Re: instalation no desktop
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 08:56:25PM -0200, bsaearp wrote: hi, i had downloaded d last version of debian and i am trying to install. But, the problem is that there is no desktop...the packts don`t install. It just ask my login and pass. but don`t iniciate. What am i doing wrong? tanks a lot be The debian-project list is not the correct list for your question. You would be better off asking on debian-user or debian-user-portuguese. (I have CC'd debian-user-portuguese) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: tar vs
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 12:08:08PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 02:59:01AM EST, Adam Porter wrote: I've read the man page, googled this list and the rest of the Net, but I still can't figure out why this doesn't work: $ tar xjf *.tar.bz2 tar: beryl-core-0.2.0.tar.bz2: Not found in archive Am I doing something wrong? Why can't tar handle a wildcard list like that? As a refugee from DOS/Windos/OS/2 etc etc.I have a question. What is Linuxs obsession with tar ? What is (are) the advantage(s) of tar over ZIP/RAR for example. Well, there are a few: - tar has been around forever - tar is standard on pretty much every *nix system (which GNU tar becoming more common even on commercial Unices) - gzip provides better compression than zip (bzip2 is even better but it takes lots of CPU) - RAR is non-free and so many Linux distributions won't include it by default Those are just a few. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apt-get - E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 12:17:33AM +0800, linux china wrote: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while processing viewvc-query (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.linuxforum.net_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. any idea how to fix the error? Please search the list archives or use Google. This question is asked (and answered) constantly. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Different ways of locking accounts
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 12:18:55AM +0800, Wei Chen wrote: Hi, I recently found ways that can lock user accounts on the local machine, including passwd -l and usermod -L. I am wondering now what is the difference between the two commands and which one is preferred (or standard, or more widely used). Thanks. passwd(1): User accounts may be locked and unlocked with the -l and -u flags. The -l option disables an account by changing the password to a value which matches no possible encrypted value. The -u option re-enables an account by changing the password back to its previous value. usermod(1): -L Lock a user's password. This puts a '!' in front of the encrypted password, effectively disabling the password. You can't use this option with -p or -U. They more than likely do the same exact thing, if for no other reason than for compatibility. Either way, they both lock an account by making the hashed password value one that connot match any possible hash. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Different ways of locking accounts
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 12:44:18AM +0800, Wei Chen wrote: Will there be problem if I lock an account with one program and unlock with another? I don't know. Why don't you try it and see? :-) BTW, both methods lock shells as well as ftp and sftp. Changing the shell to /usr/sbin/nologin allows ftp but still prevents sftp. Is there a method that locks shell but allows ftp and sftp? Thanks. I think that you just described it. Change the user's shell to /bin/false or something similar. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: perl cpan cc: command not found
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 10:37:47AM -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: Hi, While running cpan certain modules don't get built. sh: cc: command not found I know this isn't true: ls /usr/bin/gcc -lat lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 May 22 2006 /usr/bin/gcc - /etc/alternatives/gcc I'm wondering if the debian-alternatives system is interfering here? On my Sarge machine: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ which cc /usr/bin/cc [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/cc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2005-03-22 23:48 /usr/bin/cc - /etc/alternatives/cc [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/cc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2005-04-03 01:05 /etc/alternatives/cc - /usr/bin/gcc [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/gcc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2005-04-03 01:04 /usr/bin/gcc - gcc-3.3 Do you have the plain gcc package installed? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Running Debian with kernel from other distro....
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 06:46:10PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: I agree with you, but I can tell you why that is so. Most companies don't trust things that come for volunteer organizations. The attitude of many people is it's worth what you pay for it, which means that free software has no value to them. The attitude is quite prelevant in the western world where capitalism has a strong firmhold. Which is of course *hilarious*. Of course those people fail to realize that the Internet runs on a protocol stack that was designed by a bunch of academics and college students. The reference implementation of which is still probably one of the most pervasive pieces of software in any network-connected machine today. Anytime somebody tells me that free = worthless, I immediately lose a great deal of respect for that person. Not to say that you can't get really good stuff by paying lots of money. Just that there is little or no correlation between the price of a piece of software and its quality. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Nothing works
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 12:01:11PM -0600, Teilhard Knight wrote:
Hello:
I am new to Linux and I recently installed Debian Sarge for my 64 bit
^^
Sarge was never officially released for amd64. So, you are using an
unofficial port. Now, the unofficial Sarge for amd64 is quite well
supported, but the Sarge release was approaching 2 years ago. I would
just go ahead and use Etch. It will be released in the coming weeks and
is already very usable and stable.
Regards,
-Roberto
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Re: How to install PHP5 using aptitude?
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 12:44:34PM -0700, Kelly Jones wrote: shows that all PHP5 packages are virtual-- they're only used to satisfy dependencies. Can I install PHP5 using aptitude, or do I have to download it and install it the hard way (untar it, sh configure make make install). Are you running Sarge or Etch? If you are running Sarge, do you have backport.org in your sources.list? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: import cyrus-spool into lurker
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 09:51:28PM +0100, Wolf Wiegand wrote: Hi, I've sent the same question to debian-user-german, but no answers so far. I want to import my mailing list archives into lurker¹. Unfortunately, lurker does not support direct imports from a cyrus-spool: # lurker-index -l debian-devel-announce -i /var/spool/cyurs/.../d-d-a does not produce an error message, but no mails are processed. I could convert my entire archive to mbox format, or resend all mails to lurker, but considering the size of my archive, that's not really an option. Does anybody have an idea how I can import my archives into lurker? Please CC me in replies, as I am not subscribed. If lurker understands Maildir, then you could use the cyrus2courier package to convert to Maildir format first. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: missing the last letter in my posts
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 12:06:20AM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: Ok.My name turned up correct. I'll change my name to Smith now. This will be interesting. Nigel Smith using Kmail on FC2 ^^ I know you were having trouble with emacs and all. But don't you consider it a bit extreme to swtich from emacs to FC2? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Running Debian with kernel from other distro....
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 02:14:01PM +0100, Marcin wrote: Friday 16 of March 2007 11:28:28 Daniel Wyeth napisa??(a): On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 22:27 +0100, Marcin Giedz wrote: Thanks everyone for these hints After I read your posts and did some googling this pop in my mind: 1) install RHEL - as small as possible 2) install ALL needed modules - e.g. for EMC POwerPath 3) using debootstrap install Debian but without installing kernel ...so in consiquence ... I will boot machine using RHEL kernel but after a while I will switch to chrooted Debian...but how in this case all rc scripts will run? I'm not familiar with installing another Linux in chrooted environment so I'm not sure if it works this way? I think that you are much better off with my original suggestion of getting yourself a red hat kernel and compiling it. You can then build a new Debian installer image with the new kernel (this process is well documented). Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 06:08:24AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: Bringing democracy and freedom to the Iraqi people er no! Uh, yes. Try looking past Wolf Blitzer and his over-hyped candy show and try to find the good in the nation. You do realize that 80-90% of the the violence in Iraq right now is in a 20 mile radius of Bagdad? *And* is caused by a small and determined group of violent religious extremists. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Script stopper
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 05:44:43PM +0200, ccostin wrote: What plugin/addon can stop a JavaScript scripts or animated GIFs from running (not blocking from the beginning) and then rerun whenever I want, with only two main functions STOP/START scripts and animated GIFs ? Is there any other solution than a debugger ? IIRC, Firefox has an option for this somewhere. If it is not accessible through the normal configuration options, then it is in about:config. As far as stopping javascript, there is the NoScript extension. It works quite nicely. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 10:05:19AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:57:43PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 06:08:24AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: Bringing democracy and freedom to the Iraqi people er no! Uh, yes. Try looking past Wolf Blitzer and his over-hyped candy show and try to find the good in the nation. You do realize that 80-90% of the the violence in Iraq right now is in a 20 mile radius of Bagdad? *And* is caused by a small and determined group of violent religious extremists. which group is that? That would be the militias who are sending people into crowded public places to blow themselves up. You see, they have not the courage to attack the coalition forces directly. They lay IEDs by the side of the road, but this rarely results in more than the deaths of one or two soldiers. So, they go into markets and blow up 100 innocent civilians instead. sarcasm Oh yes, these are true freedom fighters! /sarcasm Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: internal lan configuration and web address issues
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 02:18:45PM -0600, John Schmidt wrote: Is there a way to configure things so that machines on my LAN can access the web server using the registered name. Would this require that I do DNS on my machines? It is not required that you do DNS for your setup. However, setting up DNS is very simple: http://www.madboa.com/geek/soho-bind/ Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Partial Solution] Re: Can't run shorewall with kernel 2.6.20.2
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 10:28:04AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:59:29 -0400 Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 09:00:06AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: That helped a bit. It appears that shorewall requires Ipv4 connection tracking enabled. Now shorewall comes up and seems to work except that dns requests from the firewall fail when it is enabled. (I can ping out by address but not by name) What are the contents of /etc/shorewall/policy? $FW all ACCEPT - net $FW DROPinfo all all DROPinfo I then add specific incoming ports in /etc/shorewall/rules And when you say DNS requests from the firewall you mean for actual applications running on the firewall box itself? Not something else behind the firewall? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: vote for Debian on Dell computers
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 01:21:32AM -0800, Greg Madden wrote: Buy an HP,they support Debian. Out of curiousity, which HP laptop models are supported for Debian? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 05:03:21AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm not sure I follow, but even if that's the case, *someone* has to take the initiative and get the economy of scale going or it's not going to improve. Correct. But initiative is not achieved by government *mandate*, OK? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 04:46:53AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: I know about it. But (and you might want to sit down for this) I was once at a place where I suggested PuTTY and they said no, citing that it was developed by a foreigner. I'm assuming this is good ole American style rectocranial impaction, which makes me wonder if they know your last name is Sanchez. :-) I didn't have the heart to tell them that all their Linux (and even Windows) machines were running oodles of software developed by foreigners :-) No kidding. Microsoft hires how many H1Bs while Washington's unemployment rate is how astronomical again? Tell me about it. I mean heck, with 4.6% unemployment [0] (being at 0.1% below the national average), I can see how Washington's unemployment rates can be considered astronomical in every way. Regards, -Roberto [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_unemployment_rate -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 09:32:56AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest group pushing ethanol usage in the US is midwestern farmers. I didn't know that they were so enamored of socialism. :-) They are *hugely* enamored of socialism. Ever hear of farm subsidies? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Readable Bash Primer
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:02:46AM -0400, Stephen R Laniel wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 02:57:53PM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: That looks really good, just what I was looking for. A question though. What do I type in the browser (Konqueror for example) to get it to display? btw. I have installed it, but not sure how to access it. Open the file /usr/share/doc/abs-guide/html/index.html in your browser. I realize that this is in no way obvious. Sometimes when you're looking at a package and thinking What the heck do I do with this?, your first step should be to look in /usr/share/doc/[package-name]. If that doesn't help, often the last step is to do dpkg -L [package-name] |less which will display all the files that [package-name] installed. Sometimes that will give you a clue about what it does and where to run it from. IIRC, if you ise doc-book, it also takes care of registering all the documentation-related packages on your system so that you can browse them a little more easily. I don't use it, so I am not sure, however. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: vote for Debian on Dell computers
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:00:41AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 3/15/07, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 01:21:32AM -0800, Greg Madden wrote: Buy an HP,they support Debian. Out of curiousity, which HP laptop models are supported for Debian? Hi, AFAIK none, but they support Sarge on some servers and it seems that the plan is extend this support for Etch once we release at least to the same set of servers. I will do my best to obtain some support for laptops and desktops using as argument the progress we had with Debian Desktop into Etch. Test installs on HP laptops are welcome. You can submit installation reports or comments to debian-desktop mailing list. OK. I mistook your statement to mean that HP had started offering Debian on consumer equipment. I was aware that they support it on servers (heck, even Dell lets you pick between Suse and RHEL for servers). What Dell is now proposing is offering Linux support for consumer gear. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: PATH question
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 04:06:40PM +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: Why are you asking us about the Port Authority Trans-Hudson railroad? ;) On 15.03.07 11:02, Celejar wrote: Perhaps because: ~$ echo $path $path is (t)csh internal variable ~$ echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games $PATH is universal environment variable. (t)csh maps path to PATH, but only PATH exists in (ba|z|k|)sh The difference is that in (t)csh, the path with all lowercase is space delimitted instead of colon delimitted. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:22:47AM -0400, Christopher Judd wrote: On Thursday 15 March 2007 10:18, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 09:32:56AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest group pushing ethanol usage in the US is midwestern farmers. I didn't know that they were so enamored of socialism. :-) They are *hugely* enamored of socialism. Ever hear of farm subsidies? Regards, -Roberto I have to agree with you here. Try telling them that they are pro-socialism, however. Excellent. They are pro-socialism and many of them don't even realize it. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: console based cd burning (wodim and burn)
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:53:44AM -0400, H.S. wrote: It appears that cdrecord package is ... deprecated in debain(?) I am trying to see what should I use to burn CD's from a terminal. This is on an Etch bases system with only icewm installed on it. I don't want to use nautilus cd burner and neither k3b, if I can help it. How do wodim and burn compare for such a task? Any experiences with these utilities? I am trying to decide which one to start and keep using depending on its stability and features. And it would be great to have the option of burning audio cd's with text information (never been able to do so with k3b, even with checking the cd-text option). Most tools like k3b, nautilus and xcdroast are designed to be pretty front-ends to cdrecord. Due to licensing issues with cdrecord, some Debian developers have created a fork called wodim. My understanding is that wodim is a drop-in replacement for cdrecord. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: console based cd burning (wodim and burn)
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 06:13:33PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Most tools like k3b, nautilus and xcdroast are designed to be pretty front-ends to cdrecord. Due to licensing issues with cdrecord, some Debian developers have created a fork called wodim. My understanding is that wodim is a drop-in replacement for cdrecord. There has been a lot of FUD in the last year, but there are definitely no licensing issues. Debign knows that there are no licensing issues. If Debian would belive the FUD with the license issues, then did behave differently. That is where you are wrong: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg2.html Unfortunately Sun then developed the CDDL[1] and Jörg Schilling released parts of recent versions of cdrtools under this license. The CDDL is incompatible with the GPL. The FSF itself says that this is the case as do people who helped draft the CDDL. One current and one former Sun employee visited the annual Debian conference in Mexico in 2006. Danese Cooper clearly stated there that the CDDL was intentionally modelled on the MPL in order to make it GPL- incompatible. For everyone who wants to hear this first-hand, we have video from that talk available at [2]. Cdrtools contain the following sub-packages (shortened and simplified): Package nameLicense == cdrecord100% CDDL readcd 100% CDDL cdda2wav99% CDDL, uses a few BSD files and a LGPL library btcflash100% CDDL rscsi 100% CDDL scgcheck100% CDDL scgskeleton 100% CDDL mkisofs 100% GPL uses some GPLd libs and two CDDLd libs Note that the GPL was listed as non-free until about 4 years ago, it is now accepted as a free license. Listed as non-free by whom? Note that the CDDL was listed as free license since it's early beginning in January 2005. The CDDL is even accepted as free license by Debian. The question is not one of freeness, but of compatibility with the GPL. If someone at Debian did have a license problem, it could only be with mkisofs and for this reason, Debian would use a recent cdrtools with the exception of mkisofs. If you read the GPL carefully, you will find out, that the GPL allows a GPL'd program to depend on non-GPLd libraries as lons as the code in these libraries is not derived from GPL'd code. Judge by your own why some people spread the FUD about the license problems. Well, IANAL, so I will defer to the opinions of the legal experts. They say there is a problem, and so I am inclined to believe them. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: console based cd burning (wodim and burn)
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:24:11PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: That is where you are wrong: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg2.html Unfortunately Sun then developed the CDDL[1] and J=F6rg Schilling released parts of recent versions of cdrtools under this license. The CDDL is incompatible with the GPL. The FSF itself says that this is the case as do people who helped draft the CDDL. One current and ??? Any reason to quote this FUD? How is it FUD? Both the FSF *and* the drafters of the CDDL say that the two licenses are incompatible. In this case, you appear to be the only one to say differently. Your quote is complete nonsense and it is easy to prove that this text is wromg. Oh, you mean by watching the video that is linked in the message I cited? If you insist in quoting FUD, we should stop here are you do not seem to be interested in the truth. Please explain how what I am quoting is FUD. Listed as non-free by whom? By the OpenSource Initiaive www.opensource.org. It has been founded by Eric Raymond and Bruve Perence. Pruce Perence did write the DFSG before he left Debian and OSI is using exactly the same definitions (except that debian has been replaced by a neutral word). Based on this text, people did believe that the GPL does try to violate § 9 of the rules. Later, the FSF made clear that the GPL needs to be interpreted in a way that makes it conforming to §9 of the OSI/DFSG rules. I was aware that the DFSG became the basis for the Opensource definition. However, I don't know what the history of the OSI is with respect to what licenses they considered free and when. Interestingly: the FUD from some Debian deviants spread against cdrtools is based on the wrong interpretation of the GPL... Would this be the interpretation that is shared by the FSF *and* by the drafters of the CDDL? Well, IANAL, so I will defer to the opinions of the legal experts. They say there is a problem, and so I am inclined to believe them. If you are not a lawyer and if you claim to listen to legal experts, why do you listen to the Debian dilletants instead of listening to real legal experts? Let us stop the discussion here, I do not have the impression that you are intrested in a real discussion but only in spreading the FUD from the Debian deviants. Well, I have nothing against you. You wrote the software, you can license it in whatever way you like. However, the ad hominem attacks against Debian developers makes you appear quite juvenile. They believe (apparently in agreement with the FSF and the drafters of the CDDL) that there is an incompatibility. In order to make themselves a potential legal target, they have chosen their course of action. The OP simply asked where cdrecord had gone. I explained where and why the Debian developers who created the fork decided to do so. You are welcome to disagree with them. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Running Debian with kernel from other distro....
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:27:46PM +0100, Marcin Giedz wrote: Hello, Perhaps what I'm planing to do is not very legal but it seems I have no chance :( I've got EMC disk array which recently I was able to connect using QLogic FC card to my server. However I can only use one PATH from my server to EMC so natural failover which comes with EMC can't be achieved. EMC AX 150 has 2 FC controllers where every contains 2 FC channel. So basically I could use 2 servers connected directly to two different controllers or even use SAN but not with Debian :( EMC has PowerPath software but it's binary version including kernel modules - which is the BIGGEST problem I found. They are compiled for RHEL or SUSE so can't be used on others distros. But ... this idea came to my mind today and I what to ask you if this is possible at all? Can I build/create debian-installer based on redhat kernel which is dedicated for EMC PowerPath? I mean I'd like to use BINARY version of this kernel with all external modules which come with EMC and prepare debian-installer with such kernel. What you want to do is perfectly legal. RedHat freely releases their source RPMs, so you could grab one of those and build it yourself. Alternatively, CentOS, WhiteBox and SciLinux (among others) all provide recompiled binaries of RedHat's sources. You could use a kernel provided by one of those vendors. One thing of which you need to be aware is that certain things that are tied closely to the kernel (udev and others) may misbehave if you try and use a kernel that is too old or behaves differently than expected. Has anyone tried something like this ever? I'm sure it has been tried, but I am not sure by whom. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Wine
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:58:10PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: According to Wine HQ, there are no packages for Debian, only Ubuntu because the maintainer only runs Ubuntu. The packages are not compatible with Debian because Debian changed the package format, which means you either need to compile the source or use the package on one of the Debian mirrors, which is usually a bit behind the packages on Wine HQ. That is just plain ignorance on the part of the person who made that statement. The package format has not changed. It would be stupid for Ubuntu to do something like that, since all package management tools (apt, dpkg, etc) would need updating to deal with a new format. Something makes me wonder if someone at wine has things backwards. One of the things (as I stated a few weeks ago) that drove me away from Ubuntu was the incompatibility of .deb files between Ubuntu and Debian. I really would like to know who changed what because I see with Ubuntu's gaining popularity, more developers are making Ubuntu .deb files and not Debian .deb files and we're going to run into a .deb-hell if it continues. Of course I am speaking of third-party repositories. The problem is more with dependencies than with anything else. As I said, the format is the same. Complaining that an Ubuntu .deb package doesn't work on Debian is like complaining that an Etch .deb doesn't work on Sarge. Over time, as things diverge, it is more likely that packages won't fit across branches. The same is true with Debian and Ubuntu. Now, it is really not hard to build package for both Ubuntu and Debian. In fact, it is no harder than building packages for Sid and Sarge. Tools like sbuild, pbuilder and chroot can be used to great advantage here. I hear that there are some Debian developers whose primary/only real platform is Ubuntu and that they package using pbuilder chroots. Generally, this is considered bad practice for a Debian developer since that means that the package received no testing on Debian, but it can be done. So, to sum it up, the reason that some upstream developers provide Ubuntu but not Debian packages is because they either don't know about tools like pbuilder or are just lazy. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: scripting
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 05:14:48PM -0700, Bob McGowan wrote: Nigel, I cannot find a package 'abs-guide' for etch. I've tried several different permutations (-guide, guide[too much!], abs-), nothing is found. Is there is typo here or is there some other repository to add to sources.list? Bob Do you have non-free in your sources.list? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 08:49:28PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/15/07 19:18, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..thru Cheney, Halliburton, KBR, etc. Do you *really* believe that? Of course he does. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are just profit-making ventures for Cheney. Nothing more. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 03:08:55AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:51:43 -0600, Kent wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:47:14PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alists.debian.org+roberto%40con nexer.com This is just a big time guess, 2130 is the number. Mine was a guess too. I just counted all of my mails to @lists.debian.org with my current e-mail address: 3503 (not including this one) Hmm. I wonder if that eliminates duplciates. According to Google, I have about 9,214 D'oh! I'm only at 7410. Wait, wait; another address adds 1380. That makes ... (let's see, carry the one, oops, no carries) ... 8790. D'oh! Roberto wins ... (Kent hangs head as he shuffles off --- No, I'm not competitive; why do you ask?) ..earning s/n bragging rights is easy, just limit your OT traffic: ;o) http://www.google.com/search?num=100q=site%3Alists.debian.org+arnt%40c2i.net and http://www.google.com/search?num=100q=site%3Alists.debian.org+arnt%40c2i.net+OT Well, as a percentage, you are at about 19% OT. I am at about 21% OT, but that is only for my @connexer.com email address. I am sure that if I included my other email addresses (from before the time when I gained such an affinity for OT discussions), I would likely be below 10%. But then, bu quantity, it is still a whole bunch of OT posts. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Linux Interview Questions
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:24:21PM +0800, li sh wrote: 2007/3/16, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 00 06 * * * [ `date -d tomorrow +%d` -eq '01' ] /the/script for 6:00 AM on the last day of each month Little tips, every month's 28 is enough. isnt it . Unless your script does things calculate billable things (bandwidth, messages sent/received, whatever) which are billed on a monthly basis. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 07:11:06AM -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: Is there any compatibility issues as far as versions of X, the server being non-linux (or even not the same distro as the workstation), etc? Nope. X is a protocol, much the same as FTP or HTTP. If your client (or server in the case of X) speaks it, the server (or client in the case of X) can speak to you. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 06:54:22PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: I wish it could really be that way everywhere. I have been places where they run telnetd on all the Solaris and Linux servers because (get this) windows only comes with a telnet client and not an ssh client. They do know about putty, right? It's only a few kB... I know about it. But (and you might want to sit down for this) I was once at a place where I suggested PuTTY and they said no, citing that it was developed by a foreigner. I didn't have the heart to tell them that all their Linux (and even Windows) machines were running oodles of software developed by foreigners :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 07:17:40AM -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: The place I talk about has legacy stuff (long forgotten cron jobs on random servers) that used to telnet and FTP stuff around) Eeek! I was trying to tell the admins to switch and they said that they were told not to, because the legacy stuff shouldn't be disturbed That's the price of high turnover over 10+ years Ah yes, the old it works but we don't know how, so must not disturb it. The other reason is that their VB programmers don't know how to SCP. Which is precisely what WebDAV over HTTPS is for. Unfortunately, it seems as though there are lots savvy people who really don't understand the basics. I'm not saying everyone needs to be a network engineer or a computer scientist. But for crying out loud, even your below average Joe knows enough to lock his car when he walks away from it. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 08:52:36PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Why not just go bioethanol in a larger percentage year round? Portland is, and it might go statewide by the end of the session. Gasoline sales are banned here for the better. Probably because to produce 1 gallon of bio you need to use 1 gallon of gasoline. It's completely 0-sum right now. Of course, there is also the fact that the increase in demand for corn is pushing the price up and causing riots in Mexico. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: man vs info
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:35:08AM -0800, Mike McClain wrote: In man pages written by the FSF I see this advisory: SEE ALSO The full documentation for sync is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and sync programs are properly installed at your site, the command info coreutils sync should give you access to the complete manual. which seems to imply that the man page does not contain the 'complete manual'. Every time I've gone to the info page, it has contained the same information though sometimes broken into smaller chunks it's all been there. Has anyone seen am example where there was any more information in the info pages than the man pages? The gcc package (I think) is a good example. If you install the gcc-doc (or whichever one corresponds to your version, like gcc4.1-doc) then you get the complete manual in the info pages. I think that it is because the FSF and GNU have a preference for info over man. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 06:32:38PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Sorry, Michelle to me is feminine name. Michel on the other hand is masculine. If I was wrong, I apologize. How am I to tell which pronoun to use when I cannot see the person? I can blame the English language for having personal pronouns of both sexes, but most languages do. Of course, there is also Spanish, where in addition to pronouns having gender, so does every single noun :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:04:56PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Since this is already a off-topic thread... So does Dutch, German, French, ItalianNow that I stop and think about it, I can't think of any that don't. Well, English has the concept of a neuter article (the). the dog -- el perro That is what I was referring to. I am not sure I got the point across properly. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 12:58:31PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: Great, that is the usual propaganda from XFS users with the same lame excuse written with small letters. How is it propaganda? It was a statement of fact. It has this bad tendency to shred the file contents after powerouts or sudden kernel crashes... silently inserting lots of 0x0s, IIRC sometimes only a 512 byte block, sometimes filling the rest of a file after a certain position. FYI, *any* filesystem has the potential to lose data on a sudden power outage. I cannot prove it either, it is just the experience which I had every time after I tried XFS in the last years. So, in other words, you are giving anecdotal evidence as the backing for sweeping generalizations? And every time I came back to ext3 where I can not remember such trouble. Well, as an anecdote of my own, I have used both XFS and ext3 quite extensively and found that they are equally as good, given *quality* hardware. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 09:34:45AM -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: Well, as an anecdote of my own, I have used both XFS and ext3 quite extensively and found that they are equally as good, given *quality* hardware. I assume quality hardware is mutually exclusive with a home PC Is that correct? Not necessarily. However, it is mutually exclusive with bottom of the barrel hardware. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 10:33:38AM -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: Now as far as video, who cares about that... servers don't need GUI stuff. Tell that to our admins who run redhat and suse. Want to disable these guys? Remove some X libraries. (The one guy who uses CLI uses telnet) Yes they really have X on ALL of the servers. I unfortunately deal with similar situations often. It doesn't help that many enterprise software packages assume that the admin will install using a local GUI (*cough* Oracle *cough*). Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 11:59:18AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] FYI, *any* filesystem has the potential to lose data on a sudden power outage. Umm, no. I suppose you haven't worked in telecomm. I've supported file systems which never, ever, lost anything. If the system call came back, and said it was on disc, then it was. If power failed, then any writes in progress might not get committed, but no data scrambling could take place, even if the hardware scribbled on the disc. You can achieve the same thing with any decent filesystem. You just have put the hardware into writethrough instead of writeback and you also give up a lot of performance. It depends on what you need. What are you doing, making sweeping claims about every file system in the world, when you cannot possibly know everything about every file system? Except that there are conditions under which just about every filesystem will lose data. The amounts vary. The conditions vary. The results vary. However, no filesystem is so good that it will handle every single possible case. And every time I came back to ext3 where I can not remember such trouble. Well, as an anecdote of my own, I have used both XFS and ext3 quite extensively and found that they are equally as good, given *quality* hardware. A good FS should not suffer corruption regardless of what the hardware does, if we're talking *quality*, that is. I wouldn't say regardless. If the whole disk melts down, I would wager that there is going to be some corruption. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:07:23PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: OpenVMS used to be more popular with geeks than Unix was. But businesses and Universities decided that it was worth it to trade 2 slow-but-reliable VAXen for 10 fast-but-flaky Suns. Hmmm. Then they went from 10 fast-but-flaky Suns to 100 slow-and-disease-ridden generic PCs with Windows. I'd hate to think what is coming next :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 03:43:03PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: WTF, I see Windows mentality has become the norm. and RIP TelnetD (IOW the telnet Daemon) right out of the machine. OpenSSH (as done by OpenBSD devs) is what should be defacto standard. I wish it could really be that way everywhere. I have been places where they run telnetd on all the Solaris and Linux servers because (get this) windows only comes with a telnet client and not an ssh client. Absolutely. Exasperating. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Linux Interview Questions
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:51:17AM +0800, Bob wrote: If choice is our greatest asset (which it is) it's also the greatest hindrance to GNU/Linux adoption on the corporate desktop. Can you see an elegant way out of this paradox? I can see where choice can be perceived as a hinrance to the home desktop. But I don't see how that is the case for the corporate desktop. In most large enterprises, the users get little choice in their system's configuration (in terms of what software is available) and they have a full-time IT staff to babysit the machines. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Dell SC1435
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:25:00PM +0100, Martin Marcher wrote: Hello, does anyone have experience wether Edgy will work with the amd64 option of this Server? Why not ask on an Ubuntu list? If you meant Etch (I'm hoping you did), then yes Etch supports amd64 just fine. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Dell SC1435
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 05:07:57PM +0100, Martin Marcher wrote: OK, a little update from myself, I managed to get the installer running by disabling framebuffer and setting iommu=soft you can find the options with the help screens being smart i managed not to write it down and/or remember the value for the framebuffer. However, KEEP WAITING. it seems that for some reason it takes ages to find hardware etc. Also it's pausing for several seconds between screens (is that related to iommu=soft - I couldn't find an option to enable iommu in bios, google suggests that quite a few motherboards have that option). * Network configuration over dhcp works fine * but it doesn't find any disks. So after getting it to boot my nightmares came true and etch doesn't seem to support the disks. If there's something to know about please let me know :) after searching google a bit more without useful results i just tried to load all modules on the installer cd so I wouldn't miss anything. No go, disks aren't recognized /martin Out of curiousity, are you able to boot Knoppix (does it support amd64?) or another amd64 LiveCD distro? If so, you could do a chroot install. Though, I am not certain that you won't encounter the same trouble after installation. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:43:16AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I personally am a fan of XFS. However, it is also possible to use ext3 on large partitions, as you point out. At work, I have a production server (running RHEL, unfortunately) which is serving up a 6 TB Why unfortunately? Do Linux fans have to hate other distros as well as MS? Ever worked with RHEL or Fedora (or Red Hat before that)? They have their very own little RedHat-specific way of organizing /etc. Many of the things that they do go against pretty much every other distro (except for those which specifically try to emulate RedHat). I don't hate RHEL. I just hate some of the broken defaults. Additionally, they have *Enterprise* right in the name, but don't have out of the box support for any filesystem other than ext2/3 (except for maybe ReiserFS, but I would hardly call that enterprise quality). I currently have a server in production which (because of where it is located and the security policies of the organization/facility where it is located), must run RHEL3 or RHEL4. Before I rebuilt it using RHEL4, it was using RHEL3 to serve up three volumes from two external RAID trays via NFS. It had to be three different volume because under RHEL3, the biggest filesystem that could be supported out of the box was 2 TB (because of 2.4 kernel and some other userland utility limitations). I rebuilt that machine using RHEL4 so that the users would only need to access one volume. Since I knew that right off the bat it would a single volume of about 6 TB and that we would later want to add more storage, I went looking for the XFS or JFS packages on the install CDs. When I couldn't find them, I went into the #rhel channel and asked around in there if anyone knew why RHEL did not support XFS or JFS. The responses I got were along the line of, ext3 is fine for everything. To which I replied, what about for filesystems over 8 TB? Of course, the answer to that was build a cluster with GFS. Ordinarily, I would just get the sources to the kernel and the associated userland tools and build them myself. But, security at this place would simply not go for it. So, in short, they make the life of the admin exceptionally difficult if you want to do something which they (the RHEL designers/developers) did not think you would want to do. filesystem. I took to reading up on ext3 and judiciously set things like the block size and some of the other filesystem parameters so that crash recovery would not take ages and so that performance would be a bit better. Of course, since Debian supports both XFS and JFS quite Care to share your insights? Or at least pointers where one may obtain similar insights? Those of us who use ext3 would appreciate any distillation of the information. There is a ton of information about JFS and XFS on the net. All you need to do is check the Wikipedia filesystem comparison page or Google search for filesystem comparisons. The short of it is: ext3 - good general purpose FS (not the best performance, but stable) xfs - excellent performance with huge files and huge filesystems jfs - similar to XFS but I think it has better performance when under heavy I/O load reasierfs - good with lots small files and when you don't really value your data (not that well understood) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: suggestions for rugged portable computer
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:44:46PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I'm going to be travelling in semi-wilderness and would like to take a computer with me. Primarily for note-taking with vim, and when a Will you be travelling by vehicle (or by horse or otherwise mounted) or will you be on foot and having to carry everything yourself? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:01:00PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:43:16AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I personally am a fan of XFS. However, it is also possible to use ext3 on large partitions, as you point out. At work, I have a production server (running RHEL, unfortunately) which is serving up a 6 TB Why unfortunately? Do Linux fans have to hate other distros as well as MS? Ever worked with RHEL or Fedora (or Red Hat before that)? They have I don't run Debian. $ uname -a Linux Presario-1 2.6.10-1.771_FC2 #1 Mon Mar 28 00:50:14 EST 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux The first Linux I installed was Red Hat 6.something. I see. My first Linux install was RedHat 8. When a friend showed me Debian I knew that it was possible for things to make sense. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 10:42:45PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hi Roberto. Roberto C. Sanchez, 12.03.2007 21:07: There is a ton of information about JFS and XFS on the net. All you need to do is check the Wikipedia filesystem comparison page or Google search for filesystem comparisons. The short of it is: ext3 - good general purpose FS (not the best performance, but stable) xfs - excellent performance with huge files and huge filesystems jfs - similar to XFS but I think it has better performance when under heavy I/O load Could you define 'huge files' and 'huge filesystems'? Can you give me some numbers? At work we deal with files of size 1 GB to 100 GB on a regular basis. I would classify those as large. XFS supports files up to a size of 8 exabytes and filesystems also of size 8 exabytes. I am not sure of the limitations on JFS. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Partial Solution] Re: Can't run shorewall with kernel 2.6.20.2
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 09:00:06AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: That helped a bit. It appears that shorewall requires Ipv4 connection tracking enabled. Now shorewall comes up and seems to work except that dns requests from the firewall fail when it is enabled. (I can ping out by address but not by name) What are the contents of /etc/shorewall/policy? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:34:48PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hi Roberto. I see. I was asking since I have a whole drive full of videos and such which are usually between 100MB and 300MB per file. So I guess XFS would not really be the best choice for them. I got ext3 everywhere at the moment and wondered if I could get a bit more performance by using another filesystem. And since I only used ext3 up until now, I don???t really know which other filesystem to trust. I would certainly trust XFS. Of course, if you don't have your machine on an UPS, it can cause problems on a crash or power outage. How are your video files being used? Played locally? Streamed to one or two devices? Streamed to hundreds of devices? Unless you are streaming to many devices, it is likely that you are not yet hitting a bottleneck. As they say, if it ain't broke. That said, do you notice a particular performance problem? XFS supports files up to a size of 8 exabytes and filesystems also of size 8 exabytes. I am not sure of the limitations on JFS. OK, that seems only important for enterprise levels. I don???t think that I will reach these sizes at the moment. I read on Slashdot a while back that Seagate announced 37.5 TB drives will be available in a few years. Petabyte-sized home RAIDs won't be far off :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 05:49:55PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/12/07 17:15, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] At work we deal with files of size 1 GB to 100 GB on a regular basis. I would classify those as large. XFS supports files up to a size of 8 exabytes and filesystems also of size 8 exabytes. I am not sure of the limitations on JFS. I've read that XFS is very fragile during system crashes and easily loses the contents of files. It can. In flushing the buffers, it can start writing crap out to disk. This is because in the event of a power loss/fluctuation the SDRAM is the first thing to go usually. There was a very interesting post about it on the SGI XFS list from a few years back, but I can't seem to locate it at the moment. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Remember William Ballard? [WAS: Re: Sad... ]
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 08:19:34AM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: LOL. I hadn't even noticed he's from the evil empire. Now we know why he has a bad attitude ;) He somewhat reminds me of William Ballard? Anyone remember him? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: filename case
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 09:03:41AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/11/07 08:43, L.V.Gandhi wrote: When I copy files to vfat drives , filenames case is changed to lower case. Is there any way to keep them as they are ie FileName as FileName instead of filename or FILENAME as FILENAME instead of filename ? FAT is not case-sensitive. True, but it *is* case-preserving. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: restricting internet access for some users
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 04:07:54PM -0400, H.S. wrote: Hello, On a computer connected to a router, which in turn is connected to the internet (more or less constantly), how do I restrict some users from accessing the internet. The lan is actually in a small community office. A couple of computers are for the staff, but a third is set aside for a number of public users to use. It is running Ubuntu. I was asked how to restrict internet access from that computer (for example, users should be allowed to connect to the internet only during certain hours of a day) on a user by user basis. I am more familiar with Debian, hence the query here. Apparently, they want the administrator to have free access, but restricted access for other users on that computer. I believe that what you want is best implemented with some sort of authenticating proxy. I forget which ones are available, but IIRC, some of them support rulesets that are time-based and/or user-based. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: filename case
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 05:58:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/11/07 14:55, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 09:03:41AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/11/07 08:43, L.V.Gandhi wrote: When I copy files to vfat drives , filenames case is changed to lower case. Is there any way to keep them as they are ie FileName as FileName instead of filename or FILENAME as FILENAME instead of filename ? FAT is not case-sensitive. True, but it *is* case-preserving. I though that was only when MSFT did the 8.3 file-naming games. No. The converted 8.3 names are all caps. The long names are case-preserved as when they are created. The linux vfat driver has some option that disallows all-caps and so will sometimes convert filenames to all lower-case. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: SATA - How to access disk ???
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 08:15:37PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: The motherboard supports a SATA drive but on bootup there is no entry for it in /dev If I recompile the 2.6.18 kernel including the module Device Drivers/SCSI Device Support/Low Level SCSI Drivers/Serial ATA (SATA) support the /dev has an entry for SDA and SDA1 BUT during bootup irq is disabled and my dvdrw drive is very unhappy. Are you using Sarge, Etch or Sid? What kernel did you have before recompiling the 2.6.18? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Printer setup problem in Etch
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 08:31:16PM -0400, Bob C wrote:
I am wondering if there is something obvious I am missing or doing wrong
here? I realize Etch is a testing version of Debian, so could there be
some sort of bug?
There could always be some sort of bug. What does it say in
/var/log/cups/{access_log,error_log,page_log} when you try and print?
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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 09:58:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 12:21:38AM +0530, Siju George wrote: Hi, Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above 600GB? I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64. Hope there are no issues with this setup. please let me know if i should be careful in any area. Also if a better file system suits for such large partitions :-) There are a few comparisions out there but you need to look at the design philosophies in relation to your application. There have been some problems with ReiserFS (no references, but there were messages on debian-user a while ago). When I looked at this it came down to a choice between XFS and JFS. There have also been a lot of threads on this topic on debian-user in the past few months. Try wikipedia and google site:ibm.com I looked at it this way: JFS was designed by IBM for server (database) type filesystems so all their AIX boxes run JFS. Cray uses XFS for its compute stuff. IFRC neither journals the data (only metadata) so after a crash, the filesystem itself will be intact and a fast reboot is possible but there could be some data corruption. ext3 journals data as well as metadata but takes forever to regenerate after a crash and there can still be errors. I went from ext3 to reiser and having errors on power failure with both went to JFS and have had no problems since. YMMV. I personally am a fan of XFS. However, it is also possible to use ext3 on large partitions, as you point out. At work, I have a production server (running RHEL, unfortunately) which is serving up a 6 TB filesystem. I took to reading up on ext3 and judiciously set things like the block size and some of the other filesystem parameters so that crash recovery would not take ages and so that performance would be a bit better. Of course, since Debian supports both XFS and JFS quite nicely, I would opt for one of those. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Re: Printer setup problem in Etch
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 11:29:57PM -0400, Bob C wrote:
Hi Roberto,
There could always be some sort of bug. What does it say in
/var/log/cups/{access_log,error_log,page_log} when you try and print?
When I print a page from Openoffice I get this in the log files
c2d:/var/log/cups# tail -f error_log
(no messages)
c2d:/# tail -f /var/log/cups/access.log
localhost - - [11/Mar/2007:23:01:08 -0400] POST /printers/deskjet500
HTTP/1.1 200 11809 Print-Job successful-ok
c2d:/var/log/cups# tail -f page_log
(no messages)
When I try to print a test page from the CUPS program at
http://localhost:631
c2d:/var/log/cups# tail -f error_log
(no messages)
c2d:/# tail -f /var/log/cups/access.log
localhost - root [11/Mar/2007:23:17:58 -0400] GET /printers/ HTTP/1.1
200 0 - -
localhost - root [11/Mar/2007:23:17:58 -0400] GET /printers/ HTTP/1.1
200 6538 - -
localhost - root [11/Mar/2007:23:18:08 -0400]
GET /printers/deskjet500?op=print-test-page HTTP/1.1 200 0 - -
localhost - - [11/Mar/2007:23:18:08 -0400] POST /printers/deskjet500
HTTP/1.1 200 18606 Print-Job client-error-not-possiblelocalhost - root
[11/Mar/2007:23:18:08 -0400]
GET /printers/deskjet500?op=print-test-page HTTP/1.1 200 3371 - -
c2d:/var/log/cups# tail -f page_log
(no messages)
Just to be clear, printing from OOo works but the test page does not?
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Re: tzdata package for Sarge - Daylight Savings Change
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 07:50:20PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: I'd never suggest burying your head in the sand. tzdata was not available for Sarge. It was/is a recent addition. Which begs the question: Will we need to have the volatile repository in our sources.lst, and will it end up being an FAQ when Etch is out? First, the phrase begs the question indicates a form of logical fallacy. Your usage is not correct. Please read up: http://begthequestion.info/ Second, there is already an existing volatile repository which is used for things like updated spamassassin and clamav definitions, among other things. Third, Something like a change in daylight savings time is of sufficient importance that the stable release is updated in order to prevent breakages. Sarge got the updated late last year. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: LDAP Authentication problem
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 09:38:00AM +0100, Christoph Buchli wrote: Hi all, Roberto The configuration-file from my debian client looks exactly the same as the one from the suse-client... (Suse:/etc/ldap.conf = Debian:/etc/libnss-ldap.conf) Odd. On my system, here is what /etc/libnss-ldap.conf looks like: base dc=connexer,dc=com uri ldaps://santiago.connexer.com/ ldap_version 3 Then, my /etc/ldap/ldap.conf has this: BASEdc=connexer,dc=com URI ldaps://santiago.connexer.com TLS_CACERT /etc/ldap/cacert.pem Then, my /etc/nsswitch.conf has this: passwd: compat ldap group: compat ldap shadow: compat ldap hosts: files dns networks: files protocols: db files services: db files ethers: db files rpc:db files netgroup: nis Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Sad...
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 09:56:51PM +0100, Ben Humpert wrote: Well, then the debian guys should fix this decades old sarge installer - OR - merge it with the etch installer; it just takes some hours to do this. sata is already established enough to support it. its a shame to direct users to testing only to get sata support and to tell that it should be hidden from beginners. Well, if it only takes some hours you are more than welcome to do the work and submit the relevant patches to the Debian installer team. Of course, they will ask if you have tested this to make sure that it works on all 13 or so hardware architectures supported by Debian and whether you have tested for regressions. Once you get those two things ironed out (it should only take some hours), you should be good to go. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Sad...
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 10:03:04PM +0100, Ben Humpert wrote: really? thats funny cause a system doesn't get unstable only cause you add a new driver. its the same like creating the next stable version. the rules they follow are all self-made, there is no god or president who disallow some things so go and change the rules and update stable version. i dont ask for new huge implementations, im just asking for supporting the current hardware. Sarge was released around 21 months ago. It has excellent support for most hardware that was around at the time. If you want to use more recent hardware, you either need to get an unofficial installer with a more recent kernel or use the Etch installer. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can't run shorewall with kernel 2.6.20.2
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:21:09AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: distribution of Debian Debian unstable version of shorewall 3.2.9-1 version of iptables 1.3.6.0debian1-5 method by which kernel was built Vanilla kernel + software suspend + dsdt fixes (debian doesn't have 2.6.20.2 yet) I would start by checking the recent messages on the shorewall-users list. I seem to recall Tom Eastep mentioning some issues with 2.6.20 in relation to another user's mail. If it is not in the archives, then try following the directions here: http://shorewall.net/support.htm Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: testing distribution weekly builds--- which packages are where?
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:20:19AM -0600, Charles Blair wrote: Even using jigdo, it's taking me a long time to download the .iso images. Is there a list that tells me which image contains which package, so that (I hope) I only have to download some of the images? According to the Debian mirror list [0], you have a mirror there locally at UIUC: debian.cites.uiuc.edu /pub/debian/ /pub/debian/ amd64 hurd-i386 i386 ia64 powerpc sparc You should be able to get it really fast. Regards, -Roberto [0] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:21:35PM -1000, Al Eridani wrote: On 3/8/07, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Silly boy. I've been in the Air Force for 10 years. Ah, that explains everything. You are a prime example of the educated members of the Air Force. I would hardly call myself a prime example. There are plenty of people smarter than I around both within and without the military. What have you done for your country recently? I have not enlisted in the military. Congratulations. I hope that you enjoy the freedom to do that. BTW, that is precisely the reason why I am still in the military. So that people can *choose* to join or not join and enjoy their freedom either way. I am also well educated. Old aphorism: Tell me what you brag about and I'll tell you what you lack. I see. So by bragging about not enlisting in the military you are saying that you lack the desire do defend others' freedoms with your life? I'm sorry to hear that. It is a most rewarding feeling. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: 65535 outbound connections
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 01:43:20PM +0200, Atis wrote: On 3/9/07, Niklaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I could be wrong in the below description or might have misunderstood many of the concepts , please correct appropriately. 65535 ports can allowed . So on a machine namely C you can have max 65535 outbound connections There can be simultaneous connections to one port. For example apache's httpd - it listens port 80, does that mean, it can serve only one connection? nope. Once connection is established, it's forwarded to another thread, that have connection id, and processes it. There cannot be simultaneous connections to one port (at least under IPv4, not sure if such a thing is possible in IPv6). The way apache works, is that when it receives connection, it hands it off to a thread on another port. Just do a netstat (or a watch -n1 'netstat -ntp') to see it in action. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 10:20:35AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read this in several places. A quick google today shows various studies that show medicare efficiency at 2.1 - 6 %, compared to a range of 12 - 30 % for various private plans. There are also comments that the medicare numbers may be too optimistic, but I don't see anyone claiming that private plans are the more efficient. If I have time later I'll do a literature search, rather than try to slog through the google stuff to try and determine the best numbers. That would be good. I am geniunely interested to see how such numbers are computed. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 02:49:55PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8 Mar, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 09:14:53AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, our invasion of Iraq is much more likely to lead to a broader war in the Mideast than Saddam was. I have a real hard time believing that. The First Gulf War also proves your statement cannot possibly be true. Not at all. We (or at least I) were discussing conditions in 2003 or later, not 1990. They are quite different. They are not so different as you think. I'd think that someone in the military would at least be aware of concerns that the current situation may lead to a broader regional conflict between Sunni and Shia. It has certainly affected the balance of power in the region, with Iran being the big winner to date. The alternative (being inaction) had worse *long term* effects. Yes, in the short term this is painful (as change tends to be). However, in the *long term* it is for the better. BTW, the primary reason that Iran has been the big winner so far is because they see that the liberals are easily dissuaded. The constant rhetoric about setting a fixed timeline is doing far more to hurt than it is to help. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 03:33:08PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Brits were worried until we told them that the intelligence will be fixed around the policy, remember. And the reports which congress saw (both parties), were the fixed ones. Congress certainly could have questioned the intelligence; Correct. They *could* have but they chose not to. They have security clearances. They have the ability to hold closed-door and/or classified hearings. Yet they did not. there was some conflicting evidence available publicly that they should have been aware of. Such as? Some members of congress did state that they had reservations, but were voting for the resolution because Saddam Hussein would only respond to a threat that had teeth. That means one of two things: 1. There was, in fact, available contravening evidence which they ignored in the interestes of political expediency OR 2. There was no such evidence (or if there was it was not credible) In either case, they got what they asked for. Whether they actually thought that Bush would seek further authorization before invading is probably impossible to determine at this point. Please note the following excerpt from the authorization: The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to-- (1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and (2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq. SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES. (a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to-- (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq. First, many or all of the UN resolutions specifically authorized the use of military force in order to enforce compliance. Second, here is a little excerpt from UN Security Council resolution 1441: Recalling all its previous relevant resolutions, in particular its resolutions 661 (1990) of 6 August 1990, 678 (1990) of 29 November 1990, 686 (1991) of 2 March 1991, 687 (1991) of 3 April 1991, 688 (1991) of 5 April 1991, 707 (1991) of 15 August 1991, 715 (1991) of 11 October 1991, 986 (1995) of 14 April 1995, and 1284 (1999) of 17 December 1999, and all the relevant statements of its President, Recalling also its resolution 1382 (2001) of 29 November 2001 and its intention to implement it fully, ... 13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations; The point is that Iraq wanted its neighbors to think it had WMDs. It did so by denying access to the inspectors and failing to provide required documentation and insufficient documentation when it did. Saddam did a great job. He managed to convince everybody he had WMDs. Lastly, it's hardly liberal revisionist history, since some of the people who spoke out about the distorting of intelligence that was going on at the time were conservatives. Like whom? Regards, -Roberto [0] http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_lawsdocid=f:publ243.107 -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: 65535 outbound connections
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 10:00:20PM +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: Yes, there can be multiple connections to one port. Each connection is uniquely defined by local IP, local port, remote IP, remote port. So, you only can not have to connections between the same IPs and same ports, but if you change just one of those parameters, you can create one (unless your OS' connection table overflows) Quite right. My mistake. I was thinking in terms of the process. If the process doesn't go back to listening, then it can't make any new connections over that port. But, it can always fork or whatever another process or thread to take care of what just came in and then go back to listening for more connections. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 02:49:24PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/09/07 14:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Congress certainly could have questioned the intelligence; there was some conflicting evidence available publicly that they should have been aware of. Some members of congress did state that they had reservations, but were voting for the resolution because Saddam Hussein would only respond to a threat that had teeth. Whether they actually thought that Bush would seek further authorization before invading is probably impossible to determine at this point. It doesn't have teeth if you've got to go back *again* and ask for permission. Bypassing checks and balances just sets us up for tyranny. It already passed the checks and balances. Congress specifically authorized the use of military force in the original resolution. There was no need for Bush to go back and ask for permission again because he *already* had it. Please quit spreading disinformation. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can't run shorewall with kernel 2.6.20.2
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 05:00:34AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
I tried upgrading to kernel 2.6.20 and 2.6.20.2 but shorewall refuses to
start.
The only error I get is: (from /var/log/shorewall-init.log)
[...]
Shorewall configuration compiled to /var/lib/shorewall/.start
Starting Shorewall
Initializing...
Clearing Traffic Control/QOS
Deleting user chains...
iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
ERROR: Command /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state
ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT Failed
iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
/sbin/shorewall: line 531: 1991 Terminated ${VARDIR}/.start
$debugging start
Please provide the following:
distribution of Debian
version of shorewall
version of iptables
method by which kernel was built
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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 01:25:09PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: California privatized their electric system and completely raped all it's neighbor states with higher electric costs when they decided they weren't going to pay for electric at all on the much higher privatized prices. Californa did not privatize its electric system [0]: In summary, poorly structured deregulation which relied on active policing by the FERC led to situations where energy companies could manipulate the California energy market with near impunity and reap substantial profits at the expense of California energy consumers and the State. Most proponents of deregulation suggest that the major flaw of the deregulation scheme was that it was an incomplete deregulation -- that is, middleman utility distributors continued to be regulated and forced to charge fixed prices, and continued to have limited choice in terms of electricity providers. Other, less catastrophic energy deregulation schemes have generally deregulated utilities but kept the providers regulated, or deregulated both. Regards, -Roberto [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 06:53:14PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/07/07 17:11, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Umm, prior to WWI and WWII we had an isolationist bent. We waited for Except in the Americas (Monroe Doctrine, Haiti, Banana Wars) and the Philippines, which some wanted to make an American colony. Yeah. I think I mentioned that in a previous post. Though, to be fair, the period from 1900-1950 was considerably quiter than the periods before and after when it came to the Americas. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:33:43PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Umm, prior to WWI and WWII we had an isolationist bent. We waited for the problem to get to us. Personally, I am glad that Saddam was taken out before he could do something foolish and plunge the whole Middle East (and subsequently the *planet*) into war. If you support the war, prove it by joining the military. Put up or shut up. Silly boy. I've been in the Air Force for 10 years. I've been deployed overseas five times. What have you done for your country recently? Besides, not everyone in the military supports the war, nor does everyone who supports the war need to be in the military. BTW, I joined because I wanted to, not at gun point or by being drafted or under duress of any sort. I am also well educated. I serve so that *you* and your liberal buddies don't have to and can enjoy the luxury of debating these issues from the comfort of your livingroom or bedroom. The embargo against Cuba is an abberation. It is primarily driven by the very politically influential and financially powerful Cuban refugee community in the US. Trust me on this. Any politician with any sort of hopes in South Florida, has to be in favor of strengthening the embargo before anything else. Basically, the people who were forced to leave Cuba are taking out their anger against Castro and the manifestation of that is the embargo. Why are we letting people who came here on a floating door make our policy anyway? Cubans, generally arrive on rafts made of various materials, not necessarily doors :-) The reason is because they come here *legally*, they work, they pay taxes, they become citizens and they (get this) *vote* and participate in government. Any other brilliant questions? BTW, the Republicans did not cut revenues, they cut tax rates, which has an overall beneficial effect for the economy (even if it does cause revenues to go down in the short term). Yeah, to the tune of $500,000/yr per job created. Too bad almost all of those jobs ended up being poverty wage shit jobs. Would have been nice if they came out and said that was their plan so everybody could clearly see how insane it was before voting... Care to provide a citation? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 09:14:53AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, our invasion of Iraq is much more likely to lead to a broader war in the Mideast than Saddam was. I have a real hard time believing that. The First Gulf War also proves your statement cannot possibly be true. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 07:59:36PM -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Was Java in danger because Imperial Germany invaded France? Not while Sun was holding so tightly to it. ;-] Sorry, what does Japan have to do with this :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:34:25PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: So what benefit does spending almost half the budget on military and the rest on corporate welfare bring us? You mean more like 17% [0] of the budget on military? However, I do agree that corporate welfare is wrong and should be stopped. Regards, -Roberto [0] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Fbs_us_fy2007.png -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:25:38PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8 Mar, Freddy Freeloader wrote: response to sick patients? The first is impossible as they already have 100% of the market, the second already a problem they are aren't responding to now. I've heard that the Canadian government is trying to address the delays in the system, which are, IIRC, mostly for elective procedures. I have no idea how well they're succeeding. Well, IIRC, the Canadian healthcare system classifies many things which are generally not considered to be elective as elective procedures (like total hip replacement). Someone else already posted the numbers in this thread, but IIRC the average wait is like 4 weeks in the US and 18 or 24 months in Canada. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 01:41:57PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Yes, because the government is a model of efficiency. Come on. The simplest stratedy is to not tax people so much and let them figure it out for themselves. Fail. That leaves about 7% of the population, almost 47 million people, without health coverage of any kind whatsoever. The government's job is *not* to be a nanny. We are not in agreement. Collective, governmnet-run healthcare is a necessity in Iraq because they currently lack a functioning market economy. We have one of those. Barely. Since Bush came into office, Oregon has seen unemployed discouraged rates approaching 25%. Pardon me while I scoff. I *definitely* have to see some credible source citation for that before I believe it. In fact, we have arguably one of the best in the world. It would be a colossal screw up to introduce socialized medicine here. That would be why Luxembourg and Norway have higher GDPs, right? GDP: Luxembourg - $34.18 billion Norway - $296.01 billion US - $13.22 trillion Hmm, looks like US GDP is two to three orders of magnitude higher. OK, I will assume that you really meant per capita and forgot it. GDP *per capita*: Luxembourg - $80,288 Norway - $64,193 US - $44,333 All that shows is that a smaller economy can be made to operate more efficiently. Nothing more. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 01:31:49PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Not exactly a scapegoat when he's the one in charge and responsible for the well-being of his subordinates (staff and patients alike in this case). More like rightly placed blame for not taking care of the problem sooner. He's not the only one who should loose their job over that. Of course, you have no idea if the guy had been working his tail off anf actually improving things the whole time he was in the job. *That* is the problem with scapegoating, unless the individual directly contributed to the problem, in which case he is not a scapegoat. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:42:24PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While government bureaucracies may in general be wasteful, medicare is currently more efficient than any private plan. I'm not sure that the free market guarantees the best results for products or services which are not truly commodities, and I place health care in this category. You keep saying that. Please provide a source. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:35:30PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 10:44:54AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: As long as we're controlling it, and calling it our model project, we really should be asking questions like Why are we giving more to them than we get ourselves? If it's good enough to build a nation, it's good enough to keep ours strong. It's good for them but not for us (are you ready for it?): BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A FUNCTIONING ECONOMY! Neither do we this decade! Since Bush took office, some parts of the country have seen unemployed+discouraged rates shooting past where they were in the great depression! Right. Because record low unemployment, rising wages and growing GDP are signposts of a non-functional economy? BTW, that is the second time you have made the claim of high unemployment rates. Please provide a source. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 09:35:57AM +0100, steef wrote: yeah. first bomb them down on false premises and lies and then tell them: o jeez: you cannot do it without us: you have no functioning economy. Ummm, the premises were not false. The Brits had the same intelligence and came to the same conclusion. The Democrats saw the same reports as the Republicans and they *nearly all* agreed with Bush. The false premsises thing is liberal revisionist history. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 01:47:12PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: The instruction by Jesus to turn the other cheek was directed at individuals. Paul lays out the guidelines for government in Romans 13 and in other places as well. It is the responsibility of rulers to look after their people. There are many comparisons made with a shepher protecting his flock against attacking wolves. In that case, if the shepherd does nothing, he has failed in his duties. There's a basic concept you're missing here: That also describes society. Government is society's sheppard. You are the one missing the concept. What you say is exactly *why* it is wrong for the government to turn the entire country's other cheek instead of defending the nation and/or retaliating. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 07:18:40AM -0800, Freddy Freeloader wrote: Any Christian who turns his back on someone else who is greatly in need of being protected, in any way, is not following the teachings of the Bible. No Christian should be a namby pamby, I cannot physically defend anyone because I'm a pacifist. If they are they most certainly are not following the example set by Jesus and the patriarchs of old. Agreed. Many people do not realize that pacifism is in fact unscriptural. David used to pray and ask for help before battles and God would give him the strategies he used in the battles to defeat Isreal's enemies. If warfare was against the principles of the Bible then God would have never helped David in war. It would have been against His very nature and His own commandments. Excellent point. Also, very few people realize that the very first recorded war was fought in heaven, not on earth. The devil rebelled against the government of God along with 1/3 of the angels and it took open warfare to kick him out of heaven. The Bible specifically mentions this war. That is found in Revelation 12:7. The Bible also says God makes war. That is found in Revelation 19:11. The Bible defends goodness, justice, right, etc... and realizes that in an imperfect world that there are those who will refuse to honor those principles, and that war is sometimes necessary so that innocent people may live and tyrants and evil may be stopped from harming more people. That lesson is taught throughout the Bible. War is rarely just, but there are just wars. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Politics and other non-Debian ramblings
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 09:26:08AM -0500, Curt Howland wrote: Democracy _sucks_. It makes all problems worse and solves nothing. Good thing the US isn't a Democracy. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:06:41PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Public transit was known in only a few cities, mostly the bigger and more densely populated. Like most people live in today, which is why I keep making that comparison. Right, but those are (in the grand scheme of things) usually fairly new cities which grew up after cars became popular. So, the cities started out small and wanted to attract people to drive into the downtown areas to spend mony and/or work there. Viola - the current situation. I like living in a region where it's nigh impossible to get a building permit in rural areas for anything other than agribusiness. It's rather selfish of people to think we should have to pay higher taxes to maintain greater wear on rural roads, blight productive or scenic land and breathe more air pollution just so someone can have a super-long commute to the city instead of just taking a vacation. Well, on this we are not in agreement :-) I take it you prefer endless suburbanization of rural areas? If so, Los Angeles might be right for you... Not really. I prefer that people not be told what they can and can't do with their property. I understand that zoning is necessary. However, if you are so concerned about people building up the rural areas, you are more than welcome to buy up rural property yourself and not let anyone build on it. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 09:08:17AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP historical description of public transortation Public transportation is not the entire answer, but it does serve a purpose. Many people in this area use public transit some days, and drive some days, depending on their schedule. You are right that I was not aware of the complete history. You are also right that public transportation can help. However, in many places, the lack of *ubiquitous* public transportation dramatically degrades its usefulness. Of course, ubiquity costs money. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Partition greater than 2 Tbyte
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 08:12:17AM +0100, Jon Ingason wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez skrev: On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 04:52:12PM +0100, Jon Ingason wrote: What is the physical limit for a diskpartition in kernel 2.6? I think the kernel has a logical limit. The physical limit is determined by your hardware. OK then, what is the logical limit? I have disk array with 14x500 GB disks with hardware raid 6. That i about 7 TB. Can the kernel handle that large filesystem and how do I do? IIRC, ext3 has an 8 TB or 16 TB limit (depending on the options at FS creation time). Also, xfs has a limit in the petabyte range and has hugely better performance on very large filesystems. IBM's JFS is similar to XFS. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: LDAP Authentication problem
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 07:46:22PM +0100, Christoph Buchli wrote: Goals: I have an LDAP-server which works (a SUSE-Client is able to authenticate on this server...). The server requires SSL/TLS to connect... My ambition is now to connect from my freshly installed Debian-Etch client to this server and to authenticate (using libnss-ldap) on it. It's been a long time since I setup a machine as an LDAP client from scratch. Have you tried locating the corresponding files on your existing client and duplicating the setup from that? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 08:42:02PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Living proof. I almost ended up joining the military after my job hunt last year was stretching into it's sixth and final month. I would feel a bit more positive about joining the military if I wasn't guaranteed to get shipped off to be a pawn in failed foreign policy or fighting to protect oil industry profit margins. Since I'm not stupid and I have an education, I know I can do better for myself practically anywhere else in government or the private sector making the military an option only when destitution is the other option. See, now aren't you glad that there *are* educated and intelligent people who join our military so that you can spout off that nonsense? You are exactly the sort of person who shoul *not* be in the military. That is like people who become school teachers because they have no other choice. They do more harm than good. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 02:41:39AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Also, in the defense of the US and British intelligence agencies it isn't like Saddam didn't give them a reason to think he was currently in possession of WMD. He was playing a delicate balancing act. On the one hand he was telling the West that he didn't have them while playing like he did to keep the other regimes that were eying Iraq at bay. It turns out we in the West believed him at his games. The simple fact is the price of acting on those suspicions and being wrong (there were no WMD) was far less costly than ignoring them and finding out they were true (there were WMD). This is why there is all this revisionism going on in the media and on the left. They hate feeling like they got played. Saddam played the whole world. He got what he deserved. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
