questions on the deb-devel list. I have started writing such a script, but haven't done much. If you are going to revise dunc to use the standard option and chat files, I will forget about it. Please keep me posted. Once the package is finished, you should start a campaign to get it called from the base installation process, since that is when it is needed desparately. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Quitting pppd
/usr/bin/poff Bob On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:16:46 -0900 me [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After starting/quitting minicom, and then finishing internet connection, what is the best way to kill pppd without doing a 'kill ' (or the pid of pppd? I haven't found that answer anywhere, and I have tried looking. If I missed a simple statement somewhere, my apologies ;) Mike -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Introduction for new users
This is an excellent document. Placing it on the CD would be helpful, but, IMHO, it would be even better if it were posted on the debian web site, and referred to in the CD's README file. Following are some suggested additions/modifications. Bob On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:08:14 + Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk wrote: Would anyone like to suggest additions: I suggest you describe the home directory concept, and explain the ~/ referring to a home directory. You have to log in (as with Windows) by entering a username and password. ^^^ You don't log in with Windows 3.x, and I don't think you do with Windows95. Did you mean WindowsNT? ls [directory]:list contents of [directory] (like DOS dir, but the output is sorted) I suggest you mention ls -l here, saying it gives file sizes and other information, referring to 6. Permissions below for discussion of other. I think a mention of ls -a would also be appropriate. This, of course, would necessitate a brief explanation of dot files, which could lead into a mention that files, especially dotfiles, ending in rc, are usually configuration files. 11. Errors Unix commands normally execute silently unless asked to be verbose or unless there is an error. An error means something that does not make sense to Linux; it doesn't mean something you don't want to happen! For example, I once had a client who had some unwanted files in his root directory which were named TEMP and so on. As superuser in the root directory he typed rm -rf /* when he should have typed rm -rf \* What he actually asked for was to delete his entire file system, as a background job. It did too. In this connection, you might mention the desirability of aliasing potentially destructive commands to include the -i option, such as: alias rm='rm -i' alias cp='cp -i' alias mv='mv -i' 12. Finding more information Look in /usr/doc for the various HOWTO files. Read the man pages. Get a Should be HOWTO and README files. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: fdisk is it available anywhere else?
What tool that debian uses do you mean? The install package uses cfdisk, which some people prefer to fdisk. Personally, I prefer fdisk, but it is a matter of personal choice. If it is cfdisk that does not look as friendly, perhaps you should try fdisk. Both are in the util-linux package, which is in the base section, so you should have both on your system. The fdisk in debian appears identical to the one I used to use in Slackware. Both programs appear to be linux programs, not debian, so they should be the same, except perhaps for version numbers, as those found on other distributions. For hints, look at man fdisk. If you have specific problems, post them to this list. Bob On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 06:16:28 -0500 butch [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am getting ready to partition my disk and i must say that the tool that debian uses does not look as friendly as the fdisk that comes with other distributions. i was wondering if i can find fdisk for linux elsewhere or should you have any hints for using the debian tools. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Commands Manual
It sounds like you need an introductory Unix book. The Debian Linux User's Guide by Dale Scheetz may be downloaded from http://www.linuxpress.com/, or may be ordered in hard copy from the same address. Although heavily oriented towards Debian installation, there is a summary of the important Unix commands in Appendix 1, and a brief overview of a couple of text editors in Appendix 2. Linux Installation and Getting Started Guide by Matt Welsh gives a good introduction to Linux. It can be downloaded from sunsite.unc.edu, or one of its mirrors, in the directory /pub/Linux/docs/LDP. For more advanced information check out the O'Reilly books at http://www.ora.com. There is a wealth of valuable information already installed on your system. Detailed information on specific commands may be found in the man page for that command (type man command). For more readable information on specific tasks or commands, check out the HOW-TOs and READMEs in /usr/doc. Bob On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 08:37:57 -0600, Kid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got finished installing Debian Linux on my system. Well after all of that work I have no idea what to do next. Is there a list of commands and or sysntax available. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: log rotation package?
/usr/bin/savelog in package debianutils Bob Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:59:35 -0800 (PST) From: David Stern [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi people, Is there a .deb log rotation package? You know what I mean, just something to swap out the logs in /var/.. every week and rename them *.1, *.2, .. up to the number of weeks you want to keep them. This has been on my mind for quite some time, because I've been thinking that it's just gotta be on the cd somewhere, but I've looked and searched all over,.. With 980 packages, maybe I missed it, though. I saw the remark in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd, but I'm having a difficult time imagining that all debian users write their own scripts for this procedure. I know I could do it, but it wouldn't be a pretty sight. David Stern -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: question seeing background process
If you run bash, fg will bring it into the foreground; ^z will put it back in the background. (If you have more than one background job, fg %hardcrack or fg %job number. Bob Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:05:05 -0500 (EST) From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everybody, I had a little trouble finding what to say in the subject line. But here goes nothing. I put a process in the background with the . Now I want to look at what it is doing. ie I am running hardcrack and I put it in the background and I want to see what it is doing. hardcrack. Can I see what it is doing? Is there a way to bring the process out of the background. I hope you all undstand me. I've use ps but that is not what i want. If you need more information please email me. Thank you very much in advance. Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: question seeing background process
I haven't tried this, but I think fg pid will work if you are logged in by telnet, as long as you have the same userid as the owner of the process. Bob On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:34:12 -0500, you wrote: Hi can I do the fg on vertual consloes. Lets say when I go home and login with telnet? Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: help with mounting particular CD
When I mount a cd on my system, the mount command returns the file system detected on the cd: hilliard:vc-2:bobmount /cd ISO9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A Bob On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, JD Thomlinson wrote: I've got a CD that won't mount on FreeBSD 2.2.2 (Yes, I'm working on getting them to install Debian ;) ). Naturally, Debian (2.0.39) has no problem mounting and reading the directory structure. Can anyone give me pointers to a Debian utility that could give me the file system type that Debian so sucessfully has mounted? Apparently it's not iso9660, or at least FBSD won't mount it as iso9660. FBSD will mount other CDs as iso9660. The CD is supposedly accessible by Unix, Win 95 NT, and Mac. I have managed to refuse to install Win 95 NT so far, and am not about to start. Any potential help or pointers will be appreciated! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: using dpkg to see the contents of a package
Look at the results of dpkg-deb --help. The -c or -I options may be what you want. Bob Tim Ferrell wrote: I am new to Debian, so this may be a somewhat stupid question... Is there a way to use dpkg to list the contents, etc. of a package that is not installed? I like to see what it is I am installing first, and when I used rpm I could query the contents first. Is there a dpkg equivalent? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
pgp versions
I have downloaded both pgp-i_2.6.3a-1.deb and pgp-us_2.6.3a-1.deb from nonus.debian.org. The documentation indicates that the international version is somewhat better than the US version, but isn't properly licensed for use in the US. Is the encryption obtained by the two versions compatible? Which version is typically used by debian maintainers? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
dpkg won't remove a kernel-image package
I installed bo from scratch, using the base disks. This installed kernel-image-2.0.30 and /etc/modules. I have subsequently compiled (*) a custom kernel 2.0.30 that doesn't require any modules, and would like to remove the distribution kernel image, /etc/modules, and any other related files. When I try to remove kernel-image-2.0.30 with either dpkg or dselect, I get the message: Can Not remove running kernel image (version 2.0.30). Actually I am running the kernel that I compiled, not the one from the kernel-image package, but there is no way for dpkg to know this. I use loadlin, so I do not even require a copy of the kernel or of the System.map in my root partition. How can I get rid of this package? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dpkg won't remove nfsroot
Thanks a lot. This worked perfectly. I assume from your wording (in this case this is safe) that this would not be a safe procedure in general. Is this correct? Bob On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (joost witteveen) wrote: The way to fix this (in this case this is safe), is to do: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/nfsroot.prerm before running dpkg -r nfsroot again. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
dpkg won't remove nfsroot
I have a misconfigured or partially configured nfsroot on my disk that is marked 'purge' in dselect. Both dselect and 'dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -r nfsroot' give the following response: Removing nfsroot ... I will not do so, (as you may have some config stuff in there left), but you probably want to do: rm -rf /tftpboot /var/lib/dpkg/info/nfsroot.prerm: /etc/init.d/bind: No such file or directory dpkg: error processing nfsroot (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 /var/lib/dpkg/info/nfsroot.postinst: /etc/nfsroot/def: No such file or directorydpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 I have issued the 'rm -rf /tftpboot' command (I don't think I had /tftpboot before doing so), and repeated the attempted removal, with the same message. I found the dpkg --force-help messages confusing, and may have misinterpreted when constructing the dpkg command. I would appreciate instruction in the dpkg force remove command necessary to remove this misconfigured file. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Smail Configuration
My preferred login on my machine is not the same as my userid with my ISP. Smail uses my login on this machine to form the return_path_field. As a result, I can not receive messages from mailer-daemons about undeliverable mail, etc. Is there any way to make smail create the return_path_field in the way I want it? The smailconf manpage says The /etc/smail/config file defines values for global variables used by smail., and gives the default value of return_path_field as ``Return-Path: $sender''. I have inserted the following line in my /etc/smail/config file: return_path_field=Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, smail still forms the default return_path_field in my outgoing mail. Is there any way, short of compiling smail myself, to overcome this default behavior? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian-Lite : The Project
On Sat, 02 Aug 1997 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15:18:49 Robert D. Hilliard wrote: I think this should be the main object of a smaller version of debian (Please not Debian Lite!). A normal debian installation loads up a single user machine with a lot of unneeded and unwanted server and network administration stuff. Bob Man, do I like this idea! I really like Linux, and all it offers, and I really appreciate Debian, but just yesterday I was saying to myself, I wish that someone with the skills would put together a Linux better suited to the single user environment where many (most?) of us use our home systems. Free from all the hassles of permissions, root privelege to do this or that, etc! Right on! For a user like myself anyway, it sure makes a helluva lot more sense than all the multi-user protections/permissions and such. I for one, get really frustrated with such things, and it really ticks me off that if I ftp a file then I can't move it to some directory before I unzip it or thin gs like that. Everyone says don't run as root and use 'su' but damnit, some of this is nuts when the machine is really only an individual's workstation, or at least I think it gets in the way, and probably frustrates the hell out of a lot of people that finally give it up! Paul I didn't mean to go that far. I've done too much damage running as root when it wasn't necessary - even when it is necessary to run as root, and I'm being CAREFUL, I've screwed up more things than I like to admit. I mean to omit news servers, web servers, NFS, NIS, bind and similar programs that are needed by ISP's and network administrators,a but not by an individual running a single user machine. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian-Lite : The Project
On Fri, 01 Aug 1997 17:12:30 -0700, Jason Ish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In one of the first posts of this thread I suggested that it be aimed at single user systems will low resource software. ie) Get rid of all the server stuff, the user can install later if they want. Does this fit in somewhere. Jason I think this should be the main object of a smaller version of debian (Please not Debian Lite!). A normal debian installation loads up a single user machine with a lot of unneeded and unwanted server and network administration stuff. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ICQ
I apologize for this in advance for this is going to be a major soapbox speech. No apology needed. Many of the recent converts from Microsoft need to hear this message. Thanks for putting it out. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: naming convention question
Another criteria for code names - they should be short enough to be quick and easy to type, thus minimizing typos. IMNSHO hamm is at least one letter too long. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Swap Space
I have 96M of RAM, I use swap space of about 3 times my RAM. The rule of thumb of three times RAM has always seemed highly illogical to me. A machine with 8 mb probably needs much more than 24 mb, while one with 97 mb probably doesn't need any. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Need Mirror of Master /debian/Incoming
ON Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:26:54 -0400, Victor Torrico wrote: Hello All, Once in a while I need a file or two from the /debian/Incoming directory at master.debian.org. Since they only have a five user anonymous ftp limit it's very hard to access the site. Most of the time you can't get in. It would be great if several mirror sites additionally mirrored only the /debian/Incoming directory of Master. Another thought would be for several sites, which are not now mirrors, to start mirroring only the /debian/Incoming directory of Master. What do all debian users think about the value of this possibility? What do the directors and developers think about this? How would it be implemented? Victor I don't know how it would be implemented, but I think it would be a wonderful idea. During the testing phase before bo became 1.3, I was unable to make a test installation of several new disk sets because I couldn't access master.debian.org. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: /usr size and seting up a linux server
During the installation testing phase of bo (pre 1.3) I tried to install all possible packages on a 781+ mb partition (756 mb available after making the file system). I installed 683 packages totaling 724 mb before I decided I was running out of space. Including contrib and non-free, there are about 1000 packages in 1.3.1, so I think you should plan on 1.2 gig for the current distribution - maybe 1.5 gig. If you use the ftp install, you must 65-80% more space to hold the package files before unpacking. This can be reduced by downloading and installing a small number of packages at a time or by making /var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/debian a symlink to another filesystem. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Suggestion to future debian releases
I think we might support more default packages in a system installed from CD eventually I think it would be better to try to reduce the size of the base system as much as possible. Perhaps the base install script could ask the user if he wants to install ppp and networking programs, rather than automatically include them. Several years ago, I installed a minimal Slackware installation on a 10 mb partition, with the intent of making an emergency/repair tool. Subsequently, I removed some files, and added a few others, resulting in 5535 kb on a 6170 kb partition. I still keep this partition for emergency use. It would be very difficult to make such an installation with debian. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: kernel-package and loadlin
I use loadlin to boot linux, but I have never moved /boot to a dos partition (I don't have umsdos support compiled in). I have a \loadlin directory in one of my Dos partitions. This directory contains several batch files to invoke loadlin for the appropriate root partition (I have four Linux systems currently installed), using the appropriate kernel. When I compile (or install) a new kernel, I cp /vmlinuz.xxx /dos/c/loadlin/vmlinux.exe (I have the conv=a option for my dos partitions in /etc/fstab, so I need the .exe to prevent newline mangling). I then mv /dos/c/loadlin/vmlinux.exe /dos/c/loadlin/vmlinux.xxx with xxx being any convenient identifier. I now have the following kernels in \loadlin: vmlinuz.slk Distribution kernel idecd1 from Slackware 3.0 vmlinuz.sk2 Custom kernel 1.2.13 compiled from Slackware 3.0 6/22/96 vmlinuz.deb Distribution kernel 2.0.27 from Debian 1.2.0 vmlinuz Custom kernel 2.0.27 compiled from debian 1.2.0 1/19/96 vmlinuz.124 Rescue disk kernel 2.0.27 from Debian 1.2.4 vmlinuz.bo Rescue disk kernel 2.0.30 (?) from 1.3 (frozen) vmlinuz.510 Custom kernel 2.0.27 compiled from debian 1.2.4 5/10/97 (ps/2 mouse vmlinuz.bo2 Custom kernel 2.0.30 compiled from bo (1.3) 5/23/97 (ps/2 mouse) linux Kernel for use in 0 floppy install - see ZF_INST.ALL No problem with links or file names with non-standard characters. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Routing of bounced mail
What is the standard (if there is a standard) routing that MTAs use to route bounced mail? Do they use the FROM: field or the Return-Path: field? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
ppp traps script output
I have a script to start ppp that was written when I was running slackware. This script allows me to choose among several isp numbers and several option files. It displays the number being called, reports when the connection is up, and records the time connection is made. When ppp is stopped it reports that ppp is down and displays the length of time the connection was up. These messages are displayed using the echo command. It is rather verbose, but that is the way I like it. When I started using debian 1.2.0 last winter, I found that this script worked, except that the output while the connection is being made is suppressed. I have just discovered the file /etc/ppp/connect-errors, which contains all of the messages I have been missing. I can not find any reference to this file in the documentation, and I don't know if pppd or chat is responsible for redirecting these messages to the file. How can I cause these messages to be echoed to the console as I intended rather than being redirected to this file? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
/etc/ppp/ip-up behavior
The pppd man pages say that the ip-up and ip-down scripts are executed with standard input, output and error streams redirected to /dev/null. I would like to use these scripts, but I want them to echo messages to the console. How can I overcome this redirection to /dev/null? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Anacron/Cron
I have finally installed anacron. Since my machine doesn't run 24 hours a day, no cron scripts have ever run, so my log files are getting out of hand. The package description for anacron says It's also a good replacement for cron on systems, that don't run continuously 24 hours a day but are powered on and shut down several times a day. Now that anacron is taking over the daily, weekly and monthly cron jobs, can I safely remove cron, or is it required for other system functions? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Smail configuration
In smailconfig, you must choose option (1), then after several more questions, you give your ISP's mail server's name in response to: Do you have a smarthost available (and accessible via SMTP) ? A smarthost is a system to which you forward mail you don't want to deliver yourself; it presumably has better connectivity or routing information than you do. Commercial providers usually provide a smarthost for their customers, and large organisations will often have a site mail switch which can be used. Use of a smarthost is strongly recommended (you'll be able to specify exactly when to use it soon). If a smarthost is available please enter its name (otherwise, `none'). Enter value (`x' to restart): Then choose (1) to the following: Do you wish to use the smarthost for: (1) All outbound mail. This is good if your system is poorly connected, eg via dialup SLIP, as you don't have to talk to distant machines yourself, and it allows you to send out just one copy of a message for all its the remote recipients. (2) Mail that you have failed to find a way to route. This means that mail for any unknown hosts or domains will be sent to the smarthost in the hope that it will know better; if it doesn't the smarthost should bounce it back to you. This is recommended for most situations, and usually results in faster end-to-end delivery than always using the smarthost. (3) Only mail to the `awkward' UUCP and BITNET domains. These domains don't appear in the Internet routing tables, and how to reach them varies depending on your location. Use this if your smarthost's admin has asked you to avoid using the smarthost unnecessarily, or if it is unreliable or very slow. Select a number from 1 to 3, from the list above. This will give the results that I think the original poster was looking for. Bob On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:02:05 Martin Schulze wrote: Bob Nielsen writes: I'd like to do the same thing, but I don't get that option from smailconfig (smail_3.2-3 from 1.3.1): You must choose one of the options below: (1) Internet site: you send and receive Internet mail on this machine, using SMTP over TCP/IP. (2) UUCP to smarthost (upstream site): You send and receive mail via UUCP; outbound mail is sent to your smarthost (probably your service provider) for routing and delivery. This should be easily changable to use a smtp smarthost instead of uucp smart host. (3) Satellite system: No mail is to be delivered or routed here. Any mail generated on this system is sent to a central mail switch using SMTP. Have you tried this? (4) Local delivery only: You are not on a network. Mail for local users is delivered. (5) No configuration: No configuration will be done now; your mail system will be broken and should not be used. You must then do the configuration yourself later or run this script, /usr/sbin/smailconfig, as root. Umh I see, smailconfig lacks this special option. I'll send you my configuration in a separate mail. Regards Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / / http://home.pages.de/~joey/ /Eine Kette ist nur so stark wie ihr schwächstes Glied / -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . 0 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Net Configuration
Many thanks to all the people who responded to my query last Sunday and told me that network configuration data is stored in /etc/init.d/network. Is the network configuration script from the installation disks available in the installed system? If so, what is the file name? Several weeks ago, a message on this list (from Dale Scheetz, [EMAIL PROTECTED], I believe) advised that a user with a dial-up ppp connection should answer no to the configuration script's question Are you connected to a network. In that case, would it be necessary to manually create the files /etc/hosts, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/hostname? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Rex-fixed
Is the final version of rex-fixed (1.2.?) available somewhere? I looked in ftp.debian.org and couldn't find it. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Total Newbie partition question
On Sun, 06 Jul 1997 15:34:46 -0700, Dan Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What to I do with extended and logical partitions when I have three physical paritions on my drive already? In other words, I have hda1,hda2,hda3, and I would like to add more than hda4. Assuming I am using fdisk, how to I properly add the logical partitions? Do I make the remaining drive space an extended partition and then add logical paritions there? Am I mixing up the terms? In fdisk, give the 'n' command. When asked primary or extended choose 'e' for extended. Give starting and ending cylinders to use all available space. Then give the 'n' command, and choose 'l' for logical. Assign starting and ending cylinders for the size you want; repeat until all logical partitions you want and can fit on the disk are defined. Then give the 'p' command and study the partition table carefully. When you are satisifed with the results, check it again (this is analogous to the old carpenter's rule of measure twice, cut once), then give the 'w' command. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Network Configuration
During the base installation, as part of configuring the network, the configure script asks for the netmask and the IP address for the network and/or the default gateway. Where is this information stored? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Smail - Return-Path Field
Can smail be configured to omit the Return-Path Field from the headers of outgoing mail, or to use a specified string for the Return-Path Field? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Unidentified subject!
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SMAIL/smarthost/BIND error BCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Al Youngwerth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: post.metrolink.net does not have a dns MX record. I don't think smail should give you an error if your smarthost doesn't have an MX record but it might. Try changing you smarthost to metrolink.net (it resolves to post.metrolink.net) and see if it helps. This solved the problem. Al's suggestion was the easiest and fastest one to implement. Since it worked, I haven't tried the other suggestions, although I may experiment with them later when I have time. Several responders recommended finding a new ISP. That is high on my priorities, but now I don't have to jump into it on an emergency basis. Many thanks to all who responded. My original question, abbreviated to save bandwidth, follows: I am running debian 1.2.4, and use smail ver 3.2-3. I have configured it to use my ISP as a smart host. /etc/smail/routers includes the following: smart_host: driver=smarthost, transport=smtp; path=post.metrolink.net This has worked fine for many months until May 31. Since then when I try to run the queue I get an error message similar to the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: autometric.com matched by smart_host: routed [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] at post.metrolink.net transport smtp uses driver tcpsmtp transport smtp: BIND server failure: : Connection timed out write_log:Deferred TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ROUTER:smart_host TRANSPORT:smtp ERROR:(ERR164) transport smtp: BIND server failure: : Connection timed out Does anyone have any suggestions as to a possible cure for this? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
SMAIL/smarthost/BIND error
I posted this on June 10, but have not had any response, so I'm trying again. My ISP says we do not offer support for linux mail. I hope someone can give me a clue. I'm getting tired of going into Windoze to send mail. I am running debian 1.2.4, and use smail ver 3.2-3. I have configured it to use my ISP as a smart host. /etc/smail/routers includes the following: smart_host: driver=smarthost, transport=smtp; path=post.metrolink.net This has worked fine for many months until May 31. Since then when I try to run the queue I get an error message similar to the following: bob:vc-1:bobmailq m0wbSvY-000ZEXC From: bob (in /var/spool/smail/input) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Args: -t -oem -f bob -oMP sendmail bob:vc-1:bobrunq -v [EMAIL PROTECTED]: autometric.com matched by smart_host: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: mc.seflin.net matched by smart_host: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: metrolink.net matched by smart_host: routed [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] at post.metrolink.net routed [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] at post.metrolink.net routed [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] at post.metrolink.net transport smtp uses driver tcpsmtp transport smtp: BIND server failure: : Connection timed out write_log:Deferred TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ROUTER:smart_host TRANSPORT:smtp ERROR:(ERR164) transport smtp: BIND server failure: : Connection timed out write_log:Deferred TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ROUTER:smart_host TRANSPORT:smtp ERROR:(ERR164) transport smtp: BIND server failure: : Connection timed out write_log:Deferred TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ROUTER:smart_host TRANSPORT:smtp ERROR:(ERR164) transport smtp: BIND server failure: : Connection timed out I now have to go into DOS/WIN3.1 and use Eudora to send mail, which is unacceptable. Does anyone have any suggestions as to a possible cure for this? I have asked my ISP if he has made any recent changes, but don't expect much satisfaction there. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
GI-Surfboard Cable modem
My local cable company is offering internet access using a General Instruments GI-Surfboard cable modem. They say it requires WIN95, and there are no drivers for other OSs. However, I doubt if he knows anything about Linux. Does anyone know if there are any Linux drivers to work with this modem? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
SMAIL/smarthost
I am running debian 1.2.4, and use smail ver 3.2-3. I have configured it to use my ISP as a smart host. /etc/smail/routers includes the following: smart_host: driver=smarthost, transport=smtp; path=post.metrolink.net This has worked fine for many months until May 31. Since then when I try to run the queue I get an error message similar to the following: bob:vc-1:bobmailq m0wbSvY-000ZEXC From: bob (in /var/spool/smail/input) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Args: -t -oem -f bob -oMP sendmail bob:vc-1:bobrunq -v [EMAIL PROTECTED]: autometric.com matched by smart_host: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: mc.seflin.net matched by smart_host: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: metrolink.net matched by smart_host: routed [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] at post.metrolink.net routed [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] at post.metrolink.net routed [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] at post.metrolink.net transport smtp uses driver tcpsmtp transport smtp: BIND server failure: : Connection timed out write_log:Deferred TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ROUTER:smart_host TRANSPORT:smtp ERROR:(ERR164) transport smtp: BIND server failure: : Connection timed out write_log:Deferred TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ROUTER:smart_host TRANSPORT:smtp ERROR:(ERR164) transport smtp: BIND server failure: : Connection timed out write_log:Deferred TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ROUTER:smart_host TRANSPORT:smtp ERROR:(ERR164) transport smtp: BIND server failure: : Connection timed out I now have to go into DOS/WIN3.1 and use Eudora to send mail, which is unacceptable. Does anyone have any suggestions as to a possible cure for this? I have asked my ISP if he has made any recent changes, but don't expect much satisfaction there. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problems configuring fetchmail
On Mon, 26 May 1997, Clint Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reading message 4 (1753 bytes) .fetchmail: SMTP connect to (null) failed I experience this and other problems when using dynamic IPs. Using '-S localhost' on the commandline solves it for me. Thanks. It works like a charm! IMHO this is a bug, either in the code or the documentation. I think I'll file a bug report if it hasn't already been done. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Problems configuring fetchmail
My current system is debian 1.2.4. I use smail version 3.2-3 as my MTA and popclient version 3.05-3 to retrieve mail. I have installed bo on a separate partition. Bo includes the same version of smail, but popclient has been replaced with fetchmail version 3.8-0. When I try to retrieve mail with popclient, I get the following message: bob:vc-4:bobfetchmail fetchmail: 7 messages (3 seen) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] skipping message 1 not flushed skipping message 2 not flushed skipping message 3 not flushed reading message 4 (1753 bytes) .fetchmail: SMTP connect to (null) failed fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from post.metrolink.net As far as I can tell, smail is configured identically in both partitions. (I have run smail -bP CONFIG file in both partitions, and diff shows the files to be identical.) My .fetchmailrc file is: poll post.metrolink.net proto pop3 user hilliard password mypassword My .poprc file (that works with popclient) is: server post.metrolink.net proto pop3 user hilliard password mypassword I have studied the manpage without finding what I'm doing wrong. Can anyone point out what I'm missing? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
