Re: qmail compatible MUA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I am looking at using qmail as a replacement for smail/sendmail. I am using now on a sun workstation for testing, and it seems to work fine. My question is does anyone know of a reader that can access the maildir files (that is the qmail-preferred way of storing mail)? Right now I must use mailfile format for the MUA's that I have. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Charlie I believe this topic is covered in the file named INSTALL.mbox in the qmail source. Setting MAIL=$HOME/Mailbox; export MAIL does the trick for me (I'm using elm, BTW). Ron -- Ron Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera, Inc. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Will Caldera's WABI run on a Debian system?
[At the risk of being flamed for having a non-Debian discussion here...] Shaya Potter writes: What I remember reading was that WABI actually was able to run more windows apps if you installed windows and ran the apps through it, then if you would run the apps directly from WABI. No, that's not true. However, what doesn't make sense to me about this approach is how can it run windows. Windows, from my understanding, interacts on a very low level with dos, and WABI isn't a pc emulator, it justs emulates window system calls. Wabi doesn't run the KERNEL, GDI and USER DLLs. You are correct, these work at a very low level. Wabi provides emulation for these APIs. It still requires MS Windows install disks unconditionally at install time. Wabi uses various other components from MS Windows such as the OLE DLLs, applets, fonts, help files and various utilities such as the program manager and file manager. Of course the most important thing it requires is Solitaire. If you would like to discuss this furthur, please join us on the Caldera Wabi email list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Ron -- Ron Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera, Inc. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Will Caldera's WABI run on a Debian system?
Rick Macdonald writes: Does anybody know if Caldera's WABI will run on a Debian system? Caldera's web page kind of says maybe. In short, yes, it does run. I've run Wabi 2.2 on Debian 1.1. The only serious problem I've found is that the default permissions on /dev/fd0 don't allow access by regular users. Wabi requires the installation of MS Windows 3.1 and this is often done via floppy while running as a regular user. Just change permissions on /dev/fd0 to work around this problem. There is a document entitled Installing Wabi for Linux on Non-Caldera Platforms on the Wabi CDROM. An updated version with some Debian-specific information can be found at: http://www.caldera.com/wabi/ We included Wabi in .tgz format to facilitate it's installation on non-Caldera platforms. Officially, Wabi is only supported on Caldera platforms, but so far most people have reported success with installing Wabi on other Linux distributions. This subject has been discussed on the Caldera Wabi User's email list. You can join this list by running: echo subscribe caldera-wabi | mail -s [EMAIL PROTECTED] The two major incompatibilities that have been reported so far are with Metrolink's MetroX X server (version 3.1.2). Wabi causes their server to hang. They know about the problem and are working on it. The other problem reported is that Wabi will not run with the Motif window manager (mwm). I'm tempted to pay the $200 just so I can run Quicken without booting up DOS/Windows. The certified version of Quicken that runs on Wabi is version 4.0. I don't think 5.0 will run. Quicken 4.0 works fine. I haven't checked for awhile, but I assume that WINE is still a long ways away. I couldn't tolerate having my Quicken files corrupted! Wine has come a long ways in the last three years that I've been following it. But it has still has a long way to go to match the millions of dollars Sun has had to invest to get Wabi where it is now... Ron -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Will Caldera's WABI run on a Debian system?
Bruce Perens writes: From: Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] By the by, for reasons that are mostly, but not entirely, technical, Caldera will no longer be basin their OS on RedHat linux. They purchased Linux FT ans will base their next release (Caldera Open Linux or COL) on that. The sales rep I spoke with was unsure as to what package format they would be using. Maybe Bruce and Ian should give them a call? Actually, our next release, Caldera OpenLinux (COL) 1.0 is based primarily on LST's distribution. Some Linux FT technology such as POSIX certification is being integrated into COL. COL currently uses RPM. Nevertheless, we have several Debian fans here at Caldera. If Debian 1.0 was out when we we're making distribution decisions, we might have used it. There's a lot of history and backwards compatibility issues now that keep us on our current Linux distribution course. I am in regular correspondence with LaserMoon. They are interested enough in Debian that they run a few Debian systems. That says nothing about their commercial plans, which they have not disclosed to me, and which of course I wouldn't publish without their permission. Who have you been talking to? Ian Nandhra? He works for Caldera. I think WINE is a technically superior approach to WABI, and I hope the availability of WABI doesn't impede WINE's progress. Why? Wine's approach is quite similar to Wabi's. Anyway, we too would like to see Wine move forward. When it can support the apps that Wabi supports, we won't have to pay Sun a royalty anymore... Until then, Linux users now have the option of purchasing Wabi for Linux. Back when Caldera was a project inside Novell, we were quite hopeful that we could use Wine instead of Wabi. I wrote the (now outdated) Docs/Resources.Z file included in the Wine source. In addition, our group at Novell paid an outside consulting firm lotsa bucks to accelerate the development of Wine. This firm didn't make a lot of progress and in any case, Novell dumped the work they did into the bit bucket. I believe we also bought Bob Amstadt a disk drive for his Wine development machine. Later, we convinced Ray Noorda to buy Willows Software. They've also made progress but still can't run all the apps Wabi can. Anyway, after three years I can look back and see the progress that the Wine group has made. I hope they keep up the good work. But Sun has spent millions of dollars over the last 6 years to get Wabi to its current level of functionality. I feel many people still don't realize the difficulty in cloning MS Windows. But I digress... Ron -- Ron Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera, Inc. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Will Caldera's WABI run on a Debian system?
Bruce Perens writes: From: Ron Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Perens writes: I think WINE is a technically superior approach to WABI, and I hope the availability of WABI doesn't impede WINE's progress. Why? Wine's approach is quite similar to Wabi's. I'd heard that WABI was usually run with some MS components - in fact you installed Windows into it, although perhaps only to get some desktop stuff like the file browser. Am I mistaken? WINE comes with its own versions of the desktop tools. Wabi 1.x was MS free if I remember. Quite a bit of work went into writing replacements for the program manager, file manager, etc. But here's the way Sun explains their current approach: Q: Why must Microsoft Windows be installed with Wabi 2.x? A: SunSoft requires users to install Microsoft Windows with Wabi 2.x to ensure that all of the certified applications will execute properly in the Wabi environment. Some of the applications certified to run under Wabi require the presence of certain Dynamically Linked Libraries (DLLs) that no longer ship with the applications themselves. Instead, such applications rely on DLLs provided by Microsoft Windows. To meet our customer requirements, SunSoft has chosen to invest its engineering resources in improving performance and creating new functionality for Wabi rather than replicating all of the DLLs in MS Windows. This decision has enabled the Wabi development team to concentrate on delivering a high quality product and will permit ongoing development to focus on new features and enhancements. Please note that although the applets (accessory programs) that ship with Microsoft Windows will run under Wabi, the presence of MS Windows does not otherwise affect the number of applications that are able to run under Wabi. The difficulty in cloning OLE 2.0 was one of the main reasons for now requiring MS Windows. Ron -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
