Re: mirror follow symlinks? (Will be: I feel so stupid now)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (joost witteveen) writes: How do I mirror hamm-only, so that mirror actually gets the files of the packages that still reside in bo, rather than only the symlinks to them? This works for me: $ mirror-master /etc/mirror/mm/Hamm where /etc/mirror/mm/hamm -- home=/etc/mirror # add a -n for testing as usual mirror=mirror -p$package /etc/mirror/packages/$site 21 /dev/null #mirror=mirror -n -p$package /etc/mirror/packages/$site # mirror these if last (successful) mirroring was at least 0h ago Hamm:Hamm-main 0 0 Hamm:Hamm-contrib 0 0 Hamm:Hamm-non-free 0 0 Hamm:Hamm-non-US 0 0 /etc/mirror/mm/hamm -- and /etc/mirror/packages/hamm -- package=Hamm-main site=ftp.debian.org remote_dir=/ac121/linux/distributions/debian/hamm/hamm/binary-i386 local_dir=/archive/mirror/hamm/main flags_recursive=-lRaL package=Hamm-contrib site=ftp.debian.org remote_dir=/ac121/linux/distributions/debian/hamm/contrib/binary-i386 local_dir=/archive/mirror/hamm/contrib flags_recursive=-lRaL package=Hamm-non-free site=ftp.debian.org remote_dir=/ac121/linux/distributions/debian/hamm/non-free/binary-i386 local_dir=/archive/mirror/hamm/non-free flags_recursive=-lRaL package=Hamm-non-US site=non-us.debian.org remote_dir=/pub/debian-non-US/hamm/binary-i386/ local_dir=/archive/mirror/hamm/non-US/ flags_recursive=-lRaL /etc/mirror/packages/hamm -- - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Nedit hangs system
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 28 Jan, D W Wieboldt let loose with: Has anybody seen this? I have reasonably up to date hamm on a stinkpad 560. Installed nedit_5.0-3.deb. Invoking nedit works fine but then nothing works! Clearly un-acceptable. Just like using windoze; the only recourse is to hit the power switch! Same here, except I am on a P166 desktop... BTW, this happens under different window managers -- enlightenment and windowmaker. Perhaps this is caused by NEdit (in Hamm) being linked with Lesstif (the free Motif clone). Lesstif is still not fully compatible with Motif. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape communicator helper applications and bash
Jan Weytjens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The error is in the shell command communicator tries to run with sh: ((/usr/bin/acroread /tmp/MOsomething.pdf); rm /tmp/MOsomething.pdf) where MOsomething.pdf is a temporary file in the /tmp directory. The problem is the (mis)matching of the parentheses. When run in an xterm window, I get the same error message. Apparently, the problem is with bash (/bin/sh is a link to /bin/bash) which complains about about the following syntax: ((echo A); echo B) Interestingly, at work we use bash on both SGI and Sun workstations. bash on Sun does have the same problem, while bash on SGI doesn't. Is there a clean solution? Upgrade or downgrade Bash. This problem is specific to the 2.00 version in 1.3. The error occurs because bash parses the first two parenthesis as part of a (( )) construction (which has a special meaning). Wether this is an error or a feature is a subject of discussion, but the problem dissappears in version 2.01 - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Star Office, Latin 2 and many more
Bostjan Jerko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) I tried to install old version of Star Office (the only one I have), but I get error message, that I am missing libXm.so.2 ? This is the Motif library (version 2.*). Lesstif cannot replace it (yet). You must get yourself a version of StarOffice that is statically linked against Motif (or buy the Motif libraries). - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Parallel port patches
Alex Maneu Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have downloaded from the internet some patches for my parallel port. The objective is to finally use the printer and the Zip drive, but not at the same time. Basically I have 2 questions: 1) How should I install these patches and then configure it all to finally be able to print? Find out which kernelversion the patches are made for. Download the official kernel sources from ftp.kernel.org. You cannot use the kernel source provided by Debian, because they may already contain some patches. Unpak the kernel source into /usr/local/src. This should create the directory /usr/local/src/linux. Enter this directory and type the command: patch -p0 some-path/patchfile Now you are ready to compile the kernel. I suggest you install the Debian package kernel-package. This package contains scripts that allow you to easily compile the kernel into a ready-to-install kernel-image.deb package. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Perl problem
Karl Abrams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am having an annoying perl problem. Whenever I run a perl script I get a set of error messages. Perl runs but the messages clutter the screen. I just installed debian 1.3 from CD and then ran dselect. The packages perl 5.003.07-10, perl-suid 5.003.07-10 wg15-locale 2-5 are installed. The error messages are: ~17% perl perl: warning: Setting locale failed for the categories: LC_CTYPE LC_COLLATE perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LC_ALL = (unset), LC_CTYPE = (unset), LC_COLLATE = (unset), LANG = us are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the C locale. Can anyone tell me what I must do to eliminate these messages? type unset LANG (or put it in /etc/profile) I don't know if this is the Right Thing, but it works. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian and Windoze 95
David E. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sten Anderson wrote: I disagree. Loadlin is perfect in this case. ... Sten, Does this mean that Loadlin can boot linux when it's in another partition? Yes! In this case, you will copy the kernel to the DOS/Win partition, and use a command like: c:\loadlin\loadlin.exe c:\loadlin\vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb3 ro vga=7 I had thought its main use was to allow Linux to boot from a dos subdirectory /linux. Only in the sense thast the kernel must reside on a dos partition. The rest of Linux can reside anywhere else. In my case, running Win95B with FAT32, I understand Linux would not support running in that file system. Am I incorrect? Linux cannot run in FAT32, nor can it read or write FAT32 (at least not without a patch). But Linux in an ext2fs partition can be booted by Loadlin in a FAT32 partition (if you copy the kernel to that partition - perhaps via a floppy). - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Afterstep blues
Maarten Boekhold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Difference between the computers: I use xdm, he doesn't, When using xdm, the relevent file is ~/.xsession When using startx, the relevant file is ~/.xinitrc - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X and the ATI All-In-Wonder 4MB card
Robert LaGrasse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The ATI card is a member of the Mach64 family, and has the Rage II + DVD chipset on board. I've attempted to install the xserver-Mach64 server on my machine. dselect puts me into the xf86config program, and I plug in the parameters which correspond to my system. I don't know much about your ATI card, but I suggest that you install the xserver-vga16 package and run the program XF86Setup. It usually does a better job than xf86config. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Req: kernel panic during install boot
Fred Handloser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, is there a way to write the boot screen information to a logfile. Most of the information has scrolled off the screen by the time I get the kernel panic. The messages are written to /var/log/messages. Also try dmesg - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Lilo revisited
I have recently recieved a question about Lilo in a private email (perhaps caused by my postings to this list). I belive the answer may be of value to others, so I will repost it here. This will also give experts a chance to flame me for spreading misinformation if I have gotten everything wrong :) Question: A while back I was having trouble with lilo not recognizing my drive properly. I overcame this by using the linear option in the lilo.conf. would this do the same thing to overcome the need for requiring the kernel to reside in the first 1024 cylinders? Answer: I believe the answer is no. Lilo depends on the BIOS to load the kernel (and other files in /boot). If the BIOS cannot acces the location on the drive there is nothing Lilo can do about it, and no linear option can change that. The linear option is used for a slightly different purpose. Lilo needs to know the exact physical location of the files in a format understandable by the BIOS, i.e. as sector/head/cylinder. It obtains this information by recording the linear adress of the files and then quering the kernel for the disk geometry parameters in order to translate the linear location into the sector/head/cylinder format. This may fail occasionally on large disks because the disk parameters obtained from the kernel query may be wrong. The kernel retrives these parameters directly from the device. However, the BIOS may use some implicit translation of sector/head/cylinder adresses in order to overcome the large disk problem. This implicit translation is invisible to the kernel, as the kernel never queries the BIOS. Thus the disk geometry reported by the kernel is incompatible with the disk geometry reported (and used) by the BIOS. A solution to this problem is to use the linear option. This causes Lilo not to query the kernel for the disk parameters. Instead Lilo records the linear physical location of the files, and performs the translation at boot-time by quering the BIOS for the disk parameters during boot. The situation is therefore this: - Some BIOSes cannot acces the upper part of a large disk if the disk reports geometry parameters with more than 1024 sectors. In this case the solution is to partition the disk carefully and place boot files on a partition below the 1024 sectors. - Some BIOSes can handle disks that report a disk geometry above 1024 sectors. These BIOSes uses translation to fool everyone into thinking the disk has less than 1024 sectors. In this case the boot files can be placed anywhere on the disk, but it is necessary to use the linear option to make Lilo aware of this translation. - Some newer large disks perform this implicit translation themselves, and thus reports a geometry to the BIOS and the kernel with less than 1024 sectors. In this case the BIOS can access the entire disk and Lilo operates perfectly with or without the linear option. Drives with this capability are usually referred to as LBA drives (logical block addressing). Conclusion: Always use the linear option. If it works everything is fine. If it doesn't work you must resort to the partitioning trick. Note however, that the linear option should not be used on floppies or together with the compact option (which is only useful on floppies). - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problems with 80386 and 4 MB of RAM
Fabian Knittel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: boot=/dev/hda3 root=/dev/hda3 compact install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map vga=normal delay=20 image=/vmlinuz label=Linux read-only A shoot in the dark: Try putting the root line after the image line. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: large drives with linux / LBA
rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because the motherboard is an old VESA thing (as is the IDE controller) I am worried that it's BIOS won't support LBA. if this is the case will it be a problem? is there something that i can do to get around this? am i going to have to upgrade the motherboard to something newer? Linux doesn't have a problem with this setup. Linux doesn't use BIOS functions, thus Linux can easily access the entire drive. Lilo - the bootloader - might have problems. Lilo uses BIOS functions to load the kernel from the disk, thus the kernel must reside on a physical location on the disk that is reachable by BIOS functions, i.e. within the first N sectors (N=1024 IIRC). This is easily obtained by partitioning the disk and putting the kernel on the first partition. The rest of the Linux installation can reside anywhere on the disk. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: subscribe
Sven Garbade [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1. First, the Linux Loader LILO doesn't work correctly.
# LILO configuration file
#
# Start LILO global section
lock
boot = /dev/hda
Try boot=/dev/hda2
You can get the old MBR back with fdisk /MBR (the fdisk from DOS)
Partition table (fdisk):
Disk /dev/hda: 64 heads, 63 sectors, 1023 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 4032 * 512 bytes
Device Boot BeginStart End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 *11 204 411232+ 6 DOS 16-bit =32M
/dev/hda2 205 205 1022 16490885 Extended
/dev/hda5 * 205 205 24582624+ 83 Linux native
^
|
Only one partition should be active. With my above suggestion, it
should be hda2
2. I've installed XEmacs. The keys Backspace and Delete work both as
Backspace.
I'd like it, that Delete works as Control-D (^D).
Try M-x load-library delbackspace, or insert (load delbackspace) in ~/.emacs
- Sten Anderson
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with the word subscribe in the body.
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Re: subscribe
Rick Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sten Anderson wrote: Sven Garbade [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. First, the Linux Loader LILO doesn't work correctly. # LILO configuration file # # Start LILO global section lock boot = /dev/hda Try boot=/dev/hda2 You can get the old MBR back with fdisk /MBR (the fdisk from DOS) Partition table (fdisk): Disk /dev/hda: 64 heads, 63 sectors, 1023 cylinders Units = cylinders of 4032 * 512 bytes Device Boot BeginStart End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 *11 204 411232+ 6 DOS 16-bit =32M /dev/hda2 205 205 1022 16490885 Extended /dev/hda5 * 205 205 24582624+ 83 Linux native ^ | Only one partition should be active. With my above suggestion, it should be hda2 Also. Maybe this is a typo or something, but your /dev/hda2 and /dev/hda5 seem to be ocupying the same area of the disk. That is not a typo. The extended partition _includes_ the logical partitions. Here is a print of my _working_ disk layout (from linux fdisk) /dev/hda111 261 20964516 DOS 16-bit =32M /dev/hda2 * 262 262 524 2112547+ 5 Extended /dev/hda5 262 262 27072261 82 Linux swap /dev/hda6 271 271 524 2040223+ 83 Linux native I have lilo in the bootsector of /dev/hda2 (an extended partition). Not to mention you are wanting to make an extended partion bootable *not* the linux partition. That is the correct way to do it according to the Lilo manual. You cannot put lilo in the bootsector of a logical partion. In that case lilo must reside in the bootsector of the enclosing extended partition. Looks to me like your partition table is hosed up. Your cfdisk printout doesn't even show /dev/hda2. boot=/dev/hda is correct if lilo is in the boot sector not the partition. You are mixing the concepts. /dev/hda is the MBR, not a bootsector. Lilo can reside in the MBR, but the Lilo manual warns against it. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: subscribe
Rick Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're 100% right. I would, however, assume it means a Linux extended (type 85) partition not a DOS extended partition (type 5). Now I am confused. What is the difference? Just a heads up, since I can't find the doc I read it in, that I read someplace, long time ago, might not even apply any more, that it isn't a good idea to make your root file system an extended partition. I assumed this refered to extended partitions not being bootable, but I'm fuzzy on the subject. Evidently fuzzy on a lot of things today. When you say make root FS an extended partition you really mean a logical partition dont you? (You cannot put a filesystem on an extended partition). I also vaguely remember debates on this issue. IIRC the conclusion was that to Linux there is no difference. All Linux needs to know is where the partitions begins and ends. The distinction between logical and physical partitions only matters to the bootloader (and hey, it works for me!). There is an issue on the bootable thing though. A physical partition can be maded bootable, but not a logical partion. In that case you need to use the bootsector for the extended partition. I don't understand why anybody would want to put a *Linux* *primary* partition inside a *DOS* *extended* partition anyway. The idea sends me some real negitive vibs. Maybe totally unfounded. If there's some advantage to this could somebody let me know what it is? I may find a need for a similar setup in the future. The only reason to use extended partitions is that most OS's don't like more than 4 partitions. Like I said above, Linux doesn't care if the partitions are logical or physical. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Lilo howto install it?
Ivan Rojas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well the thing is I tryed creating a small partition in the first HD ( 50Mb ) to install LILO in there. I select the LILO package in dselect but seems that is not being installed. I created a lilo.conf file and didn't work either. All you need to do is to run the program /sbin/lilo. This will write the bootloader to the bootsector as specified in /etc/lilo.conf. Every time you edit lilo.conf or move the kernel on the disk you need to rerun this program. The reason this is not done at the time the lilo package is installed is that it is slightly dangerous. If the lilo.conf file is wrong the result could be an unbootable system. Therefore check the lilo.conf carefully before running /sbin/lilo. Also have a bootdisk ready just in case. cat _your-kernel_ /dev/fd0 makes a primitive bootdisk (the Debian rescue disk is also usable). You could also write the bootloader to the bootsector of a floppy in order to test your boot configuration (use boot=/dev/fd0 in lilo.conf). - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: lilo with multiple kernels/partitions
Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what kind of entry do I need to add to lilo.conf to get lilo to boot a alternate kernel located on a Zip disk? I can use a custom boot floppy and mount the Zip disk (/dev/sda1) as root but it would be simpler if I didn't need the floppy... one less disk to misplace ;-) If your BIOS is able to acces the zip drive, you should be able to treat it as any other drive. Mount the zip drive and insert: image=path/vmlinuz.alt the new alternative kernel label=alternative root=/dev/sdc7 your root partition read-only in lilo.conf - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] ~/.xinitrc is not being read
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 14, 1998 at 03:05:04PM -0500, Vladislav Papayan x285 wrote: I use now xdm to login into the system -- however it seems like my ~/.xinitrc is being ignored. .xinitrc is used for startx, and .xsession is used for xdm logins. I symlink them together here for convenience. I believe that the .xsession script must also be executable. The first line in the script should be #! /bin/sh, then do chmod +x .xsession (or do this to .xinitrc if you use the symlink method) - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why /floppy -- why not /mnt/fd or something?
Peter Prohaska [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all! Please dont flamme me for that unimportant question. But I was wondering, why `/dev/fd*'s are mounted at /floppy. When reading fsstnd, you would expect them to be mounted in /mnt/someting. Since /floppy is neither one of those un*x shorties nor used during installation I can't see why it lives on the root. As you probably know it is not mandatory to use that mount point - you can mount a floppy wherever you like. I think it is a matter of convenience and tradition. /floppy is also used on many other unix installations. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian 1.2x ldso upgrades
John S. Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having problems upgrading libc5, xlib6 and ldso using dpkg I get; ** Setting up ldso (1.8.12-1) ... ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so (No such file or directory), skipping ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so (No such file or directory), skipping ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/libXp.so (No such file or directory), skipping ** I feel like I am in a loop here, as the package map says that the above libraries are in xlib6, which is asking for ldso This is not an error (at least not a serious one). I think ldso is installed just fine (check with dpkg -s ldso). After installation the program ldconfig is run, and this program gives you the warnings. This is a very common warning. It usually means that you have symlinks in /usr/X11R6/lib to libraries that are not present. These symlinks should of course have been removed when the libs were removed, in any case you can ignore the warning (unless of course that you depend on these libs, but you don't). - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Clean hamm installation
Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Maarten Boekhold wrote: I noticed that the hamm/main/disks-i386/current directory points to bo/disks-i386/current. Does this mean that I can install a clean libc6 system using those install disks? Or would a better approach be to install a minimal bo system and then upgrade? Base disks are in the works. In the mean time, install bo first and upgrade (I'd suggest trying the script). There is no need to install the entire Bo dist. Install only the Bo base system using the base floppies. At the end of the installation process dselect is started. Quit immediately, and do a manual bo-hamm upgrade of the base system (by using the script or the howto). When then the base system is upgraded to libc6 you can start dselect again and point it to the hamm dist. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Lilo howto install it?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Try man lilo.conf Did you read /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/LILO.gz ? Or even better: Read the Lilo User Guide. It resides in /usr/doc/lilo. Unfortunately only as latex source. gunzip all files in the directory and type make. That should generate user.dvi and tech.dvi. If you prefer postscript try dvips user.dvi -o - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Lilo ?
Ian Keith Setford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have Debian running fine on my first hard drive (/dev/hda) and I wish to add another disk and install Win95 on it (bummer). My DOS/Windows boot disks will not allow me to install Win on the second drive(/dev/hdc). Error message says, Remove NTFS or Disk cache...before continuing. The drive is formatted for DOS and is empty so I am at a loss. Swap the disks. This way Win95 gets the primary disk as it likes. Debian can easily live on the secondary disk. The only problem is to configure the booting. I suggest that you copy your kernel to a FAT floppy before swapping the disks. Also copy loadlin.exe to the floppy. Now swap the disks and install win95. You should now be able to boot back to Debian from a dos-prompt with something like: a:\loadlin.exe a:\wmlinuz root=/dev/hdc2 ro As the last step you should reconfigure LILO to give you a proper dualboot setup. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Install without floppies
Brian Schramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have an older 486 machine that the floppy side is dead in. I have a sound blaster cd and sound card in it. That will not boot a cd and the only OS I have on it is Slackware. I would like to put Debian on it so I have the same system on all my machines. Plus I like it better. Stan said somting about booting to the floppy image copied to the Slackware partition using Lilo. I would like to have more details on this. If anyone can help please let me know. In the location: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/stable/disks-i386/current/ or on the CD you will find a document instal.htm. That document explains how to install Debian without a bootdisk. Unfortunately it only says howto boot the installation process with Loadlin (a DOS thing). To start the installation with LILO, you should add this section to your /etc/lilo.conf (and rerun LILO): image=/somewhere/linux label=debian root=/dev/ram initrd=/somewhere/root.bin read-only Note: I am not a LILO expert, and I haven't tested the above! The files linux and root.bin are available at the above mentioned site (or on the CD). You will also need to copy the file drv1440.bin to the harddisk. The installation process should be able to read the base system from the CD-rom. If that is not the case, then this file (base1_3.tgz) can also be copied to the harddisk before installation. This file should of course _not_ be copied to one of the partions where you intend to install Debian. If you are short of unused partitions you can disable swap and format the swap partition for this use. I hope this gets you started. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: socks 5 debian module?
William R Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know why there isn't a socks5 debian module in hamm? I compiled it myself and have it in /usr/local but would rather have it installed properly... Are you talking about the version from NEC? That implementation does not operate well with a libc6 based system. I have managed to patch it so that runsocks works with most programs. But some programs still segfaults (eg. dselect). If you have been more succesfull than me, I would like to see your patches. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian and Windoze 95
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 11, 1998 at 10:08:09PM +0200, Catalin Popescu wrote: A friend of mine has a hard-disk of 1.2Gb with 2 partions: /dev/hda1, /dev/hda2. On /dev/hda1 he has Win'95. Is there any problems with booting if I help him to insatll Debian 1.3.1 on /dev/hda2 and try to boot it with loadlin. I'd suggest you use lilo instead of loadlin. I disagree. Loadlin is perfect in this case. It is very easy to use, and it cannot damage the system in any way because it doesn't touch the MBR or the bootsectors. LILO - on the other hand - is more difficult to set up correctly, and if used incorrectly, LILO can leave the system in an unbootable state that is difficult to repair. Although LILO is - technically - a better solution in the general case, it should not be applied before reading the LILO user guide and the HOWTO's concerning dualbooting of Windows and Linux. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Quick Question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, BRIAN SCHRAMM wrote: I have a Slackware 2.0 system that has no capability of running a floppy or booting from the CD-ROM (Sound Blaster Pro16). I would like to update it to the newest (1.3) Debian release that I have so my main machine and my server (this machine) has the same system. Keeping in mind that I cannot boot off of anything but the hard drive (SCSI) how do I start the install? I do not have DOS on this machine at all. Hi Brian! AFAIK you need at least a bootable floppy drive *OR* a bootable CD-ROM drive (such a thing is common in newer PCs) to install Debian GNU/Linux. No, Debian can be installed without CD or floppy. All it requires is that you can boot a kernel and a ramdisk. With DOS, you could use Loadlin for that purpose. If you already have a Slackware installation, I guess you could configure LILO to boot the contents of the bootdisk from your harddrive. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian setup w/HP LJ6 and MagicFilter
Randy Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have a configured printcap entry and/or /etc/magic file configured for a Hewlett-Packard LaserJet 6L printer and MagicFilter? Use the script 'magicfilterconfig', and select the driver 'ljet4'. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Really dumb question...
Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Dec 19, 1997 at 07:28:44PM -0500, DebianUser wrote: Really dumb question; I keep looking for Debians kernel to package tools and cant find it... Ahm, what exactly are you looking for? I think he is looking for the tools to automatically create a kernel-image...deb from the original kernel sources. If that is the case, they are in the package named kernel-package (section misc). - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Colours with Lynx
Will Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, if anyone could tell me where lynx get's it's default startup page, /etc/lynx.cfg - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape 4.04
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So please just tell the name of the file at ftp.netscape.com including the path to the directory it is in. If the file needs to be renamed please tell me that also. The file is communicator-v404-export.x86-unknown-linux2.0.tar.gz which is available at ftp://ftp.netscape.com in the directory /pub/communicator/4.04/shipping/english/unix/linux20/base_install/ No renaming is necessary. It works for me... - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: HAMM kernel-source OK with libc5 BO?
Rick Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it OK to install the unstable (HAMM) kernel source (2.0.32) with my stable (BO) 1.3.1.r6 system, It should work just fine. or should I just get the original source tar file and use that? I would recommend this option. Unpack it to a temporary location, and use the tools in the package 'kernel-package' to compile the sources directly into a kernel-image package (and optionally a kernel-source package). It is actually very easy. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problems with Cron
Pedro Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. New entries that I add to /etc/crontab are ignored. I edited the file and included the line 0 8,12,16 * * * /usr/bin/fetchmail -f /home/sanchez/.fetchmailrc However this is never executed. Other than editing this file, is there something else that I have to do? As you probably can see from the other lines in /etc/crontab, the system crontab should also include a username - usually root, but in this case sanchez. The line should thus read: 0 8,12,16 * * * sanchez /usr/bin/fetchmail -f /home/sanchez/.fetchmailrc 2. User crontab files are also ignored. I use crontab -e to create the files and I've tried with and without /var/spool/cron/allow (with valid user entries). I am clueless here, I can only say it should work. Make sure you are user sanchez, and not root when executing crontab -e. The user crontab should not include the username, thus inserting the line: * * * * * fetchmail with crontab -e, should check every minute (maybe overkill, but good for debugging). Try to look at the file /var/log/syslog to see what cron does when (tip: type tail -f /var/log/syslog as root). Try also crontab -l (as user sanchez again) to check that the crontab was really changed. Try also deleting the files /var/spool/cron/allow and /var/spool/cron/deny - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xdm....HELP!!!!!!???????
Alan Su [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian V Bonini wrote (Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:28:59 -0500 ): |What I need to do is somehow stop xdm at boot up (I'm booting Linux from a |floppy) so I can get access to the console as root and delete the |.xsession file that resides in /root. Please HELP |Thanks |-Brian, ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | Why don't you just log in with your user account and su to or even login as root? You can also wait for the X server to start up and then hit Ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a console... I could add to this that in order to stop xdm from starting up at boot time, you need to edit the file /etc/X11/config (as root). Change the line start-xdm to no-start-xdm. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Need help in X Windows installation
Tommy Lakofski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: whoops, this should have gone to the list too. -- Forwarded message -- On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote: [ I said: ] It is NOT necessary for the last command to be started with exec. In fact, exec should only be used on the window manager, and only if that is the last command in .xinitrc. The problem is more likely the use of 's. Every program started in .xinitrc should have appended EXCEPT the window manager. Doesn't a /bin/sh stick around if you don't use exec? Or did that change at some point? I think I put exec in my .xsession before the windowmanager when I first installed debian (buzz) to make the /bin/sh go away, and it's been there ever since. Yes, by using exec to launch a command from a script, the process associated with the script (/bin/sh) is replaced by the process associated with the command. This saves a few system resources, since the script process is not laying sleeping in the background for no purpose. The program pstree is an excellent tool to see the effect of this. However, the improvement of performance by this is barely measurable. I am simply arguing that while it is generally a good idea to uses exec, it is not that important, and certainly not required. In fact it might give you some unexpected effects, if exec is used on anything else than the last command in a script. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dselect
Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how to install packages with dselect, via floppy disks? I know I have to include the packages themselves, .dep files, right? But I think I need to add soemthing else cause I get some errors, I need to add like a packages header or something, any ideas? The first floppy must contain a Packages file, but you really don't want to do it this way. If you must add packages to your system via floppy disk, use dpkg and install them one at a time. Strictly speaking, dselect doesn't need a Packages file. dselect can get this information by scanning a directory with packages, if a Packages file is unavailable. If your get your distribution from floppies, it is most likely incomplete (that would require a lot of floppies), thus the Packages file from the distribution does not coreespond to the packages you have. I recommend that you first copy all your packages to a directory on the harddisk, and then let dselect scan this directory. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Need help in X Windows installation
Alan Su [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel Martin at cush wrote (Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:34:52 -0500 ): |Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | The window manager should always be last too. Specifically, the last | command should not end in , but it's most useful if that's the window | manager. You could make it xclock or something, but then you'd | have to kill the clock somehow to logout. | |Depends - most window managers will send a message to all active X |clients when they exit that causes them to shut down. | I don't think this is right...I've fiddled a lot with window managers, and I switch them ``mid-flight'' quite a bit. (Since I have an xterm as the final exec'd command, killing my window manager doesn't end my x session.) If what you're saying is true, every time I switch window managers, all my windows would die, effectively ending the session. Needless to say, this doesn't happen. It depends entirely of the window manager. WindowMaker, for example, has two exit options: exit... and exit session This way it is optional whether all X clients should be killed or not. It is correct that if you kill a window manager manually (kill pid), it should not kill other X clients (except perhaps it children). - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Need help in X Windows installation
Alan Su [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there something wrong with using exec on an xterm, rather than a window manager? I'm currently doing that which makes the duration of an x session depend on the xterm rather than the window manager (which is what I prefer), and I haven't run into any problems. Am I doing something inherently bad? No, there is nothing wrong with that. It is a very common setup, and especially useful if the window manager is unstable. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Need help in X Windows installation
Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These messages do not indicate a fatal error, only that you haven't installed these X extensions. If you're using your own .xinitrc, are you sure that the last command uses 'exec' rather than just running a program? This would cause the X server to immediately exit. It is NOT necessary for the last command to be started with exec. In fact, exec should only be used on the window manager, and only if that is the last command in .xinitrc. The problem is more likely the use of 's. Every program started in .xinitrc should have appended EXCEPT the window manager. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problem installing Debian 1.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gianluca Ryo Trimarchi writes: Few days ago I've installed my new hd (conner 1080mb) in my computer.= It's splitted in three partions: 1 primary (dos fat 16) e 2 logical for linux = That's the problem-^ When You install debian (or most other distributions), you must remove these pseudo-partitions as only DOS understands them. Are you saying that linux can't handle logical partitions? I am currently running linux on logical partitions, so I gues I have proven you wrong. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: multiple X sessions problem
E Papantoniou [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: my problem is that I cannot run more than one X server at the same time. When I am logged in as a user one and run startx on display :0.0, I do Ctrl-Alt-F2, log in as a user two and type startx -- :1.0 The second X server attempts to start (the gray default background appears) and gets stuck at that point. Going back to the Ctrl-Alt-F2 screen the erron message is : AUDIT ...(time and date)... 2144 X:client 1 rejected from local host Xlib: connection to :1.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorised to connect to server Does anybody know what can be done? This may be caused by X' authentication scheme. X can use authentication to ensure that only the user in front of the console have acces to the display (otherwise anyone on the net might start apps on your display). Debian uses authentication by default, but this can be disabled. Unfortunately for you, I can't tell you how - you will have to browse the man pages. For a start you can try to circumvent it with ln -s /home/user/.Xauthority /root/.Xauthority. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: MAJOR PROBLEM!
Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: runs it on a Debian system, I will try to answer questions about it). Is there any central repository for archieves of all the different mailing lists/newsgroups related to linux? See: http://www.ssc.com/linux/resources/lists.html It is probably not complete, but is is a start. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Unidentified subject!
Subject: Re: emacs and .Xdefaults References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Sten Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 05 Dec 1997 12:17:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: Gilbert Laycock's message of 05 Dec 1997 10:43:07 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lines: 55 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.52/XEmacs 20.2 Gilbert Laycock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kirk == Kirk Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kirk I just made a new installation of bo, and emacs no longer seems to Kirk read my ~/.Xdefaults file like it used to in rex. Shouldn't it be called ~/.Xresources ? Yes Personally I have the two filenames symbolic linked together, because some X installations I use seem to like one and some like the other. Debian seems to only use .Xresources. Debians preferences can be revealed by reading the file /etc/X11/Xsession Here are the relevant parts: ## sysresources=/etc/X11/Xresources usrresources=$HOME/.Xresources ## if [ -f $sysresources ] then xrdb -merge $sysresources fi ## if grep -q ^allow-user-resources /etc/X11/config then if [ -f $usrresources ] then xrdb -merge $usrresources fi fi ## I have seen some installations of X that distinguish between the two names, along the lines of ~/.Xdefaults will completely override the system wide xrdb settings whereas ~/.Xresources will be merged with the system ones. (Or was it the other way around?) This doesn't apply to Debian - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How are .Xdefaults files handled under Debian?
Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I added the line: xterm.scrollBar: true In a .Xdefaults file to turn on scrollbars automatically on xterms, but X seemed to ignore this. How does Debian deal with Xdefaults? In Debian, the file .Xdefaults should be renamed to .Xresources. This file is then evaluated every time you login (if you have the line allow-user-resources in /etc/X11/config). You can also run the command xrdb -merge .Xdefaults (or .Xresources) to update your resources manually without login out and in. And where can I read about these things? A good place to start reading is the manual page for xdm. This manual page tells you what happens in which order, and where the configuration files are located. Most of xdm's behaviour is determined by scripts, and these scripts are actually readable. And if you don't like man pages, I highly recommend installing tkman. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian Logo
George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Got to thinking that it might look a little better with blue lettering rather than red. Red bird, blue eye, blue lettering. Does not take any additional colors and adds a little contrast or something. You are right - blue text is better than red. But why use text at all? Why not just let the penguin be the the logo? Then it can be used with or without text, depending on the context. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Needed Documentation
Chris Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm looking for a flowchart or something that describes the boot sequence in detail... haven't found anything like that yet. I'm a newbie to Linux, installed my first two systems this past weekend and have tons to learn. I know the PC inside out and am comfortable with OS's in general, have witten my share of x86 assembly and DOS tsr's. I have no idea what happens during the kernel bootup, initialization and the starting of processes. Mainly looking for which process invokes what, and how and where control is passed around during system startup. For a general introduction to the topic, you should read the excellent book: The Linux System Administrators' Guide by Lars Wirzenius (who is also a Debian developer!) http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~wirzeniu/linux/sag/ The book is part of the Linux Documentation Project http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/ Secondly, I'm looking for a breif but complete listing bash and external commands. The man page for bashis obligatory reading. Its rather long, so i recommend man -t bash bash-manual.ps - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: simple questions
Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Dana M. Epp wrote: Hi Clay. 1) Yes, Debian can co-exist with Win95. Using something called LILO( Linux Loader ), it can become your boot manager, which will allow you boot multiple OS's. In my experience this works, but not nicely. You have to install Win95 first, and when it gets itselft all screwed up you can't reinstall it without scrapping your master boot record again, which I'm sure is a real pain if not a castrophe. I've also found (though it probably should have been obvious) that letting Win95 automagically reboot whill mess up your MBR to where you have to go in with a rescue disk. When it asks you if you want to reboot after you add a driver or something, say no. As for my DOS partition, I have to go and run DOS fdisk to get to that, and I know this could be done better, but perhaps not with Win95 on the same system. Anyone got their setup working better? Perhaps you should boot into W95/DOS and leave it to loadlin to boot Linux. That way you can safely leave your MBR in the hands of W95. Of course you should always have a bootdisk ready, just in case W95 for some reason becomes unbootable. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Heck, Debian is POPULAR!
Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Polls are cool, but when you get 100 messages on debian-user between midnight and 2 P.M. (California time) you have to figure that there's somebody using the software. Just out of curiosity: How many subscribers are there to this list? - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [DEBIAN] Problem on filtering messages from the list
Marcus Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May I suggest all subscribers of this Debian list use some convention in sending messages to the list? I found it very difficult to differentiate between the messages from this Debian list and those from other lists. I used to sort it by the To field of the message, but later I found out there are messages arrived at my INBOX that are not sent TO the official list address debian-user@lists.debian.org. Sometimes these messages are TO some other Debian or Linux list addresses but other times they are TO a person. This makes me feel puzzled. But maybe I join the list for a short time only. So could someone tell me what should I do to properly sort those messages from THIS Debian list? Could we simply use a convention in the message Subject field, like what I saw someone's doing (like the one in THIS message)? It would be stupid to enforce restrictions like that on the messages. Your sorting problems should be solved in another way. I suggest you sort by the resent field. All messages in this list contain the header: Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: user questions
Torsten Hilbrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sten Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A third proposal: 3) Write a Debian Novice Guide (lets get rid of that ugly n... word!), and make this guide a frequent posting to this list. Take a look at http://www.linuxpress.com/debuser.htm I havn't read the document yet but it calls itself The Debian Linux User's Guide. It is available in printed form with ISBN 0-9659575-0-0. I have read it, and it is an excellent and highly recommneded book. But my intension was not a book, but a short 1 or 2 page document providing pointers to, amongst other things, this book. I imagine something like a META-RTFM. A short (regularly updated) document saying where all those fine manuals are. It could be a frequent posting to this list, or be an initial posting to all new subscribers. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problem Installing Debian Linux
Rob Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello tried to install Debian the other nite. I have partitioned my drive 750-250Mbs for debian on the 250Mbs I boot the rescue disk and it starts install then it reaches this error message Probing PCI hardware Warning unknown PCI device (1039:5107) please read include/linux/pci.h As i have not installed it yet i cannot read this file.. The file is not exactly overloaded with comments. Practically the only useful comment is a description of how to report new devices (shown below). A simple search in the file revealed this section: #define PCI_VENDOR_ID_SI0x1039 #define PCI_DEVICE_ID_SI_6201 0x0001 #define PCI_DEVICE_ID_SI_6202 0x0002 #define PCI_DEVICE_ID_SI_6205 0x0205 #define PCI_DEVICE_ID_SI_5030x0008 #define PCI_DEVICE_ID_SI_5010x0406 #define PCI_DEVICE_ID_SI_4960x0496 #define PCI_DEVICE_ID_SI_6010x0601 #define PCI_DEVICE_ID_SI_5511 0x5511 #define PCI_DEVICE_ID_SI_5513 0x5513 My guess is that one of Silicon Integrated System PCI to ISA bridge Silicon Integrated System Pentium(r) to PCI bridge (original) is currently unsupported (the mysterious 5107). Perhaps you should post your problem to comp.os.linux.development.system That is apparently where the kernel hackers hang out, when they are not busy writing PCI drivers. - Sten Anderson /* PROCEDURE TO REPORT NEW PCI DEVICES * We are trying to collect information on new PCI devices, using * the standard PCI identification procedure. If some warning is * displayed at boot time, please report * - /proc/pci * - your exact hardware description. Try to find out *which device is unknown. It may be you mainboard chipset. *PCI-CPU bridge or PCI-ISA bridge. * - If you can't find the actual information in your hardware *booklet, try to read the references of the chip on the board. * - Send all that to [EMAIL PROTECTED], *and I'll add your device to the list as soon as possible * * BEFORE you send a mail, please check the latest linux releases * to be sure it has not been recently added. * *Thanks * Frederic Potter. */ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: user questions
Will Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I like to read and answer questions on both -devel and -user. But since (i think) most newbie questions have been answered 500 times already (why else would we call them newbie questions?) what we need is a way to direct people to these answers without me having to retype them all the time. Two solutions: 1) more/bigger FAQs. Positive side: easy to use. Negative side: pain in the butt to keep track of/update. No, we don't need Yet Another FAQ. A lot of the problems experienced by novices are not Debian specific, and are probably covered in another FAQ somewhere else. What we need is pointers like: there is an excellent XFree86 FAQ at http:// ... 2) a way to search the mail archives. Just about every question I've ever wanted answered about debian is someplace in the mail archives. The problem is that to find information, you're restricted to reading them indexed by month, and searching through them by scanning headers (or using netscape's 'find' on the headers). If it was possible to do a regexp search on the mail archives, a newbie could enter a search for configure x and get a billion documents on how to configure x. A search engine is a brilliant idea! Positive side: lots of information for free, already in electronic form. Negative side(s): increased load on servers (probably not a difficult search to write, though). Also, the information is presented in a somewhat colloquial (and flame-ridden) form. I haven't seen many flames on this list (this is not Usenet). A third proposal: 3) Write a Debian Novice Guide (lets get rid of that ugly n... word!), and make this guide a frequent posting to this list. This guide should include pointers to all the information available to a Debian user. Examples: * Existing FAQ's on all the component of a Debian system (X, XFree86, bash, kernel modules, ppp, etc.). * Official websites (linux.org, debian.org, LDP, etc.) * Educational websites (http://www.gaijin.com/X/, LDP again etc.) * An introduction this list - what it is, and how to use it. I am imagining something like the Welcome to comp.unix.questions [Frequent posting], that appear once a week in the (quess which) group. Recommendations of good Usenet groups. * Most importantly: A list of all the information available on the Debian system. This includes the man pages of course, especially how to use them efficiently, and which pages are obligatory reading (X(1), bash(1), etc). Important docs in /usr/doc. Info in /var/lib/dpkg, and where to read more about dpkg. The existence of useful configuration scripts in /usr/sbin. The manuals in the info system (and how to read them). The guide should explain that Linux is just a free Unix, and therefore an introductory book on Unix or shell scripts is just as valuable as any - existing or non-existing - Debian Users Guide Now, there is only left to wait and see if anyone takes up the stick and write the dam'n thing... Dont expect me to write it, I am a novice myself - a few weeks with Debian after a few months with Redhat. (Maybe that will cheer up those that were depressed by the initial posting in this thread.) - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Annoying Newbie Questions...
Andrew Akins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone direct me to a newbie FAQ or manual/guide to using (not installing) X? There are probably hundreds of pages on the web, so altavista might be a good starting point. My bookmarks contain the following recommended sites: http://www.rahul.net/kenton/xsites.html http://www.inria.fr/koala/jml/xres/xres.html http://www.gaijin.com/X/ I imagine my questions are pretty rote, and I'm sure someone has written them down somewhere...but all of the HOWTOs and such that I have found are on installing X (which is done! Yeah!). Installation is probably the worst part, the rest is just playing around :) An example: When I start emacs, it starts up with it's title bar off the screen (off the top). Can I set its default geometry somewhere so I don't have to type the geometry stuff every time I want to use emacs? You can specify such default options in your ~/.Xdefaults file. System wide settings would go into /etc/X11/Xdefaults Examples of such setting are: XTerm*geometry:120x40 Emacs*EmacsFrame.geometry: 153x61+0+0 XDvi*paper: a4 XPat.geometry: 840x600+150+50 (the *'s are wildcards) Some resources are standard for all X apps, (e.g. geometry) and some are application specific. The man page for the application usually lists the available resources. You can also find the default resources in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/. Read these for inspiration, but don't edit them, edit the above mentioned files instead. After editing your ~/.Xdefaults file, it might be necessary to type xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults for the changes to take effect. I'm VERY new to Linux/UNIX - I've been a windows user for a great many years. Any book (in print or online) and/or guides, FAQs, would be helpful. Thanks. man X reveals a very good introduction to the topic. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: user questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From a recent posting on comp.os.linux.setup: Support from the Debian list was practically non-existant. One reply came on the mailing list in response to a question: not very helpful. This guy dumped Debian in favor of Red Hat. When I see questions about Debian in the newsgroups I usually email an offer of help. Often the only help I can offer is the suggestion to ask on debian-user. Often the response is I tried that but nobody answered me. Maybe debian-newbie is needed after all? A list only for us newbies would result in a lot of questions and no answers. We need a list that is read both by newbies and experienced users. The best chance of an answer is probably to post the questions to one of the developer lists, if that is where the experts are hiding. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xdm problems...
Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 13 Nov 1997, Ben Pfaff wrote: You can turn off this security by typing `xhost +localhost' at an xterm prompt; thenceforth during that X session any user on the local computer will be able to run clients. hmm.. I'll try that, maybe that will temperary fix my problem with running root programs while another user is using the display. Another workaround is: cp /home/USER/.Xauthority /root/ This will copy the users auth-cookie to root, and thus allow root to run X applications. However, the procedure must be repeated every time a new cookie is generated, i.e. every time the user logs in. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X server setup under 1.3.1 (Matrox Mystique + Sony 200sx)
Alan D. Brunelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have just loaded 1.3.1 onto my system at home which has a Matrox Mystique (220 w/ 4MB RAM) plus a Sony 200sx (17 multiscan monitor). I ^^^ In the current version, there is only support for Mystique 170. :-( Se the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/README.MGA for details. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
